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I was amazed this morning watching Channel 7 news as Attorney General Holder showed such disrespect for Mr. Labrador. And then to say," ... in Idaho or where ever you are from..." Wow, I dont have a big opinion on Fast and Furious but after that display of disrespect I think he should be fired not resign
Sad passing of an era.....RIP
http://www.ktvb.com/news/Micron-CEO-Stev...
http://www.ktvb.com/news/Micron-CEO-Stev...
If only more of our politicians would pay attention and actually DO something besides run their mouths and line their own pockets year after year...
Here is an example of one of them actually backing up their rhetoric with actions!
Labrador for President!!!!!!!
http://www.ktvb.com/news/Labrador-gives-...
However the State's allocation to teacher salaries pans out in the end, the only thing certain to happen is that if the State decreases money to the Districts, the Districts will cut/freeze salary or cut teaching positions/programs to meet the budget crunch.
On the other hand, if the State increases allocation to Districts for teacher salaries, Districts will look for any other legal way to use the money before any teacher sees a dime of it.
There may also be a semantical smokescreen being employed with State "Teacher Salary" percent increases. Our SDE could claim that the money is being targeted for "Pay for Performance" programs...as such, they are telling the truth that the funds are set for Teacher Salaries. However; if you ask any teacher what they have to do as individuals to earn a bonus, I don't think you'll get an answer that makes sense.
Your original statement: "Teachers pay cuts from last year will be reinstated. They took a 2.83% cut and will see a 3% return (per the State Dept. of Education, yesterday) for the 2012/2013 budget year."
Your attempt to spin and excuse that misleading statement:
I did state it was for the 2012/2013 budget...never said it was approved---just indicated what was asked for."
Asked for? You said,
"WILL SEE a 3% return Per the State Department of Education."
Now you're starting to sound like the Recreation District you admire so much.
The legislature, and the governor, are a long way from being sold on, let alone approving, Luna's budget. The governor wants to backfill rainy day funds instead of restoring that pay. Those are a couple of very good reasons (not "no good reason") why that pay may very well not be restored, as opposed to your erroneous claim that it 'will be restored.' You don't know that, nor does the 'contact' at SDE, any more than any of us who can watch the process play out.
No one needs your email of the budget or proposals, it's all online.
Here is how it went for Luna at the legislature Thursday:
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/201...
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/201...
Uh and FYI Observer...most folks out there realize that this is the budget proposal and that nothing has been approved yet (it is all over the news afterall). Once again, I did state it was for the 2012/2013 budget...never said it was approved---just indicated what was asked for.The State Dept. of Ed. does not seem to feel that the pay matter will be in issue (as stated in this phone call). They seem to have support for at least this portion of the proposed budget.
Per my call to the Dept. of Ed and the information that was provided to me by that office via email, there is no reason why that pay will not be reinstated. So, before you tell me I am being less than factual, perhaps you should call them yourself and do some research. I do realize that this is the PROPOSED budget request and that it has not been approved---I just reported what was requested and what that agency reported to me when I inquired. Would you like my contact information or a copy of that email?
Speaking of the "need to be informed based on facts and data---not what someone tells us," you forgot to include the fact that resoring the teacher pay losses of last year are only Luna's request in his budget, were only presented to the legislature this week as a request, and that request faces a serious uphill battle getting approved in this legislature. Stating as you did that teachers "will see a 3% return (per the State Dept. of Education, yesterday) for the 2012/2013 budget year" is not factual.
Thank you. I hope that people will attend these meetings. If we are really concerned about the future of education in this community, we need to be informed based on facts and data---not what someone tells us. I hope people will attend these meetings and give some good feedback.
Very well said and written OM
I liked what you wrote Opinion Missy. good for you
Re: the MHSD and (maybe) propsed levy, etc.:
Union dues are indeed paid by the teachers and IA's employed by the MHSD. Tax dollars do NOT pay those dues...tax dollars do however pay for the pay raises, etc. negotiated by the union.
As far as the people who come on here to piss and moan about the MHSD and how money is spent, I have this to say---
I went to the meeting last night on how to get a levy passed for the money "needed" for the MHSD. I was NOT invited to sit in this room but elected to do so, on my own so that I would know, first hand, what in the heck is going on.
40-45 people were asked to sit on this "board of citizens." The MHSD, Mr. Gilbert to be more specific, told me last night that they asked senior citizens, people who are "anti" MHSD/bond/levy/more taxes, school employees, etc. to participate. Of those people asked (face to face mind you and through direct contact by the MHSD) very few attended/took part/showed up---who were specifically contacted.
Last night at that meeting, there were 25-26 people present (not including Mr. Gilbert, Mr. McMurtrey and the MHSD Budget & Finance guru). Of that, many were MHSD employees (teachers, head of maintenance, coaches, etc.).
If you are really and truly concerned about what is going on with the MHSD and how your money is being spent, YOU should attend the meetings. I was encouraged to speak at this meeting and my questions were answered. Even more important, while it was fairly clear that I was one of the most "anti-education" or "naysayers" (naysayer was a word used last night at the meeting by a person at this meeting), my questions were answered and in a respectful manner (mutual respect mind you by myself as well as the MHSD employees).
If you choose (and it is a choice) to not be involved, then you have no reason/standing to complain. They are asking for input. If you choose not to attend and be informed then do not complain when another levy is approved and you do not like how that money is being spent.
I heart my boys, I do not think that the MHSD is playing up the problems with these buildings such as a leaky roof (many of them to be more specific) and I really did not intend to come across in that manner. I just find the timing of all this to be very suspect. Cuts need to be made. Enrollment is down and times are tough. They propose cuts with very vague language. Will these cuts really be made? The way some of the proposed "cuts" read as of last night, in my opinion, they will not be made.
I had a very interesting post meeting conversation with Mr. Gilbert last night. He was very straight forward. IMHO, 10,000 more "concerned citizens" need to have a similar conversation with him or a member of the MHSD Administration (I would skip the MH School Board myself, they do not want to hear from the public---in my persoanl experience).
So, if you do not attend these meetings, you probably should not really say anything. Because by not attending these meetings, you are a part of the problem and not the solution.
My 2 cents.
Next meeting is at the Mountain Home Public Library on February 9, 2012 at 6:00 P.M. Do your own research and be informed.
On a side note, I spent 1 hour on the phone yesterday with the State Dept. of Education. Teachers pay cuts from last year will be reinstated. They took a 2.83% cut and will see a 3% return (per the State Dept. of Education, yesterday) for the 2012/2013 budget year. Teachers will also be eligible for up to $8,000 in performance based pay which is on top of their base salary (also per the State Dept. of Education) for the 2012/2013 budget year.
And for the record, I am not anti-education. I am pro-education. I am stated to be a "naysayer" or "anti-education" because I am against a levy/bond and higher taxes BASED on what is currently proposed by the MHSD as far as spending and vague "cuts." I hope that this train will turn around and that some commmon sense and honesty will shine through. I hope. I would be one of the MHSD's most outspoken supporters if I could be confident, based on the facts and data, that they were being fiscally responsible and proactive toward the future. I would GLADLY pay higher taxes if Admin pay was more in line with what some of these people contribute---really contribute---to the MHSD and the community (students and taxpayers). I am not there yet and may never be but at least I have the facts and data to support that decision. I hope there is a day when the MHSD decides to "partner" with this community for better education. There is no doubt that the children deserve that and we NEED smartl, well educated future leaders. However, a levy every 2 years and bond elections are not the answer and threats of "nuclear solutions" are not the answer either. There is nothing worse than a demand for money while holding the voting public captive (gun to our head tactics). When people have their backs up against a wall the outcome is seldom what we would like.
Hope that helps some of you out. If you do not want this "Citizens Board" to be all MHSD employees, attend the meetings. If not, please do not complain. Good day.
That's right, "CITY EMPLOYEES", you might as well cater to the whims of people who think they have a solution for everything instead of focusing on your job and assignments. (actually, keep doing the fine job you're doing; I think most normal people are quite satisfied with your performance in your duties)
Dear Mr. Idahowantswolves - Really, don't you have anything more constructive to do besides driving around at night? Of course you are going to draw attention to yourself from law enforcement. Sounds to me that you were purposely doing it TO draw their attention. Good on Elmore County for following you.
HEY CITY EMPLOYEES.... Check this out
http://www.ktvb.com/weather/news/ACHD-cr...
Might be a good idea to use that fancy shiny vacuum truck of yours for some good...
Its amazing how the police say its the public breaking all the traffic laws around here. Some day set downtown at an intersection and see how many times a MHPD car fails to make a complete stop, fail too use turn signals, improper lane turns, stopping with their cars in crosswalks at stop signs. In a 2 hour period , observed 11 MHPD cars violate these traffic laws in the downtown area. Observe and see.
Did the city have the trucks out clearing snow. The roads were terrible. I don't think anything was done with the city streets. Was the city saving money yesterday, figuring it would melt with the rain forecasted for late night? Real dangerous all day!
I have read a couple of comments about clearing the snow and frost from our cars and I have to agree. I am tired of seeing so many people with a little hole to look out of while they are driving. It is very important to clear your windows AND to remove the snow from your car, for the safety of yourself and others.
I don't know how many times I have had a big chunk of snow fly off of someone's car and land on my windshield or hit my car. It's dangerous and I wish that tickets could be issued for it.
As for the people who are complaining about the police "harassment"...If you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about if you are followed for one minute or thirty. Is it right for police to do this, probably not, though it's not illegal either. Just follow the laws and you won't have anything to worry about.
Just my opinion on a couple of things I have read lately! Everyone be safe and consider others in your actions! Don't have the "it won't happen to me attitude" because some day, it will!
Just a reminder to please clear the snow not only from the windows but the hood, roof and trunk of your vehicle. I lost count of how many cars were driving around today witha mountain of snow on the vehicle that fell off when going down the rod or when stopping. And by clearing snow from your windshield, using the wipers DOES NOT remove all the snow and blocks your vision. Take a few minutes to clear all the snow. A simple push with a soft brush will do the trick. I have a large truck and spend a few minutes cleaning off the snow not only to make things better for me but others on the road as well.
MHAFB early release article - Base closes....very slick....schools open??? I totally understand the dilemma with sending kids home early; however, everyone knew this storm was coming. Schools should have never been in session to begin with today. Don't think a snow day every few years will forever damage our childrens' educations. "freezing temperatures overnight, making Thursday morning drives extremely hazardous" in the same article, but our school officials have to wait until morning to make a final decision? That'll give all the parents lots of time to make other arrangements, as well? Just cancel classes for tomorrow now and make it easy and safer for everyone. Geeeezzz.
I hope no one does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=HcB...
Watch the whole video and see if you approve.
Maybe following someone for 15 minutes, IF that actually happened, is pushing things a tad. You should be able to establish a driving pattern before then. Maybe the officer was waiting for dispatch to return some information he/she had requested. Hard to say. However, I do know that law enforcement is a mostly thankless job and definetly dangerous and that law enforcement as a whole should be supported by their community. Do they need to earn that support and respect? Absolutely. If you want the respect and support of your community, you have to play the game by the rules. A good "cop" is a tool of God. A bad one....well.....you get the point. But before passing judement on the people who are trying to protect you, ask yourself. Would I or could I do their job? Thankfully, they are willing to do the job. Keep up the good work, ECSO and MHPD. And as far as the new chief, gee whiz, give the guy a chance. He's still settling in.
Regarding the video of troops urinating on dead bodies of their enemies...
ONLY ON CNN WILL YOU FIND ARTICLES LIKE THIS:
"A Taliban spokesman called the video "barbaric."
"And no religion that follows a holy text would accept such conduct. This inhuman act reveals their real face to the world," Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi said via text message Thursday."
1) Where was this "taliban spokesman's" outrage when it was dead American troops being paraded through the streets, urinated on, set on fire?????
2) The CNN reporter received this quote via "text message" Hey, are they facebook buddies too? anyone want to check my cel phone and see if I have any terrorists on speed dial! SOMETHING STINKS HERE!
oldrider,
Agreed, was it a foolish act? yes! videotaping it, twice as foolish! But C'mon folks this is WAR! NOT hopscotch!
You take these young troops and tell them to KILL their enemy and then somehow ask them to humanize and respect them?!?!?
Seriously any media person who pushes this should be rounded up, put in uniform and sent there to show us how THEY would do the job!
Watch how quickly they change their tunes!
So the picture of the 4 men pissing on dead Taliban is disgusting, and admittedly never should have happened. The media has made a big thing out of this, but they seem to have forgotten about our poor servicemen who were beaten to death, then hooked up with a rope behind a vehicle, and dragged through the streets, where people kicked and spit on them. How soon we forget :-( Compared to that, what our troops did was minor in my estimation, but still a thoughtless stupid act.
I would like to take a minute to remind folks to make sure your windows are free of frost before you drive away in the mornings. Twice in the last two weeks my car was almost hit by drivers with the windows frosted over.
This morning the person did a turn on red right in front of me, windows completely frosted. The other time was an almost head on with a someone that could not see clearly through the 3 inches in the middle they scraped off.
It really does not take that long and it could be your own life you are saving.
Respectthelaw214
But when those driver are doing nothing against the law, and being stopped and bullied by an officer, that is harrasment. Like makeing up false reason to pull them over just to see if they r drunk. It Happens.
It's been literally 45 minutes since my last post and it has already been deleted. What is the point of having a banter box if you're not able to freely express your opinion???
I as a citizen of this town would much rather have our law enforcement follow someone for 15 minutes than disregard and run the risk of having that individual take the life of another. It's those petty traffic stops that people in this community complain about that lead to DUI's and a lot of the times may end up saving a life especially that of a person you may know. Thank you to all of our city and county law enforcement for all you do. It is greatly appreciated.
WOW! All I hear about is the "Shifty Fifty" that run Mountain Home. Is this an elected group? Do they have a term limit?
What happened to the city's big plan for the kings building. ITS STILL AN EMPTY EYE SOAR. Was this another shifty fifty waste of of city tax payers money.
I dunno, maybe some healthy competition would be good for the area. Lucky O'Reilly's isn't owned by one of the "Shifty Fifty" or you would have never seen and Autozone!
Well, maybe we don't need more auto parts but it's better than a dump or dairy. Auto parts stores smell really good inside.
Well, maybe we don't need another auto parts stose but, methinks it's better than another dump or dairy. Inside of them stores smell just fine.
Thats what I thought- more auto parts!!!
Mr John Doe,
Firstly you obviously know me as you posted my first name, I on the other hand have no clue who you are. Next, my son has never posted at this site and my complaints about the Mountain Home City police department have nothing to do with the trouble my sons have been in in their youth. My complaints have been just and I have posted very few times to this forum. Of those involved in my situation 2 have now resigned from the PD, there were in fact problems with these two men and the way they were dealing with the public. My original post was related to the accident my son was in, my latest post was in reference to a different subject so I believe the situation was in fact "put behind me" until of course you brought it up again. If you have a problem with me I appreciate it if you keep my family out of it, it seems there is something personal in your post that was intended to disgrace both myself and my family how about you keep your anger directed towards me in the future as I am the one making the posts and leave anyone not writing out of it.
Have a lovely day.
Susan McCallum -
You and your families repeated attempts to discredit and disgrace the officers and Chief(s) of the Mtn Home Police Department are getting pathetic and exhuasting. I've followed this and other blogs for a long time. I've seen your other rants and those of your sons and husband. We get it - You don't agree with the fact that your kids got caught and charged for crimes they commited. Your (adult)son got into an accident and you don't agree with the outcome of the investigation - At a certain point, you just need to let it go. You've aired you grievances, now find something else to talk about. The men and women of our two local law enforcement agencies do a hard and sometimes thankless job. You (and especially your husband) should understand this.
Just what we need is another car parts store. How about some stores for clothing and shoes.
or a craft store.
Does Autozone do a military discount?
New store is Autozone and John Lathrop the old store manager at O'Reilly's is taking over the new Autozone. Be nice to have the competition. O'reilly's rule is to drop prices in any market with an Autozone, match their store hours. Autozone will price match. A win/win for Mtn Home
Sign says Autozone plus they are hiring if anyone is looking for a job. I did not see what you hade to do to apply but that is what it said when I drove by.
I have heard it is going to be an AutoZone
Anyone know what's being built next to McDonalds and Elmore Eye Care?
Where could you go in Mtn Home for 15 mins except around in circles? You sound suspicious to me also.
Does anyone remember a family with the last name of Chathams who lived in Mountain Home, Sally and Sheldon were their names, though they are both deceased. If so, do you know of anyone around here who has contact with their family members? I would like to contact them if possible. Thanks in advance!
Let me get this straight. You get followed by an officer for 15 minutes, and you think that's harassment? Really?
As for the dead black birds, now I know. We live in that Morris area and have seen many dead birds around, and just couldn't figure out what it was that was causing their deaths. I don't have to wonder any longer :-)
McCallumS
Good post, I agree with u. A few weeks ago I had an officer follow me for over 15 min. The officer was 162 , thinking just cause ur driving dowtown at 10.00 u must be drunk comming from the bar. it is harrasment. I havent drank in years. I was just board and thought I would drive around for awhile. It does need to change, and it sure hasnt.
Interesting how we now have a new city chief and yet the many of the city law enforcement officers continue to harass citizens. Complain or show proof of the injustices that are being committed and still nothing has changed. I have observed a cop car coming up behind me as I drove down American Legion, he is then next to me and next he is passing me quite fast. There are no lights, not sirens. I actually followed this officer as he passed Wal-mart then exited American Legion and parked in the City law enforcement parking lot.(For those who always have to find fault in everything people write about in this forum--I did not speed up, I followed behind at the posted speed limit) I have observed a cop car exiting a business on the left hand side of the street, I am in the left hand lane going forward, this officer pulls out in front of me, moves into the middle lane without blinkers, without even pulling into the left hand lane at all. I am certain it is not OK for drivers to break the laws, no matter what they are driving in. I believe that law enforcement should be held above other drivers, they are supposed to be setting examples. How can they continue to pull people over for things they are guilty of doing themselves? Why are they not accountable for their actions? So Chief Schultz will you continue to let your officers make mistakes without consequences? Allow them to pull people over for reasons they have concocted in hopes of scoring a DUI? Allow them to hide behind the badge?
MH Resident
Im so sick of u people saying its all about the money, so if china would pay 20 trillion for the USA u would be happy?????????????:? (*&^%)
MH Resident:
The birds being killed/managed was very well covered at all of the hearings (public hearings) that took place BEFORE the dairy industry (factory "farms") were allowed in Elmore County. Had your friends attended these hearings (public hearings) then they would know all about the program. The birds must be "managed" because of the jets and also because when the dairies came...so did the birds and a town can only have so many birds.
This information is all public record. Check it all out for yourself. As for dead birds all over the place...that is the price we pay for "economic growth and development" and the pursuit of "jobs and a living wage" in this town (as promised and promoted by this industry at the public hearings). I would worry less about dead birds and more about how many illegals work in these places and take jobs from US citizens that need the work and the pollution these "farms" create to water and environment.
Idahowantswolves:
So you can post whatever you want because it's America, but I have to leave the country if I dislike something?
Idahowantswolves:
Did you take offence to my little comment hmm... Oh and did you really break out the "it's America" argument really? I think I'll use the "I'm rubber your glue" rebuttal. My comment was more of a generalized statement for everyone who enjoys posting here and yes your right you can post whatever you like because "you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you." Plus I like wolves too. Just remember if you need a hug I'm the guy in the cardboard box at the old grain silos.
As always spare a dime?
I wounder if everyone knows that the Dept. of Agriculture is poisioning blackbirds for the dairies. Im ok with that, they have to protect their grain. What im not ok with is they fly off and die. My friend lives on Morris Way and has lots of tall trees. The birds roost in them and fall out dead. They say the poision will not harm dogs, cats, etc... but it cant be to healthy for his Grandaughter to play amoung the rotting carcusses. I hope hes sends an invoice to them for BIO-HAZARD cleanup. If they ignore him, he should file a tort claim. He has literally picked up hundreds of them in the last few days.
Mtnhomeless
Just like you can post what you want, I can post what I want , Its America
So future reference... instead of for instance oh I don't know um copying and then pasting the rhetoric from a news story, you can just post the link. That way if we actually think... ya know I would love to read what fox news has to say on some random thing they dislike today.... we can then go read it. Oh and it saves a little space just sayin.
As always spare a dime?
Merry Christmas Brenda, family and the staff at the News.
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE! HAVE A WONDERFUL WEEKEND WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS~~~~~
I read through these comments and I laugh at how some people get worked up over offending coments. I heard this quite a long time ago and I think it applies here. "A person of above average intelligence talks about ideas, a person of average intelligence talks about events and a person of below average intelligence talks about people." Whether those people are ones making comments against others or people who comment on groups of people. Either way you are doing the latter and one can imply your level of intellect.
Fox News
Extremist Teachings Remain in Saudi Textbooks Despite Kingdom's Claims of Reform
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/21/...
Despite Saudi Arabia's promises to clean up textbooks in the kingdom, recent editions continue to raise alarms in the West over jihadist language.
The recent editions were obtained by the Institute for Gulf Affairs in Washington, D.C., and the translations were first provided to Fox News.
"This is where terrorism starts, in the education system." Ali Al-Ahmed, director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs, told Fox News. Al-Ahmed, a Saudi national, said the textbooks, made and paid for by the Saudi government, were smuggled out of the kingdom through confidential sources.
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In a textbook for 10th-graders, printed for the 2010-2011 academic year, al-Ahmed said teenagers are taught barbaric practices. "They show students how to cut (the) hand and the feet of a thief," he said. In another textbook, for ninth-graders, the students are taught the annihilation of the Jewish people is imperative. One text reads in part: "The hour (of judgment) will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. ... There is a Jew behind me come and kill him."
According to the textbook translations provided to Fox News, women are described as weak and irresponsible. And al-Ahmed said the textbooks call for homosexuals to be put to death "because they pose a danger at society, as the Saudi school books teaches."
Al-Ahmed say the textbooks are both a Saudi and an American problem. "If you teach six million children in these important years of their lives, if you install that in their brain, no wonder we have so many Saudi suicide bombers."
After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, there was an intense focus on Saudi Arabia and its educational teachings because almost all of the attackers were from the kingdom. In 2006, Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Prince Turki al-Faisal told the Chicago Council on Foreign Relationships that the Saudi king was determined to eradicate this ideology of hate.
"In Saudi Arabia, King Abdullah recognizes that above all else education is the key, and he has put forth a program of reforms in this area," al-Faisal said. "In recent years, the kingdom has reviewed all of its education practices and materials and has removed any element that is inconsistent with the needs of a modern education. Not only have we eliminated what is objectionable from old textbooks that were in our system, we have also implemented a comprehensive internal revision and modernization plan. "
But the new textbooks, most from the 2010-2011 academic year, show the hateful speech remains.
In Atlanta earlier this month, the Saudi minister responsible for the textbooks talked about the importance of education for woman. Asked by Fox News about the textbooks, Prince Faisal Bin Abdullah Al-Saud said, "I always say to people, please come. Come, try to see us. But come without a preconceived idea. ... Especially when you want to raise the future, no one is going to introduce violence. Violence is absolutely against - I think this is, I don't know who put in those ideas."
When Fox News offered to show the quotes to the minister, he said, "there are many quotes" and walked away.
Fox News also asked the Saudi Embassy in Washington D.C., for comment on the textbooks and the translations, but there was no immediate response.
Fox News national correspondent Catherine Herridge's bestselling book "The Next Wave: On the Hunt for al Qaeda's American Recruits," published by Crown, draws on her reporting for Fox News into the American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and his new generation of recruits -- Al Qaeda 2.0.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/21/...
Sure am glad I spent my entire military career in only one branch of service. I'd hate to feel a need to compensate.
Well if they weren't they are now
These comments are annoying and ridiculous.
Mr.427539
Unless there is some personal connection with the person who told you "it was not your concern," I think such arrogance needs identification...after all, you're paying the bill; which may also include that person's salary.
Mr427539
Yes and yes.
GREAT JOB WEST ELEMENTARY. Security lights only.
Thank You
Just thought this would be a GREAT time to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Also to remind each and every one to remember the spirit of the season.
One answer;
Yes, I have contacted the school district and was told it was not my concern. I will not print the name of the person who told me that.
Two questions.
"snafu" Do the cleaners/janitors walk to the school, as in no vehicles in the parking lot?
"midea" Do you pay property taxes, and if you do, do you care how they are spent?
Mr427539
Did you ever try to contact the school and find out why the lights are on? It might alleviate your frustation and posts.
They do have to clean the building at night. Can not do it in the dark.
Again, lots of lights on at West Elementary and no cars in the parking lot. It's only tax dollars so nobody cares.
Some people would find writings genuinely more sincere if the author wouldn't feel the need to continually toot his own horn.
You know what, I will change the word.
Idahowantswolves, your comments do not make you a racist.
A bigot on the other hand...
InTheRough,
Whatever.... you TRIED to "play the race card" to intimidate others and dominate the argument, and you got called on it! Live with it and show enough integrity to admit it. LOL
I am very aware it is a religion, but my point was idahowantswolves and others on here are treating like a race. I see "those people" in the comments left, instead of people with that religion.
Intherough stated: There is a difference between free speech and just being a racist. Just as people are free to say what they like (for the most part), others are free to respond, even in a negative manner.
First off, thank you for agreeing with me. Others (Lowes) are free to respond (to the muslim show) even if it's in a negative manner.(pulling their ads)
Lowes is indeed a private company consisting of private investors more commonly known has stock holders.
Secondly Lowes nor anyone else can be considered "racists" since muslim is a religion and NOT a race of people. Just like Catholics, LDS, Baptists. Muslims around the worls come in as many different RACES as do Catholics and LDS. White, black, brown...there are muslims in all colors.
You have to remember that this is still (for now) a free country and that private companies such as Lowes can spend their advertising money as they see fit. If they're stock holders tell the board that they don't like the direction the advertising is going then Lowes would best pull the ad from where ever it was placed.
IntheRough,
Lowes is a PRIVATE company who has its stocks traded on the open market. If it was to be a PUBLIC company than the local, state, or federal goverment would have to own 51% of its stock. Being owned by the PUBLIC means the goverment controls the decision making of the company. This is not the case for Lowes. Lowes is run by a CEO and board of directors for the investors of the private company. In the case of Chevy that got bailed out by the US goverment they became a PUBLIC company for a short time and the goverment fired the president. Lowes is not a PUBLIC company or the taxes payers would own it.
mhbouncer
As you feel that Lowes is a company who have the right to pull their ads from occuring during All American Muslim, know that it is a PUBLIC company, not private.
They are under the same guidelines as other public companies and can't just pick and choose without some sort of repercussion.
There is a story on MSNBC.com that discusses a WHITE woman posting a WHITE ONLY sign at a PUBLIC pool. The reason she posted it? An African American girl.
There is a difference between free speech and just being a racist. Just as people are free to say what they like (for the most part), others are free to respond, even in a negative manner.
As an example, idahowantswolves wants everyone to believe what he states, he is only pulling info from another country, which doesn't fly here. But we still get to respond.
Free will, and think for yourself.
Just want to send a huge thank you to all who were involved in the shop with a cop program. Your generosity of your time is greatly appreciated. Everyone involved I say thank you so much. And a big thank you for all those who have donated monies throughout the year to help these needy children and thier families. Hats off to you all!!!!!!!!!!
idahowantswolves
Why are you so quick to discount everyone else's opinion? You can sure lay your racist ignorant and close minded opinion, but in the land of free speech, we get to say ours too.
Your solution, if someone disagrees with you, is to tell them to leave?
If you are so worried about the Saudi's coming, why don't you leave? You seem to be more worried about it than ANYONE else.
I happen to know lilmisselmo. Lilmisselmo is thoughtful, intelligent (oh, that means she is smart, just wanted to make sure you understood, since your ignorance is showing), and understands what is going on. All you can do is spout items from another country, of what is not allowed in this one.
Know the difference. If you want to match wits with someone, make sure you come armed.
Lilmisselmo has a full arsenal. My money is on her.
Lots of lights on and no vehicles in the parking lots at West Elementary. I guess I should be glad MY TAX DOLLARS DON'T PAY THE ELECTRIC BILL. Oh gosh I think it is on us taxpayers.
Great post midea and interesting article to say the least. Thank you for posting that.
(CNN) -- A woman was beheaded in Saudi Arabia for practicing witchcraft and sorcery, the kingdom's Interior Ministry said, prompting Amnesty International to call for a halt in executions there.
Amina bint Abdel Halim Nassar was executed Monday for having "committed the practice of witchcraft and sorcery," according to an Interior Ministry statement. Nassar was investigated before her arrest and was "convicted of what she was accused of based on the law," the statement said. Her beheading took place in the Qariyat province of the region of Al-Jawf, the ministry said.
In a statement issued late Monday, the human rights group called the execution "deeply shocking" and said it "highlights the urgent need for a halt in executions in Saudi Arabia."
"While we don't know the details of the acts which the authorities accused Amina of committing, the charge of sorcery has often been used in Saudi Arabia to punish people, generally after unfair trials, for exercising their right to freedom of speech or religion," said Philip Luther, Amnesty International's interim director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme.
Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy, practices a puritanical version of Islam and is governed by Shariah, or Islamic law. In the deeply conservative kingdom, sorcery, witchcraft and blasphemy are all offenses that can be punishable by death.
The London-based Saudi newspaper Al-Hayat quoted a source in the country's religious police who said authorities searched Nassar's home and found books on sorcery, a number of talismans and glass bottles filled with liquids supposedly used for the purposes of magic. The source told the paper Nassar was selling spells and bottles of the liquid potions for about $400 dollars each.
CNN could not reach Saudi Arabia's religious police or Justice Ministry for comment.
Amnesty says Nassar's execution is "the second of its kind in recent months. In September, a Sudanese national was beheaded in the Saudi Arabian city of Medina after being convicted on 'sorcery' charges."
The human rights group said the number of executions in Saudi Arabia has almost tripled in 2011.
"So far at least 79 people -- including five women -- have been executed there, compared to at least 27 in 2010," the Amnesty statement said.
This is not the first sorcery case in Saudi Arabia to spark outrage from human rights groups. In 2008, Lebanese TV host Ali Hussain Sibat was arrested on charges of sorcery while in Saudi Arabia on a religious pilgrimage. In 2009, he was found guilty and sentenced to death. While Sibat has not been executed, he remains in prison.
Saudi Arabia's judicial system also made headlines this month for the sentence imposed on Australian national Mansor Almaribe, who was convicted of blasphemy while performing the Hajj in the kingdom, and sentenced to 500 lashes and a year in prison. The Australian government is pleading Almaribe's case.
lilmissmelmo
This ia AMERICA, dont like it leave, Its ur right tooo , gooo
lilmisselmo I think you miss the point. BECAUSE it's a free market, Lowes is free to advertise where ever the wish. If your soap company feels that Teen Mom doesn't fit in with their values they are also free to pull their ads from that show.
The more ludicrous point is that a congressman feels he has the right to put up legislation to force a private company to apologize to all muslims and to force the company to spend their advertising on a show that doesn't reflect the values of Lowes. This is still a free country and any legislation like what was stated would fly directly in the face of our constitution.
As for the peace loving muslims portrayed in the show? The way they exercise their religion is contrary to what is taught to muslims in the rest of the world. To be honest, if these families were to take their American muslim beliefs to say Saudi Arabia, they would be punished severly up to and including death.
That story is ridiculous. Is it so wrong to advertise during a show that is trying to give people a peek into the fact that not all Muslims are infidel-killing bomb-happy America-hating people?
Lowes probably just wants to get people into their store. I DOUBT purchasing ad space there was anything more than a chance to get an ad out there. How was that standing up for America's rights? Are we so into limited a free market that we are willing to boycott ad space because we don't like the TV show?
I think Teen Mom has begun glamorizing certain aspects of teen pregnancy. Does that mean that my favorite soap should stop advertising while it's on? NO. That is a ridiculous expectation.
Good For Lowes for standing up for Americas rights
NEW YORK -- Lowe's is planning to stick by its decision to yank its ads from a reality TV show about American Muslims despite the growing opposition the home improvement chain is facing over the move.
California Sen. Ted Lieu put a statement out on Sunday that he is considering calling for a boycott of Lowe's Cos., sparking criticism of the chain from leaders in the Muslim community.
On social media web site Twitter, actor Kal Penn is began directing people to a petition on signon.org in support of the TLC cable network show, "All-American Muslim." By Monday afternoon, there were about 9,200 signatures.
Lowe's stopped running commercials during "All-American Muslim" after a conservative group known as the Florida Family Association e-mailed advertisers to ask them to stop advertising on the show.
The group said the program, which follows the lives of Muslim families living in the Metro Detroit area, was "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."
On Monday, Congressman Keith Ellison, who is Muslim, released a statement condemning Lowe's Cos. for choosing "to uphold the beliefs of a fringe hate group and not the creed of The First Amendment," the part of the Constitution that protects freedom of religion.
Meanwhile, Lowe's, based in North Carolina, stood by its Sunday statement that it pulled the advertising after the show became a "lightning rod for people to voice complaints from a variety of perspectives -- political, social and otherwise" and says "dozens" of other advertisers also pulled their advertising from the show.
"All-American Muslim" premiered last month and chronicles the lives of five families who live in and near Dearborn, Michigan, a Detroit suburb with a large Muslim and Arab-American population. Proponents of the show, which airs on Monday on TLC, say it portrays regular Muslim families living in the U.S.
TLC spokeswoman Laurie Goldberg said "All-American Muslim," which ends its first season on Jan. 8, has garnered a little over a million viewers per week. "We stand behind the show All American Muslim and we're happy the show has strong advertising support," she said.
Florida Family Association, based in Tampa, Florida, claims that more than 60 advertisers that it e-mailed, from Amazon to McDonalds, have also stopped advertising on the show. But so far Lowe's is the only major company to confirm they pulled their ads from the show.
Advertise | AdChoicesAmazon and McDonald's and other advertisers did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
Meanwhile, Atlanta-based Home Depot, which was cited by Florida Family Association as an advertiser who stopped advertising, said Monday they never intended to run any ads during the show, but one commercial ran "inadvertently and without our knowledge," according to spokesman Stephen Holmes.
The controversy highlights the fine line companies must walk when they select shows to advertise on.
Branding expert Laura Ries said Lowe's made two mistakes. The first was advertising during a show that could be construed as controversial. The second was pulling advertising too quickly.
"For a big national brand like Lowe's, they've always got to be incredibly careful when advertising during any show that could be deemed controversial," she said. "Will it seriously damage the brand in the long term? Probably not. But it is a serious punch in the stomach."
Lowe's ad flap comes at a particularly difficult time for Muslims in the Metro Detroit area.
Florida pastor Terry Jones held an anti-Islam rally earlier this year outside Dearborn City Hall after being barred from protesting outside a Muslim mosque in the city. A burning of the Quran in March at Jones' church in Florida led to a series of violent protests in Afghanistan that killed more than a dozen people.
"Metro Detroit and Dearborn have been the focal point of a number of anti-Muslim movements," said Dawud Walid, executive director of Council on American-Islamic Relations' Michigan chapter. "There are organized forces in our society that want to marginalize American Muslims to the point where they don't want to see any portrayals of Muslims that regular Americans can connect to."
Trouble
Thinking and being are one thing. I don't believe that one section of a group represents the group as a whole. Just as I hope that everyone realizes that idahowantswolves does not represent me nor everyone in Mountain Home nor the base.
9/11 was and still is a very tragic memory. I am a military wife. I sent my husband off days later for who knows where and who knew how long, and if he was ever coming back. I am a military brat as well.
I just ask for other to reserve making a decision on something that hasn't happened. Be prepared if you want, but to just pass judgement on a group as a whole due to a section is a generalization and racist.
I was reading our local papers and clicked on this link. This article has a tendency to bother me, make me wonder. Ummmmm.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/12/331...
Idaho Wants Wolves...managed in accordance with the original agreement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxaYMrwG3...
I'm sure the 911 killers thought they were just good muslims following the sharia law and treating the infidels the way that sharia law dictates. I wonder what country they came from? I have served in Iraq both in 1991 and in 2005, I have served in Afghanistan in 2004. I have made friends with a few and the line is very thin between them being polite to us infidels to them flying a plane into a building. I won't say they will all decide to be a marter but it only takes one to decide to take out a school of infidels to be a great marter in the eyes of Allah. I know the that it will bring a few jobs and some money, but at what cost? How much is your safety and piece of mind worth? How much does it take to buy your vote?
First of, for the Saudis, its not the SRAF, just like our current Singapore squadron, they are also known as the RSAF.
Secondly, take a second to think about the deal the Saudis are looking for. Overall its worth many tens of billions of dollars to the US at a time when our economy and long term employment could certainly use the boost. Given our government's current appeasement strategy in dealing with most other countries, and what one would assume to be a large lobby effort on the part of industry, what is it that the Saudis want that is forcing the impasse? From what I've been told their have been multiple "absolutely final offers" by our side, but still no agreement. We may not want to know what's holding things up.
Thirdly, don't mistake your impressions of many US Muslims with those that would be showing up here. Its not even an apples and oranges comparison. I spent a year in Saudi training many of the same aircrew that would be coming here, and by now they would be in leadership positions, and I can tell you that they are not to be trusted. In casual conversation its easy to be fooled. Its not so easy for them to hide their true nature when you live and work with them almost every day for a year.
I'll write a very lengthy response injecting as many "supporting" diatribes as I feel necessary to get my point across, even though a mere 50-60 words would work. P.S--I feel so important when I write. Who am I?
Idahowantswolves. At least the Muslim members of the SRAF, assuming they are good Muslims, follow Sharia, they are required to follow the laws of the country they are in. Coming straight from the mouth of five different Muslims that I know.
I hate to tell u, but if the sraf beds down here our laws cant touch them, so hope they dont, lots of people around here dont want them
Free speech also dictates that I can tell you I don't like you what say, write, etc.
Each country has their own laws. Saudi Arabia does not have freedom of religion. We do. Just like we have to follow their laws when in their country, they have to do the same here.
Your rants show ignorance. It's one thing for others to think you are a fool, it's another thing for you to open your mouth and prove them right.
Its called free speech, dont like it, dont read it
idahowolves
Why would you assume that something like that happens here? We have our laws, which are not the same as in Saudi Arabia?
Stop with the the racist rants and learn that Ignorance is NOT bliss.
(Insert Eye Roll Here)
Australian man faces 500 lashes in Saudi Arabia for blasphemy
Consular officials have contacted Almaribe several times by phone since his arrest in mid-November, and were in the courtroom during the reading of the verdict.
Australian officials said they were informed he was convicted of blasphemy and "making comments insulting to prophet Mohammed's relatives."
His sentence was originally two years imprisonment along with the 500 lashes, but the court reduced the sentence by a year, consular officials said. It was unclear when the lashing punishment will be carried out.
Blasphemy is punishable by up to a death sentence under the strict Muslim law in Saudi Arabia.
yah we want this in mtn home
I guess Mountain Home is officially entering the 21st century.
Everyday I see a new city department or local shop join the social media. I guess it's a great way for those of the computer-savvy generation to keep up to date on things.
City of Mtn Home: http://www.facebook.com/pages/City-of-Mo...
Animal Shelter:
www.facebook.com/CMHAS
Library:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mountain-H...
Elmore County Sheriff:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Elmore-Cou...
Eagle Eye, I did not get the paper yet. I don't realize how busy I am until I look up and the clock says after 5:00. I need to do it though. Thanks for the reminder :)
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/blogs/13...
I guess if the MHN is going to have State News on the site they will have to find a new source.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/12/05...
ItsJustMeAgain, you are so right, we have a Postal system that just doesn't work anymore. To many over paid supervisors and a real lack of workers. All you have to do is look at mail delivery with the amount of carriers that no longer around and the new ones everyday. Congress created most of their debt problem but nobody is fixing it and it looks more likely than not Postal service becoming a thing of the past.
BTW did you get your paper you were looking for?
Talk about crazy! I was at the post office today and it was full of people, like almost out the door and as one went out, more would come in. What's so crazy about that you ask? ONE, count them, ONE person behind the counter helping people.
Turned out that the other one was on lunch. Okay fine, they need to eat, however, it seems that this time of year would prove that a second person is needed and someone could cover for her lunch, even if that someone has to be the Postmaster himself.
It is completely unacceptable to leave ONE person working that way and having to deal with all of those people backing up, getting cranky and even some walking out.
Seems to me that if the Post Office is going bankrupt, losing customers to UPS or Fedex is NOT the way to solve the problem.
Good job to the City on the Christmas lights at the Railroad Park. Good idea to move everything over there on the main street where everyone can enjoy the lights. Every year seems to get new ideas and a better showing for the Holiday.
ESA Bazaar at North Elementary was great!
Lots of shoppers and variety of things to admire
People visiting, meeting new folks
Thanks to everyone!
Oops...sorry to repeat a question. I have since then sent another e-mail that has gone unanswered. It just seems odd to me that there is never an answer in e-mail. Thanks guys! I'll try walking in when I get the time to do that.
There is a bazaar at North Elementary this Saturday.
Last year there was a Christmas Bazaar at one of the schools, and it was awesome. I went to a craft fair a couple of weeks ago that wasnt nearly as good. If anyone knows when that is happening again, that would be awesome. Thank you very much. Happy Holidays!
ItsJustMeAgain, You asked that same question back on 7 Oct and Brenda at the news answered you. So do what goatbeard said and a good chance you will find the paper.
JustMe........Try walking into their office and ask them. They are wonderful people, not scary in the least. They will happily help you right away.
Does anyone know how to get back issues of the Mountain Home News? I have e-mailed them and can't seem to get an answer. I am getting worried since I want one from September. Thanks for any help you can give me!
Does anyone know if the senior citizens or nursing homes are putting together a Chistmas wish list? Thanks.
Chamber of Commerce lists the Christmas Parade of Lights at being held on 2 Dec at 7pm. Here is the link: http://mountainhomechamber.com/default.a...
First off- Happy Turkey Day to everyone :)
Question: The article concerning the Parade states that the parade kicks off on Friday, Decemeber 7th- yet, the 7th is a Wednesday??! So does anyone know whether it is going to happen on the 2nd or the 9th ??? I posted a question below the article, and had emailed the editor a couple days ago but have not received clarification from the paper yet. I did not see it on the MH News Calender either. There was a secondary comment posted beneath mine that said the parade was on the 2nd...can someone else confirm that??
Thanks for the help :)
Kwide, it sounds like your friends either 1) Had over 3 oz. of marijuana. 2) Had a small amount they were attemtping to sell. 3) Had other drugs besides marijuana on them. All of these are a felony, and rightfully should be, in Idaho and yes can put you in prison for several years. Sorry but the innocent, non-violent offenders portion of your story doesn't wash.
Kwide, Can you tell us where you are from? In Idaho we don't have "medical" marijuana. And possesion of a small personal use amount is a misdemeanor and usually gets probation for a first offense. Under no circumstance could you go to prison for a misdemeanor in the state of Idaho. So the cost to the county is negligible for a first offense conviction of possesion of less than 3oz of marijuana.
IMHO it is still illegal in Idaho to possess marijuana. Until someone pushes the issue and gets that changed, not only at the local level but at the federal level, you need to respect the law. As a lawful society we can't decide we don't like a law and just ignore it. What if I decide stop signs are stupid about the time your family crosses my path?
Do the Crime, Do the Time! We all know the rules!
Looks like the local school district has more money as there are a lot of lights on at West Elementary at 8 PM on a Monday.
I am wanting public opinions concerning putting non-violent first time offenders for possession of medical marijuana in jail. Two young men, allegedly, in possession of marijuana are facing several years in prison. Neither have been in trouble before and work and pay taxes. Idaho now has 7,400 people behind bars. More than half of them are there due to drug-related offenses. The state has shipped about 500 people to other states because there's no more room in prisons in Idaho. The amount of tax dollars we spend to house inmates is way too much and I believe several years in prison for a first offence is too severe. What does the rest of the tax payers think?
Get over it IdahoWantsWolves, you really need to find a hobby. Put all your free time to better use. Maybe the MH Giving tree could use some help!
TODAY: Mountain Home Youth Center
OPEN HOUSE/ CRAFT FAIR!/ BAZAAR
Come out and support your LOCAL crafters and gt your Christmas shopping started (or finished) early---Avoid the holiday shopping nightmare in the retail stores...
Saturday November 19!
9a.m to 2p.m
At 130 North Main(across from Railroad Park)
Help spread the word please!!!
A spokesperson for Saudi Arabia's Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (CPVPV), Sheikh Motlab al Nabet, said the committee had the right to stop women revealing "tempting" eyes in public.
Women in Saudi Arabia already have to cover their hair, and, in some regions, their faces while in public. If they do not, they face punishments including fines and public floggings.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/11/17/...
So back to the subject of limiting fundraisers to grades lower than the high school. The school district imposed the limitation based on one post (that I could find on this blog) which identified a disgruntled citizen complaining about all the fundraising. Hacker just raised $10,000 for their spell-A-Thon. This does not sound like our community is all that concerned and are more than willing to support educational fundraisers. Let the kids enjoy being kids and participate in fundraising that goes back into their education.
One of the labels McMurtrey put on the fundraisers that are being allowed is "tradition". What constitutes this in his opinion to pick and choose what events fall under this generic umbrella? I guess educational fundraising is going by the wayside just as physical fitness and healthier lunch menus are expendable. When will the tyranny stop and education becomes a priority once again?
Wolves,
Sadly, no, that is not the dog I have seen. I do hope this other dog is found as well.
CuriousParents --------Is that the dog some people are looking for that has an ad in the paper, there a pic on the ad and phone number. 11/16/2011
does anyone know why there were other police agencies other than elmore county deputies pulling over so many cars the other day between mountain home and glenns ferry? owhyee county, elmore county and ISP were working hard from the 90 ext to the 95. I heard more were working farther east up the interstate. the scanner was going crazy for a few hours and my ride on the interstate from the 95 to the 90, I saw 7 cars pulled over. and only 2 of them were from elmore county cars.
I have seen the dog. I live on 12th and hav been trying to caught her. She is very scared.I hav got her to where she will come in part way in my room to eat. She will take bones out of my hands but I tried to grab her and she is fast!! I am tring to get her. I think she is a dog someone just moved and left her. I want to keep her, if I can get her. Anyone have any ideas???
Anyone know how I could find someone to sweep my chimney in this town?
I called around a year ago to places like A-to-Z Lumber (shot in the dark) and couldn't find anyone. The only guy in the phonebook apparently can't be contacted with that information anymore. I've heard there's someone in town but I can't seem to find anyone to do it...
I guess you had to be a marine to carry pride from your service; so some would lead you to believe
If anyone has lost a Blue Healer (wearing a collar), there is one that has been sleeping in the yard of the empty house across the street from the Family dollar store on 14th East. I believe one of the hind legs is injured. I have called the Animal Shelter several times, but they have been unable to catch it.
Since when is it okay for a faculty member to lay there hands on a student?
While in Oregon recently saw a small newspaper item backpage- it said a younger male wolf had been tracked out of the Wallowas, across Lake County and into the Umpqua drainage area. This wolf had a tracking collar monitored by Fish and Game.
To each and every Veteran in and out of my life "Thank You" for the freedoms I enjoy and your sacrifices you and your families have made. God Bless.
I guess we will have to wait until next wednesday to hear about this. So for those of you who want to know now, here you go.
KTVB.COM
Posted on November 10, 2011 at 8:52 AM
Updated today at 9:27 AM
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ELMORE COUNTY -- The Elmore County Sheriff's Office is looking for three people who did not return from a hunting trip Wednesday night.
The three left to hunt on horseback Saturday. They were heading towards Two Springs and Atlanta, Idaho. A family member told sheriff's deputies they were due back Wednesday night. They did leave with enough supplies to last one week.
The hunters were last seen driving two white Ford pick-up trucks, which have not yet been located.
Deputies say they do have a cell phone but they may not have service where they were supposed to be hunting.
The group consists of a husband, wife, and a family friend. Their names have not yet been released.
Ha! Already on the MHN, I guess I wasn't reading as close as I thought I was.
False alarm closes gate at the base for an hour:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/11/09...
JD & Action hunter, we will never get the wolves down a manageable size/count. The size of the wolves imported in is not manageable in itself. Years ago, we eradicated them by means that will never again happen. Some of you know why. When a Bitch Wolf can have as many as 10 pups a year, ... how is that manageable? I dealt with the consequences of these truly magnificent animals all summer. Yes, I think they are magnificent. When you see one, or at least when I did, I was struck by it's beauty. Then I was struck by it's absolute disdain of myself ... though I was horseback. No fear in that guy. I'm sincerely glad I was horseback. We stood and looked at each other for a bit, ... I was almost a moth to the flame....
Anyway, it was folly to bring Canadian Wolves here, and whether people want them or not, everyone is paying ...one way or another.
While I'm blabbing, I'll put another couple 'cents' in. Some say they kill only for instinct, to feed. Untrue. They kill, cuz they kill. They kill to train their pups to kill, at times, they kill while wandering thru a herd of 800-1000# heifers ...all is calm and a young heifer kicks his heels up and starts to play with a nearby friend.... stirs up the blood lust of the wolf, and becomes dead. Ya know, similar to "Don't run from a dog, cuz then he'll chase and bite"? Kind of same thing... that's basically for "Sport" why not!
Yah I do, its because of the Idaho Fish and Game, and there so called managament slaughter, and you thats right.
If they go back on the ESA it won't be because we hunted them...you know the reason why.
keep hunting u will put them right back on the ISA...now who's laughing
It's Election Day. Enough said!
Three Aussies arrested on suspicion of poaching elk in Elmore County
Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/11/07...
jdvann,
great post, doing my best to make it 102.
Wolf update from the IDFG page...101 down, 1000 more to go. Slowly taking back our state.
Perhaps I do suffer hypersensitivity for the subject. It has been talked to death. But thanks for the list of things that we already know and have heard over and over and over. Maybe 50 or 60 more times should do the trick.
The Base Layoff, why does that matter anyway, renember what some people, the city , mayor seators, are saying ,,,"The Saudi's will save Mtn Home, The Base and Idaho" so what does it matter about a few layoffs. THe Saudi's will save all of us.
uncommon sense,
I think you suffer hypersensitivity for the subject.
Who asked for "sympathy?" Who asked for "tribute?" Who claimed that you were "cold-hearted or selfish?"
Being, perhaps the lone voice for teachers on this thread, my support for education is based on the following personal observations:
1. The economy has nothing to do with the number of children who have to be educated each year. When someone loses employment, their kids don't disappear...they still need to go to school.
2. The Public, who pay taxes to support public education, have, as a majority, voted to not pay enough taxes to support what they have become accustomed to expect from their schools.
3. In order to support the same public, school districts have been forced to lay off people while simultaneously asking the remaining employees to pick up the slack...it's affectionatly called "we need to do more with less."
4. People who think they are not being paid what they are worth will relocate to a place where their skills and salaries are most beneficial to the public and the worker.
5. The market system is a good model for predicting the future of an economy...teachers are not public servants, they are public employees; and employer will never get more than what they are willing to pay for. As such, if they think they can do better elsewhere, they'll move on; just like the ones who were discharged due to budget cuts.
I must not have done a good enough job of driving my point home. The Mt Home News would rather report on a vehicle that was stuck on a concrete barrier, which they reported on the same day that it happened and TOTALLY ignore another event that will have a bigger impact on the community. What say you Mt Home News??? Why no special report of the announcement about layoffs at the base and instead report on a short term event like the semi driving onto concrete protectors. Bet you would have been all over the news had it been a military member breaking a law.
That is the exact point I was trying to make to you. You didn't mention plumbers, farm hands, ranch hands or any other profession at all. Only teachers. We get it. Teachers lost their jobs. I said that I feel bad for them and I do, the same as anyone else. The exact same. My irritation is with the fact that if we don't show EXTRA sympathy for them, more than we would anyone else, we're horrible people. Cold hearted and selfish. How dare someone mention layoffs on base without first paying tribute to the teachers. Not plumbers, ranch hands, ect. ONLY teachers.
uncommon sense,
Do you think a teacher who loses his/her job is any more/less affected by unemployment than a plumber/ranch hand/farm hand/ fry clerk or big shot CEO?
The airbase employee who loses employment because of budget cuts will stand in the same unemployment line as the calculus teacher who is no longer being employed by the State...how you FEEL about either professional worker's contribution to society doesn't mean crap to the bills either of them has to pay.
I have seriously had enough with hearing about the school district layoffs. Yes, I feel bad for them, but no more than ANYONE ELSE who loses a job. The education system is feeling what the whole rest of the country is feeling. WE ARE ALL GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING!!! Get over yourselves, you are no more important than anyone else. School dist. layoffs = OUTRAGE. Anyone else getting laid off = What about our teachers getting laid off? Are teachers an exclusive class of people? Anyone else who loses a job can't feed their families on the warm fuzzies they get from knowing not a single teacher lost a job in the great recession. Give it a rest already....
Oh My!
Did anyone notice how many teacher (civilian) positions were lost last year in Mountain Home?
In case you missed it on some of the other news avenues, this one will more than likely not report it, the base announced a reduction of 34 CIVILIAN slots today. In fact I waited a day to see if the local paper would at least add it to the news feed but a tractor trailer getting stuck rated higher.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/11/02...
While I agree with the hazards of crossing Main and Jackson especially in hours of darkness and high traffice after school. The problem is not being ignored. The Cities Traffic Safety Board has been looking at this intersection along with others for improvements. Check the minutes here.
http://www.mountain-home.us/MTNHOME/Traf...
MHG4316,
I said I was sorry. Put your real name down and I will give you call and arrange a meeting, you should be REAL CAREFULL who you threaten.
Agreed, that intersection is dark in the morning and kids wearing dark clothes cannot be seen. I actually almost hit one the other day in the cross walk. The lighting there is really poor. Lets do something before a tragic accident happens.
Driving to work this morning I noticed something that scared the heck out of me. At the crosswalk just before you drive under the underpass headed towards base, the intersection of Jackson and Main.
That intersection and crosswalk are DARK!!!! I didn't even see the kid standing there waiting to cross the street until I was AT the crosswalk, thank goodness he hadn't chosen to just walk out there....
HEY CITY LEADERSHIP! If you want to spend my tax dollars so freely on all your cute little pet projects like parking lots, clocks, sidewalks, park benches, rundown buildings that are about to be auctioned off for unpaid taxes!, etc.... etc... etc...
HOW ABOUT TAKING A COUPLE OF THOSE BUCKS AND INSTALL LIGHTS AND MAYBE EVEN A SIGNAL AT THAT INTERSECTION BEFORE SOME KID GETS HURT POSSIBLY SERIOUSLY INJURED!
my two cents worth for the day!
MH Resident,
Are you serious? Why would a suicide be a news story.....when someone dies you dont see Brian Orban out there with his camerea do you? This person, no matter the circumstances, passed away and the family and friends do not deserve to see your disgusting post. Being someone who recently lost a very very close loved one to suicide I would personally like to have a few minutes alone with you! You are an insensitive jerk and I cannot even believe that comment has not been removeed from here.....
I am very sorry if I offended anyone, especially the family. I am very sorry for your loss. I was just asking about a rumor I heard.
MHResident ...How rude..This young man has a family and many friends who love him...You should be ashamed.. To his family I am so sorry for your loss. He was a wonderful person .
MHResident, could you be any more insensitive? I don't know if anyone did or did not do what you are talking about, however, if they did and their family is reading here, do you think they would like to read your comment the way you wrote it? Goodness, what is wrong with people these days?
Does anyone know about a suicide that occured last week acroos the street from the spud factory. It has not been reported by any of the news outlets. I wounder why nothing has been said about it. Rumor has it he blew himself up.
Would you get over yourself and the prejudice that is showing on this blog.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1245980968001...
Muslims Demand Prayer Rooms Without Crosses at US Catholic University-----HUM----now thats what we want in Mtn Home and the Base, Yah Right, We all neeed to stand together and protest the Saudi Royal Airforce from bedding down here.
More of that "hope and change" we were promised by this administration!!!
You wont see this on CNN (commie news network) so must be a plot huh?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/...
Thanks for the info Victoria!
The thing I saw was cylinder shaped maybe.(from what I could see that high)There was no wind on Sunday, so I heard it rumble like a jet, barely audible though. And like MsM says, it was right above the horizon. But it LOOKED like it was traveling 17,000 mph.
I went outside last night along with my husband and right on time we seen the space station, however that isn't what we seen back a month or so ago.
What we seen was huge and it was flying super fast and it was just above the horizon, not way up in the sky like the space station was........ It made no noise. Air Craft fly over our house almost every night but what we saw that night was not like any thing we had ever seen before.
Bondyweb,
Thank you and I am glad you were able to view it.
It orbits between an altitude of 173 and 286 miles above earth, and at a speed of 17,200 MPH.
And for those who missed it, check tonight at 8:28 PM.
victoria475: Thanks for the ISS info. It came over my house right on schedule. Cool!
The object might be the ISS (Internation Space Station.) It will be visible tonight over Mtn. Home at 7:49 PM. Not sure if that is what you are looking at, but if you check tonight at 7:49 and again at 9:25 PM you can make the comparison.
It will also be visible tomorrow night at 8:28 PM.
Clam Chowder
I don't know what the heck it was, and I didn't think it looked like an Air Plane either. Another thing about it I never heard it. It was very quiet. Maybe that's why not many people have seen it because there's no noise to make you look up. You have to be looking up at the right time to see it...
Ok, so now I have seen this "thing" going across the sky that a few people have brought up. Outside last night about 7 and there was a white thing trucking along pretty fast. Faster than a plane and definetly not shaped like one either, heading east/southeast. Any thoughts on what it is or does anyone know?
Igottawhole lot of people readin my blog now im important
Eagle-Thanks for letting me know about the email and comment- I think the spam filter must have gotten them again.
The Church and State blog has been on the back burner for me for the last couple of months, but there is ample subject matter, aside from the local issue, for many posts to come. Right now, Boise State classes are the primary focus of my writing efforts, but I'll pick it back up again soon.
Geoff, got the message and replied, only you will know if you got it.
Councilman Schroedar, how many times have you responded to a question by someone on the Banter Box over City Hall, Did you call the Mayor and ask him and get an answer.
If you haven't read it yet take a look at my latest blog and see what I had to say about web sites and you know full well I have talked about it with the Council and the Mayor.
You started a blog over the Church bull then dropped it like a hot potato and haven't answered my e-mail or did any more updates to it. So don't be called the kettle black.
I will accept any and all comments on my blog entries and if I have an opinion or an answer I will state it.
Wolf hope you don't get to cold standing out their alone wanting a protest.
unite and protest the Saudi bassing here
Some cities have a different take on Pink Flamingos:
http://host.madison.com/wsj/article_e4c7...
Isn't having a golf course in your "just another exit along the interstate" town the equivalent of having a few plastic flamingos stuck in your front yard? I think it is...except, no town I know of ever supplemented the cost of the plastic flamingos.
If you want to play games, then pay for the playground and quit asking me to pay for your pleasure.
Buckshot61:
Thanks for the suggestions and/or ideas to increase the profitability of the golf course. There has been no talk I have heard that fits in the category of "new ideas". Yours are the first new ideas to come up. I can and will explore those ideas, if given the chance.
In two separate posts you have stated something along the lines that the politicians in this city have made huge mistakes in the past to put the golf course in the situation it is now. And you ask me to research these mistakes that are "on record". Please take what I'm going to say in a friendly manner. Is there a list of these mistakes? Come on, throw me a bone and point me in the right direction so I can get educated. Love to hear what you have to say about it.
You also asked me on the "kiss of death" blog "Why would you be against selling it [golf course] off to a private investor?". Back in July, I started looking into this possibility. I found a website that listed over 300 golf courses for sale in the US. In other words, there is a national glut of golf courses for sale. One of the primary figures in determining an asking price for "a business" is past revenues. As we know, the Desert Canyon Golf Course has never been profitable. In short, I don't believe a buyer could be found in the next few years. I'd rather see if our golf course can become profitable through better management and better marketing before having a fire sale. But bring in an investor with terms that would protect the City and our taxpayers and I'm sure the Mayor and Council would listen.
And I simply disagree with your contention, case_sensitive. The golf course is, in part, where it is because of very poor decisions made by our politicians in the past. Two negatives don't make a positive is all I'm saying.
Buckshot61:
I didn't miss this that portion of his paragraph at all.
That comment is clear and simple to understand, so long as you aren't looking for hidden meanings or trying to skew it to fit your own agenda.
It says that Mr. Bondy believes that the actual golf course users need to take on the entire burden for the cost of RUNNING the golf course.
Taken in context with his next sentence "For obvious reasons, increased user fees will never cover the cost of paying off the bond." and then the 3rd sentence after that "The bond payment will continue to be paid for by the taxpayers.", it is very clear, is it not?
Has this discussion become a personal vendetta against Mr. Bondy? If so, I'll bow out now since I've neither come out for or against his platform.
case_sensitive,
Here's another quote from Bondy's website:
Previously I said: "Golf course users need to take on a greater burden for the cost of running this business".
But now I think golfers need to take on the entire burden for the cost of running the course.
Guess you must've missed that.
Buckshot61:
Are you purposely trying to skew the facts in order to make your points?
Here is the direct quote from the Bondy website that was linked by Councilman Schroeder.
"As your candidate for the Mountain Home City Council, I will push to make sure the golf course operating expenses are covered completely by the users. The bond payment will continue to be paid for by the taxpayers."
That says that Mr. Bondy wants the operating expenses of the golf course to be covered by the users. And it also says that he wants the taxpayers to continue to pay the bond payment of, if I recall what I read, about $200k per year.
I actually like your ideas for bringing in younger people to the course and though I don't know why the Couples Night was discontinued, it certainly sounds like a possible way for users of the golf course to bring in more revenues in order to offset the $20k that the course is currently running in the red.
My tax dollars have been paying for the bond that created the golf course, as well the deficit each fiscal year since the course has never run in the black.
At what point do you finally say "enough" and stop making the entire town pay for your rounds of golf? (and no, I am NOT talking about paying the bond. Most of us have accepted that we have no choice in that matter and must pay it out of our pockets)
Will the golf course be able to at least break even by the time the bond is paid in full? Or once we've paid the bond will the course still expect all Mountain Home taxpayers to shell out money to cover its budget?
Surely you can see the dilemma, right? You aren't demanding that we simply pay the bond out of our tax dollars each year, you are also demanding that we taxpayers defray your cost of playing a round of golf, year in and year out.
We, the taxpayers, don't see an end in sight and that's what is upsetting. At least that's what upsets me.
Well Mr. Schroeder,
Mr. Bondy DID say that golfers should bear all the burden and he did so on the website you provided, giving me a reason to believe you either sympathized with or condoned this position. I get ticked off when I see councilpersons and would be councilpersons take the easy way out on anything, and it sure seems that raising fees is just that. It's much easier to do that than it would be to come up with incentives and programs that would draw people from around the area to play here. Raise the rates if you can, and then scratch your collective heads when rounds per year played starts to diminish because people have decided to play at the base or at some other course where they get more value for their money. And I know full well what's in the Idaho Constituion, Mr. Schroeder. It was used as just one example of how we are all taxed when we not all benefit from something. By the way.... a Constitution can always be amended, can't it? Raising prices on any good or service in a time when the economy is weak is a very precarious and risky policy. That is my opinion and undoubtedly the opinion of many others. Enough said.
Mr. Bondy,
You stated on your website that the golfers should bear ALL of the burden. That's where I got that. So if you now want to amend your statement with the golfers being responsible for the $20,000 that's in the red, just what number do you put on a round of golf, given the current rate is around $20? And I'm not running for city council, so I don't have a "plan". I'm merely stating my opinion on the matter. However, some suggestions might be to appeal to young kids (or anyone, for that matter) to come out and get a free or discounted initial lesson with the purchase of a greens fee. Reinstate a "Couples Night" on Friday nights with a meal and beverage afterwards. Make it easier for people to have tournaments there throughout the summer months, and make them FUN! The point is, there's so much you could be doing that isn't happening right now. The city has made some huge mistakes in the past with the golf course and that's on record. I just don't want to see anymore made that will put the final nail in the coffin. Raising rates to the point where it leaves you with diminishing returns has the propensity to be that nail.
Buckshot
Nowhere in my comments did I say what you attributed to me when you wrote that I think "...only the golfers should bear the burden of the golf course.". I have never once advocated that position. I have also been consistently opposed to rasing golf rates to the point they will have the detrimental effect you describe- driving golfers away. However, there is no valid hard empricial data as to what that 'too high' price is- neither you nor I know. What we do know is that the current revenue is not sufficient to cover costs, period. How much should continue to be borne by taxpayers is an open question worthy of debate and discussion.
Your school analogy fails. The Idaho Constitution declares the education of citizens vital to the functioning of our government and then mandates that education be paid by all taxpayers. Municipal Golf Courses come with no such constitutional mandate.
Buckshot...No sooner do I post a comment to you on the Mountain Home News "kiss of death" blog only to discover there is a debate raging here on the Banter Box.
I would like to ask if you could please post your plan to make the golf course profitable in the next 2 years. Some supporting data and Desert Canyon Golf Course demographics would be nice to see considering you think the national data is useless.
As far as your latest comment that I think "only the golfers should bear the burden of the golf course"???
My stand is: The 2011 balance sheet I received from City Hall indicates the golf course ran about $20,000 in the red. I ask only that the users take up the slack on this budget deficit. On the other hand, the entire taxpayer population of Mountain Home is fully and completely responsible for the yearly bond payment. In 2011, the Mountain Home taxpayer burden for the bond on the golf course was over $211,000.
Ah yes, sensitive_case. Of course you, Bondy and Schroeder are all for hiking up fees at the golf course. How about we extrapolate your attitudes further? How about we explore the option of making parents of school children foot most or all of the bill for the schools? I have no children in any of the schools here, yet I'm taxed just like everyone else is.
Now, before you take what I'm saying wrongly, I don't mind ONE BIT paying taxes that support our schools. What I'm attempting to point out is the folly of Schroeder's and Bondy's comments about how only the golfers should bear the burden of the golf course. I've met a lot of great kids out there, participating in a sport that teaches honesty and respect. I wonder what they'd be doing if they weren't out golfing, do you? Bondy did a great disservice of posting national statistics. They are about as far removed from the people that golf in Mountain Home as I've ever seen with respect to age, income, etc., etc.
Hiking user fees will negatively impact the golf course, not help us overcome the debt. The base has relaxed its regulations and have been working on improving the golf course out there. So, you raise the rates in town, and people will go out to the base and play. Once that happens, then what do you have? Does the tax burden go away or does the golf course run FURTHER into the red, and ultimately fail?
You, Bondy, and Schroeder should really rethink about what your policy would mean to not just the golfers, but the town, in general.
Buckshot:
I went to the Bondy website to read the "statistics" too.
Tim Bondy very clearly states that our course doesn't collect or maybe doesn't publish data and statistics, so he was using the National Statistics.
Not once did I read anything on his site that stated that OUR course has been flat for the past few years. If ours is thriving, as you suggest, then thank goodness we aren't trending the way the rest of the nation is, right?
It stills all comes back to the basic points though, which were very well stated by Councilman Schroeder and by Mr. Bondy. In short, the golf course has a $1.5 mil bond to pay off. That yearly payment does not come out of revenues generated by the golf course. In addition to that approximately $200k yearly payment, the golf course itself runs in the red by about $20 - $40k yearly.
I'm glad that you love the golf course and defend it and its users so well, but from a purely budget based standpoint, something needs to change in order to reduce the tax burden that each taxpayer pays per year for a golf course that they may or may not use.
I'm all for exploring every possible idea for reducing the debt and tax burden. So far the majority of the opinions I've read and heard in the last 2 months are that raising user fees might be a viable option to help defray costs.
If you have other ideas, why not add them here so we can all explore new directions?
Councilman Schroeder,
Bondy's "statistics" of golfers is an absolute joke! What the heck do you think we have here, a country club? Loved his stat about golf being basically flat, too! Our course has had increases in rounds played over the last several years. Stop looking at the course as an unmilked cash cow. It's NOT!
Buckshot:
The references made to "taxing the golfers" are backwards- the city taxes all residents, many non-golfers (and golfers, too) to sustain the golf course. What is being discussed are the fees charged only to golfers for golfing- that is not "taxing the golf course"- it instead is asking those who derive benefit from the golf course to pick up a larger share of the cost of that benefit than they currently do.
I think Tim Bondy has a very clear and well articulated position on the Golf Course and the substantial subsidy it receives year after year. You can read it here:
www.bondyweb.com
lower_case_VERY_sensitive,
Just caught your comment to my post. I'm glad you'd be willing to hike taxes on your hobby of cooking, provided of course, that we first give you all the latest technology and equipment to make your 7 layer cake. But....that's NOT what we have at our golf course. Our golf course doesn't even come close to the "latest" in golfing enjoyment. But it is OURS, and it's future depends on support, not looking at it as another way to fleece money out of the very people that want to support it. Had you really been paying attention to my entire post, you'd have seen I specifically stated that Mr. Ingram was incorrect about the fees charged.
What our golf course REALLY needs is proper management and fresh ideas to draw people IN, not heap more taxes on those that are currently using it. Our course has seen consistent increases in rounds per year for the last several years that I am aware. And it's not just "old duffers" out there playing either, it's teenagers, young adults, middle-aged adults, as well. Taxing the golf course supporters will simply translate to less rounds played, putting us further into the hole.
I hope most people of Mountain Home, whether they play the game or not, realize that having something like this here is an asset, not a liability. So, enjoy your kitchen, and I'll enjoy the golf course.
- Buckshot61
Just caught your reply to Mike Ingram's letter.
The city has every right to tax my hobby, just as soon as they put up a $1,000,000 bond to build my dream kitchen facility in the center of town.
They can even up my user fees if it means I get to go bake 6 layer cakes in a shiny new facility with all the Alto-Shaam ovens, Vulcan ranges, and top of the line appliances I need to satisfy my baking hobby.
My point is that very few hobbies are funded by our town and our tax dollars. Golf is a big one, and it's been sucking money out of our pockets for every year that it's run in the red.
So what should the town do to remedy that? Since you don't want user fees to go up, do you have any other ideas?
To Mike Ingram who wrote a letter about our golf course:
Perhaps you should actually get your numbers straight before you post a letter, Mr. Ingram. You stated that our golf course only charges $15 for a round when that is not the case at all. That $15 charge is an off season rate, something that many golf courses around the area do to keep golfers playing in the fall months. I do believe that a round of golf (in season) costs somewhere around $20 - $22, and a cart is $10 per occupant. Those rates are competitive with the rest of the courses around here. Mountain Home cannot charge cadillac prices because it's simply not a cadillac golf course. It's a nice course, but it lacks the aethetics and hazards many of the other golf courses in the area have.
Maybe we should tax whatever hobby you're involved in, rather than taxing a golf course that's shown increases in rounds played year after year? Just a thought.
I keep reading all these comments about the planes from base and how much noise they make. I have to chuckle because I hear the guard helicopters practing on a weekly basis far more than I hear the jets from base. I love hearing the sound of both as this means freedom and safety to me. I do not mind the noise of either. God Bless the USA and protect those that protect us.
OMG ! I seen that thing in the sky but I seen it back in August. It was after dark and I had stepped out with the dogs. I just happened to look up at the sky. It was speeding very fast, faster then any air plane in the sky I had seen and much bigger. It traveled East to West. I yelled for my husband so he could see what I was looking at, he said it was going about moc 10 speed....... It was huge!!
Old Guy -
I too saw the shooting object the other day. It was soaring much faster than a plane would be and then just disappeared. I knew I wasn't seeing things, but was traveling alone and couldn't "confim" it with anyone.
Well said, Eagle Eye!
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Oh WOW, I was out to the Base this morning. You won't believe those noisy F-15's where taking off and causing to much noise, guess that really upset the people living, working or visiting the Base. But one thing about it they were training so we enjoy our freedom, knowing they on the job doing that training. Heaven forbid if they fly over Mtn Home and bother wolf.
Unite and protest the Saudi basing here..
Does anyone know when Trick or Treating and the Halloween carnival are scheduled? I know they've always been from 6-8 pm, but in past years when Halloween has fallen on a weekday, they've sometimes opted to hold it on a weekend instead. I just wanted to double check.
Did anyone else see a shooting object over Mt Home Tuesday morning about 8AM or so? I saw it headed from West to East right over PFCU. I could not get the camera on my cellphone to work fast enough.
Imagine how many lives would be lost/wasted if nobody believed in an entity(God) greater than themself.
Imagine how many life's would be saved world wide if everyone would stop killing in the name of their respective God.
Nice post wolves, was first noted here last week, a direct quote from Al Jazeera. You really need to move into a cave in the hills.
Mountain Home is not outside Kabul
idahowantswolves, as a retired Air Force Air Traffic Controller, who by the way, was stationed at Mountain Home Air Force Base from 1975 to 1980, I wish to correct you in saying that the base has so much "training range out in the middle of know where with closed air space". With the exception of whenever the Saylor Creek Bombing Range is active, or the Paradise Military Operations Area (MOA) is active, NONE of Mountain Home's airspace is "closed". Restricted Areas, which is what the bombing range is covered by, is only "restricted" when it is active, when aircraft are practicing their bombing on the range. Same for the MOA's. Mountain Home's assigned airspace is never "closed" to anyone. Civilian and Military aircraft all use and transit this airspace. Landing at Mountain Home AFB IS restricted to Military or Government contracted aircraft only. Civilian aircraft have the Municipal Airport immediately southwest of town for their use. And unless the traffic patterns at the AFB have changed drastically since I was there, none of their planes should be any closer than 5 miles south of town. The RADAR pattern is south of the base. The Tower pattern is north of the base, but the aircraft stay within 5 miles of the base because that is the limit of the Tower's area of control. (And unless the base moved since I left, it should still be 10 miles from town).
To Signalman, no, they don't have to wait for their turn to land. The truth is, they are required to log so many landings/takeoffs, that they go around and around in the pattern.
Wolves, It is still all part of their training, and be thankful that it is actually a training base. I don't think you'd be complaining about the "noise" if your house was outside of the base in Kabul!
Mountain Home man killed when motorcycle leaves Highway 21
http://www.ktvb.com/news/Police-investig...
I appreciate the noise generated by our airmen...it helps drown out the noise generated by squawking chickens, bellowing beeves, barking dogs and whining uber-conservatives.
The Base has not been here longer than Mountain Home, thats a fact.
-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 10:30 PM
I don't see where anyone said the base has been here longer than Mountain Home. It was said the base has been here longer than YOU, that is a FACT!
@wolves----no I'm not deaf! I have just become accustomed to hearing jet noise! It's the sound of freedom and it doesn't bother me one bit! Sure would hate it if they had a viable terrorist target in a town/city and missed that target because they hadn't trained flying over towns/cities in order to pick out buildings, streets, etc.
The Base has not been here longer than Mountain Home, thats a fact.
signalman:::::::::Its called typing errors, stop being so rude, Its my right to post on here if I choose, just like yours. GO FLY A KITE!!!!
To idahowantswolves. First off, don't show your lack of education by submitting comments with such a large amount of spelling and grammar errors. Second, part of the reason the Air Force (Notice the use of capital letters?) flies in circles over the base/town is because, just like at an airport, aircraft have to wait their turn to land. There are many other reasons for delayed landings as well but, to be honest, you just need to deal with it or move away from the base. The base has been here longer than you.
Wolves,
Well that explains it all! First you complain about the base expanding by adding other squadrons, now about jet noise. But now I understand since you have been around Mtn Home for 4 decades. maybe you would rather the house and carriage return. Like it or not technology is here to stay. And the cost of Freedom may be a little noisy at times, but better than the alternative! We respect your age! And we Love the US Air Force adn all they do for us.
USAF jet noise is the sound of FREEDOM, enjoy it while you still can.
Maybe you didn't see how rude you came across in your little rant about the ONE DAY of jet noise we had. I can't imagine how you'll react if it happens again tomorrow. It's rare to have alot of noise here, so maybe you'll be kind enough to cut the soldiers some slack. And I'm genuinely sorry if you're ill and have a hard time seeing, but you obviously see and feel well enough to come here and complain so forgive me if I don't feel bad. I didn't know that being ill was an excuse to be rude and everyone else has to be nothing but nice to you. Or maybe I just hate sick people. That must be it.
uncommon sense ::::: now thats american......maybe its my typeing skills, maybe im ill and cant see, maybe ur just rude, is that plain english enough for you.
There was a severe misprint in the Mountain Home News concerning the spaghetti feed at the Elks Lodge this Friday night. You do NOT need to be an Elk or know an Elk to attend. It is open to the public. The spaghetti feed is this Friday night (October 21st) from 5 pm to 8 pm and the cost is $6 per person.
Judging by your grammar and spelling skills, I'm surprised you've been on the planet for 4+ decades.
the point is not being proud of the airforce, they are good, the piont is they have all a huge training range out in the middle of know where with closed air space ,,, its called trainning area, therrs no need to fly in circle's over mountain home, that why they wanted to expand their air space. it has nothing to due with the service or being proud of them. i have been here for over 4+ decades, born here, proud to be here, its the lac of coomon sence.
God bless the USAF!
idahowantswolves:
As you sit and complain about the "noise" of the aircraft overhead, why don't you thank them everyday for allowing you the freedom of speech! It would seem to be a small "inconvenience" for you to have to "put up with the noise". I very rarely hear the jets flying above and have lived on bases throughout the world to which a phone conversation was interrupted by the flying...but that is ok. I love it and I miss it! Move if you don't like it! Most others are grateful to know that they are here!
I am and forever more, a PROUD AIRFORCE SPOUSE!
Idahowantswolves,
Move your sorry backside out of here if you don't like it. Airbase was "probably" here before you, I would think. If you don't like planes then don't move where there are any. Don't move into an area that has something that 'you' don't like and then complain about it. Don't let the door outa here hit you where the sun don't shine.BYE BYE.
Nomad4 ....you must be deaf then, plus thats not the piont, thats why they have thier tranning range that comes with closed airspace for "TRAINNING" DUAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
CJW- There were good parts of Luna's plan, and certainly that provision was one of them. But the majority of the plan's mandates had negative effects.
@idahowantswolves---you live within 10 miles of an AF Base--duh! They are training!!! I didn't even realize they were flying above town until I read your comment!
why does the airforce find it nessacery to fly there jets in cicles over town all day today. with all the airspace they have closed off south of the base, northern nevada and eastern oregon. Dosent make much sence. And we really want more planes here, dont think so. Let them base the saudis planse somewhere else. Mountain Home does not want the noise, I sure dont and others sure dont, say no.
http://www.ktvb.com/news/Deadline-for-co...
Interesting article on KTVB site about Luna's education reform.
"One of the proposed rules requires district negotiations with personnel to conform to Idaho's Open Meeting Law. Under Luna's reforms, such talks have to be conducted publicly."
That doesn't sound too unreasonable to me... Why would these people wish to negotiate salaries paid with OUR tax dollars behind closed doors?
"There's also a rule clarifying how parents' comments are to be incorporated into teacher and administrator evaluations under changes that came with "Students Come First.""
Again not unreasonable, how many parents have you heard complain that their concerns regarding a particular teacher's behavior towards THEIR child was unacceptable yet year after year that same teacher remained on the payroll.
So THIS is the evil plan Luna hatched? Sure seems nowhere near as "rotten" "mean" "hateful" as so many implied....
Geoff: Why shouldn't idahowantswolves try calling the Streets Division @ 587-2109 to get the answer for his/her question?
idahowantswolves...6:30 PM, tonight at the Elks Lodge.
Councilman - what good would it do to call him, tried that a couple of times---same response its what the the 4 fourfarthers of this town wants they get, average people get the shaft.
wolves- What did the mayor say when you called to ask him about it?
I'm going to have to agree with Roy on this one. Boycot Albertson's. I rarely shop there any way, they're expensive. However, America needs to start putting Americans first for a change. Stop sending jobs to other places to boost their economy and send ours down the toilet. I say don't shop there at all until they wise up and start doing things the right way. The only downfall would be the jobs people might lose if business falls off. It's a dilemma. How else do we send a message to the businesses here that we are tired of them sending jobs to other places?
As for spelling and such, anyone who cares isn't worth worrying about. The message is important and as long as it comes across the right way, no one should complain.
why does the mountain home city street dept use tax payer time and money to sweep and gravel a private bussiness's driveway
Oh ya, before I forget; just a little friendly note: Please don't start fires and then complain about the size of the flames.
Can't decide between fox business news and the cartoon network. Oh well, same difference.
Got a great phone call last night from the online editor of the Tiger Tribune. The school paper took Best of Show AGAIN this year, and the 2010-2011 yearbook snagged Best of Show AGAIN. Great job everyone!! I'm so proud to say I graduated from MHHS!
I want wolves too..just bought my 1st Wolf tag.
Oh homeboy, it's not about who you talk to and what you say. Rather, it's about you continually claiming you won't respond to someone anymore and then responding to them. Keep your word man!
Family of Boise woman who died in fire seeking good home for her two dogs
Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/10/14...
AMAZING!!!! I try to "Buy locally", I practice buying locally for my job, and I recommend for everyone to buy locally. Today Albertson's announced they were be "outsourcing", taking jobs from "locally" to somewhere else. I think we should not shop in their store 1 day a week for a couple days, or even 2 days in a row to show them that they need us more than we need them. They do this and then when they have to shut down they can blame Wal-mart, all along brining it on themselves. OK Grammar and spelling police have at this. Just my thoughts for the day.
dave,
Just "happen" to run across that article on the al ja nasty jihad handbook web site? No question any more more about where YOUR attitude and loyalties lie is there?
Now it's time for you to spit out some lame attempt at an excuse or justification for why you would be trolling that site reading ANY article posted there.
What the video clips of contractors being beheaded that were edited for US television werent gory enough for you? Maybe some nice pics of US troop corpses burned and hanging from a bridge trips your trigger?
What will be the witty reply? a hearty "NU UH!" or maybe the standard lib retort "you suck!" maybe you could even try to imply it was all a plot to discredit you by the Tea Party.....
The AlJazeera.net article quotes a couple of local bloggers. Thought they might be interested.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/fea...
Want wolves, are you serious with your thoughts. Be real, they will bring in their own contruction workers! Maybe Mountain Home should bring in business instead of the AFB doing it. And bringing an end to the way we live! You aer probably watching "RED DAWN" as we speak!
It is so sad that we show such prejudice in this day and age. How do you know they want to have anything to do with you anyhow? Grow up!
If it goes like the Sings arrival, the town will get little to nothing. Not that the Sings didnt want to spend money, they just didnt want to be taking advantage of. The initial arrival of Sings spent money here in MH, but soon realized the customer service and quality was not to par with what was offered in Boise, so the main wave took their business to Boise. This went from car purchases to housing, which is sad, because MH does have a lot to offer, but service and quality will always dictate business. That being said the Saudis will follow suit, so MH really doesnt have anything to worry about.. right.
"Idahowantswolves".
What a name!!!!!!
With that name I won't even begin to try figure out anything he/she has to add to any further comments. I would almost bet he/she came from a southwest USA state.
the saudis being here will not bring anymoney to this town, there brining there own constuction workers, 300 400 of them, they will have there own stuff on base, all they will bring to this town is trouble and the end of they way we r
Yup.
Any one else upset about the Saudis making there way here?
WantsWolves--as the saying goes-America will not be taken from without but from within. The mindset of Americans like that of Yankezz will just open the door and let them in without ever giving thought to the repercussions, all for the sake of money. Here's a thought--instead of relying on the military to bring in foreigners to boost the MH economy maybe city officials could lobby American businesses to come and set up here!
Get over it WantsWolves. This will provide more income to our small, hurting town. Look around at the businesses closing, empty houses all over, etc... Whether they are English, German, Saudis, Singapore, more people in this town supporting our economy is a good thing. Means more jobs and houses sold/rented. If the military can get over the gay ban, you need to get with the times and get over the prejudice against people.
Who else is upset about the saudi baseing here, who would like to set up a protest on airbase rd and highway 51 to show our suport against it.
BTW, for those who voted in this weeks poll and said they would go back to using cash - if you do it right - you would probably save money and have less debt if you went on a cash basis. I have heard people are doing the cash basis and not only saving money, but paying off debt also.
JustMeAgain, go talk to the News staff I am sure if they have it, they can fix you up, I have done it in the past.
Does anyone know if and how a person can purchase back issues of the Mountain Home News?
There was no credit on my water bill either.
We TY did not use same amount of water this year as we did last year....patting ourselves on the back. But we had a leak last year. To us it is all comes out in the wash.
Opened water bill today. We received a $3.86 credit Bill was still more than $20 over last month's and we used about the same amount of water. Guess I can go buy a treat off the $1 menu at McDonald's now. LOL
Well thank you for that information. Looking forward to next month's bill.
No credit on my water bill.
I got my water bill today and there was a credit for a little over $10. I have a notebook I use to keep a record of all our bills and that makes it just about what it was last August.
Ah come on now councilman, Call City Hall and look for an answer to a question. Can't do that somebody may answer the phone and tell me the answer.
Its so easy to post here and see how many others want to comlain also, guess to many have forgot we live in an age, with phones(land Line) cell phones, computers that can do e-mail to City Hall.
Heaven for bid not just to post here instead of asking the right people the question.
We approved the credit at the last city council meeting. What did city hall say when you called to ask about it?
Just received the new water bill. I guess we aren't getting that credit they "were considering" to give after all.
Just wanted everyone to know I went back to the business in question and was treated fair and square. Thank you everyone for your helpful comments and support.
Nick Szafranski
Thank you Beau. Glad to see you back safely.
WB Beau, didn't know you were gone, just hadn't seen you post anything and was wondering what happened.
THANKS for keeping us safe and free Beau!!!!!
It's soooooo good to be home.
I think this is an interesting article. At least the writer does give numerical facts in his article regarding congressional voting. Interesting, I think.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/2...
Midea,
I tutor "at risk" kids in their efforts to get their GEDs. I have used Khan Academy on many occasions and find it to be tremendously helpful. Bill Gates brought the site to being for all to use free of charge. It is a tremendous tool for those who need help with math or science.
Just something that might interest some parents and teachers. I saw this on TV, have read about it in the past, and have played around with some of the program on the internet. I think this guy has a good program - in my opinion. Check out the Khan Academy. Type the name into the search engine in your browser and play around with his math program (he has other courses also. Kind of makes it enjoyable. It is all free, so have fun, enjoy, and check out learning online.
If anything, the site could be a great reference to use when a student is stuck on homework problem and mom/dad can't figure it out either.
Full synthetic oil change just cost me $37 @Thrifty in town. Shop around before you buy.
Dear Joe,
Thank you For your response and I am going to take it up with the business on monday.
Nick,
Maybe you should try being on the buisness end of the deal. If the purchase price goes up for the buisness it gets passed on to the customer. If you have an issue with what you paid maybe you should go to that buisness and confront them, not extend it to the world. Does not matter to me what you do. I just think that if you are a local buisness kind of buyer you would give that buisness a chance to defend themselves.
If you go back to that same OReilly's and ask they will tell you. There are 3 different price ranges. Cosumer off the street, retail for buisnesses and the mark up for buisnesses. Sounds fair to me.
Also I would not try to take your own product you bought and ask any shop to install. Would you buy a steak and take it to Outback and ask them to cook it? Not likley. This is how buisnesses make profit, called mark up. May be extreme in your case, not sure.
Good luck with whatever you decide. I for one will continue to give them my buisness, they are more than fair and equitable across the board.
InTheRough and mhg4316.....
Before you are so quick to judge mine, make sure your front porch is swept clean first. You don't know all the specifics of the frustrations that led up to my outburst, and it had nothing to do with playing time or playing any certain position. No, it wasn't the proper way to handle the situation and I admit that. Sure am glad that neither one of you have ever said or done something spontaneous and regretted it later. Glass houses.........well I'm sure you know the saying. As I stated before, I have watched, listened and supported every girl on that team for the past 4 years. I don't think I'm a bad sports parent at all, and I'm sure that people that really know me don't think so either - just one that was extremely frustrated from past and present incidents and one in particular that night that broke the camel's back, and I am accepting my consequences. I teach my daughter that everything you say or do has consequences, be they good or bad. But hey, everybody's got an opinion (I'm sure you know how that saying goes, as well)and you are certainly entitled to yours, even without all the facts. Just because someone has the title of "coach" does not give them free reign to mentally and emotionally beat our kids down without building them back up somehow. I don't emotionally beat my kid down and I will no longer let anyone else do it, either. When she's grown and on her own is a totally different story. Yes, they have to make mistakes and live and learn from them. We continue to learn from them everyday........unless one is perfect........but I have yet to meet that perfect person on this earth. If you know one, please let me know because I would be honored to meet them.
Rebecca Templeman....MOM
Now I gotta drive by.....
Gripe Friday: What does the sign say on the old Salvation Army now church building?
Did I do something that I need to be punished for?
I am a Taxpaying citizen of Mountain Home and will be making a generous donation to a church I do not attend or would probably ever be invited to.
But I do not appreciate being reprimanded every time I drive by
Have you read the Idaho Statesman today? Interesting article "Luna at White House for Obama Announcement".
Here is an excerpt for the article "..states like Idaho, Montana and South Dakota said earlier this year that they were fed up and made plans to reject the latest requirements for determining school progress under the law (No Child Left Behind) - even if the move toward noncompliance might put them at risk of losing some federal funding."
The Idaho State Board of Education approved the plan to reject the latest requirements. I guess Idaho can defy Federal Laws and by doing so further reduce our education funding. Are you kidding me!
So by that token I guess we can all just follow whatever laws we want and forget the rest, right?
Well I am fed up with Luna. We do not need additional cuts in education funding. Yes educators are frustrated with No Child Left Behind and we as a profession would like to see changes in this legislation as well.
But wait, didn't our legislature just pass education reform bills where educators and administrators from the Education Profession, came out in great numbers to address the Legislature with testimony against the reform bills and made recommendations on reform that was founded in actual research and based on models that work. But instead what we got was a legislature that passed these education reforms based on failed model and ignored the input of educators and administrators of how we could reform education that would actually work!
But we have such a uniquely qualified Superintendent of Public Instruction who holds an 18 month online degree in weights and measures who is running our schools.
Idaho has some of the highest requirements for obtaining a teaching credential in the nation, and yet we are at the bottom ranks in student achivement. Clearly it is not because our teachers are unqualified or that we have so many "bad" teachers.
And yet we wonder why Idaho is at the race to the bottom in education. I contend that it is our state administration and legislation that is unqualified.
MOM,
You should be ashamed of yourself honestly..Im sure your daughter was mortified at the entire situation. In sports, just like in life, kids learn that theres always someone better and no matter how hard you try and effort you put in, sometimes you dont always get to play. Its a competition and no matter what way you say it, it is always about winning. The kids learn alot of valuable lessons from participating in sports that can be carried into their adulthood. So when shes on her own and working hard trying to get that promotion and its given to someone else are you going to march your butt into the boss' office and yell at them too??? Grow up and let your child figure it all out rather than humiliating her because no doubt that you did...You only hurt the situation. My son plays lots of sports and while he pours his heart and energy into being the best he can be, he doesnt always get to play where he wants...but I would NEVER interfere in that. These coaches spend hours and hours with our kids and deserve a big thank you for all they do. You need to learn to control yourself. You are teaching your daughter nothing from this, except for how NOT to behave.
Roosterz - 2 entries that both deserve a comment
Your American Job entry - Did you notice that the person only owned overseas items? If someone expects to get an AMERICAN job, support the system and BUY AMERICAN. If you don't buy it, then don't complain when there aren't any jobs.
MOM Entry - Screaming at a coach and AD in front of the Public draws unwanted attention to your DRAMA. Your message might be better received if you have a group with the same concerrns, instead of SCREAMING it in a public domain. If you used the same tone as in your posting as you did in public, I can see why you are a bad example of a sports parent. Get it together, and be an adult. No one wants to hear the message when it's being screamed. You are an adult, act like one.
And while I'm "sharing" today, why is it we are so afraid to stand up for our country, ourselves or our children??? If we don't make a change in our perspectives and priorities, we may all be at the bottom of the world food chain, so to speak, one day. Got this in my email today....
John Smith started the day early having set his alarmclock (MADE IN JAPAN)for 6 am ..
While his coffeepot (MADE IN CHINA) was perking, he shaved with his electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG).
He put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA), designer jeans (MADE IN SINGAPORE)and tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA).
After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet (MADE IN INDIA) he sat down with his calculator (MADE IN MEXICO) to see how much he could spend today.
After setting his watch (MADE IN TAIWAN) to the radio (MADE IN INDIA) he got in his car (MADE IN GERMANY) filled it with gas (FROM SAUDI ARABIA)
and continued his search for a good paying AMERICAN JOB.
At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day checking his Computer (MADE IN MALAYSIA), John decided to relax for a while.
He put on his sandals (MADE IN BRAZIL), poured himself a glass of wine (MADE IN FRANCE ) and turned on his TV (MADE IN INDONESIA), and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job
in AMERICA??
AND NOW HE'S HOPING HE CAN GET HELP FROM A PRESIDENT (MADE IN KENYA).
tiger87, whoever you are....Do you have a child on this coach's team and repeatedly watched her over several years constantly yell at them on and off the court??... Providing very little, if any, positive feedback or reinforcement??... Had parents from other teams ask you "What is wrong with your coach??"... Tried in the past to diplomatically meet with the coach and talk to the AD to only have your child sit on the bench the rest of the season for expressing concerns, and have the AD totally wash his hands of these concerns??... Have a coach that plays favorites to two players on the team who obviously don't want to be team players because they knock down their own team members just to get their hands on the ball because all their parents care about are the stats??... Had other teams' parents ask who these two girls are that constantly barrel down their teammates??... Had your child yelled at and pulled by this coach when she busts her behind to get a ball that someone else shanked when they cut her off, but nothing said to the other girl, usually on the the favorites?? Have you had a child in this situation who once loved a game so much and is good at what she does, now feel like she can't do anything right to please this coach, and that her self-esteem playing in this sport is so low that you cannot, no matter what you do or say, bring her back up?? Well I have!!! These kids play because they love the sport. These coaches should be positive, helping these girls. I've sat and watched for the fourth year, girls that are so afraid of making mistakes and standing up for themselves because of the repercussions of being yelled at, running and harder conditioning during practices after they lose a game or not getting to play at all. Did ya ever stop and wonder why Mtn Home Volleyball has been at the bottom of the food chain in conference for the past 3 years?? We, as volleyball parents have to sign a contract at the beginning of the season that we will be positive for our girls. Why is it that coaches don't have to live up to the same expectations?? Why is it that these coaches seem to have free reign to beat our kids down while we just have to sit and watch for fear of retribution on our kids, and try our darndest to pick them back up?? I agree it was a great game and it is sad that all the years frustrations came out to play the way they did, and I am especially sad that I embarrassed my daughter the way I did and that is for me and her to work out, but I will in no way apologize to you or anyone else for saying what many have expressed. Guess i just have bigger cahunas than some. And you bet your patutti I was wearing a Mtn Home Tiger shirt, because I have sat and supported and cheered for every girl on that team for the past 4 years, regardless of how they were doing or who they were, as I sat and watched some other parents only cheer for their girls. My child has done her best and busted her butt for this coach for 4 years, just to sit and get her position stripped when she makes no more mistakes than anyone else on that team!! Heck no! I had totally had it!! Enough is enough!!
Rebecca Templeman....aka MOM
Anyone know if Windjammer Cable will be airing the BSU game this Saturday, the 24th? If so, which channel? I certainly hope they are!!!!!!!
Its been a while, so how about an update on the possible Saudi squadron coming to Mountain Home? Anybody else notice the stunning silence? There was an article in the base newspaper back in June that basically said that the Saudis had to agree to the terms of the contract by the end of June, or else the entire weapons buy would have to be renegotiated. That was over two and a half months ago and we've had no notice that the Saudis have agreed to anything, nor has there been any mention of the weapons buy going back into renegotiation. I'd have thought that with the size of the contract we would have heard something either way. My guess is that the Saudis haven't tired of watching our government do back flips for them. Since it appears our elected officials would rather appease than hold someone to a contract how do you think us little folks will fare if/when this thing goes through? Some on base still consider them coming here a sure thing. Have they asked for any input? Have there been any scoping meetings or even an ability to provide comments? Not so much. I hear there's a Saudi delegation coming to town this week, yet that isn't exactly being advertised anywhere. My original predictions remain. We are going to get railroaded on this, and its not going to be a good deal for Mountain Home.
I just got home from watching a great volleyball match at the high school. The Tigers won in a very close match. However, I was taken aback when one of Mountain Home's "fans", complete with an orange shirt with Mountain Home across the front, came down onto the court after the Tigers WON and began screaming at Mountain Home's coaches. When the Athletic Director intervened, she started yelling at him. She continued to yell at him until he tried to escort her out of the building. She returned and started arguing with some of the parents who were there supporting their daughters, at which point they asked the AD to get her out again. She was also throwing this fit in front of the entire team and coaching staff from Columbia High School. I was completely embarrassed by her behavior.
It is really sad when someone does that... especially when she is supposedly there in support of the WINNING team.
The school district states the reason for the fundraiser decision as being to relieve the unemployed parents of the responsibility to participate for their family's sake, then you have business complaining, then community members...which is it? Is our community that disconnected.
Many fundraisers bring elementary children to places [field trips] like local banks, town libraries, the town museum, Bruneau Dunes and the observatory, Hagerman Fossil beds, the Discovery Center, etc. As a reminder, these are all directly linked to education with no money out of the district pocket. I for one am supportive of elementary school finding a way to fund themselves...the district can't do it.
I have a high school child who pays for each individual sport, cheerleading uniforms, spirit packs, parking passes, and the majority of classes to include Physical Education. The district gets money from each student [parents] through the schools daily operation to include sports...why do they need even more fundraisers?
In these times of district/education budget cuts, many elementary schools RELY on these fundraisers to supplement for what they [the district] will not provide.
If anyone is putting a strain on the unemployed parents it's the district and their policy to single out one school in the district to succeed and let the others falter due to a lack of district support and positive community representation. Why do we need 2 school superintendents anyway? Is it true that there was a position made just for the superintendent's wife? Other school district are encouraging schools to fend for themselves because of the budget cuts...not ours!!
I don't understand. Looking for a clearer picture of the truth.
I graduated this year...As I said. Not once.
And what I'm saying is that people are very quick to blame the high school for the district's issues.
since you have graduated and dont live here anymore, things change. I dont hate the HS just stating facts.
In my years as a student of MHHS, we never had a school specific fundraiser, so I don't know where you're getting all this hate for the HS getting "as many as they want".
There are several clubs at MHHS that do not use school (aka taxpayer) funds to operate. Debate, student council, any theater program, gsa, bible club, spirit club, etc.
Each club can and usually does fundraisers throughout the year so that they can continue to offer those opportunities.
I wasn't talking about kids coming and asking for sponsors for a spellathon. I was under the impression the kids were just asking for money. Asking for sponsors and "Hey, can we have some cash?" are two different things. I thought she was talking about the second.
Right now Hacker is having their one and only fundraiser. It is the spell a thon. The kids are asking for donations. So what if they are not the greatest sales people. The money is probably going toward those things. so donate a couple bucks. If you dont know, all the elementary schools are only allowed one fundraiser this year. The high school gets all they want. Dont look for book fairs at the lower levels cause that is a fundraiser.
Sounds like a couple of little scammers trying to get some money for themselves... I hope you didn't give them anything.
They asking for Cash..
Are they selling things or just asking for cash on the spot?
Ok it is September 15th... 3 days in a row after school we have kids from ages of 10 to 12 ring our door bell asking for money for books..ex..math books..what ever you can donated. What the heck? My kids never went from door to door begging to have books. We are paying our taxes!
Nice to see McKenna school is once again saving the school some money while teaching - all at the same time. Teaching students a new trade, and providing the school with something it needs. Good job McKenna. Awesome job to the students.
cantjustwatch, I have to agree with you and echo what you said. At times, I laugh at how things are reported, take the last paragraph of the story about Anne's drowning. Really? A Vodka bottle was found at the scene and no one claimed it? I wonder who does the proof reading of these stories. Why is it necessary to print charges after her death? They mean nothing, it means nothing. She's dead!
I have lived here for over 19 years, and occasionally comment on this banter box. I am in no one's "inner circle" in this town, and happily so; and I'm pretty certain that I don't personally know any of the folks that do comment on here, or the Mtn. Home News staff. Referring to "justcantwatch" questions regarding not being able to comment on high-profile cases on this site vs. Kelly's editorial comment about "complaints" regarding same issue - I have read both and in no way interpreted "justcantwatch" comments to be a complaint. Not sure why Mr. Everitt decided it was a complaint. Seemed a little agressive and targeted on his part to publicize it as such. I'm certain a simple explanation would have sufficed. Bad day, maybe? Personality conflict? Small town, who knows?? Think just a plain 'ole explanation would have sufficed from Mr. Everitt.
Kelly... WOW!!!
From your latest "Editor's notebook"
"This week we had some of the anonymous bloggers on our website COMPLAIN that we weren't allowing comments on a couple stories"
"COMPLAIN"???
Here is MY QUESTION I posted:
"Can I ask a question please that may have been answered previously?"
What part of PLEASE answer a question is a complaint?
You want a COMPLAINT here is a COMPLAINT for you......
You have the time to write little editor's notebooks calling questions complaints but you cant seem to find the time to EDIT your paper and remove COURT NOTES about a deceased person!
Was it truly important that after Anne was gone you posted those court notes this week? Would it have been THAT DIFFICULT to show some respect for her family and friends and skip those?
I did a lot of stupid things when I was younger, still do sometimes. I am sure my father was not proud of me, but I thank God he still loved me and never gave up on me.
The girl from the Taco Johns robbery, her father must be so proud.
Not sure about why you can comment directly on some articles and not on others. When they are not enabled on an article the comments end up in the BB on the front page instead of a linked article.
MHN,
Can I ask a question please that may have been answered previously?
Why is it when you post articles that could become very heated subjects of debate you disable commenting? I know I have a "guess" as to why and that would be that you were probably contacted by legal personnel (lawyers) and asked to do that to prevent heated debate possibly tainting THEIR trial they wish to conduct.
anywhere near correct?
I was at the parade Saturday and was a little disapointed at what appeared to be a couple of military guys (from their hair cuts and other observations) that totally need to go back to school and learn proper respect for the flag.
As the parade started and MOST everyone stood in respect, to include the lady near me in a WHEELCHAIR. I watched as these two sat in their chairs talking as though the flag means nothing and they could have cared less.
These where not some teenagers that you might think maybe they don't know but two guys around 30 years old that should know the proper respect. Maybe the 80 year old lady that stood up from her wheelchair could teach them something.
The DISRESPECT was sad to say the least.
I attended the parade on Saturday and was so disappointed at the conduct of people when the flag passed by. The parade is to show have much we appreciate the base. My question is how come people show no respectfor our flag. We still have the greatest flag and country,in the world and it seems to me we should give the flag the repect that it deserves.
Be sure your volume is turned on for this.
NEVER Forget!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtCCvduQm...
lilmissmelmo,
Very Small world in deed !! I will be sure to drop you and firecat a line when I land in your neck of the woods again!
:) Dawn
You have no clue how bad its gotten Mnthomeless. Im spending time with my children each day ensuring they are getting "educated" properly, once I found out how bad the education system has gotten. And they have realized after a month or two of this, how bad its gotten. I foresee in a generation or two, it will be simple to take away civil liberties, since most people wont know what they are giving up or lost. Sad, truly sad, but Rome fell right???
WOW!!! So while I was picking up all the dollar bills and candy being thrown from the parade floats something caught my eye. As the patriotic float drove by declaring the support for the military vets, painted on the side was a phrase that honestly kinda made me laugh. Support ARE veterans. Really Mountain Home!!! So just a heads up people who made the float the phrase is support OUR veterans it's a little sad nobody caught that one. Im not sure we can blame the education system for that can we. Either way made me laugh just a little.
As always spare a dime?
Rocklady,
I live in Norman now! What a small world we live in!
I've been keeping up with the conversation. I'm so sorry you were treated that way. :/
Firecat,
Perhaps I will do just that since I have some family in Norman, Oklahoma. I appreciate the dialect and wish you well ~ Dawn
Rocklady
Thank you for your honesty and response to my letter.I am so greatful that we live in a country where we can state our feelings and opinions openly. I am sorry for the loss of your father even though it has been 11 years, as the death of a loved one is always hard. If you ever make it to Slapout, Oklahoma ( it is in the panhandle) please look me up and I will buy you a soda. Best of luck to you in all you do. Cathy
Firecat,
I too love my father immensely. I have missed him everyday for the last 11 years that he has been gone. He helped polish my moral code and gave me a lifetime of guidance. I understand your point, and I do not doubt that your father is a wonderful father to you. With that said, please know that my response is honestly how I feel, and that I have a lot of respect for the effort to keep your father's reputation in tact. I would do the same if it was my own father....but family ties aside, my letter to you is truley how I feel about the situation. This is my last discussion on the matter and the only reason why I replied was because you addressed me personally. Sincerely, Dawn
Firecat,
Thank you for giving me a window into your Father's persona...it is unfortunate that he decided to share a different side with me. Your father completely humiliated me in front of an entire lodge by first becoming verbal aggressive when we were face to face, and then topped it off with a pleasant explicative for the most everyone to hear. I was then given a wave of the hand as he dismissed me when I defended myself and never returned to the lobby.
I paid for a service, and received a heck of a lot more than I bargained for, and the one simple thing that would have erased it all from my memory bank was a meager apology...a gesture of respect in the wake of an unfortunate melt down, yet it never came from him or any other volunteer. He said his peice in front of atleast 40 people and walked out leaving me to face the jeers. Not even the staff stepped in to rectify the situation. I was treated like an outcast. Keep in mind, this is the same staff who had commented to me that I am always so quiet, and even thanked me for my honesty when I notified them that I had been given 10.00 too much on one of the games that I had won.
Wow did that all melt away when they came to the defense of the caller! It was as though I was attempting to sack the quarterback! This is a customer service complaint, and a valid one. Ironic how I am being asked to consider the 51 years of compassion and integrity that this man has shown you, but not a single Elk has lended me the same consideration. I sat there for over an hour in tears and frusteration after this occured because I couldn't stomach losing my dignity and my money all in one night!
It is unfortunate that he was bothered by the other players, but he has enough age and wisdom to know how to shrug it off.I was a caller for the Bingo hall on Airbase road and serviced the same patrons that seemed to be the root of his frusterations, so I have the capacity to fully empathize with his situation, but the lashing that I got really crossed some pretty fundamental boundaries on how you treat a paying customer, a guest within the lodge, a human being, and even a lady.
I have been insulted in just about every possible manner by this situation...first by the event itself, and second, by all of the Elks affiliates that threw their verbal daggers at me on this forum regardless of the facts. I have been called "uneducated, immature, and even a blight on the community"....I was even promted to move to another state. All this energy in defense of someone that made a mistake, yet no effort to hone that energy on making ammends.....really says a lot don't you think?
Where is your fathers apology?? where is the Lodge's apology?? I am capable of taking an undeserved verbal beating and shrug it off as long as I am helped back up to my feet and given a good handshake. Your father verbally beat me down and left me there to lick my wounds. Not even the other volunteers came to my aid and now I am fending off verbal attacks from people like JHF. So unfortunately actions have always spoken louder than words, and I'm not so sure your loving depiction of an honest and caring man is convincing when I have been verbally punched in the face by him and all of his associations for the last three days.
Dear Rocklady
I am very sorry that you were "yelled" at while playing Bingo at the MH Elks Lodge on Wednesday and while I was not there and did not witness the incident please allow me to say a few words about the caller
I have personally known the man for 51 years. He is a man of integraty, honesty, and has a great love for the MH Elks Lodge and Ekldome as a whole. He has taught me to respect others, my family and myself. He has devoted 30 years to the Lodge a has held many offices in the local and state level including the Idaho State Presidency.
At the end of the day he is still human, he makes mistakes like we all do. He is NOT A BAD APPLE he is my father and like it or not he has his not so shining moments. Like I said I was not there, but I DO KNOW my father and I know he will do what he thinks is right. Thank you for allowing me to share a little about my dad
Agreed US, its sad when a person is expressing their frustration with a situation and gets lashed here too. Seems like its an on going thing here in MH, I have only found a few places where "good service/good deed" is the norm. I know the Elks are a good organization, but you would think they would have wanted this issue to have gone another direction. JHF, if your the "norm" for this "tight knit" community, I can see why people are looking elsewhere for homesteads. I would hope your not the norm and good people are plenty, but only time will tell.
Lol I just had a vision of JHF sitting in his Bently wearing a smoking jacket, top hat and monocle. "Jeeves, would you please take dictation for me, I must puff myself up online while attacking someone else's maturity regarding and incident I did not witness. Make sure to mention my advanced degree from a well-known university. That makes me more mature than the general population, right? Right? Jeeves, where'd you go?"
It appears that JHF has expanded his/her mind so much it's brain fell out. OOOhh you qualify for MENSA, where may we build an altar to you? I am sooo impressed I can't even believe I'm in the presence of such greatness. lol I'd rather be surrounded by stupid, decent people than smart, egotistical jerk-wads any day... Also, I donate to charity, does that mean that I can treat people like crap?
Well said Yinny, well said. JHF you called into question RLs intelligence an maturity, which she responded by letting us know shes well rounded, not ignorant as you presume. It sounds more like you'd fit into an impersonal city, since you have no empathy or sympathy to understnad any situation outside your narrow field of view, maybe that advanced degree has something to do with it. It sounds as though she knows exactly how great life can be if shes started a non-profit organization for veterans, that seems pretty self actualized to me, being able to share freely with others. And stating you would not have argued, I find that very hard to believe, since now all your doing is arguing and for what, an issue you were not at or related to. For someone so highly educated you seem to be very lowbrow, but again that advanced degree may have something to do with it.
Just Having Fun,
If that were really true about you, why would you insert yourself into this issue now? Come on, now, isn't that more characteristic of a "...truly self actualized person, happy in themselves..."?
"Life is hard enough, don't be a jerk." ~Henri Nouwen
Dear Rock Lady,
Glad you are working on your degree. I've held an advanced degree from a well known university for 30 years. Hopefully getting your degree will allow you to mature and also not depend on what you've done related to your husband's group and YES my father was an Elk (elsewhere)and I do know what they do. Perhaps California or New York is a better fit for you rather than Mt. Home. It sounds like you'd fit in better in large, impersonal cities unlike the closeknit Mt Home. With military this may not be an option right now but something to think about. Keep working on your degree...it expands the mind. I'll go my degree and intellect against you any day. Can YOU qualify for MENSA? Take it easy, calm down and keep trying to expand your horizons. You'll be surprised how great your life CAN BE if you keep an upbeat attitude. BY THE WAY...I would not have argued, if I'd been there (and I do not play bingo) I simply would have left if I was unhappy, one who stays is only there to make trouble. A truly self actualized person, happy in themselves will simply get out of the situation.
Scoutin-Thank You for having the capacity to read what I wrote and understand the situation before passing judgement. The compassion is welcomed.
Just Having Fun, I do not doubt all of the charitable support that the Elks provide, but I do doubt the level of compassion, respect, and humility that certain volunteers of the Bingo Event hold for its patrons. It seems as though you are quite familiar with the lodge and perhaps you are a personal member of which I commend you...but it seems as though you yourself are "immature", "uneducated" and "childish" with your callous name calling. I am successful in my personal and professional life. Your reference to my possible lack of education is quite comical being that I have an extensive business background in the financial industries as well as civil litigations and have spent the last 6 years working on my degree alongside some of the most well known doctors in the field of geolocial research which likely surpasses your own educational background.
The point is this...I did not interrupt, interject or "butt-in" as I keep being accused of. It matters not that the man in front of me was confused and irritated over the same question....he didn't get an answer, and I was next in line so I asked the question for my OWN clarification. I asked the question respectfully, and never raised my voice. I was spoken to with absolutely no respect at all, and was on the receiving end of his nasty explicative whereby he stormed out of the room never to return. I waited for an apology or even a discussion and none took place. Just as you are permitted to slander my intentions, I am permitted to publish the truth. Say what you want JHF, but I hold true to the fact that if the caller was so irritated with banters from the front row, then he should have dealt with the front row. By not owning up to the fact that he disrespected me publically. it added credence to the fact that it could happen again to another innocent bystander.
But keep up the attacks...just reaffirms what I experienced the other night...that these wrong doers, and their counterparts, will run like a pack of Wolves instead of a pack of Elks who are there to service and support the community. Interesting how you dubbed me a "blight on the community" yet I too have helped service members and veterans, and even spent time establishing a non profit organization for wounded warriors overseas while my husband was serving in Iraq...so don't you dare attack my character or intentions. You have no leg to stand on.
I am not hear to banter about fundraising. I am not hear to question the level of funds that the Elks Lodge provides to children, veterans and education. I am questioning the level of respect and mental fortitude that certain volunteers of the bingo event have. And YES, I will let my military connections know of the harassment that occured and is STILL occuring, for something that was undeserved, because it is the truth and it is my right to do so. But keep the personal attacks flowing JHF....it seems to be the Elks mission statement this week.
JHF, I dont think you read her banter, she did not butt in on something, she went up to the caller "at" intermission and asked a question about the next game, nothing on the topic of the arguement between the caller or the people sitting in front of her. And "take a chill pill", right, your totally right, she "paid" to play "a service" and was accosted for an issue she was not involved in. So, again your totally right, she should take a backseat and take a lashing for a service she paid for, seriously. Your telling me in your banter, you would stand there and let someone lash out at you in front of a group of people and yell an explicative at you after you have paid to be there, again Im sure you would nod smartly smile at said yeller and thank them for berating you in front of total strangers for something you didnt cause them to be angry about. I think she did the grown up thing and didnt lash back, she told the person not to speak to her that way and went back to her seat, hoping for an apology for something she didnt deserve, yup, sounds like a childish action to me. You right Im sure those "military contacts" will tell her the Elks do a lot for the community and veterans, but Im sure they would also say, that the individuals actions were uncalled for and not becoming of Elks standards, which you say she needs to come "up" to. I do believe she has, by not making more of a scene of said callers tantram of "sub-par" Elks standards. I would hope the Elks address this individual since this sounds to be an on-going issue with them, I would hate to see a good organization be stained because of one bad apple, which we all know happens all the time.
(This is my second try to post a comment to ROck Lady. The first just froze and eventually disappeared. I am sorry if something similar shows up twice.)
Rock Lady, Take a chill pill. Bingo is. afterall a GAME, run by volunteers at a local lodge. These volunteers are the ones in charge, not those of you who chose to butt in the conversation or otherwise gain control to your advantage.
I'm sorry that something so trivial can upset you to that extent. It is time to grow up into a mature individual because life will have far worse to throw at you. I do not know if you are just immature, unknowledgable or a trouble maker but it is time you rethink your need to damage this group, or any group, that does so much for us citizens.
You mentioned military contacts. I am sure those "contacts" will tell you that the Elks started the first hospital dedicated to caring for veterans. That they play bingo and buy needed items for veterans. That they have programs for active duty as well as for the children of deployed soldiers. You may not know these things but I bet your "contacts" do as well as many of us whose lives have been touched by these programs. The money from charitable bingo goes to these programs. Aren't you ashamed of trying to hurt such things with your banter?
The Elks also help kids. They have a basketball shoot, a soccer shoot, they give out dictionaries and SCHOLARSHIPS. They help Special Olympics and 4-H at times, too. You really want to continiue banter that hurts these things? You are DAMAGING the community.
They also help the Elks Hospital in Boise. Many local citizens have gone there for help. I hope you NEVER have to use that facility but I know they'd welcome you if you did. My family has seen that personally, also.
Whether through ignorance, meanness, immaturity or perhaps the prompting of others, you are a blight on the community! It is a GAME, treat it as such! NOW calm down and go do some good in the community. See if YOU can come up to Elks standards...yes, I said UP! Some of us have personally benefitted from their programs! Will the citizens of Mt. Home see any benefit from her attempts to hurt a charitable organization or will they write to help her gain knowledge and maturity!
Its good to hear poor customer service triumphs again here in lovely MH. So, Netters you think that RL should go back next week to see "if" the caller will maybe apologize for being a rude bully to a lady who had a simple question. I know in my line of work professionalism is paramount, so I find it sad that said caller would lash out at someone who wasnt even involved in his little tiff with another person, that sounds like has been going on for some time. Seems to me said caller should have delt with the "real problem" rather than bottle it up and hammer down on someone not even involved, but I digress. It comes down to poor customer service on the callers part ALL that way around. And if the caller didnt apologize immediately, well that just says he feels he was in the right. And why should she stay around until they turn the lights out waiting for an apology that obviously wouldnt come, it sounds as though all the workers there could have done something to recover for the callers lashing, but decided it was in the best interest of the Elks Lodge to do nothing, sounds like a great organization. All in all, it was an episode that one; should have never happened, professionlism first and second; could have been recovered, but was instead left to melt down. Amazing how one person can bring down an organizations reputation. Way to go Elks Lodge, great customer service, keep up the good work.
Thank you for your clarification Netters...but you did mis-hear what I said last night. I shouted "you do not have to talk to ME that way"...I said nothing in defense of the other player.....perhaps that is why you thought that I butted in.
But I do understand what you are saying about displaced anger, and I think we have all made the mistake of snapping from time to time. I realize we are all human, but in a professional environment it is important to keep emotions outside and to respect your patrons. I gave him plenty of time to come back and discuss the issue and instead he fled and never returned.
Rocklady...with that bit of info that you just gave the only summation Ican come up with is maybe you were right about the fact that he had been severely irritated due to the other player complaining about the prior games and not winning or something being amiss, and you asking a simple question to clarify the small cross game. I now can understand how upset you had gotten. And to clarify something I an NOT one of the staff members who was working bingo last night but a mere long time bingo goer. I do know the caller was severely ticked off and needed to severely cool down. That is why I am suggesting you go next week to see for yourself if he does offer an apology. This particular caller is a lot of fun every week he calls bingo and there may have been some underlying issues that may deserve some explaining on his part. But you're never going to know if that happens if you just run away. Have you never inadvertently snap at another individual for no reason except that they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time whether it was a friend, family member or co-worker? I do know the other player had been doing quite a bit of complaining and the caller had just had enough, which does happen to people from time to time.
You do have the right to ask a question to clarify a game that isn't what I am saying at all. But when you hollered "you don't have to talk to him that way" to the caller he was standing there in front of the other player that he was already having issues with then you asked your question about the next game and hence the yelling began. As an observer it just seemed like an unfortunate situation that didn't have to happen. The one thing is two wrongs don't make a right. Wrong #1 was when the caller let is irritation with the other player get to him that way and wrong #2 was when you hollered at the caller. This is the first time that something like this has happened and I am not going to sit here and say it may not happen again. But for as long as I have known both the caller and the other player this has been building for quite some time. Tempers flew in the wrong plavce at the wrong time and that is unfortunate too.
I understand that you sat there for an hour waiting for an apology, but would you want someone to come and apologize still ticked off? To me that would have been an unsincere apology. That is why I suggested to go next week to see if that happens. Just go and don't buy your cards until you have the chance to see if all the caller needed to do was severely cool down or not. I am sure you would rather have a sincere apology than an unsincere one.
Even though you were severely upset, why didn't you stay afterwards to confront the caller? You stated that one of the workers made the comment that he was her husband so he couldn't have gone too far since he had to take his wife home.
Again, I can understand how upset you were by the incident that took place, but can you at least understand the situation the caller was in as well? Yes, it may have been unprofessional and wrong place to snap but when a person has had to put up with this particular player and his never ending complaining he did just that he snapped and you were in the line of fire. Everyone has done that a time or two in their life. An individual can only take so much crap until enough is enough.
Hopefully you will be there next week.
Netter...I am a bit perplexed as to how I "butted in on an ongoing situation" ? I approached the caller and asked a question in order to clarify my confusion, whereby I was shouted at. No one was yelling at the caller, no one was angry with the caller...so please pray tell why I was deserving of a verbal lashing for asking my FIRST question whereby everyone else was spoken to with respect? Just because I asked a similar question to another player does not mean that I butted into anything. Ironically, the other gentleman was spoken to with complete respect dispite his ongoing complaints, I (who was totally silent) was attacked upon asking a SINGLE question.
So your telling me that I am not permitted to ask a question pertaining to the clarity of a game?
And that I deserved to be spoken to by this man because he had apparently been asked a similar question by someone else?
Sounds to me like you are one of the elks employees that is merely trying to cover your backside. And to be clear....if I was 6'2 and weighed about 250 pounds (as the other man who apparently asked the question before me did), I would have been given a heck of a lot more respect. But being a lady perhaps commanded no respect at all.
I did not speak a word to this man prior to this attack and asking for clarity does not justify the verbal attack that I recieved...irregardless of how many other people may have asked the same or similar question before me.
To clarify, NO I do not need to attend next week to work things out. I sat there for an hour and waited for an apology, and the man never came back, while the other staff members bumbled around acting as though I would disappear too if they simply avoided looking at me.
Immature, disrespectful, cowardly, and UNPROFESSIONAL. When you spend 50.00 you are entitled to ask a question and not be taken down at the knees...doesn't matter how many people may have asked the same or similar question before me.
In response to Rocklady and her experience at the Elks Lodge this evening, I too was at bingo tonight and witnessed what had happened. In the very beginning of all of the uproar the caller was addressing issues with a player who has been going to bingo every week for a very long time. This player has something to complain about every single week and is never happy unless he wins (which he gets a tad upset when he doesn't and lets the caller whomever that may be for the night know about it). When the caller raised his voice to you was after you had butted in to the problem that has been ongoing for some time now with that particular player...you should never have offered your two cents into what was going on between them it was none of your business. The player knows how the diagram of the game in question is played. Maybe on one hand the caller should have apologized but on the other hand you yourself should have tried to apologize for butting in where it didn't concern you. If you decide to go play bingo elsewhere that is your decision and we will be sad to see you go since we normally have a great time at the Elks Lodge bingo. In my opinion only I feel you should attend bingo next week and possibly try to talk to that particular caller and the two of you iron things out..again just my opinion. You can spread the word of the incident through your neighborhood and through your husbands military connections that is your right but the Elks Lodge has a lot of bingo followers.
I have spent the last 6 Wednesdays at the Elks Lodge playing bingo. I am fairly reserved and quiet-one of the Elks Lodge members who works the Bingo floor even commented that I never seem to make a peep. Tonight the caller was aggitated, as usual, by a couple of individuals in the row in front of me who seemed to frequently pointed out his mistakes. His displaced anger was aimed at me when I approached him during intermission and asked him to clarify the parameters of the next game. I guess he needed to attack someone for the way he was being poked at, and I was the target. I was verbally assaulted loudly in front of the entire crowd of players to the point where all chatter ceased. I retorted by asking why I was being addressed with such disrespect and explained that I would never dream of speaking to a customer,or anyone for that manner, in that way. He shouted out an explicative, dealing with a bull and its end product, and walked out of the building never to return.
I asked the staff for the man's name and who his supervisor was.....I was ignored. I asked what his title is- the desk lady stated "My husband". After expressing my outrage she stated "you did not deserve that." Yet, the man never came back into the building to privately or publically appologize to me, nor did any of the staff. I was however, brought a tissue, after asking for one, to catch the tears that I couldn't seem to choke back from embarassment and outrage.
Realizing that I was not going to receive an appology or a humane level of respect, I asked for a refund of my unplayed cards whereby my request was declined due to state laws(understood). This event occured after I was overpaid for an earlier win. I even delivered the extra 10.00 back to them in a later game when I realized the overage and was commended for the honesty.
My husband was nice enough to join me during the last two games, and observed the awkward stares from the Elks staff.
If this is how they treat guests then I will take my weekly contributions to another establishment even if that requires a commute to Boise.
Is this the Elks way? (to attack a person verbally, who has always been a good, quiet and cheerful customer and flee like a coward knowing he was wrong, not returning to even offer an apology?? I find that sad if true and know I will spread this incident through my community of friends and my husbands military network.
Some just never learn.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/09/07...
http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/Traffic-s...
Geoff, guess I not doing something right, I posted it over the weekend then again this morning but it didn't ask me for an e-mail addy or having to put in my comment name, so I guess I just lost in the internet world LOL.
Eagle-
I sure will post your comment, and my response. I don't currently have any comments awaiting moderation, and there are currently 14 posted comments. How long ago was it, maybe try again? I get an email when they are posted, and then when I get the chance I can approve and respond. It allows for anonymous posting, but it helps to respond to at least a made-up name for that post.
Geoff, I guess my comment with a question on your blog is not going to be posted or answered.
SCAM ALERT!
There was an ad placed by a Justin David, looking for a personal assistant, a couple of weeks ago. Long story short, this person referred me to another person looking for an assistant. Guess what???? A SCAM. Go to: www.douglassteelsupply.com and click on the SCAM ALERT to read the article.
I want to thank the City of Mt. Home for the disc golf course. Some things that need immediate attention are...
1. Please adjust the watering schedule. It's a mosquito infested swamp out there.
2. It's a bad idea to cross the soccer fields while games are in progress
3. It's a bad idea to cross the parking lot.
4. Hole 7's path should not have picnic tables in the line.
**Just some safety things.
427... It was posted off topic on one of Roy's blogs. Since Roy asked for people to keep discussions on topic, I asked for a response from her on the BB. My original post a few weeks ago explained this. Dig a little deeper and you'll find it.
You're right, Tim- that's exactly what it was, a rough estimate of the total with the city's extra fees could be added in. As it turns out, it's a lot less than an additional 20k. I just don't want the misperception of 80K going to the church to get any more traction than it looks like it has already. The church got 24, their attorneys took 37, and we will know what our additional legal fees are pretty soon, but probably not near what was initially estimated. Hope that helps.
Councilman Schroeder I thought I heard someone say after factoring in the amount paid to outside council this lawsuit would end up costing the city close to $80K. Could me wrong but I thought I hear that figure used.
I'd like to correct part of Marsha' letter to the editor. The actual amount paid by the city is $61,040.11. I think the "$81,000" figure I keep seeing and hearing is a repetition of an early estimate of the total including the city's legal fees. Although we don't have the final amount yet, it turns out they aren't nearly that high. A copy of the actual check, and some commentary on the $37,040.11 paid to the Chicago Law Firm is at:
www.churchandstateidaho.blogspot.com
Still waiting for an answer as to what the below quote meant...
"Does anyone else find it interesting that those who were involved in the killing of Osama are now dead? Does that not sound fishy to anyone else?"
-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sat, Aug 6, 2011, at 11:42 PM
-- Posted by MrMister on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 6:17 PM
I don't see where she posted the above comment.
Still waiting for an answer as to what the below quote meant...
"Does anyone else find it interesting that those who were involved in the killing of Osama are now dead? Does that not sound fishy to anyone else?"
-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sat, Aug 6, 2011, at 11:42 PM
Now I think I may have seen it all! Below is a letter from current WECRD Board President, Marsha Sellers expressing outrage towards a church who saw an opportunity to make a little money (kind of like the WECRD asking for money through appropriations with less than factual information). Ms. Sellers, do I need to remind you that for more years than I have fingers the WECRD has taxed the people of this taxing district/community for NOTHING all the while taking funds from legit programs that COULD BE??? So, while you point your little finger of yours at the church, you have 3 fingers pointing right back at ya girl! Pot, meet kettle. LMBO. Get off your high horse Marsha and welcome yourself back to reality. People in glass recreation centers with pools (even if only in their own minds) should not cast stones...
Did the WECRD Board pray and ask Jesus what to do before they changed the taxing structure contrary to what was voted for? Did the WECRD Board consider that "ripple effect?"
Dear editor:
Last week's front page story about a lawsuit settled out of court against the City of Mountain Home has the ripple effect of a very smooth stone thrown by a Chicago law firm.
I have learned the spokesman for the No Limits Christian Ministries Church is our former mayor of Mountain Home and not a member of this church!
I can't help but ask -- what were you thinking?
The conditional permit was concerned about the parking area and aged septic tank of the building and two other problems not included in the news story.
Instead of fixing (solving) the problems, the church chose to "sue" our city (and its taxpayers) and we will end up paying some $80,000 out of the 2011-2012 general funds.
From what I am told "our" federal law forbids us to have "conditional use talks" with churches about their toilets, parking lots or ethics?
I am sure that the members of the No Limits Christian Church prayed before they decided to seek help from the Chicago law firm and now their membership understands the consequences' of their actions.
Their lawyers and our lawyers will end up with $56,000, while the church ends up with $24,000.
The ripple effect of this "legal" decision will impact the taxpayer, children and our elderly by changing no longer available funding for the city programs such as the Youth Center and possibly the local bus company.
At this point, it would be helpful and healing if the membership of the No Limits Christian Ministries Church and other churches pray for guidance in helping these programs survive the consequence of this ripple effect.
Wouldn't that be what the Lord Jesus Christ would want us to do by uniting in an effort to stand in the gap?
Marsha Sellers
Sounds like an inside job??? Lots of details on the suspect description, including the lining color of the backpack? Sounds pretty "suspect" to me. Jus' sayin'.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/09/04...
Well, this is just horrible! As long as we have lived here, I don't remember a robbery of this type happening here.
Lights on around your house are a great deterent to thieves. Motion lights are even better because the theives aren't sure exactly why the lights came on. And the best part is, it's easier to see your sights with the lights on.
Mr. Goat-beard?...A thief is thief cause they can do IT in the dark...steal that is...when was last time you saw someone suck gas out of a tank of gas in the day. Our lights are on all night long and yes I we have a car that you can get the gas out of..But has a dog...very alert dog.
Actually, lighting is a time-proven deterrent to theft. Name one high-value asset facility that uses darkness as a theft deterrent.
Yup, turn on the lights so the thief can better see what they're doing. I have another awnser for those who steal.
What H..E double hockey sticks is going on with people stealing gas? My neighbor had his back seat taken out. Turn your OUTSIDE lights on. Best thing you can do.
This may be beating a dead horse, but news that is old is not News, its History...
Also, Stopcorrupt87, maybe you should start your own paper instead of posting news links here. Most all of us have TVs. There is really no need for you to post what is interesting news to you here. jmho
I understand that you are a weekly NEWSPAPER, that is not what I have an issue with here.
I have an issue with the lack of "NEWS" on this website. America is going the way of online news and it seems the Mountain Home News does not embrace that move.
I would like to be able to read what is happening in Mountain Home or the surrounding areas when it actually happens.
For example, and this is a recent event that is on your website and was posted the same day it happened. The consignment shop that burned down. Your website posted that story the SAME DAY that the event happened. Why weren't the three events
I linked to online when the fire story was?
I think you should read the below links that so you can see that people WANT online news as it happens.
http://thenextweb.com/us/2010/03/25/news...
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/mon...
It is your newspaper and your website, but I just wanted to point out that people want the news now and it would be nice to actually be able to go to the local newspaper website to get that news; instead of going to a different news site.
As aphroditeese has pointed out that you only update on Wednesday, and which some of your articles are from events that happened weeks ago.
That's ok though, I will continue linking to KTVB and the Idaho Statesman with local news so that my fellow neighbors can view what is happening, as it happens.
Stopcorrupt87, do you not understand what a weekly newspaper is? Or did I miss out that this is no longer a weekly paper? I don't think many expect to have daily updates since this isn't a daily paper.
That comment is getting so annoying. The Mountain Home News doesnt go out till Weds. So every Weds they update the paper online as well.. Wednesday...Every Wednesday!!!!!
Once again, the Mountain Home News doesn't want to post the stories that are going on in town. This is starting to get ridiculous. If your not going to post the news when it happens, then what is the point of being a Newspaper?
Now, again from KTVB:
Airplane Crash in Atlanta -
http://www.ktvb.com/news/Emmett-couple-w...
Mountain Home woman drowns at Anderson -
http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/Mountain-...
Suspect in high-speed pursuit identified -
http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/High-spee...
RE: Now, this is giving back to your school!
Ha! That will never happen here. Very cool though.
http://news.yahoo.com/school-superintend...
Now, this is giving back to your school!
To my loving Aunt Cricket (Anne). I Love you so very much and miss you. You will be missed Rest In Peace. Love your Niece, Marie
OH ANNE!!!! What a beautiful soul, made of pure gold. Rest in peace, my friend. Prayers, hugs and love to all of her family. You will always hold a special place in my heart and that of many others
Funniest thing about the church lawsuit....bigtime chicago lawyers got all the money
R.I.P. Beautiful Sweet Anne You will be greatly missed. I will always love you !
All of the relevant documents in the No Limits Christian Ministries, Inc. case against the City are available on a blog I started on the topic here:
http://churchandstateidaho.blogspot.com/
After giving them some time to digest, I'll start offering my candid commentary on the case there as well.
Anyone remember Victory Gardens? Let's set aside some ground and ask the people who are getting the assistance to plow, plant, harvest and "put up". Gleaning is also a viable option. Maybe boost some self esteem and pride in acomplishment.
For a town full of people who receive government checks (i.e retirement checks from the government, SSI. Ect...) you all seem to be heck bent (can't use profanity) on blaming anyone for anything. To the people getting assistance good for you get the help you need and as Americans deserve. For the people who don't get assistance good for you way to be awesome! For everyone else could you at least water your lawns, it brings down property value. Don't forget everyone is about two paychecks away from being like me.
As always, spare a dime?
I think I take offense because I know people on assistance who abuse the privilege,and those who do not. I see the same issues with government subsidies that you do, but complaining about it isn't going to change it. I'm not offended by the term "lazy freeloader" because I am most certainly not one. I am offended that you seem to use the term to encompass anyone on assistance. As a child we are often asked what our plans are, or who and what we want to be when we grow up.. I would venture to say that very very few people come back with "I want to grow up, have several children I can't afford to feed, abuse the assistance programs and live a good life." It's not a dream to get caught up in that stuff. For those that really do abuse the system, I agree, shame on them. In this instance you responded to a woman with a job, going to school, who was asking if there was a way to use FS for FRESH, LOCAL produce. How you get lazy freeloader from that is beyond me. I have an acquaintance who gets free cereal from WIC and gives that away because her kids won't eat "healthy" cereal and uses FS to buy sugared cereals... honestly, that makes me so irritated! More so than Twinkies and soda. I get it, some people are irresponsible and inappropriate with assistance, but you ranted after a seemingly responsible member of society asked a simple question. That is where I have an issue.
thejinxproject,
1. You haven't offended me.
2. I never actually said SHE was abusing the system. I just pointed out abuses; if she falls into any of those categories then she is abusing the system. Since I don't know her personally I don't know if she does. So no apology is necessary.
3. I wish they would go after the deadbeat PARENT for child support. I was a single father of 2 and my ex was supposed to pay child support. Never saw a penny, she just kind of fell of the face of the earth. So yes I agree they need to hold these PARENTS (not just dads anymore) accountable.
4. The system is broken and needs to be fixed the problem is there are so many people abusing the system that they don't want it fixed. There are so many people abusing the system that the small numbers that ACTUALLY need it get lost. I have never said anyone should go hungry; I have invited strangers to my table and into my home to help them. I have helped family members that needed it, but then I have also noticed family and strangers just use and not even try. At least she is trying by going to school.
5. I'm just tired of people expecting more, expecting handouts and freebees at the expense of those that actually try. I'm just saying stop giving money and give food as they spend money on other things and the kids pay the price. There will be a breaking point and I believe it is coming sooner than later, and those that really need the help will be the ones to suffer. Not by choice but by the implosion of society cause by the lazy freeloaders. If you're offended by the term "lazy freeloaders" you are probably one of them. I'm not personally saying anyone person is but I see them everyday especially around the 1st of the month. You can hide your head in the sand and deny the problems, stick your fingers in your ears and say "I can't hear you" but it is true. LIFE ISN"T FREE and the scales are tipping toward disaster unless something is done.
Well go you! You were poor once too? You refused? Congratulations! Do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on? Go get a job deciding who gets assistance or not so you can single handedly fix this nations problems. I did to you what you did to her. If you fall into an abusive/ egotistical category I'm asking if you fall into it. I have the mirror. I've seen me and who I was, who I am, and who I can be. You haven't cornered the market on being angry about assistance abuse. It's frustrating sometimes, but it's not MY job to be someone's else's conscience. I'm a working class kinda girl who works 12 hour shifts so I don't have to listen to people like you complain about me and make me feel bad. I work hard so provide for my kid however, I'd rather beg for a handout than watch my baby go hungry. For some it's a loss of pride to ask have compassion for those that want to be better. Please. I kind of think you owe just1 an apology for assuming she is abusing anything. Sorry I've attacked you, sorry if I have offended you, but you offended me.
Thank you workingbee. Someone's got to stick up for people who deserve it. When I was on public assistance my (then) husband left me to have a baby with another person. Left me with nothing and no child support to help care for our child. Minimum wage barely covers daycare much less diapers, wipes, food, gas, car maintenance .... It wasn't my idea! We had a plan and he wrecked it! So here's a thought, fix the child support laws too. We can complain, I've done my share too, but come on coming down on the innocent, or those sincerely trying to better their lives is stupid and mean. By the way, what's wrong with buying steak with food stamps? It's a very viable source of protien and iron. No clue why you're complaining
about that. Stop complaining unless you are going to fix it.
People who are judging me for speaking out about waste and abuse have no clue.
They say I don't know her situation. I never said I did know her situation. I stated the abuses I have seen and see everyday.
You say I'm a snob but you again have no clue. I'm not I help others. I was poor once; I was eligible for assistance once (BUT REFUSED). I worked harder and still do.
GET OFF YOUR SUPERIORITY COMPLEX THAT YOU CARE MORE THAN I DO.
I just think people need to be more responsible and held accountable. I didn't say she was abusing but just laid out some of the abuses I see and asked her if she fell into one of the categories. If she didn't not a problem but it was just a reality check.
thejenexperience,,, wish there was a "like" button
I think we are so off topic. Government subsidies are abused. But not everyone on them abuse them. As you can see just1 was asking if anyone knew if FS could be used at a farmers market. Doesn't sound to me like someone looking for twinkies and soda. Also mentioned having a garden to grow some veggies. How can you try and call her out when obviously she's not the problem? I know people who do abuse their assistance and don't think twice about it. If YOU want to change the system then figure out a way to change it that does NOT penalize those who aren't abusing it! Times are hard, like it or not. No one cares about your tax woes. I have to pay taxes too every year but I also set aside other money and time AND energy to help those less fortunate because being on public assistance does not automatically make you trash! You are no better or worse than any Other person. Don't like other monetary classes of people? Same as being a racist. Quit being a snob it's rude.
It is pretty sad the people attack me saying I'm judging others but they are doing the same to me. Maybe they should look in the mirror.
I never said I new the persons life, I just pointed out that this program is out of control as is other government handouts at taxpayer expense. I just pointed out the abuses I see with the system and the community. The well will eventually run dry. It will also not pay to work when they take more and more in taxes than it is to live on the dole.
People need to take responsibility for their actions. I'm for random drug testing, spot inspections of homes for people getting food stamps and welfare. I also think they should have to work in the community either picking up trash on the road, mowing the parks, or other.
Better yet have them cook meals after school in the schools and serve to others getting food stamps. No money changes hands and our taxes pay for FOOD that the recipients prepare.
As for talking to the politicians it is like talking to a rock. I vote for people that don't believe in socialism but for personal responsibility.
My oh My! Just, how, did it suddenly get so personal!!!?
junkyard dog,
Funny I dont recall you ATTACKING me when I have repeatedly posted my disgust on here at having stood in line watching my tax dollars spent buying chips, soda, ice cream and the like while I buy ramen noodles for MY family.
Or seeing the parking lots of "low income" or "subsidized" housing filled with nicer vehicles than I drive.
But then again you have your nice WELL PAID "UNION" job right? Obviously you make enough you dont mind if my taxes are increased to pay for more chips soda and junk food for free loaders do you! Or pre made pizzas to go
Won't be a problem for you until YOUR standard of living is affected RIGHT?
Novel concept sport... before you attack the messenger walk a mile in their shoes! Or better yet if you have no problem seeing tax dollars spent buying chips, soda, munchies, candy, pre made pizza for persons who are not working, how about going and voluntarily increasing YOUR TAXES just to pay for those items.
Trouble2011,
Just who do you think you are, that you demand other people justify their circumstances to you! What level of arrogance drives you to criticise and chastise someone because they bought a twinkie instead of a bag of beans?
What level of Judge do you aspire to be?
Whoever wrote that if you have a problem with tax distribution, then you should complain to the distributors, nailed it down for you. On this website, you are all speed and no direction...simply spinning in place around yourself. Attacking the needy must make you feel strong.
As to the food stamp issue. I personally know of a "group" of people who live off of disability and food stamps. The first of the month rolls around and they spend the food stamps, on food I hope. They also make their monthly trip to Jackpot to gamble. Driving their van to Jackpot, spending what money they have, running out and then going from place to place asking for charity in the form of food and money.
I heard, though I can't confirm, that some of the charities have been cracking down and letting people like this know that it's not acceptable to do this. There is a HUGE abuse of the food stamp program going on. Go into a store and buy an item that rings up for less than two dollars and pocket the change, though with the credit card system they use now, I would hope that would not be able to take place any more. No change back would be a great idea. Or, go into the store and buy food for your friend and have them give you the cash, charge them less, you're still getting cash.
The ways to fraud the system are countless and there will always be someone who is out there taking advantage. Taking the resources away from those who REALLY need it, is not the answer. We don't need more children going hungry in our country because food stamps were taken away completely.
I think if a person IS on food stamps and is not working, they should be made to volunteer somewhere, not just sit on the couch eating Twinkies and drinking soda. I also think things like soda should NOT be allowed on food stamps. A steak once in a while, not big deal. I don't believe McDonald's accepts food stamps as someone said, the food has to be taken home and cooked. Pizza from Papa Murphy's is okay once in a while, though, I don't believe that someone should be able to go into the place and buy $100. worth of pizza with food stamps and then go home and treat their friends to a pizza party.
The food stamp issue is a bad one, they are needed, they are abused. There just needs to be a better system in place to catch the abuse and end it.
Froggy, I'm sorry to hear of your experience with Sears. I don't shop there and can't speak for their service at all. It's good you were able to get it taken care of in Boise, though it SHOULD have been taken care of in a different manner here in Mountain Home if there is where you bought it.
Dear Trouble 2011,
I don't know who you are, what you do, or what your background is. There are people abusing the system for sure, but you aren't going to stop it. If they remove a program to stop the abuse, the only people who will be hurt by it are the people who desperately need it. People who abuse the system will find another way around it. I don't believe you know who just1 is. I don't believe you know her story, but you sir need to worry about you and your life and stop judging others. If you don't like helping with your taxes or whatever your theory is, take it up with a government agency. I'll bet you're the kind of person that if you came across someone on fire and you had water you'd drink it. I'm a single parent that works 72 hours a week, I was on FS for 3 months the first time and 6 months the second time I ever used it. I voluntarily removed myself both times when my circumstances changed. However, it is, in many cases, families who has an illness or injury remove them from their job, and accident or unplanned emergency that makes having this assistance necessary. And if I need to help or support my community by paying higher taxes or giving a helping hand, then by God I will. people who judge and speak harshly when they are uneducated about a situation or person is what makes America a sad place to be. Sounds to me like just1 is hard worker who just needs a boost to get through this short period before becoming someone even more amazing than she is already. Who are you to put her down? And furthermore, if your job, business, and home life have not been affected by the economy then you should drop down and thank God right now, because way too many of us have been. I pray you never have to ask for help in your life. Just1, keep going to school and get that degree, you're doing fine and you're going to make it. Don't let uneducated judgmental people ever feel badly for dong what you need to do!
MsMarylin,
I'm not trying to judge anyone. I'm just sick and tired of paying for everyone else. I'm tired of my taxes going up but my home value dropping. I'm tired of seeing the abuse of the systems designed to help the TRULLY needy by people that just want a free ride and something for nothing.
You can go to the bars and see people drinking that are on food stamps, I know the drinks are not free. You can see people buying only the best junk food and steaks with the food stamps. You see people using food stamps then pull out cash for beer and cigarettes. You watch as people on these programs get into cars that are newer and more expensive than yours and it just really upsets me.
I don't know her situation but all I can say is if she has bought a lottery ticket ate out or bought Twinkies with her food stamps then she is as guilty of fraud as anyone. If she hasn't then congrats but I wouldn't place a bet on it.
I could name names of some of those who are defrauding the system but when I report them they don't seem to care. This is what I'm sick of, all the waste.
But I guess people that don't actually have to sit down and write a check to the IRS each year in addition to them keeping what they take out don't really care as they are not loosing anything. Besides it will be your kids and their kids that will have to deal with the bill when it is due. We have been kicking the can down the road but we are running out of road.
LOL
trouble2011
Maybe since your so concerned about food stamps and how just1 uses them and if she buys a lottery ticket. How about you helping her out each month so she can have enough food to feed her family? Better yet meet her at farmers market and buy her some veggies. Never judge anyone unless you have walked in their shoes
Lilmiss,
Since I know you're a teenager and just graduated High School I will give your comment due thought....ok done.
I don't need to be lectured by someone that has no life experiences and I'm sure has never paid taxes herself.
The problems are too many people are abusing the system. When I was young, married with a small child I was eligible for food stamps in Southern California. Somebody one welfare got a bigger check then me every month. The problem is I was too proud to collect food stamps even though I was told to go get them. I instead went out and got a second job. I worked at a gas station and Subway sandwich shop while having a full time job. I also didn't go out except the rare special occasion due to not having money. I didn't eat out, I didn't go to McDonalds (I see they accept food stamps). I bought generic name products like macaroni, spaghetti, and peanut butter. For meat my wife and I ate a lot of SPAM since it was cheap.
The problem with a lot of people is they expect a handout, they feel it is their right. Social Security, Medicare, and even unemployment are programs people pay into them and it should go back to them.
Food stamps and welfare are not paid into every month deducted from your paycheck.
I thought you were a very smart girl but don't lecture your elders about life when you are just starting yours. Also this conversation really had nothing to do with you in the first place.
I say again when was the last time she went out to eat? When was the last lottery ticket she bought? When did she go to a movie last? Does she own her own home? Does she own multiple vehicles and are they less than 10 years old? I appreciate her finishing her schooling to better herself but I know that is not cheap either. What scarifies have they made since they asked their neighbors to sacrifice for them.
I'm not out of line at all, the system is broke. The country is broke and we need a better way. I have ideas but that would involve people not getting cash but nutritious food, they just have to go to their local schools to get it.
If someone in my family needed help I would be there, if a neighbor or friend called and needed something I will be there, if a stranger is stranded I will be there. But I'm tired of being duped, taken, and used like a lot in this country.
Trouble, what you said is out of line. Completely.
Your reading comprehension must be off- she didn't necessarily say that she was paying taxes right NOW, just that she had in the past, but because of her current circumstances she needs assistance.
Instead of being rude and instantly judging anyone who uses food stamps, without any knowledge of the situation, you should have either stayed silent or helped her out with her question. It's nice to know that she wants to use her food stamps to shop local and support Idaho's farmers.
I certainly hope they do, I love Farmer's Markets.
If your hubby is paying taxes how do you qualify for food stamps?
About 50% of Americans DON'T PAY taxes since they don't make enough money. If your in the upper 50% then how do you qualify?
You should check the abuses out their around the 1st. Sit in one of your vehicles at wallmart or albertsons, it doesn't have to be you new one and watch people as they get into their newer cars. Or go inside and watch people buying twinkies and steaks with the food stamps. Then they turn around and us cash for thier beer and cigs.
Has anyone in your family bought a lottory ticket since you started getting your handout? I know a lot that do, every week. They can afford to gamble but not eat. Go figure.
I'm not mean just tired of paying for other people to play. We shouldn't let people go hungry but by just giving money to people they will abuse it. I see it everyday.
Check out the lottory winner (over 2mil) and still on food stamps. This is just one abuser and it is legal, that is the sick part.
There has to be a better way friends, family, churches, local community, and more.
The problem is most don't buy generic top raman, mac and cheese, and such. Most drive newer vehicles than I do. And some have a large house than I do. It is sad that they went to a credit card instead of the stamps.
Trouble, you sure seem to think you know a lot don't you. This is not a permanent situation for my family however at the moment it is dearly needed. Between working( both my husband and myself) and going to school ( myself) and the garden not putting out enough to fully feed us, it is needed. Perhaps you should be the one embarrassed at your obnoxious assumption that everyone on food stamps is abusing "the system", particularly in the current economy. No, I am not at all embarrassed to be temporarily using a safety net my and my husbands taxes go towards. I am not embarrassed that I am choosing to finish my college education and thereby putting myself in a better position to provide for my family in the future without having to rely on such a crutch as food stamps even though by doing that I am losing wages that could be being earned currently. I am also not embarrassed that if given the option, I would buy with my food stamps, locally grown food which is not only healthier but would support our local economy. Do not presume to know my situation and perhaps think a little bit more before you open your mouth next time. You can reply, rant, and babble all you would like in response. I will not waste any more of my time on you as I have more pressing things to take care of such as a full class load worth of homework. Have a lovely evening.
Questions about using food stamp?
That is part of the problem, nobody is embarrassed they can't pull their weight, take care of themselves without a handout. What happened to the embarrassment of having to live of your neighbor? I wish they would do away with the whole food stamp program and make people meet at the school for meals. That would motivate people to not freeload.
Does Walmart even count as a local business??? We should be careful to not count out all local businesses. I've had positive experiences with Lane's Appliances. Price and service. Especially the service. And no I don't work there or have any friends or family that do :)
Has anyone heard whether or not food stamps are able to be used at the MH farmers market yet? It would be wonderful if they were!
ItsJustMeAgain - I THINK it was Sears. I haven't shopped there for years and now I can't remember what it was they said I needed to pay a re-stocking fee on? So just in case I'm wrong...BUT the final straw shopping there was this... Bought a air compressor. Out of the box, it didn't work. Just needed a part. Asked them for the part to fix it. Was told no, could bring it in and have it repaired and PAY for the repairs. So, then called Sears in Boise and we just exchanged it.
ItsJustMeAgain - I hate to say it, but it was the Sears here that wanted to charge a re-stocking fee. And we won't shop there anymore either - get tools, parts and stuff at the Sears in Boise.
Walmart drives me nuts. Often they are out of stock of things/brands we buy regularly. So now, anything we can buy at Costco, I will, rather than here, even though I don't like having a 10 lb bottle of fabric softner. Plus the new release movies are generally cheaper in Boise then they are here - so MH Resident is right in saying the same item can be cheaper in Boise, even though it's still Walmart. Here's a tip - Check out what they sell at the store and then go online to check the online price. Beleive it or not I have bought a Ship to Store Item CHEAPER than the item that was already IN the store! Quite often produce is awful. The pharmacy is ok though. I like the people there for the most part. The guy in the electronics dept - I think he sort of has a mohawk thing going on, is my fave.
All of which is sad. Don't know why they waste the money with the 'local joe' promo. That isn't going to keep business here. I would love to spend my money here, but I'm not paying more. Can't afford it. Which is why I mentioned Wondertrails, because I just couldn't believe it when I found their prices comparable to Amazon and other places on the internet - and believe me I checked. I didn't have to pay shipping either. So good for them. I hope they make a go of it.
Thank you Mr427538, been a long time since I have been on E-Bay guess I need to check it out. Thanks
thank my sister**
I would like to take a few moments to thank you sister for posting this announcement in the Mountain Home News! (:
Congrats and Happy 25th anniversary to my parents! I love/miss them very much.
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/17...
Rebecca Smith
Eagle-eye Check out this number on E-Bay.
150630687714
Just to change the topic a bit. Does anyone out their know where I can get what they call onion bags and not plastic either, the open type that air can flow thru?
I refuse to buy local, theres no competition or customer care. Without this key elements, the consumer doesnt get a "fair" deal. I now do all my shopping online or in Boise, just for the facts mentioned. If this town wants to even compete with the township being built just west, businesses better change their ways, or MH will become like Rattlesnake Station... a blurp in the history books.
Just a quick comment on Walmart, they pride themselfs on having low prices and will match advertized prices. The problem is they dont even match prices from their other stores (unless you ask). Try and go online and get pricing from the Nampa store or the Boise store, YOU CANT. If you could you would see just how much difference there is between the Mountain Home store and others (WE ARE GETTING BURNED IN MTN. HOME)
example: cake mix is almost double in town compared to the Nampa store. There are many, many erxamples just like this.
Froggy, where do you pay a restocking fee here in Mountain Home? I am not a fan of Walmart, though I do shop there since the prices are the lowest that I have found, in town. I have returned items and never had to pay a restocking fee. I can't think of one place in Mountain Home where I have paid a restocking fee.
I agree, the service here in town could improve greatly. I remember the service at Walmart was top notch when K-Mart was across the street. Within a short few months after K-mart left, Walmart prices started rising AND the service started going down hill. That's not to say that all Walmart employees are downers, a few are happy and upbeat and always smiling, I try to deal with them when I go there.
In my experiences, the McDonald's on Airbase road is not a good place to go, messing up orders, employees are not friendly, however, the McDonald's on the hill, it's the opposite.
The service in several places in town is okay from some of their employees and not so much from others. I think you get that where ever you go. I'm glad you found a place to supply you with your hobby needs and that the service was good for you.
Shop Local? I must say, not a big fan of the promo with the little creepy man and a lot of the business here in town. I'm not paying higher prices, restocking fees and dealing with crappy service, etc (when it comes to buying consumer goods, rather than services. Mtn Home does better in the service arena, but the shops are another story for the most part)
That being said, I was rather pleasantly surprised by the new hobby store, Wondertrails, I think it's called, off of Airbase. We got a sudden urge to make a model - like we did when we were kids, lol. Actually went to Wally World first, and couldn't find any model kits - then remembered there was a store on Airbase.
Went to the store - they had a sign saying they would match online prices - and we shop online a lot. Interesting - liked it. Made my purchase, (staff was nice and helpful, but not in your face). I then checked the price of the item we bought online when we got home. Believe it or not, Walmart was a few cents higher, Amazon a few cents lower. Wow - now that's a first for me here! Hmmm, I will have to see if they have re-stocking fees, but if not, I will do business with them if I'm in the market. So kudos to the Wondertrails for fair pricing!
Orozco trial set for 6 February
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/08/22...
Some people just love to sling accusations around and then challenge the average reader to do the research, instead of providing the proof themselves ...tsk tsk.
I agree with the person who said be happy to have a job. Today's economy is bad enough that just about anyone who has a job is in a better shape than those who don't. Think of all of those people who can't find a job and don't have medical insurance at all. OR, think of those WITH jobs where insurance is not offered at all.
Paying PART of the cost of medical insurance isn't that big of a deal compared to wondering how you would pay the bills with no insurance or no job at all.
Be thankful for what you have since there is always going to be someone else with far less than what you are complaining about.
I am happy to have a job. I Do Not work at Elmore, thank GOD. But that does not change the fact that the employees are once again getting RIPPED OFF, for nothing. Mabye they should look at cutting senior management pay for once. Mabye if we as a nation stopped treating ILLEAGLE ALIENS (criminals) for health care that would help also.
Be thankful you have a job in this economic uncertainity. Sure you may have to help pay for your health insurance but at least you don't have to pay for the whole cost of it.
It's not just Elmore Hosp. doing that with medical compensation. Many, many places across the nation are changing their medical coverage and requiring the employee to help pay for their own medical insurance. I don't know of many other companies where an employee does not have to pay for medical.
Well Elmore Medical Center is at it again, Now they are giving every employee an across the board pay cut. Its funny how Govt. agencies can have a contract/agreement when hiring new staff and NEVER be accountable to that agreement. Its the same thing wrong with our Federal Govt. When hired Medical Ins. was a part of their compansation package (paid for by the Hospital)fot the employee only. It is part of their pay! Now they want the employees to pay part of that coverage IE: PAYCUT! Im quite sure they will try and spin it every way possibile to confuse the issue, but no matter how you slice it, you folks just got a pay cut for doing nothing wrong. Mabye its time to look at electing a NEW BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
MrMister,
In regards to the people who shot down Osama now being dead. The members of Seal Team 6 that killed Osama were not the ones who were shot down. Seal Team 6 is a large organization. It is still sad they had to perish because of some idiots though.
still waitin' for an answer...
Out of respect for Roy wanting to keep his blogs on topic, I will ask you here: what in the world are you getting at, OB? Your quote follows--
"Does anyone else find it interesting that those who were involved in the killing of Osama are now dead? Does that not sound fishy to anyone else?"
I really like how the paper found its way to fix the poll question. They offer Dems, Reps, Reps minus the Tea party, Ind, and Other. The Mountain Home News must have so many Liberals running it they are afraid to give the people the choice to pick the Tea Party. I guess other is where the Tea Party falls so that is where I put my vote. I'm a Constitutionalist and Tea Party Member it's a shame it has to be Dem, Reps, or Ind as the only choices.
ýNot sure of the author (and made a couple of changes to a few words), but how funny........and true.......future is scary!
5000 years ago, Moses said to Israel, "Pick up your shovels, mount your 'donkeys' and camels, and I will lead you into the Promise Land."
When welfare was introduced, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your 'rear ends', and light up a Camel, this IS the Promise Land."
Today, the government has stolen your shovel, taxed your 'rear ends', raised the price of Camels and mortgaged the Promise Land to China.
Brenda, may I apologize to you and rephrase the post? Simply cut and pasted as I received it.
Ok, so I've posted something on this thing twice, and twice it's been removed. I've read more name-calling, bickering and offensive things on this thing than what I had posted. PULEEEEEZE!! Give me a break. I've lived here for 19 years, and those with the "power" certainly do use it to their advantage. Think I'll just start tagging the posts that I find offensive, which could probably be a daily occurance!!! What a crock.......
Trouble2011
Just think how much could be saved if everyone receiving welfare, food stamps, etc. were required to pass drug tests every few months, or so in order to receive benefits??? I'm not against these programs at all, when they are used for their intended purposes and not abused, as they are by so many today.
Momof 2graduates: I'm in the same boat as you. No problem with your post at all.
BTW forgot to mention before I was laid off husband and I decide to refinance our home. At that time we had a great value on our home..but lord did that go in the tank. Just glad we refinanced. But still playing catch up.
bondyweb..
I Understand that everything is going UP^^^^ how are we going to catch up..I did't say anything on one thing or group just thought would throw this out there.
FYI: Idaho Property Taxes are used to pay for schools, cities, counties, local law enforcement, fire protection, highways, libraries, and more. The state oversees local property tax procedures to make sure they comply with Idaho laws.
Yep, my house payment went up $87.00 per month but I received a letter that my house/property value dropped $14K. I love the government math, they say you have less but must pay more. This is what will keep happening as long as the average (actual) taxpayers keep getting raped by the freeloaders and the politicians that protect them.
Stop all Welfare, Food Stamps, Forign Aid, and Wars now. Bring our troops home and protect our boarders. Anyone on Food stamps or welfare needs to take the illegals jobs in the fields after we deport them. You can't find a job within 1 year then guess what, you can get paid minimal wage in the same fields. Guess what incentive they will have to actually look for a job.
Well got statement for new house payment. Went up $50.00 per month. Just got back to work after looking and applying for 18 months we are playing catch up.
Now we have to figure out where to scratch together another $50.00. Thank you too those that voted yes but pay nothing.
Oh NOoooooo! The Sinclair station is switching to ethanol added fuel. What will the mighty warrior do now?
Out of respect for Roy wanting to keep his blogs on topic, I will ask you here: what in the world are you getting at, OB? Your quote follows--
"Does anyone else find it interesting that those who were involved in the killing of Osama are now dead? Does that not sound fishy to anyone else?"
'member darlin, paranoia will destroya
I wanted to put a public thanks to Jon Michal and Lorraine, the owners of Sears. For two years in a row they have sponsored a motorcycle ride in conjunction with the Green Knights Chapter #30 of Mt Home AFB. Not only do they say they support the local military population but they show it every year by sponsoring events such as this. Not only did they provide a location to meet, but they promoted safe motorcycle riding and lastly, some really great door prizes. I look forward to being a part of this ride for many years to come. Even if you don't ride, come out next year and see some nice looking motorcycles and thanks a few of our local heroes, the military.
I would like to say THANK YOU VERY MUCH to the man and his mother who found my daughters quaker parrot and returned her to us today, you made her day she was crying tears of joy and carried her around most of the evening we will be forever GRATEFUL!
MINUTES
OF A SPECIAL BOARD MEETING OF THE
WESTERN ELMORE COUNTY RECREATION DISTRICT
JULY 14, 2011, 4:30 P.M.
Before opening the meeting, President Marsha Sellers made a motion to amend the agenda to include the following item: "Agenda Item: Discussions with CLDC Chairman Mark Hiddleston regarding YMCA progress towards Feasibility Study and other developments." Motion was seconded by Director Mollie Marsh. Motion carried.
DIRECTORS PRESENT: Marsha Sellers
Mollie Marsh
TREASURER: Judy Erwin
OFFICE ASSISTANT: Beth Reed
TECHNICAL: James Smith
PUBLIC LIAISON: Betty Ashcraft
GUESTS: Mark Hiddleston
Geoff Schroeder
Brian Orban
Teri Smith
A Special Board Meeting of the Board of Directors of the Western Elmore County Recreation District was called to order at 4:30 p.m. by President Sellers.
I. Quorum
President Sellers established that there was a quorum with Director Marsh and herself present.
II. Summary of Meeting
President Sellers opened the meeting by introducing guest speaker Mark Hiddleston, CLDC Chairman. He gave the Directors a synopsis of the latest developments with talks between the CLDC and YMCA, and the status of the Capital Campaign Feasibility Study. The following points are the highlights:
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Cost of Feasibility Study. Mr. Hiddleston said the initial estimate to conduct the Feasibility Study was between $60,000 to $80,000. After discussions with the YMCA and Shaw Snow and Associates, the cost was reduced to around $25,000.
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A design of the planned recreation center needs to be done before the Feasibility Study is conducted. Mr. Hiddleston stated that the YMCA wanted to have a design for the proposed recreation center prepared after the Capital Campaign Feasibility Study was completed. However, the CLDC disagreed, stating that they were not comfortable going out to the public in search of donations without a drawing of the center in place beforehand. The CLDC recommended hiring an architect to design the building. Mr. Hiddleston recommended that the WECRD hire Stan Olson to draw up the design. Director Marsh said that a contract will need to be signed between the District and Stan Olson before he does any architectural design.
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Mr. Hiddleston recommended drawing up a design that does not include any pools because the costs to construct and operate a pool are cost-prohibitive at this time. Mr. Hiddleston declared that there is much support in the community for this recreation center, but the public wants to see this center constructed now instead of waiting the additional time necessary to save enough funds to construct the pools. The CLDC envisions building a center that has everything contained in the Option 3 of the facility component study minus the pools. The pool could be an option for a future date, but building as soon as possible is the top priority.
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Consider building the Center with the funds currently available. The Recreation District currently has saved just under 2 million dollars. The WECRD has met all federal requirements to access the $579,000 in available HUD funds, to be used for recreation center planning, design and construction.
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The YMCA is researching any available funding or grants that could be used for the Mountain Home recreation center.
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A new committee of the CLDC will be formed for Phase II of the project. Mark Hiddleston has gathered a list of names of local business people who have volunteered to be on this committee.
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Build only what is affordable and will be used by the community. As an example, Mr. Hiddleston remarked that the Y recently built a center in Wood River (Sun Valley area) that was too large for the area. They are now "running ithe red" because they have not attracted enough members for sustaina
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A Capital Campaign will make donations from outside the community possible.
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Discussion included the need for aquatics for rehabilitation. Director Marsh suggested that the CLDC look at the Idaho Athletic Clubs in Boise for ideas on how to include a small pool. Director Marsh asked about the time frame for adding a pool to the facility.
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President Sellers requested that Mr. Hiddleston contact the Y to see if they want a Special Meeting with the WECRD. She also offered the use of the WECRD meeting room for any CLDC committee or Y meetings.
III. Audience Discussion:
Betty Ashcraft: Ms. Ashcraft reported that the Recreation Foundation of Elmore County was set up to accept philanthropic donations. She also stated that the HUD funds can be used to pay for an architect.
Teri Smith: Ms. Smith remarked that the public should be kept informed about every step in the process with information on the WECRD website, newspaper articles and Town Hall Meetings.
Geoff Schroeder: Mr. Schroeder remarked that the District should move forward with this project immediately and said that the City Council will support the process every step of the way.
Brian Orban: Mr. Orban suggested that the WECRD look into funding commuter vans for residents to ride to the air base and use the base pool. Mr. Hiddleston replied that this idea is probably not feasible due to the tight security restrictions the base has. He also said that research has shown that people are not inclined to use fitness centers if the traveling distance to get to them is more than ten minutes.
IV. Adjournment
There being no further business to discuss or comments from the audience, President Sellers moved to adjourn the meeting. Director Marsh seconded the motion. Motion passed, and the meeting adjourned at 5:35 p.m.
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OFFICE ASSISTANT
Approved: as written as amended
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SIGNATURE AND DATE
Some people think they know it all. They invite opposition to their opinion and when it gets too hot they change the subject (with another not so subtle invite). Problem is, the subject always changes, but the story NEVER does.
Yesterday my daughters parrot flew out of our house and has been missing ever since, tonight somebody and the public pool found her and said they were taking her to animal control so my husband and daughter went over by the pound and sat for a good hour waiting for this man to show up. If you happened to be at the public pool tonight and have crazy my daughters quaker parrot please contact us ASAP I don't care what time it is she is absolutely heart broken you can reach us at 587-3764 or 598-3742 we have pictures that we can show you to prove she is ours. Thanks!
Its a shame knucklehead that you post your idiotic thoughts on here...Try living after someome u know and love commits suicide. Its no treat. Some people arent stong mentally. Its a true illness. I think your posts should removed. And I do have presonal experience with suicide. Theres no excuse for drinking and driving. Also no excuse for being an insensitive idiot either. This young man had alot of tragedy and pain in his life, while some was because of his own actions it still doesnt mean you have the right to speak ill of someone when you have NO IDEA what it was like for him. And now his family will have to read stupid crap like what you wrote. Must be wonderful to lead such a charmed life.
jdcb...please consider this.....what is ol' Speedy was doing 75 in a 25 (which he was), was drinking (which he was), and accidently ran into a vehicle with a family in it. Better yet, what song would you be singing if he killed or maimed one of your friends or loved ones? Then, how would you feel, if Jeret called his lawyer (which he did) and plead NOT GUILTY (WHICH HE DID) to both counts he was charged with! It is sad that these people with fame think they are above the law, then have the balls to plead not guilty to something they were clearly guilty of! I guess jeret realized he wasnt going to skirt this one and figured his best way out was a gun.....It is a shame!
I see you waited until the bad news came this evening to reply to my post. I did not post this assuming he would take his own life. I am actually delightful person, although, I cant stand to see a public figure who has an impact on peoples lives, namely children, act like a child. This is not the first time this guy has been in trouble. We need to stop sensationalizing people like this. PS...I dont feel bad for him, it was his choice to take his own life.
bloody knuckles, you sound like such a delightful, encouraging person. I imagine you are happy tonight. Not me, I'm sad and feel badly for Jerret and his family.
Jeret "Speedy" Peterson was arrested on DUI in Hailey Idaho recently. Once a loser always a loser. What a douche! Thanks for representing Idaho well Jeret! Go climb under a rock and stay there man!
You probably will not see much on Tom Berry, for the same reason as when he was arrested last time and blew over 2.0 on the breathilizer and was not charged with agrivated DUI, the same reason last time he did not spend even one minute in a cell Im not sure what that reason is, but I think your best guess will be right.
http://www.ktvb.com/news/crime/Former-Mo...
Why is there no news on Tom Berry's arrest? It's news on KTVB Boise. He was arrested for Domestic Battery and malicious damage to property.
"Hit dog"indeed! Watch out folks, there's a new yelper in town.
Am wondering why a pool scene on this homepage is shone to depict the upcoming activity of the YMCA/WECRD when the news article itself states plainly--thank all that's good--that there most definitely WILL NOT be a pool?
MrMister,
Spot on !
Mr.M - Can't tell from your post, what are you talking about?
The sky is most definitely falling...funny how some people conveniently change the subject and/or use diversionary tactics when proven wrong.
What a mighty (wannabee) group of saviors we have in Mtn. Home.
For those who haven't noticed yet, the construction that was scheduled to begin in June on Eastbound I-84 has started. Basically from Stage Stop to the tower 8 miles outside of Mountain Home. Lowered speeds of 45 & 55 in that area for both East & Westbound traffic.
http://www.ktrv.com/story/15091939/aehi-...
AEHI back in the news. SEC to amend original Complaint and add charges.
And time will tell.
Transplanted the intersection of N. 10th E. and E. 8th N will be repaved next summer when they pull out the storm drain for scheduled maintenance.
Just curious I thought the fixing of N. 10th E. was supposed to include the intersection of N. 10th E. and E. 8th N. Is it going to be done at another time or is that all she wrote as far as that section of street repair. So glad to read that Jasmine is alive and well and will be heading back to ID soon. So glad this story had a happy ending as far as her being found alive.
The community has lost one of its best, Chuck Devol. Much love to Judi and family.
And thank you to all the Streetwalkers who donate their time and effort to walk the streets every Wednesday night to collect $ for the firework show.....
What a great fireworks display! Great job to the Mountain Home Fire Department, Rural Fire Department, Mountain Home Police,Elmore County Sherriff's Department and our local EMS crew. You all rock!
I called the non-emergency number before I went to bed that evening and asked why no one came out. The dispatcher told me that the officer did a drive by and did not see anything so he didn't even stop. I reminded her I would sign and that I did want to talk the officer. She told me well there wasn't anything out there when he went by. Tomorrow night I will have my phone ready to video them if I have too, then I have proof if they catch the pastures on fire.
Workingbee.....call the prosecutors office on Tuesday. What they did is called a fail to act...it's actually a criminal charge. Unless they can come up with a really good reason, they violated the law. The part about having you sign a citation is total BS. THe deputy could have come out and acutally SEEN the fireworks and cited the person without you ever having to see a deputy! Sorry you live in Elmore County, the apathy in the law enforcement community statewide is almost epidemic.
Oh, how we feel so left out that we invite past nemisi to fill the gap in our confrontational little world.
Well Thank You Elmore County Sheriffs for not showing up or even calling me back... Tonight at 10 pm my neighbor was shooting off fireworks that where as tall as his trees... my other neighbors horse were going crazy. I told the dispatchers I would sign a citation. They were sending someone because I would sign and I did not want my pasture in flames..what happened NOTHING... I WAITED THREE HOURS for an officer to show. the neighbor with the fireworks went to bed (I suppose)...... wow, not even a phone call back from the dispatcher saying they are delayed. NOTHING.. THANKS ELMORE COUNTY SHERIFF FOR NOT SHOWING UP, 3 HOURS LATER.. I AM GOING TO BED TOO
Speaking of water, Does anyone know who to call for bulk water delivery for a swimming pool? Thank you.
I would think with all the vehicles and all the employees the local school district has, that they would drive by West Elementary and see the sprinkler system is screwed up. One circuit has been on all day today.
It's a sad state of affairs when a country hosts a foreign team in a sporting event, yet the the fan base favors the foreign team. Wonder if INS will be there to take attendance.
MH Bouncer
Oh you and I should get together for coffee!! My ex hasnt worked or paid supporet for years and his license is suspended for this same thing and he pleaded it down twice. YET...he still pays no support and no consequences. The
children/custodial parents have NO rights when it comes to Child Support Services here in Idaho. They will not answer any questions or do a thing to help you. Its all about the rights and privacy of the deadbeat. The system is broken. Throw them in jail..he ll get a job then! But no...if he isnt working we cant make him pay....
@Mr.Mister...that is what happens in court when dead beat dads don't pay their child support and get their license suspended. They get stopped and cited/arrested. They go to court and they courts allow them to plea it down to this. I know because my wife's ex has been stopped and arrested enough times for this that it's a felony. But everytime they plea it down and she still receives no support from this slug.
I guess I have a question for the chief. Is the officer in question salaried or does he get an hourly rate? If it is hourly was he "on the clock" when he was practicing the manuevers? The true way to answer that is, would he have received workman's comp if he had crashed and gotten injured? If the answer is no, then you knowingly...and admittedly...allowed him to perform work related functions without compensation. This is against state labor laws. According to your comment the officer apparently wasn't on the clock as you said he would now be given time while on duty to practice. This now leads us down to the fact that if the officer was indeed "working" then was he compensated? If not then he now has a case against the city for overtime. The other side of this is what does your own policy manual say about officers using city owned vehicles while off duty?
I was a Chief of Police and I can tell you now, you have painted yourself into a corner by being drawn into the arguments here on the BB. My advice would be to read the blogs and then ask your officers WHY these charges (rumors) are being thrown around then take care of it. To come onto the BB and engage in any argument falls well below what would expected of a Chief. Take the advice for what it is but you have made yourself look foolish.
I've noticed a common theme the last few YEARS with respect to those "failing to purchase" a valid driver's license as noted in this newspaper--indicative of a failed policy?
Chief Walter,
You write "If you know me at all after 3 1/2 years, I am not afraid to admit when we have room to improve and I am not afraid to hold our servants accountable for their actions both on and off duty(ask those who no longer work here).
But it is troubling when folks make comments that question the integrity of lots of fine men and women who work hard to keep this community safe, but never call so we can handle the matter or give us an opportunity to share what we know to fill in the holes left by the rumors they hear."
I say:
I have not known you for 3 1/2 years; I have only had the pleasure of knowing you for a matter of months. In my opinion from my meetings with you, you are in fact afraid to hold your officers accountable for their actions. In my personal experience you have allowed one particular officer to complete an accident report incorrectly and refused to have the report corrected even after being presented with evidence showing what corrections were needed.
I say:
I have in fact followed the correct procedures required from speaking with the officer in question all the way to the city council and have gotten not an ounce of consideration on the matter, have learned that sweeping problems under the rug must be easier than having an officer or those above him admit to a mistake leading the matter being drawn out into months for what could have been dealt with in minutes.
I have been as respectful as possible, I believe respect is to be earned not given just because of the title one holds.
You have my number if you want to call me!
Susan McCallum
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110622/ap_o...
And yet more supporting information on why nuclear energy is not safe.
Congrats to the morons in Payette who approved the AEHI re-zone. Follow the money. Early in the week I had to laugh at the news story Don did on "cheap power" for Idaho. Funny. In all meetings held on this---AEHI Don has made no secret that power will go to the highest bidder. Idaho is not known for paying a premium for their power so it is not likely ANY of the power will stay in Idaho. Sure glad we get all of the nuke waste. Hope it is all worth it folks. More AEHI lies and Don G. bull.
Trucker Man, MHG and now Lucky 45:
Since all three of you seem to know more about what is transpiring than I do, please give me a call and share. What I do know as a fact and not a rumor is that MHPD personnel arrested their own Chief for driving drunk prior to my arrival and they have arrested a retired employee since my arrival, so what "family member" we have reportedly let drive drunk would be interesting to hear.
There is currently an accident being investigated by the Sheriff's Office relating to an accident in their jurisdiction. If that is what you are referring to, then again, give me a call or call the Sheriff. While MHPD is not investigating the crash, I am confident the SO will do their job and thoroughly handle the matter and determine what if any charges are warranted.
If you know me at all after 3 1/2 years, I am not afraid to admit when we have room to improve and I am not afraid to hold our servants accountable for their actions both on and off duty(ask those who no longer work here).
But it is troubling when folks make comments that question the integrity of lots of fine men and women who work hard to keep this community safe, but never call so we can handle the matter or give us an opportunity to share what we know to fill in the holes left by the rumors they hear.
I await your calls. If you don't call, then you are probably right, I can't address rumors without information.
Chief Walter
To trucker man & mhg4316 know exactly what you are talking about and it is a shame that nothing is being done and nothing probably will be done. I guess it really is who you know in this town. You were right on when you said if you say anything there will be.........
I really hope that who ever ends up taking over Walters job, they sit back and take a hard look at their department and whats going on there.
Just checked the Statesman again:
Semi rollover blocked eastbound I-84 lanes near Mountain Home early Sunday
Statesman staff - Idaho Statesman
The eastbound lanes of Interstate 84 were shut down for five hours early Sunday morning after a truck crashed near Mountain Home.
A Washington state man driving a tractor trailer went off the road into the median about 12:38 a.m.. The driver came back onto the roadway, overcorrected and the truck rolled, according to a release from the Idaho State Police.
The truck landed on its side, blocking both lanes and the emergency lane. The driver was transported to Elmore Regional Medical Center in Mountain Home where he was treated and released.
Thanks -- Son was wondering. He was diverted via Simco Road and took the long way round to get home. Hope no one was hurt.
I think it was a semi blocking the lanes
What closed down the Interstate in the wee hours this morning (Sunday?
Old guy:
Come one really you didn't see the sarcasm in the comment... it was a joke, before taking something so literally find the humor in it. Not everyone on this post is here has to complain about everything they see. Honestly I kinda thought citizen uno might complain since in all reality I was poking fun at him. I for one don't really care that cop is riding his bike off duty brushing up on his skills, I just think he could use a newer nicer bike (hence the huffy comment). I will attempt to be a little more blunt just to clarify my previous comment
The Complaint by citizen uno that our public funds are being misused blah blah blah
Laughable
Spare a dime?
Mthomeless,
You say bad on the MHPD and leadership but I say what a great way to save our tax dollars. I saw this officer several times today and you could see the pride he had riding that 1992 bike. It sure was nice to see an older bike like that one being used as intended.
I'll tell you what the gross misuse of public funds are Mr. John Walter... He rides 1992 Kawasaki good lord you might as well give the poor guy a huffy!!! It might be faster.
Spare a dime?
I would like to say Happy Fathers Day on Sunday to all the gentleman and especially my Dad, Husband, Sons and sons-in-law!! Sorry, the family ones are especially very dear to my heart and get special mention! Please have a wonderful time with family and if you can't be together hold them close in your mind and hearts. God bless all our Dad Troops and Moms away from their loved ones so that we again can celebrate another freedom. B
So, Last night I sat down and wrote in this banter box. I apologize to almost everyone for the banter I submitted.
Brenda you have a very tedious task as the Banter Box Mother hen.
"Do the right thing, Even when on one is watching",
More on that trial:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/06/15...
Orozco in court today:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/06/15...
I thought that everyone could use a laugh today so I am sharing my short film that my team and I wrote, filmed and edited in 48 hours fo the i48 film festival. Take a moment to watch it and have a laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7-xvbnyE...
Citizen1
If you are truly interested about how tax dollars are being spent and feel what you have witnessed is a gross misuse of public funds and equipment I truly hope you will call me so we can both learn more about what it is you are referring to. Since you have not done that but instead have thrown this out for public consumption, I'd be happy to provide a few facts I would have shared if you had of called:
1. The officer in question has NEVER destroyed a police motorcycle. In fact, no officer since my arrival has destroyed any motorcycle or any other vehicle we operate.
2. The motorcycle this officer rides is a 1992 Kawasaki and he does a fairly decent job of maintaining it and gently treating it so we can extend it's already long life. Just a few nights ago he adjusted the carb on the motorcycle and was riding it at slow speeds to ensure it was operating properly.
3. Motor officers attend training where they learn to maneuver their motorcycles at low speeds (2 to 3 mph)while going in circles, figure 8's, etc. If you watch them operate at AFAD or other events you'll understand why these are important skills to keep sharp.
4. The officer informs me he has been practicing those skills on his own time and as a result does not put his uniform on to practice. I have informed the employee that while his intentions are noble, they have obviously been misunderstood and we have discussed other opportunities for him to practice while on duty. If he is continuing to "almost" lay it over then obviously he needs to continue to practice! (Although he would argue not dropping it at such low speeds is proof he is continuing to improve)
Honestly, I find it hard to believe that most citizens would label operating a motorcycle at 2 to 3 mph while navigating a driveway or narrow county road as a gross misuse of public funds or equipment. If you still do after reading this I appreciate your viewpoint and certainly acknowledge your right to form that opinion. I would however again ask you call me as you have my number (587-2104) and I have no idea who you are.
Chief John Walter
MHPD
MrMister: I suspect the consternation voiced in your post was aimed towards OpinionMissy? I respect your opinion but it seems like she has presented some interesting info. For those of us who are too lazy or disinterested in how our local government agencies conducts business, the presented information might just light a fire under a few people to get interested and take action. On the other hand, it just takes 1 second to read who made a post and ignore it.
As far as Meeting Minutes not being published on the WECRD website? We see this occasionally on the City website and quite often on the County website. It would be nice if regular people could go to the meetings and report what they see and hear on their own website. But if enough people were truly interested and made some noise about Meeting Minutes NOT being published, I suspect our local government agencies/officials would get it posted in a timely manner. Why go the extra mile when only 2 people in the entire county care?
Overall, I don't know why the citizens would care about what their local government is doing. Who cares what the government does with your taxes....who care if they want to build a nuke plant 10 miles away...who cares if an organization wants to sue the City. Boring stuff, all of it. Or is it?
Just found this very interesting and thought all you fine citizens of the City of Mountain Home would like to know where some of your tax dollars are being spent and how the items that money was used for are being treated. I have a neighbor that lives down the raod from me that just happens to be a City of Mountain Home Police Officer and is a Bike Cop. I have now witnessed him on several occassions riding his Police issued motorcycle while off duty and out of uniform. The part that bugs me most about this is this particular officer has all ready destroyed 1 bike by laying it down. The other evening I witnessed him out on a county road out in front of his house riding that Police Issued motorcycle in a circle. Now while watching him he almost layed the bike down numerous times, yet continued to do it and then proceeded to continue doing the same thing in his driveway and yet again almost layed it down several times. Now in my opinion I feel that this is a gross misuse of public funds and equipment, but I'll let you be the judge of that!
Oh Gawd! Here we go for round 3...or is it 4? I can't remember. Which round did you quit after last time??? Do us all a favor and keep it on your blog, blowhard.
So. A message to the WECRD Board. Kindly update your web page with current info such as Meeting Minutes. The deadline for "Let's Play" applications has long since passed...so perhaps update that as well. That is an expensive web paage, paid for by us, as taxpayers and I do not think it is beyond reason, with this being June, that Meeting Minutes other than January SHOULD be posted.
Unless of course you folks have something to hide such as maybe the results or cost of the feasibility study that should have been completed by now (per Mark Hiddleston)or the fact that is once again time for you gals to do the annual budget. Which reminds me. Each group the WECRD gave money to for Let's Play was to provide financial reports on how the money was spent. When I went into your office, only one group had done so. I certainly hope that more money was not given to any group for 2011 that did not provide financials as required.
So, what are you gals up to now? So much for keeping the public informed Marsha. More lip service. Now the journey begins to find out what you all have attempted to keep secret. With more office staff one would think the info or bull would flow better. We too can dream as the tax paying public.
One last thought. Per Idaho Code, you are to provide recreation to all within the district. So far, you provide for the select few. Illegal as heck. Perhaps the law firm representing the church would help us prove fraud, etc. Just something to think about.
Here is the most wonderful video I have seen in literally years. The lady in the video is such an inspiration and she really makes you feel good when the interview is completed. She is just a total joy to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lfaSmDxV...
I hope I have copied and pasted the link correctly so you all can watch.
Wow! A second year teacher wins top educator in MH. Seems like the youngins round these parts talked about younger teachers being a disadvantage to our district and stated they would hurt their education as they lacked experience. Seems like these younger and less "crusty" teachers may be just what the MHSD needs. Sometimes the less experienced have a fresh eye and can provide new, fresh ideas as opposed to the same old stuff of those who have been around forever.
Nice job sir on your award and congrats. I am sure you earned every moment of that recognition. Enjoy it and good luck to you. The MHSD and your students are lucky to have you.
I see Job Service Listing an opening for a Police Chief in Mtn. Home, Thought we had a Chief, and a pretty good one.
Been here for 31years. And yes, shifty 50 is a well known name in town. Yes, it does seem they pretty much do what they want and for the good of their own needs and friends. But, hopefully you did state facts and not 3rd party info.
midea, No Idid not attend these meetings, as my work schedule would not allow for it. But that does not mean that the issues stated are not factual. I did speak with some who did. I am not sure how long you have lived here, but in the 25+ years I have been here the County commisioners have always done what ever they want, to heck with public input. If you have been around long enough you may have heard the the term "Shifty Fifty", it was well earned. Its my belief that nothing has changed.
Church update:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/Mountain-Home-a...
Did any of you last 3 who commented go to the CC meetings?
Based on todays article, doesn't look like many showed up at the public hearings and those that did give Testimony or were neutual didn't make much difference. Between Planning and Zoning and the County Commissioners they make all the rules for the county. We all have seen in the pass, why bother to go to the meetings those people decide what action will be taken, what the public inputs doesn't appear to carry much weight. Why worry if there's not enough water or some pipe dreamers wants to make their money and leave the mess to the other residents of the county. We really need a little Boise like we need a hole in the head. Move it across the line into Ada County and let them pay for it, they can pump the water from Boise to someone elses get rich scheme. This whole mess will do nothing but hurt Mtn Home like we really need another hit on this town.
But what does the public know leave to the people in charge to decide they always know best, maybe it puts money in their pockets. Someday we may get the hint to elect people that work for the public but don't see that coming in the near future.
You can thank these Commissioners for dropping your home values even further. With all the homes for sale in Mountain Home who will buy them if they build new ones just 15 minutes from Boise? They get a house on the county line half way between Mountain Home and Boise, where do you think they will go shopping, Mountain Home Wal-Mart or Boise's selection of stores? We do get their trash and sewage plus have to build them schools; I can't wait for that Bond/Levy vote. It is almost comical how these commissioners can be bought and sold.
Well it looks like some of our county commisioners are about to approve this Mayfield mess. I wounder whos getting paid off this time? The amount of water rights they want should be enough to say NO!!! Nothing suprising here, buisness as usuall for Mtn. Home
I know exactly what trucker man is referring to. But you dont want to say anything because there may be reprecussions! Hes right and its CRAP!!!!
Trucker Man,
This sounds like a case of blog and run.
Lets hear the specifics, if you have a story to tell let everyone in on it.
how come the cops in this town get away with leting their families drive drunk but yet they turn around and arrest people for doing the same thing.
AEHI, still at it with their lie's
http://www.fox12idaho.com/story/14850862...
I like this one LOL
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110606/us...
Don't have enough to say about it to warrant writing a letter to the paper, but last week's letter complaining about senior celebration kind of angered me. We were told MONTHS in advance that if we wanted to go to senior celebration, we had to pay and register by a certain date REGARDLESS of whether we had base access or not. All seniors were told multiple times. The students turned away really have no one else to blame- they had to have the list prepared and certain safety measures ready by May 11, and they made that very clear to all.
Blogs aren't meant to garner attention, they're there to present a point of view and encourage dialogue...
Do we finally have more churches than bars? Funny how every fifty or so people need a church of their own. Bongos, guitars, smokebombs, whatever happend to the good old organ. We need a government study to find out how many different kind of churches we need. Ahhhhhhhhhhh, babble, babble......have a good day now.
If you don't want people crossing the street, do not put a cross walk there. You can't monitor a crosswalk and on the 200th person say "this crosswalk is shut down due to maximum walk capacity" that sounds awful fishy to me.
If you want to know everything you need to know about crosswalks, take a look at the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices. Its about 350 pages thick, and you can find it on the internet.
I'm so glad that the ppl of mtn. Home know everything. Lol I say if yyou don't know the truth go ask city council what happened. If they knew that they were right why isn't city council fighting back? Something went on at the meetings to get them to this point. The last city council meeting I went to they told no limits that the cross walk that is in front of the building was never intended to allow so many people to cross it. Since when did there become a limit on where you can cross a street!? I got facts but I don't need the drama of people bickering back and forward on an issue that they don't know anything about.
Goodness, that is a mess!
Curious Parent,
It was orginally set up as both, yet due to the fact that not all the paperwork was completed the P & Z went ahead with letting them set up everything, but it was not to be used as a church till all documents for parking were in place. However, it appears that they ignored what the P & Z wanted and have set up the church as well. This was basically putting the cart before the horse. The P & Z should have told them "No" you can't use the building until all parking documents are completed. What a mess.
Thank you!
So, this was originally supposed to be a counseling center, and now it is wanting approval to be used as a church? Sounds like that's what should have been asked for approval in the first place.
Curious Parent,
I think the last church to have approval was the Catholic church across from Hacker Middle School. This approval for a new annex and parking lot was the result of several businesses moving or closing for good. Our city council needs to think before they approve these things. The fact that "No Limits" set up house as a counseling ministry is silly to say the least. That building can hold a whole lot of people, how big are the counseling sessions???
OM,
Which was the last church in town that was approved?
Thanks.
So the recent Mayfield approval is not news or is it not online yet? Yet another example of follow the money.
Why are we acting shocked that this church has filed suit? The City of MH paved (get it) the way for that when they approved the last church. So now let us not act shocked that those dirty deeds have come back to bite some in the ole boxers. What shocks me is that it took so long for someone to sue. When the rules are bent for some it opens the doors for the rules to be bent by all.
As for "No Limits" and their suit. What a WASTE of tax dollars. But I guess if you do not pay into it...it does not matter.
Perhaps all sides can learn from this. Now you will see how the legal system works outside of MH and with the big guns. This is what happens when rules are changed for the few. CHA CHING!!!!
Come on Weather. Please at least 80 so my flowers bloom. Or better yet not have to turn our heat back on. This has got to be the coldest spring I've seen since I've been here. Husband said there was another like this almost 15 years ago.
80's so my flowers bloom all kinds of buds but no flowers.
oops - ltngblt
itngblt:
It appears that one of your comments, and mine supporting it, have been removed so I'll try again........AMEN!! If removed again, I'll post it again........MY religious freedom! Would hate to have to sue MHN for violating my freedoms. (jk, MHN) I'M offended that they can actually sue over such nonsense.
Good question. Not sure. What did you find out? I would think that they would get amounts per student or size of school just as the regular public schools. Anyone out there know the answer to this? Where would we look to find the answer?
CP and Midea,
Does the state give more or less money to a school for a high risk student then a non high risk student?
Might make a difference when it comes to living within a budget
I applaud the administration and teachers at McKenna. They know how to budget, live within those means, and at the same time are able to motivate kids to learn. Thank you for your over-the-top efforts and achievements at McKenna School.
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/17...
Thank you for posting the information. I was only aware of some of your school's accomplishments, but it is nice to see the information in black and white. I think you have a wonderful concept and many districts could learn from your business plans and the discipline in which you teach your students.
Oh, and the story leaves out the fact that those good christian followers at No Limits really do believe there are no limits, as they want $75 million from the city! I think I'm gonna go start me a congregation so I can get rich and drive me a great big fancy car! What a crock.....
ltngblt,
You cannot use that word that is the exact opposite of heaven in a post on here or it WILL go bye bye LOL...
Ltngblt - good comment, no cussing! Edit and repost. B
ltngblt,
STOP IT! NO WAY!
You mean one of the MANY groups that have gobbled up the commercial real estate downtown in Mountain Home YET DO NOT PAY PROPERTY TAXES is now suing because they didn't get their way?
I just have to point this out AGAIN for those who choose to turn a blind eye to the facts.... The churches/religious groups swarming to the downtown area and filling commercial property are eating away at the tax base leaving the few remaining businesses and CONSUMERS to pick up that additional expense, and what do you think will happen when property values ARE on the rise again? Wait to see the exodus AWAY from downtown as those very same organizations have sat on prime commercial real estate not paying property taxes as they wait for the values to rise sufficiently to provide a very tidy profit.
Time for some REAL change folks time for some change....
Maybe they should not have come in and set up shop before getting all the necessary permits. And to sue because they were turned down?
Hey, here's a good christian thing to do, the No Limits Christian Ministries just sued the City of Mountain Home and members of the Board for denying them their conditional use permit. Didn't I read in the News that the issue was one of "parking" and "septic system" concerns?
Lol I was so looking forward to the first long weekend since New Years and the weather is gonna suck. We are taking 5 grandkids camping and it should be an experience. It's the first family camp out of the season. Sure hope we are not locked down in the trailer all weekend. If it was just me and my hubby just hanging out, reading, watching movies, good food and liquid refreshments and lying around it would be perfect! My munchkins prefer a bit more activity. Sure won't be going to Blacksands and swimming and taking the Jet Ski this year. That being said I would like to express my gratitude and heartfelt thanks to the military troops, past and present for my right to complain and my liberties and rights as I have them. I am a military brat, from birth to now and proud of it. My family and friends and every single member in the military forces have sacrificed much to allow me the freedoms I hold dear today. Have a safe and wonderful weekend, hopefully with those you love and keep our soldiers in your hearts.
Brenda,
Thank you for your response. I think I should just go back to bed for the rest of the week and see if I can do any better next week. LOL. I know; I can just blame it on my old glasses, I got new glasses this week!!!
Not everyone posts the price for disel, so guess going to be up to those that do buy it to keep everyone else up to date on the prices.
Haven't checked it out in-depth yet, but the Census Bureau published a report on public education finances.
http://www2.census.gov/govs/school/09f33...
Utah spends the least per student, and Idaho is next. Idaho relies on the state for roughly 2/3 of their public education funding.
You are correct. The MHN does post the gas prices, which I think it is great that they put the gas prices on. But, I would like to see the cost of diesel also.
I check the MHN each week for the gas prices. It's a great service to the community.
Well, we will see if the fuel prices tomorrow are the same as today. Anybody's guess, huh?
Changing the subject.
Fuel prices (Diesel).
Hawleys fuel station on American Legion is at $4.02 for diesel this morning. I believe he is a Shell station. If you don't like Shell then Texaco by Albertsons is $4.09 and Pilot is at $4.2? something.
My son fueled up this a.m. and called to let me know, thought I would pass it on.
Just had a thought, wonder if MHN would be able to post prices. Maybe have a fuel price block on the front page of the online paper. Give the time and date of the comparison. That would be sweet.
bondyweb,
Will do. :-)
cant justwatch: I was actually looking for information...and not questioning your post. If you find any official on-line data hopefully you'll share it with us?
bondyweb,
If I am wrong in my assumption please let me know. I assumed because the 2 million plus annual levy RAISED our taxes by approx. 20.00 per month per 100k assessed value then it seems to me ending this prior levy that was running at 1 million plus annual should LOWER our taxes by approx 10.00 per month per 100k assessed value. I Kind of posed it as a question if you notice, because I am definately no tax genius and had just applied simple math.
Tonight's choir concert was outstanding side of the people talking during the program. Fourth row, next to the man in the wheelchair, you know who you are.
cant justwatch: Can you pass on how/where you obtained the info in the $10 decrease in property taxes due to the levy not passing. I've looked for this data but came up empty. Thanks!
I have seen all the ranting and ravng posts about how our property taxes would not have been raised one penny if the latest levy had passed. I AGREE... News flash since the levy DIDN'T pass our taxes should now GO DOWN somewhere around 10.00 per month per 100k of assessed value, correct?
WOO HOO! they got us with last years "two year levy" which raised our taxes 20.00 per month per 100k assessed value, but at least now we have kicked this FIVE YEAR LEECH... and we will get to see our taxes DECREASE.
What a coincidence- most of the commenters on here sound like Archie Bunker.
Observer, You make me think of one of Archie Bunker's favorite phrases.
mtnhomelifer - good point! I stand corrected. Always more than one view/perception. Two heads are always better than one.
Fairytaleforme you posted this Question this weekend (had just gotten onto I-84 from Eagle Rd. today when I saw the Elmore Sheriff and ISP chasing these nuts.....all the way from Hammett! I understand what they did was illegal, but come on folks..............all these resources and putting so many lives in danger over a tank of gas???) you tell me this, If The officers would have stopped chasing the with held the resources form capturing the subjects and the two subjects came to your house and commited a crime and you found out the police stopped chasing them just before they came to your house, what would you say or do then.. you never know who you have untill you stopp the vehicle and find out, is it a little old lady who didnt relize what she was doing or are they two serial killers that have been chased all over the nation, you never know.
BTW, what is this "Jersey Shore" thing?????
I concede and stand corrected on the vote tally. However the rest of my analysis is spot on.
Observer, why is your obsession with television? You try to make a point and then blow it with some obscure reference to a TV show. Just get it over it.
The KBOI results are backwards. The MHN article is correct as quoted by Eagle Eye.
Now we see the real motivation to vote no was to take money essential to maintaining safe and healthy buildings for educating students and instead spend it on essentials like hundreds of channels of satellite television, where we can learn about stuff like the Nazi-Alien-UFO connection:
http://www.history.com/videos/ufo-files-...
For the record (unofficial):
Mountain Home School District
Building Levy
$925,000 a year for five years ($4,625,000)
No - 627 votes - 51%
Yes - 604 votes - 49%
http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/12210838...
PS: That levy would NOT have raised your taxes, not even one cent.
-- Posted by Observer on Sat, May 21, 2011, at 11:55 PM
Observer,
You are correct, the levy would not have raised our taxes as things stand now. However, the vote to deny the reauthorization of said levy may leave a few well needed bucks in the pockets of residents of the MHSD. But proponents of defeated levy are free to write a check.......: )
Mr 427539=Why We Still Have Pete Nielsen:
626+1=627, Yes! goooouuud math! Yay- you can add one to any number.
However, (this may be a bit complicated), that was the number voting FOR the levy, NOT against.
The levy that would NOT HAVE RAISED YOUR TAXES.
The 604 were your fellow Idiocrats who saw fit to take the money this community has committed to education since 1950 and instead spend it on your cable bill and another bag of pork rinds.
Enjoy. What time is Jersey Shore on again?
PS: That levy would NOT have raised your taxes, not even one cent.
I had just gotten onto I-84 from Eagle Rd. today when I saw the Elmore Sheriff and ISP chasing these nuts.....all the way from Hammett! I understand what they did was illegal, but come on folks..............all these resources and putting so many lives in danger over a tank of gas???
http://www.ktvb.com/news/crime/High-spee...
What comments about Mckenne weren't factual?
Observer.
I said Thank You to the OTHER 626 as my no vote made it 627!!!!
It would be nice to know how many of the 1231 voters are property owners, and especially the 604 who voted for this latest ripoff. Thank You to the other 626 who voted NO.
-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Wed, May 18, 2011, at 11:20 AM
Kinda says it all.
If failed due to people have gotten tried of being taxed with the hand always out, the more money the District gets the more they want.
MH News quote on the vote:
The measure needed 55 percent approval to pass, but only received 50.4 percent of the vote, with 627 yes votes and 604 no votes in the initial unofficial tally Tuesday night.
"Like 626 responsible voters in Mountain Home tried to do, as opposed to the 604 bent on destroying what's left of education here. Nice going, Idiocrats! Who's up next on Dancing With The Stars, anyway?"
To Observer;
It was 627 who voted against the Rip Off Levy, not 626. If you are saying 626 responsible voters tried to do, by my math, it would have passed. I guess you should run for the school board, or are you a teacher in the MHSD?
http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/Meridian-...
OMG!!! MSD to balance their budget since levy failed. Wow. What an idea!
Hint, hint. Wink, wink;)
Observer:
If the MHSD was run less like the Western Elmore County Rereation District and more like a business and the information being provided by the MHSD was honest...I am sure more people would have voted to support education. When you look at the income levels of many in this community, it is not the will that is lacking it is the ability. People can only pay so much because they only make so much.
Just because people voted against the levy does not make them stupid or anti-education or anti-youth. It is all about being lied to and duped over and over and over again.
But not to worry. They will hold another election, catch the new 18 year olds and get them to vote along with many MHSD employees, it will fail and they will declare an "emergency" and jam it down our throats anyway. That is how it is done MH style.
Now about McKenna. Before some of you spout off with less than factual info you may want to do some research. McKenna is more stable from a financial standpoint than the MHSD. Perhaps something could be learned from that Board. Nay. Why do that? Just raise taxes over and over and over again. BULL!!!!!
Charter schools have the freedom to operate outside many of the rules that govern regular public schools. They operate under funding from per pupil allowance (from taxes) as well as private donations and grants. It probably isn't fair to compare McKenna to MHHS. Different sizes, different class/schedule structures and student rules.I am glad that a community of this size has at least two options in which Students can choose. Students are not all the same- they all have different needs. Mountain Home has much to celebrate- Congratulations to the class of 2011!!!!
First off teachers are not leaving cause they are not getting raises, they are leaving due to not having a job. (lay offs) My Daughter has a very bad disease and because of the germs at school wich are normal she was not able to go to the school, her teacher took time out of her schedule after school to come to our home and make sure she stayed up with the rest of the class. That is dedication, that is our Moutain home teachers. Yes they get the summers off, except those who teach summer school. I know many teachers who have to work during the summer to make ends meat. I know many teachers who work second jobs to make ends meat, not to mention the grading of papers, parent contacts,numerous e-mails from parents, administrators, Being in school early in the morning, and being there sometimes late into the evening, they need to make a living just like the rest of us. Yes raises for them are nice but all they really want right now is the tools to do their job and for the kids to succeed
My child goes to Mckenna and I will tell you this, they dont pick and choose who goes there. They run the school like a school should be run. Your there to learn and be educated, if not, then you dont need to be there, they dont believe in wasting their time or the students who want to be there to learn. I totally agree with this, school isnt about social time with your friends, your there for one thing, to be educated. They have their golden rules right there on the wall as you enter, if you break them your out, something I wish the other local schools would do. Ive seen way to many mulligans given for issues that should have been expulsions. I applaud McKenna for being student/learning oriented and not "pass the test" status quo that is out there right now. my two cents.
Observer...due to the disjointed nature of your post I cannot determine if you were for raising property taxes or against it. But will say that those of you that are so disappointed and in some case bitter about the Levy not passing in Mountain Home can give more money to the district. Open your wallet wide. Some of us cannot afford to give more.
Spokesman review article headline:
"Idaho voters raise taxes for local schools, after state lawmakers wouldn't"-
"BOISE - Idahoans around the state are voting to raise their own property taxes in the wake of a third straight year of cuts in school funding approved by state lawmakers.
In elections in 65 of the state's 115 school districts this spring, 54 have been successful -- that's 83 percent - in passing supplemental property tax levies to boost basic operating funds for local schools, while 11 have failed."
Like 626 responsible voters in Mountain Home tried to do, as opposed to the 604 bent on destroying what's left of education here. Nice going, Idiocrats! Who's up next on Dancing With The Stars, anyway?
Meridian: "We're dummer'en yooou!"
Mnt Home: "Yes we can, too!"
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/ma...
You're welcome.
sorry about they typos, i thought I saved the correct post
Why would I call the school, they are no different then any other govt agency, they are going to tell you what you want to hear.
iBut thank you for the link, it the article it said
"The project was financed through U.S. Bank and the funding was acquired through the state general fund."
Sooooooo, I wonder who in our area fought to get funds from the states General Fund to pay for a school. Sounds like the entire state paid for McKenna. I wonder if they would of still been able to get their school built if they didnt have the extra money comming in from the state
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/14...
Looks like they took care of their own financing.
As for you other questions, I never claimed to know those answers. Call the schools if you want to know. Better yet, why don't you just call over to McKenna and ask them why they pay their teachers so much?
I was happy before, you don't need to change what you wrote to make me happy.
If they didnt run a levy to build there school, how did they get the money?? Bake sale, Car wash??
Did Mt Home run levies for all there schools?
P.S.
I stand by the rest of my statement with replacing "finances" in regards to the salary. Whether or not you can understand my respect for this school is of no concern to me.
Let me rephrase: I do not know why the administrator makes the salary he does.
Happy now?
Curiousparents,
thats an interesting post,
I do not know anything about McKenna's finances.... I have a great deal of respect for this school and how they manage their business.
How do/can you respect something in (your own words) you dont anything about?
Actually if you go to ouridaho.com, I was shocked to see how much everyone is making at the charter school.
Im just trying to figure out if we are all trying to reduce out tax load why are we allowing all these charters to pop up around our state that can pick and choose what student they want to teach.
I do not know anything about McKenna's finances but I do know that they built their new building without any levies supported by property taxes. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I read that they raised the money themselves and paid for the project when they had enough money.
I have a great deal of respect for this school and how they manage their business.
Old Guy
Loved today..I have been wiping my floors for weeks not to mention the dog track on the grass. Love the rain it is free.
Can someone explain how the Administrator of Richard McKenna is making 88,000 this year and they only had twelve graduate.
Why do we have a separate HS if the school is that small?
Wow finally a day without rain and we had some sunshine. Too bad we had the winds but I will take that over the rain anyday. Rain = mud and mud means the dogs bring it into the house.
At every chance I got, I walked outside. Even walked to deliver papers to another office that was a distance away. Anyone else enjoy the day?
OM:
Wow, you must be an incredibly unhappy person. Attack me when all I have done is try to remind people that anytime we lump groups of people together we are no different than those before us who have tried to find someone to blame all their unhappiness on. This is the kind of attitude I encourage my students to rise above. But I realize anything said opposite of your opinion falls on deaf ears. I am just putting a truth out there for those with open minds to remember.
Pardon me, I didn't realize my friend was logged in (HCOD).
I'm just saying NONE of MY teachers happened to discuss the levy- and I had classes where it would have made some sense to discuss it. I had private conversations with them where we discussed it, and of course since I covered the story for the paper I interviewed them on personal time, but in my classes, I heard NO indoctrination. Please do not lump ALL the teachers or assume that those of us who were speaking up about the issue on the blogs were "indoctrinated".
OM:
Did you not read what MH educated SAID. That individual says they do not mind taking a cut (THEY UNDERSTAND THEY ARE NOT EXEMPT), and they're not asking for more money. Simply put: DO NOT LUMP THEM ALL TOGETHER. It isn't logical to lump a group together. That's like saying all Baptists protest military funerals, that all Muslims want to kill "infidels", that all cops are fat and like donuts, etc.
And some of them are also doing the work of four. Have you ever tried to control 30 plus kids in a room, get them to all sit down and be quiet for ninety minutes while you teach something that somewhere around half of them don't care about?
I don't understand where all this anti-teacher sentiment comes from.
Go and confront the teachers that are talking about Luna and the levy. If that doesn't work make a complaint. This might be more productive than making the assumption that all teachers are indoctrinating the students. Like any place of work there are a few that don't follow the rules. Enough is enough it is time to stop making all teachers out to be villains.
MHEducated:
Well boo hoo for you. I guess the rest of us poor slobs out in blogville who spent tens of thousands of dollars on OUR educations should get down on bended knee and kiss your feet (cold day by the way).
For the rest of us who are college educated...we have taken it in the shorts FAR-FAR-FAR worse than teachers. Hmmmmmmmm. For those of us lucky enough to have jobs, we now do the work of four people. Why? Because of budget cuts by our employers. In addition to that, we have had pay cuts----multiple pay cuts. In addition, we work more days and more hours for LESS pay. In addition, many of us have lost insurance, vacation and sick pay.
Pardon me but TEACHERS ARE NOT EXEMPT!!!! You folks get 3 months off per year. You are paid better than most. How about if we really make the debate about the kids and find out where in the heck all of the money for all of these years has gone. How about if we make it about budgets and reality? Higher taxes are not the answer.
Honestly, I have never had a problem with most of the teacher's pay. I believe cuts need to be made at the administrative level. The teachers are the ones who do most of the work in schools (IMHO) and therefore should receive more pay than the administrators. This never seems to be the case though.
You are right. Some of us don't deserve the pay we get. That is true of some doctors, journalists, cashiers, social workers, contractors, and telemarketers. But it is also true of some parents, ministers, police officers, and politicians. Okay...that is established, right? SOME. Please be careful. Not all of us only care about a student's test scores. Not all of us are as evil, selfish, and manipulative as you are making us out to be. Some of us care enough about young people to plan, teach, reteach, comment, encourage, read student work, comment on student work, greet students by name, support them in their extracurricular activities, purchase a variety of items for the classroom, and many other things which rarely bring about "recognition". Why do it? It is the right thing to do. It is the fundamental responsibility of a teacher to do this. Many, many of us do this. We really aren't the enemy, even though I realize based on these blogs that teachers and the school system seem to have become these greedy monsters. Those of you who are upset with the amount of pay we receive, I don't know what to tell you except most of us spent 4 years of our young adulthood paying through the nose for a degree, while we sacrificed a time period of making money and buying things a lot of our peers were buying. We then worked long, hard hours and committed to earning our advanced degree so that we would make extra money so we could pay for a house, a vehicle, and other nice things. Some of us are not asking for more money. Some of us are not resisting having our pay cut. Some of us are fully aware that we are not above this economic hardship. Really. Some of us really do care about the kids and want them to learn the things which are going to help them in their lives. Really. Some of us aren't so bad. Be careful about lumping us all together because you are afraid of what we "do".
My son also came home from school last year and said a number of his teachers discussed the levy during class. He is also smart enough to know to not believe everything that the teacher said. I could give you the teachers name but when I complained to the principle he just blew it off. Let's just say MATH was not being taught that day at the high school. As for we are just trying to keep the teachers we have because they won't stay if they don't get a raise or have to have their pay and benefits reduced. I say let them go with every district and every state having issues; I'm sure they will have no trouble finding another job. Wait they said they didn't become a teacher to get rich, and neither did I. I teach for a living also, I took a pay cut and I just adapted. I do what I do because it is fun and rewarding to me.
Think about this. There's no one that can tell me that these issues aren't discussed within the school walls. My middle school child came home about 3 weeks into the Luna bill and said their teacher told them that he/she probably won't have a job next year since they have to cut teachers with the new programs coming in. (Meaning Luna Plan). My child asked why Luna wanted to stop giving the schools money and there wouldn't be enough teachers for next year. Oh and by the way, my child also came home during the levy last year with scarey stories and all worried about how the schools and teachers were going to make it.
So if anyone tries to tell me none of this is spoken in the school, well blow smoke into someone elses craw who is naive enough to believe it.
That being said, have a good day.
HCOD,
Interesting when you say none of your teachers discussed the levy. When my son came home and told me that he has heard about it through his teachers and discussion they have in class.
This not only happened on the levy but everything that has been happening within the school system changes,especially with the new bills that were passed this year. My son has learned so many fallacies from his teachers that it is sad. I feel they are only concerned with their paychecks and jobs, not the students education. The students look to the teachers for the truth and yet they get fallacies.
That should have read "their" parents.
Then how do you explain the parents who DID have students to come home, and said they're teachers DID discuss the levy and the consequences that the students would suffer if said levy failed?
SWMOM,
I have a bachelors degree and two master's degrees. I come from a long line of teachers and administrators. I have taught in two school systems and chose to not teach at MTN Home becausse I don't like the administration and its policies.
I do know what teachers do when kids get out early. However, there are teachers who have to supervise these students along with classified staff during the two or so hours after they are released. This is a waste of the funding the school has. It could be used for better means.
I find that the answer I got from the assistant superintendent was less than professional. The school system within our community needs to be overhauled. This levy would not make things better it would only put a band aid on something that is already broken. We need to look seriously at where the money is going and have some major adjustments. Particularly with administrator pay!
To the mother who said her child didn't learn anything about U.S History or the constitution:
They must not have been paying attention- the kids who pay attention in my class happen to know quite a bit about both subjects.
We have excellent teachers here- it's a matter of retaining them at the current salary levels for some. I understand there are some who are paid quite a bit, but that's not the case for most of our teachers.
Apparently, some of you REFUSE to pay attention when I tell you NONE of my teachers discussed last year's levy or opinion on it in class. No teachers lobbied for us to go speak for them. Those that spoke did it of their OWN accord.
Regarding building schools in Mayfield. If the Board cannot maintain and work within a budget for 1 set of schools, how in the world do they think they could handle 3 more schools added to what they already have? Know what? If Mountain Home school board adds more schools to its responsibilities, take a guess who will try to justify a payraise? Care to give a guess? Let's see, 100,000+ and 60,000+ would warrant how much of a raise? Think about it.
I was always told to "follow the money, follow the money."
Well said Trouble
"This is really amazing, just because something has been done since 1950 doesn't make it right. A LEVY is for a temporary issue and should not be voted on every few years and crying the world will end after becoming dependent on it."
I invite anyone, who is upset with those of us who voted "no", to address the thousands of voters who didn't bother to show up at the polls. This easily could have gone either way considering how close the final numbers appeared.
This is really amazing, just because something has been done since 1950 doesn't make it right. A LEVY is for a temporary issue and should not be voted on every few years and crying the world will end after becoming dependent on it. These school LEVIES are like drugs to the school administrators. Once they get it they have to have it. Not only that they have to have another and another. Ask yourself if you have a separate job and bank account to pay for your homes utilities or does it come out of the same pot of money the rest of your bills do? The facilities should be maintained from the main district budget, after all that is one of the main reasons they have a budget. Next thing you know they will want a LEVY for books, another for Supplies, another for toilet paper, and so on. One budget and manage it properly and live within it. If you have been to the Mayfield meeting at the court house the last few weeks you would have also seen the developer submit a document from our school administration saying that if they build houses the Mountain Home School District would build them a new high school, junior high, and a couple of elementary schools. Guess who will be paying for this? They can't even get another BOND to pass to finish the job in the town of Mountain Home, now they are promising to build schools in Mayfield at our expense. WAKE UP PEOPLE.
I invite anyone who believes teachers had nothing to do because the high school was dismissed at 1pm yesterday to return to college, obtain a degree in education and learn what is done by teachers when students are dismissed early in a day. I also want to challenge those who think our administrators are doing a poor job to return to college, receive the necessary education, spend the post education years in the classroom teaching, work your way up to administrator or superintendant and then overhaul how appropriated money is spent. Until you do this you have no idea of what you speak. Do not misinterpret my comments as approval of how the superintendant runs the district or manages the budget, I am just wise enough to know until I have held the job myself I do not have enough information to state it is being handled incorrectly.
I am glad the levy did not pass, it is about time the people of Mtn Home starts standing up for what is right. Make the adminstration work with the current budget and make do, like the rest of us who are facing the economic cutbacks.
I spoke with the assistant superintendent of the district yesterday with the concern that the high school students were let out at 1:00 and their were no buses to take home the kids till the normal time. I felt this was poor planning on the schools part, these kids should be in class not just running around town, the gym, the lab, or anywhere else for that matter. His comment to me was "So do you want your child to have four finals in one day or have them spread out over several" My reply is this: Keep the kids where they belong "in school" not on the streets where they can get into trouble. We pay the district money to keep these kids in school. Rearrange the schedules please and keep these kids learning. I also asked why didn't a note go home to parents concerning this. His reply "well 1000 students and 37 cents or 41 cents per letter is a lot of money out of the budget to do "oh please sir, you instead choose to pay for the light bill, water bill and teachers salaries to waste 2 to 3 extra hours of kids on campus or off because many found ways home thus a waste of money to keep teachers at the school when the day was over". What is wrong here? This school system needs to have an overhaul. Quit messing around and get serious about the budget and the kids.
Hmmmm,
Just think how much better off we would be financially if the tax burden around here were shared EQUALLY...
How much property around Mountain Home and Elmore county is held by "religious groups" guess how much THEY pay in property taxes????? I guess helping your neighbor doesn't extend to paying taxes....
How about the Cheeses factory and all the property taxes THEY pay? Whoops, they DON'T not for their first ten years in existence here, and once that exemption expires watch and see what happens, bets on whether they fold up and run off to the next town that will let them skate by???
How many OTHER commercial properties around Mountain Home are sliding by without paying their share?
well said swmom!!!!!
I am all for giving the students the best we can, don't get me wrong on that. I am just wondering what has happened to all the monies that have already been collected to KEEP the building in good shape throughout the years. Who didn't do their job in making sure the buildings were always in good condition?
Why do we have a new boiler in a school on base that will never ever be used again?
I appreciate everyones right to express their opinion, but please know the facts before you do. I am so tired of people stating the school district lied when they passed the levy to build the jr high. If you had taken the time to read the levy you would have seen it was clearly stated you were voting to pass phase 1 which would be a jr high. It was also clear a second levy would need to be passed to build phase 2 at which point it would be a high school. In addition, the levy which failed yesterday was a facilities levy which has been in place since approximately 1950, taxes would not have gone up as it was renewing a levy which was already in place. I encourage anyone who thinks they can run the school district in a more effecient manner to run for any vacancies on the school board; however I doubt that will happen since I didn't see all of you lining up around the block to run. As for me, no I didn't run as I know I am not qualified for the position. Unlike all of you I don't claim to know everything about every subject matter on a local, state or national level.
Trouble2011, I think your giving credit to them, I would trust a trained monkey more than I would these bafoons. And if they want to get a levy to maintain the schools, I would like to ballet a levy on the county to maintain my home, since prices for products and contractors are increasing beyond what I can afford. All in all, Im happy for the outcome, and no my children wont suffer, since all these schools are worried about now is if my child can pass the tests. I "will" ensure they are taught what they need to know, and its not, can you choose a,b,c or d.
Mtnhomelifer,
You're a real piece of work. A LEVY is a temporary solution to a problem, and if it has been going on for over 50 years it needs to stop. Facilities should be maintained by the school budget not rely on a LEVY. They passed a LEVY a few months ago using the children as pawns. Yes taxes DID go up for that. Now the temporary facility LEVY is up they want to continue keeping their hands in the homeowner's pocket. No they have their hand in one of my pockets they don't need them in both. GREED from the administrators is what it is and a trained monkey can do some of their jobs. I have dealt with a couple of them and they have no clue.
This what I hear front the next generation..Shut the front door...
Well slap the dog and spit in the fire, the levy didn't pass !! Will there be life ever after?
mtnhomelifer
It's
LEVY
the last levi was to pay for programs and other parts of the school system, this levi wich we have had since the 50s and would not have raised any taxes, would have taken care of all the up keep of the schools, pay the electric bills and so on, so since this levi did not pass now the levi that the community faught so hard to pass for the kids programs, has to be used for for the maintanence of the schools instead of the programs, so all of you people who voted against the levi because you didnt want your taxes to go up if you would have taken the time and looked at what was going on you would have known that your taxes would not have gone up because you are already paying for it. Now My question is, who do you think is soaking up the money, it sure isnt our local school board, for one they dont even get paid for the long hours they spend on hour schools, and do you really think the administrators of our local district is making that much, can you do their job, walk in their shoes. Mr. Johnson, Mr. longhurst and Mrs Cruser, thank you very much for all that you do with what you have to do it with you are very much appreciated.
It amazes me how much money some of these people make in this school district....Teachers losing thier jobs and programs must be cut....yet these people have yet to live like the rest of us and budget, cut back, and do without...I have 2 children in this school district and I refuse to vote yes to give these greedy pigs one more cent of my hard earned money. Something has got to give...but its certainly not going to be me! Had to tell my 15 year old that I cannot afford the $61 yearbook for her this year...just simply cant afford it. Its about whats necessary!!!!
I do so love the rain. Have had the hose off the the sprinkler since last week.
Down goes the Levy... Down goes the Levy... now its time to see how the School Distric does like the rest of us on a budget... its not hard, its called trim the fat, meaning you fat cats at the top soaking up the money. You can say your cutting teachers and programs, but I want to see you do the right thing and trim your paychecks, like the rest of us have to make our bugets work. But I doubt you will, its hard to get the silver spoon out of your mouth in time to notice your starving the children.. good for you, but be careful how far you get the spoon in, you could choke on it and then no one come to your aid.. I know CPR but I reserve it for "legitimate" reasons.
Sorry about the Levy but as a home owner and taxpayer I have had to learn to live within a budget and so should the school system. I do believe that the school system got a levy last year. Sorry but between last years levy that the school system pushed to have all the students eligible to vote to tax all the property owners you have enough. Really now how much do you need to educate our children. I have 2 graduates from the Mountain Home school district who know nothing about United States History or The Constitution. Their friends are just as CLUELESS. I guess if you DUMB down the the United States population its justified that Illegal Immigrant's rights are Justified and we become an Entitlement society. I don't blame the Teachers. I blame the curriculum they are forced to teach!!!
Amen
Old Guy
It cost us nothing..
Wow sure is nice to have all this rain. Make the crops grow better and faster, replenishes the water table some. Luckily we are not needing any levys.
akbrand...
This is where my husband and I have always voted. I do my homework and know where to vote and when. Or I would not have taken the time after an 8 hour shift to vote. Get off your HIGH horse. The problem here is with the election committees records. Two people living in the same location should have the same ballots (We are married and living in the same household. HAPPILY.). AKBRAND You sound like you must be a Democrat and didn't get your way. Didn't the school board get a levy passed last year to tax PROPERTY OWNERS $2 million plus for how ever long they can get away with it. Didn't 12 years ago this same school system BILK the tax payers by saying they were building a New High School!!! Then when all was said and done tell us that because they forgot to put 2 gyms in it they had to make it a Junior High??? Get your FACTS and Records straight and stop acting like a reporter for ABC or NBC and making it sound like its everyones fault but the ones that are responsible. You know I have talked to a few people about this levy who are renters. They say it is not their concern. Then they wonder why when property taxes go up that their rent goes up. Its the same as when fuel costs go up all the products you buy in the store go up. Get a CLUE and start helping to be a solution and not a WHINER that its everyones else's problem. The school board and local school system needs to start working on a REAL BUDGET that includes CUTBACKS just like everyone else!!! The people from California that move here because their taxes are too high can't continue the same way of supporting every social program that comes along including every education program that every educator dreams about. IT IS JUST NOT VIABLE. So Yes AKBRAND some one needs to put their BIG person pants on and live in REALITY!!!
I do apologize for the long sentance. I have alot of pride is this town, and it is really upsetting when such selfish people only look at how it affects them and dont look at the whole picture.
Kids are very self consious, and when thay see that people really dont care what happens to them, how are they suppose to care about how they act.
Wow, that was a long sentence.
for one, Just cant watch you obviously have not invested any time in what the Levi is all about, This Is My Home Town, I grew up here i live here i pay taxes here, our school are our future, we have only about 10,000 people in this town, there are many empty places down town that should have business in them, why is that no body wants to come to a community that doesnt have anything for their kids, next programs are going to have to be cut to pay for what the levi would have paid for, so now instead of the kids being involved in programs to expand their potential, they are now posibly going to be running around being bored, and very posibly getting into trouble, and as for the teachers well they are not the only ones that are going to lose employment,wich is a big shame, lunch room workers, special ed teachers, councilors, janitors, and many more, so with that unemployment is going to have to pick that one up along with welfare how is that going to be paid for well now your taxes will go up for that, not to mention cost of living cause the business have to recover what they dont make any more, and posibly there cant afford to stay in business due to the lack of, now we are going to lose population in town, wich also means we dont have the head count for the goverment funds so I guess we lose that too. all I hear anymore is what about me how is it going to affect me, well here is your sign.
LAUGHING OUT LOUD!!
Sure don't want to waste an acronym on that one....
Every one of these tantrum throwing insulting whining posts by those who didn't get their way on the levy just makes me laugh and picture that little bratty child in line at the checkout stand...
Guess what folks cry, stomp your feet, call names, heck even fall down on the floor and kick and scream.... STILL DIDN'T GET YOUR LATEST SCAM PASSED SO GET OVER IT!
I am certain you will pout and whine for a while but just think.. if you had a job, owned property around here you might put a little more thought and effort into your comments. Might even be mature enough to reason it out like adults and attempt to share your point of view instead of pout like children...
Sorry Brenda,
I will just be laughing out loud in the future rather than laughing something off, but you will know the truth!
Well Mtn. Home once again you have showed our kids that they do not matter. You don't care if they have clean,warm classrooms/bathrooms/kicthens/etc. And for the ones who think computers in the classrooms is the answer to cut cost of teachers-think(if you can)again-how will we profide the electrical requirements that will need to be updated to handle the load of all those computers? I am ashamed to say I live in Mtn Home,ID!!!!!
cant justwatch
Got muh edjamacation ratcheer at good ole MTN Home. Don't know where the state line is. YUK,YUK YUK. Never been anywheres else. Guess yore jes stuck wif me.
Mebe you could foller yer own advice, eh?
Mom of 2
Why didn't you take a little initiative and make sure that you were properly registered and where your polling place is. Maybe your husband has been voting in the wrong place. Gee...let's just blame someone else rather than putting on your big girl pants and checking things out for yourself.
You might check it out now before the next election. Ya think?
akbrand,
Ummmmm Waaaaa! get over it.
p.s. there is no fence at the state line, you don't like it, you know what to do.
Hooray, maybe we can just let the school buildings fall down, run off off most of the teachers then just put up a great big tent and hold classes there.
Idaho is proving to be the new Arkansas. I guess we should all be proud of that!
LOL
I made an analogy a while back about the crying kid in line at the grocery store who stomps his feet and throws a tantrum cuz mommy won't buy him a candy bar.... Thanks observer you have demonstrated that analogy quite well.... LOL
The levy vote went the right way as well as the Highway District election.
Enough is enough for right now regarding taxes, try again when times are better.
And I'm glad Mr. Hall was reelected. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.
Just my opinion.
It would be nice to know how many of the 1231 voters are property owners, and especially the 604 who voted for this latest ripoff. Thank You to the other 626 who voted NO.
Observer don't be so hard on yourself.
It's already here! It literally happened overnight. Wow.
School. Need. Good Building. To. Teach. Teh. Kidz.
Bad Building=Bad Teach Teh Kidz.
Look over there! Is that American Idol on the TeeVee?
I am confused. Observer, wasn't this a levy for the school buildings. How is not passing this levy going to make the students dumber? Is the building teaching now?
Congratulations to OM, the spokeswoman of the movement toward Idiocracy. We are well on our way. Just think: in a few generations, we'll all be as smart as she is!
Woo Hoo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
All I can say is WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!
At least one new person was elected to the MHSD Board. Now maybe they will begin to understand that less is sometimes more and the voting public is more educated on how the MHSD Board and the MHSD does business!
Nice job to those educated, research oriented, fact seeking voters!!!
So far......
Mountain Home School District
Building Levy
$925,000 a year for five years ($4,625,000)
No - 627 votes - 51%
Yes - 604 votes - 49%
http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/12210838...
Ok Huge Question,
Husband votes at 2:30 pm...I had to wait to vote until I was off work....7:30pm. He got to vote for school board members. I was told I was not in the same district as my husband. WTH we have been in the same house for 11 years.
15 minutes left to vote. I hope for change. It is pretty clear that what we have just is not working. Hope everyone has a good night.
Thank you to the people who ran against the ones in office. Nice job folks.
No offense taken MGH4316. I asked for everyone's opinion and you definitely shared it. I also asserted that I was not against free trade. Its just a travisty to me personally that I had a big heart and he was coming from a place of greed.....so to correct you, NO, I did NOT get what I wanted because I had a heart. My fault?? I guess so, but I was simply warning others who may try to help these two characters out, not realizing what their intentions are.
Not the biggest story on the blog by far, but I think it was worth a mention so that others are atleast aware. No need to be so ASSERTIVE about how "silly" you think my comment was....I guess I should have asked for it to be reviewed by the "silly-committee" before posting it.
I went and voted this afternoon. Sad to say, there was no one else there to vote. I sure hope it picks up later in the day.
mhg4316...I have to agree that Rocklady's post seems a little silly. On the other hand, we'll probably never see "an act of kindness" like selling an item at a steep discount in Mountain Home for awhile. What was Rocklady thinking?
Rocklady,
You SOLD the items. Since he bought them from you they belong to him....You named the price when they were your items, and he named the price when they were his. Youre sounding a bit silly to me.
Dont forget to vote especially in the districts zones if you want to change things in the SD.
Good point Eagle_eye...I will have to take a walk down to city hall and see what I can find out. My husband is on a fence about it. He agrees that it wasn;t very nice, but also thinks that flea markets and other garage sales operate on the same premise of buy and sell....but he completely agrees with the notion that this guy should have a permit since he has been sitiuated in one place and earns revenue from it weekly now for many many years. So he has urged me to do some checking. Thank you for bringing up such a valid point about sellers permits and tax evasion. I know that as a "vendor", anytime that I sold items at a street fair or festival I had to fill out a tax form....so I am sure it applies to him too.
Rocklady: I don't know if this joker is the same person I am thinking of but if it is that kind of stuff has been going on for years with him. Always wants to get something for nothing and then resell it. If I am right the City should be taking a look at this person for the amount of yard sales/storage unit sales/or garage sales they all the same. It would appear to me he is running a business without the required city permits, nor paying the fee's or even State sales tax. Seeing as you have been doing business with this person over time, may help you and others to talk to the City about what is going on, only my suggustion and opinion. To bad I didn't know you was selling a table saw so cheap would have been first in line for that sale and it won't have been for resale either LOL.
I agree MsMarylin, I will stick to my guns next time and hope that it doesn't deter a good person with limited funds from being able to take a needed item home with them for a giveaway.
Bondyweb- You are absolutely right. Perhaps there is an unwritten code of respect that should be followed that says it is unkind to haggle the price of an item from your neighbor and then walk it next door and sell it for triple profit within the same hour. It was as if I was competing with myself and my own merchandise...rediculous and mean. People literally browsed these items at my house and browsed them again at his house for 3 times the price....so I think other residents would benefit from a heads up if they have the same opinion about it as I do.
Thanks for the opinions:)
You know Rocklady, your post which is really saying "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." may just save a bunch of people the same grief here in Mountain Home. Thanks for the heads up. Maybe these gentlemen read the Banter Box? Be interesting to hear their side of the story.
Lesson Learned Rocklady
Stick to your prices unless you know who your selling to or you don't mind going down on the price.
People are always looking to pick up something for less so they can sell it for more....
Usually they don't put the item up for sale so fast. I don't blame you, I wouldn't buy from him again...
I am curious about how my fellow Banter Boxers feel about this...and no offense will be taken if you disagree.
I held a garage sale this weekend. We are planning our first family vacation to Florida to introduce our adopted child to the rest of the family for the first time. We have saved up for 3 years for the trip. We thought the garage sale would serve a dual purpose (money for bills and the trip, and possibly help out someone who needed an item but didn't have a lot of money).
Many of the items that I sold...ie, a Craftsman Table Saw, I practically gave away. Two older gentlman wanted them. Rather than sell the saw for 60 or 70 dollars....I felt pity and sold it to them for 20.00. I figured they were retired and needed to fix up their home or occupy their time with a craft project or two. This is one of SEVERAL things that I sold to them for giveaway prices- out of the goodness of our heart.
What wasn't sold was packaged up and prepared for donation to the Senior Citizens Center.
Yesterday, after closing up our garage sale my family stopped by the storage unit sale that is near Les Scwab. I was shocked to see all the items from MY GARAGE SALE now being sold for 3 ands 4 times what I had sold them to the little old man for!!!!!! Here I am taking almost nothing for the items because I do not want to take from a needy person, and they completely took me to the bank!
I was so visably shaken by it that I had to go take a breather. They didn't even have the decency of waiting a week...they literally bought my belongings and immediately transported them to his own sale within the same block of time!
Now, I am not against free trade or profit....but does anyone else think that this is outrageously greedy and rude? Maybe I am over sensative?? I literally sold out my child's first vacation experience to help out a greedy old man.
I guess I got duped? Ironically...I have bought items from that same storage building for 10 years now, all because I felt sorry for the man. I didn't realize that he employs other elderly men 'scout out' nearby sales so that they can mark them up and resale them-within the same day. I had never met these two gophers, but would have recognized the old man if he had done his own scouting, and I would have quoted a more appropriate price for his intentions. Needless to say to him, I will not buy another item from him as long as I live.
Perhaps my perception is skewed? Please set me straight if I'm wrong.
Hey GDiddy 85282
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.
Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for Fiscal Year 2008 and FY 2009 as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011.
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.
For FY 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets.
And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete FY 2009. Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period: (below)
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.
In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is "I inherited a deficit that I voted for
and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th
Part of the reason that some of the candidates probably will not respond to the MHN is that in a certain WECRD election---this very same paper misrepresented the platform that Art and Judy ran on. Just before the election the MH News printed an article that was far less than factual. Now, low and behold...right before this election the same thing happens AGAIN. Surprise-surprise!!!
Nothing like tainted democracy at work.
Now, Art is involved in the MHSD Board election. Perhaps once bitten twice shy? Call the guy if you have questions. You will get more honesty right from the horses mouth than you will ever get from our local and very slanted paper. Do your own research. It is always best. Do not "assume" that because someone has made a choice not to deal with this paper that they have something to hide or are not in touch with what is going on.
If you want out of touch, vote for the bunch that is already in. History repeats itself. This goat rope event is no different.
Problem is bho wants to go more in debt. are we borrowing 40 percnet of what we spend?
With 2 wars & billions upon billions spent on each, the U.S. debt was bound to get out of control... I wish that "every" American could remember that...
@cantjustwatch: The U.S. Debt was out of hand 8-10 yrs ago... There is no way that "ANY" president can resolve the debt within 1 term... What took years to build, will not go away overnight... I give respect to Obama, he was placed in a no-win situation, but he has tried to stay on point with the issues of the day, as much as possible... I don't envy his job at all... It will take time to get the U.S. debt under control... Just my opinion...
Hmmm,
If titling a blog "obama is awesome" is appropriate and is an opinion.
THEN I would assume me posting MY opinion is appropriate as well.
obama SUCKS as a president and has done nothing to unify this country but HAS done a fine job of creating a national debt so huge it defies description. THAT is somehow "awesome"???????
The questionnaires sent to the candidates for the school board have interesting answers. I don't like it when a candidate won't answer a question, makes me think that candidate has agendas he wants to hide, doesn't want to offend anyone and/or hurt good ole boy relations. I DO like this individual as a person, but I don't believe this individual fits my agenda of what the board should do. In fact, as for the questions he does answer, his answers are so vague that I don't know where he really stands on anything.
Now for the other candidate who turned in her answers to the quesionnaire, I would have a tendency to vote for her. I don't know her personally, so I can't say how she is on a personal level.From her answers I see that she is interested in downsizing administrations and comes right out and says the school board needs change. Ummmm. She is honest about her thoughts on unions, and teacher pay and retirement, and types of education.
Overall, I think the interview questions were very good as they did elicit true responses and showed us a little bit about how bold and true a person is as to how they feel about the school system. The quesions also showed me just how willing a candidate is to be a little uncomfortable and state what they feel needs changed or not.
If you wasn't enough confusion on what Zone people are suppose to vote for Trustee's. The MH News has added to it. According to Kelly's blog Checketts and Oyler are running in Zone 3. Nelson is running in Zone 1.
Under the Contested races article, Reynolds and Oyler are running for Zone 1. Checketts and Nelson are running in Zone 3.
Who is running in what Zone, people need to have the correct information?
Just goes to show the Government doesn't know what the left hand is doing vs the right hand, and we are suppose to trust those clowns.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fema_recla...
Then if you don't trust the school district go directly to East Elementary and ask or ask the President of the PTA. I'm sure someone can give you an honest answer. Ask the Janitor, or some one who works in the kitchen. Better yet ask the person or persons who is working on it.
When was the last time somebody got a straight answer out of the school district office or the school board?
Transplanted
You never know the money for that project could of been donated, or the PTA raised money for it. To find the truth why not go to the school district office and ask about it?
Considering school is almost out for the summer I doubt the students would be taking care of a garden and I do go past the school everyday and the pavement wasn't that bad. It could of made it awhile longer. I'm just commenting that they are supposedly hurting for money and they are doing the flower boxes. To me the money for that could of been made more useful elsewhere. If they wanted to improve something they could of used the money to re do the sidewalk on the side of the school where students must enter and leave the school grounds.
I'm not positive, but maybe the school is going to plant a garden in the planter boxes for the kids to take care of. Don't knock it until you know.
This is something a lot of schools throughout the country do.
Transplanted, If you were to walk past that playground before the improvements, you would have seen how the pavement was buckeling horribly from the tree roots. I am sure it must have been a safety hazzard for the children. I would guess flower boxes was a rather cheap fix compared to repaving the playground.
No Rocklady. Not your vehicle. This one is decorated much differently.
Everyone that is against the planned Mayfield Community needs to attend the next hearing that begins at 6 p.m. May 10 at the county courthouse and voice your concerns. Are we going to sell the city of Mountain Home down the road? Yes everyone needs to come out and hear this mess they are proposing. They want to build a community at Elmore County expense. The question is if you live 15 minutes from Boise and 15 minutes from Mountain Home where do you think they will go to shop and eat? Mountain Home and our Wally World or Boise with its outlet malls and multitude of stores. Our 24 hour Arby's or to Boise with a vast selection of 24 hour restaurants? The people planning this community are blowing smoke on the water resources and didn't even mention all the waste and pollution this will create. Instead they showed slides on a similar community in California with home values increasing every year, the problem the slides and data are from 1970-2000. When was the housing crash again? They won't say what those houses are worth now. They also propose a starting of 380 homes or so to start out but as soon as the first home goes in they will have to pull our fire and ambulance resources. If the ambulance is on a 1 hour or more call to the county line guess were the replacement ambulance comes from; Glenn's Ferry. This will leave Glenn's Ferry without EMS coverage during those times, but I'm sure the people of Glenn's Ferry don't mind as nobody was at the last meeting. I would also argue where are the jobs? All these people are going to work where? They also want the school district to build new schools near the homes so the kids don't have to be bused to Mountain Home. The school district can't even get upgrades for the schools in the city never mind get more bonds and levy's to build more schools for the Californians that want to move here. This project has not been well thought out for the citizens of Elmore County and Mountain Home. The only people arguing for this are from California and ADA County. Why doesn't ADA County want it? The answer is it will cost too much for the regular folks just so some out of Californians can make a buck.
Bondyweb.....its as simple as 1,2,3 or A to Z
Perhaps Elmorevoter is referring to me?? I have an old forestry jeep that I use to commute to Boise everyday...but I purchased it at auction. The color is hard to miss. I am a geologist, so the purchase was exactly what I needed...but many people have made coments to me about it (thinking it is still a government vehicle)....I have the sales receipt to prove that it is no longer a service vehicle....if this is the vehicle you are referring to. -- Just thought I would offer that info in case it did pertain to me :)
With the school district needing money for building repairs and letting go of teachers because of not enough money why oh why is money being wasted at East Elem. by tearing up the pavement by the trees in the playground and building those flower beds around them instead. Looked like the pavement could of lasted a bit longer and put those monies to better use say towards the roof of a school or books or even low and behold a teachers pay. Just saying seems like a waste to me when there are people out there that if the new levy is passed will have to give more money out of stretched to the limit budgets.
@elmorevoter can you be more specific about what vehicle you are referring to please??
@Elmorevotor
Why not, we have been paying for a Recreation Center we don't have.
Suggested poll question: With gas prices as high as they are should the taxpayers of Elmore County continue to pay for a county owned vehicle to be used to commute from Boise everyday?
Rocklady...intriguing post! But inquiring minds want to know
Really??:
Of course is the response. I thank my grandma and grandpa for the countless hours they spent with me doing spelling each and every summer (grandma retired from a school district). I thank grandma and grandpa for listening to me read for hours on end year after year. I thank my grandpa and grandma for helping me with my math (I was not very good at it once upon a time). Why? Because I went to a district that was rural and "poor" (other than 3 years in a private school) and parents/guardians took an active role in education instead of treating teachers like baby sitters and schools like daycare centers. It was not teachers that shaped me into the educated person I have grown to be---it has been my inner drive to be the best that I can be and contribute what I can to community. Thank you Grams and Gramps...
For the last five years, the Boise School District has cut pay and jobs to "trim the fat" (according to a recent news story of this week). What has the MHSD done in all of their wonder over the last 10 years to "trim the fat?" A good percentage of these "poor" teachers make double what 2 working people in this community make in ONE YEAR!!! Teachers do not go into teaching to get rich---that has been said on here time and time again. Yet if you take the time to look at the pay....some are off to a pretty good start.
Really??: At least bring a valid argument to the table. Tell me what the MHSD has done over the last 10 PLUS years to be proactive as opposed to reactive?
A few years ago while my husband was serving in Iraq, I used the services of a local business. I was quoted a price for a specific service, yet billed 3 times the amount, even though the materials and the time it took to complete the job were exactly as estimated. Shocked, I contacted the business and asked questions, and it was soon evident that my first experience would be my last due to the treatment I had received. Wishing my husband had been home, I paid the bill and vowed to take my business elsewhere.
Today, 5 years later, I returned to this business in an effort to request a small donation for a community project that is underway. My husband urged me to reconsider the establishment thinking that they might have changed their ways. After briefly explaining the project I was promptly told that a donation would be made. His donation? A sarcastic comment about how ridiculous the project plans were, even though the plans were designed to benefit the elderly, the children, and the families of Mountain Home.
A respectful decline would have been sufficient, but the insult was almost too much to bare. I have learned my lesson once again; that some businesses will forever complain about how bad the economy is yet have no desire to look within themselves for improvement.
I'd like to offer this business a counter-contribution......whether the purchase is small, large, or none at all --you will never know how valuable a potential customer or even an existing customer is until you no longer have them....and you have certainly lost my potential business. The competition has always been respectful, kind and willing to assist.....and they know me by name because of the dollars I have spent in their establishment. Had you offered me an ounce of respect when you declined to participate, I would not be writing this, but some businesses never change. It seems as though the pride of yesterday may soon be gone forever.
OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Tune into CNN Omaba to make a speech
USA USA USA!
I haven't felt this patriotic in a LONG time.
Ok so it's a little off topic, considering everyone is talking about the MHSD. Um just out of curiosity when did hookah bars become cool? I learned the other day while I was moving my box to the other side of the street; we have our selves a hookah bar in town. Good thing, bad thing.... I wonder if they have apple flavored stuff.
Spare a dime
You're Welcome.
In response to the final comment: The prior deletion was solely base on the very rude comment. Please remember that editorials are solely the writer's opinion. I would never assume an editorial would be considered the opinion of the entire staff. We have been argued with / called out before and that has never caused a deletion.
Most sincerely Comrade Brenda. ps I have been called worse!!
Thank you, Brenda.
Just to clarify, "things were made white, I mean right," what exactly are you meaning by this statement?
Here is an interesting link that outlines the districts responibilities for school building maintenance. I wonder where this money is?http://www.sde.idaho.gov/site/finance_tech/whats_new/School%20Facility%20Maintenance_FAQ%20%206%2019%2007.pdf
A question that needs to be asked is when they closed the schools at the Base where did all those teachers go, pink slips or worked into the Mountain Home Schools with the number of students going down????
Just like when the District didn't get the Bond for the Junior High to High School, moved the 9th grade to the High School anyway which caused over crowing there. When the District doesn't get there way always another way to creat more problems.
One set of teachers that needs a through review is the substitute teacher program. My child has told me of two different subs she has had, and I know them both personally. My problem is, I dont believe either of these young ladies even graduated high school. I know for a fact they are in NO WAY qulified to teach. If we are just hiring babysitters for substitutes, then we are throwing alot of money away.
Pray tell Opinion Missy. Are you not thankful for the "poor teacher(s)" that taught you how to speak, write, and develop your thoughts so that you can post them here on this forum?
Why, because she isn't afraid of speaking the truth and standing up for what she believes in?
Not everybody is interested in jumping on your bandwagon to pick apart every organization in town. Some of us are able to look for and comment on the good in life and not use a bunch of negative drizzle. Thank goodness you did not step up to run for school board.
"Blaine Miller" while I appreciate the passion very clear in your post you failed to address the issue at the root of our problem. The issue is that the MHSD has run like a district with increased enrollment while for the better part of the last 10 years enrollment has been on the decline---a very steady decline at that. More than half of the MHSD budget is spent in pay and perks. While enrollment has gone down, staffing has not followed the same trend.
Classrooms at MHJH sit empty. State of the art labs, unused.
I suggest you review on My Idaho just how much some of these poor teachers are being forced to get by on when their pay is double the average salary of that of a working family in this community (some teachers not all).
At some point common sense must prevail. There is no more money available to tax based on what this community is able to earn.
The city of Mountian Home is extremely luck to have Mr. Jeff Johnson and his staff at the High School. Having lived in Mt Home for several years, I always noticed how easy it was for people to comment on whats wrong with the school. Let me tell you whats right! All of the teachers at that High School deserve more praise and benefits than anyone could ever possibly pay them. Both my kids came through that school and I am truly thankful for that. While everyone talks about budgets and funding and whats wrong with the system, we've forgot about the people that the cuts truly impact - - those teachers! And yet they show up every day and give all of us nothing short of thier very best as educators. I will be forever greatful to all of them. So as the city and state continue to struggle through to find ways to make the funds work, never forget that those teachers are impacted far more than anyone of us and yet they continue to take our kids and shape, coach and mentor them into future leaders and citizens. The best part of living in Mt Home was that high school and I will forever be greatful that we were fortunate enough to get to know the people who make it happen every day!
Thank you Mt Home High School Teachers - All Of You!!
OM, Maybe we can ask CD Houston to run for the school board again. Heads He runs, Tails he don't.
Not to disagree, but just wanted to point out what I am sure you already know. Lowest bid does not always mean best quality and what good does it do to accept the lowest bid if the work is shoddy and will need to be replaced or repaired much sooner than if the work had been of a better quality for perhaps a slightly higher price.
Happy Easter Everyone. Hope all the kids get lot of Easter candy and be able to go to the local Easter egg hunts.
I was on McDonalds twitter site. They have a note to the Drudgereport.com that they are appalled over the incident at one of their restaurants in Baltimore. This is so disgusting but in a lot of ways shows what happens when there is no discipline, or responsibility for actions. Now where was the discipline when these girls were growing up. My heart just breaks for the hurt girls family.
With as poorly run as the MHSD is, Jim Alexander is unopposed for his position on the MHSD Board. Not a single person within that zone could find the time to run. That is where the accountability begins. The article in the paper this week was a joke. The MHSD and their Board should be ashamed.
The time has come to send a message loud and clear to the Mountain Home School District. Everyone one in this town has to live within their means and the MHSD is no exception. By voting no on this levy, you are not hurting education, rather sending a clear signal that the residents of our town will no longer tolerate the district's mismanagement of our hard earned dollars in an economy that can no longer support waste and fraud. Building certainly need upkeep, this is not debatable. However, are the schools bidding out repairs to the lowest bidder or are these jobs being given to brother Harry or cousin Eddie? Do we know? I don't believe we do but I am certain of one thing; the residents of this town are awake and are not going to follow suit anymore just because the MHSD states we need to because "it's good for the children." At least, that is my hope.
A lot of things were stated in the last levy. Such as new hiring of P or VP's. What was the first thing that the MHSD did? Hired a VP!
Until the money supply is cut off and the MHSD is made to work within a budget---they will continue to WASTE money and defraud the public. Basic economics 101 (supply and demand). When the public wises up and demands accountability then we will see change. Until then, open your pocket books just a bit more and invest in some rubber gloves.
I hate to say I told you so on this one folks but I did. A number of us have worked really hard on fact finding with respect to the MHSD. The span of time has been a number of years. You have been lied to over and over. If you complainers really want change and accountability...VOTE THE CURRENT MHSD BOARD OUT!
If not, expect more of the same and tax increases for the rest of your time here in MH.
The MHSD is exempt from this economy. JUST ASK EM!!!!!
Did ya all notice how they worded the levy amount this time. Only $925,000 a year. Guess they didn't want to give the 5 year grand total so it wouldn't sound like so much so people will vote yes on this levy too.
You're right Observer... The sky is falling. Yes, we must close the schools. LOL Overreact much? What some of us are saying is that the school district will learn to manage their money only when they are forced to. They will have to prioritize just like everyone else. If they are too dim-witted not to anticipate, and budget for (out of their REGULAR budget) upkeep on facilities, then they ought not be teaching anybody anything.
Your hilarious, your leap from living within a budget doesn't matter if you're a family or a school district to CLOSING THE SCHOOLS is a grand canyon. With your way of thinking then the two year levy that just passed will have to automatically be renewed for the good of the school no matter the financial or state of education. Everyone has taken a hit in this economy with the value of the dollar falling, gas prices increasing as well as the price of other goods like food. I guess school districts, administrators and teachers are exempt from any cuts or budget restriction. Soon only politician's educators will be able to afford homeownership. How is that for a LEAP....it works both ways.
Brilliant thinking. Close the schools we suddenly cant afford to fund at a lower level than ever before, pocket the dough, and in just a few years the whole population will be as intelligent as the folks who post here. What time is American Idol on again?
Observer,
Continued fleecing, if they would have thought about this levy (temporary fix) was running out one would think they would have the foresight to figure that into the budget. Nope they wait until they can stick their greedy hands back into the homeowner's pockets for more.
So what's the point of these things expiring if they absolutely HAVE to be renewed or the buildings will just all crumble to the ground. Why don't they just permanately raise taxes if that's the case.
Be ready parents for your kids to come home and tell you how if this levy doesn't pass, they will all have to start wearing hardhats and steel-toed boots to school.
This levy isnt an increase, it's to continue the current plant levy that has been in place for a long time. It wont add anything new to your taxes, and is actually for less than the one expiring. The maintenance that is already in the budget comes from this levy. It's in the article.
Really??,
It doesn't really matter what it is for. What matters is the powers that be for the school district are worse than the people on the corner holding a sign. Their lies, mismanagement, or just plain greed. They need to stop with all these bonds and levies. I took a huge pay cut to keep my job as a lot of people have. Most are holding on by a thread, now they want more. They got the last levy then they got the funds from the government. But the government funds were for the teacher salaries only and couldn't be used on the facilities or kids. Using the kids a pawns and playing on fears is what the school district is good at. Anyway you slice it these taxes have to stop, people are tapped out.
Isn't building maintenance already calculated into the district budget every year? If the requests for money weren't so frequent then I would understand. But because they ARE so frequent, then it leads me to believe they don't know how to handle money very efficiently.
For those of you commenting on the new school levy, take a look at what it is for. This is not for textbooks, teacher's salaries, programs or anything else. This levy is a facility levy that is for the upkeep of the buildings and plants within the school district. Nobody is being greedy and this is nothing more than seeking the funds to keep the buildings in good repair. In fact, they are asking for less than what initially expected.
uncommon....I loved your comment. Sounds like the way to go to me.
Seems to me like people are having trouble with traffic. If you can't get a license plate number, then you're probably out of luck. The person who got a number off of the Mtn Home Water truck, call the City and tell them, the person who has trouble with Bowman's drivers, call them. I don't know that any of those people read here so stating it here would do no good. Calling the businesses and letting them know would be the best thing. If they don't do anything, at least you have done the right thing by calling them. Next time, call the cops and let them know what's going on.
Can someone tell me why the Bowman workers do not have to abide by the speed limit? I get blown off the road by the Bowman trucks almost everyday I venture out on the street. I mean.. they do great work from what I understand (besides the fact they have monopolized the industry in this town), but is that any reason to RACE up and down the street and put everyone else in danger? ~just curious
Another levy for the school? Seriously? Why don't we all just sell off all of our possessions, except for one change of clothes, and give all the procedes to the school district. Then in 2-5 years, when they are again out of money, we can all sell our one change of clothes and give the money to the school district, who will STILL not have done what they needed to do in the first place.
Also I was wondering if anyone knows for sure about the extra days the district added to the calendar. Is it true they did that because they got some extra money? If so, wouldn't that have been better spent on textbooks and other supplies?
The main thing here is we lost another person. My thoughts to the family for losing a child. Let them grieve without being harassed by stupidity.
Actually......
At military funerals, one often sees three volleys of shots fired in honor of the deceased veteran. This is often mistaken by the laymen as a 21-gun salute, although it is entirely different (in the military, a "gun" is a large-calibered weapon. The three volleys are fired from "rifles," not "guns." Therefore, the three volleys isn't any kind of "gun salute," at all).
Anyone who is entitled to a military funeral (generally anyone who dies on active duty, honorably discharged veterans, and military retirees) are to the three rifle volleys, subject to availability of honor guard teams. This is not a 21-gun salute, nor any other type of "gun salute." They are simply three rifle volleys fired. The firing team can consist of any number, but one usually sees a team of eight, with a noncommissioned officer in charge of the firing detail. Whether the team consists of three or eight, or ten, each member fires three times (three volleys).
The three volleys comes from an old battlefield custom. The two warring sides would cease hostilities to clear their dead from the battlefield, and the firing of three volleys meant that the dead had been properly cared for and the side was ready to resume the battle.
The flag detail often slips three shell-casings into the folded flag before presenting the flag to the family. Each casing represents one volley.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/jointserv...
MHres,
Please let it go.
MHresident
Really this is how an Honorably Discharged Veteran acts within the community. I would personally like to thank the rest of the VETS that read this board for maintaining their bearing.
MHresident
Why don't you ask the agency that approved the honor. It is up to them whether to order the 21 gun salute. I really think it is something you need to take up with them. A sense of decorum is not political correctness. Why don't you just visit the grave site and yell and scream or do whatever it is you need to do to JUSTIFY your feelings of anger over this.
Workingbee,
I did check the facts, mabye you should! I offered my condolences to the family. As far as making them feel good, thats for a Priest or pastor. I do take it as a slap in the face to all of our boys serving or honorably discharged. We are at war he could have been caught and shot. He made this decision for himself. As far as Political correctness goes, thats for Decietfull and lying people to scared to tell the truth.
Honorably Discharged Veteran
Old Guy, Glad you are ok... I had the pleasure of watching White Truck #14 from the City of Mountain Home Wastewater and Water Dept. race down I-84 this morning at at least 90 mph. I was doing 85 just to get out of his way. Too bad the car he tailgated for the next 8 miles didn't. He certainly would have made it past the Broadway exit earlier than 7:45 am. So should I call that water department or the Mayors office, do you really think anything will happen.... doubt it.
Theres your problem old guy. White pickup man had his bottle of wine BEFORE he went out there. You're doing it all wrong.
Just wanted to pass along a word of thanks.
Thanks to the guy in a white dodge pickup truck on Strike Dam Cutoff Road that decided to pass a car when he could not see very far. My wife and I throughly enjoyed the bottle of wine we had when we got home to calm our nerves down. We enjoyed you almost hitting us head-on or forcing us into the ditch. I guess you getting to the lake faster than all the other cars justified placing 3 other families at risk. Thanks again.
Despite your feelings on the matter, those who claim to be "proud vets" with-in the community, and believe this is the right time, right place, and the right forum to express feelings of "outrage" or to question military honors at a funeral of a young man who may or may not have made a decision (good or bad). Remember what military bearing is and maintain it. I expect better from vets within the community. This is a conversation to have at a DAV meeting or American legion not here.
MHresident....How do you know that young man was AWOL or that that young man deserted the Navy? Regardless I would hate to be a relative or friend and have to read a comment like that. They have enough pain to deal with without having to read something like that. You shouldn't speak ill of someone who has died.
Since we don't know the facts... he was still a veteran.. why don't you share the facts you have instead of talking out the side of your mouth...
Observer and workingbee,
We all mourn the loss of a young life cut short by tragedy. But, as a proud veteran who served his country honorably (as have many in this area) I do not find MHresident's comment out-of-line.
The use of the word "outrage" may have been a bit strong, but, to question the "honors" given a young man AWOL from the Navy during a time of war (the term "Deserter" may apply) seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Although the "honors" rendered were surely a comfort to his mourning friends and family, they could also be considered a slap in the face to those of us who served honorably during peace and war.
Time and Place MHresident, if you are indeed a military veteran than I am sure you have heard of military bearing.
Observer, I couldn't agree with you more. I actually asked to have MHResident's comment removed do to malice.
MHResident:
A tragedy, the end of a precious human life, suffering, sorrow and grief for the family and friends, and all you have to offer is your "outrage" at the number of guns fired at his memorial? Your outrage at something that insubstantial is itself outrageous, akin to the Phelps crew shouting their outrageous beliefs at soldiers' funerals.
North 10 East to be repaved. What street does the Mayor live on?
This question is a little dated, Can anyone tell me why the young man killed in a traffic accident in Grandview was given a 21 gun salute at his funeral, when he deserted the Navy and was AWOL at the time of his death? My condolences for the family, but as a veteran this is outrageous.
Who said the death penalty isn't a deterrent?
http://www.suntimes.com/4828757-573/man-...
The reason tax day was changed to the 18th this year, guess the State went along with the Federal tax day.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110413/ap_o...
Actually, the Idaho State Tax Commission Website shows April 18th as the deadline. (Not applicable to State Representative Phil Hart, who has no deadline since he pays no taxes.)
http://tax.idaho.gov/
While the IRS has changed the deadline for filing taxes for 2010 the state of Idaho has not. The deadline for filing your taxes with the state remains April 15th.
No biggy Brenda, once all those late filers are pulling their hair out Friday, they can figure out they have a couple more days to finish pulling out their hair to meet the deadline. LOL
MHNews staff, you have on your calendar tax day as 15 Apr and I believe tax day this year is 18 Apr, can't remember the reason for the change but the IRS site also shows 18 Apr.
Yes, very much FairyTale.
Best wishes,
I noticed that ancestry.com has added a lot of new documents to their web site about the civil war and I think they have a week of free looks.
Sorry everyone. I went home yesterday and did not look at the web site until this morning. Jesse is no longer with us. Have a good day. B
Any one throw something up at night hawks in the evening? Get frogs and pollywogs out of the ditch under the doughnut tree? Ride your bike in the ditch that ran along North 10th East, climbed the trees that were at the corner of N 10 E and E 10 N? Spending your hard earned allowance at Gridley's or the Red Barn? Played cowboys and indians or war with everyone from a two block radius? Poured water down whistle pig holes in an attempt to flush them out? Smashed ants with hammers. Became blood brothers by scratching mosquito bites til they bled. We were seldom bored. I wouldn't trade the memories for anything.
I agree that kids these days don't know how to entertain themselves, and I don't totally support all the new gadgetry available; but, we should remember it is no longer safe for kids to be out roaming whenever and wherever anymore. The violent crime rate is much higher than "back in the day." It is sad. Also, much of this new-age stuff is being supported by "back-in-the-day" adults. My teen is just as spoiled as the next, but "monkey see, monkey do." Taking her cell phone and car keys for a few days is like sending her to the torture chamber. It's such a sad sight to behold.........NOT!! LOL We rely on many of these items more than they do. Because of this, I think we shouldn't be too hasty to criticize THEM. After all, did WE not create the little "monsters?" Aren't WE the ones providing all this technology to them? This is what they learn and know from us, and times truly have changed.........some for the better.............some not. It's just the world we live in today.
(Albert, hope you are enjoying your new position in Boise....Reb-)
Just an FYI for the webmaster: The site calender continues to reflect El Ada Bingo, which has unfortunately closed their doors due to sponsorship issues. Hopefully they will reopen soon, but their last night was March 25th, yet the site calender continues to promote it. Minor note, but thought I would mention it :)
OpinionMissy, I remember playing kick-the-can as well. We played as long as we could still see the can, and by then, it was time to bathe and get ready for bed. You are indeed right, if the weather was nice, we were outdoors playing. That is how it still should be.
Played the game Kick the Can well into the night. When it was nice, we did not stay in. We also managed not to get in trouble...and did it without a 6.5 million dollar facility that will serve 17% of this community. Imagine that! I also had parents that parented. Imagine that!
I(heart):
Indeed it is great that the work is being done. I still find it sad that it will eat into the funds that should have gone to the kids so they could play. But at least it is being done and thank goodness to the kind souls who donate time, etc.
Eagle:
Great post.
R.I.P. Wakelee and prayers and kind wishes to Bob who loved her so much and took care of her through her illness. She will be missed greatly.
Mountain Home lost a wonderful woman today. Wakelee Bledsoe touched so many peoples hearts with the wonderful care she gave her patients and the security she gave their parents knowing that they were in the best of care. I am so grateful to have had the blessing of having Wakelee in my life as a friend and someone who took such good care and love to my children. Thank you Wakelee for touching ours lives you will be missed but never forgotten.
Your right Albert, there is alot more than could have went with it, I just posted it the way I got it. Your also so right kids in my day could always find something to do that kept them out of trouble for the most part. Was alot of times parents didn't even know where you were at all day, but I think in the back of my mind they knew where to look if they wanted to LOL Thanks for the comment.
Eagle Eye, thank you for the stroll down memory lane. You didn't mention, but I'm confident you were thinking, that back in the day kids actually played with each other outside until well after dark and didn't need to be entertained by game boxes powered by electricity.
Best wishes,
Albert Clement
Guesss my age is showing knowing I remember to much as a kid in this e-mail.
In the line at the store, the cashier told the older woman that plastic bags weren't good for the environment. The woman apologized to her and explained, "We didn't have the green thing back in my day."
That's right, they didn't have the green thing in her day.
Back then, they returned their milk bottles, Coke bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, using the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.
But they didn't have the green thing back her day.
In her day, they walked up stairs, because they didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. They walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time they had to go two blocks.
But she's right. They didn't have the green thing in her day.
Back then, they washed the baby's diapers because they didn't have the throw-away kind. They dried clothes on a line, not in an energy
gobbling machine burning up 220 volts -- wind and solar power really did dry the clothes. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.
But that old lady is right, they didn't have the green thing back in her day.
Back then, they had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a pizza dish, not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In the kitchen, they blended and stirred by hand because they didn't have electric machines to do everything for you. When they packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, they used wadded up newspaper to cushion it, not styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.
Back then, they didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. They used a push mower that ran on human power. They exercised by working so they didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.
But she's right, they didn't have the green thing back then.
They drank water from a faucet when they were thirsty, instead of using a plastic bottle every time they had a drink of water. They refilled pens with ink, instead of buying a new pen, and they replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.
But they didn't have the green thing back then.
Back then, people took the bus and kids rode their bikes to school or rode the school bus, instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service. They had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And they didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.
Isn't it a shame that we didn't have "the green thing" back then!
Very, very sad.... She was a great person as well as a great doctor. She's going to be missed by so many. Prayers to her family.
I just heard that Dr. Wakelee Bledsoe has died...R.I.P
Missy - I agree. The REC district should have donated the facilities outright considering so many kids use them (as well as the school district). It benefits the entire community to have clean, well-maintained, sturdy facilities to support our programs. The improvements were much needed and will truly benefit all the kids and the program as a whole. At least it's getting done, right? ;)
I(heart):
I think it is very sad that the Let's Play money is being used for that project. The WECRD takes in nearly $500,000 in tax dollars. They have taxed for 10 years and provide VERY LITTLE recreation, yet that is the charter of their creation. It is also the charter of their creation that they provide recreation for ALL---not a select few or a small group of people.
The Let's Play Grant is a great thing, if the money is spent the way it should be. The WECRD should have donated ALL of the money for that and allowed ECYB to put those funds toward the kids.
Nobody can go to meetings. Nobody knows what is going on or how money is being spent and I guess when the rubber meets the road, nobody cares. It is sad.
The WECRD Let's Play grant that Elmore County Youth Baseball received is paying for about half of the new dugout materials and labor. Two Eagle scout projects have provided some of the work as well (labor for painting, benches, roofs). City Parks and Rec refused to contribute anything and have not done any improvements to the fields in over 15 years. The fields do no belong the the School District, they are city-owned fields. A great deal of the materials and labor has also been donated by ECYB parents/coaches, etc. ECYB fundraisers go back into their program, such as field improvements and equipment. This is a project they have been working towards for a long time.
Curious:
I would bet that the WECRD donated the funds for that project (that was a joke). Good question! Perhaps someone will respond with the facts on that one. With all of these "budget cuts" there sure are some nifty projects underway in this community. Most funded through taxes (grants, etc. included).
I noticed some nice, new dugouts being built at the ballpark adjacent to the Annex building at the High School. Are these paid for by the school district or are they Parks and Rec facilities?
Where has all the money gone from the last 10-15 years?
What "cuts" have really been made and been stuck with?
In one of the worst economic downturns this country has seen since the Great Depression---WHEN DO THESE PEOPLE STOP DEMANDING MORE MONEY to live beyond their means? WHEN DOES IT END?
We have more people on food stamps, more people unemployed, record numbers of people not paying child support (in part due to job loss), property values in the toilet, record numbers of empty homes (and climbing) and the MHSD "needs" more money!
Really??????????????????????????????????????????
MHSD 193 Calling for a 5-year Plant Facility Election
*Resolution 11-05 - Calling for a 5-year Plant Facility Election
◦$925,000
◦$185,000 less than last year's
◦Will lower current Plant Facility assessment rate
◦Cannot be used for salaries, benefits, or operating expenses
◦Can be used to maintain buildings, equipment, plumbing, electricity, and all other items in accordance with Idaho Code, Title 33
*Voters with their primary residence within the Mountain Home School District 193 boundaries may vote for the Plant Facility Levy
*Elmore County now runs all school district elections
This is a very important program that is going to get less funding
http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/Lawmakers...
As MtnHomeRes has said "Not 1 penny. Not 1 penny more until a full accounting of all monies received by the Mountain Home School District. I suggest hiring outside auditors with no stake in the district so we all can be sure that the results of the audit are fair and accurate. That would be money well spent." I couldn't agree more, now lets see what would come of that. Our good teachers and kids need to know that they are supported !!!
A really good use of money wold have been for somebody within Jim Alexander's District to have run AGAINST him. Thank goodness people ran for the other seats on the MHSD Board that are open.
I also agree with MHRes. Where has all the money gone over the last 10-15 years? That is the multi-million dollar question. You cannot expect change without new blood. May the new folks win!!
Change is needed for sure.
That's the ticket! Crank out poor legislation, waste our time and dollars, but wait! Lets increase the hours that we can sell liquor! Grand idea.
We can kick our uneducated kids out with a laptop and all the access to the liqour store that they can afford. Now, that's a plan to be proud of!
HaHaHaHa it's amazing!!! Really it's is!!!!
Spare a dime
MtnHomeRes
I agree with you 100 per cent.
Congratulations Tom Luna, Butch Otter and the state legislature for having the courage to buck the trend of putting more and more money into a broken and badly mismanaged public education system! Hooray for the students who will benefit greatly from better teachers and better equipment. The 21st century has arrived in Idaho. Everyone stand up and Cheer! Now, it's time to fix the broken school districts and their utter mismanagement that has run our schools into a financial quagmire. Not 1 penny. Not 1 penny more until a full accounting of all monies received by the Mountain Home School District. I suggest hiring outside auditors with no stake in the district so we all can be sure that the results of the audit are fair and accurate. That would be money well spent.
We should all take a moment this morning to thank the Almighty for our legislators. Not only did they silently lead us into this educational quagmire but they did it while patting each other on the back.
With the final leg of the educational stool before the house today some of our fearless housemembers are actually making their opponents have some lady, READ THE WHOLE BILL. What statesmanly skill. What genius. What cunning. This will surley get the bill voted down. How wounded must the proponents of 1184 be?
The defense of our teachers and education in general has been completely inept but at least our legislators suck. So on this day when education dies in Idaho the questions still remain, where is the competing bill? Who put the bill forward with reasonable education reform. Legislate by pouting when something you don't like comes up. By no means put forward your own legislation.
http://idahoptv.org/leglive/legBody.cfm?...