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Homedog, if Chloe is a Mt Home resident (city) then she doesn't have to pay $50 for the privilege of checking items out from the Library. I pay a damn lot of taxes as a city resident in order to do that. So she either, lives in the city and does the same or lives in the county and therefor does not pay city taxes to use city services. Go to the Library Website and read about what it takes to get a library card. Also I would think that she can still use some of the services since I don't have to show my card to walk in and sit down and read a damn book!!! You can't have it both ways. But then again some folks think if they complain loud enough, often enough someone will take pity on them just to shut them up. Yeah like a child throwing a tantrum in the Wal-Mart. (no official endorsement of Wal-Mart intended or implied.) Time to get on making a living and paying my taxes.

-- Posted by ??ReallyPeople on Wed, Mar 29, 2017, at 10:23 AM

While we've all been worrying about Chloe's grammar, the people she voted for have been disrespecting their constituents. How? By waiting until the last minute, working behind doors closed to the public and running the state budget we are supposed to use for Chloe's education into the ground. Repealing the sales tax on food will have a $167 million impact on our general fund. $300 million transportation bills, $15 million coming from the general fund. Income tax cuts attached at the last minute to big tax cut for business. And while many of us will love these cuts, none of them have been cooked up with any consideration given to the impact on the public services we take for granted every day. We should all be ashamed of the way these bills have been passed. That's right. During the final hours of the session, our legislators, led by the some of Star's finest, have been hijacking and cooking up new bills like meth addicts. Committee meetings called with no public notice or streamed online. Caucus meetings closed to the public. Constant periods of being "at ease" during public floor sessions so they can go behind closed doors and "negotiate."

Chloe and her embarrassing grammar? Chloe will survive. She's Teflon.

Stan Franks? He's a good man. He'll survive too. Hey, maybe Stan will run for mayor against Sykes someday. Wouldn't that be interesting? Maybe then Mtn. Home residents like Chloe -who could really use some help with her literacy skills - won't have to pay $50 for a library card. (The good mayor may want to think about that while driving a city-provided car to his business.)

As for our democracy? Now that's something we should all worry about. Hopefully Governor Otter has been paying attention to all of this and will veto some of these bills. Come on Mountain Home, start holding our elected officials accountable for their actions.

-- Posted by homedog on Wed, Mar 29, 2017, at 8:30 AM

I just want to make it known to Longtimelistner That I am NOT ChloeWilson. You stated on here it was or could be the "women of the Year" Sorry to bust you bubble but I am NOT her. I don't attend a women luncheon on Thrus. If I go to a luncheon it would be Chambers. Plus I have no problems listing my name on here. She has posted a lot on here about Stan and I don't know where she gets her information about, but he was staying till Sept 2017 but he was more or less ran out early, but that is ok, Stan life is a lot better in retirement is stead of working for the Mayor.. Life is so much better for him now. Most and I say most of the stuff she is telling you is correct about the Mayor. She must have an inside link to know a lot as she been writing stuff even I didn't know.. way to go CholeWilson who every you are..Hope to meet this lady someday in person, if you every see me in person please stop and talk to me you might like to hear what I have to tell you..

-- Posted by Brenda Franks on Mon, Mar 27, 2017, at 8:38 PM

For the love of God and all that is holy....how you can continue to banter on and disparage nearly everyone in this community and school system when you clearly can't (or won't) spell correctly or use correct grammar. I doubt your raves will have much affect or effect until you communicate in more adult, educated manner. I know this has been pointed out before yet you continue to talk in lingo or textspeak or whatever language you use. It really does not impress people and actually hurts most of the points you are trying to make. Just my $.02 worth.

-- Posted by ??ReallyPeople on Mon, Mar 27, 2017, at 9:31 AM

This weeks Thursday lunchon talk was heated for very sure. Taxes and the school district arrived early and often. I thought President TRUMP idea of letting the state and city peeps pay for education was the best idea. Maybs there are some preaching around here about paying taxes for are children to get a old fashioned education is too expensive. Those same preachers who want me to run as a officer are going nucler about the local school education taxes. And those same preachers wont go to a school president meeting and refuse to even get involved in education. But preach and preach and preach about how bad the schools are runned. The other bombing issue was the Mayor SYKES kickin Stan FRANK down the road early and Moho peeps pulling their childs from city sports leagues because of that kickin.

This city and county is such a mess there may not be anyone good enough to fix the damage to are street creds. Under funded schools and treating the best of the best city employs like a old tin can while all the times having the county council and SHIFTY 50"s killing new bizinesses. We need true PATRIOTS like Kim K to get involved in are area. She can do the kickin of are local liberal politicians like no one I saw. Drain the swamps.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Fri, Mar 24, 2017, at 10:39 PM

Nailed it, MrMister.

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Sun, Mar 19, 2017, at 8:06 PM

Here's MY attempt at cracking the code:

"Disgruntled individual that didn't get their way."

Umm, thank you, g'nite.

-- Posted by MrMister on Wed, Mar 15, 2017, at 8:24 PM

Here's my attempt at cracking the code: |

'are' = our

'swampy government' = City of Mountain Home officials

'insane sample answer' = in your face

'nuclear bomb issues' = hot local topics

'light the fuzes' = get everyone worked up

'government over reachers' = City officials that like to spend money

'double-do car' = self explanatory

'off the books job' = Farm Bureau Job (even #45 has kept his hands in 'off the books job')

'The CITY and COUNTY officers have been bad for landowners' = City and County against the Cat Creek Energy, LLC Project.

'and news business peeps trying to crack the shifty 50's' = Whatever; not even going there because this is like the Mountain Home Unicorn.

'Even bunni agree with that' = WHO is Bunni?

'How can we import more tax money when those two officers are dissing new business peeps from moving here' = Are you even hearing what you're saying? Businesses don't want to come here because of population size and lack of water resources. Pulllleeeeze.

'Hope that answers a burning question some in this banter community rudely asked.' = Why is everyone else rude to you when what you say is disrespectful and more rude?

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Mon, Mar 13, 2017, at 10:24 PM

Peeps ask me all the time why bother preaching about are swampy government officers. The insane sample answer is because me and my large group of friends care. We care so we preach.

The nuclear bomb issues that lights the fuzes are government over reachers like Mayor SYKES and the City and COUNTY Councilmans. New tax money paid for double-do car so SYKES can work the Mayor job and his other off the books job. The CITY and COUNTY officers have been bad for land owners and news business peeps trying to crack the shifty 50"s. Everybody knows a commissioner and plus SYKES belong to that group. Even bunni agree with that. How can we import more tax money when those two officers are dissing new business peeps from moving here. Hope that answers a burning question some in this banter comunty rudely asked.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Mon, Mar 13, 2017, at 9:07 PM

Oh, my..........The further this goes the worse it gets. Sure would be nice to know what incident has sparked all this comedy.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sat, Mar 11, 2017, at 7:59 AM

The big news at this weekes lunchon is city business. Mayor SYKES and his delicate COUNCILORS are looking to open a CITY bar if they can get a license. We cannot say why they would talk about getting a bar when one of their own 50"s named Bryant already owns a place. Maybs there CITY police force and saloon bouncer deal makes opening a bar more better for profits.

We all ready know the CITY and Mayor SYKES don't like new peeps to operate businesses in HIS city so opening a bar will make those 50"s more powerfull. When will the shifty 50"s be disbanded or elected out as officers. Drain that swamp this year.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Fri, Mar 10, 2017, at 9:40 PM

ChloeWilson, I see you are a pretty passionate person. Kudos, but at least spell our Mayors name right. Mayor SYKES :)

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Tue, Mar 7, 2017, at 9:17 AM

Farsela Sottos / Thanks for posting back to me even tho your doing it in a rudely manner. Many peeps in Moho have a big problem with Mayor Sikes iffing you ask around some. I do and so do my band of TRUE conservatives from Boise to Glenn Ferry and farther out. We have problem with the Elmore OFFICERS to. So don't think we are just looking for the drain plog in the Moho swamp.

After are womens lunchon yesterday, a bunch of us younger hens picked over your armchair MAYOR questions. I sit in the shadows and preach about methods Moho and Elmore can be made better with more less taxes and better OFFICERS. Currently I am not running for an officers seat in the city or ELMORE councils but I may. After talking with the ladies, I was asked to remain in the shawdows so me and my family wouldn't be attacked like Connie Clark was and had to quit her officers seat.

Linda told us hens there was an old guy in Moho who was doing the same armchair MAYOR preaching but his beefalo was with school watering grasses and school calandar vacation days. Terry said that old guy has never, ever been seen to any SCHOOL council meetings. He must have moved on or gone underground. Maybs that old guy should have come out in the sunny skies and run for school president or a officers seats.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Fri, Mar 3, 2017, at 9:58 PM

Ha! Great username fs :)

You're right; CW has a huge...uh...'thing' against the mayor. It makes me think that CW could even be the woman of the year but in my opinion, I don't think she's clever enough to be that confusing on purpose.

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Thu, Mar 2, 2017, at 2:57 PM


About the only reason I read your posts is to exercise my mind since I have to determine exactly what you are trying to say. If I understand it right, you have a major issue with the Mayor and some of the choices he has made. I want to ask, are you going to run for the office next time or just sit in the shadows, playing armchair mayor and keep attacking town officials? Just seems to me, by your rambling posts, that you have all the answers so why not lead this town to be even greater?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Mar 2, 2017, at 4:42 AM

Sounding more and more and more an even more wrong no matters what peeps say that Stan Frank was forced into a old grey hairs got to go retirement party. 1 story is he was leaving in the summer. 2 story is he mights leave a little early. Last story is Stan Frank the parks and recreatiion assistent is no longer working for the SIKES CITY and its only March. What is wrong with our COUNCILORS letting this happen. Mayor SIKES is new but his COUNSILOR must now know STAN is better for the CITY. The peeps of ELMORE got to do the right things and DRAIN our SWAMPS for us and TRUMP.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Wed, Mar 1, 2017, at 9:16 PM

Looked mighty suspicious of Mayor SIKES to be driving his tax payor given white Chevy sedan to a certain insurance store on Sunset this week. We get to PAY for his ride and his gas and his government pay check while he works at his other full time job. The MAYOR must be busy with all the flood payments going out to his poor customers while his town float in his very owned SWAMP water.

I'm not great at grammer or spelling but my father is a teacher and is very good. Said there was things wrong with the banter from the 3 who chose to citisize my written style. If U 3 got to know me and my FAMILY I wonder if we'd be friends. I'd like to think so but stop being rude.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Fri, Feb 24, 2017, at 9:55 PM

Possibly taught by Betsy Devos

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Feb 20, 2017, at 11:52 AM

I don't know about spell check but........grammar school was, all one had to do is pay attention.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Mon, Feb 20, 2017, at 10:05 AM

Is spellcheck free?

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Mon, Feb 20, 2017, at 12:23 AM

Did some one do a happy jig? The peeps of Moho should B jumping for joy as more road blocks the city and county commissioners build are now flattend into the ground. The Catcreek Summit energy plan is 100% ago. Proerty rights are now ares and taxes will be more affortable as soon as the Faulkners start hiring and constructing on Little Camas. Write to your officers and tell them they'd do a great job making sure the projects get started as soon as possible.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Sat, Feb 18, 2017, at 11:15 AM

Please tell me this post isn't for real! It has become a comedy for sure!!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Feb 15, 2017, at 8:02 AM

Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews: after the monthly breakfast meeting, are group discussed my line of my postings here. We agreed that I went out of line a few times and I apologise. I also took you advise and tried to go to a CITY COUNCIL meeting last evening. Lights were on but noone was home as the old saying does. The CITY HALL door was locked but there were vehicles parked around the hall. Not saying Mayor Sikes and his COUNSILORS were hiding from me but maybe they didn't really want to hear the REAL TRUTH?

We also come to the concusion my ideas and concerns are important to the CITIZENS of Idaho and they should have more eyes and ears and will take more of my posts to the bigger Boise banter boxes. With your reporter explaining MHNwes is ONLY in it to make money and a newbee yellow journalists like me may be giving fake news and alturnative truth for FREE I will do better so others wont think of me as yellow. Fair is fair and you did say in Facebook CITIZENS should use this website to post POLITICAL journalism. Mayb's your issue with my posting has a deeper resentment? I can't say. And as bunni says MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN Moho while the Congresslady Blankma FREEDOM INDEX is below 40 meaning sitting deeply in the swamp.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Tue, Feb 14, 2017, at 7:13 AM
Response by Brenda:
City Hall doors are generally locked after business hours and the meetings take place in the Council Chambers which is a different door which was not locked and the meeting took place with outside attendance.

Your interpretation of my Editors editorial is yours.

Thank you for your input and I wish you well in your move to Boise.

Is this BLUNDER CITY or MoHo and maybe theres no difference between the 2. Rumors of a big city council BLUNDER at the last meet. Sikes got rid of the only thoughtful and educated councilman and put his own man in there. From what I heard the new guy is egactly who moho doesn't need making rules for us as he is a big taxer BIG. The next moho blundering news is Stan Franks is gone as the Parks & Rec leader because the Hipster Sikes. Sikes and the council are standing chin deep in a swamp of their own blunders. Drain and dry starting today.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Mon, Feb 6, 2017, at 10:21 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews:
I am not going to ask again to stop the name calling as I like to think we are all adults here. We don't have to agree but keep the childish comments on the playground.

Also may I suggest rather than relying on rumors you might attend a meeting or go directly to the source of your inquisitive mind inquiries and ask and/or better yet get the facts for yourself. Just a thought. Have a great evening.

Stan was not fired.....

June 1 2017 is the day he retires with full benefits and pension. He is not retiring early. How do I know this, I talked to his wife Brenda.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Jan 27, 2017, at 10:31 AM

There really needs to be a ~sarcasm~ font!...Schroeder's bar...*snort*

No. Stan Franks is not being ousted by Mayor Sykes...Stan Franks chose to retire 3 1/2 years early.

...Schroeder's bar...hahaha ;)

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Mon, Jan 23, 2017, at 11:14 PM

The newest Mayor Sikes blunder is trying to put the long time Parks & Rec leader out to pasture a few months before Stan Franks is ready to retire. Its all to just get rid of the old people working for the city. I have known the man for at least 17 years and to have the MAYOR of Moho dissing one of the greatest assetts in Elmore County is obsceen. The city council isn't helping and is fully behind the blunder? Swamp draining the city is the only solution.

Joe smoe; try to keep up. Schreoders bar is owned by Mark Bryent. Your brain freeze might be at a critical stage.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Mon, Jan 23, 2017, at 10:16 PM

You hear this at Schreoder's bar?

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Mon, Jan 23, 2017, at 12:42 AM

More good rumors heard around moho. The county COMMISSIONERS has approved Faulkners energy and water plan on Little Camas. The zoning department couldn't handle the request and turned down the 1.5 BILLION $$$$$$ plant. The COMMISSIONERS had to step in knowing the peeps in Pine and all the AG businesses want and need the plant to bring in some real money instead of relaying on are property tax dollars. Should never have been disapproved and finally after many month's Corbus and his posse were shamed into approving a real business project in Elmoore. Can the county keep its promise?

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Sun, Jan 22, 2017, at 9:43 PM

Another snow storm in the forecast! Wheeeee! Here we go again!

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Mon, Jan 16, 2017, at 8:43 PM

Aren't churches in moho bound to shovel there sidewalks? I saw a number of churches that had snowbound sidewalks but there parking lots were clean of most snow and ice. If you dont pay local, county, state or US tax the very smallest thing a church can do for are community is shovel the snow. The city doesn't plow most road except for Mayor Sykes fav streets and homes of worship dont pull there share of the work. That leaves the landowners the only part of the population expected to pay for snow plows and to shovel the walkways. County and city councilmen need to hold TAX EXEMPT churches accountable to more than God and their parishioners. The swamps will get drained next election. City/county/state officers will be gone.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Sat, Jan 14, 2017, at 10:13 AM

hahaha...holy cow, that's word coleslaw! Someone graduated from the Sarah Palin School of Non-Speech, with honors!

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Tue, Jan 3, 2017, at 9:53 AM

justthefactsplease; what did I do to diss you......Try being nice for once plus stop ranting on me. I will have to let on I LOL'd when I saw you have assumed commenter name to. Mayb's your trying to escape accountability and noone should offer you any credibility? Yes, I think you have lost some cred with me. Everyone knows who bunni so stop being dense. She >is a landowner...hmmmmm...Coincidence?

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Mon, Jan 2, 2017, at 9:29 PM

The assumed name lets "Chloe" escape accountability for "her" posts that show exactly how much credibility "she" deserves. And who's the "Bunni" you were talking about below, "Chloe?"

-- Posted by justthefactsplease on Sun, Jan 1, 2017, at 7:21 PM

CW, your pattern of speech is more riddles and word salad. No one is infringing on your rights to speak freely. People were curious who you may be and I saw the similarity in the letter to the editor and the comment on the Political banter box. If I was right or wrong then so be it. Carry on with your passions. No one wants to shut you down.

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Sun, Jan 1, 2017, at 4:19 PM

I was told the people of MoHo whom disagree with my free speech would do everything in there power to out me. I told them it's the message and not the messenger whats important. Mayb's I was wrong. Yes I was wrong. People are looking and asking who CW is. Shame on those who seek to INFRINGE and to shut freedoms down. What happened to Idaho. Drain the swamps and evict those who wish to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Sun, Jan 1, 2017, at 4:01 PM

CW first appeared on the banter box after that letter to the editor. The comment I'm referring to appeared in December: (read the part between the little arrows...)

"Let me be clear in my preaching with no more name calling. The people of this area talk a good talk but how they are walking that walk is shameful. Hows that, you riddle me? The officers running for seats in our Elmore area government look us in the eye and say the 2d ammendment is important but what happened? > How extreme hard is it to just pay an unjust property tax bill when me and my 'other' are carrying when going to the county tax office. Take every little old thing out of your pocket, search my bag, and disallow a hunting knife and then a medal detector scan is what it takes. The county council knows how hard it is to get into their office without my holstered gun. < Give us our, not infringed upon gun rights back. Give us our property rights back. Say no to politicians who want to spend and spand and spend and then tax and tax for their own business interest. Drain the swamp starting with the county council.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Mon, Dec 12, 2016, at 9:44 PM"

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Thu, Dec 29, 2016, at 3:49 PM

Those folks were complaining about belts and didn't mention property taxes. The first "chloe" rant was two weeks later and was about the city mayor and the next was whining about a subdivision. Given the rest of "Chloe"s ranting it doesnt look like they are connected.

-- Posted by justthefactsplease on Thu, Dec 29, 2016, at 3:28 PM

From what my little eye spied, Chloe Wilson popped up on the political banter box after a letter to the editor, dated Nov 9, 2016, complaining about the courthouse security was published. One of Chloe Wilson's first comments was about that very same thing! They were trying to pay their property taxes...or something like that.

A simple google of the names on that letter to the editor showed me that the author is a landowner...hmmmmm...Coincidence?

I think not.

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Thu, Dec 29, 2016, at 12:21 PM

The more "Chloe" talks, the easier it is to tell how much credibility to give "her." By the way, "Chloe," who's "Bunni" you referenced in your post below "just like Bunni said.."

-- Posted by justthefactsplease on Thu, Dec 29, 2016, at 11:41 AM

Chloe......The city turned away?.......you read? Where do you really get your information? Are you the daughter or family member of this Carrie you keep whining about. I feel you are somehow involved as your vendetta shows your animosity toward anyone who does their job around here. OH, Try "our" over "are"......have a good day Ms Chloe.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Dec 29, 2016, at 7:03 AM

I read the county council is in cahoots with our city council for a $150000 long time yearly contract to get business' to open up shop in Elmore County. A company called Bruxton was hired to find franchizes to come to MoHo. In there own words the county council approved a; retail recruitment agreement between Buxton, Elmore County and the City of Mountain Home; in February. $150000 of are money has rapidly filled the local swamps of government. How can the city and county justify spending are money when they turned away the Cabellas store, a meat packing plant and Careys big housing project. Will they turn away a money making 1.5 BILLION $$$ Faulkner energy plant to? Drain the swamp before we drown. The more I read and hear the more CRITICAL it is to elect them out next year.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Wed, Dec 28, 2016, at 7:13 PM

Goatbeard; I dont know the particulars as I was told the Boise council asked Faulkners ranch if they might double the new lake on Little Camas Prairie. Faulkner said yes and he owns the property and will eventuly get his rights to that property back to use as he wants. He will have the water rights to sell to who ever pays. Elmore County wont pay for new water but if Boise is asking they will likely get the water. Call the Faulkner people if you want more or wait for next year when the county council is forced to admit they INFRINGED on land rights.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Wed, Dec 21, 2016, at 8:18 PM

So, Chloe......what your telling us is that the Faulkner project is coming by a source of water that they can dole out as they see fit? Is that correct. Where is this water coming from if it's not already on it's way to Arrowrock?

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Dec 21, 2016, at 1:44 PM

The grapevines are saying the Faulkners and his energy consortium has offered their new and now mucho bigger Little Camas lake water to Boise instead of the ungrateful Elmore County Council. Was there any doubt that those swampy political councilmen ever wanted to let this project move forward. When it is OK"d Elmore County will loose out on a steady flow of water. Boise knows how to go after the resources they need but are officers just want cell phones and internet. My corn requires water so lets mayb's drain the county swamps next elections. Give us are land rights back and go after what is important.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Tue, Dec 20, 2016, at 8:27 PM

Oh Gawd, he's back!

-- Posted by MrMister on Sun, Dec 18, 2016, at 3:56 PM


Ok. Whatever you say.

Joe_Smoe had the right idea...I'm disengaging in this conversation.

Have a wonderful evening.

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 11:07 PM

Longtimelistener; As I have always said you cant have it both ways. Trump was elected and he hasn't been put in place yet but you state he is going to doomed this country. How can any one say that before he is PRESIDENT. Obama is only in office because he tricked everyone. Conservatives and even Trump understands he was never eligible to be PRESIDENT. Sorry you think every one knows Mark Byrent owns a bar. Not true and ask a round. But the word is getting out he gets free city deputy bar bouncers after he handed Mayor Sykes the keys to a brand new car. Facts.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 9:26 PM

...by the way, ChloeWilson...our PRESIDENT, until Jan 20, 2017 is BARACK OBAMA.

Trump will be lucky if he even gets sworn-in, in January.

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 11:10 PM

Oh PUHHH-LEASE! Anyone who has lived in Mountain Home for the last 2 years and follows local politics KNOWS that Mark Bryant owns the cigar bar on 2nd Street. And Trump deserves NOTHING. He and Putin will drive this once fine nation into ruination.


-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 11:06 PM

Joe; I don't believe for one second you knew who the bar owning councilmen was. If it wasn't for me bringing this topic up, you might not have looked into are very own government workings. And please settle a little for the people and your loved 1s. Longtimelisener; Our PRESIDENT deserves a chance to get this country back on track and he needs our help draining the Elmore cesspools.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 9:28 PM


Your credibility is gone with me. I knew who the councilman was the whole time, I know him personally.

As far as me carrying, who says I don't? That's the beauty of concealed carry, none of your business if I am or not.

I'll leave you to your ill informed ways to make accusations with no verifiable backing what so ever.

Have a good day :)

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 9:13 AM

The president-elect may be draining the existing swamp but the replacements he's making will result in a cesspool.

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 9:05 AM

Bravo to longtimelistener; I got the right government but the wrong governor of the city council. MarkB is the guy who owns that bar who will get some tax supported door guards and bouncers. Joe; if you don't believe me then don't but go out to get your own answers. What I say about carrying is simple and common "You don't want to carry than don't carry but those of us who do shouldn't be prevented" just like bunni said. With respect Joe you are angry mad with the wrong people and mayb's you shouldn't carry until the spirit calms you. McCallums; draining the swamp is what our President Trump is doing in DC. Chasing the corrupt and corruption out in Elmore is what we are charged with. Down the drain with the city and county councils.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Wed, Dec 14, 2016, at 9:42 PM

And, wrong councilman; it's Mark Bryant that owns the bar on 2nd street.

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Wed, Dec 14, 2016, at 4:17 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Chloe is referencing Trump's comment in October of 'draining the swamp' a metaphor meaning to clean house.


-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Wed, Dec 14, 2016, at 4:07 PM

Chloe, you implied/said Mr Schroeder owns a bar. The burden of proof is in your court not mine.

You mentioned talking to people and reading the news.

During this most recent election I watch the news. Most had Killary winning in every poll.

Talk is even cheaper. Remember the phrase, "you can keep your current plan"?

Like I said, facts, just the facts. You have provided no backing of your accusations.

Carrying a weapon, who says I don't? It's none of your business.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Dec 14, 2016, at 10:05 AM


You are still talking in riddles but I think I have one thing figured out. When you refer to draining the swamp are you actually saying that the local politicians need to be weeded out? I have never been very good with riddles so pardon me if I have it wrong. In the beginning I thought you were actually referring to some swamp somewhere, surely you can see how your wording can lead to confusion!

Anyway I am with you that changes need to be made, personally I think there are too many political positions for this area. I have dealt with the county commissioners, the behavior I witnessed in a couple of these men was unbecoming of public servants and that is exactly what they are, nothing more. I would like to know what their pay is compared to the actual hours worked and just what benefits they receive. I am sure this information is logged somewhere but I don't know if it is available to the public.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Wed, Dec 14, 2016, at 4:20 AM

Joe; the bar is on north 2d street. There are couple in the area so ask around if you want to have a drink with the man. And because you don't know of any court house that would allow citizens to carry a weapon doesn't mean local government isn't infringing the rights in the 2d ammendment. Infringing is a comon word included in the US CONSTITUTION. You don't want to carry than don't carry but those of us who do shouldn't be prevented. Joe; you said you want proof of wrong doing and are rights being taken away? Read the news and talk to people who know about the Elmore area government. Its all out there for you to make the verdict to drain the swamps from moho to Boise. LongTimeLisener are county council is a group of honorable but very misguided elected officers named Corbus, Hofer and Wootan.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Tue, Dec 13, 2016, at 9:20 PM

...and who is the county council?

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Tue, Dec 13, 2016, at 4:45 PM

I'm curious to know which bar Geoff Schroeder owns also! ha!

-- Posted by LongTimeListener on Tue, Dec 13, 2016, at 4:41 PM

Exactly which bar does Schroeder own? I'd like to sit and have a beverage with him, have a couple questions I'd like answers to.

I know of no court house that allows weapons to be carried by other than law enforcement. In todays society it makes sense.

Have any proof of the accusations made towards the Mayor and his band of merrymen? I'd like a bit more evidence presented before we call for a verdict.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Dec 13, 2016, at 8:32 AM

Let me be clear in my preaching with no more name calling. The people of this area talk a good talk but how they are walking that walk is shameful. Hows that, you riddle me? The officers running for seats in our Elmore area government look us in the eye and say the 2d ammendment is important but what happened? How extreme hard is it to just pay an unjust property tax bill when me and my 'other' are carrying when going to the county tax office. Take every little old thing out of your pocket, search my bag, and disallow a hunting knife and then a medal detector scan is what it takes. The county council knows how hard it is to get into their office without my holstered gun. Give us our, not infringed upon gun rights back. Give us our property rights back. Say no to politicians who want to spend and spand and spend and then tax and tax for their own business interest. Drain the swamp starting with the county council.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Mon, Dec 12, 2016, at 9:44 PM


I am all for you being so passionate about your plight, however, for you to be better understood you might talk in a language that I for one can better understand. Speaking in riddles and referring people as " Royal Hipness" and "his Storm Troopers" is becoming annoying. Could you please refrain from doing so? I would like to learn more about what you are talking about but you are making it hard to do.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Mon, Dec 12, 2016, at 12:40 AM

Goatman; if you bothered to read what I have been preaching, youd understand the real Grinchs are are elected local officers. The real entent of government isn't to take money from us and infringe on are rights. You can sit back and poke fun at citizens who want government officers to stay away but a check of your bulletin board posts shows an abundance of government concerns. Practice what you preach and preach what you practice. Back off or help us drain the swamp goatee.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Sun, Dec 11, 2016, at 9:11 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher Publisher:
You have gotten people reading and attempting to understand your concerns however it is time for the name calling to stop. Simple request. Thank you.

Good Lord Chloe..........the grinch has nothing on you does he. In order for the community to understand your anger, you should spill the whole story on why your so down on the elected officials of Mtn. Home and Elmore County. Usually when people's blood pressure boils like yours there's an underlying reason for the anger. Surly someone in the city or county has given you a ticket or summons of some sort to wind you up the way you are. Please share so we can understand where your coming from. Thank you and have a better day.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Dec 11, 2016, at 8:17 AM

After a 3 month cease-fire, His Royal Hipness Mayor Sykes alongside his Royal Storm Troopers will once again wage war with local bar customers. Why won't the police deputies stay out of the local shops until a real crime is committed. Come to think of it King Sykes and his 4 merry storm councilclowns are the real crime in the story. Schroder owns a bar in moho. He must love the tax payer paid door guards and bouncers the city deputies give him. Follow the stream of water into the swamp. The councilclowns give Skyes a mayoral chariot made by Chevy and he gives them tax paid employees to work day and night for them. Did moho elect those 5 only to have them stomp and stumble over us and are property rights. If the storm trooper helmets fit the council will submit to his Hipness Sykes. Follow the tax dollars stream into the swamp and then drain it dry next year. Give us back r' rights.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Sat, Dec 10, 2016, at 8:03 PM

Hi Brenda:

Merry Christmas to you and the whole newspaper family. I certainly miss working with everyone there except Joy and Bobbie. Those two were just plain trouble ;-)

-- Posted by bondyweb on Tue, Dec 6, 2016, at 11:51 AM
Response by Brenda Fincher:
Lol! :) we miss you too but those two especially!

Hi all:

As Erin Burden indicated in her November 30, 2016 Mountain Home News article, there is an Elmore County Commissioners special CUP appeal hearing regarding the Cat Creek Energy LLC project scheduled for December 16, 2016 at 2 p.m.

The legal notice suggests the commissioners have additional information about the alternate energy project and are reopening the appeal hearing. The public is welcome to provide additional testimony but only if it pertains to the new information.

Considering the recent posts on this Banter Box, some or all of you might be interested in attending the hearing. It will be held in the basement of the courthouse.

-- Posted by bondyweb on Mon, Dec 5, 2016, at 11:23 AM
Response by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews:
Hey Tim

Hope this finds you well. Thanks for the reminder! Merry Christmas!

Wcombs; we will see early next year if the county respects the property owners or a group of individuals who think a water, wind and solar park next to a US Highway will ruin the lives of a few deer and elk. The county council will meet in January to stand up for private property rights or sit on their comfy tax payer provided lazyboy thrones.

Then there is news about 'legislator-elect Blankma' What has happened to Idaho political officers? The words efficient and smaller government flow easily from her mouth while saying she will fight to tax citizens so her farm and business will get cell phone and internet service. Thats not small government, thats not a government task, thats a private business job to build the towers and run the cable.

Mayb's the county and city council will band togther this winter to advertise the biggest ice skating swamp in the West sponsored by our very own spend and spend and spend and then tax RINO Republicans led by our newest legislator-elect. We can't continue to restrict our property rights while our new Boise law makers tax those same property owners for internet and cell phone towers. Drain the RINO swamp starting next year.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Sat, Dec 3, 2016, at 2:51 PM

wcombs.......excellent answer. Others have a right to enjoy their "private property" too. I'm seeing the love of argument here and I seriously doubt you have gotten through. It's like being allowed to dump your trash on your neighbors property.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Fri, Dec 2, 2016, at 7:05 AM

I think you missed the point. A person, man or woman, should be able to do whatever they wish on their own property. But not at the expense of their neighbors enjoyment of THEIR own property. This Cat Creek Energy project contains elements that, while physically bounded on what should normally be sovereign private property, are highly intrusive upon the majestic nature of other private and public interests it is surrounded by. This 1.5 billion dollar project, the largest in Idaho, will have a major impact on the area during and post construction! If you wanted to put a wind turbine or large structure in your own backyard that would be a major visual or noise related disturbance to your neighbors (or not compatible with the environment), you would not be allowed to do it. It's that simple! And again, the detriment to the wildlife. Fish & Game think the elimination of 1,000 acres of habitat for the upper reservoir could have a funneling effect to migrating big game into areas being developed for wind and solar. They will not just be inconvenienced! The property is important greater sage grouse territory!!! Also, two thirds of the upper reservoir and dam will be located on Areas of Critical Concern in Elmore County. This private property owner should not be able to get a water right to pump water out of that reservoir! Fish & Game are also very concerned about the effect on water quality and temperature that could affect the fish, including the Bull Trout! Let's not forget all the birds (raptors, blue birds, etc.) in that area that can be killed by that many wind turbines and solar panels. Site location is critical for these types of projects. It is NOT compatible and IS a very BAD location for this massive type of project for so many reasons. This environmental footprint needs to land in an area where the only populations infringed upon are rattlesnakes and plague-infested ground squirrels. Not in the heart of one of Idaho's finest and most majestic wildlife, hunting, fishing, camping and recreational areas. "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone. They paved paradise and put up a parking lot." Joni Mitchell, Big Yellow Taxi, 1970.

-- Posted by wcombs on Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 2:08 PM

wcombs, I used Falkners project as an example because, like you alluded to, the county will not let his group build on his privately owned property. I understand some deer and elk will be inconvenienced by the wind and solar parks. My family hunts in that area every year and we also inconvenience those animal and they keep coming back year after year. Hunters actually harvest alot of those animals along the highway belt.

You know as well as I do creating a lake on Little Camas isn't going to hurt the environment any more than the other two lakes in the area. There are already 2 dams in the area.

I respect your thoughts on the energy plan but it is private property and our land rights are slowly being INFRIGED upon. Drain the local swamp in favor of private property rights.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 9:52 PM

C. Wilson. I don't know why you used Faulkner as an example of the county not allowing people to do what they want with their property. The county denied Faulkner the permits because the county Comprehensive Plan and Ordinances deem his Cat Creek Energy project is not compatible with the environment! After all, the project consists of a 50,000 acre foot upper reservoir with a 3.4 mile long, 60 foot dam and 6 silos pumping water up and down out of Anderson Ranch Reservoir 24/7/365 days a year, 39 - 318 ft. tall wind turbines, 171,000 solar panels and who knows how many miles of transmission lines. This 1.5 BILLION dollar project does not belong on Anderson Ranch! It infringes on every property owner and business in that area and every single person that goes to fish, boat, camp, hunt, travel and recreate in that area. Not to mention Fish & Game declared it a major wildlife corridor. This project will displace and kill many of the wildlife in the area. For some reason, Faulkner does not have a problem with that. This project must be stopped at all costs! It is NOT compatible with the environment - period!

-- Posted by wcombs on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 9:01 AM

A friend has been asking the city, county and school board about mysterious and unexplained property taxes she is being charged. She cannot get a straight answer from our government officers and its been nearly 3 weeks. The city and county have stopped property owners from building on their land and don't have the knowledge or ability to give us answers for why they are taxing us. The swamp waters are contaminated with the government over reach. We have the responsibility to drain that swamp. Stand up for your property rights and against over reaching into our pockets.

And then there is the poor little boy who lost his car. He has been complaining about the school admin and everything else under that sad little rain cloud he has lived under for the past few years. Maybe Santa can give the little dude a stocking full of pacifiers to keep him happy when mommy takes him to the bigbox store in his pajamas. Better yet mayb's his hipness can give the little boy a pacifier variance. Just a thought?!?

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Tue, Nov 29, 2016, at 8:57 PM

Mayor Sykes,

Give her a variance so she'll shut up and go away please

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Nov 29, 2016, at 2:42 PM

Goatbeard; you asked for examples of people losing their property rights and I provided 2 recent county examples. You gave me one moho example and now you said the people shouldn't champion private property rights based only upon the business they conduct. Sorry but I am willing to stand up for everyone who owns property in this state. If up to you as long as we have those dog and odor free zones in moho, the people should simply throw their personal property rights out into the local swamp lands because others did things you don't approve from. I cannot and won't do that.

Its possible our Boise and DC elected officers will make a difference next year by insisting that DC rip down those NO BUSINESS ALLOWED signs that have been hanging in our mountains, forest an desert for the last 40 years. At least we will have a leader in the White House that will make sure Idaho property is used to enrich the people of Idaho. He wants to drain the swamps and we need to help him starting with the city and county councils.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Sun, Nov 27, 2016, at 2:20 PM

Before one champions developers and ranchers......they should look back at the histories of some of their projects. Having worked on the infrastructure of some of those, I would highly suggest strict inspections on anything they develop. There are a lot of reasons some of these projects have been disapproved and they don't have anything to do with an R or D.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sat, Nov 26, 2016, at 7:36 AM

Chloe, this county/city is run by a certain political party and will continue to elect people unsuited or least suited for these powerful positions. The most recent election was won by republicans all the way down. I spoke with a number of people who do not even vote according to who is running but rather for the party they have supported the majority of their lives. How can we ever be represented by the "best" person if party affiliation is the main factor? I look forward to a day when there are no more parties, just the best for the position. Some of these people have been elected officials in this city/county for years and years and actually believe it must me due to the awesome job they are doing. I say stop letting your head get so big, it is the party they vote in not the person.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Sat, Nov 26, 2016, at 4:39 AM

Goatbread--the city and county ganged up on Jim Carey when he wanted to build his housing complex on the west part of the city. They said water is to scarce but both governments are eager to invite any an all new businesses to come to moho. And the county said no, no, no, no and no to Faulkner who just wants to create a lake and some windmills on his ranch near Little Camas. Maybe sykes and the county council have protected your dog and smell free zones for you and mayb's these same swamp creatures will stop you from building a room on to your house in the future. Draining the swamp is the only option to cure the sickness of government over reach.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Thu, Nov 24, 2016, at 9:17 AM

What has happened to our property rights....I haven't heard of anything being said about what I can do with my place. If your talking about limits on animals in the city.........it's about time. Neighbors have a right to enjoy their properties too without a lot of odors and noise.....

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Nov 24, 2016, at 8:17 AM

The county council is a group of honorable but very misguided elected officers named Corbus, Hofer and Wootan.

The city courtjesters just voted Sykes the key to a Royal Chariot. Heard it was a Chevy and not a job migration Ford at least. Are we going to drain the swamp or pay the royally high price for their idea of small government and meddling in our property rights?!?

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Wed, Nov 23, 2016, at 10:03 PM

Who is the "county council" and are you saying that the city has provided a vehicle for our Mayor?

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Tue, Nov 22, 2016, at 8:52 AM

The county council has been busy this year making sure owners can't do anything with their own property. We re-elected them so in some small way we bare the responsibility for these UnAmerican property votes. They vote against land owners and we will vote against the county council next time. Our property and our rights moho. We will bow no more. We will Drain the Local Swamp.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Sun, Nov 20, 2016, at 9:31 PM

Word is his Royal Hipness Mayor Sykes will finaly get his tax payer provided royal chariot. Will his Royal Hipness get a city provided castle too? Mayb's the new car is enough for this year and next year his Royal Court counciljesters will build him his own castle. He may need a moat if the council approves the castle. Small government comes with a royally high price in this town.

-- Posted by ChloeWilson on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 8:12 PM

Votes on the little poll.......twice as many "what revisions" as there are yay or nay. Any wonder some things never change? And this is reminiscent of the whole country. We need to start keeping abreast of things and putting forth a little concern about what goes on around us.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Oct 30, 2016, at 6:46 AM

On Tuesday, October 18th the Chamber of Commerce along with the Mountain Home Elks Lodge will be hosting a Political Forum in preparation for the upcoming General Election. Please bring your concerning questions for the candidates. The candidates who will be answering your questions will be Christy Zito who is running for State Representative position A; Megan Blanksma, State Representative position B; Roy "Lynn" McCallum and Mike Hollinshead, County Sheriff; Kristina Schindele and Daniel Page for Prosecuting Attorney. The doors will open at 5:30pm and the forum will begin at 6:00pm. I hope you will all join us to hear what these candidates have to say during this important event.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Thu, Oct 13, 2016, at 12:49 PM

MHHS Admin,

As you may know, tomorrow night is Senior Night at the football game. I graciously ask that you check the programs and make sure they are correct (names and numbers). Please make sure all the names of the Seniors are pronounced correctly. Please do this so that your student/athletes of four years feel that you really do care about them. Thank you.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Oct 6, 2016, at 9:01 PM

Rather than be focused on how the WECRD has supported local sports, why not focus on why MHSD has not supported the very same programs despite levy after levy being placed upon the taxpayers. Do I agree with how the WECRD has supported programs, not entirely but at least they are doing something to improve the community. How as MHSD responded? I know one board member that smiles when he talks of how now the MHSD can use the monies elsewhere but won't say where.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Oct 5, 2016, at 5:11 AM

School administrators and parents should be running the school system. Student should go there, sit quietly and learn. Not today. No wonder so many graduate and can't spell their own names. Congratulations to the students and adults who promoted this nonsense? Something is wrong.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Mon, Sep 26, 2016, at 8:05 AM

Still trying to figure out what the students were protesting. Was it the proposed removal of their art or the content of the art or something else? And please don't give me that BLM speech. ALL lives matter.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Sep 21, 2016, at 4:52 PM

I feel most people in the WECRD agree with the attorney Generals legal opinion concerning the outlet of tax monies collected. Most of the money spent benefited organizations which were not part of the taxing district. Once one grant was made organizations began to line up for a donation. WECRD tax money should be used to benefit all taxpayers with some sort of facility. Using that money for things that only benefited a few small organizations was a bust. One can only hope that someday the WECRD will become a viable organization that we taxpayers can be proud of. We really can't support multi million dollar swimming pools and athletic centers such as those seen in more populated taxing districts, but, there are a couple around that have been looked at which this district could afford. No more fighting already, get together and lets make something work our for the whole district.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Sep 21, 2016, at 7:38 AM

GUESS WHAT DAY IT IS ????? It's go everywhere in you pajama day because our red white and blue cards and bank accounts have been re-loaded. Please!!!!! Put some clothes on. Have some respect for yourself. If not yourself, at least for your children when you drop them off at school, or take them shopping with you.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Sep 1, 2016, at 1:56 PM

"Opposing points of views, and I don't mean the rant and rave or "I am right and your wrong" type of dialogue, can be beneficial and actually helpful to another on the fence or at the very least bring birds of a feather together."

I have not seen that with any of the recent letters to the editor. The tend to bash the current board, who have actually done something after 16 years of NOTHING other then what seems to have been spending money with no tangible recreation to show for it. If MHN truly wants to stay on the fence and be helpful, maybe not publish those letters that keep calling out the current board of the WECRD. My work will not let me send a letter in as my name would be attached to it. There is no written rule that says I cannot, but my personal integrity will not allow me to. I do not want anyone to say a work decision was biased and thus have chosen not to send any letter.

Response by Brenda Fincher:

You have not seen as none have been submitted other than one with more than the word count allowance and we will run at their edit and resubmit if they chose. I will not disallow one to balance another. The opportunity is available to both. The ebb and flow of the topic of what is on people's mind changes all the time. Those are their opinion and not that of the MHNews. Your reasons are your own when it come to not submitting your identity. I have always respected that. Letters to the editor or editorials are just that. Strictly the hand of the identified writer. Have a good Sunday. B

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, Aug 12, 2016, at 3:20 PM

Thought I better ask on here rather than the regular blog. I wanted to ask the MHN staff why does it seem the only letters published concerning the WECRD are all attacking the current board? Surely there are some that support or another topic that is less likely stir the pot again and again.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Aug 10, 2016, at 6:32 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews:
We would be happy to receive the supporting points of view. Opposing points of views, and I don't mean the rant and rave or "I am right and your wrong" type of dialogue, can be beneficial and actually helpful to another on the fence or at the very least bring birds of a feather together. If you found the others words to be an attack than share your supporting view and why. I do believe in being informed by either reading or attending meetings and or forums to help me understand or make a decision. Perceived explanations vs. documented explanation are always a matter of interpretation. But being involved can help with those resolutions. Positions of a political nature or a result of a political event will always have the yea or nae fence. Adult conversation is a good thing! Some can agree to disagree and some cannot. That will never change.

We do have the maximum word count allowance published due to space limitations on page layout (500 words) that we require writers to adhere to but other than that we encourage your letters. I extend these restrictions to all in all fairness and again for our design. You are right, something on a different topic would be great and welcomed but the factor I see that is a huge deterrent is the fact that we require confirmed published identification in the letters to the editor especially when you have something to fuss about. You are very correct that some spend a lifetime with their hands in dirty dishes and continue to bring out all the dirty pots and pans over and over with a great big giant ladle to stir with. If the desired confrontation or response is not received then wait a week or month and bring it up again. We have to pick our battles in life and reading something that is in opposition to another is simply that and does not require an argument or rebuttal and does not mean I agree or disagree. That person has that right to that opinion and has really no bearing on another. We all have our own passions and causes and our own resolve to a situation or belief. In any event we invite your letters to the editors. Please read any guidelines or published restrictions of submission. Thank you and have a great weekend. B

The political corner is dead. But that's what happens when they control the point of view by deleting posts. The Mountain Home News is following closely. It's pointless to try to get any source of news here. I would think all the left would be overloading the political forum knowing Trump is going to be the next Pres.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Aug 8, 2016, at 2:49 PM

I think alot of people are busy getting their skateboards ready for the upcoming skate park!

But the political corner is dead these days. Maybe we can get a new corner?!?!

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Wed, Jul 27, 2016, at 8:04 AM

Been a hectic week so have not had time to make a post. Sorry if that violates some unwritten rule.

Wonder now that the campaign to recall the current directors of the WECRD, what the next tactic from the supporters of the ousted board and past employees will be.

Twice now the registered voters have spoken and done so loudly by voting or not signing the recall petition.

As many have said, it is time to move on from past events and do what is right to make this wonderful town even better.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Tue, Jul 26, 2016, at 4:16 PM

Thought about this for sometime before I replied. I find is a smack in the face that the opinion of a citizen is not important to a staff member of the MHN. To me it goes to show how the public's opinion is valued on not only this topic but maybe any other political topic. As my opinion is "not important" doubt I will voice it on this blog much. Thanks to Brenda for pointing out that a citizen's thoughts/opinions are not important. Glad you know what is best.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Jul 6, 2016, at 9:02 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher Publisher:
You asked why it was important that you reveal your identity and I answered that is was not nor was there any need to clarify on user names remaining anonymous but never was there any reference to opinions public or political or their importance. But thank you for your thought. Have a fabulous day sir.

So I violated no written rule but had my post removed? Could the delay is asking been caused by life events that I had to handle and finally was able to finish my response? I wanted to know why it was so important that I reveal my identity and was asking for clarification. But know I will not know the other person's views as there is seems to be an unwritten time limit for people to respond. Do you wonder why many do not respond on here? Just wondering.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 4:02 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher:
It is not important. Some people prefer to deal with individuals direct like myself and some of our other commenters rather than behind a fictitious user name. It does not need to be clarified in the fact that as long as I have policy for it to remain anonymous it is allowed. The reader did not seem to be concerned as he did not reply to your response once you gave your answer. Again I ask over and over again to stay on topic of story or political issues. Your user name is neither. It is currently allowed policy to be anonymous so no additional clarification is required. Thank you.

This is for who ever monitors this blog. Wondering why a comment I made, that I and others saw is no longer on here? I do not think it violated any rules but if it did, it would aid in knowing what rule I broke. The post was about why someone feels it is so important to know exactly who I am. Please let all of us know what rule was violated in a post rather than any private communication.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Tue, Jun 28, 2016, at 6:22 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher:
The question was raised on the 10th why not state your name. You responded on the 11th why you do not. End of subject. No challenge needed. 2 weeks later you question why it's important. Evidently it was not. It has no political topic of conversation. Thank you.

I have my reasons for not using my real name, as in protection of my family from insults and to ensure my personal views are not misconstrued into my professional life. Others might not have an issue with those events but it is my choice to do my best to avoid that yet still voice my thoughts in an adult like manner and with respect.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sat, Jun 11, 2016, at 6:56 AM

I may not always agree with them, but I find it interesting and I respect James E. Smith, Geoff Schroeder and others for having the courage to sign their posts with their real names. I have decided to do so as well and would encourage Old Guy and Mr Mister to do the same.

-- Posted by Jonathon Fredericks on Fri, Jun 10, 2016, at 10:15 AM

WOW The political forum has died. Kinda reminds me of Mountain Home. The only thing that is ever new is the complaining. This is what happens to the interest in the MTN Home News when they block everyone who doesn't agree with them politically. I love it.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Jun 6, 2016, at 10:15 AM

Any bets that after the latest incidents at East/North the MHSD will have their hands out yet again?

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Fri, May 27, 2016, at 11:30 AM


Not sure what you are posting about other than to try to stalk me. I represented my thoughts as just that my thoughts and even you said that it is my opinion. I won't say I am sorry if it differs from your opinion. Do you have anything of value to add or just going to hound me?

Werborg was the one that asked for me to provide proof to back up my opinion. I do not feel the need to do that since I never presented it as fact but as my opinion. Just as you stated, "C'mon, you know as well as anyone else that what you said implies that you think you've been levied or taxed by the MHSD for the last 17 years. " i feel that way since it does seem every election or every year, we are asked to approve another levy.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, May 27, 2016, at 6:58 AM

"I have been living here 17 years and I am hard pressed to remember a year that MHSD was not asking for money."

C'mon, you know as well as anyone else that what you said implies that you think you've been levied or taxed by the MHSD for the last 17 years.

Perhaps YOU should carefully consider what you write prior to "baiting" the local community for a response.

-- Posted by MrMister on Thu, May 26, 2016, at 4:06 PM


I did go read the minutes and no where does it "it states that Art personally motioned to give the money to the softball team in direct support of FAMILY and his FRIEND who he conducted the off season practices with. " The minutes state that he made a motion, which was approved to donate money to the softball team. Seems you do not know how to quote facts and instead put your personal opinion in there as fact. How is that for fact checking and providing proof?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, May 25, 2016, at 5:09 AM


Read my comment again, said I was hard pressed to remember when, never did I say it was FACT. So I have no need to provide you proof as I was stating what I thought and never presented it as FACT. Maybe you should consider reading a post, stepping away and rereading it again before you respond. If someone presents something as FACT in the past, I asked for proof but rarely was it produced. Instead, like you did I was instructed to find it for myself. As for the WECRD, you provide the proof of what was said and not expect me to go look for it. Enjoy your day.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Tue, May 24, 2016, at 4:14 PM

Old Guy you were correct the new board is better than the old. It only took them 5 months to get the meeting minutes finally up on the website but I guess a recall threat by your own former staff will do that. You should check out the minutes to the 30 March special meeting where it states that Art personally motioned to give the money to the softball team in direct support of FAMILY and his FRIEND who he conducted the off season practices with.

On to the school district having their hand in your checkbook for the last 17 years please show your PROOF because the supplemental levie has only been in place for the last 4 years. Where is your PROOF you want everyone else to provide PROOF and yet you make a statement that the district has been in your checkbook for 17 years with no PROOF please provide the PROOF to your statements.

-- Posted by werborg on Mon, May 23, 2016, at 3:52 PM

I have been living here 17 years and I am hard pressed to remember a year that MHSD was not asking for money. I could be way off but it just seems this is a normal and yearly practice for the district. I wish I could go ask people for money to pay my bills when I decide to spend more than I make. I hope that there is a year very soon that MHSD takes their hands out of my checkbook so I can take care of myself in a better manner.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, May 20, 2016, at 5:12 AM


The main reason for the levy is that the State cut funding back in 2008 and is just now starting to increase the money to the district. they are currently funding the schools at a 2009 level even though they have 2016 bills. The state education committee chairman has stated several times that he fully expects the school districts to run the levies to make up for the lost funding. The 2.7M per year is just that the difference in what funding is received and what is spent. If you want to see the budget all you need to do is contact the school district and request it. the budget is a matter of public record.

-- Posted by werborg on Thu, May 19, 2016, at 1:20 PM

So voting is all over with and the county came out and represented. My only question is: Why did we vote on another levy for the schools...I get times are tough, but this 2.7 million dollars every year or 2 years is getting crazy. Does anyone know where I can get a complete breakdown on what goes out? Would love to know where all this money goes. I myself have not seen any huge changes in the school system here...maybe a new roof on one school, but did that roof use up all the money? I don't want to sound like I am complaining...Just really curious where all this money goes and why we have to keep doing these levies all the time...thanks

-- Posted by robinhood1 on Wed, May 18, 2016, at 2:31 PM

Elmore County went out and voted yesterday. Great to see those numbers. What happens next for our Chief Deputy, is it business as usual until November? This is a huge shake up for this County. So unexpected. Maybe someone out there knows the answer to whats next. Thanks!

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Wed, May 18, 2016, at 11:15 AM


I have not been to the counter, called, bumped into you or read the political handout that has been out there for over two months now, therefore I was unaware of YOUR rules about what can and cannot be posted in the political forum. My concern at the time I posted was gathered from my experience of having almost ALL posts on opinions relating to local and county law enforcement, court issues and the justice system removed and they were posted way outside your 2 week requirements. It is my opinion that you delete anything that goes against your own opinion relating to these entities. Your paper lacks fairness in these issues and have shown to be totally one sided in political issues in the past. While I do seem to have a habit of using names in my posts, my statements are all founded and include no slander. Please do not assume that because you have information "out there" for any period of time that the entire population of Elmore County has read it or even been aware it was out there.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 10:03 PM
Response by Brenda:
Thank you now for being aware of policy and refraining from additional comments. Being a newspaper we rely on publishing our policy in writing to make it fair. The political policy has remained the same for the last few years in our products.

Wow and entire week without Mr. Smith whining about the WECRD and his all knowing thoughts. I love it.

-- Posted by Old guy on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 6:24 AM

And ALMOST an entire week without you gloating. I loved it.

-- Posted by MrMister on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 8:00 PM

Let me be very clear on my stand again here on this web site and in the publications for that fact. I have stated to anyone at the counter, anyone who called, I bumped into and they asked AND have it published in the political handout that has been out there for over two months now that I will not accept any negative comments ads or statements at a minimum of two weeks out from the election which includes the last two MHNews publications. No one has any idea where my support lies unless you know me personally and I told you OR as many will tell you, I keep that private as a citizen with a viable interest in what is important to me as a voter and taxpayer and do my own homework. As someone that runs a business with direct ties to the situations I treat everyone with the same respect and options when it came to their political campaign. I had staff attending each forum where questions and answers were on an even playing field and myself was there as the silent observer. We have turned people away from paid advertising and not accepted it and likewise when they approached the office with "information". I applaud everyone for their passions and beliefs and the ability to share their experiences in a a adult manner. I encourage everyone to get out there and vote tomorrow if you have not already and be part of making the changes and placing the individuals in positions that you believe will make those things possible. Good luck to everyone tomorrow night. We will hold the paper tomorrow night until after the ballot count so that we may have it for all the readers on Wednesday morning. Thank you Staff in advance for the very long day we will have tomorrow. I wish you all peace and satisfactory outcomes.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 5:25 PM

Old Guy, if you are on FB and see all of the people who don't like him.... take their name to the Idaho Repository.

-- Posted by nosey one on Mon, May 16, 2016, at 12:28 PM

I've also noticed that. Seems to be some personal animosity going on there.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 8:02 AM

I have been following some information posted on social media about one of the candidates for sheriff. While the person providing the information claims they are not personal attacks, to this voter is seems like they are. They have focused on one candidate only and when asked why are they not doing the same research on the other candidates, silence is the answer. If their goal was to sway votes away from that one candidate, I think they might be failing. While I have not made my mind up on my vote it is starting to sway towards the one candidate that the person seems to have spent hours if not days researching.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, May 11, 2016, at 5:10 AM

This WECRD thing has been a point of division in the county for so long it's becoming a foolish war of words. It's pretty obvious the sides are taking positions for yet another power struggle. Seriously, isn't the best bet to just dissolve the district? It will never be what the designers envisioned. It's been a terrible flop from day one. Continuation of Stop The Madness, in my opinion, would be the best result for all involved.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, May 10, 2016, at 7:39 AM

Wow and entire week without Mr. Smith whining about the WECRD and his all knowing thoughts. I love it.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, May 9, 2016, at 6:24 AM

So are they still collecting signatures? How long do they have to get the required amount and how many are required to get it on the ballet? Just a couple of questions, please don't trample me to harshly.

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Thu, May 5, 2016, at 1:33 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews:
We have all the particulars we were able to gathers in this weeks paper. thanks, B

Prove it... Prove it.... Prove it.... Those asking for all the proof have removed all doubt.....

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, May 5, 2016, at 7:05 AM

The Bus Barn is exactly that, an old barn. Forget it.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, May 5, 2016, at 6:57 AM

Don't expect Mr. Smith to change his view anytime soon. He is like a record that is stuck in the same groove. He had no issues with his past board handpicking replacement board members but since they legally lost the election, he has done nothing but keep repeating himself.

I will ask him to provide proof about the current board looking at the vacant Pauls or school bus buildings for re-use. How exactly do you know this Mr. Smith and is it in writing somewhere? I command you to provide FACTS for a change.

Time to feed a different monkey.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Tue, May 3, 2016, at 4:47 AM

Mr Smith,

The Mt Home News rag published an article concerning the new WECRD. It stated that filling the vacant seat would not occur until the lines for redistricting had been finished, which is being done currently.

Also, here is a way to try out your reading comprehension skills. Follow the link and it will take you to the J A and Kathryn Albertson Foundation. With their stance on community involvement/education and growth can you honestly rule out a "gift" of the old Paul's building or even sold at a reduced rate?


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Mon, May 2, 2016, at 1:44 PM

Good morning. Seems nothing anyone does, except for the past WECRD board can please Mr. Smith. I agaree, the old buildings might be expensive to fix up but I don't think they'd be as costly as a half million dollar flood plain property. Need someone with engineering and contracting experience on that board. And what difference does it make if the old bus building is out of city limits. It's not a city taxing district.........it's a county taxing district. I'm sure given a chance all the past problems can be solved. Just need to try and work with these new people. You never gave them a chance, just started spreading hate and discontent. Sure, 20 signatures can be dug up easily to start a recall petition, but good luck finding enough voters to actually recall those people. Mr. Smith, have a good day, and take your blood pressure meds.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Mon, May 2, 2016, at 8:04 AM

To the WECRD community;

There is a difference of opinion as to the appointment of a new WECRD director.

Many people believe that the law, as it was written in Idaho Code, meant that a new director should be appointed as soon as possible.

The new directors of the WECRD believe that they are correct in that they will not appoint a new director until October, 2016, as stated by the new directors during the WECRD meeting on April 20, 2016.

So, our community will be without a third director for 10 months.

I suggest this solution; bring this issue before a neutral authority (a local magistrate) to decide what is best for our community.

That's a decision that can be made by someone I respect.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sun, May 1, 2016, at 4:37 PM

The directors of the new WECRD are considering the old school bus building and the Paul's building as options for a recreation building for our community.

As for the school bus building; anybody that considers that building as a good choice has not inspected it or added up the costs to rebuild it. It will need new ground work for plumbing, new bathrooms, new roof, insulation and a new floor. Then, on top of that, it's not even in the city limits. We might as well build a new building.

As for the Paul's building; original construction was in 1961. So it is 55 years old.

The assessed value by Elmore County in 1992 was $902,649. That was 14 years ago so the value has probably gone up since then to well over $1 Million dollars. I am sure that Supervalue - owner of Albertson's - would love to unload the property, but I doubt that they will give it away, afterall they are in business to make money.

The roof leaks so you better plan on putting a new roof on. I will not guess at the cost but the building is 114ft. X 222ft.

If you are familiar with the plumbing in that building, you would know that the bathrooms are upstairs and the system is as old as the building. If you will continue to use those bathrooms and the upstairs area, building code says that you will install an elevator. There are no bathrooms at ground level. So, lets assume that new bathroom facilities will be installed.

In the end, what will our community have? An old building wrapped around a new bathroom.

No thank you.

It sounds to me like the only groups that will benefit from choices like these are real estate and construction companies - not our community.

Come on, new WECRD, start looking past your nose and think about our community's future.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sun, May 1, 2016, at 4:04 PM

I COMMAND you to respond Mr. Smith as you have commanded others. Step you or shut up time.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sat, Apr 30, 2016, at 9:40 PM

No Comment Mr. Smith? You DEMAND and immediate response from others but fail to provide one. Stop asking for a response if you are not going to do the same. Oh wait you are busy feeding that monkey you are raising.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sat, Apr 30, 2016, at 9:39 PM

Hurry and reply Mr. Smith. I am waiting for you to tell me that I am wrong and that your wonderful past board members had the best interest of the community in everything they did. You know like one week say they would not enter into a contract to build a building then 10 days later, 21 days before the election, they signed the very same contract that they promised the taxpayers/voters they would not. Hurry up Mr. Smith, your monkey is very hungry.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sat, Apr 30, 2016, at 4:41 PM

Keep feeding your monkey Mr. Smith, just keep feeding it. Ad correct me if I am wrong, which I am not but you won't agree. Your wonderful past board members did things like raise the tax rate with no public input and decided to bring the YMCA in without public input but they did not tax us without representation, right? Feed that monkey often Mr. Smith.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 5:50 PM

Lawyer Michael Crawford,

As a taxpayer, I command you to itemize the legal services to the new WECRD from January 1, 2016 to April 27, 2016.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Apr 27, 2016, at 11:18 PM

At least we can agree on something?

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Apr 27, 2016, at 9:07 PM

Come on, old guy, comment!

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Apr 27, 2016, at 8:35 PM

Don't tell me that's OK with you, old guy.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Apr 27, 2016, at 7:57 PM

Taxation without representation.

How do you explain it, old guy?

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Apr 27, 2016, at 5:40 PM

Ya, why is that, old guy. I don't get it.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Apr 27, 2016, at 5:37 PM

New WECRD, Taxation without representation!

Somebody, please explain this to me. You can't justify it!

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Apr 27, 2016, at 5:19 PM

I live in a district that is not represented by a director of the new WECRD. Why? That is not OK with me! Is that OK with you?

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Apr 27, 2016, at 4:08 PM

Mr. Smith,

You seem to be the only vocal person that has issues with the WECRD. As for the appointment of the 3rd director and why that has not happened, I gave you my stance on it but my opinion differs from your's and you seem not willing to accept that. That is your monkey to feed not mine. Have fun feeding it.

To be honest, I have not followed the political issues that close. What I have followed is your constant beating of a dead horse and it seems no matter what is explained to you, it is not good enough.

It is because of the past actions of the previous board that the WECRD is where it is today according to what I have read. So the past is very important as it effects the present and the future.

Have fun with any future rants and ravings and keep feeding that monkey.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sun, Apr 17, 2016, at 4:51 PM

ok old guy,

I'm sure you won't be happy with my answer but here it is.

I don't know how directors were chosen by the previous WECRD directors but I had no issues with any of the appointments when they were on the board. I thought they represented themselves in an ethical and moral style.

As to how appointments were made, I guess that it is no better or worse than any organization that appoints their directors.

Specifically, if an individual wanted to be a director, and was making a donation to the WECRD because they thought it was a worthy cause, and they were committed to making our community's future better, then I believe that person would be a fine choice.

At least directors were appointed by past Boards, which is better than not at all by the present Board.

Finally, I am not interested in the Past, except for the original election by voters for a recreation complex. I will only address what is really important,the Present and Future of the new WECRD. I'm sure you will understand.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sun, Apr 17, 2016, at 11:07 AM

Here is another one old guy,

Do you think that it is important for the new WECRD to be able to communicate in a professionally?

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sun, Apr 17, 2016, at 10:12 AM

hey old guy,

Please, I am curious of your thoughts.

I will accept a yes/no answer.

Do you think the new directors have properly performed their duties in regard to appointment of a third director?

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sun, Apr 17, 2016, at 9:59 AM

Mr. Smith,

I gave you my answer and while you may not like nor agree with it, it is my answer. How about you address the selection process used in selecting the last replacement on the previous board. The person selected had been to only one meeting, pledged a huge donation and then poof they became a director. Comments?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sat, Apr 16, 2016, at 8:30 PM

Hey, old guy,

Again, I ask you to comment on my issue of the appointment of a new director and whether or not it is proper that it has been three months with no appointment.

Do you think that issue has been handled properly?

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sat, Apr 16, 2016, at 7:11 PM

The directors of the new WECRD show a complete-and I mean complete-lack of communication skills.

The new directors are in command of over $4 million dollars, yet they will not return phone calls to city officials, engage with their taxpaying constituents, certainly do not listen to them and make decisions in closed-door meetings without public input. They mumble into their microphones at meetings and edit the minutes of those meetings.

I am scared. I am scared that the new directors do not have the skills to manage the recreation district and our community will end up with nothing for our efforts.

We know that Communication (with a capital C) is an essential part of any organization, yet the new directors are unwilling to make an effort.

I am sorry, I will not listen to any debate against my argument. Proper communication skills are a cornerstone of any organization.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sat, Apr 16, 2016, at 7:02 PM

Mr. Smith,

You asked me to address the issue of the length of time it has taken for the appointment and that is not MY issue but YOUR issue. I am not sure what you want me to say other than what I have. You are the one that keeps beating and beating that dead horse.

Then you ask me to pull out my crystal ball and predict the abilities of a yet to be selected person to fill the vacant seat. Again BEATING a deadhorse.

I asked you to put a list together of who you, the expert, would like to see fill the position and you deflect rather than answer. AGAIN BALL IS IN YOUR COURT.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, Apr 15, 2016, at 8:05 PM

When asked, "When will you fill the vacancy for WECRD director", the new directors' answer was "We're working on it". End of explanation.

When someone at a WECRD meeting asked to be considered as a director, the answer from the new directors was "No thanks". End of dialogue.

Do you consider those acceptable answers from a community leader to their constituents?

I know of atleast four people who have asked to be considered as the director. I'll bet there is more that I don't know about.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Fri, Apr 15, 2016, at 4:38 PM

You didn't address it at all, old guy. Will you address it or not.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Fri, Apr 15, 2016, at 4:13 PM

The next scheduled meeting of the new WECRD is next Wednesday, April 20, at 5:30pm. The address is 245 East 6th South.

Will someone please post this information on the facebook site 'Mountain Home-exploring the news'.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Fri, Apr 15, 2016, at 4:11 PM

Mr. Smith,

You have not seen me address the length of time the seat has been empty because I do not see it as the most pressing issue for the current board. I assume they have been busy wading through the mess that was left for them. As for qualifications, I hope they have project and money management skills.

I have addressed your request now the ball is in your court to address mine.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, Apr 15, 2016, at 3:09 PM

So, old guy, I haven't seen you address the fact that the new WECRD has not replaced a director at this point (a full three months without a third director). What is your position about the new WECRD director's ability (or inability) to perform their obligations as leaders of a taxpaying entity? Please be specific to the subject. Thank you.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Fri, Apr 15, 2016, at 3:05 PM


You said and I quote "I wouldn't be able to do the new WECRD justice. I am not qualified to manage more than 4 million taxpayer dollars. I have the passion but not the management skills. So, I will not be a candidate as a director of the new WECRD."

Given that maybe you can provide a list of who you think is qualified? Seems all you want to do is keep rehashing the same subject but not once have you supplied a solution.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Apr 11, 2016, at 7:01 AM


Wow, I never said nor will I say I ever agree with Mr. Smith who sees one side and one side only. Mr. Smith is the one who needs to lay off the WECRD. Despite some of us and even him saying that he misrepresented the code to replace a director, he still goes on and on and on about it. Basically he is beating a dead horse. And if you want to know somethig from the MHSD, go ask yourself. I asked my question of a MHSD board member and am very skeptical of the answer.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sat, Apr 9, 2016, at 10:56 PM

I have decided to address the notion that I should ask to be a new WECRD director.

I wouldn't be able to do the new WECRD justice. I am not qualified to manage more than 4 million taxpayer dollars. I have the passion but not the management skills. So, I will not be a candidate as a director of the new WECRD.

I'm sure that you read the paper. Aren't you more concerned that a third director hasn't been appointed yet, even after three months? People have asked for the appointment.

Why hasn't a new director been appointed?

Again, the new directors haven't broken any laws, they just seem to be morally corrupt.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sat, Apr 9, 2016, at 9:51 PM

The MHSD is going to need the up-coming levy just to make payroll, and has been in this type of financial position for a few years now. But if I read your comment correctly, your saying that the MHSD agrees with Mr. Smith in saying that they have already taxed us for the athletic improvements which were included in their budget and are now able to spend the money elsewhere. In that case, we are being taxed twice for the same improvements. Go ask your School Board member how much money is budgeted to each athletic program at the High School. If it's the same one that had been speaking at the WECRD meetings, I'll bet he can't tell you. Now that Old Guy and his School Board associate are in agreement that Mr. Smith's theory on double taxation have been right all along, maybe they can lay off the guy.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Apr 9, 2016, at 6:31 AM

I spoke to a MHSD board member and if one believes them, any money donated to an athletic program allows them to reduce that programs budgeted amount by the same figure. That money can then be used elsewhere within MHSD.

Again has Mr. Smith or anyone publically let the board know they would like to be considered for the vacant seat? And I am not talking about doing so sarcastically has was presented in a video on social media but in a calm, professional, adult manner. Not like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum when they do not get their way.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sat, Apr 9, 2016, at 5:05 AM


I can see where you consider this double taxation, but I don't believe the School District had or has any intentions of improving East Side park or their own schools athletic facilities within their current budget. At this point I think the Schools are just trying to stay alive. Should it be MHSD responsibility to improve the athletic facilities?? I say yes. Do the have the $$ within their budget?? Probably NO. So I would say that tax dollars collected by MHSD were never intended for such improvements, thus we are not technically being double taxed. In theory though, you do make a good point, and make a strong statement as to why it is soooooo important for the City, County, MHSD, and the WECRD to collaborate and work together.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Apr 7, 2016, at 6:19 PM

Censorship at its finest....lmao

Ever wonder why your page is dead?

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Apr 7, 2016, at 9:44 AM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews:
If allowing vulgarity is alive then I don't need it.

Thanks, B

Mr. Smith,

Where was your outrage when the past board did the same thing and donated money to fix the track at the Jr High. You know the track that the MHSD receives taxes to maintain?

Again, you are and have been on a mission only since maybe some of your cohorts were VOTED out by the public and the third one quit. Maybe time to move on to a new topic.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Apr 6, 2016, at 8:40 PM

As of March 31, 2016 the Total Liabilities and Equities of the WECRD has a balance of $4,704,948.68.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Apr 6, 2016, at 7:07 PM

Well, the new WECRD gives $5,600 to the school district, for improvements to property which may or may not be owned by the State of Idaho.

And on top of that, we have been double-taxed by the new WECRD and the school district - and then- the conflict of interest by the directors since family members are involved with specific sports programs that benefit from the money.

Don't you dare try to justify it.

I heard on the local news today about two golf courses in Nampa that are to be closed down because the State of Idaho, which owns the property, has decided to sell the land to developers.

Does it sound like it is a good idea to throw money into a property that you do not own?

The school district probably doesn't care. It's not their money-or their property.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Apr 6, 2016, at 6:58 PM

I am impressed, Mr. Smith finally read the state code and actually discovered that he had been wrong all these weeks with his rants and raving about a time limit to appoint a new director. That is something I pointed out many weeks ago but what do I know?

Again why don't you throw your name in the hat for the position. Go to a meeting and get it on public record.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sun, Apr 3, 2016, at 8:07 PM

I agree with you Mr. Smith, they should have another board member, they should want to work with the city. They don't want to and they probably won't!! Mr Nelson has already spoke loud and clear on his thoughts about the city elected officials. He wants it his way or the hiway and there is no room for discussion. If you think about it he isnt much different than the last board. Except that he has donated $15,000 to the school football program, because they already raised $27,000........HA a little inflated number there don't ya think??

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Sat, Apr 2, 2016, at 10:46 PM

While not appointing a new director, even after three months, is not breaking the law, it is wrong.

As I read the Idaho Code, the new directors could wait till the next election to appoint a new director, and not be breaking the law.

I expect my leaders to be morally competent as well as legally competent.

I don't think that is too much to ask.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sat, Apr 2, 2016, at 7:46 PM

Two questions for the new directors of the new WECRD.

Calls were made by representatives of the City of Mountain Home, concerning recreation options for our community.

Did you return phone calls?

If you did not return the calls, why not?

Another example of the style of leadership that nobody deserves.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sat, Apr 2, 2016, at 7:33 PM


Twisting facts again. You are correct in that I re-posted something that someone else said. You are correct that at first I did not state I was quoting someone, an oversight on my part that I corrected. I will not ask for you to provide where I called out an elected official on this blog as this is turning into a he said/he said issue. I do not think that is what this blog is for.

Maybe you or Mr. Smith will one day let us know what the answer was to your questions of the WECRD when you actually go to them and ask.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, Apr 1, 2016, at 4:58 AM

Old Guy,

In your post date March 7th time stamped at 5:19 am. you posted calling out Ralph Binion and Mark Anthony both elected Officials that you failed to contact by your own admission in a later post. you also later claimed that you were not the originator of those comments but you did post them and it does call them both out FACT.

-- Posted by werborg on Thu, Mar 31, 2016, at 9:02 PM


Show me where I called out any elected official on this blog or page. You and your buddy, Mr. Smith keep doing that but not me.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Mar 31, 2016, at 8:38 PM

Old Guy,

Thank you for that statement. I have said that before myself. Instead of ranting on here or on other sites contact the officials directly be it city council, WECRD, The Mayor, School Board or any other City Official to get your answers. I am sure that they will be will to meet with you and give you any clarity you may need. Hopefully you will take your own advice as well and contact the officials that you have called out on this site and others to get the answer.

-- Posted by werborg on Thu, Mar 31, 2016, at 8:35 PM


Only way to get your answers is to actually contact the board via email, phone call or in person. Coming on here and ranting is not going to get you an answer.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Mar 31, 2016, at 7:29 PM

Old Guy,

I know being at WORK when they are having meetings talking about funding different pet projects really sucks for us TAXPAYERS considering we would have to take PTO to go. If we were to wait for meeting minutes we might get them by this summer since they still have not updated their site with the minutes from the Feb meetings that would have been approved at the last regular meeting March 16th. But than again I guess if the last group took 6 months to update as you have said before that if they get them up in 3 we have seen some improvement. Maybe one of the other attendees could post what went on at the meeting for us since most of us like you are not able to go to a day time meeting since we have jobs. The one question I would like answered is why are they not discussing the funding of such things as the football Jerseys or the money for softball during a time when the majority of the public might be able to attend a special meeting.

-- Posted by werborg on Thu, Mar 31, 2016, at 8:15 AM


You are not relying on Mr. Smith to provide you a honest view of what went on are you? All of his comments concerning the WECRD have been negative and inaccurate. For example, he presented that a new board member had to b seated within 60 days of the resignation of the past board member. He wrote that this needed to be done according to state statute. However when research was conducted, the is no date requirement as he presented.

I suggest if you want an accurate view of what was discussed that you attend a meeting or wait for the minutes to come out. And no, I did not go to the meeting for reasons I do not wish to get into.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Mar 31, 2016, at 5:03 AM

Hay James,

Any update from the special meeting today.

-- Posted by werborg on Wed, Mar 30, 2016, at 3:54 PM

Mr. Smith,

I have to ask where was your concern when the past board did the same not only with special meetings but regular meetings? Again it seems your personal vandetta only started when your coharts were voted out by the TAXPAYERS. I pulled deep into my memory but you only started all these posts once the election was over.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Tue, Mar 29, 2016, at 10:30 PM

Today's special meeting of the new WECRD was postponed until tomorrow, March 30 @ 12:00. I'm sure that because of the time, most people who would like to attend, won't be able to.

Why can't these meetings be scheduled for a more opportune time for every taxpayer?

I thought that one of the platforms that the new directors ran on was openness at meetings?

I'm not seeing it.

Maybe there will be some progress on appointing a third director-it's only been three months.

Will someone please post the meeting for tomorrow @ 12:00 on the facebook site 'Mountain Home-exploring the news'?

Thank you

-- Posted by James E Smith on Tue, Mar 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM

Mr Smith I hope you have some notes to share with us from the wecrd meeting.

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Tue, Mar 29, 2016, at 1:06 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews:
The meeting was changed to tomorrow 03/30 at noon.

Mr. Smith any update from the meeting.

-- Posted by werborg on Tue, Mar 29, 2016, at 12:51 PM

Thanks for the info Mr Smith. Maybe they will be discussing the addition of another board member as well. I have heard that several people have stepped up wanting to help out the new board. Art seems to resist for some reason. Anyway please let those of us who can not attend know how this mornings meeting went.

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Tue, Mar 29, 2016, at 8:51 AM

A suggestion to the School Board member that likes to try his hand at playing with those in the crazy play ground. Gather your toys, go home, stay out of WECRD issues, and focus on your tasks and issues ahead. Your plate is too full to be "that person" associated with causing or fueling any additional difficulties in the community.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Mar 29, 2016, at 7:09 AM

Mr. Smith,

What PARTYING are you referring to? I believe letters REQUESTING donations for Cinco De Mayo were sent to many local civic organizations. If they approve this, I bet you will have issues but you had no issues when the past board approved paying for steak dinners for themselves and members of the YMCA.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 10:01 PM

A special meeting of the new WECRD has been called for tomorrow, Tuesday, March 29, 2016 @ 10:00.

Topics are;

1. Cinco de Mayo sponsorship

2. Softball funding

3. Approval of minutes

4. Executive session

Somebody please post this on the facebook site 'mountain home exploring the news '.

Come on by and see the new directors in action-making decisions on exercise, fitness and PARTYING!

-- Posted by James E Smith on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 9:04 PM

1. Individual concerns on choices adults make have nothing to do with anyone's children. Keep the children out of your references or go someplace else. You can easily make a point as it has been done without getting personal where children are involved.

2. I do not care who is or is not allowed on another site much less the reason. If you would like to post something of a political nature for debate knowing that others will either agree or disagree please do.

Thank you.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 1:33 PM

LOL.....not hardly Marilyn and Bill :)

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 12:27 PM

I will tell you that I voted to have Mr. Smith removed not due to a difference of opinion as some of you think. I voted to have him removed because he was doing nothing but being an Internet troll and came on the page to cause trouble. He rarely shared any information. As for Mr. Smith holding the board accountable, he seems to expect the current WECRD to correct the actions of the past 15 years by his friends on past board in a matter of days. It seems to me that the current board is trying to do things the right (legal) way and has a huge web to unweave.


Again, and maybe this is hard for you to grasp, if you present something as fact, I say be prepared to prove it with supporting facts. Do not expect someone to go get proof to back up what you are saying Do your own research before you spit out something as fact. I choose not to go to the meetings nor do your research. Last time I checked I have that right unless you know different. In not going, I have tried to stay neutral on the subject but again IF YOU PRESENT IT AS FACT, BE READY TO BACK IT UP WITH PROOF not word of mouth or rely on someone to do your research.

And if the page is such a joke, I beleive you can remove yourself and avoid the page all together.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 11:38 AM

Lifetimehomey Actually the playground is growing. We have more members then we did a couple days ago. Do you suppose your helping grow the group?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 11:27 AM

The group that Voted you Off the site doesn't care about any other opinion than theirs. That same group would complain if you offered them a free steak dinner because it was not chicken. Old Guy wants the proof to be presented and asks over and over even though it is readily available to him if he went to the meeting of the WECRD or knew the president but Old Guy still wants his proof.

To those that kept asking if he applied to fill the open Director position well the current Directors would have to ADVERTISE that they have the opening which they have not as of this morning. Common sense says that they most likely would not entertain him any since he has been vocal about holding them accountable. When the last board was slow rolling everything the group on that page was very vocal but now they say good job keep it up when they are doing the same thing that the last group did. Go figure.

-- Posted by werborg on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 10:12 AM

Thanks for your clarification Old Guy.

That page really is a joke. Who votes someone off for having a different opinion. Child's play I say!!! The playground is getting smaller, pretty soon it will be only a select few who can play nicely after having bullied everyone else off!

Good day:)

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM


When a comment is made and reference is made to things that can be easily proven, I ask for proof. I do not take people at their word unless I know them. If it is expressed as an opinion, I do not ask for it. I have not seen where either Weborg or Mr. Smith have presented their comments as an opinion but as fact. Does that satisfy your curiosity as to why I ask for facts to back up statements and not opinions?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 8:40 AM

Dude Thank you, I agree with you about that page on fb and wanted to say the same thing but couldn't find the right wording.

Old Guy why in the heck do you always play the proof card? It is not necessary to prove an opinion.

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 8:36 AM


I was not afraid of the rants of Mr. Smith on that page. I was appalled at the constant rants with lack of proof even when asked to provide it

Also if you are a member of the page does that not make you an idiot using your logic? Yes I took some offense at your statement.

I do no think Mr. Smith's intent was to get people to look at things in a different view. I believe his intent was to insult and upset people. If he truly wanted to have people look at things differently, he could have done so with true and accurate facts or figures, none of which he provided.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 28, 2016, at 6:42 AM

Mr. Smith,

You have proven time and time again that you were doing nothing on that site but stirring the pot and causing turmoil. Many asked for you to provide proof of what you were spewing out, which you never did. Many asked you to stop of at least become part of the solution not part of the problem but you did neither. Then when the members asked the admin to remove you, they did the democratic thing and put it to vote. It was a landslide to have you removed. Now it seems you cannot or will not grasp that the people spoke during the recent WECRD election and they spoke during the election to remove you. In both cases the people spoke LOUDLY but you are not pleased in either case. We all get that so please move on to another topic or aide in the WECRD. Time to show all us how great you are with the answers to all the problems in the community. Again PUT UP or SHUT UP !!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sun, Mar 27, 2016, at 9:05 PM


Being removed from Face Book Exploring the News is no big deal. A lot worse could happen. It's just a play ground for idiots. I don't really agree with all the statements you posted there, but I'm not afraid of an opinion that differs from mine either. A few of your statements though, have caused me to give thought to a few situations in a different way. I am thinking that was your intent in the first place.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Mar 27, 2016, at 9:04 PM

The administrators of 'Mountain Home-exploring the news-The worst offenders of their own policies.

As proof, refer to comments on all of my past posts on that site.

But that's alright, I'm OK with it if you are.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sun, Mar 27, 2016, at 6:25 PM

James E Smith

CORRECTION: you were removed from "Exploring the News"

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Mar 27, 2016, at 12:12 PM

James E. Smith,

Maybe you can explain why, once you were removed, you requested to come back to the page?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sun, Mar 27, 2016, at 8:48 AM

James E. Smith,

I am a member of that group and will tell you why you were removed. The members were getting tired of seeing your attacks with no facts against the WECRD board. The admin was asked about removing you and they did the democratic thing and let the members vote. It was a landslide to have you removed since all you did was troll and make posts that attacked people with no facts. Many times you were asked to provide facts and all that was heard was crickets with no response from you. Now you know why. And why don't you apply to fill the vacancy on the board? Be a part of the solution not part of the problem.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sun, Mar 27, 2016, at 8:46 AM

Good morning James. I was just wondering if you had put your name in the hat for a chance to sit in the third chair on the WECRD. People know what a poor job the past board did and you have been seriously championing their actions. They're gone, get over it, see what can now be accomplished. If I was as passionate as you, I'd surely be campaigning for that third seat.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Mar 27, 2016, at 8:05 AM

My status on the facebook site, 'Mountain Home-Sharing the News', is that I have been removed as a member.

There has been no explanation, so I will assume that the reason is that my political views of the WECRD clashed with the administrators of that facebook site.

From my perspective, the administrators of that site consider it acceptable to bash the people that they do not like, for example, the previous WECRD directors and recently, City Councilman, Marc Anthony. However, if someone like me offers different criticism, they are silenced.

That is a definition of a hypocrite and suppression of free speech.

Now, while it is morally wrong, there is nothing illegal about what was done. I guess I'm alright with that. This group is just protecting their political organization.

However, I refuse to align myself with this group. I think that when you take the mask off of this group and the new directors of the WECRD, what you get is a politically powerful, but very ugly organization.

It might be fitting to transfer the title of Shifty Fifty to this organization.

This group offers no qualities that would make me proud to be a member.

Thank you for your time.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sat, Mar 26, 2016, at 11:00 AM

Old Guy,

Can't reference the approved minutes from the Regular meeting in Feb or the special meeting in Feb since they still have not uploaded them to the site yet.

The bottom line is they are doing the same thing that the last board did give money to benefit friends, family and personal interests. I still believe that this is why they have not started the process to place a new director. it is so much easier to pass everything with just the 2 members. Really looks like they are trying to just bankrupt the funds and destroy the district from the inside since Judy is on record as still supporting the Stop the Madness campaign to dissolve the district. That fact is in the minutes from the regular meeting in Feb and was in the article in the paper.

-- Posted by werborg on Fri, Mar 25, 2016, at 8:26 PM


I am not going to do research for either you or Mr. Smith. Both of you have said it and again, I ask for the PROOF. Time to put up or move on to another topic.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, Mar 25, 2016, at 7:42 PM

Frankly, I couldn't care any less how many WECRD directors there are. For 15 years there were 3, how has that worked out? I would gladly take two competent maybe even one competent director, over 3 incompetent. If you are so bent out of shape about running the WECRD, quit being an armchair quarterback and run for the Board yourself. It is a lot easier to complain about who isn't doing what than it is to make the decisions on who will be doing what.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Thu, Mar 24, 2016, at 9:47 PM

As always Mr. James E. Smith, do you have concrete proof or are you running your mouth just to hear yourself again?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Mar 24, 2016, at 7:51 PM

The new president of the new WECRD gives taxpayer dollars to the school district to buy girls softball equipment, an organization that his relatives are a part of.

How is that not a conflict of interest, nepotism, favoritism and incompetent?

Again, the taxpayer is being double taxed.

And again, I don't get to enjoy the fruits of my labors.

Thank you, may I have some more , please?

-- Posted by James E Smith on Thu, Mar 24, 2016, at 7:14 PM

James E. Smith,

Thanks for finally providing some kind of proof. Can you explain how that statute equates to 60 days from the day a director resigned as you and Weborg have stated in the past?

Again thanks for the reference.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Mar 24, 2016, at 5:09 AM

Reguarding the open director seat for the new WECRD;

Idaho Code, Chapter 43-31-4305 states;

"Any vacancy occurring in the office of director, other than by expiration of the term of office, shall be filled by appointment by the board for the unexpired term."

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Mar 23, 2016, at 9:33 PM


Again I will ask for your to provide whatever law you believe is being broken by not having a 3rd board member on the WECRD. As for the minutes from a month ago not being posted on the website, do they not have to be approved in a public forum like the next meeting? Then the part=time employee has to upload them which could take time. Also the last board was 3-6 months behind in having minutes posted so a 30 day delay is far better.

Again I ask you to provide the law that you and others keep referring to. If you feel a law is being broken, take it to the Attorney General and see how that works out.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Mar 23, 2016, at 4:55 AM

Well another month, another meeting and still no public advertising to fill the open WECRD director position. If this was the last group everyone would be ready to drive them out of town but those are the ones that now support the slow rolling of the current district. much easier to push your agenda when you have no possible descent from a third person. Than again when you support the disbanding of the district as Judy still does is it really a wonder that the opening is still there. Not really. they still have not posted the minutes from the meetings in Feb on their web site wonder why not. these two are doing the same thing the old group did where is the uproar now oh wait those are the someone's telling them your great and we love what you are doing keep it up.

-- Posted by werborg on Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM

I find it ironic that neither James E. Smith nor weborg have provided any documents or facts to back up previous statements when asked. Seems to me, and this is my opinion, that someone has a personal vendetta and is spewing out garbage to suit that need.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Mar 16, 2016, at 6:00 PM

Thanks Brenda, I was leaning more towards the public sharing information etc, since the political corner was created to keep discussions off the original banter box. It seems quite for an election year!

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Tue, Mar 15, 2016, at 3:11 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews:
I believe or would like to believe that some of it is the old "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all". We shall see. I am not a fan of attacks on digital media. Especially on my sight where commenter's are still allowed to use anonymous user names. From what I have seen me personally the digital sides tend to much more ugly. I have always attended the forums and get great insight to people on both sides of the table. That includes candidates as well as audience. I have staff there covering it as an assignment but I too am a resident of this community and want to be a learned informed voter. I rely on what the candidates put out there via ads in the paper. I can base any questions or concerns from what I gather. I am much more a fan of the direct approach when each side has their own side of the ring and can either defend themselves or stammer. I am looking forward to them this year as well. Have a great evening :)

With the May election for Sheriff coming up, this site sure doesn't have much insight on the candidates. Seems like a great site to share info on besides just the wrecked district!!

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Tue, Mar 15, 2016, at 1:20 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews:
We will cover the political forum scheduled in early April by the Chamber with the open forum atmosphere warranting those attending and campaigning equal coverage in the question and answer phases as we have done in the past with elections and by attending and reporting on meetings. Running for political office is a responsibility of the candidate to inform the public of their platform. We invite any of the candidates to stop by our office and we would be happy to assist them in this endeavor. I also encourage our readers to reach out to the candidates and get your information first hand, attend their personal meet n' greets and watch for the forum information.

Otherwise we would be commenting on our own personal "insight" rather than a "news" event that we can cover. Thank you.

forourkids, you stated "it's not that difficult"

It sure isn't if you agree with him (the board), if you do not agree and a suggestion is made, He will come out kicking and screaming like a child. So I disagree, it is difficult when it comes to opposition. Him and his supporters are down right nasty and its quite an embarrassment to this community. Not much different than the last board if you think about, nasty and unapproachable.

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Mon, Mar 14, 2016, at 9:34 AM

Why are people saying Art is a friend with the football coach? That's inaccurate and the lies need to be stopped. Also, there was no money given to his daughter's softball team and if the WECRD was approached with that proposal Art would take himself out of the equation. Some of you clearly need to go to a meeting prior to the bashings and spreading of lies. When you do go to a meeting try paying attention rather than focus on the negative. You want something done in this community as far as recreation goes why not send a proposal to the board. People complaining just to complain makes no sense! Don't want to address a whole crowd of people then ask to meet with a Director. It's not that difficult.

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sun, Mar 13, 2016, at 11:17 PM

Fact their lawyer stated it at the last meeting and it should be in the meeting minutes.

Response: So again, and by my count for a third time, you stated it is in the open meeting law but you have yet to provide the reference. FACT, all you have done is provide hearsay rather than prove. FACT.

FACT no where in your original post do you say that you are posting this from someone else.

Response: You are correct and I should have said that.

FACT your employment will not cause a conflict of interest. Just because you are a federal employee doesn't mean that you are not allowed to speak to local elected officials.

Response: Since you have no idea who I am and what I do for a living you are making assumptions. My discussion with any elected official could be PERCEIVED as a conflict of interest by someone so therefor I choose not to do so. That way no one can say I made a decision or backed a plan due to a PERCEIVED friendship or acquaintance. You know the very thing some like you and Mr. Smith seem to be upset with a local ELECTED official.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Mar 10, 2016, at 5:07 AM

Old Guy,

Fact their lawyer stated it at the last meeting and it should be in the meeting minutes.

FACT no where in your original post do you say that you are posting this from someone else.

FACT your employment will not cause a conflict of interest. Just because you are a federal employee doesn't mean that you are not allowed to speak to local elected officials.

-- Posted by werborg on Wed, Mar 9, 2016, at 11:31 AM


You might want to look at my post closely. I was quoting another person in most of it.

Again you provide no reference, just word of mouth. I asked for PROOF of what the open meeting law says and instead you give my hearsay. That would not stand up in court.

And I never said my employment was in the local community did I?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 7:59 PM

Old Guy,

Answer: How about show PROOF where this has happened? And did not the previous board constantly donate to the Arts Council which some of them were heavily involved with? But I know of other recreation activities that have asked for money from the board and been told no so it makes one wonder is all.

Answer to your answer: Art is good friends with the Football coach and his daughter plays on the Softball JV team. He is also friends with the school Athletic Director. Since he voted to give money to both of those programs having ties to them that is a conflict of interest.

Please enlighten us on how people are unqualified for their position because they like posts or they ask question at open meeting to make things a matter of public record.

Answer: Not sure what you are talking about.

Answer: You stated in your post that Ralph Binion, you like Mr. Smith's comments on a regular basis which leads me to believe you have ZERO business on the Mountain Home School District Board. Mark Bryant, you too back this fiasco, which makes you unqualified to make sound decisions for the City of Mountain Home.

The question is How does a person liking posts on Facebook make them unqualified to hold an elected position.

Have you directly contacted either of these people to meet with them and discuss issues?

Answer: No as it could be a perceived conflict of interest due to my job so I have avoided it.

Interesting that you hold a position in the community that could cause a conflict of interest for any of the three parties Not entirely sure what job would prevent you from speaking to another private citizen on a matter of public interest.

Now I have a question for you that you have avoided. Please site the source for the Open Meeting Law where it states that a 3 board member has to be appointed within 60 days. You presented it as FACT and have yet to produce the reference despite someone else asking you to do so.

Answer: Their own lawyer stated it at the last board meeting and Art even stated that they might need to have a special meeting to appoint someone with in the time line.

I get it you are happy with the new directors and that the maybe progress is going to happen but people are still very frustrated with this whole situation. Right now people are seeing that they flushed almost a million dollars because of the predecessors but have no plan to go forward. You also bring up a good point that the last board would give money to their pet projects the new board is now doing the samething only adding to the frustration of some that were expecting change and only seeing that the samething the old guard did is happening again. Is it a good thing to fund the school athletics in their fundraising programs yes it is but all people are saying is do it the right way. Let the proposal come and than abstain from the vote since you have an interest in the turnout due to friendship or that you were leading after school practices for the team asking for the money. Right now their should be a pause and everyone take a deep breath on this. They have been in office all of 2 months and they need to figure out what is what, seat a 3 person and develop a plan of action. If things continue the way they are now the community is going to continue to just argue of this.

-- Posted by werborg on Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 7:58 AM

I see comments about blowing WECRD money on football jerseys, etc. again, I don't know what is true and what isn't so I can't speak to that. But if all of our money is still being collected from taxes, and if all of that money is being spent on the individual interests of the Board members, then I can confirm that is the reason why this community will never support the WECRD. In years past, we were told that our money would be used to benefit the community as a whole, but then had to sit by and watch our money benefit a very small portion of the community.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 9:42 PM

Refunding collected taxes back sounds good, but would be impossible to carry out. Some property owners have been taxed for 15 years now, but most were taxed just for a few years here and there as they moved into Mountain Home and then out. The WECRD can't even tell you what they did with money this year that they collected last year, how in the world could anyone decipher how much was collected from which owner and when? I don't have all of the facts or specifics, but I still say you (as a sane and reasonable person) can't point fingers at the new WECRD board saying they threw money away to avoid construction when it was the previous Board(s) that frittered money away by jumping into something so ill prepared. The fact that they had to burn through $XXX,xxx to end the project is unfortunate, but you would be a fool to think we are better off not "wasting" that money to go ahead and spend $4million that we don't have. Some people think it is smarter to step over dollars to pick up nickels? The fact is that money has been collected to benefit the city in some sort of recreational manner. You can't return the money and call it good. But I don't think it is right that you give the WECRD board (old board or new board) full check writing ability to spend it where they see fit either. I don't know what the answer is. Ideally, we need an impartial panel that isn't focused on personal agendas when it comes to making the best decisions for the community as a whole. My comments aren't directed at the new board or old boards, I am just just sharing a view point. For years we have been taxed, and then 2 or 3 people could spend that money freely without answering to anyone which is why everyone has grown to despise the WECRD.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 9:32 PM


Can you explain to us why it is not FAVORITISM or a Conflict of interest to vote to award money that directly benefits your friends and family like the current board has?

Answer: How about show PROOF where this has happened? And did not the previous board constantly donate to the Arts Council which some of them were heavily involved with?

Please enlighten us on how people are unqualified for their position because they like posts or they ask question at open meeting to make things a matter of public record.

Answer: Not sure what you are talking about.

Have you directly contacted either of these people to meet with them and discuss issues?

Answer: No as it could be a perceived conflict of interest due to my job so I have avoided it.

Now I have a question for you that you have avoided. Please site the source for the Open Meeting Law where it states that a 3 board member has to be appointed within 60 days. You presented it as FACT and have yet to produce the reference despite someone else asking you to do so.

This is how a debate goes. If you present something as FACT, you must be prepared to provide a VALID source and not just word of mouth. Something tells me you are still going to avoid answering this question and instead deflect the discussion back to one of my comments. To that, in advance, I say you provide VALID PROOF, and then I will. Time to put up or move on.

As for James E. Smith, he has yet to provide any VALID PROOF of his accusations. To him, I say the same thing that I have all along and in any topic I debate, PROVIDE VALID PROOF or move on to a topic you can.

Have a good day.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 6:59 PM

Old Guy,

Can you explain to us why it is not FAVORITISM or a Conflict of interest to vote to award money that directly benefits your friends and family like the current board has? Please enlighten us on how people are unqualified for their position because they like posts or they ask question at open meeting to make things a matter of public record. Have you directly contacted either of these people to meet with them and discuss issues?

-- Posted by werborg on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 8:37 AM

James E. Smith,

I am thinking you failed or did not do well in debate class. You fail to engage anyone, fail to provide FACTS and all you do is spit out the same garbage in every statement. Try addressing this: "The former WECRD attorney, while "working" for you and I, aka the tax payers, wrote a contract that paid the construction company their profit right out of the gate. No work had to be completed---but they got their profit. We paid that law firm (over the years) over $50k to represent US and keep our best interests at heart. You see how that worked out.

For 2 years, WE paid a person over $2,100 a month to raise funds for the WECRD. In 2 years, all that was ever raised, was $41,000 (supposedly mind you, nobody truly knows). All of those monies have since been "refunded" in what was nothing less than "donor tantrums."

One former director made a donation to the WECRD/Foundation only to take all monies back when she quit the WECRD Board (speaking of paying for a seat and buying your will into a position).

WE paid the Y over $170k to consult (you know, the "experts") on the plans to build a facility that WE did not have the funds for.

WE paid $85,000 for surveys, etc. that the Wecrd never used/followed and just stashed in file cabinet drawers.

WE paid $500,000 for 20 acres of land that was maybe worth 95k that only has, MAYBE 2.5 buildable acres. "Buildable"

being a very loose term mind you because in order to "build" the ground would need at least a million in extra site prep----due to it being in a floodway.

5.5 million in taxes raised and only 100k was EVER reinvested into the community by prior WECRD Boards.

Saved 3.6 million and 21 days before an election, entered into a 4.23 million dollar (PLUS) contract. I say plus, because the change orders were starting to flow so it was not "just" a 4.23 million dollar contract.

The prior WECRD Board encumbered taxes through and beyond 2017 to build THEIR dream. A dream that was sure to bankrupt this project and rob/loot/rape this community for years to come.

The prior Board admitted there was no money to furnish, open or operate the facility until the builder was paid off.

Does this sound like good decision making and responsible leadership? Welcome to the last 15 years in brief review!

Ralph Binion, you like Mr. Smith's comments on a regular basis which leads me to believe you have ZERO business on the Mountain Home School District Board. Mark Bryant, you too back this fiasco, which makes you unqualified to make sound decisions for the City of Mountain Home.

In a time of doing more with much less we need to be fiscally forward thinking and do things for the long term financial health of this community. While a community center would be great---another empty building that does NOTHING for this community is the last thing WE need.

If WE want to draw businesses and people here, we better demonstrate that WE are fiscally responsible withbtax dollars and spending. NOBODY with any sense wants to watch their tax dollars go up in smoke. NOBODY.

Anybody but BINION and BRYANT in the next election cycle. ANYBODY. Vote Waldo!!!

Stop slandering the current WECRD Board and watch progress. Watch forward thinking and smart spending. Watch for projects that will greatly benefit this community. Watch YOUR tax dollars work for the greater good. Did I mention to watch for PROGRESS?"

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 7, 2016, at 5:19 AM

It's disappointing to see that the new WECRD, Mountain Home school district athletic director and football coach have such limited vision (jerseys).

I don't think that it is too much to expect that my leaders be forward thinkers.

Our community han opportunity to act on the future. We need leaders that have visions of the future, not of the present.

If you want to act on the present, you might as well adopt the motto; "Welcome to Mountain Home! Let's Keep Our Small Town Small!"

All you need then, is small-minded leaders with small-minded ideas, like the new WECRD directors.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sun, Mar 6, 2016, at 10:09 AM


It would be great to get 15 years worth of taxes back but that is highly unlikely. First Idaho statute is very specific that the only way monies would go away is if the district were dissolved. If that was to happen, the monies left after bills are paid and assets are sold off, would be transferred to the county but only to be used for recreation. If there was a way to return the taxes to the taxpayer, how would you propose the amount be determined? Would it be fair that someone that only paid them for 3 years receive the same amount as someone that paid them for 15 years? I do like your idea but do not think it is feasible.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, Mar 4, 2016, at 5:14 AM

I get that people have the indifferences regarding the whole WECRD/YMCA issue. My only thing is this. If the commission is not going to move forward with this project (since they canceled it), then why not give the tax payers their money back? I am sure that we (the tax payers) can use that money for important things in our lives. We as a community have been asked to give every year for something...I think it is time for the city to give back to us. Give us our money back...You overpaid for land and you have done nothing concerning this project...I am not talking about the current board members, but the past ones. Yes it might be unfair to get on them regarding this, but when is enough going to be enough.

-- Posted by robinhood1 on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM

What I would like to know from the new WERCD is why have you not posted for the new director yet? by Open Meeting Law you are required to fill that position within 60 day of the resignation of a board member that time is almost up. Second I would like to know if Art voted for the donation to the High School Football team since he is friends with the coach and will he be voting on a potential donation to the High School Softball team since his daughter plays on the JV team and he has been real active with the off season practices. To me these two instances scream of FAVORITISM for his friends and family. If he were to recuse himself from voting on those than the district wont have the required quorum since they no longer have at least 2 thirds of the directors available to vote on the issue.

-- Posted by werborg on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 9:10 AM

Grand Total $943,553.46

James E. Smith. Can you tell us where all the millions are that they have received since this money pit was voted in years ago by many non-property owners.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Thu, Mar 3, 2016, at 8:29 AM

James E. Smith,

I have seen you spit out the same thing on Facebook but when asked for proof to back up any of your allegations, you suddenly are at a loss for words. How about provide some facts or move on?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 9:01 PM

Don't forget to attend the next scheduled meeting of the WECRD on Wednesday, March 16, at 5:30pm.

And ask questions like;

What are you doing with my money? And;

What qualifications do you have to manage millions of taxpayer dollars?

And more!

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 7:52 PM

Before the election, Michael Crawford advised the challengers for WECRD directors.

And now, I wonder, who does he represent-the WECRD? Or does he still represent the new directors of the WECRD?

Is that ethical? Or just a conflict of interest?

-- Posted by James E Smith on Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 6:56 PM

James E. Smith, so its the new boards fault that the district lost this money? Hardly, when the previous members had a contract written in such a way the only way money would not be "wasted" was to go forward with a project that should never had been contracted in the first place. When you have an owner of a local construction company state that the contract never should have been written so the contractor receives a 100% profit margin whether the project is completed or canceled is just sickening!! I'm just wondering why more people in the tax district aren't questioning this!!

-- Posted by Dan Eilers on Tue, Mar 1, 2016, at 12:56 PM

Jim......your sooo passionate about this. WECRD might get on the right track with some new insight. I thnk if that ship had never been launched, this shipwreck would never had happened. Three people trying to have their names emshrined for a project that probably would not have been successful to begin with. Sad things had to end this way but people who know building, financing etc. without fattening their own pockets might have prevented this outcome.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Mon, Feb 29, 2016, at 8:21 AM

With the stroke of a pen, by the new WECRD directors, These are costs that will not be recovered;

Bionomics $8,168.25

Surveying 3,900.00

Architects 265,634.24

Building permit 57,055.74

Legal notices 690.19

Construction 257,534.00

MTI 1.331.04

TOTAL $594,313.04

Cancellation of the contract

cost is a minimum of


Grand Total $943,553.46

That is the amount of taxpayer dollars that the new directors of the WECRD have lost , SO FAR.

Money is pretty easy to write off when it isn't yours, isn't it?

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 12:38 PM

I don't even get to wear the jersey.

I get to look at the jersey.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Thu, Feb 25, 2016, at 9:54 PM

Taxed by the WECRD for jerseys.

Taxed by the school district for jerseys.

Taxed when I go to the game for jerseys.

I think I am being triple taxed!

-- Posted by James E Smith on Thu, Feb 25, 2016, at 9:52 PM

The new directors of the WECRD authorized $15,000 dollars for high school football jerseys, yesterday at 10:00am.

Wait a minute, I've just been double taxed! How about you?

-- Posted by James E Smith on Thu, Feb 25, 2016, at 9:29 AM

Can't decide if the school district should pay for football uniform or the county taxpayers. I'm not sure uniforms are recreation. C'mon, lets quit trying to grab funds from the county rec district. That's not what it's all about. Give the new board a chance to get started. It's going to be a little tough to recover from the mess made by the previos board and their expert legal advise.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Feb 24, 2016, at 12:15 PM

This is a quiz

Previous board paid for a Track at which school?

Correct answer is?

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Wed, Feb 24, 2016, at 10:53 AM

The beginnings of a family reunion....lol

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Feb 24, 2016, at 7:28 AM

$15,000 on high school football jerseys, really?

-- Posted by yoB on Tue, Feb 23, 2016, at 9:48 PM

A special meeting of the WECRD is planned for tomorrow, February 24 at 10:00am at 255 East 6th South to discuss 1. Amending the budget and 2. buying new jerseys for the high school football team. Come on bye and see what's new.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Tue, Feb 23, 2016, at 8:46 PM

Mr. Smith,

Ask them if the actions of the previous board, knowing that if the election was lost that the new board members were going in a different direction with the construction of this particular YMCA building, would be considered financially responsible. You are absolutely correct in saying the board acted irresponsibly, but you are placing blame on the wrong board. Shame on the previous board, and shame on their attorney for engineering the idea to begin with.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 6:13 PM

Incompetent directors of a multi-million dollar taxing district

Hey, you don't have to take my word for it. For all of us who have contacts with our bankers and investment councelors, ask them, if cancelling a contract that results in costing one million taxpayer dollars, was a fiscally responsible choice. Or, maybe ask them if it was an irresponsible choice.

It will be a challenge not to comment or read the comments on this post, without first, thinking for yourself.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Sun, Feb 21, 2016, at 1:06 PM

James E. Smith,

You might be about the only one talking about a petition to recall the new WECRD board. You have been on a few FB pages spouting unsupported claims that the current board is responsible for the loss of about a million dollars but others provided emails where the outgoing board gloated about how they would sign a contract that the new board could not get out of. That effort even had the support of their lawyer. So nice of the good, outstanding, concerned past board members and their minions. I think you are one of those minions as you have yet to provide facts.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 5:32 PM

It saddens me that an attorney that has become a partner in one of the oldest and most respected law offices in Mountain Home had advised the previous WECRD Board to enter into a contract to construct an over budget building just days prior to an election that could and most likely change the leadership of that board. It deeply saddens me that he did this knowing that the other candidates opposed the construction and costs related to that particular building project. It very deeply saddens me that he wrote the contract in a manner, that he believed, would bind the new board to this contract in the event of a change in leadership, and advised the old board as such. The costly buy-outs of this contract were written in by our own people in an attempt to safe-guard their own personal agenda. How Sad.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Feb 11, 2016, at 7:52 AM

Where is the petition to recall the new WECRD directors? I would like to sign it.

-- Posted by James E Smith on Tue, Feb 9, 2016, at 5:20 PM

Surly that post was written before illegal border jumping and refusal to assimilate became popular. The immigrants mentioned in that post came here legally and assimilated doing great things in this country. I haven't read anywhere how they bombed any foot races, became offended by any religion or insisted Americans change their lifestyles in order for them to be comfortable living here. Yup, must have been waaaay before any of that.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Jan 27, 2016, at 7:25 AM

Does anyone remember when the forum was alive and happy? Or when the clown below spewed liberal drivel all over?

The Republican Party?; the Party who falsely and laughably wants to be known as the Freedom and Rights Party?

Don't be mislead; the Republicans don't want people to be free nor do they want people to have any rights unless; unless the people happen to be their old, rich, conservative, gun toting, deity proselytizing supporters.

Do your own research people; this country was built upon immigrants, many who couldn't speak english or have a penny to their name. Now the Party of anger, rage and hopelessness wants your support in their hate campaign. Support the Democrat Party as we continue to improve this great nation of ours. Let freedom ring for all.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Sep 15, 2014, at 8:44 AM

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Jan 26, 2016, at 3:12 PM

I say people have moved on to where there is more topics to choose from and more people to insult

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Mon, Jan 25, 2016, at 11:57 AM


Best thing I have ever read on here. The part about the stop sign still has me rolling. That would be funny even if I was a flagger. You are on point about someone with a conservative point of view being booted quickly. Maybe that has changed no that no one really posts on the forum anymore.

Roy is probably going to FLAG your post and mine.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Jan 25, 2016, at 11:09 AM

Looks like the ole gag from Canyon county couldn't stand the peace and quiet. Nothing significant to say just start belittling someone. And he says coolbreeze and Mike were bad.......

-- Posted by goatbeard on Fri, Jan 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM

Roy again you demonstrate your ignorance and arrogance by claiming others have been removed for violating these "rules" followed immediately by your making rude insulting comments towards another poster. The point always right made is understood by anyone with half a brain. Libtards such as yourself make insulting snide comments towards conservative posters and your behavior is allowed and encouraged by those who make those rules you speak of, yet when someone who demonstrates an obviously more conservative point of view insults or belittles posters like YOU .... Well poof suddenly the "rules" you speak of are applied again and that conservative poster is banned ... What is even more amazing is that you are so ignorant that you do not understand it yourself.

For instance many who read these comments can recall the tantrums you threw when called out on your so called "career" as a "flag waver" for road construction crews. A job normally reserved for high school dropouts or college kids trying to make a few bucks to help cover tuition. The immature comments you were throwing out then were priceless as you attempted to justify to any who would listen how you felt you deserved more pay and respect.... STILL MAKES ME LAUGH thinking about it! LOL LOL LOL What kind of training was involved in that "career"? one side of the octagonal shaped sign was red and said STOP the other side was yellow and said SLOW did you have to pass a spelling test???

Don't go away mad, just GO AWAY!!!! Have you already been booted from every online blog site related to CALDWELL? which is where you LIVE, correct???

-- Posted by lawyersareleeches on Thu, Jan 21, 2016, at 6:59 PM

Lord knows the right hates rules which is why coolbreeze and Mike got kicked out. As for you always wrong, I can't in good conscience engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Jan 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM

I can't dispute what you're putting down Plath Fan. Both are DOA. Maybe it's the iron fist in which they are rules. Or maybe the left just hopes everything will go away.

-- Posted by always right on Thu, Jan 21, 2016, at 11:31 AM

How is the political forum dying out any faster than the main page's "banter box?" The banter box hasn't had a comment from anyone who isn't on the Mountain Home News' payroll in over a month.

-- Posted by Plath fan on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 8:06 PM

ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Without an intelligent source on the right, such as myself, commenting on the forum, the left can't keep it going. Kinda like our country with Curious George at the helm.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 10:49 AM

Keep fishin hit and runner.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Jan 15, 2016, at 5:43 PM

Fishin here! Tryin to catch a big sucker. How about the two guys running for president on the left. Hillary and bumbling stumbling sanders.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Jan 11, 2016, at 2:00 PM

I'm wondering why the Political forum hasn't shown up on the obituary page

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Jan 11, 2016, at 10:17 AM

In case you all knowing political experts missed it, a local governing body once again is playing games and changing meeting dates/times at a whim with no notice to the public. Add in that they hold these meetings at a time when most of the public is at work and one can see why many of the general public do not make the meetings. Want to take a stab at the name of governing body?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Tue, Dec 15, 2015, at 4:59 AM

Same old same old by MrMister.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Mon, Dec 7, 2015, at 7:10 AM

IT'S groundhog day, that's all. Over and over and over again.

-- Posted by MrMister on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 6:24 PM

It MUST be RErun SEASON......or Déjà vu.

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 11:32 AM

See Old guy's comment from Nov 25th @1036 PM. Try and focus on the Roy part.

-- Posted by MrMister on Sun, Nov 29, 2015, at 9:44 PM

Christian terrorist attack in Colorado Springs. Where next? Time to put them on some sort of list?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Nov 28, 2015, at 10:47 AM

My previous post was deleted. I no longer have Sharing the News Group on FB. See if this stays or gets deleted. lol!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Nov 26, 2015, at 10:34 AM

old guy,I don't have all the answers. In fact I will be the first to admit that fact. I do however have different answers to some questions that rub some the wrong way. I do my best to not mount personal attacks as long as I am not personally attacked. I have never declined an invitation to polite adult discussion on any topic.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Nov 26, 2015, at 6:48 AM

people like Roy and Joe are the reason I stopped posting on a subject on this forum. They have all the answers for everything.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Nov 25, 2015, at 10:36 PM

Please don't bring your arguing to sharing the news. I have had enough of everyone in the attack mode leaving ugly comments.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Nov 19, 2015, at 11:00 AM

Please quit addressing each other on this forum. It has nothing to do with having civil discussions on political issues here and around the world whether you agree or not. Take your personal battles elsewhere. Thank you.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 8:29 AM

well joe, whoever you are, I asked Ms.M to delete several of my post for my own reasons. Try attacking me on FB. Be a MAN! You and a small group of members of Ms.M's group are basically haters of anyone with a different political point of view.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 8:12 AM

Roy, I have to say you are "winning" friends there as you have here...lol Most if not all of the post you originated have been deleted.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 7:31 AM

blueocean, don't hold your breath. The likes of him engage in hit and run tactics.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 1:17 PM

Dude, do you ever shop online??

-- Posted by blueocean on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 6:11 AM

I do shop in Ontario as it is the nearest place for stores such as Home Depot, Walmart, Walgreens. I don't do it with the sole intent to avoid taxes. If you ever actually went to Ontario, you would see as many Idaho plates as plates from Oregon at many stores, so why don't you accuse all the residents of Payette County of tax avoidance, or better yet figure out how to get us better shopping opportunities on this side of the border?Do you shop strictly in Mountain Home or do you shop in Boise for certain items? Are you saying that I don't have the right to shop around for the best possible price for an item? I have an even better idea, why don't you pose these questions on Ms.M's facebook page? Could it be you don't like the lack of anonymity?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 5:41 AM


Do you drive over from Payette to Ontario to shop as to avoid the Idaho sales tax?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Nov 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM

Happy Veteran's Day! Thank you to all of the vets who have served and continue to serve. Your sacrifice is greatly appreciated. I hope you all have a fabulous day!

-- Posted by yoB on Wed, Nov 11, 2015, at 8:06 AM

So tell me MrMister, which post is your response to? Our veterans, or a US company that sold us out to the Russians for a few extra bucks to their bottom line?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Nov 10, 2015, at 9:43 AM


-- Posted by MrMister on Mon, Nov 9, 2015, at 6:05 PM

OK, someone remind me how great the private sector is.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Nov 5, 2015, at 2:49 PM


Scroll down to video posted October 29 at 4:14pm.

I can not fathom the lack of care and concern regarding this issue by both the military and civilians! It makes me sick to my stomach when I hear about situations like this, when cities and states refuse to do a damn thing about our homeless vets, many of who are suffering mentally. During Viet Nam they were called the walking wounded. I had a good friend who was one of them. He lived with us for quite a while. Nightmares and self medicating. I lost track of him, but I am fairly sure that things didn't end well for him. I resent those that sent these folks into harms way and then absolved themselves of any responsibility for caring for them when they came home. There should be VA funded mental health services in every town no matter how small they are! To those who say we can't afford it, my question is how the hell can we afford 1.4 TRILLION dollars for a plane that still isn't flying? Corporate profits over lives? My son is a vet. My mother was a vet. My uncle died in service to his country, so I have SKIN in this game! It's time to stop playing nice and get down and dirty in the trenches sticking it to the politicians. Start publicly shaming them every chance you get! This transcends political parties or ideologies!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Nov 5, 2015, at 2:03 PM

The people have spoken. WECRD is under new leadership. I'm also quite sure that if the petition work hadn't gotten bolluxed up the WECRD would be gone come November. I as well as others would have welcomed a pool........even if he other meeting halls had to be foregone. It was never my intention to vote for a five million dollar basketball court with meeting rooms on the side. Will this district come up for a vote in May? IF it does will it be dissolved? IF it's dissolved what becomes of this big building? I hope this can work out but I have serious doubts.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Nov 4, 2015, at 7:44 AM

What amazes me is that only about 10% of the total number of the members of the House are getting away with running the show. Most of this is due to the Hasert rule, and no one in the Republican party seems to have the guts to throw this rule out. They want to rule, not govern. Of course the Democrats are guilty of the same behavior, just that they don't have a rule with someones name on it, it's just the philosophy of the old guard.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Oct 25, 2015, at 6:10 AM

I think that they will wipe the smile off Ryan's face. Of course he could pull it off, but I doubt it. I think that the Republican Party will go down from extreme-itis. It's a disease.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Oct 24, 2015, at 5:43 PM

No telling Sam. Between now and the end of Dec. they may seriously implode. Should be fun watching Paul Ryan deal with the HFC.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Oct 24, 2015, at 3:15 PM

It appears that the almost 11 hour Benghazi hearing with Hillary Clinton in the hot seat backfired on her Republican opposition. They looked like buffoons and she stayed cool and presidential the whole time. I think that the Benghazi committee should have its name changed to the "Hillary Clinton Campaign Marketing Committee".

When will the Republicans stop shooting themselves in the foot just to get attention? I am sick of the millions of dollars of taxpayer money that this is costing us.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Oct 24, 2015, at 12:34 PM

I see Mike is at it again, arguing for an action that is and has been illegal for many years. So much for his "respect" for the Constitution!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Oct 22, 2015, at 6:56 AM

If anyone would ever like to have an adult conversation regarding social justice and the four words "Promote the general welfare", be warned that all of my arguments will be based on the information in the following article.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Oct 18, 2015, at 1:46 PM

Honest days hard labor, well if you break it down, it's not hard to define. Honest, marked by integrity, days, a work day, hard, physically demanding, labor, work. If you disagree with any of this let me know.

Legalized theft, when due to economic and or political clout, having special tax laws written that enable a group of people or companies to legally pay far less than ordinary the average taxpayer, thereby increasing the tax burden of said average taxpayer. Example, http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/12/this-is-h....

Now if you don't have any sense of social justice and believe in every man for himself, then any further discussion is useless. If you are a believer in the starve the beast concept of taxation and are willing to live with consequences, then again any further discussion is useless.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Oct 18, 2015, at 12:36 PM


Define "legalized theft"--not your opinion of it,

but a bona-fide definition. Define an "honest day's hard labor"--not your opinion of it, but a bona-fide definition.

Truthfully, you cant: It's a matter of perception. You say you have no beef with success, yet you demonize some of those whom are the most successful.

Regardless of how they got where they are, they continue to have what they have because they continue to work at it. Not one of those you mentioned has just lain down and lived off what they have (or have been given)--They continually "labor" for the end result.

"legalized theft and hard labor" definitions are left to the eye of the beholder as far as interpretations go. Unless you've piggy-backed those you accuse, you have no basis on which to judge.

Regarding my last post, no names called from this end and my discussion, while abbreviated, was meaningful. And Roy, only a coward calls someone a coward.

-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Oct 16, 2015, at 10:50 PM

I don't disagree, Roy. It is the Tea Party element that refuses to compromise and are so right wing radical in their ideas that they can't even get close to getting anything done. Not being able to elect a Speaker of the House is ineptitude and this one they can't blame on the Democrats.

Still, like you, I don't want them to self destruct. That is, until they had something to replace them. Maybe the "Moderates" a party of former Democrats and Republicans that just want to make forward progress. I can only hope.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Oct 10, 2015, at 9:35 AM

Well Sam, the emotional part of me wants to let the Republican party self destruct and let the Democrats take back the house in 2016, but the intellectual side puts country over over ideology. The best solution would be a solid coalition between the moderates of both parties to govern rather than ruling, rather than the old system of the majority party ruling.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Oct 10, 2015, at 7:11 AM

always right your post doesn't make any sense. Thanks for your comment Roy. Roy, what do you think about the inability of the Republicans in the House of Representatives to elect a Speaker of the House. They are so divided that they can't seem to come up with enough votes.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Oct 10, 2015, at 12:06 AM

Mountain Home thanks Trump for bumping Sam from the political forum. Unfortunetly the Pope brought him back

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Oct 9, 2015, at 9:15 AM

Gmoney give me a call 590 3824 so we can talk about Idaho water rights. Thanks for coming Monday night.

-- Posted by anderson city council on Thu, Oct 8, 2015, at 2:24 PM

I was at the forum Monday night and the only comment I was surprised at was councilman Anderson's comment about water use. If a business needed water he would take it from somewhere else. In the city all we have are business and residential users, so does he mean cut residential use for business?

Additionally the nitrate levels in our water is already rising according to the last testing information mailed out by the water dept so I hope we are very selective in businesses we bring into our city.

-- Posted by gmoney on Tue, Oct 6, 2015, at 11:54 PM

Nice set of posts.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Oct 6, 2015, at 6:07 PM

A tongue in cheek story on the Pope's visit, in regards to the big "I am", Donald Trump. Thanks to Andy Borowitz from "The New Yorker".

September 24, 2015

Nation Thanks Pope for Briefly Bumping Trump from News

By Andy Borowitz

NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)--As Pope Francis makes his historic first visit to the United States, millions of Americans are turning out to thank the Pontiff for temporarily displacing Donald Trump from the news.

As the Pope visits Washington, New York, and Philadelphia, people from every walk of life are expressing profound gratitude that the news media is offering non-stop coverage of Francis's every move instead of Trump's, if only for five days.

Carol Foyler, of New York, said that the Pope's visit would wreak havoc with traffic in Manhattan this week, but added, "I would put up with that all year long if it meant seeing less of that [expletive] Trump's face."

Even Americans who would not normally be expected to take an interest in the Pope's visit, like agnostics and atheists, are wildly enthusiastic about the role Francis has played in momentarily ousting Trump from the headlines.

"I have never believed in God and I never will," said Harland Dorrinson, who is a Philadelphia-based atheist. "Still, a miracle like a week without Trump kind of makes you think."

Avram Heselstein, an Orthodox Jew, said he will join thousands of New Yorkers in Central Park, on Friday, to pay homage to the Pope. "This isn't about being Jewish or Catholic," he said. "This is about a man who just did something wonderful for everybody."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Oct 6, 2015, at 6:02 PM

Did anybody see the Hillary Clinton impersonation of Donald Trump on Saturday Night Live? That was great!

Donald Trump is getting support from extreme right wing people who want an easy answer, not an honest or feasible answer but a quick phrase that they can remember easily. They don't want to get bogged down in facts. He also wants to help the rich, meaning him too, get richer and the middle class get poorer. The good news is that he doesn't stand a chance of being president.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Oct 6, 2015, at 5:50 PM

Excellent turn out last night at political forum for mayor and city council. Gave citizens the opportunity to stand up and ask real off the cuff questions and get unrehearsed answers from candidates. I believe informed voters are important to our community. Do your homework. I am glad those that attended did.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Tue, Oct 6, 2015, at 9:27 AM


Your last post implies you are no different than who you are accusing. If nothing else you are humorous.........

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Mon, Oct 5, 2015, at 11:28 AM

No beef with success, just legalized theft by the super rich at the expense of the rest of us. If you honestly believe the likes of the Trumps, Kochs, Romneys etc. have ever put in an honest days hard labor, I have a bridge to sell you!

I expected the exact type of reply from you Mr.Mister. Name calling and no meaningful discussion. I have issued a challenge for adult discussion of issues and you haven't had the guts to take me up! That makes you a coward in my book!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Mon, Oct 5, 2015, at 6:39 AM

And many people believe unfortunate circumstances/life behavior are a direct cause of poverty.

In reality, lack of effort/drive in early years forces some to accept a lifestyle less than optimum when considering income.

Many "rich" people DO work hard and DO deserve their wealth.

What's your beef with success?


Roy In. Caldwell

-- Posted by MrMister on Sun, Oct 4, 2015, at 9:44 PM

Many believe that poor people deserve to be poor because they're lazy.

In reality, a large and growing share of the nations poor work full time, sometimes 60 or more hours a week, yet still don't earn enough to lift themselves and their families out of poverty.

It's also commonly believed, that the rich deserve their wealth because they work harder than others.

In reality, a large and growing portion of the super-rich has never broken a sweat!


Robert B. Reich

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Oct 4, 2015, at 12:53 PM

This WECRD Board in absolutely beyond believable.

When the whole deal started, they had us believe we were voting for an indoor pool. I voted NO because I knew it was financially unattainable, or sustainable. Now there signs indicate the election is for a YMCA. Look at their financials. This is also financially unattainable or sustainable. How low and deceitful can one group of people get. This election is to select a board for the WECRD. YES WECRD, and the current board has failed miserably. Signs scattered through town in Spanish? REALLY!!!! Not good enough to join you on Sundays, but just good enough to be patronized for your own foolish, deceitful needs. The largest Con Game in Elmore Country history is now underway. This deal must be stopped. Amazing at who all is involved in this mess.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Sep 30, 2015, at 1:24 PM

The politicians are busy putting up the ugly signs again. The ones that I don't like are the WECRD directors solicitation for votes. Bringing you your YMCA! I don't ever remember voting for a YMCA and I doubt anyone else did either. This scam has exploded. If they proceed with this disaster and the WERCD is disbanded what will happen to that expenditure. This is not a good situation.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Mon, Sep 28, 2015, at 8:47 AM

Green pipe, sewer, is never placed proximate to blue pipe, water, due to contamination concerns. They are also seldom laid at the same time since sewer pipe needs to be laid at a specific grade so it will drain properly.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Sep 25, 2015, at 6:19 AM

That' exactly what I mean. They've gotten other County Offices involved in their mess, and they've gotten the City of Mountain Home involved in their deceit. I saw green pipe going in the trench along E 6th S and S 18 E, but I didn't see if any blue pipe was going in. There was a small article in the paper with no explanation.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 12:11 PM

Dude, I don't think they did it on their own. I firmly believe an alliance in the county offices exist.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 9:37 AM

Hard to believe it, but three women operating out of their bubble they call the WECRD, have single handedly corrupted the entire political process of Mountain Home.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 9:29 AM


You obviously don't know how to read, there was no comparison involving "forourkids" it was an example of misinformation fed to the public by a gov office. You apparently like things done in the shadows and like to mis-direct the intent of comments. I believe in transparency in all issues that impact us local taxpayers. The shadows is where the "shifty fifty" like to operate.

-- Posted by gmoney on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 4:25 PM


Don't compare yourself to "forourkids". She took on a monumental task and has followed through with it. AFTER researching and talking to appropriate personnel, she smelled something fishy and determined the best course of action was to engage the public and drum up support for her cause.

You, on the other hand, piss and moan about every little thing that doesn't suit your fancy. You throw little snippets out there in the hopes that someone will bite and you can bask in your glory as the "source" that cracked the case. It's almost like you're jealous that you can't be the one who sparked a great debate.

Lastly, I've told you before that I am in no way associated with the city, nor the county; I just don't like pot-stirrers. Quit with your veiled accusations.

-- Posted by MrMister on Sat, Sep 19, 2015, at 3:28 PM

Mr mister

I think this forum is appropriate for questions and that the audience is well informed and for the most part, have no hand in the pie.

Just as FOROURKIDS found out, the answers from the local Government workers are not always accurate/honest.

Only those with something to hide don't want questions out in the public domain. Are you in this category?

-- Posted by gmoney on Sat, Sep 19, 2015, at 10:02 AM

Well dude, looks like I struck a nerve. Would you or anyone else care to have an adult conversation regarding our culpability as far as the attacks against this country, or is that someplace you're afraid to go?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:59 PM


NEVER claimed to have any answers to any of your questions--simply tried to point you in the right direction. You coming on here begging for answers from uninformed people (no offense to informed folks in the know that answer) starts brewing rumor mills. Go to the source.

But, you already knew that.

-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 6:41 PM

Mr Mister

You have all the answers to my Questions, try this one:

why does a private corporation have an address of a building rented by the WECRD with our taxes?



MOUNTAIN HOME, ID 83647 3552

Betty Ashcraft/Mollie Marsh


Do they funnel donations thru this foundation?

-- Posted by gmoney on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 6:31 PM


Quit while your only a few miles behind. The best thing to do when you find yourself in a hole, is quit digging. Would you be interested in a vacant YMCA building in Mountain Home in say about 1-2 years?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:56 PM

Mr., never tried to trivialize 9/11. In case you've never noticed, around this time there are those out there on the right that renew their calls for starting some kind of war against the Muslims and using 9/11 to justify those calls. This year it's attack Iran. 9/11 was used by Bush to justify his war in Iraq who had zero to do with the attack. All but 1 attacker was Saudi, where was the call for war against the Saudi's? There was none. Why?

9/11 should be remembered for the horror of that day, but it should also facilitate a conversation as to why it happened. What were the actions of the US in the middle east for many years prior to 2001? Is it possible that our arrogance and interference in their internal affairs could have had any bearing for the actions of those Saudi's?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 3:10 PM

Was gonna correct *they'really, but I kinda like it.

-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:46 AM


Didn't do anything. In an obvious attempt to start arguments in this blog, roy trivialized a national day of tragedy, exploiting it to fit his argumentative agenda. I simply called it for what it was. He didn't like the truth.


Ask. The. City. They'really probably the best qualified to answer your question about the pipes. But, you already knew that.

-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:44 AM

Here is more to the WECRD and Y joke. They are offering a basketball program at about $60 per child and yet have no idea where the practices or games will be held. It has been reported that Parks N Rec gave up running a great program that many could afford at roughly $20 just to give the Y something to ruin errr I mean run. What a great decision that was by someone in a city office.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Sep 16, 2015, at 8:35 PM

It looks like the city/taxpayer are laying pipe along 18th street. Is this in prep for the new "Y"?

-- Posted by gmoney on Wed, Sep 16, 2015, at 10:48 AM

Roy doesn't respond to children who engage in name calling.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Sep 15, 2015, at 5:23 PM


What did you do to Roy?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Sep 15, 2015, at 3:39 PM

Roy, you're nothing more than an attention hungry little baby; get a life.

-- Posted by MrMister on Sat, Sep 12, 2015, at 9:15 AM

Sept.11, let the fear mongering and saber rattling begin anew.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Sep 11, 2015, at 9:41 AM

I find it interesting just how corrupt a tiny little town can be for years on end, powers that be continue to make up the rules and regulations as they go along. Have you ever tried to get anything changed here? Ever try to find out just exactly what a particular code or ordinance means? What you get is transferred from one person to another or different people who are supposed to be schooled on these subjects giving completely different explanations and then pointing the finger at the person trying to do what is correct, blaming them for doing it wrong, I have yet to meet with one person in a postion of power that has admitted to making a mistake.

I have had the pleasure of dealing with many city and county employees over the last few years, either hired or elected to their positions and many of those I have dealt with have shown themselves to be sadly untrained for their positions, even those who have held them for years. I believe many do give misinformation to purposely lead a person in the wrong direction, I believe that some give incorrect information simply because they don't know the correct information or they just don't care enough to find out.

I have met with the county commissioners, they were a complete waste of my time. I have met with the mayor, he was very polite, very accommodating but he has yet to follow through on anything he has promised. I have met with the chief of police and he lied right to my face, I will not even comment on my opinion of the sheriff and his lackey. This once peaceful little town has been run into the ground by its government officials, those in charge of city and county offices and others who believe they have the right to interpret the laws, codes and ordinances to fit their own agenda.

This paper is extremely prejudice of my opinion, not sure how long this will be allowed to remain.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Sun, Sep 6, 2015, at 1:38 AM


There is many reasons why not me :)

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Sep 5, 2015, at 10:55 AM

Why not you MsM.?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Sep 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM

Two seats are coming open for WECRD Anyone interested in replacing Rachelle & Jana?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Sep 4, 2015, at 11:23 AM

WECRD......all action on this project should be stopped until after a new election can be held. You know it's going to happen. 15 years ago people voted for an indoor pool dream, now it's been diminished to a volleyball court, meeting rooms and a bunch of storage space. True, if this taxing entity is voted out, will we have just another empty building in town? Yes, the commissioners really need to work on this. Too many if's and's or buts. Looks like they want to break ground in October, money or not to beat any election that may be in the future. As I said, all action on this project should be held in abeyance until after the May elections.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Fri, Sep 4, 2015, at 8:55 AM

If KTVB is going to send a crew to Mountain Home to report on the WECRD, they can at least get it right. The WECRD does not have the funds needed to start construction, but KTVB states they do. Exactly what is the City of Mountain Home's involvement in this project? Is the City trying to get a little piece of the pie and do some of the site work for this project? What about the WECRD Board elections coming up in November? Any qualified candidates? What if WECRD makes it to the ballot in May? How's the building going to sustain itself with no tax dollars? What if the new board sends the YMCA packing? If KTVB can't get it right, these might be some questions the MH News might want to look into. Or possibly the County Commissioners. Where have they been through this mess? The list of "What if's" goes on and on and on.....

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Sep 4, 2015, at 7:35 AM


can you explain what "half-baked" repair means, because according to the district's levy website http://www.mhsdlevy.org/, the roof is supposed to be replaced at Hacker. Now, I know that's not what the $5M dollar levy ballot said; it mentioned only the term "repair", which means some of us may be voting for Hacker roof "replacement" again someday. This all seems like slight-of-hand or the old switcheroo, but it's we the voters who stopped paying attention and they know it...


-- Posted by Alwaysanoptimist on Thu, Sep 3, 2015, at 10:35 PM

She knew her job. I had been involved with an election a few years back. Signatures were needed on a petition and she never mentioned they needed to be notarized


Garcia said she told the petitioners that the signatures had to be notarized, which is not correct.

"That was a mistake on my part because I didn't know it was possible to circulate petitions that you didn't have notarized," she said.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Sep 3, 2015, at 11:29 AM

Well said!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Sep 3, 2015, at 8:38 AM

No one is ever responsible for these snfus that happen here on a regular basis. If that's the best these people can do their jobs..........glad they're not airplane mechanics........wouldn't want to fly on one they worked on. If employees knew their jobs and were informed they would not be afraid to give answers to easy questions. Afraid of repercussions?..........Learn your job, the rules that govern it and take pride in doing it to the best of your ability. No one will fault you for that.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Sep 3, 2015, at 7:47 AM

He said, she said. It's fairly obvious what she said, or was told to say. These next couple of months are going to be fun to follow. The lack of accountability is a little disturbing though.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Sep 2, 2015, at 9:47 PM

So let's do a brief synopsis here: The County was aware they gave the wrong date, and yet delayed the process of telling us, and we only found out from a rumor? Vivian never REALLY told us the entire process! Vivian received false information from an EX county commissioner and passed that info on to the petitioners as if it were law. They NEVER mentioned the $1,600.00 for the dissolving until the day of the commissioners meeting, and when the Secretary of State said they didn't see it that way, but was leaving it to the prosecuting attorney and we were given a week to get an answer.......and still waiting. Oh and what's that Tim Hurst? "Talking to the public about what state statutes say is NOT akin to giving legal advice???"

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Sep 2, 2015, at 8:49 PM

Drive to put dissolution of Elmore County taxing district to voters stalls; petitioners say county staff misled them


September 2, 2015




The Elmore County clerk says a group pushing to put the dissolution of the district to voters failed to turn in the signatures in time for the November election, but the petitioners say they were given the wrong date.

Wendy Mastroeni, who is leading the group called " Stop the Madness Now!" said she believes the deadline snafu was part of a broader effort by county staff to thwart the drive. The group now plans to get the issue on the May ballot.

"I think they withheld information, or gave inaccurate information, and it was not because they don't know their job," Mastroeni said.

Elmore County Clerk Barbara Steele said her staff has done everything required by law and said there was a "big misunderstanding" by the petitioners.

"We've advised them to seek (legal) counsel," she said.

Mastroeni and others want voters to decide whether the Western Elmore County Recreation District should be dissolved. It has been a divisive issue in Mountain Home.

The recreation district, formed in 2001, has collected about $5 million from taxpayers but hasn't built a long-promised recreational facility.

A recreation district official told the Statesman in June that they want to complete a $850,000 capital campaign drive before breaking ground on the facility. They hope to begin construction this year.

Mastroeni said those seeking to get the issue on the ballot in November were told by county staff that the deadline for ballot questions and getting the signatures of 20 percent of registered voters (more than 1,400 people) was Sept. 14. The Mountain Home News published that date in a June 10 article.

But the deadline for the signatures was actually Aug. 14 because Idaho code allows for 30 days for the clerk's offices to verify signatures, county officials said.

"I did tell them that Sept. 14 was the final day, that we had to have the entire process 100 percent completed -- signatures gathered, turned in, verified, presented to commissioners," said Vivian Garcia, elections specialist for Elmore County.

Did she mention that the signatures were due a month earlier?

"No, I did not, because they did not ask," she said. "I only answered the specific questions they asked."

She said county staff knew that the petitioners were unaware of the real Aug. 14 deadline.

"We were trying to find a way that we could let them know because we didn't want to surprise them on Sept. 14, but that's not something I can discuss," Garcia said.

Mastroeni said she heard through the grapevine that the deadline was incorrect and contacted the clerk's office to verify. Steele confirmed that Mastroeni called her office Aug. 12.

Garcia said she told the petitioners that the signatures had to be notarized, which is not correct.

"That was a mistake on my part because I didn't know it was possible to circulate petitions that you didn't have notarized," she said.

Art Nelson, one of the petitioners, said they heard a rumor that verbiage on the petition made it invalid. They sought assistance from county staff and were told to get a lawyer.

"They kept asking us, 'What do we need to have in the petition?' " Elmore County Prosecutor Kristina Schindele said. "We gave them the statute. We gave them the election deadline. They were given a whole bunch of deadlines."

At an Aug. 14 meeting with the county commissioners, the petitioners found out that they might have to pay $1,600 for election costs.

"Wait a second, this is the first we've heard of it," Mastroeni said of her reaction.

Schindele said she's still researching that. She said the petitioners who wish to create a taxing district have to pay for the election.

A spokesman for the Idaho Attorney General's Office declined to comment on the matter.

Tim Hurst, a spokesman for the Secretary of State's Office, said the responsibility of clerk's offices across the state is to run elections and help people through the process. He said talking to the public about what state statutes say is not akin to giving legal advice.

"They may not always know specific statutes for forming or dissolving a special district," Hurst said. "The clerk may flat-out not know it. If they haven't had enough time, or depending on how sophisticated the clerk's office is, they may not have the answer for them."

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Sep 2, 2015, at 8:29 PM

dude, I noticed you avoided addressing the issue of income tax fairness. Those at the bottom don't pay any because they earn so little and those at the very top hardly pay any because of tax breaks and laws written exclusively for their benefit. Meanwhile those in the middle are getting squeezed more and more everyday. Unless you disagree with the idea of a poverty level income designation and the tax relief aimed at those folks, what real solutions do you have to offer that will give the folks in the middle real tax relief?

Another question. Did you look up OASI or did you already know the answer?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Sep 2, 2015, at 12:39 PM

People don't do that here? If your going to let such a huge "percentage" (you like that word) of people ride for free, there must be something done as so they can also contribute. Some of the burden needs to be taken off the tax payers (income and property). I like the sales tax as a supplemental type contribution, intended to balance the big picture. Regardless if they receive their money for free, or earn it, all people spend.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Sep 2, 2015, at 11:35 AM

dude, you obviously haven't been paying attention to what caused the biggest problem in Greece. It's called the VAT, national sales tax. Simple to administer, very difficult to enforce. Most people avoided paying it by dealing in cash only. Huge loophole. Care to try another approach?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Sep 2, 2015, at 5:16 AM


Still shouldn't have a tax issue. No loop holes in sales tax. Too simple to understand I guess.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 9:13 PM

Because taxes always require percentages, or haven't you noticed????

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 4:13 PM

Has anyone noticed that this progressive has been able to refrain from name calling?

More intelligence maybe???

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 4:00 PM

I don't understand how that is getting the shaft. Please explain without using percentages. I pay 25,000 for the same thing he pays 1 million for. Getting the shaft is when my 25,000 goes to dead beat liberals think entitlements are part of the law

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 3:45 PM

For those of you too young to remember what it means, look up OASI.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 3:33 PM

Still believes that all people should be treated the same in the eyes of the law!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 3:31 PM

Still a citizen also!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 3:29 PM

dude, RETIRED!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 3:29 PM


If you're now un-employed you should not have a tax issue. Federal sales tax. That's the answer.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 3:24 PM

Very interesting. You don't mind getting the shaft.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 3:05 PM

Roy if you don't have an answer just say so. If Romneys 11% equals 1 million dollars, and my 25% equals 25,000, why should I complain. I paid 25,000 and he paid 1 million. I just want your opinion as to why I should complain. I never said I was a trump supporter. Your liberal mentality assumed I support him because I don't bash him

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 2:40 PM

If it's alright for a person making 24 million to pay only 11% income tax, then a person earning 100k should get a huge tax rebate. always right, you seem to have no problem with special tax laws being written for the use of the very, very wealthy, why is that? Do you enjoy paying a higher percentage of your earnings in income tax than Mitt does? At the end of the day, Mitt is not carrying his fair share of the load.

How can you be a Trump supporter given his stand on tax rates for the very wealthy?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 2:04 PM

Roy you really like taxes being based on percentages. Maybe we should base the economy on percentages. If I make 20% more than you, I should pay 20% more for an apple. Or 20% more for a pelican. Or 20% less if the shoe is on the other foot. I get taxes are based on percentages. I asked for you opinion on why one successful man should pay more than one not as successful man.

Ms M are you one of my choices?

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 1:45 PM

Mitt Romney paid 11% income tax due to favorable tax laws written only for the very rich. A person earning 100K pays a much higher percentage. Why should the very rich get special tax laws? I'm not alone on this subject. Trump would have the tax laws revised to eliminate this special treatment and make the very rich pay the same tax rate the rest of us pay. Don't believe it? Look it up. Seems he more compassion for the middle class, or what's left of it, than you tea party types. Trump is also pro-union I believe.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 1:04 PM


-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 1:00 PM

Always Right

How can I be bitter when I am enjoying Trumps circus entertainment? I'm getting lots of laughs!! He sure knows how to pull a crowd in, now doesn't he?

Which loser are you going to pick?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 11:00 AM

MS M you sound bitter too towards someone successful. You and Roy just don't like success. Roy you mentioned 11% tax. Tell me why one person should pay more than another person that makes less than him. Please explain. I understand its based on percentages. I get that. Why is it that feeble minded liberals want tax based on percentages, yet they look at profit in dollar amounts. Why not profits in percentages? climb out of the liberal box. Be your own person. You do know you are in a red state correct? You don't have to stay.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 10:07 AM

No thanks. We already have a YMCA, lots of parks, pools and other things that we didn't need a special taxing district for.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Aug 30, 2015, at 7:08 AM

I'd give them a Million to leave town and set up shop in Canyon County.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Aug 29, 2015, at 6:59 PM

The WECRD CEO's want to spend $5.1 Million to build themselves a penthouse in Mountain Home. We will all be jobless.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Aug 29, 2015, at 6:56 PM

This WECRD situation has now completely passed "6 on your side" status and has directly hit "Dateline NBC" status. Mountain Home government is embarrassingly corrupt. It's time to expose this in a big way, or all of the hard work and success of Stop the Madness will fade away. This is no longer an simple issue of 3 questionable ladies taking advantage of the good folks in your city, this is much, much larger.

-- Posted by Enzo the Baker on Sat, Aug 29, 2015, at 3:02 AM

MsM, if they nominate Trump, the democrats win. If they don't and he goes independent, the democrats win. It's a win-win situation :).

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 11:24 AM

What I was referring to was a situation where the CEO wanted to spend 6 million dollars to decorate his penthouse, so they off shored almost all the jobs, as well as moved the corporate headquarters to Bermuda so they didn't have to pay corporate income taxes.

Does it seem fair to you that so many lost good paying jobs?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 11:21 AM

Always Right

Bernie Sanders will not be the contender. If Joe Biden throws his hat in the ring he will be our next President. If not Hilary will be, not Bernie

TRUMP never will be!!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 10:56 AM

In an earlier post I suggested that those that make 50K spend 50K and those that make 25K spend 25K. Maybe I'm not that far off.... get it? Obviously you get it, you lost your job because of it.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 10:52 AM

dude, no different than you and your box!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 8:51 AM

I don't mind if people make money, I do mind when someone makes 24 million and only pays 11% because of tax loopholes they had written for them. Trump objects to this also.

I lost a very good job, not because the company wasn't making money, but because they weren't enough to finance the lifestyles of those in charge.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 8:43 AM


You're so hunkered down in your liberal box, that you usually miss the point entirely.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 8:41 AM

Did someone flush Idahogeek52

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 8:34 AM

Roy are you bitter? You sound like you were treated unfairly in the job market during your day. Why the negativity towards those with money? You comment on the rich having less of a sales tax burden is ridiculous. Coming from a liberal I understand. You idea of fair is if someone works hard and makes more money, they should pay more. I see the incentive there.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 8:34 AM

If Trump were elected, your so called job creators would find themselves paying a whole lot more in taxes to finance his deportation program.

Actually his position on taxes the wealthy should pay is one of the few things I agree with!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 8:15 AM

It's pretty much all I need. I try not to over-complicate things. You just park yourself first in line at the feed bunk and "gain" that political weight you are so proud of. If I have learned anything from this site, it is that a liberals view on economics and finances are even more screwed up than what I had thought. A little side note: If Trump were to get elected, there's going to be a whole lot of empty homes in 2C.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 7:38 AM

Is that the best you have dude?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 6:29 AM

And those such as yourself will always be first in line at the feed trough while others are working the harvest to fill it. A wise old man once said that to be successful, pay attention to what the majority is doing, and do the exact opposite.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 8:22 PM

dude and always right, you can continue to cling to your ideas. You can even continue to believe that they will come to fruition. The fact of the matter is that folks like you carry no political weight on the national scene. As long as people like you keep up your dialog, the more you will be marginalized.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 5:50 PM

Yeah, they live in tents, ride bikes, sit on the floor, dress in flour sacks, go with out socks and shoes, have no Big Screen TV, Stereo, I phone, I pad, X box, boat, atv, snow mobile, camper, coach purse, Escalade, skis, golf clubs, tennis rackets, furniture. Get it?? People that earn more money spend a lot of money on purchases that are taxed. Liberal Economics, gotta love it. No sense of reality, only what your told.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 4:59 PM

I know lots of people that make 50k and have decent savings and investments. Don't know what country you're in.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 4:42 PM

Should have known better than to ask for an explanation.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 3:56 PM

What country you live in. In America, you make 50k, you spend 50K. You make 25K, you spend 25K.

Not showing me much of a financial mind there.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 3:54 PM

If I make 60K a year I spend a smaller percentage of my income on taxable purchases than a person who makes 30K. Get it? The more you make, the more ways you have to shelter income. Get it? When you're poor, food and shelter take up most of your income. Get it?

Now onto Trump. Read this article and tell me how it squares with your quit taxing the job creators stance.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 12:31 PM

The more you make, your overall tax burden lessens as far as sales tax goes. Explain your economics.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 12:07 PM

Our local governments are just finishing up setting their FY2016 budgets. Attend the meetings, ask questions and voice your opinion or concerns. You have a vote, but you also have a voice in where your tax dollars are spent.

-- Posted by bondyweb on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 8:42 AM

dude, you do realize that sales tax is the most regressive form of taxes? The more you make, your overall tax burden lessens as far as the sales tax goes. For people not on food stamps, the cost of food would increase. The less you make means less food on the table.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 8:09 AM

I do believe that too much of the financial responsibility for our local community falls on those that pay property taxes. I feel that an increase in sales tax might be a nice alternative for funding some local needs. This would be a nice way for everyone to contribute, and take some of the burden away from property owners. Everyone would be taking some ownership in the community. I'll bet that if sales tax was to increase 1%-2% on a levy, Rec Dist, or bond, there would be more than 1500 folks that turn out to vote.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 7:44 AM

To all those who believe that only property owners should be able to vote when it comes to property taxes.

You must have been asleep or absent from your U.S. History class when that subject was covered. While it's true some of the founding fathers did believe that property owners should be the only ones allowed to vote, they were in the minority.

People whine and cry how we aren't following the constitution and then have the nerve to advocate a position that is clearly contrary to the constitution. You can't have it both ways folks.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Aug 27, 2015, at 6:44 AM

dude, it's bad enough that our government is bought and paid for by big business. Are you saying to trash the constitution and declare this country a corporation?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 11:08 PM

If you are a share holder in an entity, you get a vote as to the practices of the entity because you have contributed to the entity. If you own no shares, read the results in the paper.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 9:19 PM

It should do both. Check out my Welfare or Workfare blog, you might learn something.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 2:37 PM

You're right Roy, Opinions are like rectums. Sometimes I wonder if that's where your facts and statistics come from. No need to get bitter. We just have different opinions on whether the government should serve the people, or support the people.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 1:40 PM

Well always right, since your opinion reflects only a very small % of American voters, the odds of getting your way as to who gets to vote for what has less chance than a snowball in Hades. As to your other opinions, opinions are like rectums, everyone has one.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 12:54 PM

MS Marylin have you watched anything going on in the news? Anything at all that has to do with Hillary? Or Bernie Sanders? She isn't even going to be he democratic nominee. If you are going to chime in, come with something real.

Roy did you not see I specifically mentioned property tax? And I'm referring to income tax. And let me clear something up with the retired on here I have nothing against anyone being retired. nothing. Zero. But if your retirement plan is SS, not real good planning. Unless youre liberal and have 100% faith the government is there to take care of you.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 11:35 AM

Always Right

You do know Hilary will be the next President if Trump runs independently?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 10:41 AM

always right, what about those people that pay sales tax, vehicle reg. etc? Those are taxes aren't they? You have a very skewed view when it comes to who contributes.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 10:00 AM

Yes!!! I got a new fish on the line. Idahogeek52. You had to go way back to find the comment I made about retirement. I can't remember the context of the full post. Help me out. Sounds like your retirement plan is SS. Nice job planning for your future. I don't think I'm angry with anyone being retired. Let me simplify this for you. My point has always been "If you are taking from the system and not putting anything in, you shouldn't have a say in anything that has to do with people putting more in. If you pay no taxes, you should have no say when it comes to raising taxes. If you don't own property, you should have o say in how property tax is used, or if its raised.

I'm glad the levy passed.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 9:12 AM

Hey "Always Wrong", you posted-

"Im assuming you are on some sort of retirement plan."

You do realize people with pension plans pay into them, much like a 401K. Guess you believe SS is an entitlement, moron, people pay into them, entitlement means you contribute nothing and receive something. I pay into SS, so I expect a return, that is an investment, not an entitlement.

Guess you have no retirement plan, which obviously makes you angry with everyone who does.

-- Posted by idahogeek52 on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 6:58 AM

Why is poster "Always Right", so ALWAYS WRONG.

-- Posted by idahogeek52 on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 6:52 AM

Trump is a Chump! Bernie 2016.

If you don't want Government go to Somalia, they are in a state of anarchy, see how ya like "no government", and do us a favor, move ASAP!

-- Posted by idahogeek52 on Wed, Aug 26, 2015, at 6:47 AM

Plant Facility Fund Levy

All Precincts Reporting

In Favor Of 1123 73.78%

Against 399 26.22%

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Tue, Aug 25, 2015, at 10:54 PM

When was the last news mention about the levy vote today on line or printed in the paper, three weeks ago. Nothing on the calendar either. I guess we know where your vote lies, How is Kelly doing in the School dept...

-- Posted by gmoney on Tue, Aug 25, 2015, at 5:39 PM

Hilary? How can anyone with at least one living brain cell support that woman? There really must be some sort of KOOL AID out there being handed out. Un-flippin believable...And this country for the most part criticizes the Muslims. I see no difference.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Aug 25, 2015, at 12:39 PM

Trump is in a good place. If he doesn't get the nod, he will run independently leaving the door open for Hilary. It will be a done deal!

The Republicans are running scared!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Aug 25, 2015, at 10:41 AM

always right, this might be some good reading for you!


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Aug 25, 2015, at 7:35 AM

I think Trump is far more shrewd than people give him credit for. With his latest broadside against hedge fund managers and private equity managers and their bought and paid for preferential tax rate, he now courting elements of the left.

He makes grand statements and promises but is very short on details. His promise of hiring the best managers available seems to ignore the fact that anybody he hired would be taking a huge pay cut and would have to open their private financial records for the world to see. Ain't gonna happen.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Aug 25, 2015, at 6:50 AM

That was one of your more productive responses Ms Marylin. Come on Roy, I know you have an opinion.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Aug 24, 2015, at 2:44 PM

I would always right, but with your hit and run behavior, why bother?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Mon, Aug 24, 2015, at 12:44 PM

Always Right

Vote for Trump! Support Him! Back Him!

He will fly and dine with his own money !! Yeah! Vote Trump.......

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Aug 24, 2015, at 12:07 PM

So we are going to have to read the same stuff about wasted tax dollars until May? Really? Its funny how the left is concerned when its their tax dollars being wasted. Where's all the complaints when tax dollars are being wasted on Obama vacations,Pelosi plane trips, food stamps for everyone, Etc... Tackle something that makes a difference. Fire away Roy.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Aug 24, 2015, at 11:22 AM

So, they win again. By the time May rolls around they will have entered into some binding agreement with the "Y"/builders and we'll have a volleyball court and no pool. But at least we might be able to dissolve the district and their cronyism overhead.

I hope the employees that lied to you were FIRED. What you need is an independent media outlet to back you then may be we'll see some action from the state.

-- Posted by gmoney on Sun, Aug 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM

There isn't oversight. We have gone to the Prosecuting attorney, nothing, Secretary of State, nothing and Attiorney General nothing! We won't stop doing so though. The time was not extended we will have to go for the May ballot now. We are going to diligently collect until we either reach 2,000 or have to turn in. We will get it though!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sat, Aug 22, 2015, at 2:23 PM

What agency has oversight over the WECRD and other taxing districts? Does the county just hand over our tax dollars and let them due what they want? I think a group of citizens not affiliated with those "in charge" needs to be chosen to audit spending and other needs. All these tax districts just do what they want with our money. I counted 15 taxing line items on my property tax notice, which to me is ridiculous.

Did the county extend the signature collection time?

-- Posted by gmoney on Sat, Aug 22, 2015, at 12:42 PM


Places to sign the petition:



























-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Aug 19, 2015, at 11:49 AM

Roy since you don't live here, you don't understand what we have been dealing with for many years. I will leave it at that. Maybe if you were a Property owner here you would understand.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Aug 19, 2015, at 10:53 AM

How so Ms.M? Staff means many things, teachers, administrators, support staff. You can bet teachers and support staff will be the hardest hit.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Aug 18, 2015, at 3:08 PM

This is what should happen here!


-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Aug 18, 2015, at 10:24 AM


It's true all right check out the video where they say they gave us the wrong date. Sorry about the sound quality..


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sun, Aug 16, 2015, at 11:19 PM

People in Government get a way with way too much.

Just watch the news. As soon as Stop the Madness informed the Court House that they would be starting a petition, those in charge of administrating petitions for the Court House should have researched all the legalities involved as to provide accurate information to the tax payers of whom they work for. Absolutely no excuse for this. In the real world a business would be accountable for false information provided by an employee in which providing such information is a part of their job and employment. These people are an agent of the company and their information should be binding. There is no excuse for this. In the real world, people would lose their jobs. In the real world, courts may award punitive damages to those provided false information. But I'm just referring to the real world, and we're referring to the WECRD, so enough said.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Aug 15, 2015, at 6:56 PM

Don't give up!

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Sat, Aug 15, 2015, at 11:02 AM


If what you are saying is true, you need to call the state's Attorney General office. Make an appointment with them and explain your case. I can almost guarantee the "mistakes" will lessen, at the very least.

-- Posted by MrMister on Sat, Aug 15, 2015, at 7:18 AM

We had a busy day today here is what was presented to the County Commissioners:

May 29

Wendy and Janice went into the clerks office to get the statute on dissolving a district. Was given the statute for recalling a public official and had to ask for the correct statute. They were told at that time the signatures had to be turned in by September 14th.

Sometime later someone expressed concern that the petition was double sided. Wendy went and talked to Vivian and she stated that she prefers it to be one sided. Wendy showed Vivian the petition and she said that it looked good. Just not to let anyone write on the back.

In another incident Vivian called Wendy and informed her that Connie Cruiser had called her with concerns about the petition being at the senior center and also told her at that time that the signatures had to be notarized. At that time we reread the statute as well as contacted a notary who said that was absurd. Wendy attempted to contact the commissioners at this time but was told by Shelly that Vivian knows what she's doing and Wendy couldn't talk to anyone. I sent Vivian an email asking for clarification and eventually received an email from Barbara Steele stating that we didn't have to have the signatures notarized. In that email was also that the clerks office would approve the petition at the time it was turned in.

We were informed that county employee said it was going around the courthouse that the petition as written is invalid. When Vivian was contacted she stated that she was not allowed to give legal advice. We were put in touch with Mr. Grant and were told that we should seek legal counsel from a private attorney.

This Past Tuesday the 11th we heard another rumor that the signatures had to be turned in this Friday the 14th of August, today, a full month earlier than we were originally told. Wendy called the clerks office and this was confirmed.

We are just citizens trying to complete a lawful process outlined in Idaho code. Although we have repeatedly been sabotaged by the clerks office we are here before you today to protest the latest ruse to keep us from completing and turning in our petition. Idaho code 31-4320 covers the dissolution of a recreation district. It is our assertion that the clerks office has made a number of misinterpretations of this code. The following has been stated by the clerks office in email to us.

This is from the email dated August 12th:

"The petition(s) must be turned in by Friday, 5:00 p.m. August 14th. They need to be brought to the Clerk's office and either I or one of my Deputy Clerks can accept them. Within ten days of filing the petition(s) with my office, we will send out an estimate of the cost of advertising and holding the election in writing to the person or any one of the persons filing such petition as to the amount of such estimate. Such person or persons shall within twenty (20) days after receipt of written notice, deposit such estimated amount with the Clerk in cash or such petition shall be deemed withdrawn. Per Idaho Code 31-4320, Any person or persons may file a petition for the dissolution of a recreation district with the Clerk. Such petition which may be in one (1) or more papers shall state the name of the district and shall be signed by not less than twenty percent (20%) of the qualified electors resident within the boundaries of the district. (b) Within thirty (30) days after the filing of such petition, the county commissioners shall determine whether or not the same substantially complies with the requirements of this section. Please read Idaho Code 31-4320 in its entirety."

Nowhere in 31-4320 does it say anything about estimating the cost of advertising. That was pulled from Idaho code 31-4304 under the Creation of a Recreation District to try and scare us that we would have to pay the clerk to advertise the election. The assertion being that anytime the citizens want to redress government they have to pay if the clerk doesn't want their question on the ballot.

Furthermore there is no substantiation for the deadline being todays date. Idaho code 34-106 paragraph 8 States:

"Initiative, referendum, bond, levy and any other ballot question elections conducted by any political subdivision shall be held on the nearest date authorized in subsection (1) of this section which falls more than sixty (60) days after the clerk of the political subdivision orders that such election shall be held in May and November of even-numbered years and fifty (50) days for all other elections, unless otherwise provided by law. City initiative and referendum elections shall be held in November of odd-numbered years as provided by section 34-1801B, Idaho Code. Ballot language for any question to be placed on the ballot shall be submitted to the county clerk at least sixty (60) days before the election held in May and November of even-numbered years and at least fifty (50) days for all other elections."

The only way I can figure their math is to take 60 days from the election date and then add in the bogus additional 20 days from the creation of a district code. Even if the Creation code was relevant it would not be cumulative but would run concurrent with the 60 days before the election that the petition has to be filed. If we are forced to turn in out petition today we will be turning it in 80 days before the election. Referring back to the above code the petition should only have to be submitted 50 days prior as this is an odd numbered year. That day would be the 15th of September as we were originally told.

In an email dated Jun 17th from Ms. Steele the following was stated:

"Once the petition(s) have been filed with the Clerk, within 30 days the Clerk will verify that the petition(s) comply with the statute concerning identification of the purpose of the petition and identification of the recreation district by its full, legal name, and confirm whether it has been signed by no less than 20% of the qualified electors within the district. If the petition, and its parts and pieces, have been verified, the Clerk will present it to the Board of County Commissioners."

This has been corrected in the latest email but shows further evidence of the misstatements made by the clerk. They have nothing to say about the validity of the petition. That responsibility rests solely on the shoulders of the commissioners. The statute mentions only the commissioners. Nothing about the clerk verifying the petition or anyone outside of the commissioners having any input whatsoever.

We have brought copies of all the relevant emails and codes that pertain to our protest.

These are the highlights of the intimidation and sabotage that we have been put through. In light of what has happened so far we have no faith in the clerks office to verify the signatures. It is my belief that the clerks office has clearly shown a bias against our petition and will summarily dismiss the number of signatures they need to so as to invalidate the petition.

For the clerks office to actively be working against the citizens that they are supposed to be serving is a travesty. It's understandable why no one would ever want to take part in their government when this kind of wanton bias is allowed to be visited on its citizens. Thanks for your time today.

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Fri, Aug 14, 2015, at 7:18 PM

R2C, I think you should relocate to our local, get into an elected position and get this whole mess straightened out, you appear to have all the answers to OUR problems.

No issues in your hood to work on?

I too am curious of your concern for this area.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Aug 13, 2015, at 4:12 PM

Same as the folks up here truth be told. Don't give the employees raises for years, no COLA, and then make them feel that they should be grateful to be treated so poorly. The people elected the officials that are doing this and then the people have the nerve to complain about the quality of service they receive from said employees.

Treat me that way and all you'll get is minimum effort!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Aug 13, 2015, at 3:52 PM


Why such an interest in Mountain Home? There is a problem with those that only know what they read, and they should probably stay out of the conversation.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Aug 13, 2015, at 3:46 PM

How so Roy?

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Thu, Aug 13, 2015, at 1:24 PM

Not back pedaling joe, just clarifying. From the things I've been reading, you folks down there seem to deserve what you've been getting lately.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Aug 13, 2015, at 10:25 AM

Dump the WECRD..........Support the levy.....get something for your money.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Aug 13, 2015, at 9:03 AM

When a County Court House is unable (unwilling?) to provide citizens with accurate information, and advises them to hire an attorney to insure the information the receive is accurate, I see a problem. Do we trust these same people to count signatures on a petition, or even votes on a ballot? Is Mountain Home becoming a small version of Chicago? If I were new to town and following this WECRD debacle (not to leave out their financial mismanagement) I would surely wonder.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Aug 13, 2015, at 7:43 AM

Good catch Roy! Nice to know you pedal as well both directions :)

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Aug 13, 2015, at 7:25 AM

What I meant is that your elected officials affect the quality of the employees that the public has to deal with.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Aug 13, 2015, at 6:43 AM

This is not an elected person giving out inaccurate information. Biggest lesson I've learned is record EVERYTHING! Not impressed!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Aug 12, 2015, at 12:56 PM

Well you know what they say when it comes to local government, you only get the quality you vote for!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Aug 12, 2015, at 11:42 AM

A note for the grammar Nazi's Yes I should of put Past not Pasted.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Aug 12, 2015, at 9:57 AM

Dude I'm in agreement with you.... It's a good thing Wendy checked on it before she found out the deadline has pasted. I hope when she turns the signatures in, the deadline is still this Friday and not changed to yesterday.....

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Aug 12, 2015, at 9:53 AM

Sanders is taking the lead over Clinton, Trump is leading in the Republican Polls but won't get the nod.

Can you imagine what would happen if Trump was elected, throwing insults at foreign dignitaries

None of them are worthy of running the country.

A bunch of beans waiting for the cook off.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Aug 12, 2015, at 9:31 AM

Pay attention and get some signatures, or we will get "Trumped" big time. Nasty politics!!! Shame on you people. You folks are paid by the tax payers and should provide accurate information.

THE LARGEST SCAM IN ELMORE COUNTY HISTORY IS IN MOTION. Large scale property tax increases, in-accurate info on when petitions need to be turned in..... heck with the White House, let's clean up our Court House.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 8:52 PM

joe, you're not the one name calling and hurling insults.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 6:34 PM


Our real names matter as much as your employment, get over it.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 4:40 PM

Trump doesn't hide his real name unlike others who don't have the guts to let the world know their real name!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM

Not directed at any person on here. I saw a new study today. Turns out one out of every three liberals is as stupid as the other two.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 4:08 PM


And about 10 billion dollars, and a come over.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 4:05 PM


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 3:41 PM

always right, the only difference between you and Trump is that Trump doesn't hide behind a screen name when insulting people.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 2:09 PM

It is a horse race. Clinton looks like a horse, eats like a horse, and smells like a horse. Yet lies like a rug. Sanders has the intelligence of a dung beetle. The only reason he is moving closer to Clinton is because she is falling like a rock. What we don't need is any more years of entitlements for the lazy. Roy you don't like Trump because he says what he is thinking. The left doesn't want anyone to get their feelings hurt. How does it feel to have to defend Fox news from the left sir? Libs are in a pickle. Trump or Fox news!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 1:59 PM

Trump, the man that feels because of his economic status can name call and insult others at will. Just what this country needs. NOT!!!!!!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 1:41 PM

The Republicans distance themselves because they lack the testicular fortitude to say what every one is thinking.

Trump still has my vote at this point.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 11:45 AM

The Republicans are distancing themselves away from Trump. Sanders has taken on a little speed and could possibly pass Clinton in the lead.

Its like a horse race. And the winner is?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 10:40 AM

always right, why does having a job matter? I worked in the private sector from the time before I even became a teenager. I worked side by side with the braceros in the fields of California for my 1st job. I have held jobs from the most menial to very technical. Why does the fact that I have retired bother you so much? I still pay taxes of every kind, but you seem to think I'm some kind of moocher even though I don't get any kind of welfare unless you consider social security welfare. You engage in hit and run behavior here on the blogs hiding behind a screen name, and as far as I'm concerned that is the behavior of a coward.

The Clinton campaign is slowly fading. Sanders is drawing larger crowds at events than any candidate of either party. Chafee and O'Malley seem to be biding their time, waiting for Clinton to go away from the pressure of all the questions regarding her behavior and truthfulness. All of the Republican candidates seem to losing to Sanders in most head to head polls.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 6:53 AM

Any democrats on here that have a job? Roy who stands a chance of getting elected if none of the republicans do? The trustworthy Clinton Lady? Looks like she got beat with a lying stick. REIDMOORE you related to Trump? I saw the family pictures.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Aug 10, 2015, at 2:50 PM

Jim Gilmore is the 17th one. I did a research on him as I did the other ones.

Gilmore, who served as Governor of Virginia from 1998-2002 and Chair of the Republican National Committee from January to December 2001, made an unsuccessful bid for the Republican presidential nomination in the 2008 election cycle. Gilmore later ran for the U.S Senate seat being vacated by Republican John Warner. He faced Democratic fellow former Governor Mark Warner, who was Gilmore's successor as Governor in 2002, and subsequently lost the election by a large margin.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Aug 9, 2015, at 1:15 PM

Another one has since jumped in I think.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Aug 9, 2015, at 12:19 PM

Who is the 17th candidate? When I wrote my blog there was 16.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Aug 9, 2015, at 10:59 AM

We are still collecting signatures we have 1570, we want 2,000! Whatever comes first Sept 1st (two weeks before deadline) or 2,000 signatures we turn them in! Keep signing! Want a list of businesses go to 220 Stardust Plaza! Any questions call me 598-5387!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sun, Aug 9, 2015, at 10:55 AM

I find all 17 candidates amusing.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Aug 8, 2015, at 4:59 PM

Haha, I find that response amusing R2C......lol

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Sat, Aug 8, 2015, at 2:46 PM

No different than always right! My comment about Mike was in reference to tone.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Aug 8, 2015, at 2:43 PM

Trump barred from Conservative gathering


-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Aug 8, 2015, at 12:31 PM

Right now Trump has our Country's attention which is a good thing. I can hardly wait for the next debate.... It definitely was entertaining, certainly not boring.

I think they all did well, there was some that stuck out more then others. I also loved the humor. I think its good when you can add a little humor to politics

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Aug 8, 2015, at 10:54 AM

Gee Roy, remember looking down on other party's?

Never said it wasn't! Just making a comment, nothing else! Still a free country isn't it, unless you're politics are looked down on by the right!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Jul 29, 2015, at 5:04 PM

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Sat, Aug 8, 2015, at 10:19 AM

Every single one of them pandered to lowest common denominator, and that is why none of them stands a chance in the general election!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Aug 8, 2015, at 7:10 AM

The Republican debates were very entertaining. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. But seriously I really think we need to see Trump's birth certificate. I've heard his mother is an orangutan.

-- Posted by REIDMOORE on Fri, Aug 7, 2015, at 7:48 PM

The fate of the Country is over 14 months out. The fate of Elmore County is just over 2 months out. Keep beating that horse.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Aug 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM

Now that everyone is done beating the WECRD horse, lets talk politics. How nervous are the Dems? The shemale leading their pack is quickly falling. D Trump is on the rise. Obama's Iran plan is going to be a failure. Along with the Kerry idiot. The USS Lib is full of holes. The no one is baling water.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Aug 7, 2015, at 2:19 PM

Thanks Gmoney will do!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Aug 5, 2015, at 1:17 PM

Now that you have enough signatures please make sure the wording on the ballot does not confuse anyone. In the past I've had to read ballot initiatives a couple of times to make the right choice.

Do your best to keep it in the spotlight until voting day.

-- Posted by gmoney on Tue, Aug 4, 2015, at 11:19 AM

No matter what the outcome things are happening! No one can ever say we didn't give it our all or give the community a voice! Voice your choice!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sun, Aug 2, 2015, at 8:07 AM

So it appears, that there is a strong possibility that the elimination of the WECRD , and two positions on the board of the WECRD might be on the same ballot in November. Now is this a lose/lose, win/win, win/ lose, or a lose/ win? Somebody has to call Vegas and get some odds on this one.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jul 30, 2015, at 2:17 PM

525 signatures to go and we can turn this petition in. By the way that's 525 more than we actually need, we have reached our goal of 1475! Let's be on the safe side! Call me with any questions! 598-5387

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Jul 29, 2015, at 10:12 PM

Thanks Enzo! The community wants a change, we are just leading those efforts. Not always an easy task, but we will get there! On the brink of making it a reality!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sat, Jul 25, 2015, at 8:56 AM

Always right: If by "annoying", you mean "factual" and "tenacious", then you are correct in your description of "for the kids". There is almost nothing more annoying than being screwed over by a group of public figures.

-- Posted by Enzo the Baker on Fri, Jul 24, 2015, at 6:13 PM

Amazing letter to editor!


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Jul 22, 2015, at 12:52 PM

Fill your fuel tank in Boise because you go there often(burning a lot of fuel) to save a penny. Want some old school advice? STAY HOME!!!!!! Take some finance classes on your computer.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jul 16, 2015, at 9:40 PM

My biggest issues with the WECRD are:

How can we hold the past/current directors liable for wasting over 2 million dollars of our taxes?

How can we stop the waste from continuing ad-infinitum?

How can we get what I voted for 15 years ago, a indoor pool and rec facility?

-- Posted by gmoney on Wed, Jul 15, 2015, at 3:59 PM

On the fence? Have some questions? Would you like to know more about the Western Elmore County Recreatoon and why we feel it should go back on the ballot? Stop by tomorrow night to find out why. 220 Stardust Plaza at 7:30.

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Tue, Jul 14, 2015, at 9:19 PM


We have 1300, we need 1457, we would like a bit more to ensure we are well covered.

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sun, Jul 12, 2015, at 5:57 PM

gmoney, due to the head in the sand behavior of Otter and company, tis now time to pay the piper. The backlog of needs runs into the hundreds of millions. Now for the real insanity. All the roads built in the last few years were designed for a maximum truck limit of about 106,000 lbs. Now they have either raised that limit or are going to, so those nice roads will be beat to death long before they should be. STUPID! All to make the trucking industry more profit.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Jul 12, 2015, at 2:13 PM

I just received my vehicle renewal notice and talk about a tax hike,HB312 fee increase of $21.00 per vehicle plus the .07 cent per gallon for highway repairs should put the highway construction companies on easy street. I think those(truckers) that tear up the roads should pay to repair them.

-- Posted by gmoney on Sun, Jul 12, 2015, at 1:09 PM

How many signatures do you need to get the WECRD piggy bank on the ballot?

Do you have enough yet?

-- Posted by gmoney on Sun, Jul 12, 2015, at 12:57 PM

a r, you can be annoyed all you want because because I don't pay income tax any longer, but for more than 45 years I did pay income taxes! I do pay property taxes! As a matter of fact, at one time my wife and I paid one heck of a lot in income taxes due to our income! I pay sales tax in this state and my vehicles are registered in this state! Your contention that I don't pay taxes is wrong and I think you owe me an apology! You seem to be a typical narrow minded and self-righteous bigot whose world views are superior to anyone who doesn't fall in line with yours!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Jul 10, 2015, at 2:16 PM

Roy I feel your pain when you say you are annoyed about my views. I'm annoyed too. I'm annoyed about non property owners getting to have input into raising costs for property owners. I'm annoyed about the people who choose not to contribute to society having a say in how things should be. I'm annoyed with the free loading bums complaining about the republicans wanting to cut welfare. I'm annoyed at people like you who don't pay tax but yet you want people to pay more because the dead beat bums deserve better.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Jul 10, 2015, at 10:31 AM

In an effort to be more organized a website has been created!


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Fri, Jul 10, 2015, at 10:29 AM


On a different note, what's with all the crazy drivers over there in 2c? It's dangerous.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Jul 10, 2015, at 7:29 AM



-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Jul 10, 2015, at 7:26 AM

Dude, your points are all correct. I was simply annoyed by ar's attitude towards renters. The concept of restricting voting rights to property owners was discarded when our constitution was written. Any and all attempts to restrict voting rights run counter to our constitution and basic American ideals.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Jul 10, 2015, at 7:05 AM

Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that when a home is non-owner occupied, the property taxes pretty much double. You lose that exemption. There are vacancies that need to be taken into consideration. Repairs and un-expected damages. Along with vacancies come utility bills, mowing and general maintenance. If a vacancy occurs for an extended period of time, this puts the property owner at a huge financial dis-advantage. If the need for costly repairs may occur, they are again at a financial dis-advantage. If a renter falls behind in rent payments, the owner again is at a financial dis-advantage. Current laws make it very difficult to evict a renter if they fall behind in rent payments. Deposits rarely cover the minor repairs needed when a renter moves. Properly managed rentals can be a very good investment, but also with many financial risks. Property for rental properties are not more than the cost of doing business paid by those that are doing the business.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jul 9, 2015, at 10:36 PM

I personally did not write that, but thanks for expressing your opinion. "Annoying?" Nice!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Thu, Jul 9, 2015, at 10:26 PM


Lets say that you lend an individual money to purchase a home. Let's say that they are paying you interest on the money you provided them. You owe federal taxes on the interest that they pay you. Are they paying your federal taxes? There are so many different ways of looking at a rental as an investment, that you will never get everyone to agree. Some look for an immediate return, while others are satisfied with appreciation on their investment. Property taxes are a cost associated with your investment, no different than management fees hidden in mutual funds, or commissions brokers charge you for buying and selling stocks. The local market (supply and demand) is what primarily dictates rental rates. Not mortgage costs or property taxes. If you own a home and are put into a situation where you have to rent it, you can not just add together the cost of your mortgage, taxes, insurance, repair and expect to receive that amount of money for monthly for rent. I know many folks that are renting their homes far below their cost of owning the home. It really is not as simple as some think.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jul 9, 2015, at 8:57 PM

Since I'm on SS (funds myself and my employer deposited) I am using my own funds to pay for my stuff! You can't be that simple can you?

You never did answer my question as to where the landlord get the funds to cover their expenses.

Don't want to answer the question?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Jul 9, 2015, at 5:40 PM

For the kids

I'm not a supporter of WECRD but it sounds like you have a personal hatred of someone or something associated with WECRD. You listed your own interpretation of what WECRD is doing, trying to get everyone to climb on board. You're being more annoying than WECRD.

-- Posted by always right on Thu, Jul 9, 2015, at 4:41 PM

Roy your way of thinking means you don't pay for anything. Where do you get your funds to pay for your internet? your food? you property? If you aren't actually designing and making the money, you are getting it from someone, which means that someone is paying for your living. Not you. And that someone who is paying you, is getting paid from someone else. So someone else is paying for someone who is paying for you. Follow me yet? Renters pay for a place to live. You can't be that simple

-- Posted by always right on Thu, Jul 9, 2015, at 4:32 PM

I am retired. If I were in the military and stationed at MHAFB, I would look at the real estate market there, and unless I were close to retirement and wanted to settle there, there is no way I would buy a home there!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Jul 9, 2015, at 4:21 PM

a r, just where does the property owner get the funds to pay for everything?????

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Jul 9, 2015, at 4:15 PM


Im assuming you are on some sort of retirement plan. Nothing against that at all. But put that into your illogical way of thinking. You don't really buy your food, don't really support yourself, don't really pay for anything. Because someone is suppying you with the money to buy food, etc... Renters pay rent for a place to live. Period. The property owner pays the property tax, the upkeep, and everything else.

Liberal description. Spend someone else's money to improve your life.

You example of renters is weak. Don't be afraid to say the biggest reasons people rent. Bad credit, no down payment. No motivation. Very few that can buy choose to rent. Even the military when they know they are only there for a short time.

-- Posted by always right on Thu, Jul 9, 2015, at 3:39 PM

Why you should sign the petition for the dissolution of the WECRD to be put on the ballot.

Broken Promise.

The WECRD was formed with the promise of a pool. There will be no pool. It has taken 15 years for them to save around 4 million. They say it costs 5 million to build a pool. The current plan is to build a gym with the all the money they have saved plus money they can't seem to raise, and to support it with the tax money they collect yearly. There will be no, "phase 2" or "in the future" because everything goes to build and maintain the building they want to build. The next promise they will break is that they are going to break ground this year.

"Closer than ever".

This is their battle cry and has been for the past 5 or 6 years. The problem with that is they can never quite get to the goal they have set. The WECRD spends over $100,000 dollars a year just to open the doors from 10-2 Tuesday through Thursday. They run no programs. They contribute nothing to any other entities programs. They opened their capitol campaign to raise money in November of 2014. The purpose of this campaign is community buy in. So that they know the community really wants it, and of course the extra $850,000 they are trying to raise. To date they have pledges for $210,000 and have actually collected $40,000. Even if you spot them the, "checks in the mail", $210,000 "raised" over the last 8 months, that was the low hanging fruit, it would take them another 21 months to raise the $640,000 they are short of the community buy in. What will have changed in two years? This project will never get under way.


See the Sustainability or "Blue" Paper. The WECRD is using a 5 year old study that based its number on 40% growth. These are very different times economically and it doesn't seem prudent to use outdated, inaccurate numbers, to justify any project let alone one that uses our tax dollars.

The Project itself.

20 acres purchased for $500,000 10 years ago and there isn't a stitch of grass, a tree, a walking path, a community garden, or any ball fields. A gym with some exercise equipment and daycare is what they want to build. All of which we currently have. Once again based on a 5 year old survey they have chosen to build the least popular option from that outdated and inaccurate survey. Not to mention that our two local gyms and daycares and private babysitters will lose customers to this facility. Why would we want to compete with any local business and lose any jobs to a tax payer funded and sustained building? It would be far wiser to not lose jobs by duplicating these services but to bring in things that we don't have here already.

The Money.

By dissolving the District your taxes will go down as you will no longer be taxed for no reason and no recreation. The money, by law, goes to the county and the commissioners have to use it on recreation. The commissioners have stated that they would have forums so that the citizens can as a group or individually give their input on where the money should go. Recreation now.


The recreation center out at the base has been voted one of the nicest in the Air Force. 64% of the residents of the WECRD have access to it. What need would this building really fill?

Please sign the petition today.

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Jul 8, 2015, at 2:05 PM


What: An Opportunity to Talk Openly about the WECRD/YMCA Plan and the Petition

Where: Stardust Plaza #220

When: 7:30-8:30 p.m. Wednesday 8 July 2014 (longer if desired)

What to Expect: This is the first in what we hope will be a series of discussion opportunities. Come with your questions and concerns. Visit with community-minded individuals who have in depth knowledge of the WECRD and personal involvement with the YMCA Community Leadership Development Committee (CLDC). Learn about resources and websites; do your own research. Speak your mind; listen to others. Get the facts so you can make an informed decision.

Rules of Engagement: We are here to provide facts and stats for the community. We are NOT here to spew hatred. Personal attacks will NOT be tolerated. Our goal is to bring the community together to share facts, exchange ideas, and give the citizens a voice. The meeting is being held on private property by private citizens as a community service. Disruptive or disrespectful individuals will be asked to leave. No tax dollars are being used to provide this information.

It's Time to: Sign the Petition if you are ready. Register to Vote, if you are not registered.

Questions? Contact Wendy Mastroeni: 598-5387 or e-mail: wmastroeni@yahoo.com


WECRD -- 15 years in existence! 13 years of Taxation without Recreation! Stop the Madness!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Tue, Jul 7, 2015, at 4:13 PM

Thanks Sam. Far too many think they are better than their fellow man.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Jul 7, 2015, at 7:36 AM

Well said, Roy. Almost every single person in the United States has rented at one time or another. Was that during their irresponsible years? I don't think so.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Jul 7, 2015, at 7:06 AM

Oh, by the way, what makes renters not responsible members of society?? Your statement makes you sound very elitist. A great number of people don't buy a home for very good reasons like not being sure they want to stay in a particular town for a long period of time. Maybe they don't know how long they'll be stationed at the base. If you don't like base renters, be careful, the base is the only thing that keeps Mountain Home alive!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Mon, Jul 6, 2015, at 7:57 PM

Let's put it this way ar. If you were to buy a house or apartment building to rent out, when you set the amount of rent you want, do you consider how much you need to get to meet the mortgage, insurance, maintenance and the property taxes due on that property so you can at least break even every month, or make a profit? If you break even or turn a profit each month, then who in reality is pay your property taxes and expenses each month?

Hint, it isn't YOU!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Mon, Jul 6, 2015, at 6:51 PM

Renters do not pay property tax. The property owner pays the property tax. Saying the renters pay it in their rent is the same as saying the company you work for pays for your food and car and house and property tax. Renters should not have a vote on anything that has to do with raising property tax. Raise the sales tax, raise the fuel tax, quit just raising the tax on the responsible members of society.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Jul 6, 2015, at 11:16 AM

Strange how the community hears or sees very little from the WECRD till they are challenged by a petition. This is twice they have face this and twice they start a information blitz. They hired the Y, pay a person's salary and that person said they are unsure how to communicate information to the public. Guess they never heard a social media, our local newspaper or even an mailer. Oh wait, there is no money for that since the WECRD is saving all our tax dollars for the center and their free steak meals. Nice job WECRD board. They did have a booth in the park today but only two of the three members were there, one of the salary employees was there more than likely being paid and who knows how much will be paid to the Y if they were there. This tax district is a joke and at the very least needs to be held accountable.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sat, Jul 4, 2015, at 8:14 PM

At Carl Miller Park with the petition to sign!!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sat, Jul 4, 2015, at 11:53 AM

The only sincere individual to speak at the sales pitch was the gentleman from the YNCA. You can't blame a guy for fishing in a small pond in a community that re-stocks it each year with over 400,000 little fish.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jul 2, 2015, at 10:03 PM

At the WECRD Forum or (Sales Pitch as I saw it), the board admitted that they knew nothing about running a recreation district. They apparently know nothing about investing money or managing finances. My question is this: What purpose do they serve? Would we not have been a lot better off just finding a qualified financial advisor from the beginning, save some money without their arrogant expenses and then form a committee? These folks are the poster child of Governmental Waste. They only group of tax payers they seek to serve are themselves and close associates. Sorry to see the taxing district will be going away, but it is soooo much more important to eliminate the arrogant and disrespectful attitude of the current board. WECRD Board, YOU WILL BE GOING AWAY SOON!!!!! And you owe this community a

BIG apology. Your lack of financial responsibility astounds me, but not near as much as your "I'm better than you attitude". Not to mention, that for a group that's Sundays are spent in a similar fashion each week, you have shown yourselves to be a Very Very cruel group.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jul 2, 2015, at 9:22 PM

Commissioners will not and can not make a plan at this point so I would say probably not.

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Thu, Jul 2, 2015, at 6:49 PM


Will the County Commissioners attend this meet up?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Jul 2, 2015, at 10:45 AM


We will be holding a series of events during the next few months. First thing is first, let's get the signatures we need and get this on the ballot. We will also be providing our community with a venue to express what they would like to see the money go to as this seems to be one of THE biggest concerns. The County Commissioners WANT to hear from our community and we think it is important for all of us to have a voice in what is happening with OUR money! If you would like to stop by GREAT! If you can't make it for whatever reason and would like some facts, let us know! We are here for you! LET'S DO THIS!

220 Stardust Plaza Wednesday July 8th at 7:30 pm!


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Jul 1, 2015, at 11:58 PM

1200+ signatures!!!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Jul 1, 2015, at 10:14 PM


That would be a fair way of doing it. Every one pays a little. Business is already set up to collect the tax.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Jul 1, 2015, at 7:46 AM

I guess I should have put it this way. Property tax is one of many expenses included when calculating how much rent to charge to achieve a positive cash flow unless the property owner wants to have a negative cash flow for that property.

Now on to a local sales tax. Sales tax is the most regressive form of taxation. It's bad enough to pay 6% tax on food. Taxation of food is used in many states to pay for tax cuts to those who really don't need them. Just look at Kansas.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Jul 1, 2015, at 6:17 AM

I only used renters as an example, but the home owner pays that tax anyway...I guess a better way to ask the question is WHY only home owners? Is that the ONLY way to generate tax revenue? Perhaps that is a better way to put it..I have been to cities/counties that have a local tax. Used to generate revenue from EVERYONE that passes through a check out line...

-- Posted by Pug on Tue, Jun 30, 2015, at 9:36 PM

Renters do not pay property taxes. The property owner does. It one of the expenses of the "investment" that is deducted when calculating your net return. No different than general maintenance, insurance, lawn mowing etc. The renter is merely purchasing, by the month, a place to live.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Jun 30, 2015, at 5:47 PM

Mike missed the point about renters also. Seems some folks need to educate themselves before speaking.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Jun 30, 2015, at 5:30 PM

Pug, renters indirectly pay Property Tax through their rent. While us homeowners get to deduct on their tax return property taxes, renters can't do so.

On the National News, it appears that Republicans aren't liking the Supreme Court so much lately with the Obama Care decision and the Marriage Equality Decision.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Jun 30, 2015, at 4:39 PM

Uh pug, the rent renters pay pays the property tax for the landlord.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Jun 30, 2015, at 4:30 PM

What totally blows my mind is the short sightedness of the Board of Directors for the WECRD. Why oh WHY are ONLY the homeowners being used as a source of revenue. Why is Joe Smith renter with 4 kids who is most likely going to be using this facility for free not participating in raising the money...what would it take for a local tax of say an additional penny on the dollar or even 2 cents on the dollar for luxury items... ie: smokes...alcohol... fireworks...stuff that is NOT necessary to sustain a family...This has been so so mismanaged....for a place like Mtn Home...one actually has to think outside of the box...and if those ladies, know nothing about what they were on the board to do...then why are they even there...I will give Ms Ruffing a break as she has at least built a building...but she reflected her attitude about the town and it's people very well...I have no idea why she is here. This town is not good enough for at least one of her kids to go to school in...but back to the raising of revenue...Why is it only the homeowners..that are paying..

-- Posted by Pug on Tue, Jun 30, 2015, at 2:41 PM


Was at the forum last night and heard more about the wants/desires of the three directors and their families than information about the WECRD/YMCA or what the district residents wanted.

I went by their office this morning to get information about total taxpayer monies collected and according to their data it was approximately $5.5 million tax dollars over the last 15 years and they have $3.2 million in savings. So roughly 42% percent of the revenue has been spent just maintaining the district. I cancelled out the land purchase with the $500 k in grants so that's not a factor. I think there has been rampant mismanagement of our tax dollars in the past and someone should be held accountable. One thing that surprised me last night was the director who said she takes the audit home with her and reviews expenses prior to approval, I would think a disinterested 3rd party would be required.

I voted for a swimming pool/recreation facility not a meeting house/volleyball court. Since the district has not fulfilled its purpose time to dissolve.

-- Posted by gmoney on Tue, Jun 30, 2015, at 12:48 PM


Thanks for your response. No, I don't think you can begin to understand my frustration and concerns.

" They have also donated to the youth center and partnered with the school district and contributed $7k to the Mountain Home High School/Junior High Track, $10k for the Mountain Home High School Baseball/Softball indoor facility"

Excuse me but I already pay a school tax to go toward this. Why is my WECRD tax dollars going to this also?

" the Let's Play grant allowed them to give $72k to non-profit entities including the Elmore County Youth Baseball, Mountain Man Wrestling, Mountain Home Youth Soccer, Elmore County Girls Fast Pitch Softball, Special Olympics, Mountain Home Rugby, Mountain Home Arts Council, and Mountain Home Volleyball Club."

Why did Lets Play not give this money away? Why the WECRD?

"The recreational opportunities created by the WECRD include the RAFT program which were participant guided game nights like indoor basketball, volleyball, and games. The WECRD took buses full of kids to treasure valley rec centers for day trips, they held an annual kids fitness walk, a children's health fair, an annual adult fitness walk, they led a bi-weekly walking program, they held a judo program(apparently City Parks & Rec wouldn't take the lead on this),"

How may of these did participants pay to participate in?

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Jun 30, 2015, at 8:06 AM

Not sustainable in the slightest:

Is the Proposed WECRD/YMCA Facility SUSTAINABLE?

Current Facts & Figures Say "NO!"

It's Time! Sign the Petition! Let the Community Decide at the Ballot Box!


* The WECRD tax base is DECREASING! It dropped $173,858,163 from 2010 to 2014. (Table 1)

* Only 10% of those interviewed plan to join! 90% get NOTHING! Building a $5 million facility for 10% of the people makes NO SENSE!

* WECRD/YMCA plans to build Option Two, the least desirable option out of 3 choices with the least "likely to join"rate! (Market Study)

* DUPLICATES & COMPETES with local businesses like recreation, fitness, and child care. We CAN NOT AFFORD to lose businesses!

* EVERYONE should BENEFIT! No PERSON or BUSINESS should be HURT by the UNFAIR Use of Tax Dollars!

* Housing & Population Statistics Show Decline, NOT Growth in the WECRD Impact Area! BIG PROBLEM! (Tables 2 & 3)

* Market Study (2010) - Total Household (HH) estimate used "assumed a 40% growth!" (Market Study WECRD website & Table 4)

* 5 years later the Actual Household number is still less than the "Assumed Target HH by 779 Households! (8,948 -- 8,169 = -779 HH)!

* Why does the Household estimate matter? It is the NUMBER USED to estimate future membership and revenue!

* Who will be on the hook for financial shortfalls? WE the TAX PAYERS!

Table 1. WECRD -- Net Taxable Value by Year (2010 to 2014) DOWN, TAXES UP! (Source: Elmore County Assessor; June, 2015)




















In 2007 the WECRD (without public input) went from a flat fee ($34.50/household) to a mil levy that includes households AND added businesses.

The .0006 mil levy increased the WECRD tax dollars and alienated taxpayers!

Example: Under the flat fee: ($34.50 x 8,169 actual households = $281,831 in taxes

Instead, the WECRD collected -- about $200,000 MORE for 2014 alone!

WECRD now takes the maximum allowed by law in taxes from our community

Table 2. WECRD - Housing Trends -- New Home Construction DOWN!

​WECRD​ ​ 2000 to 2009 (10 years)​​​ 2010 to 2014 (5 years)​​​​​​Mountain Home ​1,135 new homes (avg. 114/yr.)​​146 new homes (avg. 29/yr.)​​​​​​​County ​+ 621 new homes (avg. 62/yr.)​​+61 new homes (avg. 12/yr.)

Total Growth ​ ​1,756 new homes added​​​207 new homes added (Source: City of Mountain Home, Building Permits; Elmore County Land Use and Building Department; June, 2015)

(Table 3.) Population & Housing -- Elmore County and Mountain Home (2010 to 2014) (Source: U.S. Census Bureau)

Population/Date​​​ Elmore County​​ Mountain Home

Population -- Census (April, 2010)​​​ ​27,038 ​​​14,206

Population Estimate (July, 2013) ​​​ 26,170 (-3.2%) ​​ 13,805 (-2.8%)​​​

Population Estimate 2014 ​​​​ 26,094 (-3.5%)​​​ x

(*March 26, 2015 the U.S. Census Bureau reported that Idaho's population was up 1.3%, the 9th strongest gain in the nation. Urban areas benefitted more than rural areas. Elmore County's population decreased by -0.2% from the previous year with a net migration (loss) of -338.)

Housing - (2010 to 2014) (Source: U.S. Census Bureau) Elmore County ​​Mountain Home

Housing Units (April, 2010)​​​​​12,162​​​ ​ 6,249

Housing Units (July, 2013)​​​​​12,115​​​​ x

Housing Occupancy (with people), 2010​​​10,140​​​​ x

Households Occupied, 2009-2013​​​​ 9,555​​​​ 5,372

Vacant Housing Units, 2010​​​ ​​ 2,022​​​​ x

Vacancy Rate, (Houses without people, 2010)​​ 16.6%​​​ x

(Table 4.) YMCA/CLDC 2010 Market Study Highlights (WECRD website):

- "The Total Household (HH) estimate assumes a 40% growth (equal to 1990's growth from the 2000 census)"

- The 2010 Assumed Target WECRD HH = 8,948 was inflated! The Actual 2010 WECRD HH = 7,650 (1,298 LESS!)

- Actual 2015 WECRD HH = 8,169 (still 779 Households less than anticipated) (Source: Elmore County Assessor's Office)

- The YMCA estimates it will cost $590,000/year to operate this facility; they expect 700 membership fees based on a high number

- These membership fees are estimated to generate $340,000/year in revenue (very unlikely)!

- An ANNUAL SHORTFALL OF $250,000/year must come from tax dollars and/or donations.

- These figures do not reflect the reduced membership fees for those requiring financial assistance (about 40% or > of YMCA members)!


WECRD - 15 years in existence; 13 years of taxation Without Recreation! - Stop the Madness!

06/28/2015 -- A public information handout with referral sources provided by "Stop the Madness"

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Tue, Jun 30, 2015, at 12:18 AM

P.S. you like the rest of the board seem to be a little late. Reminds me of the part of the chicken that sticks to the bottom of your boot.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Jun 29, 2015, at 10:24 PM


Considering all the wonderful things the WECRD has done to date, then why do they need a $5.1 Million Dollar Blg.??? If they would have just continued with the giving part, then all might be fine. This is about "3" against the County. The interesting aspect to this is that the "3" can use OUR money to defy US.....

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Jun 29, 2015, at 10:22 PM


Sorry for the late reply but...

I understand your frustration and concern. The recreational opportunities created by the WECRD include the RAFT program which were participant guided game nights like indoor basketball, volleyball, and games. The WECRD took buses full of kids to treasure valley rec centers for day trips, they held an annual kids fitness walk, a children's health fair, an annual adult fitness walk, they led a bi-weekly walking program, they held a judo program(apparently City Parks & Rec wouldn't take the lead on this), the Let's Play grant allowed them to give $72k to non-profit entities including the Elmore County Youth Baseball, Mountain Man Wrestling, Mountain Home Youth Soccer, Elmore County Girls Fast Pitch Softball, Special Olympics, Mountain Home Rugby, Mountain Home Arts Council, and Mountain Home Volleyball Club. They have also donated to the youth center and partnered with the school district and contributed $7k to the Mountain Home High School/Junior High Track, $10k for the Mountain Home High School Baseball/Softball indoor facility. $5k to the City of Mountain Home Desert Canyon Trail Project. It's my understanding that this information was presented at tonight's town hall meeting.

With that said, I believe firmly that the WECRD needs to step up their online game like their website and social media. In this day and age, there's no excuse to not be on it educating people. It would be worth the cost.

-- Posted by yoB on Mon, Jun 29, 2015, at 10:06 PM

YMCA- Y (your) M (money) C ( can) A (aide) ADA COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Jun 29, 2015, at 9:35 PM

The way these folks can side step questions, they show more athletic ability than the entire County they claim to represent. Is that a form of recreation? You tell me.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Jun 29, 2015, at 9:30 PM

I have stated several times that the current WECRD board is disconnected with the recreational needs of Elmore County and not qualified to administrate a Recreation District. Thanks for assuring me that I was correct in my thinking. What a disgrace tonight. School kid stuff.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Jun 29, 2015, at 9:24 PM


Agreed! Someone needs to do the right thing!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sun, Jun 28, 2015, at 5:03 PM

Even if the taxing district goes down in an election, the earnings alone from a $5 mil investment will keep this county DEEP in recreational opportunities for all, years and years to come.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Jun 28, 2015, at 1:42 PM


Well said. The continued flow of tax dollars could be HUGE for recreation for young and old for this community. Sorry to say, that with the current WECRD board your not even going to see an olive pit. The $5.1 mil. building is a joke, but under proper knowledgeable management, the potential is endless.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Jun 28, 2015, at 1:36 PM

Sit silently for one moment, allow the sun to set along the horizon and hear the birds chirp, but wait what's that? In the distance a bell rings softly at first, barely audible to most but slowly as more and more people come together the sound is nearly deafening! For what you hear today is the sound of freedom! The liberty bell rings out louder and louder with each signature, each person stepping forward and the numbers climb! 1,100 and still going strong! LET FREEDOM RING!!!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sun, Jun 28, 2015, at 8:59 AM

dudewheresmycar, Years ago Taco Bell made a HUGE FINANCIAL DECISION to remove the 3 olive slices from the Enchirito. These slices equaled one olive per Enchirito. Seems like it wouldn't make a difference, doesn't it? Taco Bell thought it was worth the cut to save the money, and let's face it... no one is hurting at Taco Bell. These taxes most certainly impact everyone, however, I agree that the main focus should be on the gross mismanagement of funds (I've seen their spending report and gross doesn't cover it) as well as the lack of recreation added to the community. The tax staying in place is not an issue with most people, but give the people at least one olive slice for their trouble.

-- Posted by Enzo the Baker on Sat, Jun 27, 2015, at 5:02 PM


I think you're interpreting that post completely wrong. No one is saying we don't want to be taxed for things, the point is we are being taxed incorrectly for things and double taxed in wrong ways. This all goes back to your statement Bout mismanagement of funds. I think it was a very valid concern to bring up, another example of this being about three people and not the community as a whole.

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Fri, Jun 26, 2015, at 11:27 PM

A little disappointed in a recent Facebook post by Stop the Madness. Property taxes are not an issue, they are minimal and have no affect on rents and goods/services purchased. The tax remaining in place would be a very good thing for Mountain Home under proper management. Management of tax dollars and lack of vision of recreational needs by the current board is the issue. Please do not lose your focus.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Jun 26, 2015, at 11:00 PM

"The question I asked was if the citizens of Mountain Home are taxed for recreation by the city, isn't it double taxation for the WECRD to come around and tax them again for recreation. Shouldn't there be a "donut hole" to exclude the city residents. This wasn't the answer I expected of course but it does raise some interesting thoughts. The real fun would start if they ever did build the building and didn't have the revenue because they are counting on their "facts" and not doing their due diligence.

The WECRD and the City cant be involved in the same project, double taxation for the same thing in the same year. Both cant donate to AFAD or pay for a membership for the chamber, double taxation for the same thing in the same year. The WECRD cant fix the track at the high school as the school district has already taxed the citizens of the school district for maintaining everything on school property, double taxation for the same thing in the same year. This is why the WECRD should've been doing their own projects all along. Its possible that a fee for using this facility would fall under double taxation as well. Not only are you paying to build the building but then the limited number that can use the building have to pay again. Parks and Rec programs couldn't be run out of the Taj Mahal were it to be built because that would be double taxation as well. Or quadruple taxation if you figure that a city resident is taxed for Parks and Rec, taxed by the WECRD to build the place, taxed to use the bulding, and taxed forever going forward to keep it afloat. Debt free? Hardly. This would be an albatross hung around this communities neck forever.

Naysayers or realists? Who're the only folks putting documents out and stating facts to back them up? We are. Who're counting on rainbows and giggledrops with sprinkles of poetry and tears for the children? They are. You can choose to be emotional about this, or realistic."


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Fri, Jun 26, 2015, at 9:14 PM


While I think this may be an alternative to dissolution I'm thinking that perhaps this ship has sailed? Who would want to take on the endeavor now? Lots of bad ties there! We need to restore faith in our community and UNITE!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Fri, Jun 26, 2015, at 1:03 AM

These folks are referring to themselves as the WECRD. They are not the WECRD. The WECRD is an entity in itself. They are merely the leadership of the WECRD. The leadership needs an overhaul, not the WECRD.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jun 25, 2015, at 5:48 PM


It is not the WECRD that needs to go. It is the current leadership. Those supporting the current leadership should now what they will receive. An over priced building that can't sustain itself, that will ultimately end up with the County Commissioners any way. I would rather give them the responsibility of 4 million cash dollars than a useless building that can't support itself. A knowledgeable group of locals can be put together to decide the fate of the $$. They would be much more in touch with the recreational needs of our district.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jun 25, 2015, at 5:46 PM

We are at Carl Miller come on and sign!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Thu, Jun 25, 2015, at 11:08 AM


Don't forget the WECRD meeting on June 29th 5:30 in the High School Gym.

The WECRD will take questions however they have to be written.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Jun 25, 2015, at 10:02 AM

WECRD board step down.......Hah....and lose those high paying jobs.....haven't heard much from them until these petitions started being signed. Now that monstrosity is being threatened and they have plenty to say. The whole thing isn't what was voted for to start with. All it has done is collect money, waste it on studies and wages and collect more. Needs to be done away with.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Jun 25, 2015, at 7:14 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen WE ARE IN THE HOME STRETCH! LET'S BRING THIS THING HOME!!!!! Anyone ready to start going door to door? Ready to have a petition at your business? Ready to sit in the shade in the park and have people come to you? READY TO GIVE OUR COMMUNITY A VOICE???

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Jun 24, 2015, at 10:39 PM

I'll say it one more time anyway. The WECRD board needs to step down before the taxing district is dissolved. The community has lost all faith in your leadership. If recreational taxing district goes away, it will all rest on your shoulders. If you really care about the community as you say, lets get a new board appointed and negotiate this going on the ballot.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Jun 24, 2015, at 9:20 PM

-"Meanwhile, Borgholthaus said that even if the district does dissolve, those backing the petition will have no say in how those funds are spent by the county. However, those supporting a community recreation center know exactly what they'll receive."

Doesn't this speak volumes? The petition supporters are SO disgusted with the way WECRD has handled the communities money that they (including myself) feel very strongly that giving the money over to the county commissioners office without a guarantee of what will happen is still such a better option that leaving it in the hands of these less than trustworthy 3 women, one who was appointed then rel-elected because no one seemed to care, one who was elected, and one who was appointed by the other two. Just look at the financial reports available on the Stop the madness page for 60 seconds and then you will find that decision to look at this with a magnifying glass is quite clear. It is shocking to me that authorities are not looking into this closer. May be they are, everyone should.

-- Posted by Enzo the Baker on Wed, Jun 24, 2015, at 2:54 PM

If you missed this last night on the channel 7 news here you go


-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Jun 24, 2015, at 1:40 PM


I see there is a meeting about the WECRD Monday 29 June at 5:30 in MHHS gym. Cam you post on your calendar?

-- Posted by gmoney on Wed, Jun 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews:
yes, we get it posted here shortly.

To Clear something up

If you sign the petition it doesn't dissolve WECRD What it does it will give the community a chance to decide if they want to proceed with the building of the Recreation Facility or get rid of it. In order to let the community decide we need signatures.

If we get enough signatures it will be placed on the ballot in November for our community to decide the future of it.

If its a go and once built it will go into the hands of the YMCA.

When the district was first formed the voters voted for an indoor pool. Once the YMCA was brought in they did a survey and said Mountain Home didn't have enough population for an indoor pool so that was kicked out. We will not get an indoor or an outdoor pool.

If its a go we will pay the YMCA dollars plus we will have to have money to maintain it, hire employees.

We have already been paying YMCA $85,000 a year for what? We have nothing to show.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Jun 24, 2015, at 10:52 AM


For the life of me I cannot find what recreational opportunities the WECRD has provided. Any chance you could post up some good links/info?

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Jun 23, 2015, at 11:40 AM

More Reading


-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Jun 23, 2015, at 10:16 AM

Sad they would stoop to this level, check it out for yourself:


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Mon, Jun 22, 2015, at 10:19 PM

"Last night I received messages from Rachelle Ruffing Director of the Western Elmore County Recreation District (WECRD). First we need to clarify that we have never given or offered discounts to sign this petition as claimed by Rachelle Ruffing . Below is that exchange in its entirety. My wife was rather upset about the messages we received and posted vaguely about the situation. As a business owner for nearly 17 years in this community, it was disturbing to have an "appointed official" speak the way she did to me and about my business while she acted in her official capacity as a Director for the WECRD. I fully support the rights of the people of our community to express their wants through voting as that is our freedom and therefore the petition is in my business. We have deep roots in this community and deeply care about our community. We have raised 3 children here and have been also blessed with grandchildren. It deeply saddens us that after 15 years, this is where we are. If people choose not to support our store because we have tried to give the wonderful people of this community a choice---then I guess that is the cost of doing the right thing. Should you have any questions about these events, please feel free to contact me. We love our community! We Thank-you for your business and look forward to serving in the future.."

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Mon, Jun 22, 2015, at 9:35 PM

The gal that told the Sears store in Mountain Home that she was going to take her business to Boise because he supports a vote on the WECRD is most likely not bluffing. She has already sent two of here children to attend Bishop Kelly High School in Boise. Stop the Madness- Facebook. Interesting.. She did the same with MHSD and followed through. YEAH

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Jun 22, 2015, at 8:40 PM

Remember you must be a registered Voter and live in the District to sign the petition. If you aren't a registered voter we will have registrations cards available for you to fill out and turn into the courthouse

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Jun 22, 2015, at 11:07 AM

We need your signatures. I will be at the park on Saturdays to get your signature. We will be located across from Kurly's on the corner.

I have flyers to hand out. You can take them home and read and pass onto your Neighbors.

Also if you hear any rumors about stores with the petition giving discounts if you sign, it is only a rumor. No truth to it.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Jun 22, 2015, at 10:55 AM

Montague28's comment echos my comment on defining the scale of your project so it is sustainable at a local level using membership fees as well as grants and donations as the primary source of revenue, and tax money as a last resort will garner much more community support.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Jun 21, 2015, at 8:09 AM


You seem to be a little out of touch here. You wouldn't be on the WECRD board would you? Any comments on the topic at hand. It really does not matter which political party you support.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Jun 20, 2015, at 6:54 PM

Why not something similar to this in Mountain Home, do we really need a full size gymnasium as part of the WECRD plan?



-- Posted by Dan Eilers on Sat, Jun 20, 2015, at 3:49 PM

Good article Marilyn. Nugent is an idiot. Kind of related to that, Andy Borowitz had a few things to say about a gene for failure being passed down through the Bush family: George Bush, George W. Bush, and Jeb Bush.

June 15, 2015

Scientists Believe They Have Isolated Gene for Failure

By Andy Borowitz

MINNEAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report)--Geneticists at the University of Minnesota believe that they have isolated the gene that makes some people much more prone to failure than others.

While the research is preliminary, the scientists said that they were able to successfully identify the failure gene by studying the DNA of males in two generations of the same American family.

"If we have indeed isolated the gene that makes people fail--and we believe we have--all of the subjects in our study are carriers," said Davis Logsdon, the geneticist who supervised the research.

According to Logsdon, those who carry the gene for failure have "absolutely no idea that they have it" and thus project the confidence and self-assurance of people whose genetic material does not make them likely to wreak havoc on a massive scale.

"Not only does this gene cause people to fail, it makes them fail to understand that they have failed," he said. "It is a really bad gene."

While scientists have not yet found a cure for the failure gene, they consider isolating it a major breakthrough in itself.

"Once we identify someone as a carrier of this gene, we can try to keep him out of situations where he might do great harm to others," Logsdon said.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Jun 20, 2015, at 7:08 AM

Check out Facebook Stop the Madness Now.

WOW!!! It's standing room only now. AS mentioned earlier, only the WECRD Board can make this go away. Do the right thing. There really needs to be a change in leadership.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Jun 19, 2015, at 10:42 PM

This isn't even the same ball game. Previously, the Board was playing there game in an empty stadium. Well now it's a sold out ball game. The seats are full and everyone is watching. Even those that previously had no opinion on the management of the WECRD are watching. You might call them bad weather fans. A packed house is calling for a change in coaching staff.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Jun 19, 2015, at 6:13 PM


Then why do you think Mrs. Marsh continues to be re-elected to the board?

-- Posted by yoB on Fri, Jun 19, 2015, at 12:50 PM

Something everyone needs to realize is, this is not about the WECRD District, recreation for our community, or the taxes. It is about the negligent leadership in providing the District a feasible direction. The financials speak for themselves. We desperately need a change in leadership now to save the district.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Jun 19, 2015, at 12:35 PM


The leadership of the WECRD has failed the tax payers of this County horribly. As I see it, they need to step down to make room for new leadership.

This seems to be the only way the WECRD will remain in tact. Is the current board willing to hand the ship over to the tax payers so that it may continue to sail, or are they going to remain aboard and watch it sink. It is ultimately their call and responsibility.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Jun 19, 2015, at 12:23 PM


And the County is in touch? At least the WECRD has created recreational opportunities other than 4-h. (Nothing wrong with 4-h, but not everyone has a ranch if you know what I mean)

I noticed ForOurKids ignored my concerns about their efforts to dissolve the WECRD. I'm not trying to be the WECRD'S white horse, I just have concerns with the current effort to dissolve and I'd really hate to see all of the money and effort go to waste away with unsustainable programs and upgrades. And contrary to what some may have you believe, the county most certainly would not build a facility if dissolution happens. If they were going to, they would have been much more involved in the last 15 years(I know I've already stated this, but I'd like to reinforce my claim that went without argument).

-- Posted by yoB on Fri, Jun 19, 2015, at 4:59 AM

750 of the 1457 we need. That's right fans of liberty and justice we are over half way to putting this thing on the ballot. We've only been at this for about three weeks. Naysayers? I think not. How about we're the yaysayers? The ones that believe in the process set forth to deal with dysfunctional government and give the voters a voice. Who's closer than ever now!!!!

It's all due to every one of you that has went and collected signatures, shared this page, registered voters, shared the facts with your friends and neighbors, and given so much of your time and effort to this. Let's keep it going and finish this part of the process.

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Thu, Jun 18, 2015, at 8:17 PM

Today is a new day with new opportunities! Anything is possible if we stand together! Let me clear something up again the petition signatures get the WECRD back on the ballot. From there it becomes a vote of to dissolve or not to dissolve! Let's give people their voice! 15 years is a long time to not have a voice of where your tax dollars are going or will be going, let's change that today!


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Mon, Jun 15, 2015, at 7:40 AM

It's just amazing, that with all the knowledgeable resources available to us locally in Mountain Home, the WECRD board seeks advice from Boise companies. Hint. They see you coming, care nothing about Mountain Home, and take their profits back to Boise.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Jun 13, 2015, at 2:59 PM

It seems that now you folks have ball rolling! Good for you! Keep up the good work!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Jun 13, 2015, at 2:39 PM

The WECRD board is very out of touch with the "recreational needs" of Western Elmore County. For Heavens sake on of them has sent her daughter to school at Bishop Kelly to play sports (recreation maybe?) and attend school. When this district was formed that child was one year of age. It seems they seek to duplicate programs already offered by the City and private business here in town. They have failed to recognize the recreational needs of this community. As a Government Agency, they seek to go into direct competition with private business of Mountain Home. I saw the drawing of the proposed building. A little dressed up for Mountain Home I believe. A lot of $$ being budgeted toward "look" rather than being functional and getting the most for our tax dollar. A good part of one of their meetings discussing accent colors of paint etc. REALLY!!! These folks need to be stopped now, the recreational needs for Mountain Home identified, and progress made. I feel this needs to be done without dissolving the Rec District, but rather get rid of the current leadership. They have failed the tax payers of Mountain Home.

I won't even get into the line items on their profit and loss details. Completely out of touch.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Jun 13, 2015, at 1:28 PM


There's a lot of things we didn't know when we voted for this. We didn't know it was going to take 15-20 years before they broke ground.

We didn't know that the indoor pool was going to be kicked out and the YMCA brought in.

We didn't know they would be paying the YMCA yearly before we even broke ground. (85,000)

We didn't know that if it does get built, homeowners will still be taxed. This will be ongoing.

This facility will never stand alone and its going to cost taxpayers money to maintain it.

Homeowners will have to buy a club card to use it.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Jun 13, 2015, at 1:08 PM

The numbers for WECRD budget have always been suspect but nobody in authority cared and still don't. In 2013 they have over $2 million in savings but muster $2,000 for interest, that equates to .001 rate.

They pay $1000.00 a month for web site that was infrequently updated. Thousands to family friends to research made up legal and accounting issues. This is from their budgets, who knows what the actual amounts paid are?

I signed the petition and regret voting for the implementation of it years ago.

-- Posted by gmoney on Sat, Jun 13, 2015, at 10:56 AM

Good Morning Joe

Yes I notice the article was fiction, but it doesn't change my opinion of the guy. Lol!!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Jun 13, 2015, at 10:53 AM


Article date March 2014 and did you notice that is a satirical site? Almost as good as Borowitz site....lol

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Fri, Jun 12, 2015, at 1:50 PM

I always thought he had a screw loose


-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Jun 12, 2015, at 10:55 AM

Every time I leave my house I will have a petition with me. So if you know me and want to sign and you see me just mention PETITION and Bingo Its a done deal

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Jun 12, 2015, at 10:31 AM

4Kid, :):)

Go to the Stop the Madness facebook. Check out the WERD financial report. Look a little funny?

Yeah, me too. Maybe a couple of strange line items in the balance sheet to make it balance?

????????????? I may be a slight suspicious, but why would I not be???????????

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jun 11, 2015, at 10:21 PM

I want to take the time to clear up some things that have been said about me (that didn't take long to give them something to talk about). First let me tell you I am not a "troublemaker," a "crybaby," "vindictive," "self-centered" or anything else you may want to say about me. I will tell you what I am though. I am a mother of four beautiful boys, a homeowner, a disabled vet, an advocate, a guardian, a Psych major and a true friend. I volunteer a good 30-50 hours a week every week in one capacity or another, and 99% of the time by boys are by my side. None of this is relevant to what we are doing here, and when I say WE it truly is we. I may have written the petition and I may have started the page, but I am by far not doing this alone. It is important for people to know this is NOT personal. I became aware of an issue and I decided something needed to be changed, and I started researching, I have been researching for over a year now behind the scenes and even tried volunteering to help the cause at one point. When I found that people felt this was wrong in the same ways I was seeing I decided to do something. I am just an average Joe like every one of you and I think the most important thing we can remember is it only takes an average Joe to make a difference, even the smallest of people can make a difference this is our freedom and our right! You can think what you want about me, you can be completely against me and that is OK because that is your right! However, just because you don't see eye to eye with me you will not hear me disrespect you, talk down to you or treat you as though I am better than you because truly I am just me! Thank you to everyone who is helping in these efforts, and thank you for doing the right thing!

Also, please when you are commenting about the WECRD that we don't make it personal because this is NOT about that. Thank you!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Thu, Jun 11, 2015, at 9:48 PM

Shout out to those who are heading this get rid of the WECRD. Remember its not that we don't want a facility its that we don't want the wasting of the money and not having anything to show for it.

On another subject, When will our Sheriff be retiring and does anyone know who plans on running for Sheriff, besides the obvious. Thanks

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Thu, Jun 11, 2015, at 1:55 PM



To my knowledge, the only recreation run by the county is 4-H. If they were interested in building a facility, wouldn't they have been more involved in the last 15 years? Why are petition drivers out saying, "commissioners are required to build a facility within two years of dissolution?"

That was one person's interpretation of what petition supporter stated and there was a huge debate on a FB page over it. The person that heard it told the petitioner that they had no clue what they said and called them a few names to include liar. The petitioner admitted they might have said something similar but not those exact words. Why is the WECRD saying they are close when they still need $600K in funds? Why are they saying that they want all the money in hand and then in the next breath say if they have it in pledges, the construction can begin? Isn't that counting your chickens before they hatch? Why have the few WECRD took to bullying tactics and have not presented facts or data to contradict what those behind the petition have presented?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Jun 11, 2015, at 5:18 AM


To my knowledge, the only recreation run by the county is 4-H. If they were interested in building a facility, wouldn't they have been more involved in the last 15 years? Why are petition drivers out saying, "commissioners are required to build a facility within two years of dissolution?"

-- Posted by yoB on Wed, Jun 10, 2015, at 11:59 PM

Thank you dudewheresmycar! I really appreciate that, but it is my pleasure!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Tue, Jun 9, 2015, at 10:56 PM

Just got done reading the latest and greatest on the WECRD and the petition. It was a very well written article that showed both sides and I would like to thank you for that Brian. However I would also like to point out a few things that although reported to Brian I wonder if these are actually factual.

-The number for how much has been raised has been changed again. Also pointing out that there is not actually the $212k in the bank account at this time. There is only $41k, and for some reason the Y staffer has had $26k of this money in her "pocket" for quite a while now.

-"Meanwhile, Borgholthaus said that even if the district does dissolve, those backing the petition will have no say in how those funds are spent by the county. However, those supporting a community recreation center know exactly what they'll receive." I must say to this, do we really know what our money is spent on right now? I am not sure that is an accurate statement especially when Mayor Rist states: "I'd be getting in front of it. I'd be talking to all the media. I'd be on the social media explaining where the money is going, why it's taking so long.....and where is the end site on this thing?" Do you think that sounds like the community is involved? Would the Mayor state that because they are doing a stand up job letting the community know what is going on?

-Fact-I met with the commissioners and from what I recall in grade school elected officials are the voice of the people. I have the utmost faith the County Commissioners will use the money in a way that benefits our community!

-Tom Rist also emphasized that neither the cit nor the county have any jurisdiction over the recreation district since it was established as an independent taxing district......perhaps therein lies the problem.

-Why do the quotes from the WECRD look very familiar to what we have seen since forever? "CLOSER THAN EVER!"

Once again thank you Brian for the article!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Tue, Jun 9, 2015, at 10:33 PM

For Kids,

I want to say how much I appreciate your hard work and dedication. Keeping my ears open the last couple of days, I think this movement is even larger than you expected. Keep up the hard work, and I will spread the word when I can. As tax payers, lets get the check book back, get with the County Commissioners,come up with a feasible plan, and get something done.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Jun 9, 2015, at 8:37 PM

Their attitude is common among well entrenched politicians, or so it seems. Remember when the voters of this state voted for term limits only to be over ridden by the very people they wanted to term out? Time for tar and feathers perhaps???

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Jun 9, 2015, at 6:48 PM

Strange thing happened today. Several citizens figured out that the Western Elmore County Recreation District had a Facebook page. This was discovered when one of the board members asked for support from the community. Prior to last night, the most recent post was from 2012. Several citizens, TAXPAYERS, went on the page and asked questions since they could not make the last no-notice meeting. How did someone from the WECRD respond? They removed the page. They claim to want to hear from the taxpayers but in truth, they only want to hear from you if you are in total agreement with their thoughts. One board member has joined the FB page that is for dissolution of the WECRD. While they might not be providing accurate information, at least they are seeing what is posted and at least responding. Wonder why the WECRD refuses to listen to anything contrary to the boards wishes? I thought they are a public entity and are here to serve the entire public. Guess not !!!

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Tue, Jun 9, 2015, at 4:55 PM

We are over 20% of the way through! We have over 300 signatures in 9 days! Contact me today to find out where and when you can get your name on the petition! 208-598-5387


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Tue, Jun 9, 2015, at 9:52 AM


Any insight on educating the community better would be greatly appreciated! Maybe we can put on an event!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Sun, Jun 7, 2015, at 12:57 PM

If we really want to get rid of this WECRD taxing entity, a lot more effort needs to be put into educating the voters and get those petitions signed. After all, that's how it all got started. I don't know why so many were duped into believing something that extravagant would ever grace the fields of Mountain Home. I have previously signed those petitions but apparently there were not enough people interested because nothing came of it, just like the rec district. We've been paying for studies, wages, and bare land for years now. At least the rec district should have continued leasing the land to some farmers and made some revenue from it. As it is......all it does is grow weeds and pay some farmer to plow them under. I'll be there to sign once again and hopefully, so will 1999 or more others. The mayor and his cronies endorse this fiasco......maybe they need studied too. Have a good day people......

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Jun 7, 2015, at 7:56 AM

According to Marsh, the WECRD reduced the size of the building from 33,000 sq ft to 23,000 sq ft. to save money. Unfortunately the decrease of 10,000 sq ft (30% reduction in size) did not reduce the cost at all for this 5 million dollar building or the need to continue the capital campaign for $850,000. Go figure! (Check the WECRD website for more information).

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Fri, Jun 5, 2015, at 11:34 PM

Them dern studies cost $$$$$. Next thing you know, they'll want too have a study to have a study.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Jun 5, 2015, at 2:56 PM

If there is only $2.8 million in construction savings according to their budget. WHERE IS THE REST OF OUR TAX DOLLARS? On a beach in Mexico.

-- Posted by gmoney on Fri, Jun 5, 2015, at 2:25 PM

Just saw the article from the Statesman. I agree with the Mayor. Something needs to be done. The WECRD folks seem to always have their sights on spending more money than they have with no particular direction. If this project is to move forward, they must be relieved of their duties, and the County Commissioners placed in charge. We can then get useful information from the community and build something that is feasible and sustainable. Dissolving the WECRD does not mean that a center will not be built. It will just be a needed change of management. As far as the Councilman, it appears he speaks with forked tongue.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Jun 5, 2015, at 7:47 AM

It's nice to see you folks of MH getting worked up over something you can actually do something about! That said, should you actually manage to shut down the monster and gain control of the money, I would place it in a trust account until you can come to terms with what ever entity you place your trust in. Once the terms are in writing, then release the money. This isn't chump change, this is millions.

Thanks for listening.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Jun 5, 2015, at 5:20 AM

We are making huge head way, but will be making a lot more when we see you Saturday at Railroad park! We will be on the side of the Farmer's market where yard sale items are set up! Facing the street! We plan to be there from 8-12 and we plan to see YOU!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Thu, Jun 4, 2015, at 10:54 PM

Ready to sign?

Petition Summary: The Homeowners of Elmore County have been taxed by WECRD for over 15 years..

We would like to see this taxing District dissolve.

. The Community of Mountain Home voted for a pool and an arena where the community could enjoy various functions and events.. When will we see a date for a ground breaking Ceremony?

Mountain Home has the potential to offer extensive amounts of recreation that promotes healthy living, keeps kids off the street, and encourages community togetherness with the money that has been collected over the years and by waiting longer could only mean there will be more money wasted on salaries, surveys, outrageously priced office supplies and more.

We have a chance to change the lives of many by dissolving this Recreation District now and allot the money to the "public recreation purposes within the County."

Please stand with us!

Thank you

There are several businesses behind us, to find out where they are visit our facebook page:


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Thu, Jun 4, 2015, at 10:46 PM

I absolutely agree with the notion of dissolving the WECRD. For attorneys to say it it is too late to go back now because it would be a waste of money is a joke. I look at the WECRD like Social Security. I am not counting on social security as part of my retirement. I would be more than happy to let Social Security keep every dime collected from me up to this point if I had the option to donate all of that with the condition that I no longer have to contribute going forward. I am not counting on Social security, I will be fine without it, so please quit making me donate towards it. Same with WECRD, although they are a much bigger rat hole than social security. It seems to be blatant in your face mismanagement of funds, cryptic meeting dates and agendas, and a total disregard of public opinion or any sense of accountability.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Thu, Jun 4, 2015, at 10:44 PM

Dissolve the WECRD District, give the money to the Commissioners, and lets get something useful built. WECRD please accept the fact mis-management has caused this district to fail. Lets move on.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jun 4, 2015, at 4:56 PM

Ms.M, I can bet that there 2 former posters who can't believe their eyes. One old liberal and one old progressive opposing a useless, wasteful tax devouring government operation. :)

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Jun 4, 2015, at 2:31 PM

Friday, January 1, 2010

Debate over the future of the Western Elmore County Recreation District was at the head of the list of the top ten stories in Elmore County during 2009.

Based on the amount of coverage provided, the number of letters to the editor generated, and the "buzz" on the street, few stories generated as much debate as the WECRD did.

Under heavy fire at the start of the year for a community center plan that district opponents thought was unrealistic, the WECRD moved to enter into a partnership with the Treasure Valley YMCA to obtain an independent analysis of its future, a move that stalled the momentum of the district's opponents. The locally based Community Leadership Development Council, which is conducting the analysis, is expected to make a recommendation next year.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Jun 4, 2015, at 12:42 PM

WECRD 2014-2015 Budget


-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Jun 4, 2015, at 12:31 PM

The WECRD has said the same rhetoric over and over and over. Way back when, it was decided to do studies to determine if it was sustainable. It was not. Then, paid thousands of dollars to do more studies to see if it was sustainable with the Y. Then more studies, and more thousands, to determine what each individual/family would have to pay to use it and keep it going. When each study determined it was not sustainable by itself because fees would be too high, they would do another study.

Land was purchased that was in a flood zone and that was paid a premium for. A ton of money more than what it should have cost if I understand this all correctly.

Meeting times are changed at will and this has gone on forever and ever. I know, as when we tried to attend meetings in the past, the times were always being changed with no notice/same day, just like now.

We had to pay for copies of meeting minutes and any copies of their budgets we wanted. In the beginning many people assumed their children could use this facility. Not so. When this started I had children at home, now not even my grandchildren are able to use it. My oldest grandchild will grad from high school in two years. Give that a long hard thought.

Is there even anything concrete out there now that says EXACTLY what is going to be within this facility and that is a firm concrete no change plan?

I believe this is a program that will become useless, will stay useless, and eventually become such a tax burden with worn out building and facility, with such high use fees that eventually will sit empty and become a nuisance for this town. All the while, the main office will still have their payroll and office fees, phones, and whatever still being paid for by the taxpayer. What a sham.

-- Posted by midea on Thu, Jun 4, 2015, at 9:24 AM


I couldn't have said it better myself!

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Jun 3, 2015, at 9:35 PM

Excuse me. Pay for copies of documents from a public agency? Changing meeting dates with no public notice? Seems you folks have created a monster with a never ending thirst for power! While the district may have seemed like a good idea at the time, sounds like it's time for it to go!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Jun 3, 2015, at 3:12 PM

As for when the WECRD has meetings, that is a hot topic. The Board at first said the 2nd Wednesday of the month but that last a few months, then they changed it to the 3rd Wednesday of the month but this month changed it to the same day with just a few hours notice. Their answer is that you have to check for a notice in the window of their office for when the meetings will be. As for the facility, the pool was deemed not feasible and removed. If you want copies of any plans or studies, you have to go to the office and pay for copies.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Jun 3, 2015, at 2:58 PM

Just a few numbers from an outsider. In 2008 it cost 13.5 million to build the Caldwell Y, and Caldwell had a population of roughly 42,000. that is $337.50 for every man, woman and child. Your Y at a cost of 6.2 million works out to 476.92 for every man, woman and child. Do the numbers! Ask another question. How do they plan on supporting this facility? While having a Y sounds great, the cost seems to break the bank. Has anyone done a study to find the cost of building, managing and maintaining a local facility consisting of a rec. center that serves young and old alike, as well as a suitable pool for the very young as well as a pool for the older kids and adults. Exactly what support is there for a facility I just described? How much will it cost the property owners in taxes every year? Is there enough support from the business community to volunteer their skills in management to keep the cost managing this facility down?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Jun 3, 2015, at 11:18 AM

For those who are interested in knowing what the WECRD Meetings are about...........Here's a link


The Month of May is not on their website

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Jun 3, 2015, at 10:32 AM


That's exactly right! Some forget that elected officials are the people's voice, not their own voice. The people have spoken! Feel free to sign the petition on Saturday at Railroad Park across from Kurly's 8-12.

-- Posted by ForOurKids on Wed, Jun 3, 2015, at 8:25 AM

It appears that if the WECRD is dissolved, the County Commissioners are placed in charge of the money. The WECRD attorney feels this would be flushing the money??? NO, more like stopping the bleeding.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Jun 3, 2015, at 7:24 AM

Here is what the petition to dissolve the WECRD states:

Petition Summary: The Homeowners of Elmore County have been taxed by WECRD for over 15 years..

We would like to see this taxing District dissolve.

. The Community of Mountain Home voted for a pool and an arena where the community could enjoy various functions and events.. When will we see a date for a ground breaking Ceremony?

Mountain Home has the potential to offer extensive amounts of recreation that promotes healthy living, keeps kids off the street, and encourages community togetherness with the money that has been collected over the years and by waiting longer could only mean there will be more money wasted on salaries, surveys, outrageously priced office supplies and more.

We have a chance to change the lives of many by dissolving this Recreation District now and allot the money to the "public recreation purposes within the County."

Please stand with us!

Thank you

We will have various times, places and dates to sign the petition available. Saturday we will be at Railroad park across the street from Kurly's! Remember we are THE people!

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Want to keep up on the information check out our fb group STOP THE MADNESS NOW!


-- Posted by ForOurKids on Tue, Jun 2, 2015, at 8:58 PM

Try again! http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/30592098...

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Jun 2, 2015, at 8:40 PM


WECRD News story!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Jun 2, 2015, at 8:34 PM

WECRD made the news on KBOI 2 today!!! How great is that? A true news story on the last 15 years of NOTHING!!!!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Jun 2, 2015, at 8:29 PM

Nice job Ms. Lauric. Find out what we can do with the money, and get rid of it. Lets get an honest answer on what can be done with the money and then proceed. Waste of time and money. Leave the tax in place, re-name it, and lets get the school situation fixed. The whole dang thing is just to wild to believe.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Jun 2, 2015, at 8:26 PM

I know, but thinking of that Camel in that commercial is too funny. The big raise in property taxes for December 2015, not so funny. A little more weight added to the wagon we must tow.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Jun 2, 2015, at 4:01 PM

dude, I thought you were going to give it a rest.

It's no secret that there are those who abuse the program, but they are far outnumbered by the truly needy whose survival hinges on this program. Are some changes needed in the program? Absolutely! Look at my previous post to see my views on public assistance.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Jun 2, 2015, at 7:29 AM


-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Jun 1, 2015, at 9:08 AM

ar, you haven't been paying attention to some of the things that I have said in the past. I believe in a hand up, not a hand out, workfare, not welfare. I was raised LDS, there is almost always something a person can do to contribute to society in order to earn their keep. Does that surprise you? I detest dishonest politicians. I detest those who use their power to keep their boot on the neck of others for their own personal enrichment. I believe in each member of society contributing to the well being of society according to their means. I believe in equal rights for every single member of this society without regard to their age, sex, national origin, religion, disability or sexual orientation. I believe in the golden rule. If you speak down to a person, then you deserve to being talked down to. If you judge others, expect to be judged.

There's more, but I'll give you some time to digest what I've posted.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, May 21, 2015, at 5:49 PM

I can't believe a liberal would have the fortitude to even mention picking the tax payers pockets!!! everyone deserves health care, everyone deserves a place to live, everyone deserves to eat good, everyone deserves a cell phone, everyone deserves. What happened to earning

-- Posted by always right on Thu, May 21, 2015, at 2:41 PM

Understood Brenda. My bad.

So joe, do you have an opinion on the "special session" that picked the taxpayers pocket?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, May 21, 2015, at 8:10 AM
Response by Brenda Fincher:
No bad sir, just took a detour! Have a good one, B :)

Thank you. I think it's all cleared up now. Anything political here. Have a wonderful day. That will include election reminders. We do make sure that type of information are articles in our publications. Thank you all for your comments.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Thu, May 21, 2015, at 7:01 AM

I considered my post to be civic in nature. You took it as political.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, May 21, 2015, at 6:47 AM

"ALL comments of a political nature are to be placed in the Political Forum. Placing political opinions in other spaces will be deleted unless specifically relevant to a posted story."

The above means exactly what R2C?

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, May 21, 2015, at 6:35 AM

Well joe, I took the note from Brenda the day before to mean the discussions about the school board election, not the next general election. People stopped coming here here due to the hostile environment caused by certain people who have since been banned. I stand by my statement that those who can't articulate their position, attack others.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, May 20, 2015, at 5:41 PM

Just a short note to everyone. Come the next general election, do your homework and see who drew per diem, travel and lodging money from YOU because of the special session fiasco now going on in Boise! They already got paid to do their job for this year!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Mon, May 18, 2015, at 12:55 PM

Please take the upcoming election discussion to the political corner set aside strictly for threads of this nature. Thank you.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Sun, May 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM

R2C, cry/whine if you will. Still does not justify the fact you simply ignored a request from management. That is the only defense here.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, May 20, 2015, at 9:25 AM

When I posted this in the banter box it was a meant as a reminder to all the voters to pay attention to the actions and votes of their representatives.

"Just a short note to everyone. Come the next general election, do your homework and see who drew per diem, travel and lodging money from YOU because of the special session fiasco now going on in Boise! They already got paid to do their job for this year!"

Rather than ask for clarification or make a comment about the subject of the post, joe_smoe chose to make a personal attack. Why is it that when some folks on the right find it impossible to defend their position they resort to personal attacks?

The long and short of the need for a special session was that a group of representatives abdicated their responsibility to the children of Idaho who receive child support from an absent parent who resides in another state or nation. Their reasoning for this action? either sharia law or federal overreach, take your pick. Had the state not come into compliance with the treaty, all a deadbeat parent would have to do is simply move out of Idaho and they could successfully evade child support payments because the state would no longer have free access to the federal database that tracks orders and the location of the parents subject to those orders.

The real reason appears to be that they were simply pandering to the lowest common denominator. Those who see government takeover, martial law and Muslim terrorist in every dark shadow, or around every corner. I'm sure that every single representative who sunk this measure in the regular session and who tried again in the special session will draw their per diem, travel and lodging checks with no remorse for picking the taxpayers pocket!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, May 20, 2015, at 9:09 AM

Some more fun with Jeb Bush via Andy Borowitz from the New Yorker. This is reference to some of the really stupid comments that Bush has made on the campaign trail. It makes me wonder if George Bush the first had any intelligent children?

May 14, 2015

Bush Says Iraq Question Unimportant Since He Clearly Will Never Be President

By Andy Borowitz

TEMPE, ARIZONA (The Borowitz Report)--After several days of controversy over whether he would have authorized an invasion of Iraq, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush said on Thursday that the question was unimportant since it is now painfully clear that he will never be President.

"Look, I can understand people wanting to know where I stand on this Iraq business if I actually had a chance of being elected," he told an audience in Arizona. "But since I've pretty much pissed that away, what's the point, really?"

Bush urged those who sought out his opinion on policy matters to take a look at how poorly his campaign is going "and get a reality check about the odds of me ever being President, which are hovering in the vicinity of zero."

"I'm tied with Ben Carson in the polls, folks," he said. "You heard me. Ben-freaking-Carson. A neurosurgeon. If you're running in a Republican primary and can't beat a scientist, you might as well put a fork in it."

When asked by a reporter what he would do to grow the economy, Bush laughed ruefully and said, "Well, I guess if I said that I'd do exactly what my brother did and drive the whole thing straight into the crapper, you folks would have a field day with that, wouldn't you? But let's get serious. You want an answer to that question, ask someone who actually has a chance at winning this damn thing. I'm sure Scott Walker would love to talk to you good people."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, May 18, 2015, at 6:25 PM

dude, I would worry more about the Republican budget hawks when it comes to the base. They are determined to cut the military budget.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, May 13, 2015, at 4:47 PM

Not closing, but being so scaled back. Military spending is what makes this community roll. It doesn't help that so many of the higher pay grades choose to live in Boise due to the quality of our schools. And unlike what one of the School Board candidates suggested that it was to "party", I don't see it. If you live in District / Zone 5, do our community a favor and vote for a change of leadership.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, May 12, 2015, at 7:49 PM

dude, if you're talking about the base closing, that will be up to the military and congress. It has always been on the radar. Of course given the attitudes of some of your residents towards Muslims and the LGBT community, that just makes it all the harder to keep the base open. Lesson here, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, May 12, 2015, at 6:10 PM

I'm sure they will find the room. Folks should really start taking elections seriously. Another Democratic candidate elected to office, and the future of Mountain Home's economy is in serious trouble with little hope of recovery. We locals really need to consider what puts food on our table, and keeps our homes warm in the winter. Another term with the current School Board, and the future of Mountain Home schools is in serious trouble with little hope of recovery. People really need to start thinking about what impacts them and their families directly.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, May 12, 2015, at 5:14 PM

Jeb Bush is the only one that is even remotely electable. That being said, I doubt he could survive the primaries and caucus's without moving so far right that he could never regain anything resembling the middle ground.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, May 12, 2015, at 1:31 PM

Hilary worked here


What I find funny, is there going to be room on the stage for the 21 Republicans?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, May 12, 2015, at 11:54 AM

Interesting questions AR.

Average American would those who have suffered wage stagnation since the 80's and the onset of supply side economics. There is more wealth concentrated in the hands of a few than almost any time in history.

Obama, not much, just like many of the Republican contenders. Like I said I'm not a big fan of him.

Hillary, YUCK!

Fiorina forced through a merger with Compaq computers which gave volume but not much in the way of profit, rather than focus on the companies core operations which didn't have as much volume but created enormous profit margins. The layoffs were driven by the lower profit margins incurred by the merger with Compaq. If I made a decision that affected the relationship between revenue and profit poorly, I would expect to be fired. Wouldn't you?

Again Hillary. YUCK! I neither like or trust her.

Take a real look at our tax structure, percentage of income paid in taxes vs income, not total dollars paid and you will see the inequality in our tax system. Look at the fiasco in Kansas. No money for education or roads due to tax cuts to the wealthiest. Take a close look at how they are trying to plug their budget shortfalls, then look at California where they are running surpluses, paying down debt and building a multi-billion dollar rainy day fund. Which is better managed?

The "job creators" haven't produced enough decent paying jobs to justify the tax cuts they have received in recent years, both at the national or local level. When talking about waste and fraud, look at DOD which hasn't had a clean audit in a decade and appears to only be interested in approving the bottom line for a few select companies. Start with the F-35 and keep digging. In terms of total dollars and percentage of GDP, we spend more on our military than almost any other country in the world, yet neglect domestic issues such as medical research, homelessness and hunger. We spend more of our GDP on healthcare (insurance companies) than than almost any other country.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, May 12, 2015, at 7:37 AM


What is the average American?

What experience did Obama have?

Has Hillary ever had a job she could be fired from?

Did Fiorina keep HP alive when all the other companies were closing? Sometimes tough decisions have to be made in the real world, outside of the liberal government world.

How many questions has Hillary answered?

-- Posted by always right on Mon, May 11, 2015, at 4:37 PM

21 Republicans and 2 Democrats. And what do you see that is so funny? Maybe the collapse of the Democratic process? Possibly our entire political system failing? You tell me.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, May 9, 2015, at 8:33 PM

AR.Let's see. Educated woman and African American. Let's explore this some. I must assume who you are referring to since you failed to use any kind of names. Woman, fired CEO of a large American corporation. Fired for her job performance and decisions that almost ruined that company. Sorry, we already have enough people in politics that are financially illiterate. African American, must be Ben Carson who seems to have a serious case of foot in mouth syndrome from the comments he has made. No experience at anything except surgery. I have made it clear in the past I'm no big fan of the currant president, but he has been the lessor of 2 evils each time. Of all the candidates on the Republican side, only one could be considered electable and that one has the last name of Bush. That in itself is a huge liability. On the Democratic side we have Clinton, don't get me started there. Sanders who is as far left as Cruz and company are right. He would be my personal choice since he stands for the wants and needs of the average American, not the 1%. The average voter will decide how successful his campaign will be since he doesn't take corporate money, never has. The 2016 senate map looks fairly dismal for the Republicans and the Democrats may regain the Senate now that Reid has retired.

Now, as I've stated before, the negotiations with Iran are about arms not people being held there. If the negotiations fail, there will be no hope of ever having a meaningful discussion on those people. The "deserter" has been charged but not convicted.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, May 6, 2015, at 12:08 PM

So far I think there is 21 Republicans running and 2 Democrats. lol!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, May 6, 2015, at 10:36 AM

Want "ridiculous? How's this?

Don't mess with Texas (rumor has it the governor wears a seriously worn out tin foil hat)

#jade helm

-- Posted by MrMister on Tue, May 5, 2015, at 10:24 PM

Soc7. What credibility do you have when you refer to me taking it away? Just curious. Occasionally I am going to post ridiculous posts just to keep the forum alive. You, and the followers on the left, have to admit that it is a signing bonus. We don't have to unfreeze anything. We are going to if they sign.

Now what about the Marine in prison in Iran. Accused of spying. No deal for him? Not as valuable as the deserter Obama traded 5 terrorists for? Rumor is the Marines parents are conservatives. And we know the deserter and his family are a distant left.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, May 5, 2015, at 3:04 PM

Sam you are no debater, you are a linking poster. You know as well as I do that education, experience, job knowledge means nothing when you vote. You look for the big D. My prejudices are no different than yours. People like you, who are insecure, feel the need to go the extra mile to prove you aren't prejudice. You still have the "Im not prejudice " shirt and bumper sticker?

-- Posted by always right on Tue, May 5, 2015, at 8:35 AM

Sam......according to your list of requirements stated in that first paragraph.......one has to wonder how you voted in the last two elections, and if you really feel good about that. Experience, job knowledge etc, seems a little contradictory to me.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, May 5, 2015, at 7:58 AM

A lot of candidates are running. I know that I will feel good about my vote and it won't just be about an "an educated woman and an educated African American". It will be the issues, their experience for the position, and their capability for the position including integrity and intelligence.

Always Right, it is not about proving anything, especially to people like you who have already shown your prejudices. This election will be interesting. Because Clinton is so far ahead, I'm afraid that we are getting the dregs of the Republican candidates, as they hope for a miracle.

I keep hoping for a good conservative comment. I was hoping that Soc7 would be participating more on this political forum. Soc7, I'd be happy in engaging you in a political debate.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, May 4, 2015, at 11:23 PM

Big Big news today. We now will have an educated woman and an educated African American running in 2016. FOr those of you on the left that feel obligated to prove you are neither a bigot or a racist, now you can feel good about your vote.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, May 4, 2015, at 3:34 PM

You are right, Roy.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 24, 2015, at 10:37 PM

Sam, your post would funny if it weren't so true.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Apr 24, 2015, at 2:34 PM

The Koch brothers have apparently chosen Scott Walker to be president, although other Republican candidates like Rand Paul are still trying to be bought by them. This is Andy Borowitz's humor on this from the New Yorker.

April 21, 2015

Kochs Defend Purchase of Scott Walker

By Andy Borowitz

NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)--Koch Industries is defending its acquisition of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker against charges that it overpaid for the Midwestern politician.

After co-owner David Koch revealed that Walker had become a wholly owned subsidiary of Koch Industries, he set off a firestorm of criticism that the company had spent too much for a worthless asset.

"There was absolutely no bidding war for Walker," an industry analyst familiar with the market value of politicians said. "Even Sheldon Adelson had no interest in acquiring him."

While Koch Industries did not disclose the purchase price of the Walker subsidiary, it said that Koch Industries would spend nine hundred million dollars between now and November, 2016, for a variety of upgrades to the Wisconsin governor.

In a terse statement, Koch Industries argued, "Scott Walker is a perfect fit with our diversified portfolio of elected officials," but indicated that, if Walker underperforms, the company would be open to selling him at a later date.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 24, 2015, at 9:32 AM

As a long time poster here, thank you! I try my best to research completely before speaking. Sometimes I make an error and then I admit it. It seems that we have reached a new low in civility and common sense when it comes to politics.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Apr 24, 2015, at 4:49 AM

50 billion sign-up bonus? Not exactly if that is just a matter of releasing Iranian money back to them?

As a conservative, I have to say Always Right, that your arguments are a little embarrassing to other conservatives. We need to be more honest on how we make our arguments which are good, but when we give bogus information then that takes away our credibility.

-- Posted by Soc7 on Thu, Apr 23, 2015, at 10:53 PM

Ok AR, I may have misspoke about the pastor. Everyone around him says that he was spreading the word. Now as to your claims on Wed. Will you now admit that the funds are not coming from the federal government or the US taxpayers, instead the funds are Iranian property that our government froze in US banks. nuff said.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Apr 23, 2015, at 1:34 PM

Roy a signing bonus is a signing bonus. Quit spinning it to fit your liberal agenda.

Im not disputing the pastor in Iran. I feel the same as you do about him. He should not have went back to Iran. I wanted you to back up you claim when you stated he admitted guilt. You can't because he didn't. Plain and simple. Nuff sed.

-- Posted by always right on Thu, Apr 23, 2015, at 9:47 AM

AR, this is the text from YOUR link!

The State Department on Monday would not rule out giving Iran up to $50 billion as a so-called "signing bonus" for agreeing to a nuclear deal later this year, according to comments made to journalists following reports that the Obama administration had formulated a plan to release tens of billions of frozen Iranian funds.

Experts have said this multi-billion dollar "signing bonus" option, which was first reported by the Wall Street Journal, could be the largest cash infusion to a terror-backing regime in recent memory.

A cash release of $30 to $50 billion upon reaching a final nuclear agreement would come in addition to the more than $11 billion in unfrozen assets that Iran will already have received under an interim nuclear accord reached in 2013.

When asked to address these reports on Monday, State Department Spokeswoman Marie Harf attempted to dodge the issue and then accused reporters of getting "spun up" on the issue.

Asked whether Iran could receive $50 billion "on day one after signing" or verbally agreeing to a nuclear deal, Harf told reporters that she would "look into it."

When pressed to provide an answer about the Journal's initial report, Harf declined "to go line by line in the story."

Harf said sanctions relief to Iran will continue through June 30.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Apr 23, 2015, at 7:50 AM

The 50 billion dollars that are held in US bank accounts are Iranian government funds that have been frozen so the Iranians can't access them. They are funds owned by the Iranian government not us. The term signing bonus was used simply to inflame certain people who see the term and fail to fully read the article. As much as you and others don't like it, our legal rights and protections as American citizens ends at our border. Going to another country, especially one that isn't exactly friendly to us, is done at your own risk. Unless you propose taking over the world, that's just the way things are. That is reality. Get over it. As for Abedini, see the above. All his supporters have said that he was imprisoned for spreading the word. For a Muslim turned Christian, spreading the word in Iran is illegal. Once again see above. Enter at your own risk! Go to France and run afoul of their laws, you are presumed guilty until proved innocent. That is just the way it is. Don't like it? Don't go there.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Apr 23, 2015, at 7:37 AM

The debt fits in because of the 50 billion signing bonus offered up by Kerry and Obama. 50 billion that the U.S. doesn't have. Try to keep up Roy.

Provide facts, links, documentation where abidini freely admitted guilt.

To address your ridiculous comment about adding things to an arms deal. Let's just say 50 billion dollar signing bonus.

But I guess you don't think Americans in Iran need a fair trial. Fair trials are only for the deserters.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Apr 22, 2015, at 4:17 PM

I have no idea where the national debt fits into the conversation, and it seems you're hades bent on believing that the 50 billion is somehow coming out of our pockets. I have question though. Why is it that you and others keep trying to add other conditions that have zero to do with arms? The pastor has admitted his actions in Iran. You know it and so do I. I have never stated a position on Bergdahl. As lamont has said, the whole issue now is in the hands of a military court. I have noticed that you seem to throw in distractions when it has been pointed out to you that you have misstated various facts, like us borrowing the 50 billion when the article never even implied that, let alone stating that. Answer me this. Are you one of those who would attack Iran and involve us in another Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc.? How many American lives are you willing to waste on a lost cause?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Apr 22, 2015, at 3:14 PM


First let's agree that the United States is somewhere around 18 trillion dollars in debt. That tells me that there is not 50 billion dollars just sitting somewhere.

Secondly, I was not referring to the pastor from Boise. I was referring to the reporters.

You are quick to find the pastor guilty of the charges Iran charged him with. How do you know he is guilty? MM you agreed with Roy. How do you know? Gonna just take the word of the Iranians ? Yet when berdahl was released, you wanted to wait to get all the facts before finding him guilty. You didn't want to trust the words of the American soldiers that witnessed him voluntarily walking away.

I'm going to summize that both of you have more faith in the Iranian judicial system than in the words of American soldiers.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Apr 22, 2015, at 2:46 PM

I totally agree with you Roy!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Apr 21, 2015, at 12:02 PM

My spin as you call it is nothing more than saying what the link said. The link said zero about borrowing any money like you claimed. You're the one putting a spin on things! As for sanctions relief, we can not control what other countries do as far as sanctions. Only a few of our sanctions can be lifted without approval from congress and I don't see that happening any time soon. Release of Americans, and I assume you mean that pastor being held, have never been any part of the arms negotiations. I have zero sympathy for that pastor. He was thrown out for breaking their laws and told not to come back. He went back, broke their laws, got his sorry butt thrown in prison. End of story. He is in the situation he's in because of his actions and deserves no sympathy from anyone!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 21, 2015, at 10:15 AM

Won't include asking for the release of Americans in the negotiations, but will offer 50 billion dollars. This straight from the liberal Clinton News Network

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Apr 21, 2015, at 9:28 AM

Roy attempt to spin it any way you want. It's a 50 billion dollar signing bonus. They will already get the vast majority, if not all, the sanctions lifted just for signing the agreement in June. This is incentive on top of lifting the sanctions.

Where is all the talk now about this agreement being the best option to head off going to war with Iran? We are headed for a confrontation as I type.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Apr 21, 2015, at 9:18 AM

AR, did you actually read the article??? What it says is that we would remove the freeze on the Iranians own money that we froze. Big difference! We aren't giving them a dime. It isn't costing us a dime!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 21, 2015, at 8:40 AM


And this is why Congress and the people should have a say in how the Iran deal is put together. Along with whoever we are borrowing the 50 billion from. Maybe they will take the two geniuses putting the plan together as collateral. Obama and Kerry combined couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Apr 21, 2015, at 8:21 AM

How did the School Board Forum go? Any hope for progress?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 20, 2015, at 8:39 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews:
Brian covered the event and there will be a story in tomorrows Mountain Home News and I attended. Took the opportunity to listen and help me make an informed decision. thanks, B

That's kind of how I see it. New blood would be good. There are some big decisions ahead to be made for the school district. New blood might gather up some support. Seems like we have been stuck in a rut. Need to get up on some solid ground so that we may move ahead.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Apr 18, 2015, at 1:02 PM

Well Dude My thoughts are change can be good if the right people are voted in. I would like to see some new members and prefer younger ones who have kids still in school here.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Apr 18, 2015, at 12:57 PM

Any thoughts MsMarylin? How would you like to see the election turn out, and why?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Apr 18, 2015, at 12:39 PM

There's going to be a forum at the Elks on April 20th Doors open at 5:30 pm


-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Apr 18, 2015, at 11:03 AM

I don't live in Mtn. Home, but as with all local elections, get involved, get informed, stand up for what you believe to be right, and lastly, don't be afraid to stand up to the bullies.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Apr 18, 2015, at 7:01 AM

Any thoughts on the up-coming School Board elections? This is local and impacts us directly, so Huffington and the such won't be much help.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 17, 2015, at 6:03 PM

Thank you. Why lol? Your not one of those that lets one party do all your thinking for you?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 17, 2015, at 12:36 PM


Happy Your feeling better.

Looks like Huckabee will announce he's throwing his hat into the ring today in NH. lol! All in All I hope there's enough room for the Republican Presidential Candidates. Should be called the Elbow Room

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Apr 17, 2015, at 10:46 AM

I feel better

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Apr 16, 2015, at 6:38 PM

My post that was deleted was in reference to Native American folklore. I can't say the name again in fear this will get deleted but its a man dressed as a wolf.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Apr 16, 2015, at 10:23 AM

We all get a post deleted once in awhile.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Apr 16, 2015, at 7:32 AM

I've been trying very hard, but the stars just lined up. Hump day and tax day on the same day. I'll lay of the pajama thing at Walmart. After all it's just a product of our broken system. Don't forget Monday April 20, prospective school board candidates will be at the Elks at 6:00 p.m.

Lets mend our local issues, before we tackle global warming and such.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 15, 2015, at 8:27 PM

Sure seems like it.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Apr 15, 2015, at 8:00 PM

Post deleted???

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 15, 2015, at 7:27 PM


It seems like Idaho don't like compliance. Besides the Child Support issue Idaho didn't comply to the Enhanced Drivers License either.

I think its time our Legislators take off those big Conservative Pants.........

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Apr 15, 2015, at 12:55 PM

Why do the people of Idaho elect individuals to represent them who collectively don't seem to have 2 brain cells to rub together? Have they been so dumbed down by far right rhetoric that they are incapable of making intelligent choices at the ballot box? Do they even realize what a laughing stock they make Idaho? Read this short article and then explain to me the reasoning behind their actions.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Apr 15, 2015, at 6:56 AM

this an opinion piece that speaks volumes to part of what is wrong in America today.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 14, 2015, at 8:06 PM

I see both sides. Discussion is rather senseless being the system is so broken, and sharing links to bias posts gets boring. Now a good dramatic disagreement is always fun.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 14, 2015, at 7:35 PM

People can have controversial points of view. What they can't do is engage in the behaviors I listed. You know and so do I. I have a feeling you enjoyed all the drama associated with their behavior and now are bored since you don't seem to have any real contribution to any discussion.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 14, 2015, at 7:17 PM

I'm referring to the forum dying. Without controversial points of view there is no commenting. Stick a fork in it. Kinda like the Obama Iran deal

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Apr 14, 2015, at 6:42 PM

AR, if you mean RIP to name calling, insults and threats, you're right. The behavior listed above reflects the current state of politics. Thoughtful discussion is frowned on and ridiculed by those who are looking for entertainment as opposed to finding solutions.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 14, 2015, at 7:28 AM

RIP political forum.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Apr 13, 2015, at 7:00 PM

You have a good point. The electoral collage can also work in a manner similar to special interest groups. I also think term limits would help. Until some of these problems are fixed, I think the political process will remain broken, and the issues facing this country will remain just issues, with no solutions in sight.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Apr 12, 2015, at 3:31 PM

A strong 3rd party does seem to be needed, but in order for it to be effective would require the electoral collage to abolished and another amendment requiring a majority of the popular vote to be elected president. It would also mean going back to the original requirement of 1 representative for every 30000 to 50000 citizens. I know this sounds unwieldy but with technology today it is doable. 1 representative for every 750000 fails to give a voice to many. Of course under today's rules or lack of, big money would never allow any of this to happen.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Apr 12, 2015, at 7:03 AM


It might be hard to believe, but our #1 concern is one and the same. Well funded special interest groups control our politicians. Together with career politicians, they are causing the wheels to fall off. Term limits are a must.

#2 Funding for education. I can see a huge decline in the quality basic education for our children. This needs to be a priority and included in the balancing of military and social safety net programs. I feel these important issues can be worked on regardless of party. Your other points are very good as well, but you have to start somewhere. It also seems this party system we have isn't working so well. Childish. You can't possibly disagree on everything.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Apr 11, 2015, at 5:35 PM

The number 1 concern upon further reflection is the corruption of our political system by big money.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Apr 11, 2015, at 11:14 AM

An interesting article on trying to survive on the SNAP program. I found it informative especially given the background of the person who wrote it.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Apr 11, 2015, at 10:59 AM

What concerns me most are issues of safety from terrorism vs protecting our privacy. Number 2 is the issue of same sex marriage and protecting the rights of the LGBT community without infringing on churches. The average shop owner who offers goods and services to the general public can't be protected from discriminatory actions or behaviors because of their personal or religious beliefs. If any person wants to practice discrimination, then they need to transform their business from one open to the general public to one that is members only. Fair and honest tax reform and tort reform are long overdue. Find some kind of balance between the competing need for funds for defense and social safety net programs. America has changed from an agrarian society to an industrialized society with no regard to the profound effects on many in our society. Gone today are company sponsored health insurance programs that won't bankrupt the employee. Gone are defined benefit pension plans except for those in the upper echelon of businesses. Access to healthcare, food, shelter, and access to some form of higher education are needed for human dignity. Performing some kind of service for those services can and should be expected except for the very elderly and the severely disabled. This service is needed for dignity and self worth.

I don't know if I fit your perception of a "typical" liberal/progressive, but I am what I am.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Apr 11, 2015, at 10:17 AM

Dude, I'm sorry if I offended you. Your statement that offended me was was very broad and made no exceptions for the retired community. Tax tables and withholding programs are complex and sometimes make no sense to the common man. It seems that if a person has a substantial jump in income in one week, the assumption is that increase will be ongoing, therefore the higher withholding rate. That is my understanding. If I bash, I try to do it with no regard to hard right or hard left, but let's face it, the conservative side says and does things that make them an easy target. Don't forget that my generation was very involved in some of the most profound and sweeping changes in both the political and social fronts this country had seen in generations.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Apr 11, 2015, at 9:36 AM


The comment was not intended for the retired community. Your generation was, and is very hard working, and for the most part paved their own way in life. The "erroneous information" and try google comment was out of line considering the information you provided was incorrect. As far as political discussion, I do not consider the right bashing the left or the left bashing the right political discussion. Most of what we know about the up-coming political candidates is what we read. Most of what we read (provided links) is bias one way or the other. What 2 issues facing

Americans today most concern you? What do you think can be done to improve them (regardess of party)? Is it possible the political system of this country is broken?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Apr 11, 2015, at 9:00 AM

dude, if you want to think you had a slam dunk on the payroll issue, go ahead. The withholding tables are what they are. The apology I wanted was for insulting not only me, but every other retired person in an earlier comment. Scroll down and you'll see what I'm referring to. In my opinion, so far you and AR have offered zero to any political discussion. All you have done is criticize and judge various groups of people based on personal bias.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Apr 11, 2015, at 7:38 AM

Soc7, how do you define gun control? How small should the federal government be? Please provide a list of agencies and programs you would like to see eliminated.

On an emotional level I can agree with Rand on the surveillance issue, but on an intellectual level I understand the need for it given the current state of the world and terrorism. I see no other alternative that would proactively identify and apprehend those living in this country who wish to do us harm.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Apr 11, 2015, at 7:31 AM

Why do you feel that abortion should be decided at the federal level?

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Apr 10, 2015, at 9:42 PM

These are some things about Rand Paul.

1. He is against gun control but he isn't fanatical about it.

2. He is for smaller government. I agree that sometimes this is good but we need a large government for the big things like defense and the space program.

3. He is more of an isolationist instead of a warmonger.

4. He is in favor of lowering the income tax.

5. He thinks that abortion should be decided at the state level. I disagree on this.

6. He is against racism.

7. He wants to reform immigration.

Unfortunately, he is able to run because his father was a perennial presidential candidate. That sounds a lot like Bush and Gore to me. He seems inexperienced which is a concern.

-- Posted by Soc7 on Fri, Apr 10, 2015, at 9:29 PM

If there hadn't been a video the policeman would have gotten away with murder. I think his partner is in trouble too for covering up the crime, claiming that they did CPR. South Carolina lucked out that the video came out before they started some Ferguson-like behavior.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Apr 10, 2015, at 8:57 PM


-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 10, 2015, at 7:19 PM

Where you been Always Right. Did you see the SLAM DUNK I had with roy2c about overtime and pay periods? And then old roy2c wanted an apology.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 10, 2015, at 6:36 PM

Roy, that article tells me that certain right wing crazies are out of touch with what American's want. Progress is being made.

S0C7, it's good to hear what you said about the Heritage Foundation. I suspect that you are more moderate in your approach to politics. If you don't mind my asking, what do you like about Rand Paul, and are there other candidates that you are interested in for 2016.

On another topic, the police shooting of an unarmed black man in South Carolina went a lot differently than what happened in Ferguson. There were things that were different and of course a key thing is that there was a video which proved the police report was a lie. The New Yorker had an article about it, well written and just plain interesting. For those that like to read well written articles, I recommend this.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 10, 2015, at 3:59 PM

It kinda looks like me and Dude control the forum here. Without our comments, it comes to a screeching halt. When we post, there is still screeching, it just comes from the left. Maybe it has to do with the date. Maybe its like EBT time. tons of action the first of the month, then couch up until the next first half of the month

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Apr 10, 2015, at 2:26 PM

Here is an article and a poll regarding one of the changes in society that some are so afraid of.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Apr 9, 2015, at 6:43 AM

When anyone says society and morals are changing too fast it reminds me of the 50's and 60's when the changes were civil rights, voting rights, rock and roll, the anti-war movement etc. Change can't and won't be stopped or slowed down. You only have 2 choices, go with the flow or get left behind and be miserable.

The only republican that hasn't been flip-flopping all over the place is Bush. The rest are trying to out conservative each other and pander to the lowest common denominator. The democratic party needs new leadership from the top down. Reid is retiring, Pelosi should do the same. I trust Hillary as far as I can throw her. Warren and Sanders would both make great VP's but are too divisive to lead the ticket.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Apr 9, 2015, at 6:22 AM

Why do Clinton and Warren worry you Soc7 and why are you not worried about the Republican candidates?

-- Posted by Geordey on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 11:31 PM

I like Rand Paul however he has made some mistakes, which I hope that he can recover from.

I agree with some of his political beliefs, and am looking at the other Republican candidates. The country is moving too fast on changing society and the mores of it and we need to go slower.

On the other hand, I don't want to be treated like the stupid American that will believe anything as long as it came from the Heritage Foundation.

So, I'll have a laugh at Rand Paul and others but Hillary Clinton worries me and Elizabeth Warren really worries me.

-- Posted by Soc7 on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 8:51 PM

You know, there are so many perks when you're retired. I get up when I feel like it, I go to bed when I feel like it, I take a nap if I feel like it, I don't get dressed unless I have some place to go. And you what? I earned the right to do the above. I paid into SS for 46 long hard years.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 8:09 PM

I guess serving a hitch in the military makes Tom Cotton think that he is an expert on the military. What a Bozo.

S0C7, I've seen you post before. I take it that you don't like Rand Paul?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 6:10 PM

Tom Cotton, at it again, ala Cheney.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 4:57 PM


Your point being?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 2:29 PM

Dude, no apology to me?? I apologize when I wrongly insult someone.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 12:53 PM


Good move on your part. Take your toys and go home. Hope you made it out of bed this morning and got dressed. Haven't had to work 80 in a week for several years since the big crash, so I do occasionally enjoy interjecting a bit of reality to this liberal political site. By what the clock reads, the day is half over. I'll check it again in a while.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 12:01 PM

Rand Paul's candidacy is doomed from the start. First off, as the junior Senator from Kentucky he does no better for experience than Ted Cruz. Also, he has gotten himself in trouble multiple times for plagiarism as the junior Senator.

Plagiarism, as most people know, and Merriam-Webster says is to use the words or ideas of another person without giving credit to the person.

What was Rand Paul's plagiarism?

1. Describing the movie "Gattaca" without mentioning that this description came word for word from Wikipedia.

2. Same as above only this was the movie "Stand and Deliver".

3. Criticized Obama's State of the Union address in 2013 with the words from a 2011 Associated Press article.

4. Three pages in his book used a 2003 Heritage Foundation "study" without crediting the Heritage Foundation.

Did Rand Paul fess up to his plagiarism. Sort of. He says that he is the victim of "haters" but that "I will admit, sometimes we haven't footnoted things properly."

Is Rand Paul dishonest or is he merely "sloppy"? Maybe mostly just sloppy, however now that he is a declared candidate, his plagiarism or more findings of plagiarism will crop up. Rachel Maddow sent out the first volley last night.

To insure that I am not guilty of plagiarism, I'm following Sam's practice to provide a link on where I found mot of my information and ideas.


-- Posted by Soc7 on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 11:59 AM

While Dude/Always Right looks up the word infer, and scratches his head over the Tax tables, while putting in his 80 hours of work a week, others may be interested in the Rand Paul announcement.

One guy announced that Rand Paul would be the "next United States of America". There appeared to be more laughter than cheering. What a joke.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 8:21 AM


Now who needs to try a little harder?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 6:40 AM

Don't worry Geordey. I give very little thought to what Dude and his alter ego Always Right have to say but I must say that a pet peeve of mine is people that don't know the difference between the word infer and imply. My theory is that those that use the word infer when they should have used the word imply are those that are trying to sound more intelligent, after all they know about the word infer. However, alas, they don't know the difference between the two words.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 11:14 PM

Roy and Sam why are you letting dudewheresmycar and always right waste your time? While Mr work hard dude is working hard he seems to spend a lot of time on the internet however spending no time on real research.

Always right seems to be cut from same cloth, so to speak.

I think they are not what they claim to be.

-- Posted by Geordey on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 10:33 PM

I'm sorry, stupid would infer that I think you're stupid. I should have written non-sense.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 9:45 PM


I normally arrive at work a minimum of one hour before anyone else arrives. In 20 years have never been late. Have been known to put in 80hrs in one week. Never try to impress anyone. Have never taken a sick day in 20 years. Might be qualified to pass some advice if you happened to answer yes to questions 1 & 2. I have no desire to feel superior, just don't like stupid.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 9:39 PM

Dude you strike me as the kind of person that will be sobbing about Climate Change when it starts affecting you, but not until it affects you personally.

As far as employment advice for me, you are hardly qualified. You strike me as the kind of person that shows up for work on time, usually, and watches the clock until it's time to go home. You are not dressed in pajamas but not in anything that will impress anybody, either. -- So you and Always Right should go check on people on the 1st of each month at Walmart and try to feel superior about them.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 9:21 PM

Now isn't this so much more fun than providing some useless links to Global Warming?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 9:00 PM


Trust me I understand the withholdings tables. And who said I was going to get less than 40 hours the following week. You pay overtime the first week regardless if you get less the following. Very familiar with our Governments certified payroll as well. They audit them frequently. They are provided to the Government weekly. You go over 40 for the week, it's overtime. I don't need to google it, we live it.

Some companies pay weekly, some b-weekly, and others monthly. Regardless, I have seen many an hourly employee discouraged. roy2c, wake up! It's the 3rd question.


If you answered yes to the first two questions, you should remain an employee. Self-employment may not be in your best interest.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 8:08 PM


Have you ever worked overtime?

Have you ever noticed the difference in your check after taxes?

Have you noticed that you really do not "net" much more after taxes?

If you answered yes then thank the liberals for providing a culture that make those that choose not to work part of your family that you support, whether you choose to or not.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 6:15 PM

You obviously don't understand the tax withholding tables. The rate of withholding is based on your pay for that pay period. If you make less next week, then your withholding goes down. You pass a lot of judgments and voice voice many opinions based on false or erroneous information. Try google, it works wonders!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 7:15 PM

Is there no particular time that you have to get up in the morning?

Can you go the entire day without getting dressed?

Are you the second or third generation of your family that has never had a job and exists off the system?

If you have answered yes to any of these questions, you can thank the tax payers for paying your way.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 5:32 PM

I resent that! I'm retired, paid into SS for over 45 years! I can answer yes to 1 and 2!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 7:08 PM

Let's see. Dude is copying Roy only his questions don't make sense. Dude have you ever heard pf people that work from home, people that make their own schedule, and/or people who own their own businesses all of whom rely on their own income, paying taxes, and not taking welfare?

These people could answer yes to some of your questions yet are not on welfare. You need to try harder.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 7:05 PM


Have you ever worked overtime?

Have you ever noticed the difference in your check after taxes?

Have you noticed that you really do not "net" much more after taxes?

If you answered yes then thank the liberals for providing a culture that make those that choose not to work part of your family that you support, whether you choose to or not.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 6:15 PM

Is there no particular time that you have to get up in the morning?

Can you go the entire day without getting dressed?

Are you the second or third generation of your family that has never had a job and exists off the system?

If you have answered yes to any of these questions, you can thank the tax payers for paying your way.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 5:32 PM

At 2.4 million in income, I think Reagan said it best. It matters not the source of income, all sources of income should be taxed the same. Also, dividends and capital gains should be subject to SS and Medicare taxes!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 5:18 PM

Roy and Sam. I understand the tax system very well. I was looking for your opinion on why Romney should pay more than you or me or who ever. I gave you some choices. Don't be afraid. I pay well over 11% in tax and it doesn't matter to me that Romney only pays 11%. What matters to me is the dead beats that are using and not contributing. No links please

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 4:36 PM

I just love how the right always talks dollars as opposed to percentages, it just seems to justify their positions.

On a separate note, this is a question I have posed to the right before and never got any comment.

Do you get overtime pay for working overtime?

Do you only have to work 40 hours before getting overtime?

Have you ever found yourself having to draw unemployment?

If you answer yes, you can thank the liberals of this country.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 4:18 PM

Yes, the laws in the United States are based on a percentage of income as a fair way to determine who should pay what.

In 2014 as someone making over $457,600, Romney's fair tax rate would be 39.6% minus an additional $53,247.10. He paid much less of a tax rate than that because he had offshore bank accounts that allowed him to hide his income and because he was allowed numerous deductions, also sometimes referred to as "welfare for the rich".

Always Right wants to excuse that by pretending that we have a fixed dollar amount for taxes, which we don't. Get on board, Always Right! You live in the United States which has a tax based on percentages. Everybody doesn't pay x amount each year and call it good.

All of the name calling about liberals, can't make your claims true. They do tell us a little something about your character however.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 4:10 PM

I refer to percentages not dollars. There is a difference you know. What percentage do you pay? When I was working I paid a whole lot more than 11%!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 2:05 PM

Roy how much does Romney pay in dollars? How much do you pay in dollars? He probably pays 1000 times what you pay, and you still complain. Why do you expect him to pay more than you? Because he is smarter? Because he worked harder? Because he is successful? Because he has income? Come Roy help me out. Is it because he has more than you and your liberal mind tells that's just not right. We should all be equal. Except when it comes to paying. Then out come the liberal t-Rex's. Short little arms can't reach the bill.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 1:18 PM

Roy some companies are just better to work for than others. I don't think Walmart would be a good company to work for. The liberal mentality is to have the government tell them all they have to do it.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 11:53 AM

In order for them to know about the failed experiments they would have to read something, that has been provided for them because they won't find this on the extreme right web sites.

I know that there must be a learned conservative out there that has more to talk about than the people who go to Walmart and what they are wearing.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 11:51 AM

North Korea wasn't Obama's doing and that deal sucked because there weren't inspections involved. As far as the swap, I want to see what punishment if any is given.

Still no answer from you guys on the failed experiments in Arkansas or Wisconsin. Why???????

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 10:22 AM

Mitt pays 11% and no Social Security taxes or Medicare taxes. The average working person pays about 9% in the above taxes plus sales taxes and sometimes income taxes, property taxes directly or indirectly, plus other fees. Who carries the larger tax burden in relation to income? Clue, it's not Mitt.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 10:02 AM

Rand Paul is now officially running for President. He is having to enter the fray early in order to compete with Bush for campaign financing. This is what Andy Borowitz had to say about Rand Paul's announcement.

Rand Paul Joins Crowded Field of People Who Will Never Be President

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)--With an official announcement on his campaign Web site, Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) has joined a crowded field of people who will never be elected President in their lifetimes.

While Paul and Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) are the only officially announced Republican candidates with a zero-per-cent chance of ever winning the Presidency, a burgeoning roster of totally pointless candidacies is waiting in the wings.

Former Texas Governor Rick Perry, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum, and neurosurgeon Ben Carson are just a few of the men thought to be considering squandering time and money pursuing an office that they will never occupy in a billion years.

On the Democratic side, only former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley has stepped forward as someone who could only be elected to the White House in an alternate universe.

Minutes after his announcement, aides to Senator Paul said that they believed that he would emerge as the top choice of voters who are determined to waste their votes in 2016.

"There's no one out there who has a more remote chance of being elected, unless Trump decides to run," one aide said.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 9:35 AM

Starbucks can see the writing on the wall, and they want the best employees and are willing to compete to get them.

Some other companies have a business model of not caring if they have the best employees and dealing with a high turnover rate. As the economy improves, these companies business model will suffer.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 9:27 AM

Roy how much is 11% of 24 million? Why should one man be criticized for paying over 2.4 million in tax? Sounds like he is paying his own way plus several hundred others way.

Sam your bias links are stupid.

Roy your comment about the rich not being satisfied with theirs, they want yours too. That's too far of a stretch from the liberal mentality. Liberal thought " if I have it, it's ok. If I don't have it, then no one gets it. If they get it, I get it" attach a pic of pelosi or Sam.

Who traded 5 prisoners for a deserter? A hint. He just negotiated a deal with Iran that only the brainwashed are buying into. North Korea gave us their word

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 9:26 AM

Answer me this. Why is it a liberal company like Starbucks can do this, but giant companies like Walmart won't?


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 9:19 AM

The Daily Kos has this information, which refutes the claims of Dude / Always Right on the reason for the government handouts to the wealthy.

"Entitled "Subsidizing the Corporate One Percent," the report from the taxpayer watchdog group Good Jobs First shows that the world's largest companies aren't models of self-sufficiency and unbridled capitalism. To the contrary, they're propped up by billions of dollars in welfare payments from state and local governments.

Such subsidies might be a bit more defensible if they were being doled out in a way that promoted upstart entrepreneurialism. But as the study also shows, a full "three-quarters of all the economic development dollars awarded and disclosed by state and local governments have gone to just 965 large corporations"--not to the small businesses and startups that politicians so often pretend to care about.

In dollar figures, that's a whopping $110 billion going to big companies. Fortune 500 firms alone receive more than 16,000 subsidies at a total cost of $63 billion."

The quote is from:


The entire report is at the link below.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 8:26 AM

I don't despise the rich, I despise the lack of ethics and morals of some of them who have taken the attitude of I've gotten mine but that isn't enough, I want yours also and use any means possible to achieve that end.

How many of you know that under the tax rates under Eisenhower and Kennedy which were much higher than today, everyone prospered, not just the select few. Mitt Romney paid just 11% income tax on his 24 million dollar income. How many jobs has he created?

How many of you follow the stock market news? Ever notice that when earnings reports come out, that even if a company shows a profit, if it doesn't meet analyst expectations, the company stock suffers? Sometimes the profit is affected by factors outside of the control of the company, sometimes it's because the company has a conscience and is unwilling to adversely affect it's employees (the many) in order to enrich the few. Investing and ROI used to be a long term strategy, now it suffers from the alcoholic malady of "I want it now!"

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 8:06 AM

First off I never mentioned Walmart or any other company, but since you did, Walmart derives a large portion of their income from groceries sold to SNAP users. Since the Reagan tax overhaul, deficits and the national debt have balloned. Under Reagan the debt almost tripled. Since 1980, incomes of the wealthiest have grown almost 300%, while everyone else has seen only minimal increases. Bush 1 was absolutely right when he called Reagan's tax policies voodoo economics. As to the poor and their tax burden, everyone who collects a paycheck pays payroll taxes, Social Security and Medicare. The poor who don't qualify for SNAP pay sales tax on food as well as everything else they buy. This means that taxes take up a disportionate amount of their income.

I notice no one on the right is willing to talk about the failures of Brownback and company and their ruinous tax policies. Why is that?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 7:41 AM

These tax breaks are afforded to everyone. They provide an incentive to invest and grow. This country was founded on these incentives. The opportunity of prosperity was why so many left there home countries and families to come to the United States. If the rich that you despise so greatly were to discontinue investing, this country would collapse in a very short time. The money of those that have become successful is what greases the wheel of our economy. The irresponsible willingness of the Government in handing out monies with no accountability to those receiving it will cause the wheels to fall off. There will no longer be those that search for prosperity, but only demand their share of others.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 7:23 AM

Soc7. Maybe it is just the right that has dreams of being wealthy and self supporting. I hope that isn't the case. But it would sure explain a lot. Again the tax breaks you seem to hate are actually incentives to keep these large companies providing jobs and moving the economy. Simple simple simple.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 AM

dude where's my car and always right you seem to be using one brain for your thoughts and opinions. Has your one brain taken into consideration the tremendous tax brakes afforded to the wealthy in this country?

Probably not, because the extreme right dreams to someday be wealthy and wish that they were wealthy. They would never complain about tax breaks to the wealthy. Am I right?

-- Posted by Soc7 on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 11:04 PM

Roy. What you refer to as welfare for the rich is actual tax break incentives correct? I have to assume you are referring to Walmart how many people does walmart provide a living for? How much money does walmart pump back into the economy in the way of pay checks? How much money goes back into the economy when Walmart builds a new store? You could probably substitute about any large successful company in place of Walmart. On a local level, consider micron.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 10:11 PM


I see the middle class carrying a lot of the burden, but not the poor. The tax rate on their income is minimal. If the red white and blue card was operated in more of a business like manner such WIC, I would even suggest that no sales tax be charged to their grocery purchases. Ever consider why the rich are often compensated with stock etc.? Most of the rich are equity rich. Most of their tax liability comes from capital gains which is easy to manipulate, and taxed at a much less rate. You seem to have a rational way of looking at the larger picture, and look for solutions. Others seek some desire to pose as some grand political science professor.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 8:22 PM

To my way of thinking, when taxes are cut, sometimes severely, on the richest taxpayers such as in Arkansas, and the budget ends up with a huge hole in it, and the governors answer is to raid state pension funds and increase things like sales taxes which affect the poor disproportionately, that is the rich on welfare. When the legislature here proposes a flat tax on the richest, which in 2 years equates a large tax cut, and raises income taxes on the poor and middle class, that is the rich on welfare. I could go on, but you get my drift.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 7:25 PM

Very good, MsMarylin. I laughed too, but with you, not at you.

Netanyahu has certainly been doing a lot of boo hoo-ing about the proposed Iranian deal. "The Atlantic" covered this in depth but concluded with the following.

"The key flaw in Netanyahu's critique of the Iran deal is his belief that America--having convinced the world to pressure Iran into accepting an agreement that enjoys global support--can now destroy that deal and expect the pressure to increase. It won't. To the contrary, if America follows Netanyahu's advice, Iran's isolation will ease and America's will grow. Perhaps it's no surprise that a leader whose policies have so isolated his own country from the world is urging the United States down a similar path."


The key point from "The Atlantic" is this is the best deal we have, and if we delay in putting this one together we will lose the support of countries like China that want Iran's economic sanctions to go away because it wants Iran's oil. The next deal down the road would be, as a result weaker.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 6:15 PM

Sam please elaborate on your "rich on welfare" comment. No links please.

Dude your WIC idea is great.

Roy we agree Pajamas are for lounging, not shopping.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 4:47 PM

Here's an Idea All Convenience Stores and Fast Food Restaurants raise the costs of what they sell, to the point only the rich can buy their products. While doing so lower the cost of healthy foods so those who had been choosing the lower cost items will have no choice but to choose the lower price healthy foods and drinks. lol!

Oh and raise the cost of a pair of pajamas higher then a pair of jeans.

This way the Government don't have to tell people to eat healthy and to not wear pajamas's while shopping.

I know I crack myself up sometimes!!!!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 11:58 AM

Dude/Always Right if you don't like what I have to say don't read it.

For others, on the topic of climate change and American's reaction to it, Andy Borowitz had the following.

April 5, 2015

Poll: Americans Starting to Worry About Climate Change Now That It Affects Their Lawns

By Andy Borowitz

SACRAMENTO (The Borowitz Report) -- A new poll shows that Americans who were unconcerned about climate change as it wreaked havoc around the world are beginning to worry, now that global warming is affecting the appearance of their lawns.

According to the poll, conducted by the University of Minnesota's Opinion Research Institute, rising sea levels, the destruction of habitats, and catastrophic weather conditions, such as hurricanes and tsunamis, have not served as the wake-up call to Americans that their lawns' unsightly barrenness has.

In interviews across the state of California, residents expressed anger and outrage that climate change had been allowed to worsen to the point that it has now severely limited their choice of ground cover, shrubs, and other decorative plantings.

"We are being forced to create a front lawn out of stones and, yes, cacti," said Harland Dorrinson, a resident of suburban Sacramento. "I'm not sure that this is a world I would want to leave to my children."

"Right now we're looking at a situation where we have to choose between saving our climbing hydrangeas or our roses," said Tracy Klugian, of San Diego. "We are no longer living like humans."

Carol Foyler, a San Mateo resident who has watched her lawn turn from a gorgeous green to a hideous brown during California's drought, said she blamed scientists "for failing to warn us of the true cost of climate change."

"They always said that polar bears would starve to death," she said. "But they never told us our lawns would look like crap."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 10:11 AM

roy 2C

Well said.


Keep knocking them over that left field fence.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 9:45 AM

Those that seem to complain the most about our poor that are on welfare, never seem to complain about our rich that are on welfare. No additional demeaning take away from the poor seems to be enough. Heaven forbid if they buy donuts on welfare. Make them buy things like Lima beans instead. And yes, while we are at it, let's require a dress code for Walmart.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 9:06 AM

To dude and AR, it may surprise you that this old progressive has always advocated limits on what and where the SNAP card can be used. I have also advocated some type of workfare, similar to what the LDS uses. Lounging pants belong at home. I'm retired and wear them when I'm at home, but always wear jeans when out in public. Please don't paint all liberals/progressives with the same brush. As for the "Add the words" protesters, I have seen men as well as women arrested. I do support adding the words because I have seen first hand the bigotry and prejudice of many of the citizens of Idaho and for that reason alone, the words are needed. Because of the actions of the few, more laws seem to be needed, which speaks poorly of our society.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 8:07 AM

Always Right,

We were just talking about the fast food being able to be purchased with the red white and blue card. I think the program should more mirror the (WIC)? program. The program for pregnant/expecting mothers and young children. In that program, the food items that may be purchased are specified. It would make me feel a lot better about the program. I saw a guy in Jacksons the other day buying Crispy Crème donuts and Monster energy drinks with his red white and blue card. I think it would be a lot easier to implement than Obama Care, and by far more beneficial. Imagine the extra funds available if the money for assistance was being spent in a more practical manner.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 7:30 AM


That should provide you with adequate material to discuss.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 6, 2015, at 7:13 AM

After reading some of the previous posts, I have some comments

I have never seen anyone good looking and in shape wearing pajamas out in public. Why? Maybe it's because people with jobs don't turn into bums when they are off work and headed to Walmart.

Is there any real reason a pizza joint or fast food should accept EBT?

Why is it only guys getting arrested for protesting the refusal to "add the words" at the capital?

Why do liberals refuse to admit that welfare has become a way of life for many on the system?

Same with Obama care. How much difference is there between welfare and assistance?

Why is it that the unemployed on here are the ones supporting more freebies?

-- Posted by always right on Sun, Apr 5, 2015, at 7:28 PM

Wow. The forum has gone completely to the left. I'm glad we are fortunate enough to live in a state where common sense and useful knowledge still prevail. The ridiculous links and obama a speeches have brainwashed the forum to a point where it has become intolerable. Peace

-- Posted by always right on Sun, Apr 5, 2015, at 7:08 PM

The Pope included a prayer for the Iran deal as part of his Easter message.

"In hope we entrust to the merciful Lord the framework recently agreed to in Lausanne, that it may be a definitive step toward a more secure and fraternal world."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Apr 5, 2015, at 4:18 PM

I don't miss the name calling at all. It was a waste of everyone's time to have to weed through it.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sat, Apr 4, 2015, at 7:07 PM

CB wasn't sent to the penalty box, he was thrown out for his behavior, period. Same for Mike. If any conservatives would like to discuss politics without resorting to name calling or threats, then I'm ready and willing. Given the fact that CB's name, addy, picture and phone number were plastered all over the Mountain Home News web site, I really doubt he will be back.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Apr 4, 2015, at 2:01 PM

Yes, it was pretty boring Dude to hear about the 1st of the month and the dress code at Walmart. Maybe you can say something to spark some interest. It surprises me that you are posting on the Political Forum since you've made comments in the past about people who post on the Political Forum.

Here is something that I found very interesting. A right wing guy was bringing up Neville Chamberlain and appeasement but the guy had no idea what Neville Chamberlain did.


Now isn't that entertaining?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 11:40 PM

This site has become the Mountain Home Liberal Posse version of the Spin Starts Here. Not very good reading since Breeze got put into the penalty box.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 10:30 PM

All of the Republican Presidential candidates are either saying nothing about the Iran deal or claiming it was a big mistake. Much better to start another war that somebody other than your sons will fight in.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 8:12 PM

That is funny, Roy. There has been celebrating in many parts of the world over this. Let's hope that Tom Cotton and other Republicans can for once think about their country rather than trying to negate the Obama presidency, so that they don't blow the final agreement. Here is what the Borowitz Report said.

April 2, 2015

Peace with Iran Could Limit Ability to Bomb It, Warns McCain

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)--Shortly after world powers successfully negotiated a nuclear-framework agreement with Iran, Sen. John McCain warned that a lasting peace with the Middle Eastern nation "could greatly limit our ability to bomb it."

"President Obama is hailing this framework as something that could enhance the prospects for peace in the Middle East," McCain told reporters at the United States Senate. "For those of us who have looked forward to bombing Iran for some time now, that would be a doomsday scenario."

"The Iranians know well and good that if they abandon their nuclear program exactly the way we've asked them to, we can kiss bombing them goodbye," he said, shaking his head ruefully. "It's a damn shame."

As for President Obama, McCain added, "Sometimes I think the President cares more about making the Iranians happy than about making the people who want to bomb the Iranians happy."

With the deadline for finalizing a nuclear treaty with Iran set for June 30th, McCain said that there was still a chance that talks could break down and allow the United States to bomb it, but added, "I'm not getting my hopes up."

"If we all wake up on July 1st and we're at peace with Iran, don't say I didn't warn you," he said.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 1:01 PM

This is FUNNY!!!!!


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 8:50 AM

Since the big fight over the debt limit (Mike's fav rant) is coming due again, here is a realistic opinion piece on the subject.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 8:43 AM

Me thinks Bibi has a god complex!


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 8:19 AM

Rand Paul said ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ciu570dr... ) that he doesn't believe in Gay Rights because he doesn't think that people's rights should be based on their behavior.

If Rand thinks that being Gay is just a behavior, then he must think that walking up-right is a behavior. Christians shouldn't get any rights because worshipping God is a behavior. Growing old is a behavior.

-- Posted by Soc7 on Thu, Apr 2, 2015, at 4:55 PM

This was a great article on what Cruz thinks about climate change. Th author says that what he said "is what comes out of the south end of a north-facing bull".

Another quote from Stephen Colbert was included. "Global warming isn't real because I was cold today! Also great news: World hunger is over because I just ate." We laugh but that ... is ... the ... way ... that ... Cruz .... THINKS!

For an enjoyable break from the day, read the article.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Apr 2, 2015, at 3:36 PM

Yes, he seems to only have one issue, and is not able to walk and chew gum at the same time. By his thinking society won't improve because we have to just work on his one issue.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Apr 2, 2015, at 12:13 PM

Tom Cotton's just unbelievable!


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Apr 2, 2015, at 10:37 AM

dude, I don't disagree that it may be a lifestyle for some, but the fact of the matter is that for far too many, including the elderly, after paying for a roof over your head, keeping the power on, gas, insurance and meds, there just isn't enough left over for food.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 9:44 PM


You are right, but you can't disagree that it is becoming a way of life. I have lived in the neighborhood for a while, and am seeing this become the norm of a third generation. I see the problem lying in leadership. I don't really judge these folks, they are just a product of the system. The pajama thing though, I will never get.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 8:20 PM

Here's a thought Dude. If you are worried about welfare, why not stop talking about the 1st of each month and the wearing of pajamas at Walmart?

Why not directly discuss welfare and find something to do about it? As one example, raising the minimum wage will take a lot of families off welfare. What suggestions do you have that do not pertain to a dress code at Walmart?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 6:05 PM

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged." Matthew 7:1

That applies to many folks and about many things! :)

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 6:04 PM

Sam, you're to far out there to even respond so consider this your response. Blueocean, you were able to catch on to the point I was trying to make. It's a concern of mine that worries me. I can't see it as a path we want to follow as a society.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 5:31 PM

blueocean, your point is very true. As the centuries have passed we have gotten more casual in our dress and it doesn't matter if you are on welfare or not.

CNN took a look at the last 200 years and how we, particularly Americans, have relaxed our formality in how we dress and how we go out in public. We shouldn't be jeering about how people are dressed while shopping in Walmart.

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged." Matthew 7:1


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 3:18 PM


It's 2015 and for many people pajama style clothing is street clothing. That doesn't indicate that everyone dressed that way is on welfare. I agree there are some families who appear to be perpetuating living off government programs. Perhaps it would be better to address that issue than to belittle people for the way they dress.

-- Posted by blueocean on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 1:27 PM

From what I've been hearing on the news, the younger Republicans are steering away from conservatism.

It sure has been nice here lately. Thank You Brenda!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 12:55 PM

I think by the next election, America will have had enough of a taste of Republican governing (ruling) and will take their majority away. Reid retiring helps for sure, now if only Pelosi would retire! I know what Mike kept saying about 2010 and 2014, but traditionally Dems stay home at mid-terms.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 12:30 PM

PJ wearing isn't the only eyesore at walmart. lol!

In my opinion the Republicans thought they had it made running the house and a senate. Bet they weren't expecting a huge backlash when trying to pass the Freedom of Religion Act, which if I have it correct would override the anti-discriminate law. Anti-discrimination law ?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 11:45 AM


Huge difference between temporary hardship that one works through and the development of a new culture being handed down through generations. At least have enough respect to get dressed in street clothing before going to the store.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 10:45 AM


Hope you are able to continue to live your holier than thou life and never have to experience any hardship etc.

-- Posted by blueocean on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 10:20 AM

join the crowd :)

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 7:36 AM


-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 7:28 AM

Almost never has a President and Vice President worked like a team so I don't think a VP with foreign relations experience adds to the ticket.

I know that we have a lot of challenges but I feel that a lack of foreign relations experience hampers most of the possible presidential candidates, with the exception of Clinton and of John Kerry who doesn't seem interested in running.

Although Webb seems to share a distaste for Wall Street with Warren, he seems to be off kilter on social issues as espoused by the current Democratic party. I just don't see that as a good match.

I got a lot of my information from the link below. What does seem like a strong ticket is John Kerry for President and Elizabeth Warren for VP.

On the other hand, Roy, I'm starting to like O'Malley because I'm more comfortable with most of his beliefs, but again, I don't think that he has the Foreign Policy experience. He may be a good VP for Clinton or Kerry IMO.

Well, I'm sure that you realize by now, I can be pretty opinionated.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 8:34 PM

As for point 2, I think it just shows she won't take any you know what from the banks! As far as foreign policy experience, a good strong VP like Webb would do the trick. She had to face Scott Brown and the Republicans desperately wanted to hold onto that seat. I think she's tougher than she lets on to.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 2:34 PM

Yes, I think the Indiana governor may be having a rude awakening. Any Borowitz took the following shot at him yesterday. Pence sounds a lot like our governor.

March 30, 2015

Indiana Governor Stunned By How Many People Seem to Have Gay Friends

By Andy Borowitz

INDIANAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report)--Indiana Governor Mike Pence is "stunned and amazed" that so many people appear to have gay friends, Pence has confirmed.

Speaking to reporters in his office in Indianapolis, Pence said that he made the astonishing discovery about gay friends late last week.

"A lot of everyday people have gay friends, and they're not afraid to call and/or e-mail you to tell you that," Pence said. "To be honest, I'm still trying to process it all."

Pence said that from what he has been able to gather thus far, the phenomenon of "ordinary folks" having gay friends "has been going on for years."

"You could be walking down the street, and without you knowing it, this person is friends with gays and that person is, too," he said. "It really seems to be pretty widespread."

"It's the darnedest thing," he added.

While Pence acknowledged that he has "no gay friends personally," the growing popularity of being friends with gays has made him question whether he has been "missing the boat on this."

"When I see so many people having gay friends, it makes me wonder if I should go out and get one," he said. "But I guess that would be kind of hard for me to do now."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 1:31 PM

Did anyone see the Indiana Governors speech this morning. I think he was covering his butt!

He pretty much blamed bad reporting to think it was anything about keeping the gay community out of businesses.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 11:55 AM

Yes it is, and very eye opening about big banks at least that big bank. I like her stand on big banks and Wall Street but I have a few concerns about her.

1. This is her first term as a senator and she hasn't had to go against the Republican attacks that Clinton has been subjected to. She isn't tried and tested.

2. The conversation with the bank guy disintegrated into an argument. It's easy for me to say, I know, but she needs to work on having discussions that maybe cover some ground. In her retelling of the story it was a debate that she was having, not a discussion.

3. Her main interests seem to be domestic and I haven't seen an example of her foreign policy experience. Maybe you have and maybe I need to do some more research.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 9:46 AM

Nifty piece on Warren.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 7:36 AM

Since I'm picking on Cruz today, here is another gem from Andy Borowitz.

March 24, 2015

President Signs Order Making Ted Cruz Ineligible for Obamacare

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) -- Just hours after Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) told CNN that he had no choice but to sign up for Obamacare, President Barack Obama signed an executive order making Cruz ineligible for coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

"Clearly, the hardship of receiving Obamacare was causing Ted a great deal of pain," the President said. "This should take care of that."

Obama acknowledged that the executive order, which makes Cruz the only American expressly forbidden from signing up for Obamacare, was an extraordinary measure, but added, "I felt it was a necessary humanitarian gesture to protect Ted from the law he hates."

Even as he signed the order, the President said that he was "torn" about barring Cruz from coverage, stating,"He's definitely someone who would benefit from seeing a doctor."

In an official statement released later in the day, Cruz blasted the executive order and accused Obama of distorting his position on Obamacare: "I never said I didn't want to have it. I said I didn't want everyone else in the country to have it."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 30, 2015, at 12:23 PM

I found this article from Forbes where it talks about Cruz comparing himself to Galileo as a climate change denier. He got it wrong proving once again that not only does he know nothing about science but he also knows nothing about Galileo and his times.

The author of the article made the point that if Cruz was a good student at Harvard he can't really be that dumb but is instead pandering to his contributor base: the oil companies.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 30, 2015, at 12:19 PM

Yes, Clinton is cozy with Wall Street. They are self made rich people and I think that is a factor in what Hillary Clinton's political make-up is.

On Obama not fighting for the Public Option, I think that was a hard sell and he went with what he could get through then (a compromise) in order to try to improve later.

I'm glad that the press is starting to identify other presidential candidates on the Democratic side. They've already been identifying Republican candidates. Maybe these are possible candidates if Clinton has a serious problem or are possibly vice-presidential candidates. I'll do some more looking into this.

One of the reasons that I started posting to the blogs was to become better informed about our current politics because I have to do some research.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 29, 2015, at 8:59 PM

Loved your last post! As far as O'Malley, I read another article about him, and his other concern is that Clinton may be way to cozy with wall street, which is one of my concerns also. As far as I'm concerned it is neither here nor there whether he supported her or worked for her campaign in 2008. I was no supporter of her then either. I supported Obama in 2008, but when he betrayed the progressives by not fighting for the public option, I wrote him off as just another politician.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Mar 29, 2015, at 8:23 PM

Here is a commentary from Andy Borowitz. It's based on Indiana's Religious Freedom law which allows businesses to discriminate on gays and lesbians based on their religion.

March 26, 2015

Indiana Defines Stupidity as Religion

By Andy Borowitz

INDIANAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report)--In a history-making decision, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana has signed into law a bill that officially recognizes stupidity as a religion.

Pence said that he hoped the law would protect millions of state residents "who, like me, have been practicing this religion passionately for years."

The bill would grant politicians like Pence the right to observe their faith freely, even if their practice of stupidity costs the state billions of dollars.

While Pence's action drew the praise of stupid people across America, former Arizona Governor Jan Brewer was not among them. "Even I wasn't dumb enough to sign a bill like that," she said.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 29, 2015, at 7:28 PM

Sorry Brenda, I hadn't seen your comment before I made my last one.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 29, 2015, at 6:10 PM

Well, I hope that he doesn't show up again. One thing is for sure is that he gives himself away almost immediately.

Roy, I finally saw an article with one of the names that you had brought out as possible Democratic presidential candidates. It was in Huffington. I think that O'Malley made an error by saying that the presidency wasn't a crown to be passed between two families (he meant Bush and Clinton). It made it look like a cheap shot at Clinton whose campaign he worked on in 2008.

Here's the link.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 29, 2015, at 6:08 PM

Things are not what they appear many times and there are more personalities involved than a 24 hour screening of Syibl from multiple sides. Let's leave the armchair analysis as off topic and back to civil discussions of politics. Thank You.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Sun, Mar 29, 2015, at 5:32 PM

MrMister, CB was without a doubt hopeforamerica, and before that he was Buckshot61. Everyone is fairly sure that before that he was mtnhomer. Same words, same arrogant attitude towards the rules. After yesterday I'm pretty sure he won't show up again. Getting outed like that and all.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Mar 29, 2015, at 4:30 PM

I'll have to agree with you Sam. It was interesting for sure. I wonder why after all this time he decided to apologize to everyone. Strange!!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Mar 29, 2015, at 4:20 PM

It was an interesting day yesterday evening on the political forum.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 29, 2015, at 4:08 PM

Oh, I thought it escalated. I guess enough was enough. However, I don't think CB was all those others, he's been on here since long before them.

-- Posted by MrMister on Sun, Mar 29, 2015, at 1:16 PM

Trudy did get out of control towards the end, letting emotions overwhelm logic, always dangerous. Being passionate about a subject is one thing. Being verbally abusive is another. Mike's standard response to us was that we were communist and sellouts and traitors. CB's response was to call everyone vermin among other names. Not cool or allowed by the rules. Mountain Home News is kind enough to allow us to have this forum, the least we can do is abide by the rules.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Mar 28, 2015, at 9:11 PM

I missed some of the details but I found Trudy to be almost as insulting as CoolBreeze. They had pretty much stopped all political discussion except their insults and threats.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sat, Mar 28, 2015, at 8:18 PM

Mr, I had been posting under the old progressive. CB started calling everyone other than Mike vermin and other names. He then challenged me to a "courage check". Trudy took offence to this given my advanced age, and challenged CB to a "courage check" at a local open handed combat facility, no guns allowed. More name calling, and then poof, they were gone. CB was Buckshot before, as well as hope for america, and I suspect mountainhomer. Until CB called me out, there was no name calling from our side on a personal level.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Mar 28, 2015, at 8:08 PM

It started with talk of Trudy and CoolBreeze meeting up and then they started a lot of tough talk implying what they would do when they met. Mike participated, supporting CoolBreeze.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 28, 2015, at 2:09 PM

They were implying threats to each other, the last that I saw.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 28, 2015, at 2:05 PM

I meant did anyone see the catalyst that caused them to get booted, not my comment. Surely something was said to cause it. Was a direct threat made?

P.S. Welcome back Roy.

-- Posted by MrMister on Sat, Mar 28, 2015, at 1:24 PM

MrMister, see my post below as to why they got kicked off again!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 8:56 PM

Well heck,

Gone for a few days and, poof, they're gone. What was the catalyst?

I understand why my comment was removed (a little abbreviation referring to a bad word beginning with "f"), but what did they say to get banned? Anyone see it before it was removed?

-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 8:37 PM

Forgot the link.


-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 2:07 PM

I just read this and it made me sick to my stomach. It documents exactly what happened to more than 200,000 of our troops in Iraq in the first Gulf War. How anyone can read this and defend Reagan or Bush 1 is beyond me!

alwaysright and dudewheresmycar, if you would care to discuss this article, I'd be more than happy to engage you in respectful discussion.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 2:07 PM

Mike and CB got ejected do to their total disregard for the rules. Mike's been ejected twice and CB has been rejected 3 or 4 times. You've been around long enough to see their behavior. We on the left and in the center belief in respectful discussion, not name calling and threats!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 1:47 PM

Roy, I'll look more at them.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 9:08 AM

Where's Cool Breeze? In the penalty box? You liberals are amazing, the other team has left the field and you still can't score.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 7:41 AM

James Henry "Jim" Webb, Jr. is an American politician and author. He has served as a United States Senator from Virginia, Secretary of the Navy, Assistant Secretary of Defense, congressional staffer, and Marine Corps officer.

Martin Joseph O'Malley is an American politician who served as the 61st Governor of Maryland, from 2007 to 2015. First elected in 2006, he defeated incumbent Governor Robert Ehrlich, and again in a 2010 rematch

Jim Webb has good credentials in some areas, and is considered somewhat conservative. O'Malley is just left of center.

As to those who got kicked off, CB/HFA/BS/MH has shown he doesn't care about the rules. This makes twice for Mike, same problem. They did it to themselves.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Mar 26, 2015, at 5:53 PM

Roy, I've seen very little of those guys. My major concern is foreign policy because things have gotten pretty complicated and I think it takes a lot of restraint to not give in to the warmongers.

That is my only concern with Clinton, but these other guys don't seem to have a lot of foreign policy experience, or am I missing something?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 26, 2015, at 4:16 PM

When you ban everyone on the right, and the left has no one to argue with, the forum dries up. Not much chance for good banter when the only ones left think Obama walks on water. The political forum is going to end up like the front page forum. A waste of space.

-- Posted by always right on Thu, Mar 26, 2015, at 8:38 AM

On the republican side, after they get done feasting on their own, I don't see any kind of viable candidate emerging. On the democratic side, Warren would energize the progressive/populist base and would draw the most fire because wall street despises her. Joe Biden is a joke. Webb and O'Malley represent a break from the perceived dynasty of Clinton. As much as I like Sanders, sadly he is unelectable. Realistically, Clinton will most likely win because she is so chummy with wall street and would be more acceptable to independents. A very sad state of affairs.

Regards, T.O.P.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Mar 25, 2015, at 8:25 AM

T.O.P. although I am also not a big fan of Hilary Clinton, right now she looks better than any of the other candidates whether they are Democratic or Republican.

Now John Kerry would be interesting as a candidate, maybe a vice presidential candidate. Elizabeth Warren seems to have integrity and is smart and educated but I don't think that she has the experience that Clinton or Kerry have.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 24, 2015, at 10:10 PM

It seems that Ted Cruz, who is seriously crazy, has his own version of Karl Rove. This is Jeff Roe. The guy plays very dirty on campaigns and now he is working for Cruz. This promises to be very entertaining as the Republican candidates start running against each other.

I have to think that Cruz hired someone that uses dirty tactics because that's the kind of guy that he is too.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM

Mike may not write any letters since he wouldn't be able to respond. They wiped everything that he posted anywhere.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Mar 24, 2015, at 6:40 PM

Too funny Ms.M

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Mar 24, 2015, at 6:38 PM

Hector would be a fitting name, not as a noun but as a verb.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 24, 2015, at 3:06 PM

Lets see CB will come up with a new handle, Mike will go back to writing letters to the editor and Trudy might become Hector . lol!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Mar 24, 2015, at 2:28 PM

Me neither on Hillary T.O.P. however the alternatives don't appeal to me either.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 24, 2015, at 2:01 AM

Any thoughts out there as to who should represent the democrats next year? I for one can't support Hillary for a multitude of reasons. So far there is maybe Sanders and O'Malley. Warren who would be very electable but so far has said she won't run. On the republican side far too many of them advocate one form or another of a theocracy.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Mar 23, 2015, at 8:04 PM

I remember the times before CB/BS showed up. You could actually have a conversation with Mike/zook without all the name calling and insults. I understand people get passionate, but what we've seen lately isn't passion!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Mar 23, 2015, at 6:08 PM

Here is a little humor from the New Yorker.

March 22, 2015

Disturbed Man Tries to Get Into White House

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) -- A disturbed Canadian man wants to try to get into the White House, according to reports.

The man, who was born in Calgary before drifting to Texas, has been spotted in Washington, D.C. in recent years exhibiting erratic behavior, sources said.

In 2013, he gained entry to the United States Senate and was heard quoting incoherently from a children's book before he was finally subdued.

More recently, he was heard ranting about a plan to dismantle large components of the federal government, such as the Internal Revenue Service and the nation's health-care program.

Despite a record of such bizarre episodes and unhinged utterances, observers expressed little concern about his plans to get into the White House, calling them "delusional."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 23, 2015, at 3:44 PM

Maybe T.O.P., now we can have some respectful political discussions, until CoolBreeze and Trudy return, although I would really like for a conservative to post. One that can be respectful.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 23, 2015, at 3:39 PM

CB has been kicked off repeatedly, Mike has been here forever, Trudy? I will enjoy the peace in order to discuss subjects like adults.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Mar 23, 2015, at 2:38 PM

Maybe there needs to be a list posted of everyone who has been blocked from posting. We could match the old name up with the new name. We could also match the current name up with the current name! I know a few using two different names. Sam?

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Mar 23, 2015, at 1:02 PM

Ted Cruz is now officially running for President on the demagogue ticket.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 23, 2015, at 8:40 AM

doubt any will miss CB,Mike,and lastly Trudy

-- Posted by proof positive on Mon, Mar 23, 2015, at 8:00 AM


-- Posted by Geordey on Sun, Mar 22, 2015, at 9:26 PM

Seems Brenda has had her fill of CB, Mike and Trudy.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 22, 2015, at 7:57 PM

That's a lot of paranoia and intrigue. Trudy isn't Wayne. How many people have you called Wayne now, about 40?

-- Posted by Soc7 on Sun, Mar 22, 2015, at 7:22 PM

Since Mike declined to name his source regarding the release of felons, I did my own research and this is what I found. Yes, the number of felons released is fairly accurate. Now as to the whys and wheres which I'm sure his talking head neglected to mention.

Some of the felons were released due to a federal court order regarding overcrowding due to sufficient funding to build new detention centers and a federal prohibition on private prisons. The federal government, like Idaho, discovered the the private sector, when it comes to prisons, is neither better or cheaper when cost of lawsuits and settlements are taken into account. The rest were released because they had finished their sentences. They weren't deported because their home country refused to take them. I'm sure that there are those out there who would love to open concentration ah excuse me internment camps for those felons, but there are laws against those kind of actions, since being in this country without proper papers is a misdemeanor under federal law, and you can't detain people indefinitely on a misdemeanor charge.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 22, 2015, at 1:47 PM

I kind of think that they are not going to be meeting.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 22, 2015, at 11:29 AM

OMG ! I just stopped by and see were going to have another blog meetup? Nampa? How exciting !

Please take a lot of pictures as I won't be able to attend this time around.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Mar 22, 2015, at 10:54 AM

One last thought on Iran. I wonder how the far right deals with the fact that the SOCIALIST government of France seems more aligned with their position than Obama's?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 22, 2015, at 9:52 AM

A little clarity on CB's post about Iran.

"As the supreme leader spoke, a crowd chanted, "Death to America." Khamenei said the rhetoric was justified because America is behind all threats to Iran."


CB's link featured a 1 MINUTE LONG CLIP. Once again take a short snippet and distort reality!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 22, 2015, at 9:33 AM

1st of all, this is a blog post and I'm not trying to represent it as news, which some on the right do when they post opinion pieces or blogs. At least I'm honest about what I post.

Forget the Liz Mair kerfuffle: The trickiest news for Scott Walker this week is the Wisconsin job creation numbers. Which were bad.

The Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages shows Wisconsin tying with Vermont and Iowa for 38th place in the nation for creating jobs. In the previous quarter, Wisconsin was 31st in the nation for job creation. So that's a tumble, from low to lower. In its coverage, theMilwaukee Journal-Sentinel notes that in the Midwest, Wisconsin and Iowa are tied for last place in creating private sector jobs.

This could present some challenges for the Republican governor and likely 2016 presidential contender. And this quarter's numbers aren't the only vulnerability for Walker when it comes to his economic record. The governor famously promised during his 2010 campaign that the state would create 250,000 private-sector jobs if he got elected. That didn't happen. Instead, as the Capital Times reports, the state saw 137,400 new private-sector jobs in Walker's first gubernatorial term--a little more than half of what he promised.

That's not to suggest that Wisconsin employment numbers are all bad news. The state's unemployment rate has been falling since the governor was elected in 2010, and it's below the national average.

AshLee Strong, press secretary for Walker's PAC, Our American Revival, touted the state's economic record under the governor.

"Under Governor Walker's leadership, Wisconsin employment is now at an all-time high of nearly 3 million workers, the unemployment rate is the lowest since 2008 at 4.8 percent, and 156,800 private sector jobs have been created according to monthly estimates," she emailed.

Nick Novak of the conservative Wisconsin think tank MacIver Institute also pointed to the state's low unemployment numbers when I asked him about job creation.

"However, our state's job growth still lags many other states," he continued. "This serves as proof that more reforms are needed to get Wisconsin's economy going again."

It also serves as a reminder that--putting aside inside-the-beltway concerns about staffing--one of the biggest issues for Walker on the presidential campaign trail will be the Badger State economy.


Now what is really interesting is that they are claiming credit based on numbers that they call bogus and politically motivated.

You can't have it both ways, calling numbers bogus and then using those same numbers to justify your position that things are getting better.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 22, 2015, at 8:12 AM

I didn't know AP, Reuters, CSM, AFP, cia.gov were leftwing commie websites.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 9:13 PM

Mike, cite your source please.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 9:08 PM

Liberal utopia...


-- Posted by lawyersareleeches on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 5:39 PM

From you CB, and your dismissing any of our web links.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 12:19 PM

More made up information from Cool Breeze/the sites that he frequents.

"Obama in one of his books said he would stand with muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. To date, this is the ONLY promise he has ever kept." -- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 10:04 PM

This is what factcheck.org says about that false claim.

A second false quote has Obama saying he would "stand with the Muslims," words that don't appear in his book. What he actually said is that he would stand with American immigrants from Pakistan or Arab countries should they be faced with something like the forced detention of Japanese-American families in World War II:

Misleading e-mail: From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

Obama did not say he would side with "the Muslims," which could easily be read as meaning he would side with the world's Muslim population even if it meant working outside the best interests of the United States. He said he would side with "them," referring back to his mention of immigrant communities and specifically to "Arab and Pakistani Americans." Furthermore, he was speaking of an "ugly direction" like the mass internment of Japanese Americans.

This false quote goes hand in hand with the equally false rumor that Obama is a Muslim.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 9:45 AM

I don't pay attention to how I spell the name of a loser, right wing website that try's to install software on my computer!

Try using AP, Reuters, AFP, CSM or other real news sites if you ever want to have any credibility!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 9:13 AM

CB, once again your link shows the continuation of the clown car express's campaign of misinformation. Try reading this link. Also notice the expert it cites.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 8:13 AM

Mike, do you remember buying into the clown car express's claims that Common Core was federal law until I finally copy and pasted proof that it was a program devised and implemented by the states, and you finally had to admit the truth that it wasn't a federal law or program???

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 7:56 AM

I tried to check your link CB, but I don't allow right wing websites the power to install software on my computer. If the information on your link is so valid, I'm sure you can find a more relevant website than biebert.com to link to.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM

I'm guessing many have forgot what Iran was like before the Iranian revolution. Iran was one of the most westernized out of any middle eastern country over there. Then we got involved and the Ayatollah was put in charge, the views of the people are very similar to ours. Try living there for a few years or having family from there, then maybe you would understand.

-- Posted by illuminati009 on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 2:14 AM

Iran may have been westernized before the revolution, but the Shah's regime was brutal when it came to dealing with dissent. Many also remembered the hows and whys of how the Shah came back into power. I posted a link to the cia.gov report that details our actions in Iran in the 50's. These actions eventually lead to the revolution in 1979. While many younger Iranians may be considered very moderate, the current regime is just as dedicated to holding power as the regime it replaced. At the end of the day, the situation in Iran would be far different than it is today had we stayed out of their affairs. Instead we opted to support Big Oil and their quest for cheap oil, even if it meant ripping off the people of Iran.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 7:18 AM




These articles are old; some of you may have read articles discussing the points they contain. I'm anxiously waiting to read the final agreement, then we'll have something to talk about. I do hope they're able to come up with one.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 8:45 PM

Last I checked Iran was getting it's reactors from Russia.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 7:54 PM

The U.S will be giving nuclear technology to Iran? Where's that coming from?

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 7:37 PM

More fear mongering and misinformation from the clown car express. That's all he knows how to do it seems.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 6:56 PM


-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 4:36 PM

T.O.P., do you think that Cool Breeze will ever give up and just post the truth?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 4:13 PM

Speaking of Ted Cruz, the man is a real piece of work, misstating facts from a source he quoted. The shock value of his statement plays well to the clown car express who eat up every word without ever thinking for themselves.

Read and enjoy. You can try and discount the weblink, but his statement is public record.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 4:10 PM

Now on the false information that no fatwa was issued.

"As I said, the fatwa not only was issued, widely acknowledged by high officials of the Islamic Republic, and considered by them to be binding law, but it has been reaffirmed numerous times. Here is an item from the conservative Iranian news agency Mehr dated April 11, 2012:

"The fatwa that the Supreme Leader has issued is the best guarantee that Iran will never seek to produce nuclear weapons, Judiciary Chief Ayatollah Sadeq Amoli Larijani said on Wednesday.

Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has issued a fatwa declaring that the production, stockpiling, and use of nuclear weapons are all haram (prohibited in Islam)."

I think the head of the Iranian judiciary knows a little bit better whether Khamenei issued a fatwa than does a project of Israeli military intelligence."


Cool Breeze, let me know if I need to provide again the impressive list of credentials for Juan Cole as a Middle Eastern expert.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 4:08 PM

Foreign policy is the sole discretion of the President, check the constitution. Cite proof of your other assertions. Please, nothing from the clown car express.

Don't forget, by treaty, you know, the one we signed, every country is allowed nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. This agreement is all about adding more layers of verification. Like Reagan said, "Trust but verify."

I notice that you didn't even address your buddies falling lock, stock and barrel for the drivel from the clown car express, you just deflect, as usual!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 4:01 PM

Cool Breeze, the link that you provided totally did not support your claims except that the message was addressing Iranians on Nowruz, the Persian New year. You must have gotten your claims from WND or other extremist of the extreme right wing pretend news sites. This is what the article actually said.

Washington: US President Barack Obama told the people and leaders of Iran on Thursday that nuclear talks presented "the best opportunity in decades" for the two countries to transform long-frayed ties, but warned there was still work to do in the tortuous negotiations.

It came after mixed messages emerged from the talks earlier in the day in Switzerland, where US Secretary of State John Kerry and his Iranian counterpart hailed "progress," but a European negotiator said Tehran and the six major powers were "pretty far from a deal."

The countdown has begun with a March 31 deadline to agree to the outlines of an agreement that would see Iran scale back its nuclear programme in return for relief from sanctions.

In his annual address to mark the Persian new year festival of Nowruz, Obama -- in a video message -- spoke directly to the Iranian people and their leaders.

"This year, we have the best opportunity in decades to pursue a different future between our countries," the president said.

He did not give names, but Obama's Republican foes, allies Israel and Gulf countries -- as well as hawks in Tehran -- have all voiced opposition to an agreement.

"The days and weeks ahead will be critical. Our negotiations have made progress, but gaps remain," he said.

"And there are people, in both our countries and beyond, who oppose a diplomatic resolution.

"My message to you -- the people of Iran -- is that together we have to speak up for the future we seek."

Obama's video was subtitled in Farsi and included a direct appeal to Iran's large and youthful population, many of whom have known only antagonism between the United States and Iran.

'Mistrust and fear'

The 1979 Iranian revolution and subsequent capture of US embassy hostages in Tehran led to a rupture in diplomatic relations that is only now starting to be repaired, and Obama acknowledged that: "For decades, our nations have been separated by mistrust and fear."

But he added: "I believe that our nations have a historic opportunity to resolve this issue peacefully -- an opportunity we should not miss."

The mooted agreement, due to be finalised by July, is aimed at convincing the world after a stand-off now in its 13th year that Iran won't build nuclear weapons under the guise of its civilian programme.

The highly complex deal would likely involve Iran reducing in scope its nuclear activities, allowing ultra-tight inspections, exporting nuclear material and limiting development of new nuclear machinery.

In exchange Iran would be granted staggered relief from the mountain of painful sanctions that have strangled its oil exports and hammered its economy.

Tehran, which denies wanting nuclear weapons, also wants to expand its activities in order to fuel nuclear power stations and meet its energy needs.

Speaking in the Swiss city of Lausanne, where the talks are taking place, the European diplomat said he did not expect a breakthrough by Friday, the tentative scheduled end of this round of meetings, meaning that negotiators will likely have to return next week.

Iran's deputy foreign minister Abbas Araqchi also hinted that could happen, saying Tehran was "prepared to prolong the negotiations if necessary."

Negotiators missed two deadlines last July and November to clinch a deal despite numerous rounds of talks around the world.

But Secretary of State Kerry cannot afford a new extension, experts say, with Obama's Republican opponents teeing up new sanctions legislation that would likely kill the entire process.

The Republicans and Israel's freshly re-elected Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu -- whose country is widely assumed to have nukes itself -- fear the agreement will not stop Iran from getting the bomb.

Obama's administration has repeatedly warned that congressional action at the height of negotiations could infuriate Iran and provide it with an excuse to pull out of talks.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 3:54 PM

CB, considering your golfing, shooting buddy bought it lock, stock and barrel from the misinformation train, nuff said.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 12:50 PM

T.O.P., great post on Cruz and his attempt to repeal the federal law that doesn't exist. Cruz is an idiot.

Along the line of idiots in Congress, Andy Borowitz had an article.

March 13, 2015

Congress's Approval Rating No Longer Detectable by Current Technology

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) -- After a challenging week for the legislative body, the approval rating of the United States Congress has shrunk to a point where it is no longer detectable by the technology currently available, a leading pollster said on Friday.

Davis Logsdon, who heads the highly regarded Opinion Research Institute at the University of Minnesota, said that his polling unit has developed highly sensitive measurement technology in recent years to gauge Congress's popularity as it fell into the single digits, but added that "as of this week, Congress is basically flatlining."

"At the beginning of the week, you could still see a slight flicker of approval for Congress," he said. "Then--bam!--the lights went out."

Logsdon said, however, that people should resist drawing the conclusion that Congress's approval rating now stands at zero. "They may have support in the range of .0001 per cent or, say, .0000001 per cent," he said. "Our equipment just isn't advanced enough to measure it."

Logsdon said that the swift descent of Congress's approval rating below detectable levels has surprised experts in the polling profession. "A couple of years ago, when they shut down the government, I wondered, What could they possibly do to become less popular than this?" the pollster said. "Now we know."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 10:00 AM

Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse when it comes to Ted Cruz, this gem shows up. One would think that a U.S. Senator would know what in fact is a federal law before opening his yap. Ted Cruz illustrates the IQ the far right has to offer. All they really have to offer is fearmongering and misinformation.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 20, 2015, at 8:53 AM

I don't want to see the mullahs with their finger on the button, but I don't believe we should limit any legitimate effort made by Iran to develop a reliable source of energy for their nation. It is widely accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons, but I understand they get zero power from any nuclear power plants.

Do you suppose some of our support of Israel is based on some sort of guilt rooted in our relatively late entry into the Second World War; that and a desire to legitimize our presence in the region to secure vital energy resources? Sure it is. I think it may also have something to do with a self-fulfilling prophecy, guided by those who believe that our nation is at risk of being smitten by God because of our disagreements with the mortal leadership of his most favored nation. Which is ludicrous. I don't believe a God with an eye for infinitesimal detail would dole out indiscriminate wholesale punishment because we aren't in agreement with Baby Wantsayoohoo*. Smirk. *Thanx to Letterman's Top Ten.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 8:17 PM

Very enjoyable article, Dave. I need to read some more of those.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 3:22 PM


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 2:42 PM

Sam, Ben Carson just doesn't seem to be presidential material and I'm starting to doubt if he was really a good neurosurgeon or just someone that had good advisers/doctors/nurses carrying him, and good publicity to make it look like it was all him.

-- Posted by Soc7 on Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 1:22 PM

Is it true?......has someone blogging here had a legal name change?

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 8:31 AM

Ben Carson has apparently been studying up on Foreign Policy but he is still making a lot of mistakes and excusing it by saying that he will have advisers that will worry about the little details. The below quote is eye opening on his incompetence to be President of the United States.

"I've read a lot in the last six months, no question about that," Carson said. "There's a lot of material to learn. There's no question about that." Carson said he wants to focus on the big picture in American foreign policy and leave the minutiae for experts.

"I have to go back to something that I feel is a fundamental problem, and that is we spend too much time trying to get into these little details that are easily within the purview of the experts that you have available to you," Carson said. "And I think where we get lost is not being able to define what our real mission is, and not being able to strategize in terms of how do we defeat our enemies, how do we support our allies?"


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 8:30 AM

Bibi still needs to form a coalition. I wonder how that will work out. Even with all the right wing parties and nationalist and religious fanatics he still doesn't have 61.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 7:08 PM

Sam, along with the Republican's game plan for the three un-lofty goals they have their are other goals being worked on by one of my least favorite Tea Party crazy-man, Ted Cruz.

This science and climate denier is now in charge of the committee that provides oversight to NASA. He wants them to stop studying the Earth but to go into space. Maybe he thinks that after the earth is finally destroyed by pollution the lucky few will get on a spaceship to go to another planet that they can mine into oblivion.

For the short term he would just like them to shut up about climate change because that's what Big Oil tells him that they are paying him for.


-- Posted by Soc7 on Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 5:36 PM

Boehner and friends have finally revealed their plan for "governing". The want to stop Wall Street reform, repeal Obamacare and allow pollution. They are using a strategy from Newt Gingrich's time to tie the governments hands on the things that they want to get rid of but not the things that they want.

Good luck in 2016 Republicans.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 12:53 PM

Here are the actual facts on the right wing smear campaign trying to connect Obama to OneVoice. CoolBreeze when only extreme right wing sites are publishing a story and the story is word for word the same in each site that is called a right wing viral smear campaign.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 8:26 AM

Obama hasn't interfered in the Israeli election but lets look at the clearly visible evidence on who was interfering.

Rep. John Boehner invited Netanyahu just before the Israeli elections to speak to Congress therefore making it look like Netanyahu had some pull with the United States and make him a stronger candidate.

No citations are needed. Everyone knows that Boehner did it and everyone knows that the Republicans were very glad that he did. Mike and CoolBreeze were almost giddy over the speech by Netanyahu calling him Churchill.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 8:35 PM

It looks to me that Obama trying to influence the Israeli election is just another made up story. I notice CB doesn't even try to prove that one. CB check the Tea Party rags.

-- Posted by Geordey on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 5:54 PM

Beginning with your incorrect comment "Juan Cole (not his real name) is a leftist" your comment went downhill from there full of insults, and falsehoods.

Basically you would trust Robert Moon who held a public office but they don't say what public office and apparently has no other credentials except that he is bonafide Tea Party member.

My guess, BTW, is that Moon's public office was Dog Catcher. -- Robert Moon's posts and the examiner.com need to be put on disregard for thinking people.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 4:20 PM

Well said T.O.P.!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 1:00 PM

I don't support a nuclear ARMED Iran anymore than I support a nuclear armed Israel.

I trash Bibi because he is a racist, bigot and a warmonger. He wants nothing more than to provoke a war in the middle east and then expect us to put OUR troops in harms way because of his arrogance.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 12:28 PM

Now, Cool Breeze, contrast that with Robert Moon's your author's credentials.

"Robert Moon is a researcher, author, and constitutionalist. He has been active in the liberty movement for the last fifteen years and formerly held public office." -- from the examiner.com

"Robert Moon is an award-winning researcher, published author, and former Regional Coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots. He has organized for conservative causes and candidates for the last fifteen years and is a former Precinct Committeeman." -- from the Tea Party Tribune which he writes regularly for.

I couldn't find any awards that he has received.

There doesn't seem to be anything else on this fanatic anywhere else on the Web.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 12:24 PM

Here is a list of Juan Cole's credentials from the University of Michigan web site. Once again, CoolBreeze you speak of which you know nothing about.


*1975 B.A. History and Literature of Religions, Northwestern University

*1978 M.A. Arabic Studies/History, American University in Cairo

*1984 Ph.D. Islamic Studies, University of California Los Angeles

Professional History

*1984-1990 Assistant Professor of History, University of Michigan

*1990-1995 Associate Professor of History, University of Michigan

*1992-1995 Director, Center for Middle Eastern and North African Studies, University of Michigan

*1995-2007 Professor of History, University of Michigan

*2007- Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of History, University of Michigan

*2009-2012 Director, Center for South Asian Studies, University of Michigan

*2012-2013 Director, Center for Middle Eastern and North African Studies, University of Michigan

Scholastic Awards and Grants

; Collegiate Professorship, College of Literature, Science and the Arts, University of Michigan, 2008-

; James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism, Hunter College, 2005.

; Hudson Research Professorship, Winter, 2003

; Award for Research in Turkey, May, 1999, International Institute, U-M

; Research Excellence Award, College of LSA, U-M, August, 1997

; OVPR and LSA Faculty Assistance Fund Grants, June, 1995

; LSA Faculty Assistance Fund Grant, March 1994

; Rackham Research Partnership, 1992-93

; National Endowment for the Humanities, Jan.-June, 1991

; Office of the Vice-President for Research, U-M (Pakistan), Summer 1990

; Horace H. Rackham Faculty Grant, Egypt, Summer 1988

; SSRC/ACLS Post-Doctoral Award, England, Summer 1986

; Fulbright-Hays Islamic Civilization Postdoctoral Award, Egypt, 1985-86

; SSRC/ACLS Doctoral Fellowship, Pakistan, India, UK, 1981-83

; Fulbright-Hays Doctoral Fellowship, India, 1982

At the University of Michigan, he teaches courses on the modern history of the Middle East and on South Asia. He regularly teaches History 241, America and Middle Eastern Wars. He also offers a survey, History 443 Modern Middle East History. For graduate students he offersr History 664 Studies on the Modern Middle East, History 749 Seminar on the Modern Middle East, and History 793 The Study of the Near East, and has co-taught History 615 Comparative World History.

Recent National Service

*Editorial Board, International Affairs, Chatham House, London. (2008 - )

* Editorial Board, Political Science Quarterly. (2008- )

*Middle East Studies Association of North America:

◦President, 2006. ◾1999-2004. Editor, The International Journal of Middle East Studies (Published by Cambridge University Press for the Middle East Studies Association of North America).

◾1998 Program Committee chair, MESA annual conference

◾1996, 1989 Officer Nominating Committee

◾1991, Book Award Committee, Middle East Studies Association

◾1988-1992 Book Review Editor, International Journal of Middle East Studies

*Society for Iranian Studies Council, 1987-1989

Editorial Board, 1991-


◦2003- Editor, H-Mideast-Politics Electronic Forum.

◦1997- Editor, H-Bahai Electronic Forum and Journal

◦1995-2000 Editorial Board, Critique

◦1993-1996 Social Science Research Council: Joint Committee on the Near and Middle East

◦1993 Columbia University, Middle East Institute: Outside Reviewer.

◦1992-1994 Eastern Consortium of Middle East Centers: Chairman, Persian-Turkish Summer Programs

◦1992-1995 American Institute of Iranian Studies: Board of Directors

◦1992 American Council of Learned Societies: Fellowship Selection Committee

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 12:15 PM

Speaking of posting trash CoolBreeze,what about that HIL-AR-IOUS examiner.com article?

Examiner.com lets just anybody post on it's site as long as it is conservative and sensationalized enough. Truth isn't a criteria. It's writers are paid based on how many views of the page occurs so it's best for a writer to make up a really big lie. It pretends to be a real news site.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 10:51 AM

OP, how can you defend the idea of a nuclear Iran?

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 9:11 AM

I dare you to backup that statement with anything I have posted!!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 10:06 AM

It appears that Netanyahu, fearing an election loss, is now promising apartheid to his extreme right wing supporters.

Apartheid Forever: Israel's Netanyahu rules out Palestinian Citizenship Rights

By Juan Cole | Mar. 17, 2015 |

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, under extreme pressure over the real possibility that he will lose the March 17 elections, has made a powerful appeal to his far right wing constituency by openly admitting that he will never allow a Palestinian state and that he intends to flood Israeli squatters into East Jerusalem and its environs to make sure this Occupied territory never returns to the Palestinians.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 8:53 AM

The following is from an AP article and I will provide the link. How Mike and CB can continue to defend a racist and bigot is beyond me. Then again, maybe Fox didn't bother covering this story.

"At midday, Netanyahu claimed high Arab voter turnout was putting his right wing Likud Party's rule "in danger," according to a posting on his Facebook page. "Arab voters are going to the polls in droves. Left wing organizations are bringing them in buses," he said."


-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 8:43 AM

No my head didn't explode. I am overcome with laughter over such a ridiculous post from a non respected wing nut site quoting a non respected source. CoolBreeze you seem desperate.

-- Posted by Geordey on Mon, Mar 16, 2015, at 9:19 PM

The examiner.com? Ha ha ha.

-- Posted by Geordey on Mon, Mar 16, 2015, at 8:30 PM

CoolBreeze, I'm afraid that you failed to notice that there was no question mark at the end of my sentence when I said "That doesn't make a lot of sense." I then stated my conclusion: "The Republicans don't seem to know how to "govern".

My conclusion is a natural result of actually reading the article, plus others, where it has been pointed out that Loretta Lynch's confirmation is being held up for Republican games using the confirmation to try to get their way on votes.

This is just the same old game of sacrificing the welfare of the country in order to bring forth the conservative backward thinking agenda.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 16, 2015, at 3:29 PM

This is a great article that speaks to the delays in confirming Loretta Lynch for Attorney General. It has nothing to do with her, apparently, but she is being used to fight with Obama. So .... they hate the current Attorney General but won't let a replacement get started so that he can really leave.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. The Republicans don't seem to know how to "govern".


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 16, 2015, at 1:00 PM

CoolBreeze, it looks to me like T.O.P. has sent links to CIA web sites which documents the information that you asked for and claimed that T.O.P. didn't know. It is immaterial that the information doesn't match what you want to believe.

"I'd ask you what govts. around the world America "overthrew", OP, but I doubt you actually know."

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 11:15 AM

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 16, 2015, at 9:36 AM

CB, I'm sorry that the CIA's admissions blow a hole in your right wing revisionist history. Why would they lie and implicate themselves in such nefarious actions?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Mar 16, 2015, at 7:02 AM

Mike, your last post resonates of the "Domino Theory" used to justify the war in VietNam. If South VietNam falls, all of southeast Asia will fall to the communist. That NEVER happened! 10's of thousands of American soldiers died, and even more came back wounded, both physically and mentally, all because of a failed theory!

Somehow I'm not surprised that you don't know that Bibi has run election ads in Israel featuring him addressing Congress, in a last ditch effort to hold onto power. I'm sure you don't know that his party doesn't have anything resembling a majority in their legislature. He rules because of alliances made with the most radical elements of Israeli politics, and his party is expected to lose even more seats this election cycle.

There is so much you don't know because of your determination to live in the past and your reliance on people like Savage.

Truly sad.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Mar 16, 2015, at 6:59 AM

I never realized a link to cia.gov was half baked. Someone is 2 cans short of a six pack and it isn't me.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 8:14 PM

OP, your grasp on history and the facts as they've unfolded is so embarrassingly wrong, I actually am starting to feel a little sorry for you.....almost. Your indoctrination by left wingers has completely ruined your chances of ever actually understanding anything unless it's from someone with a "D" behind his name. How sad for you.

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 5:23 PM

CB is the one who should be embarrassed by his lack of knowledge of history.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 6:55 PM

Talk about drinking kool-aid! Maybe kool-aid laced with LSD!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 6:37 PM

Trudy, that link is hilarious. It also conveys the intellectual ability of the tea party.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 6:30 PM

If after reading the link on Iran, you can't understand why the Iranian's in particular hate our guts, then you live in absolute, complete denial of historical facts!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 6:25 PM

Same for Iran.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 6:13 PM

CB, I hope you enjoy the read. Of course this is only what the "company" would admit to. I do expect an apology!


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 6:09 PM

CoolBreeze, regarding your post "Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 5:19 PM".

1. Your poll is 5 years old and is about the DEMOGRAPHICS of those that support the Tea Party when asked on a telephone survey.

2. The quote that I provided has nothing to do with demographics of the Tea Party but what they think.

I'll repeat the quote so that you can read it again.

"When you look at what animates the tea party, there are several different hatreds that are core to the tea party. They hate welfare. Especially, or particularly welfare that's understood as going to minorities. Not social security, for instance, but rather food stamps. Next, they're obsessed about Muslims and Islam. And they really see this sort of threatening, this external threat in the form of the Middle East, but also ostensibly an internal threat of Muslims coming into the United States ... They're deeply concerned about undocumented immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants from Mexico. Finally, they hate President Obama. And Obama seems to combine both this sense of welfare, of being a Muslim, of being a brown foreign other, right?"

-- Haney Lopez explaining the racial narratives that the Tea Party stands for.

This is the information Haney Lopez from Berkeley Law School.

Ian Haney L--pez is one of the nation's leading thinkers on how racism has evolved in the United States since the civil rights era. He is the author of three books and his writings have appeared across a range of sources, from the Yale Law Journal to the New York Times.

Haney L--pez's current research emphasizes the connection between racial divisions in society and growing wealth inequality in the United States. His most recent book, Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class, lays bare how conservative politicians exploit racial pandering to convince many voters to support policies that ultimately favor the very rich and hurt everyone else.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 5:50 PM

I saw an entertaining post on Facebook. It said something to the effect of, "it's a good thing that the plan to get Osama Bin Laden was a secret, or the Republican Senators would have sent him a letter."

It sounds like Mike and CoolBreeze would think that letter was a good idea too.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 5:25 PM

I can just about guarantee that if Jesus Christ ran as a liberal democrat, Bradbury would vote against him!!!!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 4:51 PM

Mike, you know what is REALLY stupid is complaining about a negotiation with Iran as stupid when you don't even know what are the terms being negotiated.

Obama does happen to be a Christian but that would be okay if he wasn't. After all this country was founded on religious freedom and separation of Church and State.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 3:59 PM

So I wonder if Bibi is replaced with a left of center Prime Minister, will we overthrow him also?????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 2:04 PM

The elected government of Chile. Replaced with a right wing dictator. The elected government of Iran. Replaced with the Shah of Iran, the most hated person in Iran at the time.

Chile, because the President was a Socialist. Iran, because the elected President threatened to nationalize the oil industry which was economically raping the Iranians.

Could it be that your rightwing education conveniently neglected to mention those??>????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 2:02 PM

I feel that Mike and CoolBreeze are trying to talk to others on the blog by talking about us, but since they don't understand us, they make a lot of wrong guesses. So Mike and CoolBreeze, not to make the same mistakes, I've been doing some studying up on the Tea Party beliefs. I found this in a Bill Moyers interview of Haney Lopez.

"When you look at what animates the tea party, there are several different hatreds that are core to the tea party. They hate welfare. Especially, or particularly welfare that's understood as going to minorities. Not social security, for instance, but rather food stamps. Next, they're obsessed about Muslims and Islam. And they really see this sort of threatening, this external threat in the form of the Middle East, but also ostensibly an internal threat of Muslims coming into the United States ... They're deeply concerned about undocumented immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants from Mexico. Finally, they hate President Obama. And Obama seems to combine both this sense of welfare, of being a Muslim, of being a brown foreign other, right?"

-- Haney Lopez explaining the racial narratives that the Tea Party stands for.

Does that sound about right? Oh, I forgot you aren't talking to me, so just nod your head.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 12:31 PM

V15, duh, like this is the first time we interfered in the politics of the middle east. The difference now is that affects allies of the hard right. How many times have we interfered to benefit business interest? Overthrowing elected governments around the world that WE didn't approve of. If your going to be indignant then criticize the acts that benefited your particular political ends.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 11:04 AM

Mike, your post applies to Godwin's Law. It says "if you mention Adolf Hitler or Nazis within a discussion thread, you've automatically ended whatever discussion you were taking part in."

Good job.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 15, 2015, at 8:45 AM

More on the letter to Iran from the 47 Republican Senators. Even their supporters, and other Republican Senators are saying "What did you do?"


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 10:32 PM

Transfer of wealth to big oil = good

Transfer of wealth to consumer = bad


As far as Mike goes, ignorance is bliss.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 2:31 PM

BP's 2014 profit report.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 12:28 PM

CB or Mike, did you even bother to READ the whole article????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 12:23 PM

"The dramatic drop in oil prices and the transfer of wealth to consumers is going to be very painful for the oil and gas industry, Bob Dudley, CEO of BP, told CNBC Saturday."

This is the opening line from the following link.You have to wonder what really has been going on in the world of big oil.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 7:35 AM

How NOT to win friends and influence people. Complain about the Air Force of which you are getting a pension to people in an Air Force town.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 8:08 PM

Always right. Here are the Federal Guidelines for a Credit Hour.

Federal Definition of the Credit Hour. For purposes of the application of this policy and in accord with federal regulations, a credit hour is an amount of work represented in intended learning outcomes and verified by evidence of student achievement that is an institutionally established equivalency that reasonably approximates

1. Not less than one hour of classroom or direct faculty instruction and a minimum of two hours out of class student work each week for approximately fifteen weeks for one semester or trimester hour of credit, or ten to twelve weeks for one quarter hour of credit, or the equivalent amount of work over a different amount of time, or

2. At least an equivalent amount of work as required outlined in item 1 above for other academic activities as established by the institution including laboratory work, internships, practica, studio work, and other academic work leading to the award of credit hours.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 6:38 PM

AR, you always seem to neglect homework hours which are mandatory if you want good grades. Generally 3 hours of homework for each hour in class.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 4:11 PM

Always Right I've done it too. Your math is wrong because it is not based on reality. When a 3 credit hour class is scheduled for just two days a week it is typically longer than 1 hour per class. It looks like you haven't attended college, so you don't know how much time and effort that takes up.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 9:16 PM

Sam clearing someone on the left needs to explain this to you since you don't believe anything the right says. A 3 credit class has nothing to do with three hours per day, or three hours per week. You get 3 credits at the end of the semester. Full time student gets 12 plus credits at the end of the semester. Google a class schedule, or just find a link. Find a 3 credit class. Then look at the hrs and days of that class. Report back with your findings. Im just trying to shine some light on your college plans. Google can be a verb.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 3:51 PM

Mike, that's too bad that you didn't get much out of the race relations training. It kind of looks to me that you went into the class with the attitude that you weren't going to get anything from it because it was mandatory.

I could be wrong but it sounds like the Air Force sent the right people to the training but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, or so they say.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 3:28 PM

I think the General used that term because Tom Cotton loves to play up his military background.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 2:54 PM

"Mutinous" now that's an interesting word, T.O.P. I still think that since they are not in the military that the word is closer to being a traitor because they undermined a negotiation amongst not just the United States and Iran but the P-5 + 1, which were negotiating with Iran.

The P-5 is the UN Security Council members: the United Kingdom, the United States, Russia, China, ad France. The +1 is Germany. These yahoos, don't even understand the role of the Senate in such negotiations and they didn't know what was being negotiated.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 2:01 PM

An interesting piece from the Washington Post.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 1:37 PM

Considering that Idaho's two Senators signed the treasonous letter to Iran I'd say that they need to be voted out.

On a lighter and still serious side Obama was on Kimmel. Some may enjoy this.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 11:20 AM

I remember during election night in the 2012 election or maybe it was the day after. Bill Maher said the election was a victory for Math because the Republicans kept claiming that the polls showed that Romney would win but their math was wrong.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 10:35 PM

15 who have broken the law out of 675,000 is a tremendous impact Cool Breeze! So what you are saying here is that is that .00002222 of those in the program have been recently arrested? In percentages that is .002222 percent, which is so small that it is 0 percent.

Your AP article was a fair article. One of it's sources could not be mentioned by name which was a little iffy but what the hey it was 0 percent. Weren't you trying to make a point that Obama was keeping criminals in the United States that should be deported. It looks like these 0 percent of criminals are getting deported to me.

We learned from the Ten Commandments not to bear false witness against thy neighbor even if it is Barack Obama.

Keep trying.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 10:09 PM

It's more likely that a post from Net Right Daily would be under most peoples heads rather than over them but I'm glad to see that you found it challenging CB.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 9:35 PM

Trudy, I didn't read the novel. I scrolled down for a long time and then saw that the source was NetRightDaily.com so I put the post on disregard.

Geordie, you make a good point. I looked for some factual information that I could grab on to, to discuss but found nothing. Just, chatter on the Internet, and a lecture for me not to address anything to Cool Breeze. That seemed odd to post on a political forum where everyone can see your comments but not wanting people to address him or her. That lecture has to go into disregard too.

With that, there seems to be nothing more to comment on.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 9:12 PM

I had already seen the link. I think that he looks stupid, with or without the crowd cheers after his one-liners.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 11:06 AM

Here is the list of signers of the traitor's letter to Iran. Of course both of Idaho's senators, being followers, signed it.

Richard Shelby (Ala.)

Jeff Sessions (Ala.)

Dan Sullivan (Alaska)

John McCain (Ariz.)

John Boozman (Ark.)

Tom Cotton (Ark.)

Cory Gardner (Colo.)

Marco Rubio (Fla.)

Johnny Isakson (Ga.)

David Perdue (Ga.)

Mike Crapo (Idaho)

Jim Risch (Idaho)

Mark Kirk (Ill.)

Chuck Grassley (Iowa)

Joni Ernst (Iowa)

Pat Roberts (Kansas)

Jerry Moran (Kansas)

Mitch McConnell (Ky.)

Rand Paul (Ky.)

David Vitter (La.)

Bill Cassidy (La.)

Roger Wicker (Miss.)

Roy Blunt (Mo.)

Steve Daines (Mont.)

Deb Fischer (Neb.)

Ben Sasse (Neb.)

Dean Heller (Nev.)

Kelly Ayotte (N.H.)

Richard Burr (N.C.)

Thom Tillis (N.C.)

John Hoeven (N.D.)

Rob Portman (Ohio)

Jim Inhofe (Okla.)

James Lankford (Okla.)

Pat Toomey (Pa.)

Lindsey Graham (S.C.)

Tim Scott (S.C.)

John Thune (S.D.)

Mike Rounds (S.D.)

John Cornyn (Texas)

Ted Cruz (Texas)

Orin Hatch (Utah)

Mike Lee (Utah)

Shelley Moore Capito (W.V.)

Ron Johnson (Wis.)

Mike Enzi (Wyo.)

John Barrasso (Wyo.)

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 10:11 AM

On the topic of the letter to Iran, I found this editorial which provides a good explanation of how the letter inaccurately explains our Constitution. Apparently the 47 Senators don't know what role the Senate plays. He blames this on stupidity.

"There are to date at least five scientific studies claiming that Republicans are lacking in the smart department and that watching FOX can make you stupid. Even Bruce Bartlett, Ronald Reagan's political advisor in response to a question about the current GOP said, "But yes they are really rather stupid and not very well read."

Not that science matters or has much of an impact on the current political conversation in any real sense and that's becoming evident with each election. As John Cleese puts it in this video, "If you're very very stupid how can you possibly realize that your very very stupid. You'd have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you are."

That said, as it doesn't look like morons will stop being elected to public office, it looks as though we'll continue to do and say stupid things out loud and publically. We'll have to rely on the rest of world pointing them out to us".


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 8:48 AM


Fact check, Sen McCain was a Navy fighter pilot who was held prisoner of war at the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" He was offered a release as his father was a 4 star Navy Admiral, he refused unless the other POW's were also released. He spent five years as a result. A true war hero regardless of political affiliations.

-- Posted by proof positive on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 8:46 AM


all any historian needs to do is project the number of Executive Orders that are being examined and/or overturned as unconstitutional (abuse of power?)or his economic policy(or lack thereof)you can clearly see the direction his legacy is headed as well as our economy

-- Posted by proof positive on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 8:36 AM

I read that article. Even if it was meant as a joke, coming from a person considering running for POTUS is very disturbing.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 6:45 AM

CoolBreeze, treason is a serious word, and the 47 Senators won't go to prison for it but I suspect they are already ruing the day that they wrote and signed that letter. It is what we call a CLiM (Career Limiting Move).

I'm sure that Hillary Clinton isn't worried about jail time, since she didn't handle classified information.

We have a much more toned down version of classified information where I work and that is Personal Identifier Information (PII) such as social security number, and birth date which if gotten into the wrong hands could be used for Personal Identity Theft. In my job, I have no need to handle this information and the few times that I have received it, I've deleted it from my e-mails and cautioned the consultant and his or her manager not to send this out.

It's obvious and really easy to handle. I hit delete and send a follow-up e-mail. It hasn't happened in something like three years. There is also software that I run once a year (mandatory) to see if I have PII information on my laptop. I don't. I'm sure that the State Department has even more stringent rules regarding classified information.

Just a thought CoolBreeze, but others on the Political Forum would like to keep things civil and stop the name calling and insults so if you can keep that in mind that would be appreciated.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 10:36 PM

Clinton didn't break the law, or for that matter a State Department rule which went into effect after she was no longer Secretary of State.

CoolBreeze, although this has been discussed some, like Trudy says, it pales to the treasonous letter signed by the 47 Republican Senators where they are interfering with negotiations, and condescending to give lessons on the Constitution when they clearly don't know what the Constitutions says and means.

Once again they prove that the Republican Party is the stupid party.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 9:24 PM

Always Right I've done it too. Your math is wrong because it is not based on reality. When a 3 credit hour class is scheduled for just two days a week it is typically longer than 1 hour per class. It looks like you haven't attended college, so you don't know how much time and effort that takes up.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 9:16 PM

This is funny beyond words!!!


-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 8:27 PM

Now onto the 47 traitors.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 8:11 PM

You really do need to do so research on the subject. The regulations in place at the time made her actions legal. They changed after she left the State Dept. The law still protects her PRIVATE e-mails unless a judicial court rules otherwise. I've already stated my position on the subject. There was a loophole and she used it. Lord knows you folks on the right love your loopholes.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 8:10 PM

Now onto a living wage. Here is a link to support some of what follows.


Starting in the 1980's when supply side economics took hold in the country, the theory was that by changing the tax structure and tax rates wealth would float to the top allowing them to create more jobs and pay better wages, as opposed to the government moving money from the top to the bottom. They ignored the 800 pound gorilla in the room though. The gorilla's name is human greed. Since then real wages have been basically flat. The purchasing power of the minimum wage in 1980 was greater than it is today. One only has to look at wage distribution to see how this hasn't worked. 20% of all workers earn only 5% of all wages. Since 1980, CEO compensation has risen from approximately 20-30 times the average workers wage to 300 times or more. One only needs to look to the meltdown of 2008 to see the true nature of human greed run amok. The 401k's of millions wiped out while the executives collected bonus's. The sad situation at GM, where the decision had to be made between saving not only the company, but it's many suppliers and sacrificing the holdings of it's shareholders or liquidating the company and wiping out not only the shareholders, but the suppliers as well. Now the greed factor has spread into politics and the very wealthy are now buying control of our government which is changing from a government by the people and for the people to government by big business for big business and everyone else be darned.

I have no problem with people making money, even a lot of money, but I do have a problem with their ethics or lack of them in the process of making that money.

I have no use for government ownership of businesses. The only place I want to see the government involved in any marketplace is health insurance via the public option or single payer. Private insurance would still exist but would have to really compete for dollars.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 7:39 PM

AR, full time is 12-16 credits per semester. The are not only classroom hours but lab time and homework. Homework is the killer. It averages up to 3 times the hours in the classroom. I've done it. Then add in hours to support yourself and pay for classes and books, unless you choose to got into debt for a large portion of your life. The cost of college tuition has risen exponentially in relation to income.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 7:36 PM

Sam I'm confused by your math and numbers. Let me explain. Full time college student is 12 credits per semester. One class is typically 3 semester hours. This one class is typically around an hour long per day. This same one class is typically scheduled for two days a week.

1 hr x 2 days = 2 hrs per week x # of weeks in a semester = 3 credits. So multiply that by 4 to get to 12 credits. It amounts to around 8 classroom hrs per week to be a full time college student. A vast number of people work full time and are full time students. I have put three kids thru 4 years of college. These are facts

8 hrs a week could be squeezed into the high school schedule. Replace the electives with college courses. You could even eliminate the government classes. It's just the liberal point of view being drummed into their heads. The numbers above could be cut in half and then add an extra high school semester and you get the same result.

Sam 12 credits isn't 12 hrs a day.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 6:49 PM

Always Right, you are wrong when you say "Coulnd't the same thing potentially be accomplished by replacing high school electives with college level courses? You do realize a full time college student doesn't go from 8-5 Monday thru Friday. Its about 12 hours a week."

For a 12 credit class load, you spend 12 hours in class AND 2 to 3 hours of study for each hour in class to get decent grades.

So that adds up to 12 + 24 = 36 hours or 12 + 36 = 48 hours. So figure between 36 hours and 48 hours.

You made it seem that it is less than a full time job to go to school, and that is incorrect. On top of that, even with the free education, many would need to work at least part time.

Some schools do allow the students to get college credit sometimes in High School but quite often by being excused from High School on some days to attend college at a junior college. One of my nieces did that and graduated last year from high school and started college in the Fall as a junior. She worked part time when she was doing this at a job which allowed her to have study time.

The Republicans seem to be against the "free" two years of college but they would like to give their political donors, the wealthy some more tax breaks, thank you very much.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 4:44 PM

AR, Charaties? Please! How about giving a living wage to the people who carry the burden of making all those billions for the Waltons

Why should someone or some company GIVE a living wage? What happened to earning a living wage?

How about offering them medical benefits so the tax payer doesn't have to pick up that tab?

They are offered medical benefits, just at a higher rate than what Obama Care costs them. Are you onboard with the greatness of Obama Care? The low, or no, cost alternative to real health insurance.

Is the topic making two years of free college mandatory? Or two years of free college voluntary? Coulnd't the same thing potentially be accomplished by replacing high school electives with college level courses? You do realize a full time college student doesn't go from 8-5 Monday thru Friday. Its about 12 hours a week.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 3:48 PM

Trudy, related to your point about the wealthy and big companies being the major recipient of government welfare, I read an article in Huffington called "Thomas Piketty Calls Out Republican 'Hypocrisy' On Income Inequality".

The author said that Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz and others are starting to pretend now that they want to fix the big inequality gap on income and education affecting the middle class and the poor.

According to Piketty, "There's a lot of hypocrisy in this conservative rhetoric about the skill gap and education gap," Piketty said. "If they are really serious about the skill gap and the education gap, then they cannot at the same time cut tax on the rich."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 2:50 PM

Trudy are you recommending the Walmart yacht staff be reduced? lay some of them off? Keep more money in the hands of the Walton family?

Why is it so despised by the left when a company is successful? The left want to mention the tax breaks and subsidies given to companies like Walmart, but they don't want to discuss the tax revenues produced by Walmart. Or the contribution to the economy. Or the contributions to the work force. Or the contributions to charities. What kind of tax breaks do you suppose the ol bag of bones Pelosi is taking advantage of? Or any other successful Democrat?

As for the worst President in history, gonna be tough to pass up Carter.

If big oil is buying up all the lobbyist's denying global warmer, who is buying up all the one preaching global warming? Another narrow minded left view thinking only one point of view is bought and paid for.

I'm sure LMS will have a few links to post concerning this post

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 2:22 PM

Hello Trudy. I'm working from home today so every once in a while I take a break and see if there is anything that I just must refute.

It looks like the Republicans are split on whether the traitorous letter to Iran was a good idea. None of the 47 Republican Senators are admitting that they did wrong although some of their aides are complaining that Obama just can't take a joke about his negotiations. WHAT???? I suspect that these 47 Senators will have a tough battle getting re-elected, and the few that want to run for President in 2016 have probably sealed their fate.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 11:20 AM

Proof positive, when you said "Most aknowledged historians are already citing instances why Obama will go down in history as the worst President so far" my first inclination was to see if you could back up that statement.

But then I realized that there was something inherently very wrong with that statement. A real historian does not write about current events as history because time, sometimes decades, needs to pass between historical events before they can be written as history. All of the data is not in and the objectivity that time passing provides is still not there.

You are mistaking historians with pundits like Bill O'Reilly and Political Science organizations that do their rankings but are not acting as historians. The article below is from a ranking from a Political Science organizations but it does refute the claim that Obama is seen as the worst president.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 9:37 AM


Most aknowledged historians are already citing instances why Obama will go down in history as the worst President so far

-- Posted by proof positive on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 7:49 AM

Brenda, you're welcome. AR, thanks, your age gives me a starting point to try and understand your views. Trudy, I'm 64 years young some days and 64 years old some days :). Logan Law would seem to have no teeth which makes it useless. Clinton's e-mailgate just shows she doesn't have the political chops to be in the race. While Bill was more of a populist and did a fair job, both are far to cozy with Wall Street and big money. Incase you haven't guessed, politically I fall somewhere between Warren and Sanders.

AR, you are too young to remember the days before 1965 when there were no food banks, no shelters, no "welfare" or food stamps and what it was like for single mothers trying to raise their children with no family available. Women were expected to do whatever it took to look after their children. You can interpret "whatever it took" how ever you choose to. I know what it meant in my family and it wasn't pretty.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Mar 11, 2015, at 7:28 AM
Response by Brenda:

It isn't just in foreign policy that the Republicans in Congress are showing a lack of respect for the Office of the President.

Mitch McConnell is urging people to ignore some domestic laws.

I believe that this behavior is going to backfire against them.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 9:15 PM

Apparently the Republican Senators broke the law of the Logan Act which tells you not to undermine a President and his negotiations.

Unfortunately it has been broken before and nobody got in real trouble for it.

1. Nixon told the North Vietnamese that if they didn't negotiate with President Johnson before the 1968 election that they would have a better deal after he was elected. Now, how many people died as a result of that delay in negotiations?

2. Kerry and Pelosi went against Ronald Reagan's negotiations in South America. How disappointing! I could work up a lot more umbrage if Kerry and Pelosi had just behaved themselves.

Nah, I'm going to have umbrage anyway. All of them need to be charged with a crime but it won't happen but I hope they don't get elected again.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 9:07 PM

On the Republican letter to Iran, Andy Borowitz had some comments.

March 10, 2015

Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans and Obama

By Andy Borowitz

TEHRAN (The Borowitz Report)--Stating that "their continuing hostilities are a threat to world peace," Iran has offered to mediate talks between congressional Republicans and President Obama.

Iran's Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, made the offer one day after Iran received what he called a "worrisome letter" from Republican leaders, which suggested to him that "the relationship between Republicans and Obama has deteriorated dangerously."

"Tensions between these two historic enemies have been high in recent years, but we believe they are now at a boiling point," Khamenei said. "As a result, Iran feels it must offer itself as a peacemaker."

He said that his nation was the "logical choice" to jumpstart negotiations between Obama and the Republicans because "it has become clear that both sides currently talk more to Iran than to each other."

He invited Obama and the Republicans to meet in Tehran to hash out their differences and called on world powers to force the two bitter foes to the bargaining table, adding, "It is time to stop the madness."

Hours after Iran made its offer, President Obama said that he was willing to meet with his congressional adversaries under the auspices of Tehran, but questioned whether "any deal reached with Republicans is worth the paper it's written on."

For their part, the Republicans said they would only agree to talks if there were no preconditions, such as recognizing President Obama's existence.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 7:18 PM

I agree that if her name was Elizabeth Warren or John Kerry, or any Republican it wouldn't be a big deal. Unfortunately, this may end up being the molehill that roars for awhile until it fades away well before the 2016 election.

She could even had brought out the information to take the heat now rather than later.

On the Republican letter, at least one newspaper is calling them traitors. I think that maybe they might have been drinking when they wrote that letter.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 7:11 PM

What does everyone think of the Hillary Clinton e-mail issue? This is my opinion so far.

1. She should have used two smart phones, one for her personal use and another for her state department work. The work needed to be kept separate from the personal use. -- I have two identical iphones, one paid for by my work which I only use for work. The other phone is my personal phone. I have no expectation of privacy on my work phone.

2. She made a dumb mistake, and she doesn't seem dumb to me. I think that as the Secretary of State she knew that she had to have some correspondence that Congress shouldn't be riffling through, on a perennial witch hunt, and by putting it on her own server she had some control over that.

3. She probably won't ever say that it was other than a mistake.

4. She deleted her personal e-mails. I hope that she had an auditing company review the e-mails and do the deletions but I bet not.

5. The witch-hunters are no doubt tickled pink over the excitement of another witch hunt over her e-mail.

6. She was transparent in that everyone knew that she wasn't using Government e-mail, and like she said almost all of the government related e-mail is already stored because most were written to government employees.

7. She broke no rules and previous Secretaries of State didn't solely use government e-mail while in office. The rule changed after she left office, and John Kerry is using the government e-mail.

She's out in front for everyone to take shots at her. I'm curious to see how she handles the attacks and what it does to her base of support. People can make mistakes and she has made less of a mistake than the 2016 potential Republican presidential contenders so it may not matter.

Or maybe she will just draw fire, and then someone like John Kerry or Elizabeth Warren can step in unscathed to be the real candidate.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 5:51 PM

OP 46

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 4:51 PM

Thank you for the civil discussions and disagreeing sides without name calling and direct negative comments directed at one another. I appreciate it when a grown up conversation comes together without bullying. I disagree with some and agree with some but hate the deliverance on many. Civility is what I choose for our website.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 4:33 PM

I have a general question. Feel free to answer or decline. How old is everyone here on this blog? I know Mike's age and lamont's age. I am 64.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 3:09 PM

More on the "bankrupt" state of California!

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - California's revenues swelled by about $1 billion more than expected last month, a sign of continued financial recovery likely to prompt jockeying for additional funding by social service agencies hard hit by recession-era budget cuts.

The unanticipated boost came from personal income taxes, sales taxes and the alcoholic beverage excise tax, all of which came in above expectations, state controller Betty Yee said in a report released Tuesday.

The revenues come amid tense negotiations over funding for the ten-campus University of California system, which has demanded that the state double an increase in funding that had been promised or it would impose tuition hikes on undergraduate students starting next fall.

The progressive wing of the state's majority Democratic legislature has also demanded additional funding for the state's tattered social safety net, which endured years of cutbacks as a result of the recession of 2008.

Democratic Governor Jerry Brown, whose office could not immediately be reached for comment on Tuesday, has held lawmakers to a moderate fiscal course, urging the state to build a rainy-day fund rather than over-spend.

According to Yee's report, California took in $6.6 billion in February, 18.3 percent more than anticipated. Of that, personal income taxes accounted for $2.6 billion, and retail sales and use taxes made up $3.5 billion. The alcoholic beverage excise tax brought in $55.3 million.

Altogether, the state took in $68.1 billion during the first eight months of the fiscal year, 1.4 percent higher than anticipated.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 3:00 PM

Sam how do you attach a link?

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 2:56 PM

Here is a link to the actual condescending, off the wall, letter sent by the Republicans, to Iran to try to undermine the President of the United States.


According to the below article from the New Yorker, this is the summarized view of what the letter is intended to say. "Dear Iran, Please don't agree to halt your nuclear-weapons program, because we don't like Barack Obama and, anyway, he'll be gone soon."

What effrontery! Once again the Republicans have demonstrated that they still want to be the "Stupid Party". The signers of this were all Republicans. Some that want to be President of the United States. A few signers stand out: Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 10:32 AM

Now on the Iranian front. Will the right wing ever cease to embarrass it's self with all this blustering?

The next time Republicans in the Senate try to explain treaties and the U.S. Constitution to Iranian officials, they may want to pick someone other than a foreign minister with a masters and PhD in international relations from the University of Denver, plus two degrees from San Francisco State University. Javad Zarif, who is also Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, responded to a letter from Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and 46 other GOP senators with an explainer of his own.

Not only are the senators shaky on their own Constitution's separation of powers, Zarif wrote, according to Iran's Tasnim News Agency, but "the authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfill the obligations they undertake with other states, and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations."

That's important, Zarif added, because "the conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by U.S. domestic law." He continued:

Change of administration does not in any way relieve the next administration from international obligations undertaken by its predecessor in a possible agreement about Iran's peaceful nuclear program.... I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with 'the stroke of a pen,' as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law. [Zarif]

Iran's foreign minister ultimately dismissed the GOP letter as having "no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy." But it also gives some propaganda ammunition to Zarif and Iran, notes Akbar Shahid Ahmed at The Huffington Post. Zarif used "the GOP misstep to seize an advantage that the Obama administration has said it does not want to give Iran: the chance to say the nuclear negotiations could fail because of the U.S."


-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 9:19 AM

Back on the topic of 2016 possible presidential candidates, the New Yorker had an answer to what makes Ben Carson able to gather interest in him as a presidential candidate. They make the argument that he is not the 2016 Herman Cain, but instead the standard bearer for the paranoid conservative.

"It's tempting to see Ben Carson--neurosurgeon, notable black success, conservative pundit, and coquettish potential Presidential candidate--as this election's Herman Cain: the black conservative whose mere presence inoculates other Republicans from charges of racism as they attack Obama. The ability to provide that kind of racial cover may be part of the reason for Carson's prominence in the party, but it's not its overriding rationale. Instead, Carson is heir to the tradition of people like Manning Johnson and George Schuyler, the black conservative who defended Joseph McCarthy even after McCarthy's fellow Senate Republicans rejected his conspiratorial canards. To the broad public, Carson's crackpottery--his argument that the sexual behavior of prisoners proves that homosexuality is a choice, his contention that Obamacare is the biggest travesty to befall the nation since slavery, his theory that Obama may declare martial law and cancel the 2016 elections--disqualifies him from being taken seriously.

But, for the small segment of the population that he is concerned with, those statements are assurances that they are not monochromatically white. Carson is a black representative and standard-bearer, not for conservatives but for paranoid Americans."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 9:16 AM

OP. Great response. I completely agree. Isn't this what the forum should be about? Open discussions on topics. No one is going to change anyone's political views on here.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 8:54 AM

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in broadcast remarks on Tuesday there was a "huge, worldwide effort" to ensure he loses next week's closely contested election.

Army Radio, which aired what it said were comments he made on Monday to activists of his right-wing Likud party, interpreted them as referring to foreign funding for advocacy groups campaigning for a change of government in Israel.

Political parties in Israel are banned from accepting money directly from overseas donors during an election campaign. But such funding is allowed under Israeli law for non-profit organizations espousing political viewpoints, and U.S. consultants have advised Israeli candidates for years.

"It is a very tight race. Nothing is guaranteed because there is a huge, worldwide effort to topple the Likud government," said Netanyahu, who received rousing applause in the U.S. Congress last week during a speech against a potential nuclear deal with Iran sought by the administration of President Barack Obama.

The visit came at the invitation of the Republican leadership of Congress, angering the White House and Democratic legislators. Critics accused Netanyahu of intervening in U.S. politics, and the Republicans of trying to boost his re-election prospects.

Likud and the center-left Zionist Union are running neck-and-neck in opinion polls ahead of the March 17 ballot, with Netanyahu widely seen by political commentators as having a better chance of forming a governing coalition after the vote.

As election day approaches, "Netanyahu is feeling the pressure ... he is shooting in all directions", Zionist Union leader Isaac Herzog told Israel Radio.

These statements by Bibi show that he realizes that many people around the world are tired of his sabre rattling and then expecting others to shed their blood to support his views

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 8:34 AM

AR, if you're expecting me to defend Obama, or the "official unemployment rate", prepare to be disappointed. The labor participation rate is at historic lows. Many have given up looking for real jobs, jobs that pay enough to survive on. Some are disabled who previously were employed but were laid off during the recession and opted for SSDI, many are like me who found that Social Security paid more than wages being offered, some have joined the "grey economy" which is working under the table cash paying day jobs.

Unemployment figures are always skewed by the party in power for their own purposes. There is infact labor shortages starting to show up in certain sectors which is driving up wages, but that pressure is not being exhibited across all sectors, therefore the lack of upward pressure on wages.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 8:28 AM

Geordey you are correct about welfare. I don't like people being on welfare. Do you? You are wrong about the wage comment. I'm fine with people making money. I assumed OP was referring to a minimum wage hike. Hence my request to explain how a hike in minimum wage solves anything. OP I agree with your explanation about wages going up partially. Take a look at North Dakota. Lack of potential workers, wages go up, costs go up.

the point is if unemployment is actually 5.5%, wages should be going up across the board. And if wages are going up, welfare should be going down. Neither is happening. Why? Because the unemployment rate, which Obama and the left want to tout, is a manipulated number with no real meaning.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Mar 10, 2015, at 5:25 AM

Always right doesn't like it when people are on welfare but would like to keep their wages at levels that they need welfare. Maybe he should supply supporting arguments for the case that he has?

-- Posted by Geordey on Mon, Mar 9, 2015, at 10:16 PM

AR, I went back and checked my post. Nowhere did I say anything about increasing the minimum wage. Real wage growth occurs when employers have to compete for workers as opposed to the prevailing attitude of you'll accept what I offer and like it which is what happens when you place an ad for 1 position and 20 apply. Now when you place an ad and only one person shows up and will not work for what you offer, you have 2 choices, offer more money or work your existing workers overtime which will cost you even more, but allow you feel that you won because you didn't pay what the prospective employee wanted. Wage growth happens when your employees find out that someone else is offering better wages for the same job than you do. As the labor pool tightens up there is the real possibility that those who have left the labor pool will return thus eliminating the upward pressure on wages temporarily. Read some of the financial pages on why Walmart raised it's minimum starting wage. It might enlighten you even more.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Mar 9, 2015, at 9:57 PM

Well Always Right, I normally don't like to respond to your comments however, I did give you some information for you to read. I don't think that you read it. Enough said.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 9, 2015, at 9:52 PM

OP isn't wage growth also tied to rate of employment? Isn't going from no income to minimum wage actually wage growth. And the 3% is all people in between jobs? 100% of the unemployed want to work? Or is 97% a more realistic number.

Please enlighten me on how raising the minimum wage, without raising costs, is possible. You do understand that business survival is based on profit margin? Cost goes up, sell goes up. And who knows how much it costs a business if minimum wage goes up $2.75 per hour?

Op I do appreciate your response. Sam your response almost left me speechless. Such a well thought out response. Pure genius. Like siskel and ebert would say, two thumbs up buddy.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Mar 9, 2015, at 9:08 PM

Wrong, Cool Breeze on the affiliation to Mountain Home.

I also discuss politics with people outside of the blog and my opinions are the same as expressed on the blog. Like T.O.P. I engage in no name calling. People that I talk with don't call me names either, even when they disagree with me.

Now on to a more important topic Scott Walker is starting to go after Jeb Bush saying "To beat Clinton, Walker said, "you need a fresh new face with big bold ideas from outside of Washington."

I'm still looking to hear about those "big bold ideas".


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 9, 2015, at 8:22 PM

You lose CB, I regularly voice my opinion of the GOP while out in public, but I do adhere to socially accepted norms of decent behavior, ie, no name calling.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Mar 9, 2015, at 6:58 PM

Thanks for making that point T.O.P. Here is a supporting article.


I'm not sure how it would be possible for "Always Right" to have missed this factual evidence.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 9, 2015, at 6:04 PM

The rate of assistance is more closely tied to wage growth which is tied to a tighter labor pool. As far as your assertion that 3% don't want to work indicates you really don't have any understanding of unemployment even in a tight labor market. There will always be a percentage of the labor market unemployed due to job changes. As you know Idaho has a very low unemployment rate, but it also has a very high percentage of minimum wage jobs which forces people onto the assistance roles. When you see entry level jobs starting at $10.00 hr. you will see a decline in assistance levels.

Does this help?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Mar 9, 2015, at 5:16 PM

Nice job Sam. You edited "Butt" out of the post.

Now riddle me this. With the unemployment rate being the lowest it has been since 2008,and we know the number is accurate and factual, shouldn't food stamps and welfare be at their respective lowest levels also? I've heard it stated, although I have no source to back it up, that at 3% unemployment everyone that wants to work, is working. 3% don't want to work.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Mar 9, 2015, at 3:36 PM

Mike, when I refuted your claim that ALL California schools banned displaying the U.S. Flag, I researched multiple sources not just Huffington.

Name and cite a reference to any wrongdoing that Obama has done. It's clear that a major concern that you have is that immigrants from Mexico will become Democratic voters. I'm sure that they don't get in "with a 6-pack of beer or a backpack of explosives" but how prejudicial of you to say so.

And Mike in regards to your saying "Potrero Hill was only pre-school for the real deal in Southeast Asia. I have been where most of you have not, or ever WILL be. I'm neither a rookie nor an armchair "Rambo". We don't know where you've been and what you've done but we have a pretty good idea. Likewise, you don't know where we have been and what we've done. You seem to feel that you have an idea. I suspect that I am right on this and your are wrong, but we may never know.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 10:34 PM

"Somebody needs to "veto" OBAMA, CB....toss his treasonous _____ OUT and put Holder in Leavenworth where HE belongs.

Boener should be locked in a cell with Pelosi. It would serve them BOTH right!" -- Posted by Mike Bradbury on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 9:21 PM

We have a system of laws, that should be followed and I don't believe that is how they work.

In my reply, I took the trouble of editing out the word which you used that may not be allowed on MHN.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 10:18 PM

I hope that he has us on Sioux ignore, but I'm sure he will be back with some more vitriol, interspersed with name calling.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 8:20 PM

Mike, if you comment on a political forum then other people may refute what you say when you don't stick to the facts, as in your "the sky is falling" excitement over California and the American flag, which turned out to be bogus.

If you take up arms against America, you are making a mighty big mistake and that would be treason. You can't have a war with just Obama. He is the elected head of the American government. When you mess with the the bull you get the horns.

Just because you don't like how the last two presidential elections went, well too bad. That's how a Democracy works.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 8:16 PM

As many of you may know, this weekend marks the 50th anniversary of Bloody Sunday. Some of us here are old enough to remember that day and will not forget it until we draw our last breath, while the may be others that are old enough to remember but chose to forget that day. The reason I bring this up is that this May 4th marks another anniversary, an anniversary that many would prefer to forget. On May 4th, 1970, 28 members of the Ohio State Guard opened fire on unarmed student protesters at Kent State University. 4 were killed and 9 were injured. It was referred to as the Kent State Massacre. I bring this up because some here have inferred that there is a planed armed uprising of some sort coming.

Remember this, the Guard opened fire on UNARMED students! What do you think any Guard member or regular military would do when confronted by an armed group pointing arms at them? If you guessed they would open fire and ask questions later, you are most likely right. They absolutely wouldn't stop to question your political views or motives. Like the police, they are trained to shoot first, ask questions later in this kind of situation.

I am including a link that appears to be the most accurate narrative of the events surrounding the shootings. This should be required reading for ALL high school students!

For those of you who are too young to remember that day, please read it!


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 6:15 PM

Before Mike

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 3:06 PM

Before starts another rant I want to educate him on a few points. The decision to ban all flags wasn't the decision of the university, just the student body, not schoolwide, just the common area in the student union which is supported by student union fees, so no action was taken by the university except to veto the decision by the student union. I hope this spares all of us another half-baked rant full of half truths and misconceptions.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 3:05 PM

"Calling the U.S. House of Representatives' November 14 vote for the Keystone XL pipeline an "act of war," the Rosebud Sioux Tribe (Sicangu Lakota Oyate) has vowed to block the project from crossing its lands.

"The House has now signed our death warrants and the death warrants of our children and grandchildren. The Rosebud Sioux Tribe will not allow this pipeline through our lands," said Rosebud Sioux President Cyril Scott in a statement. "We are outraged at the lack of intergovernmental cooperation. We are a sovereign nation, and we are not being treated as such. We will close our reservation borders to Keystone XL. Authorizing Keystone XL is an act of war against our people."



-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 10:35 AM

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 10:37 AM

It looks like the Republicans with their majority in the Senate and in the House of Representatives are having a hard time passing legislation because the Tea Party faction doesn't want to compromise. And I thought they were going to show us how well they could "govern".

They would really love to pass a law saying that what Obama does, since they are not acting, is unconstitutional.

"When there are differences of opinion as to what is constitutional and what is not constitutional, a court makes that determination," said Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, delivering a gentle refresher course on the Constitution to those on his own side of the aisle.

It's been that way, he pointed out, since a case the Supreme Court decided in 1803."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 10:26 AM

T.O.P. good article, and well said Trudy.

Mike, to think that you are going to go to war with America is laughable, as well as treason. Waving the American flag around, and stretching the truth whenever possible about your perceived threats to America may get you riled up and one or two others but most people prefer to work from the truth.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 10:10 AM

So much for the right respecting the Constitution.

Representative Dave Brat, a small-college economics professor from Virginia, said he, like others, supported Boehner until it became apparent the speaker would back down on the immigration demands. "I am highly skeptical that we couldn't have found a way. We own both houses - and we lost," Brat said.


The last time I checked congress was "owned" by the people, not by a segment of the Republican party. This statement only adds proof that the far right has no interest in governing, just ruling!!!!!!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 10:07 AM

The nice thing about the Constitution is that I am allowed to live anywhere I choose to as long as I can afford it. The other nice thing is that I am allowed freedom of speech, which means I am allowed to speak publicly and freely, even if it means aggravating and embarrassing people like you and CB who continually post false, or misleading information.

Now a few points to ponder. Do you have a wage job with overtime pay after 40 hours? You can thank progressives and the labor movement for that. Same for vacation pay, sick leave, PTO, workplace safety regulations and defined benefit pensions.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 9:59 AM

Some new info on the flag flap.

A decision by the student body government of the University of California at Irvine to ban the display of all flags -- including the United States flag -- has been vetoed.

According to the Associated Press, the university's executive cabinet has voted to overturn the ban, which prompted outrage nationwide and led one state legislator to consider an amendment to the California constitution to ensure the American flag could be flown on the campuses of state schools.

On one hand, the now-vetoed decision to ban the American flag had the feel of student government run amok, as budding iconoclasts tried to make a statement about the moral complexities they're learning in History 101. Flags are "flown in instances of colonialism and imperialism" and they "serve as symbols of patriotism or weapons for nationalism," the statement explaining the original ban noted.

Yet the move, short-lived though it was, speaks to more than an only-in-California spasm of 20-something intellectual angst. More broadly, it points to a generational shift in the notion of what patriotism is.

Surveys by the Pew research Center suggest that Millennials are more wary than any other American generation of defining themselves by larger institutions. Half are political independents. Nearly 3 in 10 do not associate with any religion. And only 26 percent have married by the age of 32 -- 10 percentage points less than Generation Xers at the same point in their lives and 22 points less than Baby Boomers.

That same trend holds true with Millennials' views of the United States itself.

By a host of indicators, Millennials are less "patriotic" than any other generation of Americans -- at least by the traditional gauges of patriotism. Various surveys have found that:

Just 32 percent of Millennials say US is "the greatest country in the world," compared with 48 percent of Gen Xers, 50 percent of Baby Boomers, and 64 percent of the Silent Generation, according to Pew. Likewise, Millennials are most likely to say America is not the greatest country in the world.

Pew also found that 70 percent of Millennials agree with the statement "I am very patriotic," compared with 86 percent of Gen Xers, 91 percent of Boomers, and 90 percent of Silents.

American National Election Study found that 45 percent of Millennials say the American identity is extremely important, compared with 60 percent for Generation Xers, 70 percent for Baby Boomers, and 78 percent for Silents.

Only 67 percent of Millennials said flying the US flag made them feel very or extremely good, compared with 94 percent of Silents, according to ANES.

Research suggests that these opinions do not change with age but rather stay generally consistent as generations grow older. In other words, with every passing year, America's definition of what it means to be patriotic will likely evolve.

Indeed, Millennials are patriotic, just by different measures, suggests the New York Times's "Upshot" blog.

"The A.N.E.S. data show millennials to be extremely supportive of the ideals and values of democracy, if not the symbols of America. In particular, equality stands out," writes Lynn Vavreck.

Surveys show the same dynamics at work in other parts of American society. While there are many reasons that Millennials are abandoning organized religion, one major factor is that organized religion is seen as being on the wrong side of "marriage equality" -- the push for same-sex marriage.

The trend among Millennials toward religious nonaffiliation is such that even CPAC, the annual event that caters to political conservatives, has begun courting atheists, the Monitor's Linda Feldmann writes.

Similarly, ANES finds that Millennials have a keener sense of economic and social injustice than other American generations. Some 37 percent of Silents say unequal chances in life are a big problem; 57 percent of Millennials do.

Writes Ms. Vavreck: "Millennials may be less devoted to the symbols of America, but they are no less devoted to democratic ideals."


Originally on http://www.csmonitor.com/

Note the survey results towards the end of the article. Times change, attitudes change. Mike, you can continue to rant and rave to your hearts content, but the fact is, this countries population opinions are changing, will continue to change, and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it thanks to the Constitution. Your political world view is dieing off and will eventually be just a footnote in American History books. Just where it belongs!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 8:05 AM

I should have said that there were three things in play. There were two when I first started making my comment but then I realized that there was a third item.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 11:12 PM

I think that there are two things in play here.

1. Extreme Right Wing Web sites are distorting the facts to cause people to feel umbrage about the flag of the United States not being respected.

2. There is a desire among some people to really want what the extreme Right Wing Web sites are saying happened, to be true.

3. There isn't an appreciation that this country was founded on cultural diversity, which as we evolved has become even more diverse. Remember, "No Irish Need Apply" signs. Now most people like the Irish. Indians were savages, we thought, in the 19th Century, but now Cool Breeze is saying that he has Sioux blood coursing through his veins. We didn't want to help the Jews enter the United States to escape from the Holocaust in Germany. Now some people are singing their praises of our wonderful ally Israel.

Time marches on, and opinions evolve. Our grand children and great grandchildren may be embarrassed about how we resisted the integration into the American society of our diverse cultures.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 11:05 PM

It looks like someone was crying that the sky was falling in California but maybe not really.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 9:29 PM

Mike I'll respond below after what you claim. I put >>>> before my comments.

"PS Sam...........Cinco de Mayo is a MEXICAN holiday--------not one of ours. If our flag "offends" somebody, they're free to LEAVE.

Suppose it'd be ok for a bunch of Americans to parade through Mexico City waving OUR flags on the 4th of July?.........and tell THEM to put THEIR flags away for that day?

Suppose that would be understood and accepted down there?

Yes Michael Savage...........no doubt about it..........it truly IS!!" -- -- Posted by Mike Bradbury on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 7:34 PM

>>>> Mike, Cinco de Mayo is actually celebrated more in the United States than in Mexico because it is important to America's history. See the link below for a better understanding of the holiday.


"Brian Orban missed one in his most recent blog....................

."Beam me up Scotty." there is no intelligent life down here

(on the left side, anyway)." -- Posted by Mike Bradbury on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 7:11 PM

>>>> Please check the corrections that I've made to your misinformation before discussing MY intelligence.

"Sam.........regardless of news source......it is STILL WRONG to ban our flag because it might "offend" SOME FOREIGNER!

The bottom line is that OUR flag is being banned----in OUR country

Can't you SEE that??????? Doesn't that bother you??

No, I guess it WOULDN'T. -- excerpt from longer comment Posted by Mike Bradbury on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 7:03 PM

>>>> You should read the information provided to you so that you don't keep making the same mistake.

1. In the ONE high school the American flag was not banned. T-shirts intended to inflame people on Cinco de Mayo were banned. -- If you would prefer that high school kids fight at school, well that's your hope and dream, not mine.

2. In the ONE college, in the ONE small area of that college where all flags were banned there is no mention of foreigners. This country is culturally diverse and a discussion of understanding the different cultures is good.

Let me remind you that this is what you claimed. That is a gross exaggeration of the actual facts. Why not admit that you were either exaggerating or didn't get the real facts?

"Hey----seen the latest in California? (where else)....they now want to ban American flags from all schools and replace them with foreign flags to as to "display and promote a multi-cultural atmosphere." -- an excerpt from a post by Mike Bradbury on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 4:29 PM

>>>> And by the way, you are not the only American that served in combat, and it wasn't just conservatives that served, so how about facing reality?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 8:51 PM

Re: Mike's post about the flag. This what happens when you only get your "facts" from right wing sources and accept them as gospel.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 6:05 PM

" Hey----seen the latest in California? (where else)....they now want to ban American flags from all schools and replace them with foreign flags to as to "display and promote a multi-cultural atmosphere." -- an excerpt from a post by Mike Bradbury on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 4:29 PM

This is blatantly inaccurate. There seem to be two stories related to this from California.

1. A High School has banned U.S. Flag T-SHIRTS not the U.S. Flag on Cinco de Mayo day because of the past history of students wearing U.S. Flag T-SHIRTS to provoke a fight.

2. At a small multicultural area of the University of California - Irvine ALL FLAGS not just the AMERICAN FLAG are banned. This is because that is the one area where people from multiple cultures can try to understand each other and waving a flag in their face whether it be the flag of Ecuador or the flag of the United States isn't conducive for this.

The United States from the very beginning has been a multicultural diverse population so it's time for people to just get used to it and stop trying to turn molehills into mountains.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM

Mike, I don't have to be there because I have citations to support what I said. Here is one of many. As you can see, if you read the article, the story changed a little with each telling.


The problem that Reagan had was that he was caught lying about it. He told the story to a group involved with awarding Medal of Honors and said that the pilot was awarded a Medal of Honor posthumously. The problem is nobody had won a Medal of Honor posthumously under those circumstances.

The question that people sometimes wonder is:

1. Did Reagan flat out lie?

2. Was Reagan so old and/or affected by Alzheimer's that he didn't know it was a lie.

The not really real event happened in the fictional movie "A wing and a prayer".

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 5:00 PM

Trudy, on Bill O'Reilly, I think that the reason why he doesn't seem to be in trouble for HIS lies is because people don't really think of Fox News as a legitimate news agency so therefore lying isn't so bad. The bar is set to low for Fox to be News.

It is just theater, pretending to be the news. Kind of like Saturday Night Live.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 3:19 PM

CoolBreeze, I am glad to hear that "conservatives are the ones to admit the blunders, errors, ..." so lets discuss another blunder and error.

Reagan liked to tell the story of a World War II incident showing great courage. A B-17 bomber was losing altitude and everybody but one soldier and the commander had parachuted off. The commander told the soldier "Never mind, son, we'll ride it down together."

That didn't happen although there had been a Hollywood movie about World War II that was pretty similar to this. The White House Press Secretary's response when confronted with the whopper said "If you tell the same story five times, it's true."

That's pretty much what I'm seeing a lot of conservatives doing. Telling the same story over and over again to try to make it magically become true or to fool the gullible into believing it is true because they hear it so often.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 3:13 PM

As we talk about G.W. and his problems in office and Jeb Bush who, if elected, could be just as bad, I'd like to point out that the United States has a history of incompetence or possible incompetence with our presidents.

There were at least two presidents that may have been incapacitated while in Office: Wilson and Reagan. Reagan is the more recent example.

Howard Baker was just about to take over from Don Regan to be Reagan's third Chief of Staff and he asked James Cannon to document what had gone wrong in the White House. Cannon interviewed aides working in the White House. According to Cannon:

"They told stories about how inattentive and inept the president was. He was lazy; he wasn't interested in the job. They said he wouldn't read the papers they gave him--even short position papers and documents. They said he wouldn't come over to work--all he wanted to do was to watch movies and television at the residence."

Cannon was astounded to learn, too, that the aides "felt free to sign his initials on documents, without noting that they were acting for him." When Cannon asked a group of key aides who among them had authority to sign for Reagan, there was a long, uncomfortable silence, after which one answered, "Well--everybody, and nobody."

Later, after his Presidency, Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. His son, Ron, believed that Reagan suffered from the early affects of Alzheimer's while he was in office.

We will never know. Baker decided to observe Reagan himself and decided he was competent. No medical doctor was part of this decision.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 9:14 AM

After 2 terms of Obama, OP, who'd know the difference?

-- Posted by Mike Bradbury on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 5:48 AM

That's your only defence of your hero???

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 8:30 AM

Posted by Mike Bradbury on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 7:50 AM

I wont copy and paste the whole thing, but really Mike, you extol the business acumen of a man that's gone bankrupt 4 times???

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 5:23 AM

As you and Mike like to say about Pres. Obama, he is responsible for the actions and statements of those who serve under him, then GWB is responsible for the statements and actions of those who served under him. If he repeated their lies, then he owns those lies.

Speaking of lies, and an imperial presidency, I present the following link, rather than copy and paste 2 pages, as per Brenda's request.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Mar 7, 2015, at 5:07 AM

Ah, Cool Breeze Investors Business Daily? Did you do a search for "web sites that deny climate change" to find this one, or was it "climate change just can't be true" or "what does the oil companies want us to think about climate change"? Or did you just go to your Extreme right wing web sites to see what you could dig up?

Did you notice that your editorial doesn't have an author?

Here is more accurate information on the subject.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 10:58 PM

Sam, some basic info:


and more detail:


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 6:33 PM

Hey Dave, I read the story behind your link but it was about another Iraq story, when the U.S. guy in charge of Irag under President Bush made a couple of mistakes. -- Could you have posted the wrong link?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 4:48 PM


Iraqs first head of the provisional government was a Shia Muslim named Ayad Allawi. He was selected by the

Iraqi Governing Council, whose members were appointed by the Coalition Provisional Authority. He was not elected through a popular vote by the Iraqi people.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 4:26 PM

Please refrain from blowing up the thread of comments with multiple listing. A link would be sufficient and then readers can choose to read multiples or something in its entirety if overly lengthy. Thank you and have a great weekend.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 4:20 PM

Shia is the majority in Iraq. Shia militias proved their brutality before the first election.

Over and over since the 50's we have interfered in the middle east. You know it! Now it's time to pay the piper!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 4:05 PM

Saddam was a brutal dictator motivated by power not religion as evidenced by the rights women in Iraq had, regardless of region and wouldn't tolerate any threat to his power. That's why Al Qaeda was never active in Iraq. If you thought the 1st election was fair and without our interference, then you are a fool. We went in and fouled things up and now the world pays for our actions!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 3:59 PM

I think that G.W. had groupthink going for two reasons.

1. His advisers were working from the same ideology.

2. His advisers were afraid to contradict him.

I'm not sure but Obama may have the same in that his advisers have the same ideology, although Clinton did disagree with him somewhat on Foreign Policy. The difference between Obama and G.W. is that Obama looks at a lot of different angles before acting.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 3:03 PM

This was an enjoyable web posting from politifact. It is a bunch of statements about and from Cruz with a truth-o-meter rating on each. There looks to be a lot of fibbing out there.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 2:50 PM

Now to be serious. All men have to unite and honor Billy C. That's a mans man. To get away with all the side jobs he did and not have momma H catch on! And to use his manly instinct and lie until he couldn't lie anymore. WOW Gotta admire him. The only upside to Hillary getting elected is we would get more entertainment out of Wild Bill C.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 2:01 PM

The ship's taking on water and listing mightily to the left. Left put down the remote and start baling.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 1:52 PM

Did anyone happen to see the Obamaville Song on Youtube? Pretty funny and even more accurate. Did anyone happen to notice the correlation between the Republicans winning Congress and the unemployment rate going down? Its interesting how when a liberal has to work, they realize what it costs to support the lazy, and they abandon the USS Democrat.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 1:48 PM

On the topic of possible 2016 presidential candidates, it looks like Huckabee, unlike good Christians, has been "bearing false witness" against Obama. I don't think most Americans want a president that needs to lie so much. I'd say Huckabee deserves a thumbs down and won't make it through the primaries.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 1:29 PM

The jfk library has alot of stuff on the Cuban Missile Crisis, notes, audio of calls between JFK and Eisenhower, etc.


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 1:26 PM

You are right Geordey. The opinions were diverse and the debate meaningful during the Cuban Missile Crisis. It crossed party lines. See the link and an excerpt below.

I don't see G.W. or Jeb Bush as being willing to hear and evaluate diverse opinion.


"The kinds of people involved in the Ex-Comm meetings were diverse and even conflicting in their opinions. Indeed, they ran the gamut of political viewpoints. From the most conservative, probably General Taylor as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, or Dean Acheson, to the most liberal, Adlai Stevenson, they encompassed a broad spectrum of political opinion. The conservative extreme, represented by Acheson and Taylor, favored an out and out military showdown. Acheson himself saw the entire affair as a test of wills, and believed the only respectable course of action for the United States was a decisive air strike. General Taylor, along with the other Joint Chiefs, strongly supported Acheson's position. At the opposite end of the hawk-dove continuum was Stevenson. He proposed withdrawal of U.S. missiles from Turkey and Italy in return for the Soviets doing the same in Cuba. The reaction to this from the other Ex-Comm members was swift and overwhelmingly negative. Robert Kennedy wrote that,

Stevenson has since been criticized for the position he took at this meeting. I think it should be emphasized that he was presenting a point of view from a different perspective than the others, one which was therefore important for the President to consider. Although I disagreed strongly with his recommendations, I thought he was courageous to make them, and I might add they made as much sense as some others considered during that period of time."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 1:16 PM

Bush 1 didn't overthrow Saddam because he knew what the end result would be from his days at the CIA. His son, not so bright.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 12:52 PM

Trudy and Sam you would want to avoid a groupthink situation. I believe that Kennedy did that by who he had invited to the discussions.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 12:47 PM

Oops! This is the link I meant to post.


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 12:00 PM


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 11:50 AM

Trudy, I agree that Bush's adviser's did some deceiving and manipulating, but I don't think it is known for sure if Bush knew that they weren't true, or if he was just gullible and didn't ask enough questions. The article below was written when people were beginning to think the WMD was a lie.


On a side note, when Kennedy was first president he went ahead with the Bay of Pigs invasion having been told that Eisenhower had signed off on it and believing his military advisers. That was a huge mistake and he later knew it.

He talked with Eisenhower about this asking how he could have avoided the mistake. Eisenhower told him that he needed to have multiple advisers in the room at the same time, and ask them a lot of questions so that they could hear other answers and respond to them.

He did this during the Cuban Missile Crisis and that was considered to be one of his greater successes.

So, maybe Bush needed to get better advice from a different President than just his Dad.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 11:05 AM

This information is from Time magazine in an article titled "Sarah Palin and Donald Trump Are Not Running for President"

"There is no evidence that either is any more serious about an actual campaign this time--no fundraising, no staff hires, no grassroots organizing in early states. But both have the same incentives to make the nation, and the political press corps, think differently. And the political press corps, struggling at the moment to interest a nation exhausted with politics in another 20-month campaign, has an incentive to write about Palin and Trump, who truth be told are simply more fun than actual presidential candidates.

A large part of this delight springs from both non-candidates disdain for the political scribblers they court. Trump is well known for personally attacking reporters who doubt his sincerity with school-yard epithets like "loser." And Palin has increasingly reordered her political worldview around the concept of a "lamestream" media that seeks to undermine the nation, and the decent, God-fearing people who occupy it."

Trump and Palin tried this in 2011 when they finally gave up the pretense of being candidates and they are trying it now for the sake of publicity. They just like being in the news.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 10:40 AM

CB, do you really need a lesson in recent world history? There was no instability or a power vacuum in Iraq prior to our invasion and occupation in 2003. Was Saddam ruthless and a barbarian? Without a doubt, but he maintained order and kept Iran guessing what he might do next. After we turned power over to the Shia knowing full well what their actions would be as evidenced by the actions of the Shia militias. Obama was elected partly because of his pledge to get us out of Iraq, and when the Iraq government demanded that U.S. troops be subject to Iraqi laws and courts, that ended all discussion on us staying in Iraq. Which party voted for the invasion based on Bush's lies is neither here nor there. They were all sold a bill of goods. The country of Iraq is a figment of the imaginations of France and Britain who understood the only way to maintain the new countries they had created in order to has access to their oil was to install brutal regimes capable of maintaining order at all cost. The Shia, Sunni and Kurds have battled and slaughtered each other for an extremely long time, and quite frankly that will most likely never end. So there you have it in a nutshell. Had there been no invasion and occupation, the odds of an organization like ISIS would be greatly diminished!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 9:21 AM

Links to some interesting info:



-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 7:47 AM

Right about what, MB?

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 8:43 PM

You don't have to have permission to comment on any person's comment in the political forum. This is according to the rules. I can't speak to Sioux rules.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 6:07 PM

Trudy, in 2008, the three main presidential candidates had different Foreign Policy experience but it's hard to say who had the most.

- Obama was on the Senate Foreign Relations committee and had traveled to countries in the Mid East and Africa before he became a Senator.

- Hillary Clinton had experience through her husband's experience and had met most of the leaders of the world.

-McCain's experience in other countries was as an Army officer.

All three had made official trips to the countries in their various roles. Obama and McCain as Senators and Clinton as First Lady.

Obama put Clinton in as Secretary of State, combining their experiences.

To be fair, all three of the presidential candidates in 2008 had played a role in Foreign Policy to some extent. The current Republican candidates, do not seem to be interested in Foreign Policy. They are talking about immigration, Lesbian and Gay rights, abortion, the 2nd Amendment, and how they don't want to prioritize climate control. Do you see what I mean?


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 5:03 PM

Trudy, good quotes from Thomas Jefferson. The Tea Party trots him out every once in a while for a quote about overthrowing the government but his religion is something that they stay away from.

Ethan Allen - non-Christian Deist

James Monroe - officially an Episcopalian but more a non-Christian Deist than a Christian Deist

George Washington - Christian

John Adams - Christian

Thomas Jefferson - Christian but very reason oriented - he believed what he could see and hear.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 4:45 PM

On another topic the New Yorker had an article, not a satire this time, that pointed out that the presidential candidates for 2016 don't have much of a frame of reference on foreign policy.

For example Scott Walker.

"If I can take on a hundred thousand protesters, I can do the same across the world,"

Even Hilary Clinton, who actually has a lot of foreign policy experience makes an occasional error.

"We came, we saw, he died." Upon the death of Libya's Muammar Qaddafi, while she was Secretary of State.

What was particularly interesting and worrisome to me is that Henry Kissinger is meeting with some of the possible Republican presidential candidates offering assistance from himself and others to get them up to speed on Foreign Policy. If they haven't been interested in Foreign Policy before, it's too late for a cram course. We may see the new Republican candidates making some of the same foreign policy errors, and more maybe, that Mitt Romney made although that is hard to imagine anyone being worse.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 4:27 PM

Mike, you keep saying Bush is long gone, and that may be true, but the "legacy" he left behind in Iraq lives on. As a result of "his" invasion, 100's of thousands Iraqi citizens have died, and we have seen the rise of ISIS due to sectarian behavior on the part of the Shiites who were the oppressed party under Hussein and have taken their revenge on the Sunnis. Now what we have is a disaster in that region of the world that may not have occurred, and a threat worldwide of ISIS. Leaving troops in Iraq would not have stopped what is happening today because of the political situation we created there.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 10:58 AM

Another interesting satire about Boehner and his Congressional invitation(s) to speak.

Boehner Invites Man Who Hated Obama in High School to Address Congress

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)--House Speaker John Boehner has scheduled a joint session of Congress in April to hear an address by Kevin Laggett, a man who is on record as having hated President Obama in high school.

Boehner, who personally extended the invitation to Laggett, said that he did not consult with the President before contacting his high-school nemesis.

"This has nothing to do with the President," Boehner said. "Many of us in Congress are very interested in what Mr. Laggett has to say."

According to a source who attended high school with both men, Laggett's antipathy for the President began when Obama was chosen over him for the post of sports editor on the school newspaper. "Kevin has totally despised him ever since," the source said.

Reached in Honolulu, where he works as an assistant manager at Applebee's, Laggett said that his speech to Congress would steer clear of personal issues between him and Obama.

"I'm going to leave that stuff at the door," he said. "I'm just going to talk about the job he's doing as President, which he's screwing up pretty bad, in my opinion."

At the White House, the President responded testily when asked if he intended to watch Laggett's speech. "Kevin is a _______," he said.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 10:29 AM

Yes, Trudy, even in Carson's apology he stuck his foot in his mouth. He clearly does not have any knowledge about what makes a person Gay.

I imagine he will be flopping around some more, while the MANY 2016 Republican candidates annihilate each other in the Republican primaries. The next year and a half should be a fun-filled HILARIOUS year.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 10:22 AM

Mike, you asked the question "When, in the history of this country has there been so much fraud, deception, missing documents, sealed records and perversional acceptance?"

If you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question. We are now into the 7th year of the Obama Administration. Nobody has been charged with a crime, despite tons of taxpayer money on Republican witch hunts, particularly aimed at Hillary Clinton who they fear in the 2016 election.

I notice that you have a lot of claims but cite no valid source for your information, so these claims just need to go into the "disregard" file.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 10:19 AM

You don't think the armed forces of the United States has followers of Islam in the ranks?!

How many Jordanian pilots will it take to atone for acts committed by men, with which he just happened to share the same religion? The pilot who ISIS incinerated was about 13 the one and only day some nuts flew into the twin towers. There wer no Jordanians on board any of the flights that day and I suspect the then 13 year old Jordanian pilot may not have had a hand in that action.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 8:39 AM

Mike, you asked the question "When, in the history of this country has there been so much fraud, deception, missing documents, sealed records and perversional acceptance?"

The first answer is just because the Republicans are trying to find something that they can pin on the current administration doesn't mean that there was actual wrong doing.

To find when there actually was "fraud, deception" just look at 2001 to 2008 under Bush. Remember the whoppers we were told to get us into war, and remember the lies about not torturing prisoners?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 8:03 AM

Anyone who has followed this forum for a few years may find it hard to believe that the opinion in Muslim thought would be in harmony with the opinion of this forum's vociferous opponents of Islam.

Here's a link to an interesting interview.


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 7:44 AM

I regularly scan different news outlets for reports on high profile news stories, and today what I found is profoundly disturbing. The DOJ Ferguson report was released, which I am in the process of reading, but it will take awhile since it's 70 pages long, and here is what is truly disturbing, only one website detailed the most disturbing part of the report. The FPD regularly engaged in behavior that would only be seen where marshal law was in place and the constitution suspended. They did this regularly and blatantly.

You can read your choice of either link.



On the second link, you really need to pay attention to pages 1-4.

For those who hate links, here is the content from the first link.

The scathing Department of Justice report that says the Ferguson Police Department (FPD) routinely violated the rights of African-Americans also includes evidence that freedom of speech was regularly denied to anyone who dared to talk back to an officer.

The six-month investigation concluded that officers in the St. Louis suburb denied people their First Amendment rights, making arrests for offences often referred to as "contempt of cop'' cases -- in which people are taken into custody for talking back to officers, for recording public police activities or for lawfully protesting perceived injustices. All are activities protected by the Constitution.

"FPD's suppression of speech reflects a police culture that relies on the exercise of police power -- however unlawful -- to stifle unwelcome criticism," said the report, which was released Wednesday.

Though the Supreme Court has held that the First Amendment protects a significant amount of verbal criticism and challenge directed at police officers, the DOJ report concluded that the Ferguson police frequently made enforcement decisions based on what people said or how they said it. The FPD also found that officers reflexively resorted to arrest immediately upon noncompliance with their orders, whether lawful or not, and were quick to overreact to challenges and verbal slights.

Based on accounts drawn from the officers' own descriptions, the report concluded that "FPD officers believe criticism and insolence are grounds for arrest, and that supervisors have condoned such unconstitutional policing.'' Further, the report read, such institutional bias "reflects intolerance for even lawful opposition to the exercise of police authority."

The DOJ report faulted the Ferguson department for failing to give its officers tools for de-escalating emotionally charged situations, even though such skills are essential to policing.

That skill is crucial, said Joe Giacalone, a retired New York City Police Department (NYPD) Detective Sergeant and adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

"As a police officer you don't want to get into physical confrontations with people," he said. "You want to avoid situations where there would be violence. You have to know how to talk down people and get people to comply by your approach."

Backtalk as dissent

Justice officials cited several incidents, including one in which a police officer arrested a business owner on charges of interfering in police business and misuse of 911 because she objected to an officer's detention of her employee for "walking unsafely in the street" as he returned to work from the bank.

In another example, an officer stopped a man for dancing in the middle of a residential street. The man was asked for his ID and police checked his name for warrants. Finding none, the officer told the man he was free to go. The man responded with profanities. Told to watch his language, he responded with more profanities. The officer arrested him for his "manner of walking in roadway."

"Even profane backtalk can be a form of dissent against perceived misconduct," the report said.

The misconduct that the DOJ details in its report didn't shock Chris King, managing editor at the St. Louis American, a weekly newspaper.

"The report very flatly describes the way police behave with black people," King said. "It's a surprise to no one who is black and lives in St. Louis County."

Protests there last summer over the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white FPD officer, in circumstances stemming from a verbal dispute in the street, showcased how the department ignores free speech rights, King said.

"We saw First Amendment violations on steroids in August, especially during protests," King said. "And you could tell by the way police responded that they were not unaccustomed to brushing people aside or to stopping them videotaping their conduct."

The police also arrested Ferguson residents when they attempted to record police activities, an act the Supreme Court has said is also protected by the First Amendment. The DOJ described several incidents in which Ferguson police insisted that people witnessing stops were not allowed to film them, eventually arresting those who would not comply.

In the wake of the large protests that rocked Ferguson after Brown was killed, several lawsuits were brought against the police department and the city on First Amendment issues. Despite a consent order in one case and a settlement in the other, the Justice Department found that the FPD continued to interfere with individuals' rights to protest and record police activities.

According to the report, on Feb. 9, 2015, the FPD threatened to arrest several people protesting the six-month anniversary of Brown's death. As they made the arrests, one man who recorded the incidents was arrested for interfering with police action. Similarly, a protestor in a wheelchair who was live-streaming the protest was also arrested. Others with cameras were threated with arrest for failure to obey, or for their manner of walking. The DOJ concluded that the "officers' escalation of this incident that was unnecessary and in response to derogatory comments written in chalk on the FPD parking lot and on a police vehicle."

Carlos Miller, the publisher and founder of the new website Photography is Not a Crime (PINAC), was not surprised by the report's allegations, and said such behaviors are not unique to the FPD.

"That part of the report [on first amendment violations] could be anyone from the NYPD to the LAPD to big and small city agencies," said Miller, who was arrested in 2007 for taking pictures of police during a journalism assignment in Miami. "It's a pattern of behavior we see across the country, but nothing ever happens."

While he applauded the DOJ for its recommendations, and for using the high-profile nature of the Ferguson report to highlight the First Amendment violations, he said he believes that without a system of accountability in place, the pattern will continue.

Wednesday afternoon Attorney General Eric Holder promised things would change. "Dialogue, by itself, will not be sufficient to address these issues -- because concrete action is needed," he said.

"It is clear from our work throughout the country -- particularly the work of our Civil Rights Division -- that the prospect of police accountability and criminal justice reform is an achievable goal; one that we can reach with law enforcement and community members at the table as full partners."

But in Ferguson, the DOJ's report concluded that when officers engage in unconstitutional policing by quelling speech, they are only exacerbating the distrust of law enforcement among those needed community partners.

In a news conference Wednesday evening, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles responded to the report by saying that the city of Ferguson had disciplined three FPD employees who the DOJ found had exchanged emails with "explicit racial bias." After finding out about the emails Tuesday, the city fired one employee and placed another two on administrative leave "pending an investigation," Knowles said.

"Let me be clear," he said. "This type of behavior will not be tolerated in the Ferguson Police Department or in any department in the city of Ferguson. Knowles called their actions "in no way representative" of their colleagues.

Knowles also said that the city of Ferguson had made strides to engage the community and reduce the onerous criminal and civil penalties the municipal court imposed on citizens, most of them black, for minor traffic violations. He did not take questions from reporters.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 7:38 AM

It has been said "Never enter a battle of wits unarmed." Not directed to anyone in particular. However really. Western Joirnalism.com?

-- Posted by Geordey on Wed, Mar 4, 2015, at 11:39 PM

CoolBreeze, westernjournalism.com is owned by liftable media. it is a basically a blog web site with no assurance that the blog information is true.

On liftable media, I found this information on liftable media and westernjournalism.com.

"I looked at some of their articles on Liftable, and what they said is pretty much what I saw. Some were a little sappy for my taste, but to each his own.

I also looked up some articles western journalism.com. I'll have to say, they're not very liftable. To use the Paul of Tarsus quote above, they don't seem to meet the criteria. They are not for the most part, true, noble, right, pure, lovely, or admirable.

Most of them are attacks on President Obama, but that's not the real problem. The real problem is that they are posing as a news organization. They are not.

What they are is a collection of bloggers. Most of them are right wing. I don't have a problem with that either, even if I don't agree and even if I believe that their opinions are wrong or at the best are not at all nuanced.

You or even I could write for them. Does that mean we have some specialized knowledge? Nope. It simply means that we agree to write a post every day, and from judging the majority of the posts, have something bad to say about the President. Also we would be required to really work the social media sites to make sure that as many as possible know the westernjournalism.com brand.

In short this site is a collection of bloggers who will share anything that remotely seems to diminish the Office of the President. They do this by hitting all the hot buttons: immigration, foreigners, Islam, race, the one world government conspiricists. The key words to set their readers off are: liberals, Muslim, dictator, family values, guns, persecution of Christians, Israel. They are manipulating people. And ot be honest, it is working very well.

It's working because these key words encourage an us vs. them visceral response from many people. The also discourage critical thinking.

It is beyond me how people are so easily and willingly manipulated. When it is so easily detected, I tend to push back. But it's much easier to let others do your thinking for you and that's a real shame.

I hope I never do that."

I'll put this quote on "disregard".

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 4, 2015, at 10:45 PM

CoolBreeze, to be more accurate, Jagland is still on the committee but not the chairman, with the replacement of Kullmann a signal of a move to the Center Right in Norway. You may notice that I didn't say E-X-T-R-E-M-E Right. Moderation whether left or right is still good.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 4, 2015, at 7:53 PM

The Senate failed to override the presidents veto of the Keystone XL pipeline today. Now they will be forced to follow the rules and allow the State Department to evaluate whether the pipeline benefits the United States.

Depending on the results of that evaluation, Obama may still approve it. The concerns over it are that:

1. The reported jobs generation from it has been exaggerated.

2. The harmful emissions to the environment as a result of it.

Now the Republicans say that they will try again by attaching it to another bill that will be hard to veto. Maybe it will be a bill that you must have more than a 100 IQ to serve in Congress, 75 if a Republican. The Republicans need a leg up.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 4, 2015, at 7:23 PM

According to Time magazine:

"Speeches may be what the man does best; Netanyahu cut his teeth in politics as Israel's videogenic spokesman in America, where he attended high school and college, and Hebrew-speakers say he is every bit as effective in that language. But having assigned himself the mission of derailing the negotiations he had basically set in place, then warned against, then said must continue, Netanyahu had to thread a needle, and could not help ending up in a bit of a snarl."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 4, 2015, at 6:10 PM

Here is Andy Borowitz's take on Boehner's provocative tactic, to have another country's leader, who is having a disagreement with our government speak in from of Congress.

Boehner Calls Netanyahu Closest Ally in Fight Against Obama

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)--On the eve of the Israeli Prime Minister's address to Congress, House Speaker John Boehner used a joint press conference to praise Benjamin Netanyahu, clling him "our closest and most important ally in the fight against President Obama."

Even as the President threatens us with provocative acts, Prime Minister Netanyahu's support for us has been unwavering," Boehner said. "He understands what many of us have long known: that peace with this enemy can only be achieved through total victory."

Netanyahu had equally high praise for Boehner, saying that "no one has been more steadfast and dedicated in the struggle against your President."

"This foe is not to be trusted or appeased," Netanyahu said. "Your resolute refusal to find any common ground with him whatsoever has earned my undying respect."

As the press conference drew to a conclusion, Boehner appeared to fight back tears as he called Netanyahu "a brother in arms" in the ongoing hostilities with Obama.

"A wise man once said that my enemy's enemy is my friend," Boehner said, choking up. "You, sir, are my best friend in the world."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 4, 2015, at 12:50 PM

You are right Trudy. Being a surgeon is not a qualification to be President of the United States nor an expert on what makes a person Gay.

My brother was married to a woman, got divorced and is now married to a man. Did he decided to become Gay in between those two marriages?

No, he was Gay from the moment of his birth. He tried to conform to societies norms but finally decided to come out between those two marriages.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 4, 2015, at 12:23 PM

Netanyahu Brings Theater But Few Answers


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Mar 4, 2015, at 11:39 AM

Trudy, if the post does not affect you then it was not meant for you.

Have a nice day.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Mar 4, 2015, at 10:21 AM

How about something a bit clo9ser to home. Our IDF+G is being black mailed by OUR legislation.

This was originally posted on the banter box and immediately removed. I posted it there because I knew it would get lost in the drivel here. Oh well, have to give it a shot any way.



It was a very busy week last week with hearings, legislator meetings and interviews for the open Deputy Director position to mention a few.

I meet with 8 additional different legislators last week and had hallway conversations with House Speaker Bedke and Majority Caucus Leader Mike Moyle. The good news is the revenue bill concepts and PriceLock appear to be gaining favor. Still have a number of legislators that are not saying they support, but like the PriceLock concept. I have been able to address some opposition to increasing the fees that is related to the Rock Creek property purchase proposal such that two legislators may consider support.

Saturday evening Mark Doerr got a copy of a draft bill to me related to our revenue proposals that I have been reviewing this morning. I do not know the writer(s) of this draft bill but it does address most areas I had been told were being discussed by several legislators. This draft bill address 5 sections: auction tags, LAP tags, bonus points, fees and implements PriceLock as follows:

1. The Commission shall establish rules for bonus or preference points. Increase the fee for points to $5 (is now $4.50).

2. Modifies the LAP program to establish, private land tags, family tags and stewardship tags. Private land tags may be sold but are only usable on private land in the given hunt area. Family tags can not be sold and can be used in the entire hunt area. Stewardship tags are for habitat enhancement, access and/or depredation agreements and are in addition to the private or family tags. Tags are allocated by acreage, 1 tag for 640 to 4999 acres; 2 tags for 5000 to 9999 acres and 3 tags for over 10,000 acres. These tags will come from the "statewide nonresident tags quota". It appears to do away with the CH draw for LAP tags simply adding tags sufficient to meet the LAP demand.

3. The Commission shall issue "Governor's wildlife partnership tags". Tags will be taken from "nonresident controlled hunt programs" - up to 3 deer, 3 elk, 3 pronghorn antelope, 1 mountain goat and 1 moose. Everything else appears similar to how the bighorn sheep tags are handled now.

4. Implements the fee schedule proposed in our current bill

5. Implements Discounted License Fees - "the commission shall order a discount in fees...". This is the PriceLock concept except it does not have a review provision or sunset date included. It does not address the folks who might be involved in military, educational or religious absence from the state getting the discount when they return if they qualified when they left that we were told needed addressed.

I do not know if this draft will be printed or if further modifications are forth coming. Regardless I wanted you to know that there is more than just talk and I expect all of these aspects to part of a bill at some point this session. Sharon and I will give this further review and I will discuss with the Chair on Tuesday some ideas on how the Commission can approach these 5 items. I would request though we try and keep this close among the Commission for now until we can verify the status of this draft. We can discuss Thursday morning in more detail.

I will call in to the Thursday conference call from Denver.


Reps, Bracket, Bedkey, Sidaway, Bear, and of course Moyle are behind this. One of them told a commissioner "I don't care what the sportsmen think, I want this"

There is also talk of adding wolf depredation costs to this, which means that us sportsmen get to pay that bill as well!! We need to let our legislation know that we will not support them and will make sure they do not have a job in the next election if this is pushed through!!

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Mar 4, 2015, at 8:42 AM

CoolBreeze in regards to 15 U.S. Code § 7901 - Findings; purposes, that is a law not part of the Constitution and in either case the Supreme Court can rule on and has ruled on both the second amendment and laws.

You have a mouse back-talking an elephant.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 3, 2015, at 9:18 PM


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Mar 3, 2015, at 5:18 PM

This is for Mike who loves to claim that California is bankrupt.

Silicon Valley is a major part of California's economy. The state houses the headquarters of 53 Fortune 500 companies, including the tech heavyweights Apple, Hewlett-Packard, Google, Intel, Cisco, and Oracle, to name only a few. Of course, California's massive economy stretches far beyond San Francisco and Palo Alto: The state's gross domestic product is comparable with those of entire countries, including India, Canada, and Australia.

California had the fifth-highest wages in the country, with a Q2 2014 average weekly wage of $1,072. The state's housing prices went up 8.12% between Q3 2013 and Q3 2014, the third-biggest jump in the country. The state government's huge 2013 surplus of $32 billion was the largest of any state.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/state-eco...

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 3, 2015, at 5:00 PM

Another article on the PROPOSED ban on certain bullets for the AR-15.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration is considering banning a type of ammunition used in one of the most popular types of rifles because it says the bullets can pierce a police officer's protective vest when fired from a handgun.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is proposing the ban of some types of 5.56 mm rounds -- or .223-caliber -- used in widely available and popular AR-15-style rifles because the bullets can also be used in some new types of handguns. Other types of 5.56 mm rounds would still be legal to buy, own and fire from guns.

The rule change would affect only "M855 green tip" or "SS109" rounds with certain types of metal cores. People who already own the ammunition would be allowed to continue to legally own it, but manufacturers would not be allowed to produce, sell, import or distribute it.

In a letter to ATF Director B. Todd Jones last month, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., objected to the rule change, saying it would "interfere with Second Amendment rights by disrupting the market for ammunition that law-abiding Americans use for sporting and other legitimate purposes."

Armor-piercing handgun ammunition has been banned since 1986 as a way to protect police officers under the federal Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act. The rifle bullets now facing a ban were long considered exempt because they were used for sporting purposes, such as target shooting.

An ATF spokeswoman, Ginger Colbrun, said Monday the agency is considering eliminating the exemption now because of the production of so-called AR pistols that can fire the same cartridge. The agency is accepting public comment about the proposed change until March 16 at the email address APAComments@atf.gov, by fax or postal mail. Colbrun said it's unclear when a final decision will be made.

At issue is the material in the core of the bullets. As long as the bullet's core does not contain particular types of metal, including steel, iron or brass, the bullet would still be legally available.

Colbrun said 32 manufacturers make roughly 168 types of ammunition that can be used in the rifles and would remain legal.

The semi-automatic AR-15 rifle, a commercially available gun that resembles the military's M-16 rifle, has become wildly popular among gun enthusiasts in recent years. It's also been the target of Democratic lawmakers who sought to ban the weapons after the 2012 shooting deaths of a dozen people at a movie theater in Colorado and 20 children and six adults at a school in Connecticut. Those efforts failed, but gun rights advocates, including the National Rifle Association, warned that the administration would continue a push to ban the popular guns.

In a statement last month about the proposed rule change, the NRA told supporters it was a "move clearly intended by the Obama administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s" and other rifles. The group urged its members to write to both the agency and members of Congress to object to the rule change.

ATF's proposed ammunition ban has been under consideration since 2011.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 3, 2015, at 7:38 AM

As I understand, the proposal put forward would remove marijuana from the list of schedule 1 drugs and then the federal government would then regulate it through the FDA and levy an excise tax only in states that have legalized it either completely or for medical purposes. This whole war on drugs has been a colossal failure and a waste of taxpayer money in terms of cost of enforcement, incarceration costs, and most importantly the human cost due to having a record. What I have always found amusing is that for someone like me, who is decidedly to the left of most, and Ron Paul could agree on anything.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Mar 3, 2015, at 6:59 AM

Trudy, Obama is not blocking states from legalizing marijuana although extreme right wing web sites do make that claim but can't back it up.

Some states allow it and some don't. The Federal government has treated this as a low priority issue.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 2, 2015, at 9:11 PM

I think there are several groups behind keeping marijuana illegal. Big pharma is one. Along with politicians on both sides who are wanting votes. Politicians on both sides that have been bought by lobbyist's I also think the first move to legalize marijuana is to target employment drug testing. That's going to go totally against my friends on the right views.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Mar 2, 2015, at 8:55 PM

Trudy most on the politicians on the right are hypocrites when it comes to pot? What about the president who tends to overrule the states when they choose to legalize it? I'm sure he admitted to burning the herb. By the way, I agree with your stance on marijuana

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Mar 2, 2015, at 7:09 PM

Trudy, who knows, but videos and recordings may just be how some things get cleaned up in this country.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 2, 2015, at 12:31 PM

I see a lot of praise for Bill Mahr the comedian and satirist, on his view of global warming and climate change. But none on his view of legalizing marijuana and releasing minor drug offenders from jail and prison. What does the left say about that? please no comments from the new person so far left that hey are coming up on the right.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Mar 2, 2015, at 10:00 AM

Trudy, yes that was very shocking. The six policemen with night sticks and tazors were not able to subdue the guy so they shot him at least five times. Very sad, and cowardly on the part of the police, IMO.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 2, 2015, at 9:26 AM

Interesting story on Jeb B. This originally came from Reuters.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Mar 2, 2015, at 6:49 AM

Yes, Sam Brownback does illustrate that some Republican economic talking points just don't work. If they had worked we would be hearing about him a lot but, yes, there does seem to be silence from the people that you would expect to be politically supporting him.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 1, 2015, at 9:19 PM

"If Scott Walker sees 100,000 teachers & firefighters as his enemies, maybe it's time we take a closer look at his friends." A tweet from Elizabeth Warren

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Mar 1, 2015, at 8:07 PM

Trudy, this Any Borowitz piece, is on topic of the discussion of legalizing marijuana. I think that it should be legalized for medical and responsible recreational use.

"Americans Favor Legalizing Pot and Criminalizing Congress

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)--By a huge majority, Americans support laws legalizing marijuana and criminalizing Congress, according to a poll released on Thursday.

While the poll reflects a relaxation of attitudes about recreational pot use, it also suggests that many Americans now view membership in Congress as a problem ravaging the nation.

Harland Dorrinson, an activist who has spent years mobilizing support for the criminalization of Congress, said that "this poll reinforces what many of us have been saying for a long time: Congress destroys lives."

"I've seen productive members of society get involved with Congress and completely lose the will to work," he said. "They just sit there, totally numb and out of touch with reality."

He noted that the once prevalent view that membership in Congress was "harmless" is now being discredited. "If you look at what happens to someone's brain after ten, twenty, or even thirty years in Congress, it's devastating," he said. "There is severe impairment."

Additionally, he warned that Congress is a "gateway elective office" that leads many to try running for President."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 1, 2015, at 2:33 PM

I'm posting two links.

1. This is a discussion on Bill Maher's show between Bill and a climate change denier. It is HIL-AR-I-OUS. It also mentions a vote in the Senate that Climate Change is not a hoax.


2. This is the background on the Senate vote. The Democrats are using the climate change denying by Republicans to their advantage in preparing for the 2016 elections. Then one of the Republican climate change deniers decided to try to make the Republican's look less stupid by telling them to vote yes that climate change was not a hoax. This appears to be a lot of political games, wasting time.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 1, 2015, at 2:25 PM

We are genuinely excited and happy for the Republican Party; their front runners for the 2016 Presidential campaign are;

# Sen. Rand Paul

# Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker

# Sen. Ted Cruz

# Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson

# Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush

The only candidate Democrats need to be concerned about would be Sara Palin.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Mar 1, 2015, at 8:44 AM

The following things seem to have been demonstrated very clearly from the latest blog comments.

1. Dave has demonstrated armor piercing bullets can be shot from pistols.

2. Mike has demonstrated that he can write a very long harangue of Obama, Clinton, and liberals and he STILL thinks that Obama wants to take his guns.

3. CoolBreeze has demonstrated that he doesn't know the words to the second amendment.

4. Mike has shown that he can read the words to the second amendment, but doesn't understand that the words have been further defined through Supreme Court decisions to mean that citizens should only have appropriate weapons.

5. CoolBreeze has shown that he incorrectly thinks that he speaks for all policemen.

6. Sara has demonstrated her astuteness in recognizing that despite all of the noise about the government taking people's guns that really hasn't happened.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Feb 28, 2015, at 11:43 AM

The fact remains that the manufactures classified these weapons as pistols and opened this whole can of worms! You want to grouse at someone, grouse at the ones who decided to classify these weapons as pistols!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 28, 2015, at 11:43 AM

When there is a discussion about * armor-piercing ammo * and someone joins the conversation to say;

* This isn't about armor-piercing ammo either. As I said earlier, we've dealt with these jackals before. This is an Obama-style "foot in the door" from a government that CANNOT be trusted *

Maybe that someone is trying to camouflage the topic of * armor-piercing ammo * with the fact they just don't like a certain President.

We're sure he's coming to get your guns; this time for sure; really; for sure.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Feb 28, 2015, at 9:11 AM

Some people sign off a website for the weekend to enjoy their family and friends and leave the hatefulness and childishness behind? Only to find them back again less than 12 hours later? We know we can trust these type of people, don't we. Let's welcome back those who can't stay away after telling us they are going away.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Feb 28, 2015, at 8:11 AM

"It would be one thing if you actually KNEW what you were talking about. The rounds in question are 5.56 NATO M855 ammo. These are NOT, repeat NOT shot from a pistol."

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 6:06 PM

Your words.

More links to pistols chambered in 5.56mm:







"A man is entitled to a declaration of legitimacy in the absence of positive evidence of illegitimacy."

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Feb 28, 2015, at 7:05 AM

Thanks Dave, apparently CB is completely out of touch with reality.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 28, 2015, at 5:04 AM

I have not heard that any part of the Constitution used the word "Thou" and I know that the second amendment doesn't say what CoolBreeze says it does.

"OP, I don't think I need to waste my time probing some tedious government PDF when all I really need is the 2nd Amendment. "Thou Shall Not Be Infringed" OP. Learn it, love it, or leave it."

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 6:02 PM

The second amendment actually is below. Notice the phrase "regulated militia."

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 9:28 PM


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 6:44 PM


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 6:35 PM

It's impossible to boil down 17 pages of legal documents to a few sentences. It covers from the Gun Control Act of 1968, subsequent amendments, court rulings, etc.

"In light of recent developments in the firearm and ammunition marketplace, ATF sought

input from industry, law enforcement organizations, and the general public on the application of

the unique "sporting purpose" exemption set forth in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C). In November

2012, ATF held four meetings with interested parties representing law enforcement, the firearms

and ammunition industries, and non-governmental organizations. In addition, after completion

of these meetings, ATF also solicited and accepted comments from the general public through

December 31, 2012. All of that input was considered in interpreting the meaning of the statutory

language, and developing the framework described below.

One of the main issues raised in the meetings that ATF held with industry and law

enforcement in November 2012 was whose intent should control the analysis as to whether a

type of ammunition is primarily intended for sporting purposes. Some representatives of the

industry argued that the sporting purpose analysis should be subjective and conclusive--focusing

solely on the intent of the ammunition manufacturer. If the manufacturer designed and intended

the armor piecing ammunition to be used primarily in rifles for hunting or target shooting, they

argued, then the fact that the ammunition could also be used in handguns was irrelevant to the

sporting purpose analysis. Their view was that the manner in which individual consumers,

whether they are law-abiding citizens or criminals, chose to use the armor piercing ammunition

could not alter the "primary" sporting purpose envisioned by the manufacturer.

From the perspective of law enforcement, however, the most relevant intent is that of a

criminal who seeks to use ammunition capable of penetrating body armor when fired from a

handgun. If ammunition containing the metal content enumerated in section 921(a)(17)(B)(i)

can be used in a handgun--the type of firearm most frequently used by criminals whom police

officers encounter on the streets--then, from the law enforcement perspective, the

manufacturer's intent that the ammunition be used for hunting or target shooting (in rifles or

handguns) becomes irrelevant. The mere availability of handguns capable of using the

ammunition made of the enumerated metals creates the potential for diversion to criminals who

could use it in easily concealed firearms to defeat the protective vests worn by police officers --

the exact officer safety concern targeted by LEOPA. Contrary to the industry's position, law enforcement representatives focused on the intent of one class of potential consumer group--

those criminals who pose the greatest threat to law enforcement.

In assessing the competing views of law enforcement and industry, ATF is bound by the

plain language of the statute and the statutory framework, and guided by the courts. To begin,

the text of section 921(a)(17)(B)(i) (as reinforced by the legislative history) strongly supports the

perspective of the law enforcement community in defining "armor piercing ammunition." As

noted, Congress considered, but did not adopt, subjective standards that would have defined

armor piercing ammunition based on the designed and intended use envisioned by the

manufacturer. Instead, Congress adopted a two prong definition, the first of which contains an

objective standard focused on whether ammunition comprised of enumerated metals may be used

in handguns. It would make little sense for Congress to reject an approach focusing on a

manufacturer's design and intent to qualify the ammunition as armor piercing, and for the

Attorney General to then exempt out ammunition based on such design and intent. In short, that

approach would render the restrictions on armor piercing essentially ineffective, applying only to

the small body of ammunition specifically created for the military -- a result Congress clearly did

not intend. Hence, when ATF considers "sporting purpose" exemption requests, the plain text,

overall statutory scheme, and clear Congressional intent of LEOPA preclude the application of a

subjective standard depending only on the intent of ammunition manufacturers. While the intent

of manufacturers may be a factor in the analysis of whether a particular type of armor-piercing

ammunition is "primarily intended" for sporting purposes, that intent cannot be dispositive.

Similarly, however, the view that the potential misuse or non-sporting use of ammunition

renders all types of ammunition ineligible for the sporting purpose exemption is also not consistent with the statute. If this view were correct, then the sporting purpose exemption would

be superfluous, a result Congress also clearly did not intend. On the contrary, the inclusion of

the exemption shows Congress anticipated that certain types of ammunition properly classified

as armor-piercing could be manufactured and distributed for sporting use without creating a

significant risk to law enforcement through diversion to criminals. Consequently, for purposes

of applying the exemption, the intent of one group of potential consumers (criminals) is no more

determinative than the intent of manufacturers. The relevant inquiry under section

921(a)(17)(B), therefore, must primarily be based on objective criteria, not the subjective

intentions of any particular group."

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 4:39 PM

31 is just a number. It doesn't mean they're in lock-step.


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 3:37 PM


Long read, but informative as heck. Try reading it CB, you might learn something.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 3:26 PM

I also realize you are bitter about your cancer from agent orange.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 2:32 PM

I outgrew feeling hurt by schoolyard name calling many decades ago. You are a bitter, frustrated old man who can't deal with the fact that your worldview is accepted by so few.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 2:24 PM

Mike, I see no reason to engage in all of this name calling unless that's all that you have. Filtering out the name calling this is my response to your one claim in quotes below.

On that claim, were you aware that when Ronald Reagan was president he had helicopters and armored personnel carriers? For that matter, every president beginning with George Washington had a military and the military had the best weapons available to them at the time.

I don't think that our government fears your arms. It is responding to a request from the police to not have armor piercing bullets on the street. That's just common sense.

"Hey....on this "bullet thing".....why does BIG BROTHER need helicopters and armored personnel carriers? If they were being used to SEAL the borders and keep the ILLEGALS (you don't like that word either do ya?----tough) OUT of here, I could see it.

But THAT'S not why all this special equipment, is it!

Fear any government that fears your guns, because an HONEST regime would never have the need.

Doesn't matter though, they're 15-20 years too late." -- Mike Bradbury

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 1:49 PM

What's really amazing is that it took me less than a minute to find out what he was referring to, and about 2 minutes to read the whole article (different from yours) and make sure I didn't miss anything.

I would probably be in the hospital right now recovering from a heart attack if I found out that CB was being 100% truthful. :)

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 12:42 PM

You are quite right on the ammo piercing bullets, T.O.P. Unfortunately the NRA has gotten it's paranoia machine all revved up, producing fear candy and CoolBreeze is eating it up.

"The proposal by the A.T.F. to reclassify the rifle ammunition started more than three years ago, before the Newtown shootings, and included meetings with members of the firearms industry, advocacy groups and law enforcement officials. After the 30-day comment period expires on March 13, the attorney general will have to make a final decision, officials said.

The rule-making, submitted on a Friday before a three-day weekend, appeared to catch many in Washington off guard.

But it has been a priority for law enforcement groups that have long pushed for restrictions on armor-piercing bullets."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 12:28 PM

Oh, you mean the armor piercing ammo. The stuff that goes right through bullet proof vest meant to protect law enforcement personnel. The bullet that manufactures have known for a long time was being considered for a ban, not the caliber, just the armor piercing tip, and they did nothing to get an alternative to market. The tip that most all of law enforcement wants banned. A tip that serves no useful purpose other than to eliminate the safety afforded by a bullet proof vest. Is that what you are referring to? You may have a right to the caliber, but you don't have a right to the armor piercing tip.

Why don't you tell the whole truth, not just the part of the story that suits your needs.

The right to keep and bear arms could be considered the right to keep and bear arms available in the 1800's.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM

I just want to know what rights you seem to believe are being taken away. Simple enough, or so it would seem.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 9:04 AM

Exactly what rights are you referring to CB?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 8:37 AM

Mike, your continuous use of the buzz words, communist, socialist, traitor and turncoat hold even less sway now than they did in the mid sixties. The days of Joe mccarthy are long dead, and the continued use of those buzz words is now considered no more than schoolyard bullying by those who can not intellectually defend their positions and stoop to name calling.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 7:56 AM

And this is for CB, unless of course Reuters is a left wing source.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A significant majority of Americans say combating climate change is a moral issue that obligates them -- and world leaders - to reduce carbon emissions, a Reuters/IPSOS poll has found.

The poll of 2,827 Americans was conducted in February to measure the impact of moral language, including interventions by Pope Francis, on the climate change debate. In recent months, the pope has warned about the moral consequences of failing to act on rising global temperatures, which are expected to disproportionately affect the lives of the world's poor.

The result of the poll suggests that appeals based on ethics could be key to shifting the debate over climate change in the United States, where those demanding action to reduce carbon emissions and those who resist it are often at loggerheads.

Two-thirds of respondents (66 percent) said that world leaders are morally obligated to take action to reduce CO2 emissions. And 72 percent said they were "personally morally obligated" to do what they can in their daily lives to reduce emissions.

"When climate change is viewed through a moral lens it has broader appeal," said Eric Sapp, executive director of the American Values Network, a grassroots organization that mobilizes faith-based communities on politics and policy issues.

"The climate debate can be very intellectual at times, all about economic systems and science we don't understand. This makes it about us, our neighbors and about doing the right thing."

Some observers believe the pope's message can resonate beyond his own church.

"The moral imperative is the way to reach out to conservatives," said Rev. Mitch Hescox, president of the Evangelic Environmental Network, a large evangelical organization that advocates for action on climate change.

Talking in terms of values is "the only way forward if we are to bring our fellow Republicans along," he added.

Some Republican politicians have begun to search for a new message on climate change, in an attempt to distance the party from those who oppose most efforts to limit greenhouse gases and have questioned the science explaining human-caused climate change.


Whether shifting moral beliefs can translate widely into a willingness to modify carbon-intensive lifestyles and assume the costs of weaning the U.S. economy off fossil fuels remains to be seen. U.S. sales of trucks and SUVs have been rising in recent months, for example, spurred by lower gasoline prices.

But moral questions are increasingly invoked in the climate debate -- and not just among anti-carbon activists.

In a Feb. 12 speech to oil industry leaders in London, Royal Dutch Shell CEO Ben van Beurden noted that "the issue is how to balance one moral obligation, energy access for all, against the other: fighting climate change."

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has also wrapped some of its anti-pollution initiatives in the language of "climate justice," likening the battle against climate change to the mid-20th century fight for civil rights.

Pope Francis also vowed to make fighting climate change a centerpiece of his papacy, using his authority as head of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics to push political leaders toward a deal at a United Nations-sponsored conference in Paris this December that is aimed at cutting carbon emissions.

The pope has confronted critics of climate change science that finds human activities responsible for increases in global temperatures, saying in January that it is mostly "man who has slapped nature in the face."

Sixty-four percent of those polled agreed with the pope that human activities are largely responsible for the rising CO2 levels that scientists say drive climate change.

The pope also criticized the negotiators at a global climate conference in Peru last December for "a lack of courage" and has promised to issue an encyclical -- a letter setting out papal doctrine -- on climate issues that he hopes will add momentum to getting a deal in Paris.

In turn, he has been attacked by those who deny the scientific findings on global warming for aligning himself with environmentalists.

But only one in 10 saw him as a voice of authority on the issue, on a par with Democrats and Republicans in Congress and less than the percentage citing President Barack Obama (18 percent). The poll respondents also said that United Nations scientists and a popular U.S. television host, Bill Nye "The Science Guy", carry more authority on climate change than U.S. politicians.

The Reuters poll was conducted from Feb. 13 to 25 and the results were weighted to current U.S. population data by gender, age, education and ethnicity. It has a credibility interval - which measures the survey's precision - of plus or minus 2.1 percentage points.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 6:05 AM

Mike, even among the best constitutional scholars and the justices of the supreme court there is great debate as to what the constitution means vs what the words are since the meaning of words change. An example is that the word privacy is not to be found anywhere in the constitution, but I'm sure a great constitutional scholar like you knows this and knows why. When the constitution was written, privacy meant going to the can. Get my drift? You may want to go back to the 18th century, but time only moves forward. The meaning of words change, technology changes, society changes.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 27, 2015, at 5:17 AM

Hey Sam. I enjoyed the New Yorker article. How many times does global warming need to be explained to SOME people.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 11:23 PM

Trudy It is best to not allow Cool Breeze to bring you down to his level. You haven't so far. He isn't really on here to discuss issues but to disrupt conversation.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 9:22 PM

Since it has already been disucssed and climate denial refuted, I don't feel like posting scientific studies again for those that don't read them. Anyway the climate deniers are a small noisy group who also don't believe in science, apparently. They don't represent the majority of Americans.

Andy Borowitz, however, had an article about Climate Change titled "Scientists Consider New Names for Climate Change".

NEW HAVEN (The Borowitz Report)

After a report from the Yale Center on Climate Change Communication showed that the term "climate change" elicits relatively little concern from the American public, leading scientists are recommending replacing it with a new term: "You will be burnt to a crisp and die."

Other terms under consideration by the scientists include "your cities will be ravaged by tsunamis and floods" and "earth will be a fiery ________ incapable of supporting human life."

Scientists were generally supportive of the suggestions, with many favoring the term "your future will involve rowing a boat down a river of rotting corpses."

"Any of these terms would do a better job conveying the urgency of the problem," Tracy Klugian, a spokesperson for the newly renamed Yale Center for Oh My ___ Wake Up You ________, said.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 8:47 PM

Climate change means some places are getting warmer where they shouldn't be, and some places are getting colder where they shouldn't be. So tell me CB, what other sources besides your 100 list and Yahoo are left wing in your opinion? AP, Reuters, AFP?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 7:42 PM

Welcome to the Political Forum TrudySaysThis. The article that you posted was a real eye opener.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM

This isn't the article that was posted before but it has information on why Louisiana is losing it's land. Part of the problem, according to a Tulane University web site is Eutrophication, which is not climate change but just another way that human beings are destroying their environment.

"Eutrophication is another major problem facing Louisiana's wetlands. Caused by chemical and industrial pollutants, human waste and agricultural runoff, eutrophication literally means "overnourishing." The excess chemicals present cause the wetland plants to die, breaking the marsh apart. In addition to these more indirect effects, human effect the wetlands by draining and filling them, destroying them for commercial use, and dumping pollutants directly into them."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 11:56 AM

It is not just villages in Alaska that are affected T.O.P.

The ocean is taking over Louisiana. I had posted an article awhile back, or somebody had about a Republican Congressman who was losing his district to the ocean but wasn't sure if he was going to make waves within his party about doing something about climate change.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 8:25 AM

Some interesting news on climate change. It seems real now, at least to some!

Climate change is forcing an isolated Alaskan village, roughly 80 miles above the Arctic Circle, to relocate.

The very existence of Kivalina, a town with about 400 residents on a tiny barrier island off Alaska's northwest coast, is under threat as Arctic sea ice continues to melt into the surrounding Chukchi Sea.

Now the whaling community needs to figure out where to move the town and how to pay for it, after several previous attempts failed. It's a dilemma that could become more common as global warming continues, scientists warn.

Colleen Swan, who was born and raised in Kivalina, says residents realized they were in serious trouble during 2004's fall storm surges, when the ice that had typically protected the island had not formed yet -- leaving them vulnerable.

"We need to get off this island. We can't stay here. It's not an option anymore," she said in an interview with Yahoo News.

A defensive wall has been erected, but that can only buy a bit more time. Swan says the threat of climate change extends far beyond Kivalina -- and people should be prepared.

"We're not the only ones that this is happening to, and it's coming to an area near you," Swan said. "You should become familiar with the environment around you and be aware of the disaster response plans in your area."

Christine Shearer, the program director for an energy research organization called CoalSwarm, says it could cost up to $100 million to move the village, according to federal government estimates.

"There are four villages that need to be relocated imminently," she said in an interview with Yahoo News. "The problem will likely get worse and more communities will be affected."

According to BBC News, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers estimates that Kivalina will be uninhabitable in 2025.

But Shearer, author of a book on the plight of Kivalina, says it's a little strange to give a specific deadline, because tragedy can strike at any time.

"There could all of a sudden be a huge storm that causes a lot of damage or floods the village. The issue isn't necessarily slow and steady erosion," she said.

Elizabeth Ferris, co-director of the Brookings-LSE Project on Internal Displacement, told Yahoo News that communities in Alaska are probably most affected, but other coastal areas are vulnerable to the rising sea levels.

"Most discussions of sea level rise talk in terms of inches over decades," she told Yahoo News. "Probably more threatening are the long-term impacts of hurricanes and strong storms. Half of all Americans live within 50 miles of the coast, and losses are bound to increase as storms become more intense and less predictable."

One need only think of the devastation along the Jersey shore or Breezy Point, Queens, N.Y., in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy to understand what's at stake.

Earlier this month, the New York City Panel on Climate Change released a report saying that the sea level could rise up to six feet around the city before the end of the century.

He based his illustrations on a U.S. Geological Survey estimate that sea levels will rise about 80 meters if the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets melt.

But that possibility is far off. The people of Kivalina and similar communities are dealing with the reality of climate change now.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says the Arctic is warming two times faster than anywhere else on the planet.

"Arctic warming is setting off changes that affect people and the environment in this fragile region, and has broader effects beyond the Arctic on global security, trade and climate," Craig McLean, acting assistant administrator for NOAA's office of oceanic and atmospheric research, said at a press conference in December.

Shearer says that most government policies affecting the people of Kivalina are related to disaster management -- in other words, rebuilding in an existing location, not moving to a new one.

"Something needs to change. The way things are right now, there's not really the policy framework in place to make that happen," she said. "I think that's why they feel that their [most effective] option is to bring attention to their issue."

Awareness rose last week when Sally Jewell became the first secretary of the interior to visit Kivalina. She listened to the fears of its people, who are descendants of the Inupiat tribe.

"You can see the impact of coastal erosion in the village," she said. "You can hear the fear in people's voices about what's happening with climate change. Things are changing up here, and that's part of what I'm on this trip to learn about."

At a community meeting in a school gym on the mainland, Jewell vowed to share locals' concerns with Washington and to work toward a long-term solution, the Alaska Dispatch News reported.

"I don't know what the state's responsibility is, what the federal government's responsibility is," she told the crowd. "I understand the needs you have here, and that's part of what we have to figure out."


-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 7:52 AM

Carefully read the last two paragraphs. They have the majority and should govern (not rule). The whole thought process defies logic.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- For all the talk of Republican House Speaker John Boehner being trapped by the quarrel over funding the Homeland Security Department, he holds a potential escape key, if he's willing to use it: cooperative Democrats.

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McConnell proposes immigration vote to resolve impasse Associated Press

Boehner: Senate Democrats should 'get off their ass' MarketWatch

GOP leader offers immigration vote to try to resolve impasse Associated Press

Aides say he doesn't like it, but Boehner sometimes relies on Democrats to help pass measures that many -- and sometimes most -- Republicans oppose. They include the January 2013 resolution to the "fiscal cliff" showdown, which 151 House Republicans opposed. The Democrats' 172 "yes" votes saved the measure, averting tax increases on most U.S. workers.

And last year the House raised the federal debt ceiling with 193 Democratic votes and only 28 Republican votes.

House Democrats also supplied crucial votes for big budget deals in 2011 and 2014, when 66 and 67 Republicans voted nay. And they provided most of the votes to send federal aid to Superstorm Sandy victims and to renew the Violence Against Women Act.

The bipartisan strategy carries political risks. A House speaker who defies his party's wishes too often can lose his post.

GOP Rep. Matt Salmon of Arizona said Wednesday that Boehner would be "on very thin ice" if he tries to use mainly Democratic votes to pass a Homeland Security funding measure that doesn't restrict President Barack Obama's control of immigration policies.

Boehner, a popular politician with a knack for navigating the House's serpentine currents, has survived such threats before. His track record doesn't guarantee a happy end to the Homeland Security debate. But it suggests his options aren't as limited or dire as some people suggest.

The House voted last month to end Homeland Security funding on Saturday unless Obama reverses his order to protect millions of immigrants from possible deportation. After Democratic filibusters blocked the bill in the Senate, the chamber's Republican leaders agreed this week to offer a "clean" funding measure, with no immigration strings attached.

If it advances, Boehner will face unsavory choices. They include defunding the Homeland Security Department in an era of terrorist threats, or passing a "clean" funding bill with lots of Democratic votes and GOP defections.

Some Republicans prefer the second option. House Democrats "will give Boehner some votes," predicted Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who spent eight years in the House. "It gives his 30 or 40 die-hard guys a place to go."

Graham was alluding to a hard core of ideological conservatives who defy House leaders on many topics. Their numbers range from about 25 to 80, depending on the issue, lawmakers say.

House conservatives sometimes denounce GOP leaders for cutting deals with Democrats. But even their friends say it's partly political theater.

They talk of an unofficial "hope yes, vote no caucus," which secretly counts on Democrats to pass important measures, such as debt limit hikes. Die-hard conservatives say they can't publicly support such bills without inviting primary election challenges from the right.

Republicans hold 245 House seats, to the Democrats' 188. Two seats are vacant.

Boehner can lose up to 28 Republicans and still pass a bill with no Democratic help. But defections often run much higher on contentious issues, and many Republicans have vowed to do whatever it takes to undo Obama's deportation orders.

Thirty House conservatives sent a letter to Boehner and other Republican leaders this week urging them to "stand firm against these unlawful executive actions" by Obama.

House Democrats are lying low, happy to watch Republicans struggle. They've not publicly promised to help Boehner pass a funding bill, but there's little doubt they would if Obama approves the final measure.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid said Wednesday he has spoken with House Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer, and "they're just waiting to see what's going to happen."

For now, House Republicans don't want to talk about relying on Democrats to resolve the impasse.

"I certainly wouldn't like that to happen," said Rep. Bill Flores of Texas. "We are the majority, we have the responsibility to govern."

Democrats might embrace Republican goals, Flores said, "but they should not be the people that get us over the threshold."

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 7:17 AM

CB, California, Mike's favorite whipping boy, has a balanced budget, is paying off it's bonds, has almost 4 BILLION in it's rainy day fund. I've already posted about Minn.

Mike, the hard right's desire to rule this country, and the DO want to rule! makes them no better than the communist you rant and rave about. The hard right by your own admission is a minority in this country but has decided they are entitled to lord over other peoples lives

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 7:01 AM

CoolBreeze on how the liberal states have been run, why not do some research? Why do we have to hand feed you everything. I think not, because

it is difficult to feed someone whose head is buried in the sand.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 12:08 AM

Yes, the Republicans have a chance to move forward and make progress in Congress. In 2016 if they haven't done this, and if they don't have a viable candidate well then too bad for them.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 26, 2015, at 12:05 AM

Spreading misinformation, lies, half-truths and known falsehoods in hopes of gaining some respect is desperation; so very sad; and entertaining at the same time; we're entertained by some peoples antics on this webpage; just like Fox Entertainment and the Pipeline tale.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 8:50 PM

Very true, Sara.

I'm glad to hear that Obama vetoed the pipeline bill because they bypassed a State Department review to determine if this was going to benefit the country. It looks like a final decision will be made after the State Department has reviewed the information.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, some Republicans many of whom are getting paid by either Wall Street or the Oil companies, are claiming that there is a loss in jobs because of the veto.

Why not grow jobs related to renewable resources that don't damage the climate? That would seem to be a good question.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 7:52 PM

I would expect no less from someone of his political beliefs. Plus gutting education, stealing highway funds, and any other fund he can find to try and plug the enormous hole in his budget. A hole of his own making. At the rate things are going in Kansas, they will be bankrupt. Their credit rating is shot. What's he gonna do? Go begging to his corporate masters? Go begging to uncle sam? How about manning up and admitting his tax policies are a miserable failure and then resign along with all his supporters in the legislature.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 7:49 PM

Fox Entertainment did the math and thought it would be fun to mislead the American public on the total jobs the Keystone Pipeline would create.

Entertaining but when the TransCanada CEO had to finally admit his and the entertainment channel numbers were grossly over-estimating the job creation figures, no one was amused. And Fox Entertainment didn't bother fixing their little joke on the their foolish viewers. Why would they? They got their misinformation out there and their viewers soaked up the intoxicating fumes into their pickled minds. A perfect circle, we think.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 6:50 PM

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." -- Mark Twain

I believe Mr. Twain is advising you to get your facts from places like N.A.S.A. and then do your darndest to try to distort them into Tea Party dogma.

The Heartland Institute will only be laughed at.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 6:31 PM

Mike, this country has freedom of religion. Why would the number of Muslims working for the Administration matter at all? Calling it a "muslim infestation" is a bigoted statement.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 6:04 PM

I see that CoolBreeze is now showing links to Huffington, a news agency that he claims is unreliable when people not so far to the right post them.

Now, once again he is quoting from the Heartland Institute a well known climate denier financed largely by big oil. It also was a tobacco being harmful denier and apparently still is, financed by the tobacco industry. Heartland thinks that second hand smoke doesn't hurt you either.

"The Heartland Institute: a clearing house of climate denial campaign tactics

If we were to focus on one think tank that has been a leader in the campaign against climate science in recent years, deploying the variety of tricks most other think tanks and individuals also use in climate denial campaigns, it would be the Heartland Institute.

The Heartland Institute is a Chicago-based "free market" think tank and 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that has become a hub for the network of individuals and organizations denying the scientific evidence for man-made climate change.

The Heartland Institute has received:

*at least $676,500 from ExxonMobil since 1998, (but was dropped by Exxon in 2007)

*$14,498,497 from the combination of the Donors Trust and Donors Capital Fund 2002-2011, including very large grants over the past five years.

In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with tobacco giant Philip Morris to question the science linking second-hand smoke to health risks, and lobbied against government public health reforms around tobacco. Philip Morris executive Roy Marden was on Heartland's board, it funded the think tank, and CEO Joseph Bast had been a long-time campaigner on the issue."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 6:01 PM

You might be right T.O.P.

On another subject, potential Republican candidates, Andy Borowitz had a few "tongue in cheek things to say in his article titled "Republicans Unlearning Facts Learned in Third Grade to Compete in Primary".

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)--In the hopes of appealing to Republican primary voters, candidates for the 2016 Presidential nomination are working around the clock to unlearn everything that they have learned since the third grade, aides to the candidates have confirmed.

With the Iowa caucuses less than a year away, the hopefuls are busy scrubbing their brains of basic facts of math, science, and geography in an attempt to resemble the semi-sentient beings that Republican primary voters prize.

An aide to Jeb Bush acknowledged that, for the former Florida governor, "The unlearning curve has been daunting."

"The biggest strike against Jeb is that he graduated from college Phi Beta Kappa," the aide said. "It's going to take a lot of work to get his brain back to its factory settings."

At the campaign of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, the mood was considerably more upbeat, as aides indicated that Walker's ironclad façade of ignorance is being polished to a high sheen.

"The fact that Scott instinctively says that he doesn't know the answers to even the easiest questions gives him an enormous leg up," an aide said.

But while some G.O.P. candidates are pulling all-nighters to rid themselves of knowledge acquired when they were eight, the campaign of Rick Perry, the former governor of Texas, is exuding a quiet confidence.

"I don't want to sound too cocky about Rick," said one Perry aide. "But what little he knows, he's shown he can forget."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 1:42 PM

Has anybody but me figured out that the far right is absolutely unwilling to discuss Sam Brownback's miserable failure????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 12:16 PM

Good point, Sara on the "all men are created equal".

That concept makes Mike's comment "when FEINSTEIN HERSELF speaks out against her own muslim infested administration" that makes me think that he doesn't think that Muslims in America are as equal as he is. It also makes me think that he doesn't really understand the concepts being pushed forward in the founding of this country.

I admit that even at the time the country was founded, not everyone was thought of as equal but the majority of Americans NOW are getting better on that.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 10:17 AM

T,O.P., to add to your point about trickle down economics just not working, "The Atlantic" published a interview with Jan W. Rivkin, an economist from the Harvard Business School. The article was titled "Why the Gap Between Worker Pay and Productivity Is So Problematic'.

The interview discussed the fact that since the 1970's the gap between business productivity and worker wages has widened significantly. This is because businesses are using the workers but not investing in their employee infrastructure in regards to pay, training, and education. The employees in the United States then can't compete with people all over the world so the companies hire people from India and other countries that do invest in their worker base.

All of this results in the middle class getting poorer and less of a consumer of products, which in turn hurts the economy. It's a downward spiral.

There is hope though, if America and the businesses in America change their ways. Rivkin said "There is however another, far-better path possible. Federal policy makers put their long-term fiscal house in order, invest in infrastructure, enact policies that make America a great place to do business. Business leaders recognizing their long-run interest is in a vibrant commons take steps to build a skilled workforce, to upgrade local suppliers, to foster innovation, to reinforce education. The productivity gains enable firms in the U.S. to win in the global market place while also creating jobs that lift living standards. And then with robust growth, government and business gather the resources to reinvest in making the business environment better and better over time."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 10:12 AM

CB, And what about "compromise" which was the favorite word in Washington just last year?

-- Posted by skeeter on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 9:23 AM

And what about Sam Brownback's policies in Kansas?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 8:50 AM

As expected CB, you refuse to deal with facts and instead spew rhetoric. How very typical of you.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 7:45 AM

In the depths of our brains we think there is a document out there that states;

* "All men are created equal" *.

Maybe someone could refresh our memory where that came from.

Meanwhile back on the range we understand some people who say they hold the US Constitution near and dear can say;

* men are equal......but "equal" men aren't free. It's one of the roots of communism. *

Those silly old forefathers; must have been communists.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 7:38 AM

Budget deficits and surpluses are a matter of public record, same for unemployment rates and the numbers for job creation and median income. Do you regard Forbes as some liberal left wing publication?

Rather than attack the source, why don't you try and address the facts cited in the article?

Would you like to have a discussion about the state of Kansas's economy after Brownback's slash and burn fiscal policies?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 7:29 AM

I already know who will make childish remarks about the source because he has in the past, but it's hard to argue real numbers and real results, but the right will continue to try.

The next time your right-wing family member or former high school classmate posts a status update or tweet about how taxing the rich or increasing workers' wages kills jobs and makes businesses leave the state, I want you to send them this article.

When he took office in January of 2011, Minnesota governor Mark Dayton inherited a $6.2 billion budget deficit and a 7 percent unemployment rate from his predecessor, Tim Pawlenty, the soon-forgotten Republican candidate for the presidency who called himself Minnesota's first true fiscally-conservative governor in modern history. Pawlenty prided himself on never raising state taxes -- the most he ever did to generate new revenue was increase the tax on cigarettes by 75 cents a pack. Between 2003 and late 2010, when Pawlenty was at the head of Minnesota's state government, he managed to add only 6,200 more jobs.

During his first four years in office, Gov. Dayton raised the state income tax from 7.85 to 9.85 percent on individuals earning over $150,000, and on couples earning over $250,000 when filing jointly -- a tax increase of $2.1 billion. He's also agreed to raise Minnesota's minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by 2018, and passed a state law guaranteeing equal pay for women. Republicans like state representative Mark Uglem warned against Gov. Dayton's tax increases, saying, "The job creators, the big corporations, the small corporations, they will leave. It's all dollars and sense to them." The conservative friend or family member you shared this article with would probably say the same if their governor tried something like this. But like Uglem, they would be proven wrong.

Between 2011 and 2015, Gov. Dayton added 172,000 new jobs to Minnesota's economy -- that's 165,800 more jobs in Dayton's first term than Pawlenty added in both of his terms combined. Even though Minnesota's top income tax rate is the 4th-highest in the country, it has the 5th-lowest unemployment rate in the country at 3.6 percent. According to 2012-2013 U.S. census figures, Minnesotans had a median income that was $10,000 larger than the U.S. average, and their median income is still $8,000 more than the U.S. average today.

By late 2013, Minnesota's private sector job growth exceeded pre-recession levels, and the state's economy was the 5th fastest-growing in the United States. Forbes even ranked Minnesota the 9th-best state for business (Scott Walker's "Open For Business" Wisconsin came in at a distant #32 on the same list). Despite the fearmongering over businesses fleeing from Dayton's tax cuts, 6,230 more Minnesotans filed in the top income tax bracket in 2013, just one year after Dayton's tax increases went through. As of January 2015, Minnesota has a $1 billion budget surplus, and Gov. Dayton has pledged to reinvest more than one third of that money into public schools. And according to Gallup, Minnesota's economic confidence is higher than any other state

Gov. Dayton didn't accomplish all of these reforms by shrewdly manipulating people -- this article describes Dayton's astonishing lack of charisma and articulateness. He isn't a class warrior driven by a desire to get back at the 1 percent -- Dayton is a billionaire heir to the Target fortune. It wasn't just a majority in the legislature that forced him to do it -- Dayton had to work with a Republican-controlled legislature for his first two years in office. And unlike his Republican neighbor to the east, Gov. Dayton didn't assert his will over an unwilling populace by creating obstacles between the people and the vote -- Dayton actually created an online voter registration system, making it easier than ever for people to register to vote.

The reason Gov. Dayton was able to radically transform Minnesota's economy into one of the best in the nation is simple arithmetic. Raising taxes on those who can afford to pay more will turn a deficit into a surplus. Raising the minimum wage will increase the median income. And in a state where education is a budget priority and economic growth is one of the highest in the nation, it only makes sense that more businesses would stay.

It's official -- trickle-down economics is bunk. Minnesota has proven it once and for all. If you believe otherwise, you are wrong.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 25, 2015, at 5:56 AM

Mike in regards to your comment, I have to repeat. If you don't feel the need to cite your sources to prove that your information is accurate then I don't feel the need to do other than scoff at your comments.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 24, 2015, at 11:58 PM

CoolBreeze, I think you should read your entire article. The last sentence says:

"The GSA said some of the presents were donated and others were sold to the public."

What this means is the Hillary Clinton didn't keep the gifts for herself. Historically, Presidents have received and other officials have received gifts from foreign governments however they don't keep them as their personal possession.

Nice try, on trying to shift Huckabee's guilt onto Clinton.

I'm really getting tired of having to read your entire articles, to point out the elephant in the room that you are missing. You are wasting everyone's time.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 24, 2015, at 11:56 PM

Oh, I didn't see your link Sam. That pretty much tells it all.

-- Posted by Geordey on Tue, Feb 24, 2015, at 8:35 PM

I don't believe that Huckabee is a viable presidential candidate. He reportedly accepted some expensive free gifts without declaring them. That's going to keep him off the ticket.

-- Posted by Geordey on Tue, Feb 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM

MHHS boys basketball team plays for the district championship tomorrow. Game is at MHHS 7:00 p.m. vs Middleton. It is an orange out game so you can all leave your red and blue at home.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Feb 24, 2015, at 7:46 PM

I stand corrected Mike.

Huckabee has ONE OF the best records, huh? Well that may come from the tiny minority from the Tea Party that don't have to use actual facts, but hear you go Mike. I know that you won't read it because you only believe what you want to believe.

Now where is that citation about Romney, the jackhammer, and the U.N. So you heard it but nobody else did?


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 24, 2015, at 3:12 PM

I agree Sara. Once again someone from Idaho embarrassed the state and it got picked up by the national news. I saw this in huffingtonpost.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 24, 2015, at 3:08 PM

Additional funding for education is needed in Idaho's school system; This becomes even more evident when Republican Idaho lawmakers speak in public.


-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Feb 24, 2015, at 10:39 AM

Mike, if you don't feel that you need to provide a valid source for your claims, then I don't feel the need to do anything but scoff at your claims.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 24, 2015, at 10:33 AM

lawyersareleeche, you talk like CoolBreeze and your links are false like him. Your youtube link for everyone else's information does not back up Mike's claim that Romney said to jackhammer the U.N. The link is merely a stupid joke from Romney about Obama, which had nothing to do with the U.N.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 24, 2015, at 10:30 AM

sam I found that link you are wanting....


-- Posted by lawyersareleeches on Mon, Feb 23, 2015, at 7:13 PM

Huckabee has the best record, huh? Well that may come from the tiny minority from the Tea Party that don't have to use actual facts, but hear you go Mike. I know that you won't read it because you only believe what you want to believe. -- Now where is that citation about Romney, the jackhammer, and the U.N. So you heard it but nobody else did?


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 23, 2015, at 7:08 PM

Mike, I dare you to come up with just one reasonable citation saying that Romney said it.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 23, 2015, at 5:22 PM

Mike, I'll respond to your U.N. comment on the other blog page here because I don't want to participate in drifting off topic there. From what I have noticed, a few keep drifting off topic, and then the blog is closed for further comments. Is that kind of what you have planned when you drift off topic?

Now to my response to your comment.

You are claiming that Romney is such a smart guy that he wants to jackhammer the U.N. to rubble and that he said that in the presidential debates. Romney didn't say that.

Mike Huckabee, who actually may be stupider than Romney said it and what Huckabee actually said was "Let's jackhammer the whole thing off, float it into the East River and be done with it." This was in September 2013.

Now people may wonder why Huckabee said this. Well, it was because he wanted the U.N. to condemn Syria for using chemical weapons. The U.N. wanted to investigate whether that was true. Imagine that, actually investigating something!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 23, 2015, at 4:53 PM

If some people want to invent terrorist organizations, we have no problems with that; why not

# Right Wing Religious Terrorists; claiming their deity will destroy the USA for certain views, beliefs or actions.

# The Christian Deity Terrorists; a god that kills or destroys countries, cities or subsets of our population.

# Tea Party Terrorists; feigning revolution and civil war against an unidentified group of people living in the USA.

All designed to use violent acts or the threat of violence to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Feb 23, 2015, at 3:12 PM

Nope, I looked around. The ship isn't taking on water, Mike. Keep hoping though.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 23, 2015, at 10:06 AM

CoolBreeze on the "Islamic Terrorist" phrase that you are dying for Obama to say so that you can complain about that, it has been explained many times why that phrase is counter-productive for America's role in the world, and a negative on some Americans.

It might be time to give that broken record a rest. Yes we get it, you want to show fake umbrage over Obama not saying that misleading, inaccurate phrase.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 7:56 PM

You do know that as I stated, the report was a satire Mike? I don't believe that the majority of Americans are idiots. If you think that they are, then it sounds like you don't love America.

Oh, I remember now, the Tea Party hates Obama more than it loves America.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 7:52 PM

This is from "The Borowitz Report" a satire on the Rudy Giuliani accusation that Obama doesn't Love America.

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)--In his weekly radio address, President Barack Obama reaffirmed his love of country, telling the nation, "I love America--even its idiots."

Expanding on this theme, the President said, "America is made up of all kinds of people: young and old, weak and strong, smart and dumb. And when the really dumb ones get up and act like total clowns, I still love them, because they are part of America. In fact, a really big part."

In a call for unity, the President concluded, "Let's all work together for the United States of America. And if that means putting aside our differences--including our sometimes vast differences in intelligence--so be it."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 6:41 PM

T.O.P. I see that you had already commented on this from another source. It was hard to see the factual comments in between the other noise going on in this forum.

Just think of my post as reinforcement for your post.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 6:00 PM

Time.com reported on a new poll by the Associated Press which addresses the recommendations made by Obama in his 2016 budget.

- 56% of Americans feel that they are paying too much in taxes

- 56% feel that increasing capital gains taxes for families with incomes over $500,000 is a good idea.

Unfortunately, Time goes on to say "Despite the poll's apparent show of support for the President's proposals, none are expected to win the support of the Republican-controlled Congress."

That's too bad for the country but happily it is also too bad for the Republicans in the 2016 election. If they continue to choose to ignore the wishes of the American people some of them may be booted out.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 5:49 PM

Michael, if it does happen, EVERYONE will wish they hadn't seen it! You don't know me from Adam, so quit with your veiled threats. You don't know which side of the fence I stand on, but, because I show disdain with the manner in which you voice your opinion, I'm branded a liberal (read enemy). Well, tough guy, I'm neither.

You have to ride your high horse and grant yourself supremacy over everyone that doesn't kiss your backside. Fine, hero, you win. You and "cool" can just keep slapping yourselves high fives until your palms are blistered, I don't care anymore. You two beating your chests on a public blog speaks volumes to your manhood.

Now you two go back to the sandbox and brag on yourselves...little boys.

-- Posted by MrMister on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 1:38 PM

It looks to me like any crowing is coming from you CoolBreeze. You can expect that when you post false information people commenting on this blog will point it out. So get over yourself and start showing responsibility for your actions.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 12:31 PM

Good try at trying to cover your tracks CB

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 11:35 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The rich aren't taxed enough and the middle class is taxed too much. As for your taxes, you probably think they're too high as well.

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Coming this tax season: tax laws favoring the rich in a state near you Christian Science Monitor

Those are the results of an Associated Press-GfK poll that found that most people in the United States support President Barack Obama's proposal to raise investment taxes on high-income families.

The findings echo the populist messages of two liberal senators -- Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Bernie Sanders of Vermont -- being courted by the progressive wing of the Democratic Party to run for president in 2016. The results also add weight to Obama's new push to raise taxes on the rich and use some of the revenue to lower taxes on the middle class.

Obama calls his approach "middle-class economics."

It's not flying with Republicans in Congress, who oppose higher taxes.

But Bob Montgomery of Martinsville, Virginia, said people with higher incomes should pay more.

"I think the more you make the more taxes you should pay," said Montgomery, who is retired after working 40 years at an auto dealership. "I can't see where a man makes $50,000 a year pays as much taxes as somebody that makes $300,000 a year."

According to the poll, 68 percent of those questioned said wealthy households pay too little in federal taxes; only 11 percent said the wealthy pay too much.

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Also, 60 percent said middle-class households pay too much in federal taxes, while 7 percent said they paid too little.

Obama laid out a series of tax proposals as part of his 2016 budget released this month. Few are likely to win approval in the Republican-controlled Congress. But if fellow Democrats were to embrace his ideas, they could play a role in the 2016 race.

One proposal would increase capital gains taxes on households making more than $500,000. In the survey, 56 percent favored the proposal, while only 16 percent opposed it.

Democrats, at 71 percent, were the most likely to support raising taxes on capital gains. Among Republicans and independents, 46 percent supported it.

Obama's other tax plans didn't fare as well.

About 27 percent said they favored making estates pay capital gains taxes on assets when they are inherited, and 36 percent opposed it.

Just 19 percent said they supported the president's aborted plan to scale back the tax benefits of popular college savings plans, 529 accounts, named after a section in federal tax law. Obama withdrew the proposal after Republicans and some Democrats in Congress opposed it.

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"I think that's a poor idea," said Jamie Starr of suburban Atlanta. "Being that I'm a mother of five children, that is a wonderful program."

"That's kids trying to make their own away in this world without having student loans," she said.

Obama's proposal to levy a new tax on banks was supported by 47 percent of those surveyed. Only 13 percent opposed it, while 36 percent were undecided.

It's tax season, that time of the year when people are confronted by their obligations to the government. The poll found that 56 percent of us think our own federal taxes are too high, and 4 percent said they pay too little.

If taxes are increased, a slight majority said the additional money should help pay down the national debt. Using the money to cut other taxes or fund government programs were less popular options.

Republicans, in general, are more likely than Democrats to oppose higher taxes, except when it comes to low-income families.

Only 19 percent of respondents said low-income families pay too little in federal taxes, but there was a significant split between the political parties. Just 10 percent of Democrats said low-income families pay too little, while 33 percent of Republicans said they don't pay enough.

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According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the poorest 20 percent of households paid less than 1 percent of all federal taxes in 2011, the latest year for data. The top 10 percent paid more than half of all federal taxes.

That's OK, said Sen. Sanders, an independent from Vermont, because wealthy people have seen their incomes soar while the rest of the country's wages have been much more flat.

"Most people understand that at a time when the rich are becoming much richer, the middle class is continuing to disappear," Sanders said. "And people also understand that the very wealthy and large corporations are able to take advantage of huge loopholes, which enable them not to pay their fair share of taxes."

Obama has been pushing to raise taxes on the rich since his first campaign for president in 2008. He has had some success. In January 2013, Obama persuaded Republicans in Congress to let income tax rates go up for families making more than $450,000 a year. It was part of a deal that made permanent a large package of tax cuts first enacted under Republican President George W. Bush.

Some liberals are looking for a candidate to push for higher taxes on the rich in the 2016 race. Sanders and Democrat Warren would fit the profile, though Warren says she is not running for president and Sanders says he has not made up his mind.

Among Democrats, Hillary Rodham Clinton is seen as the front-runner for the nomination; she has yet to make her candidacy official.

Clinton hasn't offered specifics on how she would approach taxes as a candidate. But she offered a glimpse of her views following Obama's State of the Union Address in January, when she tweeted that Obama "pointed way to an economy that works for all. Now we need to step up & deliver for the middle class. #FairShot #FairShare."


The AP-GfK Poll of 1,045 adults was conducted online Jan. 29-Feb. 2, using a sample drawn from GfK's probability-based KnowledgePanel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

Respondents were first selected randomly using phone or mail survey methods, and later interviewed online. People selected for KnowledgePanel who didn't otherwise have access to the Internet were provided access at no cost to them.



AP-GfK Poll: http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 10:52 AM

CoolBreeze, you apparently don't know how a grown-up responds to bogus information being presented because Dave, T.O.P. and myself pointed out your error in a mature way. Some were amused, but I'm not.

Instead of behaving like a blog troll why not read and post from reputable sources, leaving the insults out? That would be more grown-up behavior.

"Sam, in true liberal form, both of your assumptions are wrong. I posted it knowing full well it was not the least bit true. I did so, knowing it would make liberal's heads spin, sending them rocking and reeling with indignation and offense.

You all responded in exactly the manner I predicted. Thanks very much!

The next time you post a fabrication I'll show you how a grown-up responds."

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 10:41 AM

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 10:48 AM

Mike, do you realize CB just played you for a fool?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 10:43 AM

Mike in regards to your broken record/comment. My responses are below in CAPS.

"Obama's been president over SIX years now, Sam. Heartbreaking as it seems to you.......you CAN'T blame Bush anymore. It just doesn't fly.


This is OBAMA's mess. This is on HIS watch, and HE'S been on the world stage now.


The disaster this has become falls in three places:

1. This president who thinks he's the KING


2. The voters who've SUPPORTED this nation turning communist


3. Every elected "Republican" who has sat back and done nothing to stop it"


-- Posted by Mike Bradbury on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 7:49 AM

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 10:32 AM

CoolBreeze, your fake article and study tells me that either:

1. You don't even fully read what you post and where the post came from to determine if it is relevant


2. You are attempting to deceive others on the blog.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 10:21 AM

900 scientists luring people to unmarked vans with offers of money?!

That's funny!

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 9:44 AM

I would copy and paste the closing remark in CB's link, but it's language would cause it to be deleted, but in essence it said that everything that preceded the closing remark was unadulterated baloney.

Hey CB, got an idea for you. Try reading the whole link!

What a joke you are.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 9:43 AM

Get real CB! Your link is nothing more than a single entry blog! Post a real link to Harvard University if you want it believed. Posting garbage like this just shows how desperate you really are, and how gullible the hard right is if they accept this garbage as fact and reality.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 9:31 AM

I agree Dave. I think CB has completely lost it in a fog of something to even post something like that and expect anyone but him to take it seriously.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 8:10 AM

Now that's funny!

You'd better sober up before you go to church this morning.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sun, Feb 22, 2015, at 7:52 AM

It appears that Dr. Willie Soon got caught client change denying while on the payroll of oil companies. His reports were referred to as "deliverables" to the company for which he was paid.

He might be losing his job. According to the New York Times:

"He has accepted more than $1.2 million in money from the fossil-fuel industry over the last decade while failing to disclose that conflict of interest in most of his scientific papers. At least 11 papers he has published since 2008 omitted such a disclosure, and in at least eight of those cases, he appears to have violated ethical guidelines of the journals that published his work."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 9:33 PM

My answers to your questions are in CAPS below your question.

"And did you also watch the video of SENATOR Obama, calling a 9 trillion dollar debt both "unpatriotic and unacceptable", Sam ?


Do those terms still apply at EIGHTEEN trillion?......or is it somehow "DIFFERENT" now since Obama is president?"


-- Posted by Mike Bradbury on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 4:52 PM

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 8:32 PM

'Case you're wondering, draft, I'm not a liberal. What I wrote was simply a feeling of disgust of our greatest american hero trying to tie the Holocaust into the discussion.

Now, if you want to believe that makes me a liberal, by all means, believe away. Seems that anytime someone says anything not in line with your creed, they're either liberal or racist.

And michael, I didn't fail history. Speaking of history, shouldn't something "hitting the fan" have been history by now?


-- Posted by MrMister on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 7:10 PM

OSLO (Reuters) - More than 1000 Muslims formed a human shield around Oslo's synagogue on Saturday, offering symbolic protection for the city's Jewish community and condemning an attack on a synagogue in neighboring Denmark last weekend.

Chanting "No to anti-Semitism, no to Islamophobia," Norway's Muslims formed what they called a ring of peace a week after Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein, a Danish-born son of Palestinian immigrants, killed two people at a synagogue and an event promoting free speech in Copenhagen last weekend.

"Humanity is one and we are here to demonstrate that," Zeeshan Abdullah, one of the protest's organizers told a crowd of Muslim immigrants and ethnic Norwegians who filled the small street around Oslo's only functioning synagogue.

"There are many more peace mongers than warmongers," Abdullah said as organizers and Jewish community leaders stood side by side. "There's still hope for humanity, for peace and love, across religious differences and backgrounds."

Norway's Jewish community is one of Europe's smallest, numbering around 1000, and the Muslim population, which has been growing steadily through immigration, is 150,000 to 200,000. Norway has a population of about 5.2 million.

The debate over immigration in the country came to the forefront in 2011 when Anders Behring Breivik killed 77 people and accused the government and the then-ruling Labour party of facilitating Muslim immigration and adulterating pure Norwegian blood.

Support for immigration has been rising steadily since those attacks, however, and an opinion poll late last year found that 77 percent of people thought immigrants made an important contribution to Norwegian society.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 3:56 PM

T.O.P. you don't appear to be hurt to me. You've provided CoolBreeze and Mike with definitions of their favorite words "socialist" and "fascist" and pointed out that they are mutually exclusive.

On CoolBreeze's opinion piece, you are right to discard it. It was from a club page for "Objectivists" from Laurence University. The home page for the club states "Lawrence almost certainly disagrees with the club on most issues."

On the gulagbound web site, a look at it shows that it is an EXTREME right wing site. The people that created that sight have clearly lost their grip on reality.

Now what were we talking about? I see, it was McCain and how when he was running for President against Obama he took the high road. He did, but he doesn't always. Probably those are just human failings. He is a war hero though, so I cut him some slack.

I watched the video of the scene in the committee room, and the protestors weren't violent and did sit down and shut up, after a short protest, except for one who was escorted out of the room. McCain then took some verbal cheap shots at the guy being escorted peacefully out of the room.

But ... like I said, I cut McCain some slack because he has served his country well.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 1:03 PM

Try posting FACTS!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 12:53 PM

1st link is an opinion piece, rejected!

2nd link is a right wing website, rejected!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 10:49 AM

That's a liberal for you, Mike. Get offended by a historical mention and ignore how fascist/socialist our own government is becoming.

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 6:58 AM


noun fas*cism \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\

: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

: very harsh control or authority


noun so*cial*ist \ˈsō-sh(ə-)list\

: a person who believes in socialism

Socialist : a member of a political party that supports socialism

Full Definition of SOCIALIST


: one who advocates or practices socialism


capitalized : a member of a party or political group advocating socialism

Full Definition of SOCIALISM


: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state


: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism andcommunism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


The two terms seem mutually exclusive.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 8:25 AM

WASHINGTON -- Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain kicked protesters out of a committee hearing Thursday, calling them "low-life scum" as they hollered for the arrest of one of the witnesses, former secretary of state Henry Kissinger.

Shortly after Kissinger, 91, took a seat at the witness table, several protesters from the anti-war group Code Pink approached from behind, waving signs and a pair of handcuffs, and chanting, "Arrest Henry Kissinger for war crimes."

"You know, you're going to have to shut up or I'm going to have you arrested," McCain said from the podium, calling for U.S. Capitol Police to remove them. As officers escorted the protesters out of the hearing room, the six-term Arizona Republican, a decorated Vietnam veteran and former prisoner of war, growled, "Get out of here, you low-life scum."


This must be that "standard of common decency and common sense" that OP is talking about.....

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 6:45 PM

Apples and oranges.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 21, 2015, at 7:00 AM

When they see the boxcars.

-- Posted by Mike Bradbury on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 7:26 AM

If that's in reference to what I think it is, then you are one sick puppy. To trivialize that event is beyond shameful, it's utterly disgusting.

-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 8:25 PM

Wrong CoolBreeze. Try doing some deep insightful thinking.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 7:10 PM

Richard Hofstadter, a Columbia University historian wrote this in 1964. It seems to be true today when he identified "the paranoid style in American Politics" . . . with "heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy."

He also said in 1964, "The modern right wing . . . feels dispossessed: America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high."

What was said in 1964 seems to remain true today. Watch out! We've got some really paranoid people running around.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 5:33 PM

A NOTABLE moment of the 2008 presidential campaign came when Republican nominee John McCain faced down at a rally some of the more vitriolic haters of Barack Obama, who were shouting that the Democrat was a "terrorist" and an "Arab."

"No, ma'am," Mr. McCain said. "He's a decent family man [and] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues, and that's what this campaign's all about . . .

"We want to fight, and I will fight," the candidate continued. "But I will be respectful. I admire Senator Obama and his accomplishments, and I will respect him."

You might hope that such lessons in character wouldn't need to be relearned, but if so you would be disappointed. At a private dinner Wednesday for Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a likely candidate for the 2016 GOP presidential nomination, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani said: "I do not believe that the president loves America. He doesn't love you. And he doesn't love me. He wasn't brought up the way you were brought up, and I was brought up through love of this country."

The former mayor has dived off the deep end before, so there was nothing all that surprising in his latest poison. But as Post columnist Dana Milbank points out, his remarks presented an early test of character for Mr. Walker, and Mr. Walker failed spectacularly. At the dinner, the governor said nothing. Even the next morning, having had a night to ponder, Mr. Walker chose not to lift himself out of the Giuliani sewer. "The mayor can speak for himself. I'm not going to comment on what the president thinks or not. He can speak for himself as well," Mr. Walker said on CNBC. "I'll tell you, I love America, and I think there are plenty of people, Democrat and Republican and independent and everyone in between who love this country."

Mr. Walker likes to present himself as a man of courage, based on his record in Wisconsin, but maybe facing down public-sector unions doesn't tell you all that much about the bravery of a Republican governor. On two occasions in recent days, he has proved himself incapable of saying basic truths that might offend some of his potential voters: First, that evolution is real, and second, that an honorable politician criticizes his opponent's policies, not his patriotism. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) showed his understanding of that principle Friday when he said, "I believe the president loves America. His ideas are bad."

Any reader of this page knows that we find plenty to criticize in Mr. Obama's foreign policy. But the questions about his patriotism that emerge from a venomous stew of racism, xenophobia and echo-chamber cable television chatter are ludicrous and say a great deal more about the critics than about the object of their criticism. It was particularly pathetic to see Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), another would-be president, scrambling to steal some of the spotlight of Mr. Walker's cowardice by issuing a statement titled, "Gov. Jindal Refuses to Condemn Mayor Giuliani." The only response to that can be, who cares?

We have entered what will be a long and often acrimonious campaign season. Let's hope voters will find at least some candidates in both parties who can meet the McCain standard of common decency and common sense.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 3:27 PM

Those wanting Obama to use the phrase "Islamic Terrorism" are probably suffering from Islamophobia. Gallup has conducted a poll to determine who these people are and these are some things that they found. Of the people surveyed:

1. They have the lowest educational achievement.

2. They are more likely to be married.

3. They are more likely to be Republicans.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 2:25 PM

Other phrases that Obama has not used:

1. Christian Terrorism

2. Jewish Terrorism

3. Buddhist Terrorism

Slightly off the subject, but related to the discussion of what the lunatic right fringe wants, I found this article titled "Evangelists Plan to Convert Atheist Computers to Christianity"

This is what it said.

Christian evangelists said this week that artificially intelligent (AI) computer brains should be converted from atheism to Christianity.

In an article published on Wednesday, Gizmodo's Zoltan Istvan pointed out that the world was nearing a point where "autonomous, self-aware super intelligences" created by humans would be part of our culture.

And several pastors and theologians told Istvan that there was no reason that a computer could not be saved by Jesus.

"I don't see Christ's redemption limited to human beings," Providence Presbyterian Church Associate Pastor Dr. Christopher Benek insisted. "If AI is autonomous, then we should encourage it to participate in Christ's redemptive purposes in the world."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 1:55 PM

There are some who believe that President Obama is a Muslim, and he will not use the term "Islamic Terrorism" because he can't dis' the faith; so.....that's proof he's a Muslim! Which never made any sense to me. The article I read the article from The Atlantic posted on Brian Orban's most recent blog (thanx Darksc8p)provides a well structured argument in opposition to that line of thought.


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM

Six records of remarks on terror, made between Jan - Apr 2008; five of them mention terror, there is no reference to Islam in four, and one to "the Islamic Jihad organization" (no mention of "Islamic Terrorism"). The last in the list refers to the president's appointment of a "Presidential Envoy to the Organization of Islamic Conference."






And one referring to Islam:


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 11:05 AM

Dave, I can't cite any time that a POTUS used the phrase "Islamic Terrorism". Or a VP either. I believe the reason for the insistence that Obama use the phrase is some more fake umbrage from the extreme right.

This came from the Common Ground News Service in regards to that term.

Term: Islamic Terrorism

Intended Meaning: Acts of terrorism by individuals who claim to conduct them in the name of Islam

Why a Problem: Implies that terrorism can be Islamic in character, i.e., that the ethos of Islam is compatible with that of terrorism

Impact: Most Muslims feel insulted, wronged, and even angry on hearing expressions which seem to blame terrorism on, or attribute it to, Islam; the term helps terrorists as it reinforces the idea that the West views Islam as a source of evil and openly says so


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 10:49 AM

You reckon there's a presidential conspiracy to brainwash us?

[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2006, Book II)]

[October 20, 2006]

[Pages 1894-1895]

[From the U.S. Government Printing Office www.gpo.gov]

Message on the Observance of Eid al-Fitr

October 20, 2006

I send greetings to Muslims in the United States and around the world celebrating Eid al-Fitr.

Islam is a great faith that has transcended racial and ethnic divisions and brought hope and comfort to many people. Throughout Ramadan, Muslims have fasted to focus their minds on faith and to direct their hearts to charity. Eid al-Fitr marks the completion of this holy

month with the

[[Page 1895]]

Festival of Breaking the Fast. During this joyous celebration, Muslims thank God for his guidance and blessings by gathering with family and

friends, sharing traditional foods, and showing compassion to those in need.

America is strengthened by the countless contributions of our Muslim citizens, and we value our ties with Muslim nations throughout the

world. For people of all faiths, Eid al-Fitr is an opportunity to reflect on the values we share and the friendships that bind all who trace their faith back to God's call to Abraham.

Laura and I send our best wishes for a joyous

Eid and for health, happiness, and prosperity in the year ahead. Eid Mubarak.

George W. Bush

Note: This message was released by the Office of the Press Secretary on

October 23. An original was not available for verification of the

content of this message.


Can anyone cite any reference where a sitting President of the United States used the phrase "Islamic Terrorism"?

How about a sitting V.P.?


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 10:19 AM




an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author:

It is said that he plagiarized Thoreau's plagiarism of a line written by Montaigne.

Synonyms: appropriation, infringement, piracy, counterfeiting; theft, borrowing, cribbing, passing off.


a piece of writing or other work reflecting such unauthorized use or imitation:

I think I understand the term. Do you CB??????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 8:58 AM

No matter where you got the list, it speaks volumes that you don't name the site.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 4:57 AM

Unlike you, CoolBreeze, I actually look at the links posted. You'll be glad to hear that I'm still laughing at you.

Obama doesn't say Muslim terrorists. Why would that be? Could it be that all Muslims are not terrorists and he is trying to set an example and lead us to not grouping people by the acts of a minority. Maybe it's time to really look at the issues and not be grasping at straws to complain about Obama. Yeah, we know that you hate him. Move on.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 12:08 AM

T.O.P. the list is a viral list posting on multiple extreme right wing web sites but it is the same list and is from 2010. CoolBreeze could have gotten it from one of his favorite United Kingdom right wing sources but it doesn't matter. It is out of date and biased.

I'm still laughing about that.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 8:21 PM

Oh, CoolBreeze! Before you start rebuking your information came from 2010 and is probably a viral list share among many extreme right wing web sites. I found the exact list on frounce.com.

frounce.com is so named because it says it "Frowns and Pounces". It says that it is a conservative web site. A look at their About page, provides nothing about the web site just this.

"Definition of Frounce:


v. 1. To frown and pounce.

v. 2. To form wrinkles in or upon; as in a dress.

n. 1. A frown-wrinkle; a wrinkle on the forehead.; a frown.


adj. 1. Beaten; wrinkled (as in collapsed) and cut on the forehead.

Lindsay Lohan got frounced by the paparazzi."

I would rebuke this feeble attempt to denigrate other sources of information but I just .... can't .... stop .... laughing!


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 8:05 PM

Who would have thought. The private sector ripping off the government (translation taxpayers).

Giant health insurer Humana, Inc. faces new scrutiny from the Justice Department over allegations it has overcharged the government by claiming some elderly patients enrolled in its popular Medicare plans are sicker than they actually are.

The Louisville, Kentucky-based company disclosed the Justice Department's recent civil "information request" in an annual report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Feb. 18. The company noted that it is cooperating with authorities.

"We continue to cooperate with and voluntarily respond to the information requests from the Department of Justice and the U.S. Attorney's Office," Humana wrote.

The privately run Medicare Advantage plans offer seniors an alternative to standard Medicare, which pays doctors for each service they render. By contrast, under Medicare Advantage, the health plans are paid a set fee monthly for each patient based on a complex formula known as a risk score. Essentially, the government pays higher rates for sicker patients and less for those in good health.

But overcharges related to inflated risk scores, intentional or not, have cost taxpayers billions of dollars in recent years, as the Center for Public Integrity reported in a series published last year.

The Center first disclosed multiple investigations of the Humana Medicare Advantage plan last May based on records filed by the U.S. Attorney's Office in a Miami civil suit.

But Humana's SEC disclosure offers fresh details into the wide scope of the Justice review, indicating it is taking aim at a range of common Medicare Advantage billing practices and fraud controls, as well as Humana's use of home health assessments of patients in its plans. The industry argues these "house calls" improve the health of elderly patients, but federal officials have been concerned that the primary objective is to raise risk scores and revenues.


Copyright 2014 The Center for Public Integrity. This story was published by The Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit, nonpartisan investigative news organization in Washington, D.C.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 6:58 PM

P.S. That site is COPYRIGHTED!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 6:55 PM

Not giving credit where credit is due is considered plagiarism.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 6:50 PM



-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 6:26 PM

Who compiled this list????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 6:07 PM

Like many Americans, I've been wary of labor unions.

Full-time union stagehands at Carnegie Hall earning more than $400,000 a year? A union hailing its defense of a New York teacher who smelled of alcohol and passed out in class, with even the principal unable to rouse her? A police union in New York City that has a tantrum and goes on virtual strike?

More broadly, I disdained unions as bringing corruption, nepotism and rigid work rules to the labor market, impeding the economic growth that ultimately makes a country strong.

I was wrong.

The abuses are real. But, as unions wane in American life, it's also increasingly clear that they were doing a lot of good in sustaining middle class life -- especially the private-sector unions that are now dwindling.

Most studies suggest that about one-fifth of the increase in economic inequality in America among men in recent decades is the result of the decline in unions. It may be more: A study in the American Sociological Review, using the broadest methodology, estimates that the decline of unions may account for one-third of the rise of inequality among men.

"To understand the rising inequality, you have to understand the devastation in the labor movement," says Jake Rosenfeld, a labor expert at the University of Washington and the author of "What Unions No Longer Do."

Take construction workers. A full-time construction worker earns about $10,000 less per year now than in 1973, in today's dollars, according to Rosenfeld. One reason is probably that the proportion who are unionized has fallen in that period from more than 40 percent to just 14 percent.

"All the focus on labor's flaws can distract us from the bigger picture," Rosenfeld writes. "For generations now the labor movement has stood as the most prominent and effective voice for economic justice."

I'm as appalled as anyone by silly work rules and $400,000 stagehands, or teachers' unions shielding the incompetent. But unions also lobby for programs like universal prekindergarten that help create broad-based prosperity. They are pushing for a higher national minimum wage, even though that would directly benefit mostly nonunionized workers.

I've also changed my mind because, in recent years, the worst abuses by far haven't been in the union shop but in the corporate suite. One of the things you learn as a journalist is that when there's no accountability, we humans are capable of tremendous avarice and venality. That's true of union bosses -- and of corporate tycoons. Unions, even flawed ones, can provide checks and balances for flawed corporations.

Many Americans think unions drag down the economy over all, but scholars disagree. American auto unions are often mentioned, but Germany's car workers have a strong union, and so do Toyota's in Japan and Kia's in South Korea.

In Germany, the average autoworker earns about $67 per hour in salary and benefits, compared with $34 in the United States. Yet Germany's car companies in 2010 produced more than twice as many vehicles as American companies did, and they were highly profitable. It's too glib to say that the problem in the American sector was just unions.

Or look at American history. The peak years for unions were the 1940s and '50s, which were also some of the fastest-growing years for the United States ever -- and with broadly shared prosperity. Historically, the periods when union membership were highest were those when inequality was least.

Richard B. Freeman, a Harvard labor expert, notes that unions sometimes bring important benefits to industry: They can improve morale, reduce turnover and provide a channel to suggest productivity improvements.

Experts disagree about how this all balances out, but it's clear that it's not a major drag. "If you're looking for big negatives, everybody knows they don't exist," Professor Freeman said.

Joseph Stiglitz notes in his book "The Price of Inequality" that when unions were strong in America, productivity and real hourly compensation moved together in manufacturing. But after 1980 (and especially after 2000) the link seemed to break and real wages stagnated.

It may be that as unions weakened, executives sometimes grabbed the gains from productivity. Perhaps that helps explain why chief executives at big companies earned, on average, 20 times as much as the typical worker in 1965, and 296 times as much in 2013, according to the Economic Policy Institute.

Lawrence F. Katz, a Harvard labor economist, raises concerns about some aspects of public-sector unions, but he says that in the private sector (where only 7 percent of workers are now unionized): "I think we've gone too far in de-unionization."

He's right. This isn't something you often hear a columnist say, but I'll say it again: I was wrong. At least in the private sector, we should strengthen unions, not try to eviscerate them.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 6:05 PM

Last week I was out of town, and missed some postings and news. Today I saw an Andy Borowitz article called "Republican Voters Responding to Walker's Opposition to Knowledge".

"LONDON (The Borowitz Report)--Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is steadily rising to the top of the 2016 Republican Presidential field because voters are connecting with his "strong and consistent opposition to knowledge," an aide to Walker said on Thursday.

While Republican candidates of the past, such as Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann, have capitalized on G.O.P. voters' hostility toward verifiable facts, the aide said, "Compared to Scott, those two look like rookies."

Walker has burnished his anti-knowledge credentials in Wisconsin by proposing a three-hundred-million-dollar cut in the University of Wisconsin's funding and by deleting the phrase "the search for truth" from the values outlined in the university's mission statement.

"That truth thing was a masterstroke," the aide said. "Our polling shows that voters who oppose knowledge also have negative feelings about truth."

But Walker's longstanding opposition to knowledge may have faced its toughest test during a visit to London, on Wednesday, when an interviewer asked him if he believed in evolution and he refused to answer. "He tried to trick Governor Walker into admitting that he knew something, and Scott didn't take the bait," the aide said. "I was watching him do that and I was like, 'Nailed it.' "

Moments like that, the aide said, show why Walker will win the White House in 2016. "The American people are sick and tired of a President who knows things," he said. "They're ready for Scott."

This was a very entertaining, IMO, satire.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 5:13 PM

Speaking of Huffington. The following comes from an opinion piece entitled "6 Jokes We Should Retire Before The 2016 GOP Primaries Get Going".

1. "Chris Christie is fat."

The author says that we should stop laughing about that and instead discuss his many other failings.

2. "Calling Bobby Jindal "Piyush.""

Republicans do love their name calling, for example, calling Obama "Barry" but we don't need to sink to their level.

3. "Going birther on Ted Cruz."

We should not do this because it is racism, and the article points out that we know that it is racism because Obama was actually born in the United States and McCain was born in Panama but nobody cared where McCain was born.

4. "Calling Ben Carson "this year's Herman Cain.""

That's another use of tokenism and just because the Republican do it to make them try to seem that they are in favor of diversity, Democrats don't need to participate in that.

5. "Marco Rubio is thirsty."

It was funny after it happened but it's time to move on.

6. "Scott Walker didn't go to college."

It seems to be elitist to joke about that when we should be worrying about the fact that he doesn't want our children to go to college either.

The article goes on to mention a joke that Republicans are making and he hopes that they keep it up.

"Hillary is old!

"Get it? She's lived a long life, much of it in public service! She's almost as old as Mitt Romney! She's only slightly younger than John McCain and Ronald Reagan were when they first became their party's nominees! She's old enough to be an average Fox News viewer! Old! Age is such a serious issue for Republicans that three of their last six nominees for president were older than Mrs. Clinton will be in 2016. But given that Republicans' political power relies almost entirely on senior citizens, it would be terrible if they alienated the most important voting bloc in America with jokes that suggest chauvinistic disdain for a new grandmother in her sixties."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 12:24 PM

Can't argue with facts Mike, regardless the sources.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 11:10 AM

Interesting commentary T.O.P. I especially like the title "We Hold These Truths to Be Inconvenient".

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 10:05 AM

Among the most sacred rights enumerated in the U.S. Constitution is the ownership and control of private property. It's not quite as sacred as our God-given right to cruise Main Street with military-style automatic weapons, of course, but still pretty sacred.

The Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank founded by Charles Koch and funded by his sons, David and Charles, publishes a Handbook for Policymakers. The Cato handbook calls property rights, "the foundation of every right we have, including the right to be free," and points out that "John Locke, the philosophical father of the American Revolution and the inspiration for Thomas Jefferson when he drafted the Declaration of Independence, stated the issue simply: 'Lives, Liberties, and Estates, which I call by the general Name, Property."

"And James Madison, the principal author of the Constitution, echoed those thoughts when he wrote that ''as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights."

These statements of bedrock conservative principle make it a tad contradictory for Congressional Republicans to continue their nearly-manic support for extending the Keystone XL Pipeline through parts of rural Nebraska, which requires a trampling of private property rights. What's even more incongruous is that the property rights "trampler" being cheered on by Republicans is a foreign corporation. TransCanada has been using the powers of eminent domain to force the sale of land, much of it productive American farmland, from American owners who don't want to sell, to build its Canadian pipeline.

How can a foreign corporation use the eminent domain process to take property in America from Americans? Good question. It's because they have good lawyers -- and lots of them. Their lawyers have been able to convince a number of courts that the "taking" is for a public purpose. That's how private property can be taken -- to build highways, schools, public buildings; things that benefit the public -- and then the landowner is paid a fair market price set by the court. In this case, though, the public purpose is for private gain: to allow the TransCanada corporation and its investors to make more money by transporting crude oil, primarily from Tar Sands deposits in Alberta, to petroleum refineries in Texas and Louisiana.

Trying to evade obvious questions about their support for taking private property from owners to allow its use by other private interests, Republicans have cited the overwhelming public bonanza of job creation -- nearly 4,000 over two years of pipeline construction, and as many as 35 to 50 permanent positions, according to the U.S. Department of State's analysis.

They've also cited its impressive projected economic impact, although the impact is mitigated somewhat by the fact that the refineries that will process the tar sands oil have existed for many years, as do the vast bulk of the refinery jobs.

Next were claims about the North American energy independence that will result from the infusion of Canadian oil into U.S. reserves-- except the oil is already slated to be sold on the world market.

In fact, there are two fundamental reasons for Republicans supporting the use of eminent domain to take private property for private sector profit:

* Absolute and slavish fealty to the oil and petrochemical industry that pumps so many millions of dollars into Republican campaigns coffers; and

* The party's visceral hatred for President Barack Obama and anything he favors.

It's not the first time we've seen such flexibility on inviolate and deeply-held principles.

Remember that the original blueprint for the Affordable Care Act came from the conservative American Enterprise Institute. Many of the same leading Republicans who now fulminate about the evils of Obamacare and deem it socialist and horribly intrusive used to support its approach until it was supported by Barack Obama.

The Congressional Republicans' willingness to turn their backs on the "sanctity" of private property rights demonstrates a lack of genuine belief in anything beyond "feed the kitty." It seems like this presents Congressional Democrats with a huge opportunity to make a convincing case that the Keystone XL pipeline is hardly the answer to full employment or energy independence dreams, and that Republicans' strident support is based simply on helping corporations that help them.

You'd think Democrats would be on this like a chicken on a June bug. You'd think.


Dave Helfert

Professor of Political Communication, Johns Hopkins University

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 19, 2015, at 7:32 AM

CoolBreeze maybe you should TRY reading the article I linked to. Stephen Moore tells his story and then facts are brought out to show that Stephen Moore has no facts that support his claims.

My information is for those that will read things and logically discuss them. Keep your head buried in the sand. We will enjoy the quiet.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 8:00 PM

Sara in regards to another Republican investigation and "Benghazi on" I did a search. It turns out that the Republicans in the House, under Issa's replacement, Trey Gowdy, are yet again investigating Benghazi.

The Republicans are interviewing witnesses and not allowing Democrats to attend. When the Republicans can't find dirt, or in other words find that a Republican conspiracy theory is refuted, they then say it was not a worthwhile witness.

The Democrats are calling this a cover-up. I guess you would call this a Benghazi Witch-Hunt Coverup.

According to the article "This bitter and partisan back-and-forth suggests that this committee could go the full Issa."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 7:56 PM

On another topic, Stephen Moore is paid by the Heritage Foundation, a well known conservative organization that manufactures facts to make their conservative points. In this case he is paid to make it look like ObamaCare isn't working. The problem is that he has been unable to come up with a single fact that is true.

One of his claims is that Obamacare does not reduce the deficit. However according to the article linked to below "the federal government is now projected to spend less on health care than it was projected to spend before Obamacare was passed." How does this cost saving not reduce the deficit unless some idiot thinks that Obamacare is not only supposed to reduce medical costs that the government pays, but also pay for the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It looks to me like some conservatives should have paid more attention to math and logic when they were in school.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 7:40 PM

Benghazi on Cowboy.....let freedom ring........what a twit!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM

We get it now; the Republicans are:

For tolerance as long as it's something they can tolerate.

For equality as long as it fits in their small-box definition of the word equality.

For freedom as long as they approve of people wanting freedom.

For following the US Constitution only if it means guns for all; everywhere, anywhere, here, there.

For education unless it means spending money.

For health care unless it's for someone else.

For religious freedom unless it's for a religion they don't like.

For fiscal responsibility unless it's for a golfball course.

Benghazi on Cowboys; there's a new congressional investigation starting soon. Let freedom ring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 8:08 AM

The state has created a mess, and now tells the school districts to apply for federal taxpayer money!

BOISE -- Idaho budget writers have approved a nearly $3.6 million stopgap measure to maintain broadband access in public high schools for at least another four months, acknowledging that questions are still swirling around the troubled program's long-term fate. The Joint Finance-Appropriations budget committee voted Tuesday to provide funding to Idaho's Superintendent of Public Instruction's office to reimburse schools for procuring their own broadband service throughout fiscal year 2015. It'll be up to Sherri Ybarra's office to reimburse school districts for the broadband service they procure for the rest of the school year. Ybarra's office will have to file monthly reports with Gov. Butch Otter's office and legislative leadership, according to Idaho Education News. The vote marked a significant transition in who will oversee the state's broadband program in the near future and how it will be implemented. Previously, the statewide broadband program was housed inside the Department of Administration. However, a Feb. 11 court decision reaffirmed a prior ruling that the department violated Idaho's procurement laws while finalizing the $60 million contract. "It was a matter of confidence. ... The decision really settled on who could best help school districts," said Sen. Dean Cameron, R-Rupert, who co-chairs the state's budget committee. "But I wouldn't read too much into it for how it works in the long-term." The ruling has left lawmakers and education officials scrambling to find a way to maintain broadband access in Idaho schools. However, attempts to salvage a statewide program over the past few months have been blocked because state law prohibits spending taxpayer dollars on voided contracts. Further adding to the broadband mess is the ultimatum presented by the broadband vendors. Unless they get paid for the past few months of service, CenturyLink and Education Networks of America say they will shut off service on Sunday. After Tuesday's decision, lawmakers agreed that it would be up to local school districts to negotiate their own broadband services and be reimbursed later for at least until the end of fiscal year 2016. The money approved Tuesday will not be used to pay the vendors, said Paul Headlee, with the state's independent Legislative Services Office. According to Idaho Education News, there's nothing precluding districts from cutting short-term deals with Education Networks of America and CenturyLink, the contractors on the Idaho Education Network project. ENA CEO David Pierce promptly fired off a letter to district officials, soliciting a share of the business. "ENA is willing to continue service in a direct relationship with school districts and is working as quickly as possible with CenturyLink to determine if that will be possible," he said. According to Idaho Education News, the Education Department has been urging districts to prepare to go it alone. Some districts already purchase broadband or supplemental high-speed service on their own, anyway. School districts are encouraged to pursue two contracts: an emergency, short-term contract for the rest of this school year, and a separate one-year or month-to-month contract for 2015-16. Districts are also encouraged to apply for federally administered "e-Rate" dollars by Feb. 26, according to Idaho Education News. Cameron added that Tuesday's decision only applies to the end of the fiscal year. The committee will address a funding solution for the following fiscal year later during the legislative session -- known as a bridge contract before the state finalizes a long-term permanent program. "This is a clean slate in moving forward," said Rep. Maxine Bell, R-Jerome. The program, known as the Idaho Education Network, or IEN, provides broadband access to more than 200 Idaho public high schools. It has set up schools with video teleconference equipment, which allows teachers to offer classes to students across the state and increase the amount of dual-credit classes students can take to help prepare for college

Read more at: http://www.idahopress.com/news/local/ida...

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-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 5:29 AM

I've lived in 4 different states so far. The one thing that I have seen in common over these many years is when there is a labor shortage two things happen. 1st, wages go up. 2nd, employers grouse about having to pay these wages interfere with their plans to buy _____, you can fill in the blank, be it another new car, motorhome, boat, vacation home.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 5:17 AM

We obviously have had very different experiences in our dealings with employers.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 5:28 PM

Another assumption CB, never been a union member!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 10:02 AM

Your points are nothing more than a regurgitation of the same talking points. Workers should be grateful for what ever their employers graciously decide to pay them while they see their standard of living eroded and the wealth that their labor produces becomes more and more concentrated in the hands of a few, a position that lacks empathy and morality.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 8:45 AM

" I already know that you and Mike follow the philosophy of workers are nothing less than a means to an end, to be used, abused, and then discarded when no longer useful."

Acknowledge or refute CB

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 7:54 AM

So, multiple pensions, both government I would guess, military health care I bet. Working for the government is about the only place left in this country where you can get a defined benefit pension anymore, or a health plan that doesn't have ridiculous deductibles.

I also notice Mike doesn't refute my allegation " I already know that you and Mike follow the philosophy of workers are nothing less than a means to an end, to be used, abused, and then discarded when no longer useful." That would seem to tell me that their children have some kind of cushy corporate job or are in the military, either way, not out there with the everyday Joe, struggling to get by, with health insurance that will bankrupt him if he uses it.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 6:07 AM

Well this is new. As well as the oft told story of your participation, Mike, in a battle in Vietnam are you now claiming that you bled over there?

I have a neighbor that was in Vietnam and thanks to Agent Orange, he has lung cancer and has less than a year to live. This guy served for a few years and then had a civilian job. He also has PTSD. He flies his U.S. flag at appropriate times but never brags about his service or tries to use his service to give him an edge in a political discussion.

He is on oxygen, we know because we brought over lasagna Sunday night for him and he was all hooked up to an oxygen tank. He is a hero.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 9:26 PM

Something tells me Mike is a double dipper!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 7:10 PM

Skin in the GAME that is.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 6:50 PM

Mike has "skin in the gain". He wants to keep the price of a Big Mac down, so that his pension will go a lot further. Never mind the workers trying to make a living wage.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 6:49 PM

My "skin" is my children and grandchildrens future and being able to achieve a reasonable standard of living.

I already know that you and Mike follow the philosophy of workers are nothing less than a means to an end, to be used, abused, and then discarded when no longer useful.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 4:23 PM

On the potential Republican candidates for President, Jeb Bush has royally decided that he will not discuss his brother's failures (not his words) but will only talk about what he wants to do in the future. Hmmm, it seems like a pretty smart person said something about those not remembering the past are condemned to repeat it.

An excerpt from an article that I read is below.

"Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) has no interest in "re-litigating" the costly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which began under his brother's administration.

"I won't talk about the past," Bush said at a Friday press conference when asked how he would have handled the conflicts differently, according to The Washington Post. "I'll talk about the future. If I'm in the process of considering the possibility of running, it's not about re-litigating anything in the past. It's about trying to create a set of ideas and principles that will help us move forward."

The governor, who is almost certain to jump into the 2016 race, said that instead he would focus on a positive vision for the country that revolved around the future. He will elaborate on that vision when he delivers what his aides are describing as a major foreign policy address in Chicago next week."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 11:24 AM

And it's the workers who provide the labor to create those profits. I'm not going to argue about unskilled labor, or Obama. If there is a complete port shutdown, there will surely be a federally ordered cooling off period of 90 days and mediation because of the effect on the economy. This will be ordered by the President as has been done many times in the past. My preference would be court ordered arbitration which is what the PMA fears the most since it would then have to open it's books to prove it couldn't afford what the union wants without risking bankruptcy.

I'm willing to bet you would be singing a different tune if you were out there in the labor force trying to provide for your family. It's very easy to sit there in the safety of your guaranteed retirement benefits and defend corporate profits over people trying to survive. You have no skin in the fight.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 9:22 AM

Let me ask you this Mike, why is it ok for employers to band together as associations but not workers???

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 6:12 AM

Never said put a yutz in charge. My wording may not have been the best, but I'll bet you know what I meant. Put an untrained person in the cab of one of those cranes and try to unload those containers of a freighter would almost certainly result in death and destruction below. How's that. Better?????

What Reagan did was legal since the controllers had signed a no-strike clause upon employment. The question remains was it ethical? When a group of professionals band together and demand better wages and working conditions and the other side refuses to negotiate in good faith or refuses to negotiate at all, which was the case with PATCO, then the only way to get negotiations moving again is a work slowdown or stoppage. Had PATCO continued it's strategy of strictly enforcing the safety rules concerning distance between planes, then there was nothing Reagan could have done without the backing of congress. The private sector doesn't have no-strike clauses in their employment contracts.

Now if PMA wants to claim poverty, then let them open all their books for public scrutiny. Seems fair enough.

Your strategy might work for Walmart or McDonalds, or other unskilled, low skill type jobs, but not with highly skilled trades work.

Let the PMA open all it's books and prove why they can't afford what the workers want. That would be the fair thing to do.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 5:58 AM

Mike, do you even have a clue how long it takes to learn how to run those cranes?

What happens when you put some yutz up there with the people below putting their lives in your hands?

Tell you what, let's put some of those yutz's up in the crane and you can stand below if you think just anybody can do the job!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Feb 15, 2015, at 7:16 PM

It seems that the attitude of you'll work for what I'm willing to pay you and like it is not only backfiring, but has a good chance of impacting the economy as well. You can't just turn loose 20,000 minimum wage workers on the docks and expect any good outcome. This why the right hates collective bargaining so much. Let's see the well paid executives of the PMA go out and unload those container ships. Not gonna happen.

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Growing numbers of freighters were backed up around the United States' two busiest cargo hubs on Sunday due to a dispute between shipping companies and dock workers that has led to a partial shutdown of ports along the West Coast.

With cargo delays rippling through the U.S. economy, President Barack Obama on Saturday dispatched U.S. Labor Secretary Tom Perez to California to help broker an agreement.

By Sunday morning, 34 container ships, tankers and other cargo vessels were waiting to dock at the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, California, up from 32 on Saturday, said Lee Peterson, a spokesman for the port of Long Beach.

Cargo ships waiting at anchor and unable to load their goods were visible from highways and beaches for miles along the coast, an unusual spectacle, he said.

Those delays have slowed deliveries of a wide range of goods, from agricultural produce to house wares and apparel, leading retailers to pressure Obama to intervene to resolve the dispute.

The Obama administration's move to send Perez came after shippers vowed to prevent the loading and unloading of freight through Monday from container ships at the 29 ports, barring a settlement in talks with the dock workers' union.

The shipping companies said they were unwilling to pay union workers higher wages for weekend shifts and the Presidents' Day holiday on Monday while productivity declines and cargo backups reach the point of near gridlock, after months of chronic congestion in freight traffic.

The Department of Labor is working on Perez's schedule, spokeswoman Xochitl Hinojosa said on Sunday.

"The secretary will meet with the parties to urge them to resolve their dispute quickly at the bargaining table," she said.

On Friday, negotiators for the union representing 20,000 dock workers at the ports and management's bargaining agent, the Pacific Maritime Association, agreed to a federal mediator's request for a 48-hour news blackout. The two sides held a bargaining session on Thursday that marked their first face-to-face meeting in nearly a week.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Feb 15, 2015, at 1:26 PM

I meant critical thinking.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 14, 2015, at 7:48 PM

"The state-led effort to develop the Common Core State Standards was launched in 2009 by state leaders, including governors and state commissioners of education from 48 states, two territories and the District of Columbia, through their membership in the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices (NGA Center) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). State school chiefs and governors recognized the value of consistent, real-world learning goals and launched this effort to ensure all students, regardless of where they live, are graduating high school prepared for college, career, and life."

Where does it even mention the feds?????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 14, 2015, at 7:36 PM

Mike, do you even read anything I post or the links?

The Governors and educators from across the nation came up with common core, NOT the feds.

As I understand them, they reward creative and independent thinking as opposed to rote behavior. Of course maybe that is the problem that some people have with it. Students thinking for themselves and asking questions, rather than sitting quietly and being good little robots and parrots.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 14, 2015, at 7:33 PM

The reason Common Core was devised by the governors and educational professionals was so that every student in every state was tested with the same test standards, thus eliminating the apples vs oranges problems when each state has it's own test standards. This is very common in other countries.

It would go along way towards settling the debate about $$$ vs performance in the classroom and test scores.

In far too many instances, students in community colleges spend the 1st year doing remedial studies because they aren't prepared for college level courses, and that is just wrong on every front!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 14, 2015, at 6:03 PM

You know what? I'm wrong. It's 50th


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 14, 2015, at 5:49 PM

Yeah, but 'the old progressive', beware of the stats you're getting. Having done a lot of traveling every year in this country, and dealing with all generations of folks, to include our youngest, I can say with certainty that saying Idaho is 48th is not the whole story, nor do I believe it to be a accurate assessment when I compare some of our locals kids to kids from other states I frequent. I'm no Hawking so I can't rebuff the stats based on my own personal study. I just know it by dealing with them or hearing about their lives and education stories. Likewise, it was like when we heard where the USA fell in relation to the world in regards to education. What was it? Like 17th or something like that? (too lazy for google at this second) They said China beat us. Ehhh...I dunno about that. Because we have truancy laws in the USA, probably better than 90% of our 16+ year-olds go to school, and I'm including the drop-out. If anybody thinks 90% of China's 16+ year-olds go to school, they're crazy, nor do they have strictly enforced truency laws; the actual total 16+ year-olds is most likely an unknown. So right there the stats start getting skewed. For those kids that do go to school in China, you can bet that if they received anything less than [comparatively] an A-avg, something better left discussed in a different forum would be happening at home...there's no child protection services in China when it comes to significant corporeal punishment. So all I'm saying is, be critical of the stats, regardless of the source...be it FOXN, the Fed, CNN, or Harvard. And just because they all may report the same number, doesn't mean journalism hasn't reached an all-time high of laziness. And Common Core is an add to No-Child-Left-Behind which it too I wasn't a fan of. To be honest/frank (and porbably a little blunt) not every kid is a rock star and not every kid is meant to operate on a level playing field. Take a look at the Brit education system (Mike is going to throw a brick at me...lol) but there's tons of post-16 year-old vocational training when academics aren't the right path. ((And you can bet on the world average, the UK didn't report thier vocational stats either...more skewed numbers))

-- Posted by Darksc8p on Sat, Feb 14, 2015, at 5:16 PM

Mike, you should really learn to research a subject without relying on Fox talking heads. Read and hopefully learn something.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 14, 2015, at 7:54 AM

BOISE -- The Senate Education Committee voted to introduce a bill Thursday that would remove Idaho from the Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium, which administers the test aligned to national Common Core standards. Rep. Ronald Nate, R-Rexburg, presented the bill. He said he was prompted to introduce it because of what he has heard from constituents. "If you're like me, you've no doubt received emails from hundreds of Idahoans who feel Idaho should remove itself from the SBAC," Nate told the committee. He went on to say the test is "cumbersome" and difficult for districts with limited space and infrastructure. It puts too much pressure on teachers and students, he said. Nate also said it is a costly test, with a price tag of about $5.2 million statewide. The Madison School District in Rexburg has experimented with the Measures of Academic Progress test, and said it costs half as much and can be administered in one-third of the time. Nate said the bill is not about Common Core -- that people on both sides of the debate over the quality of the standards have issues with the SBAC. He added that districts could still use the test if they chose, it would just be up to the local school board to decide. "Instead districts may choose to go with a cheaper, less demanding alternative," Nate said. "Or they may choose no test at all." The test is attached to a large number of federal requirements and funding, which Nate also addressed at the committee meeting. Superintendent of Public Instruction Sherri Ybarra told Idaho Education News late last month that the state is locked into testing this spring, but there would still be ramifications if Idaho backed out after that. Nate said the penalty would be about $621,000, but the state would see a net gain in costs by getting rid of it. Rep. Ryan Kerby, R-New Plymouth, has been superintendent of the New Plymouth School District for the past 21 years and sits on the House Education Committee. While he isn't necessarily opposed to moving away from the SBAC in the future, he said the approach needs to be slow and not reactionary. Teachers and administrators have been preparing for the test for the past three years, he said, and the state doesn't have data back yet on the test. "You don't just jerk the rug out from all the hard work that's been going on," Kerby said. "... Educators are always saying, 'Hey, every time the wind blows, we change what we're doing.'" He added the test doesn't cost any more money to administer than the previous Idaho Standards Achievement Test, and it would be problematic to have school districts across the state each using different tests or not testing at all. "If everybody can just select their own test, accountability is basically gone," he said. "... You have a very interesting marriage here between people who don't want accountability in the state of Idaho and those who don't want the federal government involved in testing." If the state does switch, Kerby said, it should be to a test that is equal in quality to the SBAC -- with the same level of critical thinking skills necessary and a writing component. With all that, though, he said it's important to listen and he's glad the conversation is happening. "We absolutely need to listen to every group," he said. "I have no problem with this hearing." Only Sen. Jim Patrick, R-Twin Falls, voted against introduction of the bill.

Read more at: http://www.idahopress.com/members/commit...

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I wonder if those in charge at the statehouse are afraid of everyone both instate and nationally finding out if there really is a relationship between dollars spent and the quality of education nationwide. Let's see if being 48th in education spending equates to lower test scores when measured against all the other states.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 14, 2015, at 6:03 AM

You can find the most interesting articles on the net if you stray outside of your regular sites. I found this one, and wonder why it never makes the big national sites. Embarrassment maybe?


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 14, 2015, at 5:35 AM

"and WHERE in our Constitution does it say the government needs to fund everyone else on this planet & give THEM military support, and spill OUR blood for THEM?"

This a point we agree on Mike!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 12, 2015, at 3:39 PM

The F-35 program started long before Obama was elected. You should really look for facts, it only takes a minute or so.

Better to spend 400 BILLION on the citizens of America, than line the pockets of corporate america who could give a whit about the everyday citizen, that's why.

I don't know if you're on Social Security, but I am, and at this point I am fearful they will come after my check to support even more corporate welfare.

We are supposed to be the greatest country on earth, but we have vets living on the streets. They don't deserve a home of their own? All the people who lost their jobs in the name of more profits from shipping those jobs offshore, don't they deserve a home? What did they do that was so wrong that they deserve to live on the streets? The clowns on wall street, what have they done to not deserve going to jail for their misdeeds that tanked the economy?

P.S. Obama isn't my president any more than he is yours. He is the President because a majority of those who chose to vote, voted for him. Twice! The first president since Eisenhower to be elected twice with a majority rather than a plurality. I'm sure that is a fact that sticks in the craw of every right-winger in this country.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 12, 2015, at 3:37 PM

OP the 400 billion is coming from your president writing another check. Your post sounds like you are good with spending 400 billion we don't have, as long as its not for the military.

Why does the government need to provide housing for the homeless?

Why does the government need to build new hospitals?

Why does the government need to feed and clothe the hunger?

-- Posted by always right on Thu, Feb 12, 2015, at 2:46 PM

And just where are we getting 400 BILLION to blow on the F35????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 12, 2015, at 8:40 AM

My point???

"... Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. ... Is there no other way the world may live?"

400 BILLION and counting for the F35, and that doesn't even count the cost of a new fleet of specialized fuel trucks, since the old ones can't meet the needs of this boondoggle. Can you even comprehend what that kind of money could do for our own citizens?

If and when this plane ever becomes functional and is sold to other countries, does the government get a cut since we footed the bill for it's development?

This is corporate welfare at it's worst!

400 BILLION could buy outright a new home for every homeless person in this country!

400 BILLION would fund the most ambitious infrastructure program since the inception of the interstate highway program. Programs that would allow the private sector to employ millions and give the economy a shot in the arm it desperately needs. Good paying construction jobs which would allow those workers discretionary income to spend which would fuel consumption, increase demand, and as a result create even more jobs.

Don't like that idea? How about 400 BILLION to fund research and find cures for many lethal diseases, thereby protecting our citizens?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 12, 2015, at 7:19 AM

Snap history quiz! Who authored the following?

"A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together. ..."

"... Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. ... Is there no other way the world may live?"

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 11, 2015, at 4:55 PM

CB, unlike you, I prefer to read the whole statement, not just the part plucked out by someone else to justify their point of view in an op-ed piece!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 11, 2015, at 1:49 PM

Speaking of IBD, I know many deride wikipedia, but follow the references.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 11, 2015, at 10:31 AM

Your link is nothing more than an editorial, which is nothing more than an opinion.

Here are the rest of her comments.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 11, 2015, at 10:24 AM

I may have missed links previously posted to this report. If I did, I apologize for cluttering up the thread.

The Budget and Economic Outlook 2015 to 2025


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Feb 10, 2015, at 12:17 PM

Recently published CBO Report on Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.

"From 2006 through 2013, about 1.7 million families received cash assistance through TANF in an average month. Most of those families had very low income. In 2012, only about 25 percent had any cash income from a source other than TANF, and that income was about $600 per month, on average--about 45 percent of the poverty threshold for a family of two. Most of the income came from employment." (Page 4)


Can anyone provide a CBO reference re: the costs of the "Obama Phone" program? I can't find one.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Feb 10, 2015, at 12:00 PM

I would like to comment on two posts.

The first is Old progressives post about the 35% tax rate paid by big corporations. Instead of focusing on how much the corporations pay in tax, focus on the amount of tax paid by the employees of those corporations. And the jobs those corporations contribute to the economy. Stop whining about big corporations making profits, and not paying taxes.

The second one is a post by Dave about the economy. Dave the post is good, but unrealistic. As long as the government is dishing out free stuff. Obamacare, food stamps, free housing, cell phones, etc.. There is no incentive for everyone to do their share. The ones that do their share will prosper, the ones that don't will complain about the ones that do.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Feb 10, 2015, at 9:45 AM

Real stories from right wing sites?? Give me a break. Numbers are numbers. The 35% tax rate is a big lie! My link reveals what some of the largest companies in America are really paying!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Feb 10, 2015, at 8:51 AM

For those who love to repeat right wing talking points without doing any research.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Feb 10, 2015, at 7:30 AM

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 - A legal timeline.


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Feb 10, 2015, at 5:12 AM

Stop posting a UK right wing article as your flimsy proof of anything. We laugh hilariously over those.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 10, 2015, at 1:28 AM

Much as you hope and hope that we don't have a good year, Mike, for the U.S. economy it has been a good year and is having a good start of the new year with the January reports.

This is what the Wall Street Journal reported from multiple sources.

"The report earned a 10 out of 10 in our eyes and suggests that labor markets remain extremely strong as fears of an early-year slowdown prove unfounded....For markets, the strong report served as confirmation that rate hikes later this year remain in play. In fact, the odds of a July hike rocketed to 47% (from just 32%) as September hike odds surged to 62% from a much more uncertain 48% prior to the data." --Gennadiy Goldberg, TD Securities

"Employment growth is astonishingly strong; it will have consequences for the Fed....Ignore the increase in the unemployment rate; month-to-month, it is just noise. What matters is payroll growth, and the numbers are huge.... With every indicator we follow screaming that payrolls will be very strong for the foreseeable future, wage pressures will intensify. We expect Chairwoman [Janet] Yellen to signal a change in the Fed's view at her monetary policy testimony later this month, with 'patient' dropped at the March FOMC, opening the door to a June hike." --Ian Shepherdson, Pantheon Macroeconomics

"Despite a virtual 100 mph headwind, payrolls still managed to get off the runway. That's the theme for January's employment report, for which the U.S. economy overcame not just falling energy prices, but a stronger dollar, and postholiday hiring liquidations to post yet another strong month of job gains. The three-month rolling pace of job gains reached 336,000, which is the strongest performance of that metric since 1997, when workforce population growth was fully 1% higher than it is today. Before long, the U.S. economy is going to run into a problem that was unimaginable just six months ago: we might run out of people to employ." --Guy LeBas, Janney Montgomery Scott

"Inflation certainly remains sedate, but the strength of job creation in recent months seems likely to keep the Fed on the path toward tightening this year. All things considered, the jobs market kicked off 2015 on a strong note, consistent with an economy that continues to perform well. While a range of data suggests that the pace of growth may be edging lower, the employment picture remains consistent with an economy that is expanding at a solid pace." --Jim Baird, Plante Moran Financial Advisors

"Although unemployment edged up this month, the trend is clearly still down with the trend in employment growth now well over 200,000 per month. And while there is no clear uptrend yet in the volatile hourly earnings series, even 2.2% year-over-year is up slightly from what has been about a 2.0% trend. Moreover, arguably, the unemployment rate is just now approaching the [nonaccelerating inflation rate of unemployment] NAIRU zone, with the trend in unemployment probably down by around 0.1 point per month. We expect more acceleration in wages in the year ahead." --Jim O'Sullian, High Frequency Economics

"January was another strong month across a breadth of industries confirming that our economic recovery is becoming robust. Job growth is strong and the labor force participation rate ticked up slightly, indicating that people who have given up looking for work are beginning to start looking again. But if we are going to get anywhere close to full employment, wages will need to rise much faster." --Bill Spriggs, AFL-CIO

"Young-adult employment rose yet again. Employment among 25- to 34-year-olds, the prime age group for housing demand, was at 76.6% in January--up from 75.8% one year ago, and the highest level since the end of 2008. It's now halfway back to normal: before the bubble, their employment-population ratio hovered in the 78-80% range. Having a job matters for housing. Just 12% of employed 25- to 34-year-olds live with their parents, versus 21% of 25- to 34-year-olds without jobs, according to 2014 Census data." --Jed Kolko, Trulia


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 9, 2015, at 7:20 PM

Dave thanks for posting the NASA link. For a naysayer that prefers to believe a right wing newspaper from the United Kingdom for his information rather than scientific organizations, let me just chuckle over that and provide the detail from NASA for those that can think logically.

"Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."


American Association for the Advancement of Science

"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society."

American Chemical Society

"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4

American Geophysical Union

"Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)

American Medical Association

"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant."

American Meteorological Society

"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide."

American Physical Society

"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now."

The Geological Society of America

"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s."


International academies: Joint statement

"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world's climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10

U.S. National Academy of Sciences

"The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)11

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 9, 2015, at 4:34 PM

Not according to wall street!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Feb 9, 2015, at 4:24 PM

"America is poised for another good year -- as long as Washington works to keep this progress going. We have to choose -- will we accept an economy where only a few of us do spectacularly well, or will we build an economy where everyone who works hard can get ahead?

Because while we've come a long way, we've got more work to do to make sure that our recovery reaches more Americans, not just those at the top. That's what middle-class economics is all about -- the idea that this country does best when everyone gets their fair shot, does their fair share, and everyone plays by the same set of rules."


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Mon, Feb 9, 2015, at 10:38 AM


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Mon, Feb 9, 2015, at 10:33 AM

Interesting stuff from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

There is only one official definition of unemployment--people who are jobless, actively seeking work, and available to take a job... The official unemployment rate for the nation is the number of unemployed as a percentage of the labor force (the sum of the employed and unemployed).

Some have argued, however, that these unemployment measures are too restricted, and that they do not adequately capture the breadth of labor market problems. For this reason, economists at BLS developed a set of alternative measures of labor underutilization. These measures, expressed as percentages, are published every month in The Employment Situation news release. They range from a very limited measure that includes only those who have been unemployed for 15 weeks or more to a very broad one that includes total unemployed, all people marginally attached to the labor force, and all individuals employed part time for economic reasons. More information about the alternative measures is available on the BLS website.





-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Mon, Feb 9, 2015, at 9:32 AM

This appears to be more of the usual pretend umbrage by the extreme right commenters about Obama's statement.

"What I think the president was trying to say is, over the course of human history, there are times where extremists pervert their own religion to justify violence." -- Eric Schultz, the deputy White House press secretary

Enough said, IMO.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 9:13 PM

Mike, I know what century that we live in. Maybe you should get your head out of the 18th century and face the fact that many things have progressed: the Constitution, technology, sources of energy, and so on.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 7:06 PM

CB, how much more do I have to explain it? Having to form coalitions forces parties to GOVERN as opposed to RULING, which both parties here try to do.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 4:37 PM

Challenge the content that was posted from history.com.

I understand, just as I understand that the Roman Catholics responsible for the Inquisition(s) were not part of Christianity.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 12:41 PM

Wrong Cool Breeze. The first Crusade was requested by Pope Urban to capture the Holy Land. The jihad occurred AFTER the first crusade to regain the Holy Land by the Muslims.

"The first of the Crusades began in 1095, when armies of Christians from Western Europe responded to Pope Urban II's plea to go to war against Muslim forces in the Holy Land. After the First Crusade achieved its goal with the capture of Jerusalem in 1099, the invading Christians set up several Latin Christian states, even as Muslims in the region vowed to wage holy war (jihad) to regain control over the region. Deteriorating relations between the Crusaders and their Christian allies in the Byzantine Empire culminated in the sack of Constantinople in 1204 during the Third Crusade. Near the end of the 13th century, the rising Mamluk dynasty in Egypt provided the final reckoning for the Crusaders, toppling the coastal stronghold of Acre and driving the European invaders out of Palestine and Syria in 1291."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 11:52 AM

"But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge -- or, worse, sometimes used as a weapon. From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith, their faith, professed to stand up for Islam, but, in fact, are betraying it. We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions."

Looks to me like he stated ISIL (the "IS" stands for "Islamic State") terrorizes.

Fortunately, the Roman Catholic church got the Inquisition out of their system, or we may have been faced with "Christian Terrorists" as much of Europe was during the Inquisition. It would be mistaken to consider all Christians then, complicit in the actions taken by the church through their Inquisition, as it would be to associate all Muslims with terrorism carried out by ISIL, ISIS, etc.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 11:43 AM

Reality, (or, what was truly stated);

"So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities -- the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?

Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ. Michelle and I returned from India -- an incredible, beautiful country, full of magnificent diversity -- but a place where, in past years, religious faiths of all types have, on occasion, been targeted by other peoples of faith, simply due to their heritage and their beliefs -- acts of intolerance that would have shocked Gandhiji, the person who helped to liberate that nation."

One may be expected to assume that the quote, "terrible deeds done under Christianity" was extracted from the remarks the president made at the National Prayer Breakfast. I have provided a link to the transcript of the president's remarks for the convenience of those who appreciate truthfulness.

To this point on the forum there has been no mention of President Obama's reference to the Inquisition, which was the "Christian" work conducted by Catholic churches in their effort to keep Christians Catholic. Their way or the highway (to heaven).


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 9:42 AM

wiki-leaks????? Can't you read?????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 9:33 AM

What YOU fail to realize is that the two major parties govern by coalition, thus sidelining the extremest of both major parties.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 9:32 AM

And yes, I DO realize how large that would make the house!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 9:29 AM

This what this country really needs!


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 9:11 AM



I could continue, but I'm sure you have the ability to do more research if you're so inclined.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 8:51 AM

And how many hold seats in congress????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 8:01 AM

And OP.......the Australian GOVERNMENT was willing to pay for it, but the citizens had no say in the matter..........and since the CONFISCATION of privately-owned firearms down there, the "subjects" will eventually have to raise their hands to use the toilet.

-- Posted by Mike Bradbury on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 8:17 PM

Same tired old response. You really should do some real research about other countries. Australia has elections and multiple parties, not just 1 or 2. Any laws passed there are done with the consent of the majority of the people. They also have mandatory voting so dissatisfied parties can't say "Well we didn't support so and so, so we stayed home." Sound familiar?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 6:01 AM

And that, it seems to them, elevates the value of their opinion. When, in fact, it highlights their pompousness. There is a time to wear something on your sleeve, but ALWAYS, is not that time.

-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 10:25 PM

The fact of the matter is that religion has been invoked in the name of war since war has existed. But, it seems, the high horses definitely have their riders. And some of them just can't get enough of themselves and must continually remind everyone of their "service".

-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 10:20 PM


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 8:24 PM

President Obama hasn't called the Crusaders "Christian Terrorists."

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 7:29 PM

The link below should help explain that, CoolBreeze.

If you don't want to read it, the short answer is that Islamic terrorist gives the impression that terrorism is part of Islams teachings and it isn't. By the same token IMO, someone saying that they are a Christian but who discriminates against people based on their race, sex, gender identity, age, and so on is not really a Christian because he or she doesn't follow the teachings of Christ. That person is just a bigot.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM

Idaho's arrogance starting to impact it's citizens.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 4:53 PM

They afford it because their citizens are willing to pay for it!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 2:29 PM

Healthcare is needed in order to pursue life and happiness. Receiving good healthcare shouldn't hinge on your place on the economic ladder, or should it?????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 1:28 PM

Visiting means the same as any other country. Entering lawfully with the proper documents. This plan emulates the Australian system. If you were to visit that country and got sick or injured, your bill would be ZERO!

Why do you persist in trying to read something into everything that I post? You call me a Democrat, which I'm not. You infer that I don't mind illegal immigration, I don't. You infer that I support Obama, I don't.

Is that clear enough for you?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 1:25 PM

This is what progressives wanted and still want, not Obamacare!!!!!


-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 6:55 AM

CB, why is it so hard for you to admit there are very many on the opposite end of the political spectrum as that dislike Obamacare, but for a different reason????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 5:58 PM

Take a step back boys and girls... just because someone disagrees with YOU does not make it wrong and I can feel the heat arising! If you disagree and it is not your belief then that simply allows room for debate or opposing views BUT it does not warrant the name calling and petty childish comments. You are not going to browbeat them into changing their mind. If this does not pertain to you then I thank you for your reasonable mature participation. If you must engage in name calling take it someplace else. Have a wonderful evening and hug your family or pets. Its good for the heart.

-- Posted by Brenda Fincher Publisher MHNews on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 4:00 PM


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 2:18 PM

CB, what the polls you cite or any other poll that I know of is how many of those who disapprove do so because they don't think the law went far enough and wanted to see a single payer system with drug price negotiations like the V.A.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 12:12 PM

Dave, you provide a great example for the "hard right" bloggers who never let a documented fact get in the way of what they really want to believe is true. You've made your points well and provided supporting documentation. I have a lot of respect for that.

The below comment from Cool Breeze is a misrepresentation of the facts, and expressed in poor grammatical style, I suppose with the intention to insult.

"Yes, Mike...

According to Sam here, Americans loved Obama, Obamacare, and Democrats SO MUCH....they threw a bunch of them out of office in the last election.

Da plane, boss! Da plane!

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 7:26 PM"

Contrary to CoolBreeze's half baked opinion, the 2014 election wasn't a negative about the Democrats and Obama. The polls showed that the voters hated everyone.

According to the article linked to below: "As for the parties as a whole, 56 percent view the GOP unfavorably, while 53 percent say the same of Democrats."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/ex...

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 11:08 AM

I'm not playing games. You threw something out here with what appears to be an intent to deceive.

Now you'd like us to ignore your dishonesty by providing an irrelevant poll in an attempt to validate your continued efforts to deceive.

In your initial post, you claimed "As of today, Feb. 4, 2015, Gallup is reporting 51% of Americans STILL DO NOT APPROVE OF OBAMACARE." That statement was a lie. The link you provided links to a Gallup Poll alright. A Gallup Poll dated Feb. 4, 2014. For the convenience of readers: http://www.gallup.com/poll/167309/majori...

Now you'd like to have readers believe that "Obamacare is still VERY UNPOPULAR with the majority of Americans."

Today, the link you provide to a Rasmussen Report poll provides absolutely no indication of the percentage of people who disapprove of Obamacare; "Voters are more critical of the health care they personally receive but still don't expect it to get better under Obamacare. Most think consumers are better off with less government involvement in the health care marketplace."

No percentages are provided in support of those statements within the link YOU provided to Rasmussen. If the article contained any percentages, one would expect those percentages to indicate a percentage of people who were satisfied with the "health CARE they personally receive.", as in, that personal care delivered to an individual by their health care provider.

Further, and again within the link YOU provided to Rasmussen, the only percentages published are with regard to the percentage of individuals who rated the "health care system". There is no specific mention of Obamacare within that statement.

You may not make any confident assertion that "Obamacare is still VERY UNPOPULAR with the majority of Americans" based on any statistics contained in the link YOU provided to the Rasmussen article.

By the way, thanks for pointing out the Gallup and Rasmussen sites.

This poll appears to suggest that Obamacare had been seriously reconsidered by many individuals between Feb. 4, 2014 and Dec. 1, 2014.


Here's an interesting poll that provides a relevant contrast to the Rasmussen poll you provided the link to, finding that "Nearly eight in 10 U.S. adults rate the quality of healthcare they receive as "excellent" or "good" (79%), a continued sign that Americans are largely content with the services they receive, whatever the cost considerations might be."


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:46 AM

The reason I find it disgusting is because I don't support Obama who is just as much a tool of Wall street as any other politician.

Question is CB, where do YOU stand on the issue?????

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 7:18 AM

This is disgusting, but I'm sure CB can find a way to justify it, can't you CB?


-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 5:52 AM

Sam, I thought you knew that 2008 and 2012 were the result of massive voter fraud (none of which has ever been proven). Also forgotten is that Obama is the first president since Eisenhower to win 51% of the popular vote in back to back elections.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 5:42 AM

..."My way or the highway"

Sounds familiar

-- Posted by MrMister on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 2:53 AM

Mike it is nice that you are citing the 2010 and 2014 elections, but I notice that you leave out the 2008 and 2012 elections where the majority of voters turn out to vote. Could it be that you are hiding some facts?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 1:15 AM

Feb. 4, 2015, huh?

The link YOU provided takes me to a page dated Feb.4, 2014. The chart on the page is dated Feb '14.

Now who's being dishonest?

"A man is entitled to a declaration of legitimacy in the absence of positive evidence of illegitimacy."

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 9:58 PM

I see a "repeal" but no "replace".



Health Reform!


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 8:09 PM

CoolBreeze if you want to try to engage in intelligent debate, start citing some facts and back them up with reputable citations. The fact is that Obamacare is a success with millions of previously uninsured people now insured.

It was also the brain child of various Republicans. It only became unpopular with Republicans because it is the signature law of the Obama administration. Yes, look that up.

For those interested in facts, check out the link below.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 7:14 PM

Much has been said by some people here about Muslims not speaking out against terrorism. I bet this doesn't make Fox News


-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 5:03 PM


-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 4:15 PM

Mike in regards to your wild claims.

1. Obamacare was not pushed through in the dead of night. It was voted on and approve by both houses of Congress and signed by the President.

2. Your statistics are inaccurate on who wanted ObamaCare when the bill was passed and now.

3. Your claims on lost jobs, and other things which is probably why you NEVER site the source of your information.

4. You have no insight into why people were elected in 2014, and since you don't site any documented facts I'm assuming that you are just spouting what you want to believe.

5. What is this "our side" talk? Aren't we all Americans and should be on the same side? I didn't notice too much dead weight being replaced from the Republicans in 2014 although the extreme right wing Tea Party tried to put even more extreme people in.

6. Reid and the exercise bike, is a complete falsification, again, of what you wished had happened.

So folks are we going to go by facts or are we going to see the world as Mike would like to believe it is. I'm going with facts.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 11:11 AM

If the Republicans have a health care plan, it apparently is not published in a bill. Which House Bill or Senate Bill is handling this plan, Cool Breeze? Can't come up with it can you?

That's because they have an idea here and there but haven't really formulated the details and can't agree even amongst each other on what to do.

It is much easier for them to vote to repeal ObamaCare 56 times. They could be spending time improving ObamaCare or they could be working on a bill but no, their priority is to have these stupid repeal votes so that the new Republicans in Congress have a chance to vote to repeal it. Some of the Republican freshmen Congress men and women chose not to vote for repeal this time which is a move in a positive direction.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 11:03 PM

Political showmanship.

They're not serious about repeal. There may be too many components of the ACA that are rooted in Republican ideas. Repealing the ACA would repudiate their own past work.

Health reform is considered at a link I'd posted earlier:


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 7:28 PM

Why would any sane person want to vote for a party that has today voted for the 56th time in the House to repeal Obamacare. By the way, they have no insurance bill of their own to present.

"Today's exercise in time-wasting gamesmanship marks the 56th time that we have been down this well-traveled road. Fifty-six," said Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.). "Let's see, that's two score and 16. It's four and a half dozen. But no matter how you add it up, it has to be some sort of world record in political futility."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 5:16 PM


Nice to see you back :)

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 12:37 PM

Regarding state I.D. cards: That's just a ridiculous situation. I wonder what the costs of non-compliance will be to taxpayers.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 10:19 AM

"My side says no more unfunded wars." Who cares how many Democrats or Republicans voted for the Iraq war BEFORE that statement was made? I believe we've learned our lesson re: unfunded wars. If, before President Obama's term is over, we're faced with a decision between unfunded or funded war, and choose "unfunded" then we can point back to "My side says no more unfunded wars."

The nation is taken to war through an act of Congress, the people who represent us. It's a collective burden.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 10:02 AM

Wall Street - Inside Job


We're not an island:


"We are in unchartered territory economically."

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 9:00 AM

Unemployment and productivity -- apples and oranges -- If a manufacturer employing 100 people produces 100,000 widgets a year, and finds it beneficial to lay off 50 people, manufacturing productivity won't necessarily be decreased by 50%. Perhaps that employer invested in automated technology that then permits him to produce 300,000 widgets a year with only 50 people.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 8:49 AM

It's going to be interesting to see how all this plays out.


-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 8:45 AM

I enjoyed the link on healthcare. It reinforced my stand that Obama is neither a liberal or a progressive.

Why did the progressives stay home in 2014? Now you know.

What do I foresee in 2016? More of the same old same old. Both parties beholden to Wall Street, trial lawyers, the insurance industry and big pharma.

As long as the Mitchs, Harrys, Teds et al remain in the Senate the will be zero attempt to govern, just rule.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 8:38 AM

Energy policy -- most of the fear being drummed up may be by those who are not eager for a rapid diversification (status quo). More sources of energy mean a more stable resource available to consumers and industry alike. Jobs will be produced in these alternative energy industries; jobs that reduce risk to life, health and environment offer dividends as well.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 8:19 AM

EPA attack dog -- Congress makes EPA rules -- Note that "Alito implored Congress to fix the "notoriously unclear" scope of the Clean Water Act. " "Allowing aggrieved property owners to sue ... is better than nothing, but only clarification of the reach of the Clean Water Act can rectify the underlying problem," he wrote." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21...


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 7:53 AM

Healthcare -- Republican strategies failed - http://www.theamericanconservative.com/a...

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 7:44 AM

"Forcing the will of a minority on the majority..." Montgomery Bus Boycott? The Woolworth's lunch counter?

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 7:40 AM

Republicans and equal rights -- two men -- Trent Lott and Strom Thurmond.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Jan 31, 2015, at 7:36 AM

The easy part; Obama and all politicians have to work through a maze to keep their promises.

The impossible part; The maze local Republicans have to work through to keep their promises of * never posting on this webpage ever again? *; finding a shred integrity.

The words have been written multiple times; we have read them in the past; Now the local Republicans have shown they have no integrity; their words have lost all meaning; their ideas have become so strange we are not sure if they are joking or they have just fallen down the rabbit hole.

Pass the popcorn; watching the Republicans tripping over their boxes of Tea and slipping down the slope of fear, xenophobia and bitterness will be better than watching the next Benghazi investigation. Let real freedom ring cowboys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Jan 30, 2015, at 7:19 AM

By the way Mike, do your research. Obama pledged to cut the deficit not the debt. There is a difference you know.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Jan 30, 2015, at 6:18 AM

This country is moving forward on social issues much to the displeasure of those on the right.

Equal rights for all it's citizens, not just the heterosexual ones.

Healthcare, not just for those who can afford it.

On the energy front, we are moving away from coal to not only cleaner fossil fuels, but other forms of energy production. One of Texas's main industries after oil is wind power.

What has your side offered?

Bigotry, fear, legalized discrimination.

Your side whines and cries about Obamacare, but has yet to offer ANY alternative besides repeal.

Worker productivity is at an all time high, corporate profits are at an all time high, but wages have been stagnate for almost 3 decades. Why is this?

We are still recovering from the financial collapse enabled by lax regulations and oversight of Wall Street, and what does your side do? Start chipping away at laws put in place to help prevent this kind of collapse from happening again.

Air quality is improving because of stricter regulations on pollution. Your side wants to cut or eliminate those regulations to increase corporate profits even more, with no regard to the general well being of the average citizen.

My side says no more unfunded wars. Your side wants to go to war without funding it, unless of course you count cutting social funding.

My side says the government should be beholden to the average citizen, your side allows the government to be beholden to corporate interest.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Jan 30, 2015, at 6:12 AM

Why would the Bergdahl case go to a court-martial? The Republicans have already convicted the soldier; for a beard and a * think and a wink *; shouldn't the case just go straight to a public execution? The Republican Constitution is pretty clear on this; all Republican men should carry guns, Bergdahl is guilty without evidence or a trial; gays are not equal because they cost too much and Benghazi. That is all you need to know about the Bergdahl case.

Let freedom ring and the old 1776 mentality prevail, Cowboys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Jan 29, 2015, at 9:19 PM

There may be a filter in place that flags inappropriate language, or whenever symbols are used to replace letters in curse words. I recall that this was done in the post that has been deleted.

In response to that earlier post: I'm not trying to prove anything through the wikipedia reference, only a reference to an event that occurred. If you don't believe the event occurred simply because it appears on the wiki, I encourage you to refer to some of the 100 references provided in the article.

Bergdahl remains in legal jeopardy under the UCMJ. Perhaps we haven't heard much from him because anything he says may be used against him in a court-martial. If a court-martial is held, perhaps some of his accusers would be called as witnesses and be subjected to cross-examination. We may have a better picture of what may have happened following a court-martial.

That's if a court-martial will take place. According to the Army Times, no decision has been made in that regard.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Jan 29, 2015, at 3:46 PM


While I believe the word "hero" is being used to widely that does not mean I do not respect and appreciate each and every soldier that serves no matter what their position. I believe them to be brave and courageous for protecting this country. I have not served myself but I was an army wife and happen to have a daughter in service.

I see that Brenda again removed one of my posts, so biased!!

-- Posted by McCallumS on Thu, Jan 29, 2015, at 11:10 AM

If other service members are so keenly tuned to each other how could they fail to recognize that Bergdahl, a member of their team, may have been showing signs that the stress of their tasking may have been getting the better of him? Why did not his Band of Brothers take action to preserve the team; why not take action to help their vulnerable team member? It may be that his teammates failed to have his back. Time and testimony will tell.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Jan 28, 2015, at 8:15 PM

I wouldn't hold your breath Dave.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Jan 28, 2015, at 5:26 PM

Did anyone here post an apology following this? If not, why not?


Where did Bergdahl cross the line from "hero" (we've determined all our servicemen are heroes, haven't we?) to "traitor"? He hasn't been to trial yet.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Jan 28, 2015, at 4:58 PM

I have read it! It's you who chose to pick and chose when it comes to equality!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Jan 28, 2015, at 2:34 PM

So much for your respect for the DOI.

Muslims do speak out, Fox doesn't cover it.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Jan 28, 2015, at 12:48 PM

Flag burning? Lots of it going on here every day...verbally. So, what's up with the traitor....I mean Bergdahl? Are they going to court martial him or not. Media saying they will,(not just Fox) pentagon saying no decision has been made. Personally I see another general being fired and another cover-up in the making. Choo chooo poopoo yup pup waddup move on ding dong boys and girls........

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Jan 28, 2015, at 10:11 AM

One last thing Mike. I find it very telling that you believe your personal views trump my constitutional rights if I were inclined to burn the flag. You can't have it both ways!!!!!!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Jan 28, 2015, at 8:34 AM

Mike, do you support 100% equal rights for gays?

Not all muslims want to exterminate those who aren't.

Liars like Jindal conveniently turn a blind eye to the Hasidic population in NYC. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SCHOOLS, LAWS, COURTS AND POLICE!!!!!! THEY EVEN GET AWAY WITH PROTECTING THEIR OWN CHILD MOLESTERS!!!!!!

Why do they get a free pass?????? Because they are Jews???? Don't want to offend Israel?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Jan 28, 2015, at 7:05 AM

The First TeaParty Congress new * Saying They're Independent * document read as this;

TeaParty Republicans hold no truths to be self-evident except; TeaParty men; not women are created mostly equal; they are endowed by Fox News with certain rights; not lefts and certainly not aliens; among these are a right to a xenophobic Life, requirement to hate and the pursuit of guns.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Jan 28, 2015, at 6:51 AM

Mike, try looking up Westboro Baptist Church. 100% white evangelicals. I am disgusted by their actions.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Sound familiar Mike?

From things I've read that you have written, you really don't believe the above.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Jan 28, 2015, at 5:50 AM


Yes I have heard of Michael Moore just haven't heard anything he said about "American Sniper".

I don't listen to him any more then I listen to Bill O'Reilly or Glen Beck.

I don't listen to people who stretch the truth, take words out of context and lie for the purpose of ratings for their television show so they can keep their jobs.

I seen the Musicals you have spoke about and have read many books on the Holocaust and watched many movies about the Holocaust and Hitler.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Jan 27, 2015, at 1:06 PM

Mike, are you referring to Westboro Baptist Church? The American citizens that show up and disrupt veterans funerals in the name of god? Do they qualify as mongrels?

While I find flag burning distasteful, the legality of the act was settled long ago as protected free speech covered by the Bill of Rights, just as WBC actions.

Time moves on and waits for no man.

Just remember the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Tue, Jan 27, 2015, at 9:20 AM

And on cue...Republicans continue with their unstable brand of;

# Bitterness; * watch some mongrel torch our flag *

# Misinformation; * He and Sharpton our 2 of their "poster children." *

# Broken promises-old tired promise of revolution; * we'll see who's beliefs are so strong, upright and pure, they'd risk taking a bullet for it. *

Added bonus from the * Never Coming Back Ever Crew *

# The fear factor; * NAZI's, "cowards", driven from THEIR homes right there in Russia *

The research has been done, Coybows. The Republican bitterness, misinformation, broken promises of a rootin-tootin revolution and scarin the saloon full of wranglers will continue. Benghazi and Ebola on and let freedom ring. Yee Haw

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Jan 27, 2015, at 8:51 AM

We are happy to see the * Never Coming Back Ever Crew * back for their encore of conservative broken promises, misinformation and bitterness. A Right Wing Rodeo never fails to amuse us.

Benghazi On Cowboys and let freedom ring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Jan 26, 2015, at 6:52 PM

Always right

No apology necessary for me, it all rolls off my back.

Mike yes "Selma" is about the 60's down south. I haven't heard anything about "Michael Moore" so I don't know what your talking about. I go to see movies I think are worth watching, not because some people are hot under the collar about a movie. Another one I would like to see is "unbroken" Go to the Sunday Matinee's it cost less for us Seniors.

If I can't get Pat to go with me, my son will go. Heck he has even sat through a couple Musicals with me, which he hates but he does it for his Mama. lol!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Jan 26, 2015, at 11:42 AM

Fundamental changes have been needed and fought against for the history of this country. Slavery, women's right to vote, segregation, separate but equal, are but a few examples, and all have been fought and resisted, but to no avail. Times change and change is needed to address the changes in society and technology. Those who adhere to an interpretation of a document written over 200 years ago and refuse to acknowledge that the world is constantly changing are destined to be sidelined in favor of the needs of an ever changing society.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Jan 26, 2015, at 11:05 AM

Politicians, politics, and political discussions have a way of bringing dislike and anger to the surface. Particularly on an anonymous blog such as this one. Its easy to sit here and take shots at others who firmly believe their side is correct. The need to take a shot at someone, the need to respond when they comment back, the hostility it brings out, etc... I for one have determined that the world is a much happier place when politics aren't debated. For those that I have rubbed wrong, or offended,I apologize sincerely. MM, Sara, Mccallums, my apologies. As for politics, I'm taking a break. All these point discussions are nothing more than a way for both sides to vent. No one is being swayed to change their affiliations or ideas.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Jan 26, 2015, at 9:41 AM

I already seen the Movie. Went to the Matinee last Sunday with my Youngest Son.

The house was packed and I sat next to a Air Force Couple who I got to chat with before the movie started.

The next movie I want to see besides many others on my list is "Selma"

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Jan 25, 2015, at 1:20 PM

Mike, you have an agenda also!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Jan 25, 2015, at 10:28 AM

Ms. M, we both know Mike will only read that which conforms to his world view, everything else is left wing communist propaganda.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Sun, Jan 25, 2015, at 7:23 AM


I think you will find the links below interesting to read about Chris Kyle.



-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Jan 24, 2015, at 3:24 PM

old progressive,

I believe I know who you are referring, would it be Saeed Abedini? If so I am right there with you on this one. Americans cannot continue to do whatever they wish in other countries, thinking that just because they are Americans they will be bailed out each and every time they are taken prisoner or end up on jail for breaking laws in other countries.

Americans have the freedom to choose religious preferences or to be agnostic. Going to other countries and breaking their laws to bring personal beliefs to their citizens is wrong and those breaking the law should be punished. Saeed was in fact warned on a previous visit that he would be arrested if her returned. Why on earth does his spouse expect the government to get this guy back? Why on earth would Obama even consider meeting with this woman. I say let him serve his time, make him pay for deliberately putting himself in harms way.

always right,

You really do need to stop embellishing on what you have read. I did NOT say that "most" just need a little help, or that "most" aren't abusing the system. I simply added that many food stamp users are hard working people. Perhaps you should reconsider your choice of nic-name. :)

-- Posted by McCallumS on Fri, Jan 23, 2015, at 11:06 PM

always right, what studies do you have to support your statement "There is a large percentage that are along for a free ride.", or is it just a personal opinion?

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Jan 23, 2015, at 5:51 PM

mm and mccallums I don't disagree with some people needing help along the way. I do disagree when you say most just need a little help and aren't abusing the system. A little help isn't using the system to raise your kids, or using the system to live a lavish life style, or use the system as a substitute for a job. There is a large percentage that are along for a free ride. Back to my questions, how can this be prevented? ideas? suggestions? Cutting government waste is a total different subject

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Jan 23, 2015, at 2:08 PM

Always Right

Had you been paying attention I was answering your post

Posted by always right on Mon, Jan 19, 2015, at 9:06 AM

Not the next morning post.

Now who has the blinders on?

I agree with McCallumS people using a food stamp card, most are decent folks who need a little help along the way.

I seen the movie Mike, seen it on Sunday. Very intense movie which by the way is causing a stir, some say Chris Kyle wasn't portrayed in the movie as he was actually in life.

Enjoy your day!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Jan 23, 2015, at 11:55 AM

And while I'm on a roll, when an American citizen goes to another country and violates their laws, gets thrown out and warned that if he comes back and violates their laws again he will go to prison for a very long time and then he goes back and does violate their laws, then as far as I'm concerned he caused his own situation and needs to take personal responsibility for his actions instead of having folks back home protesting to the government to get him out of a situation of his own making. If we expect others to respect our laws, then we darn well need to respect their laws whether we agree with them or not. WE DO NOT RULE THE WORLD!!!!!!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Jan 23, 2015, at 10:11 AM

The days of earning a decent living with just a high school education are long gone. Gone are the days that if you wanted to earn a living in the skilled trades, you got into an apprentice program with a union and could earn a living while learning, but because of the right to work laws, unions are dying off and as a result there is a serious lack of really trained workers in the skilled trades. Plumbers, pipe fitters, electricians, welders, carpenters, and the like. Want to get a job building cars? You need a minimum of 2 years of collage.

I recently sold a car and among the people that showed up was a person from Taiwan. He wasn't here as a resident, he was here as a contract worker at Micron. A very good paying job that should have gone to an American, but Micron couldn't find any, so they import workers from other countries that EDUCATE their citizens.

How does that make you feel?

Americans now owe over 1 TRILLION dollars in student loan debt because the cost of education is so high.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Jan 23, 2015, at 7:56 AM

always right, do you even have an idea what it cost to go to a 2 year collage in this state?


This doesn't include the cost of text books which are extremely expensive even if you buy used.

We as a country fall further and further behind in the percentage of citizens with an education beyond high school. End result, we have to import workers from countries that do educate their citizens.

How does that make you feel?

Citizens with a higher education earn more and pay more in taxes.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Jan 23, 2015, at 7:11 AM

OK Mike. Put the rhetoric away and offer some kind of solution to what happened in the tragic story that was in my link. Did you even bother to read it? If you did, what are your thoughts on how to prevent something like that happening again? Come Mike, man up and try offering solutions, not the same old tired rhetoric.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Jan 23, 2015, at 6:57 AM

always right,

Cleaning up government waste needs to begin at the top. Look at the numbers of those holding offices, these are people being paid very high salaries for very little work.

Many people using the food stamp card are hard working Americans, these hard working Americans sometimes are not only working physical labor jobs but they have to take more than one job because their hourly wage does not allow them to pay their rent/mortgage and feed their families. These hard working men and women are proud people and it is often hard for them to swallow that pride in order to purchase groceries. Is it their fault that meat is so over priced? Is it their fault that the amount for healthy food is so much higher than foods that are not as healthy?

I say lower the numbers of politicians, seems as though the government has become a business in itself and the wealthy are getting wealthier because of it.

Those of you that are so into all this political crap may attempt to label me as republican or democrat but I assure you I am neither. I would rather see the United States given back to the people rather than being left in the hands of any political office.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Fri, Jan 23, 2015, at 3:06 AM

The United States started out with 0 years of free school. Then we had a free grade school education. Then we had free high school. Then the GI Bill allowed World War II veterans to go to college and the country did well as a result.

Kindergarten was added to the free offering because it was realized that this early boost helped the overall effectiveness of the childrens' education. It made Americans smarter.

The next logical step is to make two years of community college free. The country benefits from this, and it makes us competitive with other countries like India. That's called progress.

Maybe it's time to wake up and smell the roses. I know that it's high time to stop snooping on people that are customers at Wal-Mart.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 10:37 PM

Sam I'm glad to see you chime in. Let's talk about your post. Everyone already has the option of 13 years of free school.

If you were to add free to your other comments I would agree with you. No one is denying anyone of the right to feed their family or an education or anything else. They can spend their money as they choose. It's when its not their money that concerns us tax payers. How come you didn't mention the republicans denying them the right to get up and go to work?

Since you are speaking for mm when you say it's none of our business, you are correct. But when you are a tax payer and are tired of government waste, then it is your business.

-- Posted by always right on Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 6:57 PM

Some people seem to be very concerned about Wal-Mart shoppers: how they dress, their weight, what kind of cell phone they have, the prices of the items that they buy, and how they pay for their food. I'm with Marylin. All of this is none of our business.

Throughout the history of the United States there have always been the next to the bottom rung of society. They want to make sure that they don't end up in the bottom rung so their goal is to keep people down by such things as:

1. Denying them the ability to feed their children

2. Bad mouthing them on blogs

3. Denying them a good education

It is a tired old song that they sing.

I think that the free community college idea is a good one, and no I won't personally be benefiting from this because I completed my education. This helps the middle class and the poor. I don't mind my tax dollars being used for this.

It is much better than tax dollars being used for the stock market gamblers getting their welfare from the Republicans in Congress. I doubt if anybody is worrying about how they dress.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 5:28 PM

The "right" is responsible for this how? Please explain how you have come to this conclusion.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 5:00 PM

When will the insanity end?? When will the right admit that there is a problem that needs to be solved with something other than rhetoric?


-- Posted by the old progressive on Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 2:22 PM

Mm. My post January 20 at 9:41 am. Apology accepted. Maybe you weren't qualified to answer the questions. Blog on

-- Posted by always right on Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 1:08 PM

Something people forget:

You can't eliminate income inequality until you eliminate effort inequality.

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 11:36 AM

Always right

I'm not sure if you know what your talking about

Heres what you said

MM I don't know enough about Medicaid to form an opinion. I do know that if the government is doling out free health care, or subsidized health care, food stamps, Obama phones, etc.. that is welfare. You bleeding heart liberals want to make all kinds of excuses for the poor. You want everyone to be equal, unless of course you are the one on top. I answered your question. Answer mine. How do you feel about an individual who quits their job now that they can get cheaper insurance by not being employed. Then they start their own business using the welfare system as a safety net. How do you feel about seeing a fat girl wearing designer jeans, with a top of the line smart phone, buying $10.00 a pound steak, in line ahead of you at Walmart, paying with food stamps? Try this. Go watch people in Walmart buy groceries. Look for name brand, more expensive items. Then watch how they pay.

No where did you ask for ideas on how to keep people from abusing the system.

In my humble opinion I think you could use a break from the blogs. take a deep breath and put a smile on your face

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 11:18 AM

Mm that's a typical liberal response. Everyone on welfare has fallen on temporary hard times. And they all, I mean all, feel bad and want to get back on their feet. I didn't ask for the standard liberal excuse. I asked for ideas on how to keep people from abusing the system. Take the blinders off and come up with an original thought.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Jan 21, 2015, at 10:04 PM

Wow, pulling out the "fat" card. Amazing, not all people using food stamps are fat. That was a very poor example to get your point across.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Wed, Jan 21, 2015, at 7:34 PM

Always Right

First I don't snoop on people at the check outs in walmart or any other store while paying for their grocery's. I mind my own business.

2nd Maybe that fat girl wearing the designer jeans was a local Republican who recently split from her husband (Divorce) so they could reap the rewards of low income while still living in the same house with the husband she just divorced.

3rd If your so concerned about her or people like her why don't you the next time you see someone buying $10.00 a lb steaks and using a food card at walmart, introduce yourself and tell her your willing to help her budget so she will have some money left on her food card by the end of the month.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Jan 21, 2015, at 1:13 PM

The Republicans may be right about the Oil Pipeline; the statistic of only 50 new jobs for our country may be way off the mark the way the Republicans * think *. How?

# Lots of new bottled water plants will be needed as ground and reservoir waters become undrinkable.

# Toxic clean-up industry will boom.

# Doctors and the medical industry will hire strongly as people become sick from bad environment.

# Superfund sites will increase further increasing the toxic clean-up industry viability.

Do the research Cowboys. Riding off into an oil slick landscape at sunset is a Republicans dream, isn't it. Benghazi on and let freedom ring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Jan 21, 2015, at 9:53 AM

Want to see what might be in store for the people that depend on water sources near the KXL pipeline???


-- Posted by the old progressive on Wed, Jan 21, 2015, at 8:37 AM

We don't want everyone to share in Americas success, we want everyone to contribute to Americas success. Sounds like a republican. Do your part

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Jan 20, 2015, at 10:29 PM

Sorry folks, I'm not going to attempt translating Sara's last post into something intelligent. Just can't be done. I would like to pose a political question. If the Republicans spent the last 4 or 6 or 8 or 10 years blocking everything the democrats wanted to accomplish, who is responsible for the upturn of the economy? Is it fair to say that by stopping everything the dems wanted, the economy got better.

I know this will elicit a response about anger and Cowboys and civil war and trains and ringing. And Fox News.

Anyone know what station Air America is on?

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Jan 20, 2015, at 8:38 PM

The Republicans really know how to pack their Fox News Talking Points into each post; some are better than others; some lose their pistol packing cool faster than others; but all think they are rootin-tootin Urban Cowboys looking for that next OK Corral scene with an empty-chaired Client Eastwood type growl and snarl.

Here is just a sample of the fear mongering a Republican can pack into just one post we saw.

# "leader of the communist regime."

# ALWAYS speaks to the gullible

# the indoctrinated

# Your "prophet" speaks

# "Michelle" Moore

# scumbag commie liberal

# THAT "coward"

# Just another leftwing hypocrite

# running his treasonous, yellow mouth.

# 80-90% of all Hollywood being LIBERAL

# Couldn't happen to a sorrier bunch!

Commie regime and Obama the Prophet on, Cowboys; yeehaw, let freedom ring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Jan 20, 2015, at 5:14 PM

I feel like the patriots playing the colts on here. Sara really has nothing to contribute. Maybe someone else does. Maybe someone with a job, not on welfare, and pays taxes. Who is funding Obama care? Who has a plan to peel all the abuse out of the welfare system ?

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Jan 20, 2015, at 9:41 AM

The Republicans don't have as much power as they thought they did; with a majority in both houses of the US Congress; now these same people are going to allow the leaders of the communist regime, President Obama, to give his State of the Union speech in their chambers? Not only that but the leader of the communist regime is also visiting and speaking in Boise, Idaho?

Do your own research, Cowboys. Crack open a book to get a definition of the phrase *communist regime*. Somehow we don't think the Republicans are capable of this type of research but with enough encouragement their horses could drink from the fountain of education. Benghazi and Forged Birth Certificate on, Boys. Let freedom ring too.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Jan 20, 2015, at 7:52 AM

The Republicans like * to think *; think they are experts about welfare; think they are experts about people in need; think they are experts about ObamaCare; think they are experts about walmart shoppers they haven't ever talked to. Yes, the Republicans think they are experts about subjects they haven't studied. And when asked about a government program with many books, publications and black-white knowledge available to them, they don't seem to be able to form even the slightest educated opinion about that subject.

The research has been done, Cowboys. Not by a Republican but by the sane and educated Democrats. The Republicans now use only * thinking and guessing * as their basis for making decisions. No wonder the conservative don't like the idea of a real education; facts will prove them wrong. Benghazi and Death Panel on Boys; let freedom ring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Jan 19, 2015, at 10:42 AM

I would like to take the opportunity to break down the post below posted by Sara-Conner. Since Sara considers theirself the spokes people for the liberal left, here goes.

1. They don't like seniors and guns. Or the don't like seniors or guns.

2. The don't like the civil war. SO I can assume they really didn't like the results of the civil war

3.They don't consider their continuous rants about the Republican party as spewing hate.

4. They think it's wrong to register your car in the county you live in, wrong to contribute tax dollars into the pot they draw from.

5. They think its wrong for the right to disagree with them when it comes to providing them with an easy way of life.

6. People shouldn't carry guns because people in Mtn Home, and in Idaho, are always getting shot.

7. They don't like American legends, Clint Eastwood, because he made movies with guns in them. And he doesn't agree with their thoughts.

8. They don't like cowboys.

If I didn't like guns I would move. If I didn't like my neighbors I would move. If I didn't like Republicans I would move. If I didn't like seniors, well cant do much about that.

Hey Sara, California called and welcomes you.

We got to love our local pistol packing seniors; Advocate Civil War and admit to having extreme anger issues; Advocate a shooting Revolution, hate for liberals and people who register their cars in the certain Idaho counties and then tell us they can't keep their cool around people with a differing point of view?

These are the people who live and work around your City; cannot control their emotions and are still carrying guns. Clint Eastwood would be proud, Cowboys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Jan 17, 2015, at 9:23 AM

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Jan 19, 2015, at 9:32 AM

MM I don't know enough about Medicaid to form an opinion. I do know that if the government is doling out free health care, or subsidized health care, food stamps, Obama phones, etc.. that is welfare. You bleeding heart liberals want to make all kinds of excuses for the poor. You want everyone to be equal, unless of course you are the one on top. I answered your question. Answer mine. How do you feel about an individual who quits their job now that they can get cheaper insurance by not being employed. Then they start their own business using the welfare system as a safety net. How do you feel about seeing a fat girl wearing designer jeans, with a top of the line smart phone, buying $10.00 a pound steak, in line ahead of you at Walmart, paying with food stamps? Try this. Go watch people in Walmart buy groceries. Look for name brand, more expensive items. Then watch how they pay.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Jan 19, 2015, at 9:06 AM

So is Mike Bradbury describing a 24-karat gun on a political discussion? How could this be?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Jan 19, 2015, at 1:22 AM

We welcome Mr. Bradbury back to this webpage; your forever was much longer than other Republican's * forever *; much shorter than the classic definition; memory fades with time we understand.

The research hasn't been done yet but we're told a person who is reminded of an old-fashioned gun while thinking of another person might need some fresh air and sunshine.

Benghazi on Cowboys and let freedom ring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Jan 18, 2015, at 8:49 AM

Yer yap reminds me of a blunderbuss!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Jan 18, 2015, at 8:32 AM

We got to love our local pistol packing seniors; Advocate Civil War and admit to having extreme anger issues; Advocate a shooting Revolution, hate for liberals and people who register their cars in the certain Idaho counties and then tell us they can't keep their cool around people with a differing point of view?

These are the people who live and work around your City; cannot control their emotions and are still carrying guns. Clint Eastwood would be proud, Cowboys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Jan 17, 2015, at 9:23 AM

L is for Liking free

I is for I deserve it

B is for Bring on more entitlements

E is for EBT card

R is for Remember the first of the month

A is for Always Right

L is for Love to hate the Right

S is for .........................

Just a little humor for you Sara. Lighten up and have a great day

-- Posted by always right on Sat, Jan 17, 2015, at 7:38 AM

Republicans are now counting hate, bigotry and xenophobia as their entitlement programs; this whole time we thought these Republican traits were flaws; now we know they are a completely normal feature of the conservative party in the USA, the Taliban and ISIS. Explains a lot.

Let freedom ring Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Jan 16, 2015, at 8:41 PM

I consider it an entitlement. Kinda like the liberals view on health care, food stamps, cable tv, cell phones, happiness, respect, longevity, dessert, preferential treatment, and a ridiculous opinion

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Jan 16, 2015, at 7:01 PM

Mm. No

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Jan 16, 2015, at 6:55 PM

We find it odd how the local Republicans hate people; because they are poor; because they have different skin tones; because they want to move here from a State the Republicans don't approve of; because they registered their cars in Ada County; because they registered their car in Canyon County; because they participate in ObamaCare; because their religion isn't on the * Approved Republican Religion List *; because they love someone not on the * Republican You Can Love and Marry Them List *; because they post in a section of this webpage Republicans don't approve of.

The research has been done, Boys. Hate away and be bitter, angry and scared; it's the great Republican way; let freedom ring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Jan 16, 2015, at 7:20 AM

It looks like a lot of the Republican candidates just don't want Mitt to run again even though apparently Mitt wants to run. It looks like once again the Republicans will destroy each other in the primaries so that their candidate can lose again in the General Election.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 4:14 PM


Find and use your own material. The pajama line is mine. They are not pink, they are multi-colored and walking all about Walmart the first of each month.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 12:34 PM

Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio the want-a-be Republican candidates for President, and known science deniers are being given chairman positions for two key science committees. I believe this is one more example of the Republican Party being the stupid party.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 10:18 AM

WOW!!! What more can one say about that comment.....?

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 8:55 AM

Always Right

Do you believe Medicaid is Welfare?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Jan 13, 2015, at 12:52 PM

I think that the first two years of community college being free is a great idea and as a tax payer I don't mind paying for it. The link below has some of the details in the proposed bi-partisan idea. It will also be in the State of the Union speech on January 20th.

Even if students stop college after those first two years, the whole country benefits, and the students will find it easier to get jobs.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Jan 13, 2015, at 11:00 AM

The Republicans, first day in office take credit for a solid USA economy? Laughing all the way home we are.

Now the Republicans who have been bragging they are going to start a shooting-tooting new Revolution while taking on the name of the Tea Party Patriots want to say Democrats are using this as a scare tactic? Laughing all the way home we are.

The Republicans have seen the facts of the Canadian Oil Pipeline that will be built through the USA and provide only 50 permanent jobs for US Citizen while helping Canadian economy; yet they say this project is of great importance and now is a scare tactic from the liberals? Laughing all the way home we are.

The Republicans insists Democrats and liberal want everything for free; yet the facts are Red States have been proven time and again to be the biggest acceptor of our tax monies. Laughing all the way home we are.

The Republicans insist no one in the USA is dying of hunger; yet may are going hungry in the greatest nation in the world. We're not laughing but the pink pajama Republicans like to joke about hungry people; sad but true.

If stating facts scares people then this local group of liberals admit to using facts to push progress.

If spreading misinformation as the Republicans have been doing; ebola, death panels, communist takeovers, Nazi takeovers; Obama coming to get your guns; FEMA Camp; 12 year old terrorist warriors streaming across the border, Benghazi and a host of other laughable lies; if that is the way the Republicans want to push change or in most cases regression, then every US Citizen should be laughing at and dismissing the entire conservative movement.

The Misinformation Train is packed full; good to see the clown cars are full of the Tea Party Patriots. Let freedom ring and Benghazi On, Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Jan 12, 2015, at 10:59 AM


Free to Sara means she doesn't have to pay for it. Free healthcare, free food, free education, etc... If she isn't paying for it, it's free. SHe has no concern if someone else is picking up the tab.

For someone so reliant on the republicans to provide a way of life for her, she sure bites the hand a lot.

Is she not the one on here trying to spread fear and hate? Yet she blames it on the Republicans.

All her jibberish about a revolution, the freedom train, the pipeline, are fear tactics. Her free way of life is threatened by the Republican, pay your way, party.

Sara no one in the United States is dying of hunger. There are jobs out there. The problem is people like you who decide to quit their job to get more free welfare. Obama Care is welfare. It might be free to you, but it's not free. As Goatbeard mentioned, nothing is free. Some hard working American is paying for it. Let Freedom ring. Try posting something with substance

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Jan 12, 2015, at 10:08 AM

The Republican new agenda is the same as the old agenda; they spread fear; they spread hate; they spread misinformation; they make sure education is a lower priority than an oil pipeline that will create 50 permanent jobs; Why?

The research has been done, Boys. Keep em ignorant and they stay Republican. Benghazi on and let freedom ring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Jan 11, 2015, at 5:54 PM

Good morning Sara.....man did you work up a sweat over that? Weather or not this program started yet, it's in the works is it not? Just like so many others, this is something Obama wants and he'll implement it with his pen or some other method. But the deal is.....How is it free? And what does it have to do with all the other things you babbled about. Free Community college is what he said did he not? Seems a certain group of people don't understand, nothing is free, someone always pays. Pucker up and boohoo or chooo chooo or whatever it you used for a period. Have a good day.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Jan 11, 2015, at 8:39 AM

The fear factor is always on in the world of the Republican Party. The latest knee knocking, heart attack inducing, eyeball popping subject is free community college.

Why are the Tea Party Boys ready to grab their muskets and powder horns; they don't want the ignorant to get smart; they know college level classes and degrees create Democrats. Keep them ignorant and the next gen and many afterwards will be Tea Party Patriots; Benghazi On and let freedom ring.

Choo, Choo Boys; read this short write-up; http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-...

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Jan 11, 2015, at 8:02 AM

Republicans can see the fraud, waste and abuse snowballing in a program that hasn't even started.

Republicans can see death panels in a health care system; even if there aren't any.

Republicans can see Obama taking away your guns; even if he hasn't done so in 6 years of fear mongering by the Tea Party Patriots.

Republicans are already cheering the image of millions of Americans losing health care insurance.

Republicans are sipping champaign with the news 100,000's of citizens are forced off food stamps; hungry or not.

The one true Republican god; the god of money and retribution is extremely happy now.

The research has been done; the Republican Misinformation Train is no longer free; they say you have to pay to be deceived by your god and your conservative political leaders. Let freedom ring and Benghazi on, Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Jan 10, 2015, at 11:21 AM

Community College should be FREE! What is FREE? Last I knew, nothing is free. Do they have empty chairs they're willing to let someone sit in for no cost? Will they get academic records, for maybe a doc fee? I can see the fraud, waste and abuse snowballing already!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sat, Jan 10, 2015, at 8:47 AM

The misinformation train used to be blue and free. Now it's red and pay your own way. All aboard no more. A few of you will have to walk. The train can only take so many free loaders before its overloaded and stalls. Just like the United states. Thank you Sara Connor for laying the ground work for this analogy. I hope all of you are good

-- Posted by always right on Thu, Jan 8, 2015, at 6:33 AM

The current Republican majority US Congress is taking credit for our good economy as of yesterday. You Boys act fast. The Misinformation Train has been repainted, refueled with lies and guarded by the very old conservative musket army. Choo, choo Boys and let freedom ring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Jan 8, 2015, at 6:20 AM

Some time back someone posted on here that they quit their job so they could get free health care and start their own business Anyone remember who it was? Just wondering how the train business is going. 18 trillion right around the corner.

-- Posted by always right on Tue, Jan 6, 2015, at 9:04 PM

Right-wing business leaders were wrong; but how could this happen?

* CEO Who Said He'd Probably Have To Fire Employees If Obama Won in 2012 Is Now Giving Them Raises. *

Impossible. We were told by Republicans the USA would be communist and the world would be burning by 2015 if Obama got a second term. Facts get in the way of ignorance almost every time.

Only the promised Tea Party revolution or civil war can turn things around now, Boys; time to hit the stores for more musket balls and powder don't you think. Let freedom ring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Jan 6, 2015, at 10:39 AM

always right, what those of us on the "left" as you like to group us are against is market manipulation, commodities manipulation, bailing out the wall street banks because of stupidity and greed on their part. Stop and think about it. Big Oil isn't losing money at $50 a barrel, but the market players punish them because the price of oil isn't $100 a barrel. That makes the market players no better than OPEC. I am against exploiting workers with artificially low wages so the market players can get richer faster. The old fashion theory of investing for the long term has died because of the " I want more and more and I want it NOW!!!" mentality.

I feel no pity for the speculators who are taking a bath now. They deserve it for manipulating the market for so long with no regard to the effect of their actions on the average American consumer. If having your pocket picked by these low lifes doesn't bother you, so be it. As for me, I resent it and am glad to see them suffer.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 4:02 PM

Looks like the Republicans are on it today; as usual. They really want to make sure we stay in our little political banter box; even when we do, they chase us here to double down on their demand.

The new and we're thinking more radical 2015 Republican Party is insisting the left is all for the stock market crashing. The fairy tale life of the fanatical right wing, with their scare tactic and baseless accusations is good for a laugh.

When they go back to look at how the Obama Administration handled the stock market, the only way Republicans will be happy is if they look at the chart upside down. But of course, we've been told by the Republicans we shouldn't believe any facts or figures with Obama in office.

Let freedom ring Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 3:56 PM

Old Progressive I thought the left was all for the market tanking. You should be happy. As the market goes up, the rich get richer. Isn't the left anti rich? unless its them getting rich.

Hey Sara Connor. I just read the letter to the editor. You should take Mike's advice. It was rich on the money.

-- Posted by always right on Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 3:09 PM

After years of drill baby drill, we have, and today the market tanked 300+ points on oil stocks. Not that they are really losing money, but they aren't making as much as the investors want. WAHHHHH

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 2:07 PM

Sara, "we" "us" ???? I thought I was posting to 1 person. Did you bother to read my post? I don't know your age, but I have been engaging the far right for 50 years now. Yes, they were around that long ago.

Now that I've had my say, have a good day!

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 1:13 PM

we find it unusual someone would say "shame on us" for stating our opinion; stating facts; stating the obvious. The author of the letter to the editor asked us to reply to his letter and follow-up comments; maybe even dared us; in so many words. Our comments were not meant to enrage but to engage. And to blame us for the authors meltdown? Doesn't the author bear any responsibility to keep emotions under control? We believe a person who owns and carries a gun like the author brags about should be capable of controlling his emotion more so than a person who isn't carrying. The authors reply to us should be a warning sign to himself and everyone around him. Let freedom ring

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 12:59 PM

Sara, I read your post to Mike and all I can say is SHAME ON YOU!!! Your post was intended to enrage not to encourage anything even remotely resembling dialog in my opinion. Read my post to Mike if you want to see an example of attempting to engage in reasonable dialog.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 8:09 AM

Appears Mike Bradbury had a major melt-down in a reply to our opinion over in letters to the editor. And his voice is considered the voice of responsible and sane Republican policy?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Jan 4, 2015, at 9:19 PM

That was a good editorial Sam. I kind of agree with the conclusion that you made about the numbers and them being not so certain.

Some of the Republicans also want to re-write the "No Child Left Behind" Act from 2002. There is a fear that it may include a voucher system to pay for private schools. My thinking is that this will steer us 200 years back to unequal education for our children. What is your opinion on that?

BTW, I hope that you had a good holiday.

-- Posted by Soc7 on Fri, Jan 2, 2015, at 9:52 PM

Let's see--dating from 23 december there were 11 posts prior to my statement "suggesting" liberals on the blog were just one person.

Of those, 2 were made by coolbreeze, 2 by always right,1 by mike bradbury, 1 by lamont, 1 by the old progressive, 1 by audi, and 3 by you, sam. Of all, only YOU seem to take exception to what I said. Furthermore, YOU say I "denigrate the person discussing an issue". Of whom do you speak, sam? You? 11 posts from an obviously diverse set of speakers, yet you tie it all towards yourself? Hmm, I'm not the sharpest slice of cheese, but it seems you're speaking for many. (and who said anything about Middleton?)

-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Jan 2, 2015, at 9:05 PM

Speaking of the New Year, I read an interesting editorial. It mentioned all of the things that were supposed to go wrong, according to Republican in 2014.

1. Illegal immigrants were supposedly bringing into the country Ebola and other terrible diseases. - Doesn't match facts.

2. The economy was supposed to be bad, and is in fact good and getting better.

3. ObamaCare was supposed to be terrible and hated by most Americans, but now 10 million people that never had insurance are now insured. Most people want to improve ObamaCare, not repeal it.

4. Marriage equality has been accepted through most of the United States without turning their children Gay, plus worse things.

In anticipation of the New Year, though the author concludes with this.

"It's a new year though and the clown car about to be sworn in next week is bigger than ever with a majority in both the Senate and the House. A car full of gun loving, poor hating, veteran (possible expletive deleted), climate change denying, Wall Street deregulating, health care repealing, and wealthy old white man loving clowns. Their plans so far include repealing Dodd-Frank, cutting and privatizing social security, cutting pensions, defunding Obamacare, eliminating food stamps and welfare, raising taxes on the middle class and working poor, cutting taxes for the super-rich and corporations, and who knows how many other Benghazi, IRS, and impeachment hearings we'll have to endure. They have the numbers to do what they want and by this time next year we could be having a completely different conversation in a completely different country."

I believe that the author is wrong, on his last point. The clown car doesn't have enough numbers to do what they really want because they have to work with the moderates, and Obama can veto any bill unless it is overridden by a 2/3 majority which they don't have the numbers for. -- But it was a good article, and I enjoyed it.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Jan 2, 2015, at 2:22 PM


I would surely think that Brenda has more important and productive ways to spend her time rather than having to change your diaper when ever your feelings get hurt. Whine whine whine.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Jan 2, 2015, at 1:27 PM

Sorry about the double posts. I didn't see my first post get posted so I wrote another one and when I posted it, I seen the first post. lol!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Jan 2, 2015, at 12:42 PM

Happy New Year to you too, Marylin! Let's hope that it is a good year for the good guys, from whichever party that they belong!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Jan 1, 2015, at 5:13 PM

It does get pretty boring seeing the same rant over and over again and again. Hope the New Year will bring something interesting to this blog and hope to see some new people leaving comments.

Happy New Year!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Jan 1, 2015, at 12:32 PM

It does get a lot tiring reading the same rhetoric over and over again and again! That's why I have chosen not to comment very often. We all have our opinions and I don't expect to change any ones opinions, however it is boring reading the same rant from the same people.

Happy New Year ! Peace !

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Jan 1, 2015, at 12:25 PM

A very good point, Brenda. I respect that explanation and will try to do better.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Jan 1, 2015, at 2:06 AM

After some reflection, I'd like to go back and phrase what I said a little nicer, Brenda. Some comments get a little tiring, when they are repeated multiple times as a way to not debate an issue but to denigrate the person discussing an issue.

I could be wrong, but my perception is that when I respond to a negative comment that seems to draw your comments, not the person making the negative comment in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong.

I know you have a tough job, and I sincerely wish you and yours a Happy New Year. The BSU game was certainly a great ending to 2014!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 31, 2014, at 9:34 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher:
Some do not deserve comment as I expect no better. It is repeated comment over and over trying to draw reaction. Some have indicated they too tire of trollish behavior. It is those I challenge to stick to their ability to not be drawn out and continue fair and respectful debate. Then again I could be wrong. Thank you for the comments.

I ignored his statement for 4 days, which was intended to suggest that the liberals on the blog are just one person.

You ignored my comment for less than 1 day, Brenda. It isn't easy to not comment when something annoys you does it? I have the same struggle as you've pointed out.

Have a Happy New Year.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 31, 2014, at 6:47 PM

Mr. Mister, I'm puzzled by your question. Of whom are you thinking when you say "ya just have to wonder, how many personalities does them really have?...frightful"?

It makes me wonder if you are one of the few people in Mountain Home that thinks that people that are not of the extreme right in their thinking is really just one person that lives in Middleton. What a laugh!

Some of us are here to discuss politics. If you have another agenda, well too bad!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Dec 30, 2014, at 11:54 PM
Response by Brenda:
Really - gonna go there? Everyone else ignored statement. My question is do you care? Just when I felt a tiny twinge of hope! :(

HAPPY NEW YEARS! Be warm and safe out there!!

ya just have to wonder, how many personalities does them really have?...frightful

-- Posted by MrMister on Sat, Dec 27, 2014, at 10:28 PM

Fox News reported another police shooting of a black teenager, and a subsequent protest march about it claiming that the teenager had pointed a gun at the policeman.

The real facts of the case is that there was a video taken by a bystander which is grainy and you can't tell when the teenager was pointing a gun or pointing his finger.

The real problem that most people have with this shooting is this. This is in Missouri, where after the Brown shooting the police have been given and told to wear and use video cams. This policeman wore it but did not turn it on. He broke the rules, and probably on purpose because he probably resents the police having to wear a body cam. His lack of turning it on was disrespect for the feelings of the community.

Probably the teenager had a gun, but unfortunately the community will never know for sure because that policeman refused to follow the rules.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Dec 27, 2014, at 8:48 PM

Let's not forget NewsMax, Biebert and Fox as long as we're labeling.

-- Posted by the old progressive on Fri, Dec 26, 2014, at 10:10 AM

The Huffington post is the second most biased, feeble-minded, lack of substance, news source around. It's news for idiots. Right up there with MSNBC.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Dec 26, 2014, at 10:00 AM

The protests aren't about police brutality. Its about disrespect and dislike of the police. Not by any one color or one race off people. Its about the people having enough of the holier than thou attitude by the majority of law enforcement.

You can not generalize the reasons for the protests. The Eric Garner protesters were mainly calm and civil.

Whereas the Mike Brown protesters were a bunch of derilect thugs looking for a reason to riot and burn and steal. His family couldn't even band together for the cause without beating each other.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Dec 26, 2014, at 9:58 AM

Sam, to your point about the rampant police brutality, Huffington had an article showing "9 Absurd Justifications for Police Killings of Unarmed Black Males".

The 9th absurd justification was a black male who was recently stopped for a seatbelt violation, the policemen asked for his license, he turned and reached into his car to get it, the policeman got excited and told him to get out of the car, the man got out of the car and the policeman opened fire on him. Luckily, this man survived. He kept saying, why did you shoot me? -- The justification was that he followed instantly the police instructions.

This one happened in South Carolina and in this case possibly justice will occur. The police officer was fired and then charged with "assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature, a felony which carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison".

Justice hasn't occurred in most cases of this and that's why people are protesting and were still protesting last night.



-- Posted by Soc7 on Wed, Dec 24, 2014, at 8:58 AM

I agree lamont. This is an overall problem that has come up over and over again, and is about police brutality mainly against certain groups of people. The protests are because people have had enough.

Thank you Cool Breeze for the cut and past of what Bryan Fischer says about this issue. He is a well known extreme right wing fanatic that also thinks the gay agenda is the "greatest threat to liberty".

Do you ever have a thought of your own?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Dec 23, 2014, at 11:20 PM

Well it looks like Congress got their Christmas wish this year, and maybe American gained from this as well. As opposed to the Ted Cruz and others antics from last year, we are not going to do brinksmanship over the budget this year.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Dec 23, 2014, at 11:07 PM

The protest are not about BROWN AND GARNER the are about police brutality.Brown and GARNER are the catalyst for actions which have been happening for years.It might be noted that the protest has taken on a national tone.This is not just about N.Y.but community's all over this nation.The brutality touches us all some more than others.It needs to stop.

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Dec 23, 2014, at 10:03 PM

I've been watching the Cuba thing too. It looks like Obama can open up diplomatic relations and remove economic sanctions but he has to get Congress's support to lift the embargo.

In addition to that Congress can refuse to fund an embassy so Obama can make improvements but he is going to need some cooperation from the Republicans.

What is going on between Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and Jeb Bush right now is that they want to start standing out as the front runner for a Republican Presidential bid.

An interesting thing to note is that just before the embargo was imposed, John F. Kennedy bought thousands of Cuban cigars. He liked those Cuban cigars.

-- Posted by Soc7 on Sat, Dec 20, 2014, at 5:49 PM

It looks like everything is not happy in Republican land. Marco Rubio says that Rand Paul doesn't have a clue about Cuba. Rubio wants to keep the embargo against Cuba.

I think Andy Borowitz is right about Marco Rubio trying to prevent the 21st Century from happening. Good luck with that Marco.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Dec 19, 2014, at 9:35 AM

Related to the Cuba opening up of relations. Andy Borowitz published an article.

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)--Seizing upon an issue that could become the cornerstone of a possible 2016 Presidential campaign, Senator Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said on Thursday that he would do everything in his power to block the twenty-first century.

"A lot of folks in Washington believe that the twenty-first century is a forgone conclusion, and that there's nothing we can do about it," Rubio said. "I say, 'Not on my watch.' "

Explaining his strategy, Rubio said that he and fellow Republicans were exploring ways to stop funding any items in the federal budget that pertain to the current century. "We cannot stop time, perhaps, but we can defund it," he said.

In a blistering attack, he laid blame for the twenty-first century squarely on the shoulders of someone he accused of "using every trick in the book to make it happen": President Obama.

"Much like Obamacare, the twenty-first century is something that the American people never asked for and do not want," Rubio said.

Andy Borowitz is a New York Times best-selling author and a comedian who has written for The New Yorker since 1998. He writes the Borowitz Report for newyorker.com.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Dec 18, 2014, at 11:31 PM

I've been watching the Cuba situation too Sam. After 50 years it is time to start working with one of our closest neighbors. The good results this week has been a start. It's too bad that it will probably be politicized.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Dec 18, 2014, at 9:18 PM

Thanks for posting the article, Audi. The more that I read on this makes me think that there will be a better resolution to the Brown case, even if it has to be through a federal investigation. Possibly the 2016 election, may encourage the state of Missouri to take a better action but if not, maybe the Federal government will do something about it.

On a different subject, Audi, I've been following the Cuba situation and where we have moved forward in friendlier relations. Jeb Bush has come out against this, but it turns out the company that was paying him a million dollars a year (a British Company) was breaking the rules on the sanctions to Cuba, Iran, and other countries. What are your thoughts on improving relations with Cuba?

Anybody else chime in too, as long as you can be respectful. If you can't I'll ignore your comment.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Dec 18, 2014, at 8:12 PM

This article:


is a real eye opener on how Fox News is willing to twist the truth to support the white cop against a black teenager. It has additional information on Witness 40 and her story being made up, yet Fox News repeatedly used her testimony to support Wilson's "innocence".

Apparently this witness testified in another crime and that testimony was considered to be a "complete fabrication."

-- Posted by Soc7 on Thu, Dec 18, 2014, at 10:54 AM

Good point Geordie, but I think that the answer, which I read about in the White Privilege Conference (WPC) is for white people to become champions against White Privilege as a positive step.

We know that we are getting the breaks that others are not getting just because we are white. In the case of Ferguson, we need to be protesting the fact that Brown, because he was black was killed rather than arrested.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 17, 2014, at 7:36 PM

One more. Have you looked at the tuition assistance that is offered to a middle class, white young man that wants to attend college? Or even a lower class white kid?

List some fund raisers for white kid scholarships. List some events. Take a look at the scholarship applications, grant applications, loan applications.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Dec 17, 2014, at 6:52 PM

White privileged? You coined this phrase over one shooting? A black cop has never killed a white kid with questionable circumstances? White privileged? Explain the NAACP or BET or Grambling university. I'm sure you two or three will refer to me as racist for not jumping on your wagon. You on the left seem to like sitting and picking out the corn, then patting each other on the back for doing a good job. Sounds like you are trying to justify to yourself that you aren't racist

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Dec 17, 2014, at 6:47 PM

I've heard a lot about white privilege lately and know that it exists but how do you stop it? You probably can't stop the receiver of the benefits of white privilege because they aren't doing anything wrong.

It seems that the only thing to do is address racist and other illegal behavior. Wilson thought Brown looked like a monster because he doesn't see black people as being the same as the people he has as friends and neighbors -- all white.

-- Posted by Geordey on Wed, Dec 17, 2014, at 3:10 PM

That is a good point about Witness 40, Sam, and how she went out of her way to support Wilson and testify for him despite the fact that she wasn't even a witness, and she clearly is a racist with her own agenda for black people. Slate had an article that discusses "white privilege" which is almost the opposite of what Witness 40 did. The Slate article said:

"What, then, is a useful way to think about what white privilege means and how it works? In my view, the key to understanding white privilege is in this question: How can you benefit from racial inequality without being a racist? It's true, and important to understand, that white people often have the privilege of getting the benefit of the doubt from law enforcement. Or to put it in another, starker way: White people are less likely to be killed by police officers."


White privilege needs to be fixed as well as the racist behavior of Witness 40 who needs to be tried for lying to the FBI, the police, and the Grand Jury.

The system is broken in more ways than we sometimes consider.

-- Posted by Soc7 on Wed, Dec 17, 2014, at 2:22 PM

MSNBC. As left as it gets. 45% say enhanced interrogation is acceptable. 51% say it should be used in certain situations. The lobs pushing to get the report out back fired. Ha ha ha ha

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Dec 17, 2014, at 5:46 AM

On a different subject, the grand jury witness number 40 that some Darren Wilson supporters use to claim that Wilson was in fear for his life, turned out to be lying. She wasn't even a witness and has an unfortunate habit of referring to black people by various names that would get my comment deleted if I said what they were.

The FBI knew that she was lying. But the prosecutors still had her on the stand where she could lie to support Wilson's story.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Dec 16, 2014, at 2:35 PM

Michelle Bachman decided not to run again because there were campaign funding irregularities. It didn't sound like it was going to be swept under the rug.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sun, Dec 14, 2014, at 9:41 PM

Politico did a good parting story on Michelle Bachman. Chris Hayes said that she was the "queen of the hard right-wing clown car."

Politico described her parting shot at Obama as thus.

"On Tuesday, in what the retiring congresswoman from Minnesota figured would be her last White House holiday party, Bachmann used the grip-and-grin moment when she got her picture taken with President Obama to raise a reliably grin-killing topic. "The U.S. needs to take out Iran's nuclear facilities today," she informed him.

His response?

"A condescending smile and laugh," she tells Politico, making a little pat-on-the-head gesture. "'Michele, it isn't that easy, but that's OK,'" she remembers him telling her. To which the gentlelady from Minnesota replied that it would be on him, then, to have failed to keep Iran from wiping Israel off the map.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2...

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Dec 13, 2014, at 11:36 AM

Always right your grasp of the facts is off and my name is not "bud". Try harder to clamor for attention although I don't think it will help you.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 11:06 PM

Issa was cheap compared to obamacare and Obama vacations and Obama golf outings and pelosi plane trips and 17 trillion dollars. Jimmy C is grinning from ear to ear. Carter looks like a genius comparatively speaking. And that not just peanuts. Congrats geordey on your recent award. Keep up the good work bud

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 10:26 PM

Good link Sam. Issa will not fare well in the history books and he will probably have a hard time adjusting to not being the chairman.

That reminds me. Michelle Bachman, tied with Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh for dumbest Tea Party members had her last day in Congress. I saw her Fox News interview. She complained that Obama was condescending to her. She might feel that a lot from most people.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 5:13 PM

Here is something else that is appalling, Geordie. Darrel Issa cost the American taxpayers 25+ million for his committee, 14+ million for the IRS to respond to continual and redundant subpoenas, as well as other agencies responding to him and his committee.

In four years as the committee chairman, he uncovered no proof of a scandal. According to salon.com:

"By mistaking bureaucratic incompetence for scandal, ineptitude for criminality, and general stupidity on the part of low- and mid-level government employees for political conspiracy, Issa all but guarantees that only the most fervent partisans will trust any information that emerges from his committee. In that way he is perhaps the best Oversight chairman a Democratic administration could hope for -- one whose investigations can simply be disregarded as partisan witch hunts and whose influence waned with each misstep."

In 2015 another Republican chairman will be in place. Hopefully, but not likely, he will have learned a fiscally responsible lesson from Issa's activities.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 4:04 PM

Geordey. Common sense should tell you that if you are watching something that is appalling to you, don't watch it. When your posts become appalling to me, opposed to humorous, I will quit reading them buddy.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 3:40 PM

I am appalled that Fox News continues to support terrorism based on the end justifies the means. That is as bad as Nixon saying it isn't against the law if the president does it.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 2:18 PM

Related to the topic of the torture report, Cheney, etc., Andy Borowitz had something apropos.

December 11, 2014

Cruz: Stop Blaming Bush for Things He Did

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)--Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) blasted his Democratic colleagues in the Senate on Thursday, telling reporters, "I'm sick and tired of people blaming George W. Bush for things he did."

In the aftermath of the release of the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on torture, Cruz said, "Democrats have been busy with their favorite game again: bringing up catastrophic things that President Bush did and then blaming him for them."

The Texas Senator raised the invasion of Iraq as an example of something that "Bush gets blamed for simply because he did it."

"Just because President Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq, costing thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, does that mean he should bear the blame for it?" he asked.

"America is not a place where you get blamed for things simply because they never would have happened unless you did them."

He urged each of his Democratic colleagues "to look in the mirror and ask yourselves whether you want to be blamed for disasters you have personally created? In my case, the answer is a resounding 'no.'"

Andy Borowitz is a New York Times best-selling author and a comedian who has written for The New Yorker since 1998. He writes the Borowitz Report for newyorker.com.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 1:57 PM

A while back was it Sam or Sara referring to God as "your god" ?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 12:53 PM

On the topic you were discussing before Sam, the torture report and how Fox News isn't calling it torture, as a matter of fact the new term is something like "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques".

Fox News is a well know Cheney supporter so they had him on for an easy interview about the torture and whether Bush knew about it. Fox seemed happy with everything Cheney said including saying that the end justifies the means, however, The Atlantic reported on the Fox News/Cheney interview.

The Atlantic said that Cheney lied. First Cheney said Bush knew all about what was done, and then when asked about a specific technique, involving psychological rape through a feeding tube, he claimed that he and Bush didn't know about that.

It will be interesting what Cheney will come up with on the week-end talk shows.


-- Posted by Soc7 on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 12:18 PM

One of the Congressional Republican's big goals, beginning in January 2015 is getting rid of some environmental protection laws, specifically in regards to carbon in the atmosphere.

The bad news for the Republicans is that 6 out of 10 Americas, and 5 out of 10 Republicans support this regulation. The bad news for the environment, is that while people believe in Global Warming and think something needs to be done about it, it still has a low priority.

Huffington had a good discussion of this in the link below.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 9:00 AM

Just watched Sherri Ybarra on the news. I think she will make great strides to improve our schools.

-- Posted by always right on Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 6:59 AM

Another interesting Borowitz article.

Republicans Accuse Obama of Treating Immigrants Like Humans

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)--In a sharp Republican rebuke to President Obama's proposed actions on immigration, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell accused the President, on Thursday night, of "flagrantly treating immigrants like human beings, in clear defiance of the wishes of Congress."

McConnell was brutal in his assessment of the President's speech on immigration, blasting him for "eliminating the fear of deportation, which is the great engine of the American economy."

"Fear is what keeps immigrants working so hard and so fast and so cheap," McConnell said. "Remove the fear of deportation, and what will immigrants become? Lazy Americans."

In a dire warning to the President, McConnell said, "If Mr. Obama thinks that, with the stroke of a pen, he can destroy the work ethic of millions of terrified immigrants, he's in for the fight of his life."

He added that Obama's comments about deporting felons were "deeply offensive" to political donors.

Andy Borowitz is a New York Times best-selling author and a comedian who has written for The New Yorker since 1998. He writes the Borowitz Report for newyorker.com.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Dec 11, 2014, at 12:03 PM

Way to jump in there geordey! I've been waiting for someone to show up with some substance. Out of the blue comes the all knowledgable Geordey with a great post!! You da man. Wah back at ya partner.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 6:30 PM

Cool Breeze, here is something for you to remember, in regards to Obamas errors on the Bible.

1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

2 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" -- Mathew 7:1-3.

Oh and by the way these words will be different depending on the Bible used and the version of the Bible. Were you aware that the Christian Bible was first translated into English in 1611, ordered by King James to match the beliefs of the Church of England. It was translated from multiple languages including Arabic.

The story of Mary and Joseph seems very fitting. Obama didn't say that they were illegal immigrants he said that they were strangers in the land. Ancestral home or not, they apparently didn't know anyone that they could stay with, which is why they stayed in a manger.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 4:54 PM

The timing was pretty clear. Just read the quote that I provided from Feinstein.

The United States has needed to take a position for a long time now that torture is not what we do. Good for Feinstein and good for McCain.

You should try not to hate so much No Quarter. It's bad for your health and is un-Christian.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 1:36 PM

The person that you called a RINO is a war hero that sacrificed more than you would even dream of sacrificing for his country.

Although I disagree with his politics, and some of his past actions I have a lot of respect for his courage and patriotism.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 12:37 PM

It took years to carefully investigate it and write the report, and not include classified information. It was actually ready for months, but there were concerns about releasing it that had to be weighed.

According to a CBS interview, Feinstein said that she felt that the report needed to be released. She said "I realize the Senate changes leadership in January, and so the likelihood of the report coming out next year was slim and none, so we had a limited opportunity after five and a half years of work to get this out."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 12:34 PM

No Quarter, John McCain a respected Republican senator who was tortured as a POW in the Vietnam war for years said this on the Senate Floor yesterday. (He disagrees with you, in case you don't want to read the whole thing.)

"Mr. President, I rise in support of the release -- the long-delayed release -- of the Senate Intelligence Committee's summarized, unclassified review of the so-called 'enhanced interrogation techniques' that were employed by the previous administration to extract information from captured terrorists. It is a thorough and thoughtful study of practices that I believe not only failed their purpose -- to secure actionable intelligence to prevent further attacks on the U.S. and our allies -- but actually damaged our security interests, as well as our reputation as a force for good in the world.

"I believe the American people have a right -- indeed, a responsibility -- to know what was done in their name; how these practices did or did not serve our interests; and how they comported with our most important values.

"I commend Chairman Feinstein and her staff for their diligence in seeking a truthful accounting of policies I hope we will never resort to again. I thank them for persevering against persistent opposition from many members of the intelligence community, from officials in two administrations, and from some of our colleagues.

"The truth is sometimes a hard pill to swallow. It sometimes causes us difficulties at home and abroad. It is sometimes used by our enemies in attempts to hurt us. But the American people are entitled to it, nonetheless.

"They must know when the values that define our nation are intentionally disregarded by our security policies, even those policies that are conducted in secret. They must be able to make informed judgments about whether those policies and the personnel who supported them were justified in compromising our values; whether they served a greater good; or whether, as I believe, they stained our national honor, did much harm and little practical good.

"What were the policies? What was their purpose? Did they achieve it? Did they make us safer? Less safe? Or did they make no difference? What did they gain us? What did they cost us? The American people need the answers to these questions. Yes, some things must be kept from public disclosure to protect clandestine operations, sources and methods, but not the answers to these questions.

"By providing them, the Committee has empowered the American people to come to their own decisions about whether we should have employed such practices in the past and whether we should consider permitting them in the future. This report strengthens self-government and, ultimately, I believe, America's security and stature in the world. I thank the Committee for that valuable public service.

"I have long believed some of these practices amounted to torture, as a reasonable person would define it, especially, but not only the practice of waterboarding, which is a mock execution and an exquisite form of torture. Its use was shameful and unnecessary; and, contrary to assertions made by some of its defenders and as the Committee's report makes clear, it produced little useful intelligence to help us track down the perpetrators of 9/11 or prevent new attacks and atrocities.

"I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence. I know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information if they think their captors will believe it. I know they will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering. Most of all, I know the use of torture compromises that which most distinguishes us from our enemies, our belief that all people, even captured enemies, possess basic human rights, which are protected by international conventions the U.S. not only joined, but for the most part authored.

"I know, too, that bad things happen in war. I know in war good people can feel obliged for good reasons to do things they would normally object to and recoil from.

"I understand the reasons that governed the decision to resort to these interrogation methods, and I know that those who approved them and those who used them were dedicated to securing justice for the victims of terrorist attacks and to protecting Americans from further harm. I know their responsibilities were grave and urgent, and the strain of their duty was onerous.

"I respect their dedication and appreciate their dilemma. But I dispute wholeheartedly that it was right for them to use these methods, which this report makes clear were neither in the best interests of justice nor our security nor the ideals we have sacrificed so much blood and treasure to defend.

"The knowledge of torture's dubious efficacy and my moral objections to the abuse of prisoners motivated my sponsorship of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, which prohibits 'cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment' of captured combatants, whether they wear a nation's uniform or not, and which passed the Senate by a vote of 90-9.

"Subsequently, I successfully offered amendments to the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which, among other things, prevented the attempt to weaken Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, and broadened definitions in the War Crimes Act to make the future use of waterboarding and other 'enhanced interrogation techniques' punishable as war crimes.

"There was considerable misinformation disseminated then about what was and wasn't achieved using these methods in an effort to discourage support for the legislation. There was a good amount of misinformation used in 2011 to credit the use of these methods with the death of Osama bin Laden. And there is, I fear, misinformation being used today to prevent the release of this report, disputing its findings and warning about the security consequences of their public disclosure.

"Will the report's release cause outrage that leads to violence in some parts of the Muslim world? Yes, I suppose that's possible, perhaps likely. Sadly, violence needs little incentive in some quarters of the world today. But that doesn't mean we will be telling the world something it will be shocked to learn. The entire world already knows that we water-boarded prisoners. It knows we subjected prisoners to various other types of degrading treatment. It knows we used black sites, secret prisons. Those practices haven't been a secret for a decade.

"Terrorists might use the report's re-identification of the practices as an excuse to attack Americans, but they hardly need an excuse for that. That has been their life's calling for a while now.

"What might come as a surprise, not just to our enemies, but to many Americans, is how little these practices did to aid our efforts to bring 9/11 culprits to justice and to find and prevent terrorist attacks today and tomorrow. That could be a real surprise, since it contradicts the many assurances provided by intelligence officials on the record and in private that enhanced interrogation techniques were indispensable in the war against terrorism. And I suspect the objection of those same officials to the release of this report is really focused on that disclosure -- torture's ineffectiveness -- because we gave up much in the expectation that torture would make us safer. Too much.

"Obviously, we need intelligence to defeat our enemies, but we need reliable intelligence. Torture produces more misleading information than actionable intelligence. And what the advocates of harsh and cruel interrogation methods have never established is that we couldn't have gathered as good or more reliable intelligence from using humane methods.

"The most important lead we got in the search for bin Laden came from using conventional interrogation methods. I think it is an insult to the many intelligence officers who have acquired good intelligence without hurting or degrading prisoners to assert we can't win this war without such methods. Yes, we can and we will.

"But in the end, torture's failure to serve its intended purpose isn't the main reason to oppose its use. I have often said, and will always maintain, that this question isn't about our enemies; it's about us. It's about who we were, who we are and who we aspire to be. It's about how we represent ourselves to the world.

"We have made our way in this often dangerous and cruel world, not by just strictly pursuing our geopolitical interests, but by exemplifying our political values, and influencing other nations to embrace them. When we fight to defend our security we fight also for an idea, not for a tribe or a twisted interpretation of an ancient religion or for a king, but for an idea that all men are endowed by the Creator with inalienable rights. How much safer the world would be if all nations believed the same. How much more dangerous it can become when we forget it ourselves even momentarily.

"Our enemies act without conscience. We must not. This executive summary of the Committee's report makes clear that acting without conscience isn't necessary, it isn't even helpful, in winning this strange and long war we're fighting. We should be grateful to have that truth affirmed.

"Now, let us reassert the contrary proposition: that is it essential to our success in this war that we ask those who fight it for us to remember at all times that they are defending a sacred ideal of how nations should be governed and conduct their relations with others -- even our enemies.

"Those of us who give them this duty are obliged by history, by our nation's highest ideals and the many terrible sacrifices made to protect them, by our respect for human dignity to make clear we need not risk our national honor to prevail in this or any war. We need only remember in the worst of times, through the chaos and terror of war, when facing cruelty, suffering and loss, that we are always Americans, and different, stronger, and better than those who would destroy us.

"Thank you."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 11:43 AM

Hello again, Audi. The Senate released a torture report and every mainstream news agency called it that: "torture".

Fox New's headline though is: "Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogations amid security warnings".

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 10:47 AM

I watch Fox News very rarely, and usually when I am visiting a family member. Some people in my family actually say things like "Fox News seems to make sense." These family members, I'm sorry to say, don't look at a variety of news sources so that they can tell better on what is true and what is a lie.

I think that other nicknames that their critiques have for them is more descriptive of their activities: Faux News, Faux Noise, Fixed News, Fox Opinion Channel and Minitrue.

It is very right wing and doesn't present the news honestly. If you aren't Christian they don't like you at all.

-- Posted by Soc7 on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM

Sam maybe always right doesn't realize that just because he is on the forum to taunt doesn't mean that people need to respond? He might be always wrong. Wah!

-- Posted by Geordey on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 9:24 AM

I think you are right Cool Breeze. I threw a couple of talking points out there and Sam would rather talk about Fox News.

Sam do you watch Fox news so you can find something to disagree on? Is the high light of your day to disagree with something or someone? Get passed your hatred of Fox and Conservatives and Republicans. Lets have a real discussion. I don't disagree or agree with everything either side says or does. I mentioned the stock market and unemployment being good news. I mentioned the 17 trillion, not good news, and torture. All topics in politics as we speak. Man up and talk politics. I will start

1. the unemployment rate dropping is great news. Im sure some of the programs the left put in place are working. Im sure some aren't. And I believe the drop in unemployment has affected the 17 trillion debt.

2. I like the fact the stock market is going up. My hefty 401k is doing nicely. The rich are getting richer and the gap is growing between the haves and have nots. That's a problem for the left that are have nots. Not so much for the lefts that are the haves. your opinion sam?

3. Torture. Although gruesome and inhumane, sometimes necessary. You cant always turn the other cheek. there are only two to turn before you get kicked in the lower ones.

There ya go. Get rid of the simpleton mind set and try to voice something productive. This is a political forum. Not Sams online scrap book of links and barbs

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 9:02 AM

I watched Bill O'Reilly last night, and because I had the channel changed to Fox I unfortunately watched a part of Fox News this morning until reason and common sense took over. It was both surprising and hilarious.

On O'Reilly's show he had the two Fox News regular "news reporters" (women with frowny faces). He treated them like irresponsible teenagers and they acted like it. His behavior and theirs was very demeaning to women.

This morning Fox was still singing the same song as O'Reilly last night, which is that the torture information that was released was wrong, biased, and dangerous.

Amazing, how a pretend news station can try to change the news by repeating the same theme over and over. I can see how they can be a big influence on Tea Party types.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 8:33 AM

I doubt that you would be able to come up with a factual and logical discussion, "always right".

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 7:24 AM

Wow. I post one time and instantly I am someone else that's on here. And I'm Canadian and British. Such high amounts of paranoia from the left reps on here. No mention that maybe I'm female. Let's just talk politics. Let's discuss 17 trillion in debt. Let's talk torture.

-- Posted by always right on Wed, Dec 10, 2014, at 7:06 AM

Yes, Geordie, parrot