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It is public record. Ms. Mayne and Mr. Nelson will run. Both have been pretty involved and know the WECRD. Awwwwww. The end of the "Molly folly" and 3 stooges comedy in MH each month. Now, this project may really have some hope. I guess we shall see. Come on NOVEMBER!!!
If someone is going to run against the 2 positions up for election on the WECRD board this fall are they going to keep it a secret or jump up and tell the people in the WECRD and what they may have in mind.
finally the talk only opposition to the recreation district is talking some real action. there are two outsiders running for the two open seats. this should settle the controversy.
@Eagle_eye,
The article you posted a link to is reporting funding for a statewide revision in testing. All districts in Idaho will be a part of this, including Mountain Home. It doesn't affect funding for salaries, supplies or building maintenance. It is for changes in statewide testing.
Thanks for posting the link... the article has some good information.
Read and decide for yourself and wait to see what this district does.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/09/02...
Isn't it our responsibility as parents/citizens to make sure our children get the education they deserve? If you are saying "we" would be better off, who is "we?" If you mean society in general, wouldn't that imply that we depend on kids and young adults to become well educated? If we fail to allow them to set and reach higher goals how will they ever attain them? "If you are lazy, you are lazy" are you saying if the student is lazy and doesn't want to learn it's their fault? Where do parents, peers, and members of the community fall in line. One cannot blame a child for being a child we have all been teenagers at one point in time. We as a society demand the best from our young adults, why not give them every tool possible to allow them to be our future leaders. We as adults gripe when we don't have the equipment we demand at work, yet we let our children get by with a lower standards and equipment then we allow ourselves to get by with.
We have the finest first reponders here in Mountain Home. Our safety and health are well cared for here in Mountain Home. I sleep well knowing our Fire Dept. Sherriffs Dept, Ambulance Crew and Mt. Home Police are second to none. Well done men and women!
Ms. Lauric,
"The sooner you kids take responsibility for YOUR education the better off we will all be. All of this fancy stuff---like the building that was proposed---was not going to help you learn. If you are lazy, you are lazy. If you do not want to learn and make the most of your education then you turn out the way that you turn out."
-Almost all of those statistics I spouted out were the standards that the state set for our education system. Very few of them had to do with actual success of students. I didn't imply that students in Idaho don't succeed, because they do. I am saying that our standards are low! Who says students aren't taking responsibility for their education? Now, if you would like I could give you some statistics on the success of students in Idaho. I am afraid that you will take what I am saying as contradictive to my earlier post. Just because we (as students) are able to be successful with the low standards set by the state, doesn't mesn the state should not raise these standards, so even all the students merely 'getting by' have met our new higher standards. Maybe if the state raised our education standards (in every way) there would be less people on welfare!!!
"As far as welfare---we have generation welfare in this country. People who think it is their right to breed over and over and live off of those of us that work. It is many times bred into people. They learn from a very early age how to work the system. If our welfare system drug tested, 70% of the people on welfare would be off welfare. If we had mandatory sterilization for people who breed for "sport" we would have less people on welfare. An MBA would not help this class of people because they have been raised/bred to do as little as they can to get by---just like you speak of---and collect a check."
Ms. Lauric, you could never convince me that better education standards and better educational facilities for the people who are on welfare, wouldn't reduce the amount of people on welfare.
"They learn from a very early age how to work the system." - you even admit that it has to do with what these individuals have been taught. So, apparently these individuals have recieved a very low standard of education if according to you, this is all they know.
"your life is what you CHOOSE to make of it. I am sorry that you feel the taxpayers of this community are responsible to motivate you and keep you in fancy schools, etc. I would direct you to once again read the law on what you are "ENTITLED" to as far as education. If you choose to be lazy and just get by, that is on you and your parents. A big, fancy school was not going to help you."
This is my problem.
'I would direct you to once again read the law on what you are "ENTITLED"'-YOU are implying here that our standards are low. Our state mandates do not require much. I believe the law needs to change. We should expect more of our schools, students, teachers, and education system in every way. Why should we only give our students the bare minimum? Why should we want to be stingy and cheap with our education system?
"Many of our grandparents, probably yours included, were educated in 1 room school houses." -This was acceptable then, because most people didn't have to continue their education past high school... heck, some didn't even have to finish high school to be successfull in that time. In today's world, it is extremely unlikely that I would be as successful as my 'very wise grandfather' (who by the way IS very wise and successful! (: ) with the same education that he recieved.
"No fancy gyms, no computers." -- Actually, in today's world, as a college student you cannot be successful if you do not know how to use a computer. Many of our jobs and industries and schools are turning to computers. Computers are now essential to our society/education system.
yoB:
Will a big gym with all of the bells help you to learn algebra? Will a big fancy computer lab make you any better at working a computer if you do not put in the effort? No.
The sooner you kids take responsibility for YOUR education the better off we will all be. All of this fancy stuff---like the building that was proposed---was not going to help you learn. If you are lazy, you are lazy. If you do not want to learn and make the most of your education then you turn out the way that you turn out.
Many of our grandparents, probably yours included, were educated in 1 room school houses. No fancy gyms, no computers. All of this kids in 1 room. Wow! 60-100 kids in 1 room...how did they ever become productive members of society in conditions like that?!?!?!?! Well, they did and even managed to survive the great depression without welfare. Why? Because they had a work ethic and a life ethic.
yoB, your life is what you CHOOSE to make of it. I am sorry that you feel the taxpayers of this community are responsible to motivate you and keep you in fancy schools, etc. I would direct you to once again read the law on what you are "ENTITLED" to as far as education. If you choose to be lazy and just get by, that is on you and your parents. A big, fancy school was not going to help you.
As far as welfare---we have generation welfare in this country. People who think it is their right to breed over and over and live off of those of us that work. It is many times bred into people. They learn from a very early age how to work the system. If our welfare system drug tested, 70% of the people on welfare would be off welfare. If we had mandatory sterilization for people who breed for "sport" we would have less people on welfare. An MBA would not help this class of people because they have been raised/bred to do as little as they can to get by---just like you speak of---and collect a check.
I would suggest having a conversation with your very wise grandfather on how bad your life is being subjected to the education system we have here. Let him explain how things SHOULD work. Then, your next beef should be with the MHSD and all of the over-paid folks at the top. They are no better than AIG. The reason kids in the district do not have enough books is because the MHSD cannot manage their money. Why does the money man for the MHSD make over $40.00 per hour? Why does the McMurtrey family make over $160,000? Why is our education system more about sports and LESS about, of all things, EDUCATION?
Nice data yoB. Now how about the stats on the MHSD? Let us see how we measure up and if WE, as taxpayers, get what we pay for. Now that is a good read.
Source: U.S. Dept. of Ed., Natl. Ctr.
According to this source, in FY 2005 Idaho was ranked no. 45 in the country for Student/teacher ratio.
Idaho was ranked no. 30 for average teacher salary.
Idaho was ranked no. 13 for Percent of Students Reporting Incidents in Previous 12 Months.
Idaho was ranked no. 50 for Combined Federal, State, and Local Revenues Per Pupil.
In Idaho, it was estimated that only 77% of students graduated high school on time.
In Idaho, it was estimated that only 34% of students immediately enter college after high school.
In Idaho, it was estimated that only 22% of students were still enrolled in college their sophomore year of college.
In Idaho, it was estimated that only 14% of students graduated college on time.
Again.... all of this was from 2004-2006 US Department of Education.
Education Week's Quality Counts in 2007 ranked Idaho at number 35.
Idaho has some of the lowest educational standards in the nation.
-- Posted by yoB on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 9:29 PM
Please provide your source.
Ms. Lauric,
"So...did the kids "need" an indoor track and multiple basketball courts? Nope! Not a state mandate. Did the gym need to be 2 levels? Nope. Not a state mandate. Those are the facts I made reference to."
Regardless of 'state mandates' our education system always has and always will be what we put into it. Idaho has some of the lowest educational standards in the nation. If you want less people on welfare and more people working then it would only be logical to push for higher educational standards in everyway. Facilities, teaching requirements, core classes, books, etc. Your ignorant standard of only supporting what is 'state mandated' is often the reason why certain situations never improve. Example: At the point where I am only doing what is least required of me in school, I am never working to improve my education to become a doctor, lawyer, politician, etc. I am merely 'getting by.' If everyone went by your standard of only what is 'state mandated' we would all just be high school graduates. I am not in anyway saying that students cannot graduate unless they have and indoor track, I am just saying that by increasing our lowest standards.... we would only be improving our population.
Ahem,
I was not referring to either of the "reports" you mentioned. And if my comments appear "arrogant" and "ignorant" to you, well, maybe your manner of conversing has rubbed off on me a bit. After all, you and your disciples own this venue, right? So it would only be natural to follow your ways. You and your chosen ones can't accept any dissent whatsoever from your ideals and beliefs on how things should go for any situation, whatsoever, discussed on the BB.
So please spare me the lesson on what does and doesn't count as valid opinion on this site. You devalued it ALL a long time ago.
When you walk into a shoe store, does the clerk ask you to pay for your shoes in advance(presuming you knew the price of what you were going to purchase...and, that they had it in your size or color?)
When you go shopping for groceries, are you asked to pay in advance for what you probably don't know the total price of?
Now, these rhetorical questions probably don't need much thought before you answer (with experience), "no way...how would I know how much to pay for something I haven't placed in the shopping cart yet?"
Transition to Sunday, 29 August 2010. My wife and I drove up to the Mirastar gas station next to Walmart to fill up the old Jimmy. I've been fueling up here for years, but this time things didn't work out as expected. First, when I punched in the octane button at the pump, there was no reponse from the cashier's box. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th push on the button didn't improve things. I made eye contact with the lady in the glass box and raised two fingers (because I was standing next to pump number two). She turned her back to me and appeared to chat with a few cartons of smokes that were trapped in the same box as her. Sensing a breakdown in communications, I walked over to her window and asked her if there was a problem with pump number two. She said, " Sir, you have to prepay." I said, "I don't know how much it will cost to fill my tank." She said, "Sir, it's prepay." I said, "You've got to be kidding." And drove out of the gas station...never to return.
After buying a few items at Walmart, my spiritual advisor and I decided to fill the Jimmy up at the nearby Pilot. When we drove in, we saw a sign that said.."Pay at Pump." I said to spouse, "Looks like they sell gas here, but want you to pay up front before pumping." Sensing my discontent, said empress walked into the cashier's area and said she would stand by and write a check for whatever amount of gas my Jimmy would take. The fellow at the cash register said, "We don't take local checks."
In frustration and dire need of fuel, I walked in and said, "Here's twenty bucks. It's the last $ I'll ever spend in this place."
Two things are now evident to me: Mirastar and Pilot do not offer service to customers. Their policy leads me to believe that they think they are better off treating their customers as potential thieves (folks who pump and run) rather than people they would like to sell more of their product to.
Prepay is an insult. Not accepting local checks means you don't respect local residents. Without a change in attitude to us locals, these two outfits will never sell me another ounce of octane to me and mine.
Homeless,
You may remember the words printed below. It seems now that these words apply to you. In my opinion you have no stake in any of these issues but instead, choose to use your energy in an effort to discredit one individual.
"Isn't it great to watch to the scorn of two people? Instead of actually attempting to come together and fix what they perceive as a problem, (I guess none of us other citizens care enough) they go for each others throats like a pack of those pesky wolf's we all love to shoot so much. Awww conservatism such a lovely process to see up close; watch as the righteous few will begin casting stones by comparing the other to a rival politician. 'O' you Obama supporters such a crazy bunch always failing at things and the use of "ObamaMissy," I must say outstanding!"
-- Posted by Mtnhomeless on Sat, Aug 28, 2010, at 12:36 PM
Thanks opinionmissy I'm glad you see it my way :)
Homeless:
You are correct. I did not comment at the gym during the levy hearings/meetings. I had little info on the subject at that point and needed to do my own research and did not feel at that point in time that I could make any comments based on facts/data. I did however go to the MHSD Board Meeting on the subject and I did speak. If there is one thing that I have learned about the MHSD it is that they are less than truthful with the public and if they say the sky is blue, it is still best to see for yourself.
As far as class size goes...I offer up no sympathy on the issue. Many of us out there learned in less than ideal conditions with high student numbers, etc. Many of us even managed to pass our standardized tests and score above average---in less than ideal conditions mind you. Many of us went on to become college graduates, etc. My education was what I made of it. I had good teachers, outstanding teachers, boring teachers and teachers who just collected a check and could have cared less if you learned or not. The point is, my education was my deal.
So...did the kids "need" an indoor track and multiple basketball courts? Nope! Not a state mandate. Did the gym need to be 2 levels? Nope. Not a state mandate. Those are the facts I made reference to.
I am glad that you could care less where your taxes go or what your money is spent on. Must be nice but then I am sure you have far more pressing issues in your life than 10 years of taxes for nothing. Good for you.
O OpinionMissy, did I strike a nerve? I have read these post's for awhile now (its kinda like the national enquirer) as far as my facts honestly I don't feel like looking through all the comments made by you and others to find every degrading thing you have written to someone. Please accept my deepest apologizes.
Now on to facts I mean "garbage" I'm pretty sure I never said you are "against anything that will improve MH or make my taxes higher." Personally I think everyone has the right to speak what they believe as long as they stand by it. I'm a little tired of everyone getting their opinions from fox and friends, I think it's great that you donate time and money to youth programs let's just hope they are tax deductable. Poop in a group? I can't even begin to explain how nice that is, if you don't mind I think I will take that from you and use it if that ok. I also realize the levy was not to buy books, that is what some call a "hypothetical" or "pseudo-example," they are meant to convey some reality while adding in just a pinch of sarcasm. The levy that just passed gave money to the schools correct? If so, is it not the schools whom provide books to the children weird.
The Bond, school bond. Let's see classrooms roughly have 25+ kids some 30, well let's not provide them with any help. The strange thing is I don't remember you standing up and fighting the school dist. at the meetings. The BIG gym, I know why would anyone want are kids to have nice equipment ludicrous isn't it. Also if you looked into the state requirements the gym's do need to be a specific spec to allow let's say basketball to be played. (one of the reasons the jr. high is still a jr. high) its seems like you know so much about the school dist. do you work there I wonder.
Aww WECRD, to tell you the truth I am one of those that really could care less about it. If they build it great we need a nice community center in this town ever since the Racquet ball center closed. If they don't well I will just continue going to Boise to work out. Such is life. Honestly I may not be alone in this thought but why would I want to go a meeting when I know 3-4 of the patrons will only argue, bicker, complain, and wait for it BEG. Kinda turns someone away from social construct.
And the senior comment I'm not really sure what I would have lied about. The comment I made said nothing about truth, it was all about sarcasm. It was something to the effect of I'm sure you would support a bond for an old folk's home it's not for the kids, something to that effect. What it meant to convey was you aren't a kid you are much closer to an old folks home then high school that's all. Personally I thought it was a funny I guess you didn't see it that way. Oops. Also I tend to agree there dose need to be a better place for our seniors, why don't you spearhead something like that rather than fighting a battle I'm sure you have already lost. No offence but sometimes you need to pick you battles not dwell on ones you think are preposterous.
The final judgment; I wake up every morning look in the mirror and say crap I'm losing more hair and honestly I'm not going to brag about what or how much of what and what I do for whom in the community. I don't look for praise from others not saying you do but I never questioned you intentions. I'm pretty sure I never said you were "AntiKids" just merely some of the projects that may help the kids that is all. On to the mean degrading child like ending (a single tear has fallen) I think I will rest on my poor hands, typing can take a lot out of a guy after all I'm homeless. I don't envy you counting staples man that would suck. I hope you get a lunch break and don't forget to stretch I would hate for you to pull something. Anyway have a great day have fun being in charge of the paperclips I hope the pens try not to cause a fight and try a magnet it might help with picking up all those staples.
Homeless:
I would ask if you state that I said something to someone that you at least have your facts together. To make it easy for you, here is my comment, in part:
"And MM, the Shaw Snow Report was ignored. The WECRD Board did not like what was in it and it was moth balled. So yes, it was ignored---just like the out of date before it was even done, $13,000 GreenPlay Report. So Mr. Hobby---know for which you speak. As always, you add so much to this debate with your arrogant, ignorant comments. Always a pleasure.
"
-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Mon, Aug 30, 2010, at 8:26 PM
As far as the rest of your garbage, it is well settled on this forum (at least according to some) that I am "against anything that will improve MH or make my taxes higher." This is not true. We donate to youth organizations in town. I also volunteer my time for various things as well. As far as your comment on the schools, if you had your poop in a group, you would have at least "fought" back with facts.
The levy that was just passed, does NOT buy books for the kids that need them. Had you done your research, you would know that.
The bond. Ah yes, the bond. The MHSD lied to the public and said that enrollment numbers were up when for years they were on the decline. When we checked the state website for the facts, and caught the MHSD with their pants down...that is when people started to see the light. They also wanted a BIG fancy gym, 2, 3 or 4 which they said was REQUIRED by the state. When we checked on that (and by "we" I mean people other than just me) that "fact" was simply not true. These are the things that make a person kind of doubt the integrity of those in charge---when they feel they must lie to get what they want.
As far as the WECRD. Up until a few months ago, the WECRD had given back to the youth of this community under $3,000.00 in 10 years. At the budget hearing last year, I BEGGED along with 2 other people for a line item in their budget to fund youth recreation programs. The WECRD Board----all 3---SAID NO.
As for seniors. I have sat on this BB and said time and time again how hard they have it and how they are on fixed incomes and need LESS tax. So, for you to say what you said was pretty much a lie on that front. I would very much like to see a nice place with rent control for seniors to live in our community based on income and ability to pay that is not a nursing home. I think that is a FAR more worthy project than the last 10 years of the WECRD, IMHO. And for your information---I spend a lot of time around town bringing food to seniors who are not well or just want something to eat.
So, while you sit in judgment of me, you probably need to take a really good, long look in the mirror. I cannot tell you when the last time was that I said no to someone who asked me for help. How about you?
Anti kids. That comment alone proves how ignorant a person really can be without much effort. Rest your poor little hands homeless. I know how taxing typing can be (me being in charge of paperclips and pens for a living and all). Must go and count staples now.
I would ask you the same question I asked eagle but unfortunately I think everyone on this site already know the outcome.
You tell twestall that he adds so much to the debate, I believe it was his ignorant and arrogant comment is that correct? So I ask you, who's being the arrogant and ignorant one. I seem to remember you telling someone to leave the town if they don't like it, isn't that the same thing twestall said. It is one thing to have a thought and belief it is a total different thing to egotistically hold yourself to a higher power. It is sad that people get away with this "crap" as you say, using a public forum to boost your image or at least in your own eyes and knocking anyone else who decides to post a thought. Your also right most people in the community do have jobs, kids, property to take care of, ect... there is a possibility the community just doesn't care "yadda-yadda-yadda" but is that really your job to sit on your pedestal and tell everyone else where to shove it? O I almost forgot about all the taxes that just "milk us dry." Wasn't it Reagan that said "No New Taxes." Good thing he didn't raise any taxes or we would have had a heck of a time O wait he did. It's kinda like complaining about how the roads are bad and not wanting to pay the tax to get it fixed.
Let's make a list
1. School levy (darn kids don't need books)
2. WECRD ( darn kids don't need a place to play)
3. School bond ( darn kids don't need a better facility)
I'm sure there is more but really I'm getting tired of writing. Although I'm sure if the city wanted to pass bond for an old folks home you would be all for it right? It's not for the kids.
Oh wow twestall, it was so nice of you and your 31 years how stupid everyone sounds on the BB. I see you put alot of effort into writing something good about Mt Home and all you have done with your 31 years here. Looks like you could try a bit better to help with all the problems to improve things. I have seen very few people that comment say they hate Mt. Home so maybe your the one that should leave or get that chip of your shoulder. You really got off to a good start with your comment. NOT, NOT, NOT.
Oh, some things good about MH.
Our MHN staff that fixed the web page/BB so it works faster.
The good, smart, involved people in this community who volunteer and donate their time.
The climate. What a GREAT day!!!!!!
And last but no least, my vet, the folks that care for my horses feet and the GREAT people who work at D & B and Greens.
There are a lot of other great things as well. Bazooka, Eagle, midea, vic, ST, LMH, etc. If you cannot see the forest for the trees...that is your problem. You have the choice not to read. What would the BB without Banter...oh wait...we had that.
It has nothing to do with not liking Mtn. Home at all. It has to do with survival. Would you like to over pay your income taxes and not get a refund? I would guess not. If you folks want a big fancy recreation center then start holding car washes, yard sales, etc. and build one with YOUR money. Do not rely on the tax payers for your recreation and "fun."
This economy is not going to get any better. We need to figure out what we can AFFORD and work with that.
It has nothing to do with not liking to live in MH. However, when you work hard and you cannot get ahead no matter how hard you work/try----being taxed like this tends to leave a bad taste even in Mother Theresa's mouth.
So, for those of you that want to bash on those of us who dare to speak up I put this out there for you. Go to 1-2 WECRD Meetings and see how you feel after one or two. These things are not fun or entertaining. It is sad. It is really sad and this people get away with this crap! Why? Because nobody wants to be bothered. Nobody has time. Someone is friends with someone on the Board yadda-yadda-yadda.
What about right and wrong?
And MM, the Shaw Snow Report was ignored. The WECRD Board did not like what was in it and it was moth balled. So yes, it was ignored---just like the out of date before it was even done, $13,000 GreenPlay Report. So Mr. Hobby---know for which you speak. As always, you add so much to this debate with your arrogant, ignorant comments. Always a pleasure.
Don't you have anything better to do with your lives than sound so stupid on the banter box! Try writing something good about Mt. Home. I have lived here for 31 years. Stop complaining.! Be part of the solution making our town great. If you don'e like Mt. Home than leave!
The original survey wasn't ignored.
Much better - Thanks Joy/Brenda.
Good news for all that been having a problem making a comment on the banter box. MH news had their tech person move the archives to another page and its working just fine for me now hope it works for all the rest that had the problem. Thanks Joy.
Mtnhomeless, It really doesn't matter how the surveys/reports go all of them have been ignored in the past and I see no reason these won't be ignored also. You may want to read the Shaw report of 2002 that was completely ignored. Haven't been able to find the cost of that one but I believe it was over $10,000. Again in 2008 there was the Green Play Report which you may want to read also that was completely ignored also and the cost of that one was $13,000. Then in 2010 there was the paper survey and I have never seen the cost for that am sure it was not free. Then in 2010 the Market Study that now cost $10,000 dollars. So back to my original question just how long are the taxpayers going to keep paying thousands of dollars for reports/surveys that get ignored in the long run. This is the link to the Market Study that cost $10,000 go ahead and read it. http://www.ymcatvidaho.org/index.cfm?ID=...
I could care less of what Glen Beck thinks of the WECRD or him even doing any kind of survey.
IMO surveys miss the mark. Who doesn't want a pool? The only question is can we afford what we want. The YMCA/CLDC generated building costs over three months ago but asked for those handouts back, rather than publish them at breakneck speed like they did the survey. Why would that be? The survey is flawed and being corrected but because it gave a boost to the pool nazis it was published right away with all its mistakes. Is it more likely that the CLDC hired a survey company that didn't realize that using the 2000 census numbers and adding in 40% growth that took place from 1990 to 2000 with the economic times of the last few years, would greatly skew the numbers, or that the survey and the breakneck speed with which it was published were designed to garner support for pools?
Option three will cost about 10 million to build. The WRECD has about 2 million right now. They save about 250 thousand a year. They are 8 million short, divided by 250 thousand saved per year it will take 32 years to get the money together. Oh but wait they can get donations. If they can make up this huge 8 million dollar shortfall with donations so easily, then why are they so tightfisted with the crummy little 250 thousand per year they squirrel away?
Out of pure curiosity;
Let's say a survey was taken to the tune of 10G's and of course not by phone, this "new" survey proved/suggested the majority of citizens in Mountain Home disapproved with WECRD building new REC center. What would be your reaction? Would you still write a similar post on how the Great Citizens of Mountain Home are WASTING their tax dollars?
Even better would you approve of a survey done by the illustrious free thinker Glenn "The Moroni" Beck on the contempt of liberal thinkers in America, or maybe one done on how conservative America views Obama.
Just how much more money are the tax payers going to put up with on surveys at WECRD.
Read the July minutes on the WECRD site.
http://www.wecrd.org/pdf/minutes/7-28-10...
Survey done by Starategic Research Associates ( Market Study for the CLDC to the tune of $10,000 that didn't really prove all that much.
This is one of the surveys.
http://www.wecrd.org/pdf/SurveyReport.pd... and this wasn't the phone survey.
By the time enough money is gathered to build anything all the surveys that have been done in the pass are outdated.
Whatever. Who cares. Not I.
Isn't it great to watch to the scorn of two people? Instead of actually attempting to come together and fix what they perceive as a problem, (I guess none of us other citizens care enough) they go for each others throats like a pack of those pesky wolf's we all love to shoot so much. Awww conservatism such a lovely process to see up close; watch as the righteous few will begin casting stones by comparing the other to a rival politician. 'O' you Obama supporters such a crazy bunch always failing at things and the use of "ObamaMissy," I must say outstanding!
People who would never question your credibility on spite of your repeated self-inflicted demonstrations to the contrary have another name: Obama supporters. Yes, ObamaMissy, you "failed"- if that's what you want to call it. There is hope for change after all.
Oh and Quid, while I am at it...since I am all about accountability let me have a few more parting shots to clear things up.
I did "fail" with the petition in that "I" did not have enough signatures to complete the task, the reasons for that clearly do not matter with you, and in the end all that matters is that I "failed" (never mind the others who had a hand in this). Oh well. I tried. I gave up weekends with my family, financial resources, etc. but at least I tried. I did NOT vote to create this taxing district and it is not my problem alone to fix.
There were about 9 people (not including the WECRD Board and their employees and attorney) at the last meeting. 4 of those people are the same people who waste their time, take time from their family and business to keep track of the 3 Stooges more commonly known as the WECRD Board and have done so for YEARS now. A taxing district that has STOLEN from the members of this community for over 10 years! Changed the way they tax us. Lied on Government forms to obtain appropriations funds (aka TAX DOLLARS). Donated OUR money to things other than recreation and the list goes on and on. Yet only 9 people cared enough to attend a meeting.
Well---pardon me if I do not feel inclined to WASTE more of my time on this than I already have. If members of the public are too darn lazy to attend meetings and see how YOUR money is being spent then I am too darn lazy to spend another 300 or so hours re-obtaining signatures to rid people of more taxes when they cannot be bothered to attend ONE stupid meeting. That feeling is pretty mutual among "my" group that went door to door and spent hours upon hours in parks and parking lots handing out info and obtaining signatures.
In a time where every dime, dollar and penny counts you would think some from the public could be involved a bit more. This is a lot of money we are talking about. And, according to the most recent results, we will be lucky to see a "facility" with a pool in the next 10 years unless the WECRD Board plans to go for a bond or get a loan (or lie on more federal forms to obtain money). So, while you sit out there and question my credibility----which you are correct---I "failed" remember that you are being taxed for this and you pay for the "free----appropriations" money that is being thrown at this project and still after 10 years...NOTHING.
So Quid, I have "failed." I am accountable for that and own that statement. Life is full of disappointment. I am pretty sure I will get over it and one day soon be able to show my face in public and face my critics. Like today---when I go to town. If you think I give a rats posterior what people think of me, you are wrong.
I "failed," I can admit that. It happens. I will not spend one more second of my life on that petition. If a town of 13,000+ could care less about it, neither do I. I am sure others feel the same way even if they choose not to say so.
Taxation without representation is just STUPIDTY. Voting something like this in without a business plan and solid plan was stupid! Allowing 10 years of taxes and tax increases is STUPID! I hope you all enjoy the nearly $1,000 per year a family will pay to join this abortion of a project---while you still PAY TAXES to support it. And to think that no elected official is willing to change any of this. Not one.
Yep, I "failed" and I am OKAY with that.
Yep Quid, you are 100% correct. I do not know how I will live with myself. I guess I will take the next 9-10 years to think about it. As for my credibility, those who know me would never question my motives, credibility, etc. People like that are the ones that matter---certainly not the likes of you.
As I said before, you can always take it over since you can do better. Otherwise, your credibility is really no better than mine. Enjoy your weekend. I am off to work.
In case you didn't see it, it's about YOUR credibility, and YOUR ethics, so let's just break it down for you:
YOUR words: "Well, I am here to report that we do."- You didn't have the signatures, and you don't have the signatures, but you said you did.
"The petition will be filed and go to a vote in February, 2010."- it wasn't. You, like our buddy Obama, promised something you couldn't possible deliver just to make yourself look good. Welcome to accountability via the Internet.
" I set out to dissolve this "organization" and I feel that I should see it through and will see it through."- And you didn't see it through, did you? What kind of ethics are those?
"I promised I would turn those signatures in. That is my duty."- Some sense of duty, huh?
"I must respect that position or I am no better than the WECRD Board with respect to honest communication and clear intentions."- You said it well with that one.
So quid...if you can do better, take it over. Get it done. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Show us what you have got. You have no idea how much time and money that petition cost to get where we did just to have some signatures withheld at the last seconds. You have no idea what went on, who was involved or what was done to try to correct the situation. Clueless you are. Clueless. But by all means...if you can do better, PLEASE do. Eagle will GLADLY get you all of the stuff we have.
OM, spouting 'facts' about her 'duty' and 'commitments', a year ago:
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/blogs/13...
What the Heck?
Posted Friday, August 28, 2009, at 9:24 PM
So, to close. Your office (the WECRD office) has stated that we do not have the signatures required to put this to a vote. Well, I am here to report that we do. When the "naysayers" started this we obtained the list of voters from the election office. We plan to obtain signatures at the budget hearing on August 26, 2009 and also at AFAD. The petition will then be turned in to the election office as required by law. We have reviewed our signatures and only had 4% that will not qualify to date. I suggest you folks gear up for a fight because the voters will now have their say with no time limits. If the WECRD would have been honest (past, present and future) this entire thing could have been avoided. We "missed" the date based on incorrect info. It is not a "legal," in print, published deadline. The petition will be filed and go to a vote in February, 2010. The Sept. 25 date was not correct either! The petition MUST now be in by December 4, 2008 at 5:00 p.m. to make the February vote. We will not "MISS" this one unless of course the date changes yet again or other "terms" come to light.
-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Sep 15, 2009, at 12:33 PM
I set out to dissolve this "organization" and I feel that I should see it through and will see it through. I made the statement I did because the WECRD Board would NEVER resign. . But since it will NEVER happen---we do not have to worry about it. So, never fear! The petition goes on because the "Big 3" will NEVER step aside and allow the YMCA to take charge and salvage this project. Never.
-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sat, Jul 18, 2009, at 7:21 PM
We started this petition and I promised I would turn those signatures in. That is my duty. I have talked to many of the people who signed and they want the board to resign or they will not give them more time. I must respect that position or I am no better than the WECRD Board with respect to honest communication and clear intentions. I do not believe for 1 second that the current board intends to see this project through with the Y over the next 12-18 months.
-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 10:36 AM
Two new people will run. It is a shame that at the last WECRD Board Meeting a board member had the nerve to say what a waste of money it is to have to hold an election. I think it is a much larger waste of money to leave that Board the way that it is. It has been time for change for a long time. Time to give Molly by golly a run for OUR money. Change in this arena (or should I say pool) is LONG past due.
So LMH, are you also going to throw your hat in?
Now THAT, is the pot calling the kettle black!
lovemthome,,,,,, you have done your share of running your mouth about the WECRD, so I take it your putting your name in to run for the position on the board. Also there should be 2 positions up for election seeing as Molly is the only person on the board that has ever been elected.
So my question to all your BB people is you write all the time about the WECRD and I notice they have an opening on the board that is up for elections this fall and closes at the end of the month per the MHNEWS. Is anyone new going to run or we keeping the same people and just run our mouths all the time on the BB???
This is just pretty weird to me that 3 out of the 4 lost and found classified ads in this weeks paper are for Chihuahuas. Hope they all make it home soon.
Missing Puppy Pongo! Chihuahua, brown and white. He has a white neck with a brown dot. Please call Alejandra at 208-591-0871. 51-52nc
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Reward for lost male light brownish/red Chihuahua, answers to Rahzah. Last seen on Canyon Creek/Mayfield Road by the old Stage Stop at the Norstebon's Ranch, August 20th. Contact 208-796-2135. 51-52nc
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"Copper" by name & color. 6yr sm (20lb) Terrier/Chihuahua mix. Recent surg L hip (limps). Missing p.m. 8/20/10 - E Jackson & 14th St. $100.00 Reward. hm 587-9258/cell 590-1105. 51-52nc
WECRD Budget Hearing TONIGHT (8/25/10) at 6:00 with the regular WECRD Board (bored) Meeting to follow at 7:00 P.M. at the WECRD office.
You can save a lot of time by typing your post in Word, then paste-ing it into the BB. I've done that for ever, since it is faster for me, proofreads as we go, and saves time...(oh already said that) Anyway, that is one way around the slowness.... Just sayin'......
Hi everyone, by the way. I hope it was a good summer for all...as it was for me.
Jessie
I have pretty much quit typing on BB as it has taken sometimes up to half an hour to type anything on this BB. Too bad such a good forum has some how gone bad as far as useage goes.
So far; I have typed for 2 minutes and haven't been able to see one word I have typed. Give it time,the words eventually show up so you can proofread it.
Ah ha. 7 minutes and my words have shown up to be able to proof read.. Now, I have to wait to proof again as I typed more words. OOPS
Total time has been 14 minutes for this post.
P.S. I too wish positive Thursday was back. I liked the little happy guy on the front page. He was special, LOL. Oh Well.
OOPS. Now total of 17 minutes to post.
@MrMister,
Thanks... that is the main reason I don't post very much - I don't want or need to be put down only because my opinions are not those of some regular participants of this message board.
Just a question for everyone... whatever happened to Positive Thursdays? I think that is what it was called anyway. Just curious...
@tiger87,,,
You are RIGHT on the mark, without a doubt--and it's not just the MHSD.
Yes, It takes so long that it's not usually even worth it to try to post. As I type now, only two words have showed up on the page.
Thanks Vic, forgot to say I have talked to the web master at the MHN and that is why I posted and if anyone is having a problem post it here, or e-mail the web master, or call her, she is watching the comments on this and would like to know if its a problem.
Eagle -- I've noticed it reacting very slow when you click the Post a comment link, and it seems to be taking longer as more posts go up. Moving between other pages on the MHN doesn't exhibit this type of latency. So it really doesn't seem like the website, just the page the BB posts are on.
Websites being what they are I'm sure there are more than a couple of ways around it. But like everything, it would take time and money to improve the performance.
Is anyone else having a problem logging into the site and making comments on the banter box, like taking forever to see your typing show up and forever to save the comments.
"As Dr. Phil would say, get real. Not all of us are a bunch of idiots who allow the tail to wag the dog."
@OpinionMissy
WOW!! I haven't been on for awhile, thanks for the welcome back!
jdcb,
I agree with your comments. Over 30% of schools nationwide have not met AYP, so this is hardly a problem found only in Mountain Home. NCLB is a law where, even though our schools are making progress toward the goals that are set by this law, the benchmark to meet is being raised every year or two. Even if the school misses that mark by .001% in just one of the 30 subcategories, it is considered a "failing school", with no credit given for gains made from year to year. The NCLB law is in need of some revisions if it is to be attainable for 100% of students in this country, which is what the spirit of the law intended.
Although I appreciate your comments, this forum is nothing but a losing battle when it comes to issues with the school district. There are a few people who post on here who have nothing good to say about the school district, and nothing you try to explain will convince them otherwise.
Thank you for your efforts...
tiger87
I'm sure it should have read no School DISTRICT has passed the size of Mtn. Home, or larger, not school since single schools have.
-- Posted by jdcb on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 5:14 PM
Your quote not anyone elses or the article in the paper, just where did you come up with not school sincel single schools have. You need to quit picking and choosing just what part of the article you want to tell us about. How about "Fif a district fails the AYP standards five years in a row, the State has the right to take over the district, replacing adminstrators, teachers, and curriculum as it sees fit" Idaho has never done that even tho MH has failed 7 years in a row. Quote from McMurtrey " This law was really written for inner-city schools where the graduation rate is sometimes only 17 percent McMurtrey noted. Its really not designed for rural schools like us" I never realized we were so rural these laws don't apply to this School District . I don't need to go on any further, jdcb your digging a hole and should quit the digging before you start throwing dirt back in on yourself. While you are picking and choosing how about you tell us all about the $684,170 the district is suppose to get and how it is going to be spend.
I'm sure it should have read no School DISTRICT has passed the size of Mtn. Home, or larger, not school since single schools have.
Parts taken from Mtn.Home News, Aug. 4, Page A3 are in quotes. CAPS added by me for emphasis.
"NO SCHOOL IN THE STATE THE SIZE of the Mountain Home School District OR LARGER HAS EVER PASSED the AYP standard. It's just that, for a district our size, it's VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE to do it.'
"As part of the program, schools are evaluated for up to FORTY ONE different demographic groups. IF A SCHOOL DOES NOT HAVE THIRTY-FOUR STUDENTS who qualify for a given demographic group, it IS NOT evaluated for that group. SMALL SCHOOLS OFTEN DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH STUDENTS TO MEET THE CRITERIA,WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR THEM TO PASS the AYP standard, SINCE THEY DON'T WIND UP BEING EVALUATED for all 41 demographics."
"Some students may qualify in multiple demographic groups. For example, an Hispanic student who doesn't speak English and has an IQ of 50 would qualify in three categories -- Hispanic, Low English Proficiency, and Special Education. 'Say one student like that fails the math test,' Mc-Murtrey said. 'You get dinged three times' in the standards evaluation."
"Failure to meet the standard in any ONE evaluated area means a school district receives a failing grade. It's a pass/fail system."
Idaho:
The bottom line is this. The State of Idaho has set "standards." Regardless of what you may think of those standards, they are the standards. Further, there are schools out there that manage to do the "impossible" and pass. The mere fact that some can pass, means that the standards are not out of reach, it can be done, if people are doing their jobs (parents, students, teachers, etc.). We can grasp at straws and say that it is money, demographics, etc. But the fact is still that some schools manage to pass.
If a child fails a math test is it because the standards were too high? Was the test unfair? A failing grade is a failing grade.
Why do kids in the ESL classes speak Spanish as opposed to English? Perhaps if English was the primary language in those classes, those kids would be better prepared right?
When the MHSD was attempting to pass the bond this last time, they said enrollment was on the rise. When we checked that data with the state, that was not true. Since, it has come out, in MHSD statements that it was not true (that enrollment was up). So, class sizes are smaller. The fact that the MHSD cannot make the grade is the problem of the MHSD, not the standards. If the standards were so unjust---no schools would make the grade. Own the problem. Be accountable. This fish stinks from the head down and nobody is at fault. What are we teaching our future leaders?
Many think the ACT and SAT are unfair. Funny how most kids on their way to college take the same test yet for some it is unfair. Same questions, same amount of time to take the test, same scale for which it is graded but it is unfair. Hmmmmmmm.
As Dr. Phil would say, get real. Not all of us are a bunch of idiots who allow the tail to wag the dog.
Oops...
"You fail" not "your fail".
School district students, when considered as a whole student populations, are testing proficient (check out the State Dept of Ed website, all the data is there) BUT there are over 40 subcategories that students are grouped into and evaluated. If students in even just ONE subcategory out of the more FORTY do not meet the proficiency mark then ENTIRE school does not make AYP. So basically it's like saying, "Hey, you got all "As" but you got a "D" in math so sorry, you flunk the whole year. Your fail. Too bad."
Good! Now the MHSD thieves...I mean Board can reduce the amount of money extorted from the public in their "poor us" levy debacle. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. As they laugh their way all the way to the bank. The more you give a thief, the more they want. Too bad so many people fell for the sob story.
But at least we still have sports! Kids will be able to throw a football of make a basket but may not be able to read or do long division or make change. All in the name of EDUCATION. Priceless.
Any bets on how much the levy will be reduced for year two. I have ZERO!!!
Yea and the MH School District is going to get $684,170 of the 51 million. Nice piece of change, sure am curious just how the district is going to use it and how it will effect the 2.8 million levy for this school year, any bets they will use both just like they always have and the taxpayers get to pay for both. Be so easy to pay teachers with the government money and then take the levy money and do as they please. All the articles I have read on it says the money is for teachers and NONE for ADMIN. Also none of the money is to be put in a rainy day fund as if they ever do here.
Idaho to receive $51 million for education:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/Idaho-recieves-...
Vic Vega; No I didn't change anything but I guess the MH News is too pro this School district to allow it to remain . A shame, as it was not directed towards any school in particular.
Mr - good copy and paste. This has been all over the web for a while. Did you change any words?
http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/ar...
How long is acceptable to the WRECD/CLDC/YMCA to wait for a building to be built?
Does anyone have the super secret building cost estimates on the three different buildings that were handed out twice and taken back twice?
Here is my 2 cents on the schools, it is not the teachers or school that are wrong, it is the no child left behind act that is wrong. The way I understand it teachers have to teach at the childs level not their grade for example in reading if a child tests at a 4th grade reading level but is in the 6th grade they have to pick books in their reading level, yet when they do the standardized testing they are looking for them to be at their grade level, the teachers hands are tied until they get rid of the no child left behind and schools get back to expecting a child to be at grade level and better.
Thanks jdcb for the link you posted, maybe you should have read them, they are for the fall of 2010 which just started and they haven't been tested on those standards yet. So I guess we all can look forward another failure coming up this school year, same as the past.
Hey, but we still have sports... can you imagine the anarchy in the streets right now if those were lost...
Yep jdcb I read the paper on Mcmurtrey's article in the paper, so what is your point, I didn't see anything that changed my opinion. The only thing that made any sense was the water was turned back on to green up the grass before school started, just no way the grass was burned up and then a few days of water made then all green again, doesn't work that way unless the water runs daily and for long periods and if that happened was no point in turning if off to start with.
If you would have read my comment instead of taking offensive against what I said you would see I said it takes the whole district, teachers, parents and especially the students to make the grade. I just don't see where everyone is pulling there load.
As OM stated my kids are grown and been out of school for a number of years. I am not a teacher and am not going to any of the schools to observe or help teachers or students, that is not my job, the school district has hired people to do those duties and all of them need to do it. Schools are for education not a day care center, so parents take note and start doing your part in the education system.
One other point I want to bring up is why the High School needs a Principle, and 2 assitances and then one assistance has to be shared between the Junior High and Hacker, it would appear to many people on the payroll that aren't needed in time of budget lows and just what do all those people do on a daily basis. It sure looks like to many at the top and not enough workers, which leads to budget problems.
Idaho ACT scores in the news today:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/08/18...
Let someone please "own" the situation with our schools. Some of us on here (like myself) have no children much less children in the school district. Eagle has adult children but has had children in the MHSD.
The bottom line is this. Kids are not passing the standardized tests and our schools do not make the grade regardless of how you feel about those "tests." The fact that some schools can pass, is a red flag to me and tells me that someone/something is lacking.
When the money was flowing, our schools still did not make the grade. Kids (some) read below level and some do not pass basic skills tests in math, etc. Who is at fault?
I can tell you this---it is NOT the taxpayer(s). It is the parents who do not work with their kids for whatever the reason. It is the teacher who has decided the kid just "does not get it." It is the EDUCATION SYSTEM and those who RUN IT.
I have worked in these schools. In the ESL classroom kids speak Spanish. They are not made to learn the English language or encouraged to do so. There are Spanish speaking teachers in those rooms and little English flows. This is why those kids cannot pass these tests and our schools fail. ESL classes should help these kids learn to communicate in ENGLISH. I have also worked in Special Ed at Hacker. I have nothing "bad" to say about the people in these classes. They work hard. The teachers and aides were always great and worked well with the kids.
Maybe if we did not pay the top folks so much there would be money for books and technology. Do McMurtrey and his wife really need to make right around $167,000 between the both of them. Our education system is like healthcare in this country. Throwing more money at it is not going to fix the problem. Time to trim the fat and get rid of the waste and focus on EDUCATION. What good are sports programs if kids cannot read at their age level and cannot pass a basic math test?
So,jdcb please spare this taxpayer the sob story about how unfair things are. For those of us out there working in places where 10 people did our jobs but it is now down to one due to cutbacks and a bad economy...that is not fair. Being put out of your home because you cannot afford the taxes is unfair. Being unemployed because illegals get the jobs is unfair. Your beef seems to be with the Idaho Department of Ed as opposed to those of us who probably pay your wages. Wow what it must be like to have a job where you have all holidays off, the summer off and 3-4 weeks off for holidays (Spring Break, Christmas, etc.). Yep, I feel bad for ya.
jdcb...If you don't mind me asking, are you a teacher? Sounds like you have a lot of first hand knowledge of our education system.
Here is the link to the standards. Have fun reading.
http://www.sde.idaho.gov/site/content_st...
Eagle-Eye, did you read Tim McMurtrey's response about why our district won't meet the standards and smaller districts do? If not, read it. It's on P. 3 of the Aug. 4 issue. Read the article very carefully.
Teachers would LOVE for parents and students to do their part. Many do, but a LOT don't. When will they be held accountable? Teachers don't mind being held accountable doing their jobs, but they can't do it all by themselves. All sides need to do their part which doesn't happen.
The standards are at the State Department as well as the district. You are more than welcome to get a copy, I'm sure. They may even be online.
How often have you been in a school since you yourself attended? Have you taught? Have you helped in one for any length of time to observe what goes on? Have you been in to help the teachers and the students?
jdcb,, Just more excuses why standards can't be met. I find it hard to believe smaller districts can meet the standards. I can't believe they have no kids with low IQ's, can't speak English or miss alot of school for whatever reason, if you miss so much you don't move on. The blame for ont speaking English goes to the parents, if they don't speak English guess what language the kids are going to speak when at home plus there will be no help from the parents to the kids. There needs to be more involvement by those that run the district, teachers, parents and most of all the students or they will never get an education. Quit worrying so much about the building, example the Junior High and all its fancy stuff that doesn't do a thing for education, money wasted. Some things need to go back in time, everything can't be done in the class room so that is where home work comes into play which the students need to be required to do and turn in to be graded. Last point is to the person that complained a while back that poor little Johnny or Mary was going to have to play in the dirt and dust due to the lawns not being watered but as I drove by a couple of schools this past Monday low and behold grass being watered in the heat of the afternoon which is just another waste and sure there were some brown spots but no worse than ;ast years. Until I see what the standards are in black and white and not a school district version either I am not buying these excuses.
Eagle_Eye, please learn what causes a school district to not meet the standards. It's actually an unfair way to "grade" districts.
There are many categories involved and by not meeting only ONE category places a district as failing. It is absurd.
ALL students are included in the testing that determines the results. And I mean ALL. Low IQ students, non-English speaking students, students that miss a lot of school for various reasons, and the list goes on.
Reality is, not EVERY student is going to meet the standards set by the state and feds. It's impossible. Yet the schools are held accountable as if it is possible. It's political and nothing more.
Is this what the MH School district has been thinking if they don't meet the standards the Feds will step in and help with more money. The District really needs to answer up why they can't meet the standards.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/08/16...
That will be at least 2 years another family will be safe from him..
the actual possible for each count is up to a $2000 fine, up to 10 years in prison and 3-5 years probation.
lets hope he gets more than you predict and no more families are harmed by him.
Still waiting for an answer from anyone from the WECRD/CLDC/YMCA on how long is acceptable to wait to build a building?
On a brighter, and actual recreational note, I see that someone is opening a place for kids in the stardust plaza. So that will make two privatly funded youth centers in a town that has been taxed for ten years, and spends half of those tax dollars to produce no recreation.
I suppose that this means all the surveys and market studies and interviews will have to be done over now. By the time the WRECD pull their heades out,(at least ten years), and are ready to build anything the dynamics of the town will have changed so drastically that whatever they build will be off base. But hey, it'll have a stupid pool and a puss vat. Or maybe it just means that the WECRD is an abortion that will never produce any recreation and that everyone but the pool Jihadists realize it.
The man responsible for killing 4 people on the interstate will get a public defender, probably an interpreter, cop a plea and be out in 2 years.
Hey, I'm not saying it is right or wrong. I'm just saying that's the way it is. I'm all for transparency in government as long as it doesn't put lives in danger (and this is not one of those cases). But it if it is going to happen (and that's a big IF), it's not going to be on the BB.
Vic,
You mention being anonymous. Why is that a qualifier for a question to be legitimate? There have been no public progress reports about the CLDC/YMCA process. I suppose I get your point though; they have my tax dollars and I need to go begging for information and answers from them when they are available. So they aren't accountable at all then? Whenever the WRECD/CLDC/YMCA feel like giving out information they will, when they don't feel like it they won't. It's a simple question. They have about 2.5 million saved for a building. The CLDC has three plans for a building, the least of which is 5 million. That leaves 2.5 million left to go. They get about 500 thousand a year and spend half of that. That means they save about 250 thousand a year. So thats another ten years to build the smallest building with no pool. The other buildings are 7 and 9 million. So the 7 million dollar small pool version would take another 18 years to gather the money for and the big pool 9 million plan building would take another 26 years. So how long is acceptable to wait for a building?
They are already keeping those numbers secret and you expect me to go to a public forum when its convenient for them and expect truthful answers? They are exactly like Bush on immigration and Obama on health care. They KNOW whats right and don't owe anyone an explanation. Just keep pushing forward. Sorry but I don't think ten years is acceptable to wait.
'Dog -- I agree with Eagle. No one associated with those groups will address your questions in this forum. You've seen how discussions degenerate here. They don't want to be caught up in anything like that.
My guess is they would prefer to limit disseminating information through formal channels like news releases, public meetings, and official homepages if for no other reason than to publish a statement approved by their organization without getting into a back-and-forth with anonymous posters on a bulletin board.
If you want anything other than that, your best bet would be in person during the times they are available to the public.
Day 5 of silence and secrecy in government. How long is acceptable to wait for a facility to be built?
Simple question. Maybe I should look on the WRECD website that they use to try and convince us that they use our tax dollars for good and not evil. Maybe I shouldn't hold my breath.
The WRECD/CLDC/YMCA seem to like opaque politics. But the WRECD district did hire the YMCA and it very well may have hired them with orders to make the outcome of the CLDC justify pools. That would make the members of the CLDC, dupes, fools, nincompoops, for putting their weight behind it. One of you hard chargers ought to ask for all the emails between the WRECD and the Y and the CLDC.
One would think that a recreation district that was created to provide recreation would at some point provide some recreation. But the directors are smart. They have read the Rec District regulations and they know that there is no time limit. We may not have recreation for another 100 years. They may just keep increasing staff and forget about recreation.
Perhaps, eventually, someone will open a safe place for kids to go and socialize and have fun as an alternative to roaming the streets and pillaging. Save the children, build a pool in 20 years.
Idaho nuclear company drops Elmore application, adds second Payette site
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/08/10...
So this is the fourth day that I am requesting an answer to how long is acceptable to wait to build a building.
Eagle,
No I don't understand why they wouldn't answer a simple question in a public forum. How long are they willing to wait to build a building and provide recreation with tax dollars? This is the perfect place for them to communicate. They can write their words to mean exactly what they want them to mean. They could also answer any follow on questions.
When the WRECD/CLDC/YMCA talk about saving the hordes of pillaging crackhead children that are roaming the streets, do they only mean the hordes of pillaging crackhead children that are roaming the streets ten or twenty years from now? Where is their concern for the hordes of pillaging crackhead children that are currently roaming the streets? Where is their concern for the hordes of pillaging crackhead children roaming the streets for the past ten years? It's intellectually dishonest to get all teary eyed when talking about your dream of saving the children, and then to completely ignore them.
Where is the transparency and truth seeking that was suppose to come from the CLDC? They have generated 3 different plans that have numbers attached to each and they keep them secret. I know that there are a couple good people on the CLDC but they need to start speaking out against this secrecy and the steering towards pools. It's no wonder that there's nobody left on the CLDC. Who in their right mind would want to be associated with a smokescreen for the idiocy that is the WRECD?
Atomic Dog; You already know by now that the WECRD, YMCA, or the CLDC is not going to answers any of your questions. The "Y" has been involved for well over a year. The CLDC has been at it over a year and still nothing has changed except the WECRD has collected more tax payers dollars and spend the way they want to and the heck with the public. This whole deal is nothing but to have indoor pools for some and the rest of the public just is a loser that pays for it. Top it off the whole mess and the WECRD meetings are at 11:00 am so most of the working class can't attend and that is done for a reson so the public doesn't have much say about their tax dollars.
It would be funny if so much tax money was not involved.
All the time and all the money spent to find out what the community wants? Wants in ten or twenty years? The CLDC has taken on the same dreamy mindset of the WRECD, build a building. When the Y came to town they told us over and over how there might not even be a building. There is no plan being looked at by the WRECD/CLDC that doesn't have a building. There is no plan being looked at by the WRECD/CLDC that goes in phases. There is no plan being looked at by the WRECD/CLDC that can be built before 2020.
Is it possible, is there an outside chance, that all the transparency, (the CLDC has twice generated numbers on different building and maintaining costs for three different buildings but make everyone turn the sheets back into them), all the, "there might not even be a building", (they have never discussed an option without a building), all the fairness, (The WRECD made sure that they hand picked pool Jihadists for the CLDC and that Jana has kept it focused on pools).... that this whole, over a year CLDC/YMCA thang is just a huge waste of time?
The complaint has always been that they spend way too much money and provide no recreation. It looks like they will continue on this same path for at least another ten years.
Could this be the reason that at the last CLDC meeting they couldn't even fill up one table with people? Less than a dozen people were there and three of those were YMCA and two were the co-chairs. That makes for six volunteers left and dwindling from a group that use to number in the forty's. Can you say disillusioned?
Third day in a row that I'm waiting for WRECD/CLDC/YMCA to answer whats up with not building for another ten years.
I would like to know who is responsible for the elimination of the bus route to the Peregrine neighborhood. Then I would like to invite that person to tell me they would let their own child walk to West Elementary. Let me just say there are no sidewalks either way for about 7-10 blocks. There are no street lights. There are loose dogs that charge at the kids. It is 1.4 miles to West walking the Airbase road route. It is 1.7 miles walking 5th street route. My child is only 6. What about the kids in kindergarten? Are you serious? What happened to the school levy money? What is that being used for? All sports? Anyone else a little upset about this? There has to be something that can be done.
I take it that any amount of time is acceptable as long as there is a pool?
I'm just wondering why neither the CLDC nor the WRECD have a response to it taking another ten years to raise the money for a building with a pool. All the surveys and feasibility studies don't mean much if we're looking at another ten years before something is even built.
Ooooh! FactMissy with her advanced degree in Office Supply Management done took that PhD to skool! Bravo. (clap.)
Well stated AD.
The very same "PhD" a.k.a. Sandy Pitts wrote a LTE on October 29, 2008. Here is the link:
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/scripts/.... Just in case the link does not work, the article can be found by searching "WECRD" and the article is entitled "WECRD supporter invites Bermensolo to swim in pool."
Ms. Pitts probably should have put that education of hers to better use such as researching an issue before she wrote such a "skewed" and fact-lacking LTE.
Indeed Ms. Pitts a survey was conducted! Anyone could have done it. There were several locations around town and online where the survey COULD have been done. If you wanted to respond, you could. If you did not want to respond, you did not have to. I believe that the survey was provided in a water bill, if you live in the city. If YOU chose not to participate, that was your choice. It was all over the paper that it was going on and there were also two (2) road signs in town (one near Wells Fargo Bank and another near RR Park) that said this was going on. There was also a sign posted at the famed "FUTURE HOME" of the WECRD recreation facility across from MHJH. Being as "educated" as you are--I am shocked that you missed this.
Ms. Pitts, if you would bother to attend a meeting, you would know the factual details for which you speak as opposed to the details the WECRD Board has fed you (shame on you for not checking your facts/sources).
Now Ms. Pitts. How "random" would a survey really be if it only targeted people only from a certain age group? To obtain the best information--the demographics need to vary. Funny how you can dog the CLDC (who have also ALL donated their time to fix the mess created by Molly and Company over the better part of the last 10 years) and DARE to question what is being done after TENS OF THOUSANDS of dollars have been spent by the WECRD on surveys that were FAR from "random" (such as the Shaw Snow Report). Hey, that reminds me. I find it pretty interesting that you would DARE to question the integrity of the CLDC after you were one of the people who had an advance copy of the GreenPlay Report that Molly stated was not complete----while you had a copy for several weeks prior. So, let us talk about integrity Ms. Pitts.
How "random" would a survey be and how "valid" would those results be if all of the people sampled were all over 55? Seems as if your "facts" and version of the truth is a bit "skewed" Ms. Pitts. Thank goodness you did not make it onto the MHSD Board. You have no clue. Perhaps call one of the Chairs for the CLDC or the YMCA (Billie B.) and get your facts together. People like you are what "skew" this community and have us where we are today.
Pretty funny letter you wrote. Clearly the WECRD Board helped you with those "facts." Live and learn Ms. Pitts. Live and learn.
I am not going to reply to every entry asking where a comment goes.
I have posted this many many times. No cuss - No delete. Does not matter how you try to abbreviate or use spaces and symbols or whatever. Plain and simple rule. If you are deleted, fix it and re-post. Just follow the rules. Have a good weekend.
PH with a small "d" I guess. http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/16...
The CLDC is skewed? The only reason that the CLDC even exists is because of the pool, "supporters", or more correctly, pool Jihadists, being so skewed towards a unfundable, unsupportable, unsustainable pool. Mountain Home cannot support a pool.
The right honorable doctor was worried about 16 years? How long will it take to collect the money to build a facility with a pool? They only have 2 million dollars right now. At one point the pool Jihadists that run the recreation district said that it was going to take 12 million to build what they wanted. Even your arch enemies the CLDC infidels say that it will take 7 million to have a small pool. The Imams of the WRECD board spend half of the 450 thousand tax dollars to run a part time office and provide no recreation so that leaves about 220 thousand a year to put toward building the pool. One would hope that even a PHd could see a bit of a gap there. Maybe we can make up the gap with ....{{{{{{Imaginaaaaaation}}}}}}.... or ....[[[[[[[[[Dreams]]]]]]]]]].... or maybe like the other Jihadists, our pool Jihadists just want it to be their way and to dictate to everyone how things are going to be and any means justify the end. Lets just stone to death anyone that isn't of the pool religion. If your child is going to marry someone that is not of the pool religion then it should be lawful to honor kill them. Stupid reality infidels.
The IED/LTE probably did have its intended effect. I'm sure that the other pool Jihadists are wringing their hands, stroking their scraggly little Taliban beards, rocking back and forth in prayer to the pool god and looking forward to spending eternity with 70 Mountain Homeians that they have complete and total control over.
How about in another 20 or 30 years when you pool Jihadists get enough money to build this pool Jihadists baptismal with adjoining healing holy waters wound pool, that you put a big golden dome on top of it? Then five times a day we can all face west in homage to the slipping over the horizon of our tax dollars and the WRECD board members can belt out a prayer over the loud speaker for us.
Bearhunter, I am so with you. There should be a law at the border, that if they don't halt when asked, then shoot. They are entering illegally and are criminals at that point. I believe if any one is in this country illegally, they should be deported and pronto. They are the thieves. They steal from a system that you and I pay for daily. There should not be an anchor baby law. Lastly, this is one of the reasons I am ging to change my voting practices this coming election. I am sick and tired of legislators with no kahunas who don't care about what we want, but only what will get them possibly elected again.
In reality, they vote themselves pay raises, live off of the tax payer and don't like to follow the same rules and standards as the people they work for. WOW. What an analogy. Think about that one for a few minutes. Just burns me all the way around.
Why should we as a country allow illegals, just because a congreesman, woman, or president says we have to. Our nation really needs to support Arizona and their type of law. We need to take our country back from the thieves and idiots.
Ever hear of no shirt, no shoes, no service? How about this: No SS number, No Visa, No green card, then get the heck out. We need to bar the doors. Take things and turn this country back around. I am sick of politically correct.
Danecoat - And posting on here that one is home isn't personal???? I would be safe in saying that the comment was meant that she was free? Answer that, would you? I feel that she has put herself out there, thumbing her nose at everyone with her actions and comments.
The fact is - her 5 year old son shot another human being; someone else had to go to jail for her lack of responsibility; she got off scott-free and is flaunting it to this whole reading public. That isn't personal - that is public and she brought it on. What a stupid comment to make. Of course, people are going to attack and make comments.
"I am home"??? WTH does THAT mean? I will take bets from anyone that this will not be the last we hear about "Mrs. Molly".
Maybe they are being deleted because of the personal attacks on here of other people. Its very sad that people have to do that.No one has a right to judge other.
Mrs. Molly - your post was insensitive, despicable and a slap in the face to the family who will never be the same because of you. Why would you post such an ignorant comment? Do you think that all of the readers give a crap? No, what they care about more is that you are free and unpunished. Why don't you shut your mouth, grow up and start taking responsibility for raising a well-behaved intelligent child. And maybe staying out of the bars is a good place to start
Why are people's posts being deleted?
Paul Revere: I suspect your question "Why is the success of education measured by how much money is spent on it" was a rhetorical question. But I'll give my thoughts on it anyway.
I think too many people believe that our government exists only to help us instead of existing only to help us help ourselves.
I am home
Why is the success of education measured by how much money is spent on it ? Example--the recent tax hike.
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Don't hate the dog, hate the STUPID --- OWNERS, AS THEY ARE THE PROBLEM.
CALL THE POLICE, SIGN A COMPLAINT AND IT WILL COST THE OWNERS MONEY.That gets their attention.
I hate to listen to barking dogs also, but I have never seen a dog in court paying a fine, but have seen several neighbors paying fines.
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Call the police you never know what the circumstances are over at your neighbors house.... Poor dog I wonder if he has any food or water
Anyone know if the police or animal control will remove an animal off someone's property if they aren't home? One of my neighbors has apparently left town for a few days and left their dog in the backyard, I think they might have a doggy door so he can go inside but he doesn't stay in there long. He has been howling and barking since at least Sunday afternoon, last night he was going until almost midnight. When we go out to do yard work or kids go out to play it gets worse. I'm an animal lover, have some of my own, but I'm really begining to hate that dog!
A staff sergeant assigned to the 366th Fighter Wing at Mountain Home Air Force Base has died.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/07/26...
One way for Idaho to make national news over a dog attack.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100724/ap_o...
Hey Midea Maybe the lady over at Wells Fargo helped Mava embezzle the money lol ! Just Kiddin people !
I think there were so many new news stories that Mava's story got rotated out.
But, I do wonder about this sentence in the article: "A separate hearing to determine how much of the $270,000 she reportedly stole over a 10-year period is currently scheduled for Nov. 3."
It would seem to me that she may not have stolen the whole $270,000. So if she didn't steal the whole $270,000, then how many others are involved and havent been reported on? (OR) If no one else stole the balance of what she didn't steal, then where would the balance of any money be?
I thought there was a story missing.....glad you remembered which one it was!
What happened to the story of Mava's sentencing?
I know not everyone reads the Mountain Home site but this may explain to alot of folks and call them if you are having a problem.
SEDIMENT PROBLEMS IN THE CITY'S WATER SYSTEM
The City recently placed a new Well in operation. The Well is still producing some sediment as the aquifer is being developed and as it pumps at different production rates. In addition, the new Well is supplying water from a new location in our distribution system which has changed the flow patterns and is also stirring up sediment. We have received several calls from customers who have had sediment collect in toilets, bath tubs and other facilities. When calls are received, we send crews out to flush fire hydrants in the areas to try and remove as much sediment as possible. We would appreciate it if anyone experiencing a problem with sediment to their water supply to contact Public Works at 587-2108. We will gather information from you which will help us better understand the extent of the sediment problem, and also if flushing hydrants and other measures are helping. We believe this is a temporary problem and as the new flow patterns are established in the system and the Well continues to develop, the situation will steadily improve. We will be checking back periodically with those who contact us so we can track progress
I am very glad to hear that everyone involved in the fireworks accident is going to be alright. Im curious about next years show. The city should have insurance to cover the loss of the fire works. So next year we should not have to pay for them again, or we better see $60,000.00 worth.
Maybe not as interesting as a drug bust but worth reading.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/07/16...
Camas County Fair (from Your Stories)
I saw this on the Your Stories tab, thought it might be a great family event
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/16...
Yea right, keep blaming all the problems on Bush forget you been there over a year and a half and have done nothing to fix anything but spend more and more.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100708/ap_o...
Another accident near Glenns Ferry
http://www.ktvb.com/news/TRAFFIC-ALERT-I...
Hey Mountain Home, "the Flag" should be flying at full staff today because it is a Flag Holiday.
The Flag was at 1/2 staff to mourn the death of Senator KKK so you can lower it again tomorrow.
Prayers to those injured...
According to KTVB, our fireworks tomorrow night have been canceled.
http://www.ktvb.com/home/Fireworks-displ...
Keep our guys who were setting up fireworks for tomorrow in your prayers -- some have been injured.
Mrs. Molly, I think the only people you need to explain and assure are the 16 year old that could have been killed and his entire family. They are the ones that have suffered here.
They have bills (that the community has come together to help pay), they have suffered far beyond what you will, emotional. I do not personally know the family and I don't know you but I feel so sorry for what this family has had to go through. I did not hear one moment of remorse from you for this family in your comment. That is a crying shame.
I've got a really off the wall idea--How about, anyone who doesn't think this newspaper is doing a good job, quits reading it. I know, I know, it sounds outrageous, but it's the only thing I can think of that might pacify those who continually gripe about everything the paper writes that they disagree with including, but not limited to,
timelines, "biased" opinions, and well, just overall general discontent.
Just a thought...
No, BEARHUNTER, I will not be on public assistance, medical, or food stamps, nor will I be "getting rewarded" in any way, shape, or form. And, no we did not get married to avoid testifying. We got married because we actually love each other; find it hard to believe that still happens, then I feel sorry for you. As far as "never being held accountable" for my action, where did you come up with that one? I have always been held accountable, punished for my poor decisions. And always getting dismissed, "How many" am I going to get? Well, I guess this once is enough to learn my lesson because it will never happen again. I think you need to know all of your facts before you go stating things and clearly you do not.