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RINO's in Congress; got to respect them; Republicans spread misinformation about ObamaCare and proceed to conduct their own committee hearings with private insurers; Was the call to get insurance exec's to back them up on their misinformation or for some other reason.


# Only 67% ACA consumers paid their first month's premium? Under oath Insurance Exec's say False.

# The ACA has lead or will soon lead to a government takeover of the Insurance industry? Under oath Insurance Exec's say False.

# The Republicans predicted a sharp increase in insurance premiums will occur next year? Under oath Insurance Exec's say even they did not have enough data or experience to forecast prices.

Appears these Republicans either got answers they didn't expect or they have concluded ObamaCare is good for this nation.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, May 9, 2014, at 7:41 AM

Plagiarism is using other people's words without crediting the source, like you did CB last night with your long list.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, May 9, 2014, at 7:15 AM

I am a Democrat and I believe that CoolBreeze plagiarized without giving credit to various right wing web sites, one of which posted this just about word for word. He does like to not give credit for ideas that he uses.

That's the thing CoolBreeze. If it isn't your own words give the author credit on where you lifted it.


I would take your post more seriously except that I don't respect that you don't say that these funny Democrat accusations didn't come from you, CoolBreeze.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 9:44 PM

I think the work on bringing in the new business has some good ideas, but what seemed to be missing from it was next steps: who does what and by when. Without that things just don't seem to get done.

On another subject ... some will think this funny and some won't but I saw this on Facebook and thought that I would share it.

Republican to English Dictionary

Benghazi - A commonly exploited Republican term translating to: Dear God, please don't let Hillary run in 2016.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 6:02 PM

You mean the 50 new business's were not enough?

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 2:17 PM

City/County Economic Growth Departments are asking themselves what should the city and county do to attract new large business to Mountain Home. Good article. Missing a few points, but really needs to be thought and talked about.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 1:48 PM

Their really good at deflection aren't they goat beard.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 9:51 AM


-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 9:43 AM

** It's my own opinion that you are probably a Berkley liberal from Caliofornia or possibly blind. Maybe even ignorant. See, l can call names too even knowing it will garner another explosive response of babble from you and you soul supporter who tries to back up everything you post here. Have a good day ma'am -- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 8:08 AM **

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 9:31 AM

Sarah.....Unbelievable, that's not even political banter, it's just plain nonsense. Are you serious about all that babble or are you just seeking argument? And Sam.....saying you enjoy those comments? To me they are meant to insight argument. Some things are getting a little personal which I view as inappropriate. Politics has become a dirty filthy hobby where name calling and belittling has become the norm. Anyone and I mean anyone who participates in this behavior loses my vote and respect for whatever that's worth. Have a good day!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 8:26 AM

As usual, I enjoyed your comments Sara.

For those interested, here is what other news sites have done to improve the level of comments. Some of the things that they have used are:

1. Not allowing people to comment at all

2. Providing an "ignore" button so that from that point on you will not see a commenter. Other people still can.

3. Reviewing and approving every single comment before they show up.

4. Only allowing people to register through their Facebook account. (I like this idea.)

5. Stopping conversation when the blog trolls are flaming too much.

For more information, check out the link below.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 8:05 AM

Troll on Sara, troll on.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 7:28 AM

Appears the Republican sponsored new American Revolutions is still a go. We have cobbled together what we think are the main issues they want take on.

# Take Healthcare Insurance away from 8 million peeps.

# Stop or prevent a vote on an bipartisan bill already passed by the Senate relating to immigration reform.

# Allow a rancher in Nevada to continue to illegally graze his cows on public land.

# Restrict the rights of people to marry the person they love.

# Restrict the right of women to make decisions about their own bodies.

# Reduce federal money meant to feed the hungry.

# Returning to a McCarthyism type Communist fearing society.

# A theocratic government.

# Socialized golf.

If you are not willing to take up arms for the above issues, we wonder what the people who consider themselves true patriots will think of you.

If you are a woman, are you willing to stand on the frontline to be "his" human shield for his issues.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, May 8, 2014, at 7:18 AM

Brenda: I can't figure out how to post a reply directly to your response. Thank you for letting me know that it had been covered. I don't know how I could have missed it. I have not seen today's paper, just the online version. I'll watch for information in the future.

-- Posted by ItsJustMeAgain on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 7:02 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher:
No problem. Can't say we get it every time but we sure try!!

I think that stands a chance of helping a lot Marilyn.

Like Pale Ale, I do like the idea of the Banter Box being any topic but it is being abused so maybe a politics only blog would reduce the desire for trolls to be posting on the Banter Box.

If others would do the same, or MHN made it a rule that they were willing to enforce, I would not post political stuff on the Banter Box.

The problem if MHN doesn't enforce it, and others continue to post there, is that it will be difficult for me to see false political information on the Banter Box without refuting it.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 2:33 PM

You can say that again.

I actually like the banter box just the way it is. According to te Bbox rules anyone can post anything they want within the rules.

And hey, feel free to sign your name to it if you want to. That is if you don't mind data miners finding out where you live, work and play. Or perhaps checking you out on the Idaho Repository site.

Ms M that was a nice offer. THX

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 2:05 PM

Would you people who like talking politics be interested in posting on a blog? I can open up a blog for you,where you can discuss anything. Then the others can post their information with out it becoming lost on the banter box

-- Posted by hdrider on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 1:37 PM

Would you people who like talking politics be interested in posting on a blog? I can open up a blog for you,where you can discuss anything. Then the others can post their information with out it becoming lost on the banter box

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 11:49 AM

Why do we have to read and hear about these important news stories, using OTHER sources than our own newspaper?


This apparently happened in January and we're just now hearing about it on the news, but not from the Mountain Home News, from the Boise news. I find that to be disturbing.

-- Posted by ItsJustMeAgain on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 10:44 AM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Publisher, MHNews:
I am sorry, but we did list the arrest as we received the information from our sources on 5 February 2014. There was much information that has not been readily available to us as it was a Federal issue. Our paper today also had the updated and most current information we received via press release.

Sam - 2 -saying that a person is multiple people

CB - 4 personal attack and possibly 5 returning to the blog after being kicked off

Dude - 4 personal attack in support of CB's personal attack

-- Posted by Geordey on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 10:40 AM


These guys just keep looking up. Splat.....

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 9:28 AM

Moral majority, I believe that there is a troll on this banter box but it isn't Sara, it isn't me, and it isn't even you or dude. The article below describes a lot about what a troll is, for your and others edification.


The troll is someone that gets on and tries to really make people angry through things like name calling, race baiting, and party baiting. He also, tries to make people's opinions seem not valid by:

1. Calling people cutesy names

2. Implying or flat out stating that multiple people are one person

3. Showing up himself as multiple personnas, something that he accuses others of doing

4. Not staying on topic but instead making personal attacks

5. Returning to the blog under a new name after being kicked off.

There has been some of this behavior from a lot of people, including me, for example.

1. I have in the past called two people cutesy names because they do that to me.

2. I have said that one person is on the blog under multiple names. He is. And he accuses me of that all of the time, as well as Sara, Geordy and anyone that has a liberal opinion.

So Moral majority, I could list the blog misbehaviors that you engage in but I won't, however before you call someone a troll maybe you should take a look at your own behavior.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 8:36 AM

Moral majority; you call us a troll; Then can we assume you have called off your much anticipated Revolution you promised us? Or was that part of the Republican misinformation stream of deception made to fire-up all the Boys. Yee-ha.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 7:53 AM

Troll on sara, troll on.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 7:23 AM

Only 5,729 hours until the Republicans lead Gray-Hair Brigade has promised to have taken the country back through a Revolution.

Contact Moral majority for more information.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 7:13 AM

You seem to have misunderstood me, I agree with you 100%. My comments are for the folks that keep beating the drum, saying that we as human beings have caused it. Which is patently false, like I said its cyclical.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, May 6, 2014, at 2:43 PM

Moral Majority : just what is global warming? This planet is in constant flux mainly due to Volcanic eruptions(produce co2) and other geologic changes like earth quakes. Just what is normal after an ICE AGE that lasted thousands of years. The earth will do what the Earth does, so live with it, or in the case of the Dinosaurs die from it.

-- Posted by Grumpy old man on Tue, May 6, 2014, at 2:19 PM

It seems to me like there are a few reasons why the banter box is a problem and there aren't easy solutions but the following things might help.

1. Allow just one comment in a 24 hour day with a person based on their Userid AND allow just one comment in a 24 hour day with a person based on their IP Address (see the comment about exceptions below).

2. Limit the length of the comment to a certain number of words.

3. Disable userids (do not remove from blog) for a certain length of time for disrespectful behavior, profanity, etc.

4. Look for indicators that a person is being multiple people on a blog and disable userids for a certain time period.

(1) A pattern of changing IP Addresses.

(2) Logging out and logging back in.

5. Add more blogs on various topics of interests: schools, ObamaCare, taxes, etc. where people can comment instead of using the Banter Box.

Handle exceptions for example by allowing people to have the same IP address for a userid if they live in the same home. If they share a computer in the home or on a network, their IP address would be the same.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, May 6, 2014, at 9:56 AM

We are not surprised the Republicans want the Banterbox deleted. It's part of their talking points from Fox News. Don't like it then get rid of it. Case in point;

# Don't like Obama? Make sure he is a 1 term President.

# Don't like ObamaCare? Try to repeal it.

# Don't like the liberals talking truth on the Banterbox ? Shut it down.

We understand Obama is in his second term; ObamaCare is still the law of the land after 50 votes to repeal; Jury is still out on the Banterbox but the admin indicated "changes", not delete.

No need to fret Boys. There is still the promise of a sixth Benghazi congressional witch hunt; the Republican's favorite Nevada ranchers suing the US Government-an entity he doesn't recognize; The fake planning of the big 2014 revolution to take the country back could be fun to watch. It's all so awe-inspiring watching the sun set on the mind of a conservative.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, May 6, 2014, at 7:22 AM

The banter is fun, but I agree some rules might need to be put in place. On one of the sports message boards I read, there are rules in place and you can be suspended from the board for a period of time for breaking the rules. If the person persists, they can be asked to leave all together. There are different message boards for different sports (maybe in this case topics). Seems to work fine.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, May 6, 2014, at 7:01 AM

Require people to go by their real names, no more hiding behind a screen name. Just a thought :)

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 9:42 PM

Right on Brenda :) I'm glad to hear it!!!!

-- Posted by mhg4316 on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 4:31 PM

Well, we need to stop doing that Mm.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 4:06 PM

Once again, WE are NOT causing global warming, period. We are contributeing to it increasing at a greater rate, and thats it.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 2:19 PM

Moral majority, we may not be able to repair the damage that our pollutants have done to the climate but we can stop being one of the worst countries that is destroying the atmosphere, causing global warning.

1. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle

2. Use Less Heat and Air Conditioning

3. Change a Light Bulb to compact fluorescent light bulbs

4. Drive Less and Drive Smart

5. Buy Energy-Efficient Products

6. Use Less Hot Water

7. Use the "Off" Switch (lights, etc.)

8. Plant a Tree

9. Get a Report Card from Your Utility Company

10. Encourage Others to Conserve

These came from the following link:


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 2:15 PM

A cut and paste that sums up illegal immigration in a nut shell.

I challenge ANYONE to provide ONE VALID REASON WHY America should reward illegal aliens with amnesty for their crimes? Can you name one single illegal alien that did not break our laws to come or to stay here? How about one LEGAL immigrant that did? Now unless you are an idiot you know the difference between the two. They say they want immigration reform so let's look at that: TRUE IMMIGRATION REFORM WOULD BE : to deport all illegal aliens immediately, secure the borders, end birthright citizenship, penalize employers that hire them and land lords that rent to them, remove any and all incentives and benefits they receive, make it a felony to harbor them, Stop printing paperwork in a dozen different languages, Make them show ID upon request. THEN once that is done we can take a look at how we allow people to migrate to America LEGALLY. THAT is what reform is about, the way people legally come here. It should have NOTHING to do with rewarding illegal alien criminals with amnesty for their crimes. They whine and say deportation breaks up families yet fail to mention that 40% of our prison population is illegal aliens that are there for no immigration crimes. Nor do they speak of their act of love of abandoning their children in mexico in order to make the journey of sneaking into the USA. That is because every reason they put forth to be here is a lie. I can answer every question I asked and so can every single American citizen. I suspect illegal aliens can answer it too but won't because it would expose all the lies they tell. Only a complete idiot would even consider rewarding these criminals with amnesty for their crimes.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 1:30 PM


The winds of change are starting to blow in the right direction.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 1:22 PM

There is absolutely nothing we can do as human beings to stop or change climate change, its cyclical, we may have contributed to it happening faster, but there is not anything we can do to change its course.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 1:18 PM

According to the Washington Post, Obama is going to start to put more heat on climate change. Pun intended. Here is a link to an article describing just how serious it is. IMO, we need to start doing more to prevent it.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 12:58 PM

Dear MHN,

Do you even realize how ridiculous this banter box is? Its embarrassing and pointless. Nothing positive is hardly ever stated or resolved here . Its twitter or Facebook or Instagram for old people.

Get rid of it.....

-- Posted by mhg4316 on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 11:07 AM
Response by Brenda Fincher Publisher:
I am very aware of it and I am working on it as I type. Changes to come in a couple of weeks. Hang in there!

Here we go, someones delicate senabilities have been rubbed. Whats wrong with the word flippin? Please dont give me the mormon analogy. If he used floppin would that be better? Or is it because it insinuates another word, and that is totally subjective to the reader to deciede. If reading this box causes you such moral grief, I suggest you dont read it! Its called FREEDOM OF SPEACH!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 11:01 AM

You seem to be getting pretty dramatic yourself dude. I don't think that you should be using that word that starts with "F".

Relax a little why don't you?

-- Posted by Geordey on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 8:59 AM


You are also a FLIPPIN DRAMA QUEEN. Don't look up. Your own drama might hit you in the face. Hold on tight, wear your head gear, and enjoy the milk. You live in the west. Have eastern ideas, and did not even know that milk in stores does not come from cows grazing on public range. ABSOLTELY AMAZING!! You might be a little out of place.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 7:51 AM

The Paranoia Wayne Train is getting dangerously unstable and could derail at any time.

According to the Republican clan, no one cares what Wayne thinks or what is on his mind. Yet these same peeps have Wayne on the Brain; here are some of the names they use for a person they say is irrelevant in their lives.

\ Sammy

\ Sam_1776

\ sara-connor

\ Tokyo Rose

\ Local RINO politician

\ wind-up toy

\ stuck on stupid

\ troll

\ coward; "would you just prefer to hide behind your myriad of screen names? Safer that way, isn't it?"

\ Partisan Hack

\ embarrassment; "embarrassment as a citizen of the USA"

\ Infestation; "He only infests this blog"

\ immature.

\ ignorant

\ lock-step liberal

\ a possible Wayne

\ maybe not Wayne

\ liberal sycophant

\ IT Techie

\ Geordey

\ sara

\ liberal bootlicker

\ flippin DRAMA QUEEN

All those "not caring" retorts are from just the first 4 days of May. This smoking gun may prove they not only care but are deeply, deeply, deeply concerned about losing to the Democrats.

Or could it be "Wayne" scares the heck out of Republicans. Is there history between the local Republicans and Wayne; What threatens them so about this man, this myth, this legendary Wayne; they appear to see Wayne the boogeyman behind every end-of-the-world-beginning-of-Obamacare bunker. We bet the secret of Wayne and the Republicans is deliciously sweet and scandalous.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 7:20 AM

When did the Obama administration protect "the cowardly actions of Muslims"? Are you just making this up as you go along, CoolBreeze, or whoever you claim to be this week?

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Sun, May 4, 2014, at 7:17 PM

Dude this seens to be a better example of "drama queen" behavior. It is on Kelly's blog.

"It's easy for you and your alter ego to bloviate and postulate and affirm on a blog. And yet, this is the state of Idaho, where liberal bootlickers. Are a miniscule minority. And they have to hide in the shadow of a blog to spew their hatred."

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:01 AM

-- Posted by Geordey on Sun, May 4, 2014, at 11:40 AM

On the topic of drama and CoolBreeze's latest frenzy over Benghazi and a stupid e-mail, David Corn, the Washington Bureau Chief of Mother Jones explains it well.

"For Obama's political foes, the Benghazi narrative--that is, their reality-challenged version of it--offers too much benefit to be abandoned. It serves three fundamental desires of the right. The get-Obama crusaders have long wanted to show that the president is just another weak-on-defense Democrat, to demonstrate that he is not a real American worthy of being president, and to uncover an explosive scandal that eviscerates Obama's presidency and provides cause for impeachment. Benghazi, in their feverish minds, has had the potential to do all of this. It is a candy store for many conservatives--no matter that the bins are empty. They will not--cannot--let it go. Nor can they simply focus on the real issues of what went wrong that dreadful night and what must be done to prevent another such disaster. They are love-sick for Benghazi. And for that, there is no cure."

-- Posted by Soc7 on Sun, May 4, 2014, at 11:11 AM


Your a flippin DRAMA QUEEN.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, May 4, 2014, at 8:03 AM

Never mind on my question, IT Techie. It occurs to me that the answer may compromise your anonymity.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 7:32 PM

IT_Techie, my situation is different from how CoolBreeze describes his situation. I have read the blog off and on for years. I've been reading and commenting frequently for about a year.

I take it that you work in IT or that you have skills there. May I ask what you do in IT?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 7:28 PM

The use of the word "too" seems to mean in addition. It looks like CB is saying that in addition to himself, Sam, he believes that you have been on the blogs for years under multiple names. You seem to be saying that CB's situation is different from yours? What is your situation?

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 6:30 PM

I remember just weeks ago when I mentioned some of the many names CoolBreeze had been, some of who had been kicked off. He responded to me as if I was Wayne and this is what he said. Note the word "too" in this small excerpt of his response.

"You aren't fooling anyone, Wayne. Those names you accuse me of being were on long before your "Sam" name ever showed up, so the only way you'd know of those names would be if you were on here before, too."

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 7:47 AM

It sounds to me that CoolBreeze is saying that the only way to know a history of the blog would have been to have been on under multiple names. That must be HIS situation if that is what he thinks. Again note the use of the word "too".

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 4:49 PM

I agree DANSHL, the site is like MSNBC on steroids. But it makes me smile.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 11:17 AM

Yeah, Sam, this site is entertaining for sure. Probably not reliable, especially with tabs dedicated to discrediting both the Tea Party movement and Fox News. That's ok, though, I get news from many sources, and long ago learned to take it all in like unsolicited advice.... with a grain of salt!! Sometimes when I read things, I think back to my time as high school newspaper editor and think, this is so slanted, even we would have seen through it!! Just goes to show that all outlets do have a bias, some are just much more open with it!

That Trigg guy seems dangerous for sure, though. I consider myself a Christian, and mostly conservative, but this guy is not for me.

-- Posted by DANSHL on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 11:09 AM

DANSHL here is the original source where I found Darrell Trigg. The web side seems to be new and I don't know how reliable it is but it is interesting IMO and the writing is entertaining. I personally wouldn't rely on it unless it's articles are backed up by a reputable mainstream news source. On the other hand I don't know that much about it.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 9:46 AM

I saw an ad last night with Mitt Romney supporting Mike Simpson for the Congressional race against a tea party backed candidate. It appears that Idaho is getting national attention as the Tea Party tries to replace an incumbent Republican with a Tea Party member. It is trying to do this in several states.


This is what the Tea Party says on their web site:

"A few days ago, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told the New York Times that in 2014, conservative insurgents -- meaning Tea Party supporters -- have no chance against his GOP establishment. "I think we are going to crush them everywhere," said McConnell.

We've got news for the 30-year Senator from Kentucky: if the GOP establishment learned to fight for conservative principles every once in a while, his title might be "Majority Leader" instead of "Minority Leader."

As some of the extreme right wing web sites frequently say: "Shocking!"

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 9:34 AM

CoolBreeze / Free Thinker / Buckshot / Hope4America: you lied and that is the point. You are a blog troll and that is the point.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 9:13 AM

Here you go DANSHL,


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 9:09 AM


Can't find much on this Trigg guy. Can you post a link to his campaign page? Kinda need to see it to believe it!

-- Posted by DANSHL on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 8:26 AM


I really think Sammy is affiliated with the Republican Party here in town, and he is from here. There are a group of Republicans in name only in town, and I think he is one of them. His comments at times, and his reasoning resemble those of a politician. Always on the defensive. He never talks local, because I believe he is actually involved in the local politics. A Democrat disguised as a Republican. After reading Ms. Marylins comment, I think I know him. Considers himself some political wheel.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 8:04 AM

On the contrary CoolBreeze, Darrell may stand a chance of causing a certain defeat for the Republican candidate for President.

Now how about that big whopper you told on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 8:57 PM? You know, the one about me supposedly saying that I wasn't from the Mountain Home area? You've had plenty of time to prove that you weren't lying.

You know, I hate liars and blog trolls!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 6:14 PM

Richard Darrell Trigg is running for President in 2016 as an Independent because God told him to. This is his platform which is cut and pasted from his web site.

Campaign Platform

1. Separation of Church and State will be changed to the Union of Church and State. God will be asked to be an integral part of the government of the U.S.

The national religion of The United States of America will be the Christian religion . Those belonging to other religions, such as Islam, will be free to live and worship here as now, with their own religion; however, the Christian religion will be the one chosen to form the basic moral principles of our nation, to give it a strong moral foundation, and a right relationship with God.

2. Public Schools -- all schools supported by the U.S. Federal and State tax systems:

The Bible will be a standard required subject in all public schools and universities, for all grades , the same as English and Math.

Each day of school will begin with prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance.

The salary and total compensation package of school teachers will be increased.

The total budget for our school system will be increased.

The school day will include one period of physical education that includes 30 minutes of exercise four days per week.

3. Homosexuality will not be recognized legally, or in any other manner, by the United States government or any state, city, or county government.

4. Public - Traded Corporations :

The income and other compensation, received by the managers and officers of public - traded corporations will be limited to $300,000 per year.

5. The income of coaches of sports teams at universities will be limited to $300,000 per year .

6. The legal drinking age will be increased to 25 for any alcoholic beverage.

Alcohol will not be allowed on university campuses.

7. Marriage and the family will be protected by the following :

Marriage will be defined as the union of one woman with one man.

The legal age for marriage will be 22.

A couple wishing to get married must first attend Christian marriage counseling classes.

Divorce will only be allowed in cases of abuse, infidelity, or incarceration.

The penalties for abuse and infidelity will include large fines and jail time.

Married couples who become pregnant must attend Christian parenting classes.

8. The rating system for movies and T.V. shows will be drastically overhauled :

No show or movie will be allowed on T.V. systems or computer systems accessible by homes that contain nudity, strong sexual content, excessive foul language, blasphemy, or any form of homosexuality.

9. Abortion will only be legal in situations where the child has a small probability of living and the pregnancy is placing the life of the mother in extreme risk.

10. Industries in the United States ( U.S.) that have suffered from foreign competition with much lower labor pay rates, lower employee compensation costs, and lower environmental compliance costs will be assisted and protected. Assistance will include financial help in building or refurbishing manufacturing plants and training employees and low capital gains taxes. Protection will include tariffs on imported goods in order to establish a market fair for these U.S. industries. These tariffs will be used to help prevent inflation on these manufactured goods.

11. The Welfare Department will be overhauled. This overhaul will include training welfare recipients for jobs that match their abilities. The financial responsibilities of caring for children of mothers who are not married will be shared by the father .

12. The insurance and medical system of the U.S. will be overhauled. Employers will be required to provide insurance for their employees. The costs of medical services and pharmaceuticals will be reviewed. These will be offered at a fair price without excessive profit for the providers.

13. Illegal immigration laws will be enforced . Laws will be passed to assist this enforcement.

14. Several laws will be reviewed, including several statute -of-limitations.

15. Marijuana will not be legal except for medicinal purposes.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 2:31 PM

Do you know how this piece of human excrement killed that girl, he raped her, shot her with a shotgun and buried her alive. I wish it would have taken days for him to die, and that it was on TV for everybody to watch! Any crime in which you can be shot dead in the commission of, should be the result of said crime. I hope he suffered terribily until the last moment!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 12:50 PM

Here is something for the Tea Party Fans. Apparently the botched execution where someone suffered for 40+ minutes before dying is A-OK according to the Tea Party Nation founder, Judson Phillips.

Of course the 8th Amendment to the Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights, prohibits cruel and unusual punishment but maybe Judson hasn't read the constitution?


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 11:54 AM



-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 11:23 AM

The democratic mindset:


-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 9:18 AM

There is some good news on the economy today. The jobless rate is lower than it has been since 2008. According to Bloomberg:

"Americans are the most upbeat about finding a "quality job" than at any time since January 2008, according to Gallup data released April 25. A separate survey by the Conference Board shows the proportion of consumers who said jobs would become more plentiful in the next six months climbed in April to the highest level since January."

This supports the Feds earlier optimism that the economy is slowly improving.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 8:38 AM

I'm thinking Sam has some sort of political affiliations. I'll bet these affiliations are on the Republican ticket. Republicans in name only??

Sam, what do you know about the local political workings?? Are you involved with education in any way?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 7:46 AM

Ah Sara, what a troll you are.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 7:33 AM

There are only 243 days left for the Grey-Haired Brigade Revolution.

Moral_majority, CoolBreeze83647 and the other Benghazi crazed Republicans promised they would take their country back in the year 2014; Well?

Will they freget to put thar womanfolk and childrens on the front line like dem patriot Bundy heroes in Nevada; Will the Grey-Haired Brigade have enough clean guns left after finding their 412th Benghazi smoking gun in the last 2 years.

Tick, tock Boys. The Continental Army is boarding the Republican Misinformation Train in Mountain Home this week.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 7:24 AM

CoolBreeze you need to try to think logically. You said that I said that I said that I am not from the Mountain Home area That is an easily provable fact, if it was true. Find where I said that and then you have your proof.

Unfortunately, for you that was a lie so therefore you can't find where I said that.

On Benghazi and the 13 Bush Benghazi's, I prefer to get my information from reputable sources and that wouldn't be you.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 11:20 PM

Oh, I see CoolBreeze. You don't have TIME to prove your lie. Right! Everyone believes that!

I'll remember to remind you of this lie and your failure to back it up every once in a while.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 10:50 PM

It's time to call you on one of your many lies CoolBreeze. I never said that I am not from the Mountain Home area because that isn't true. If you are telling the truth name the date and time that I made that incredible revelation. Go ahead, I dare you.

I'm not going to keep discussing with a Tea Party bobble head something that Republicans have had a chance to try to prove for quite a while now but have failed. The new e-mail shows that one government employee was advising that Susan Rice emphasize the video.

Let's get mad at him IF he didn't believe that the video wasn't the cause of the attack, and not claim that Obama and Hilary Clinton lied.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 9:41 PM

Yes, CoolBreeze please continue to support your claim that there are no liberals living in Mountain Home so therefore anyone that disagrees with you is just one person, your old nemesis Wayne, who doesn't live in Mountain Home.

CoolBreeze's apparent "proof" that Obama and Hillary Clinton lied is the video he linked to. On it Clinton said two key things.

1. The reason was a horrible video which incited a riot which led to the storming of the embassy.

2. The United States would punish the terrorists who killed those people.

Obama said one key thing.

1. The United States would find and punish the terrorist who killed those people.

This isn't new news. This was from September 2012.

The new news is that another e-mail was released by the White House under the Freedom of Information Act because it is right and lawful to do so, and that e-mail was more of the same previous e-mails discussed in months of Republican witch hunts to try to prevent Obama's re-election.

What is also new is the 2014 elections where Republicans want to dredge Benghazi up again. They will do it again in 2016 if Hillary Clinton runs.

Yet with all of these investigation if your claims are true, why can't anyone prove it? It WAS a terrible video and it did make people in the Middle East mad. It turned out to not be the cause of Benghazi.

I notice that the Tea Party isn't spending a lot of time yet on this and none of the right wing news agencies that I can see are claiming fresh evidence that anyone lied. I really think that as a true Tea Party bobble head you should check back with Party Central and see if they want you making those claims right now.

Now lets talk nostalgically about the 13 Benghazi's under Bush since we like to dredge up the old and tired past.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 6:32 PM

Fast forward to the present May 2014, not the past year May 2013 and read the Skinny


By the way, I have met and talked to Sam and he is not who you think he is! You would be surprised how he can walk among us and you don't know its Sam

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 5:19 PM

They dont live here??? No wonder they dont like talking about local events, I am disappointed now.

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 5:15 PM

Oh Dude you are still shaking things up, your comment did make me laugh though, love that camel commercial.

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 4:06 PM

That's too bad about the store. It is part of a major corporation that hasn't made its revenue guidelines so they've probably been trimming down on the stores with lower profits. Not too long ago they were hiring so this might have come as a surprise to some of the employees.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 3:04 PM

I seen a going out of business sign at Family Dollar. Another empty building in our town!

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 2:27 PM


And yet even more bad news about Obama care, what a wounderfull thing it is.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 2:25 PM



-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 1:38 PM


A little more on Obama care.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 12:09 PM

Lying CoolBreeze? You are saying that Obama and Hillary Clinton were caught lying however, not even the Blaze and your higher ranking Tea Party bobble head, Glenn Beck, is making that claim.

It would appear that you are the one lying and you are getting no back up from your favorite sources of information.

As "The Blaze" likes to say, "Shocking". Maybe you should wait for further instructions from the Tea Party before making further claims.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 10:41 AM

What a role model he is for the Republican party.


-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 10:27 AM

Mabye you should go to the Bundy ranch and tell them how you feel, Im sure they will give you the attention you so justly deserve.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 9:51 AM

So says the Extreme Right according to a Tea Party bobble head.

I'd find this more credible if the same time and attention had been paid to Bush's 13 "Benghazis" which the Blaze, Fox News, and bobble heads all over the country apparently weren't concerned about.

There is something worrisome on the news, however. There are reports that residents of Cliven Bundy's community want the heavily armed extreme right militia to leave. This armed "militia" from all over the country are stopping residents and demanding that they prove their residence. I am afraid that someone will get too trigger happy and lives will be lost.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 9:22 AM

No, they don't CoolBreeze. If you looked a little deeper into this, you would find that this is just more e-mails between underlings in the CIA and White House, discussing the talking points for Rice on the Benghazi incident before she goes on some Sunday morning talk shows.

The news is that "conservatives" are going to use it as fodder for their elections this year. Ho Hum, what a surprise!

Speaking of "hateful rhetoric", you just said "And all you can do is spew your immature and hateful rhetoric? Any wonder why so many on this blog don't take you serious?"

Who is being hateful?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 8:08 AM

CoolBreeze83647; we were quite sure you posted that Benghazi conspiracy article thinking it would give us an "aneurysm". We knew deep down you got all your news from The Blaze and Glen Beck and there it is for the whole world to see. Must be embarrassing.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 8:04 AM

Apparently we were a little confused about what filled the milk containers in the our local communist government grocery stores; the cow or the dairy.

Don't quote us but we heard **

According to the secret Republican history book that was quietly revised in mid-2009 just to include this; "Obama decreed "Milk comes from a dairy" not cows. When asked about this radical change, the author of the uniquely Republican history book, Dr Seuss said "we gotta have stuff; stuff to stuff in the Obama Benghazi bus; the thing; things only the right wing believe; Benghazi; to scare; to scare; to scare the white hairs; Benghazi cows I'll tell you How".

We thank our local car seeker for the Republican answer; "Milk comes from a dairy". And to think, we thought milk came from cows.

Marching practice is over for the year Boys. The Republican Misinformation Train will be stopping only at the end-of-the-world-beginning-of-Obamacare bunkers until the revolution starts.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 7:10 AM

Me too peeps. Sorry if I offended you Sara. Not so much you Sam. Peeps you seem pretty much on track. Breeze we need to play a round sometime.

May God Bless our families, town, schools, and country.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 6:49 AM

Ok my hands are sore from being slapped. I was being immature, I just got caught up in the silliness of it all. 😋

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 8:34 PM

This forum can be a reflection of this community and some of you are making it an embarrassment, arguing back and forth like a bunch of children.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 7:32 PM

All you need to be to post here. Too many absolute one sided liberals. Their posts have nothing to do with anything really important. Like I said before, if Liberals and Conservatives can't sit down and agree what's best regardless of party, might as well be 5 and have a little fun.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 3:55 PM

CoolBreeze, reallymhpeeps, and dude are all about 5 years old?

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 3:20 PM

Clap your hands everyone, for Sam has an ability to speak/write Spanish. Of course we all can type something and have it translated with the click of a button. I just love this blog, just gets better all the time for a good laugh

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 1:44 PM


If you do happen to look up while milking those beef cattle, not to worry. Range grass I'm quite sure is organic, so it will cause you no further brain damage. By gosh it appears you may qualify for a position on the Democratic Party campaign staff. You might hold of on the Chinese until they completely own this country.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 1:38 PM

Wow Sam, you are getting way to confused trying to keep up being Sammy and Sara, maybe you should back off a bit and a re-group.

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 1:30 PM

Little Dude, nice try, on trying to recover from your embarrassment on making a comment about Sara and addressing it to me.

reallymhpeeps, thanks for the Spanish lesson but if you knew anything about Spanish you would realize that tio should not be capitalized. It does not just mean uncle, it has also come to mean friend so clearly Little Dude is misusing the word. -- Good job Kool-Aid Buzz on bringing her out to support you!

Kool-Aid Buzz, I had no aneurism and enjoyed responding to your stupid imaginings. Sara didn't respond at all. You on the other hand almost seem red-faced in your response. You should have your blood pressure frequently checked so that big ugly thing doesn't pop.

Little Dude, maybe you should learn some correctly written Spanish, because you can't keep those of Spanish heritage, Chinese heritage, and so on, down. You and your children will be working for them because you aren't smart enough to keep up, and you can't keep them down.

Por cierto la gente, la empresa para la que trabajo es una compañ'a internacional. Yo ten'a dos años de español en la escuela secundaria, más en la universidad, y, más recientemente, mi empresa ha estado teniendo a practicar con Rosetta Stone para prepararse para un viaje a América del Sur. Adios!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 1:22 PM


If you and your liberal friends are serious about running this country, you best learn a little Spanish. You don't want to offend all those that got you into office in the first place. If you stay in office, I suggest learning a lot of Chinese. Remember don't look up.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 12:46 PM

Tio=Uncle in Spanish, just to clarify, I am assuming he is calling you Tio Sam=Uncle Sam. Just my thoughts, and remember don't look up!!

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 12:31 PM


No I was not. You're so far out there I thought you might join her in milking beef cattle. Don't forget your rope and head gear. Now be careful not to look up. You might get hit in the face with some liberal rhetoric.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 12:25 PM

Little Dude, I believe that you are making fun AGAIN of Sara on the milk thing. Are you now calling her Tio? You are a strange little guy aren't you?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 11:54 AM


I just saw a herd of cattle on State ground I believe that need milking. Don't forget your head gear. Now not all bulls have horns so be careful which ones you try to milk.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 10:59 AM

Kool-Aid Buzz, when did you learn so much about liberals unless secretly you wish that you were one? On your things that you think/wish were true about what liberals hate, I've responded.

Top 10 imaginings from Kool-Aid Buzz about Liberals.

1.Guns - They don't as a group hate guns. My sister is a conservative and hates guns. I own guns.

2.The Founders - Not true. In fact some of us know more about them than you do, for example, they disagreed on the direction that the country needed to go JUST LIKE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS DO NOW.

3.Nosy and noisy voters who keep asking, "What change?" "Why?" "Forward to where, exactly?" - No, we mostly hate idiotic people, like yourself and Little Dude who refuse to truly examine an issue honestly.

4.Young entrepreneurs who want to sell lemonade from lemonade stands without getting government's permission. - False again on two fronts (1) we don't hate young entrepreneurs selling lemonade and (2) government doesn't try to control lemonade sales from young entrepreneurs doing business on their sidewalk. You apparently love to interject some wish for government control in things however.

5.Sarah Palin - I do dislike Sarah Palin, although that doesn't rise to the level of hate, because like you and Little Dude she is an idiot.

6.The "right-wing" internet media which insists on telling the truth about what politicians actually do instead of concentrating on what they say. - The noteworthy day when Fox News, as a prime example, can provide balanced, honest, reporting will be a day to remember. Until then I won't be quoting from them and will laugh at those who do.

7.Minorities who think Democrats will make their lives better with other people's money and then get noisy when they don't. - Hate minorities? That's new. We don't hate minorities because they help us win elections and we want to help them continue to improve their circumstances.

8."Patriots" who love their country and keep grousing about the feds not following the Constitution. - We love Patriots because we are Patriots. Get a clue. We hate people that grouse about things that simply aren't true.

9.People who judge Obama's administration on the basis of what it has actually accomplished. - On the contrary we would like to see you and others judge based on facts. Wouldn't that be a special day for us all?

10.People who think they should be allowed to buy any light bulb they please. - No we don't hate those people, and like in the lemonade falsehood, that is government control that you are trying to scare people about.

This is what I as a moderate liberal hate: lying, plagiarism, racism and other forms of bigotry. Try to keep those to a minimum Kool Aid Buzz.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 10:20 AM

You might want to check that Health Insurance policy to see if it covers being kicked in the head by a cow on federal property.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 7:44 AM

Sara Dear,

You don't milk beef cattle. Milk comes from a dairy. Feel free to try, but I might suggest some protective head gear.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 7:38 AM

Sound off Boys. We're 15 days past the deadline to sign up for ObamaCare. We know all you law-abiding Republicans now have health insurance and we're worried about you.

# Anyone get caught in one of those death panels you were all scared about.

# Are you having uncontrollable urges to sing the Red Russian national anthem in your bunkers.

# Are you finding it hard to resist the urge to move to that local commune located next to a real FEMA camp.

# Are all the government grocery stores fully stocked or are there sweeping shortages of government grass-fed Bundy beef and milk.

We hear the US Government is still functioning. Looks like the sun rose today; in the East no less. So please sound off; are you still alive in your end-of-the-world-beginning-of-Obamacare bunker.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 7:26 AM


I'm a little disappointed, my list never made Letterman. We must work on a new one. That would be fun.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 7:22 AM


We agree on something. This guy is racist to a degree that I could never imagine. Sad.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 7:20 AM

Donald Sterling is banned for life from the NBA for being a racist. It's about time.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 6:02 PM


Very Good. You have lightened up.

1. Absolutely

2. Most

3. Did not say that. Just wondering why $1 mill. +

4. Usually

5. Most

6. Did not say that. Do not know the whole story.

7. Absolutely

8. Right now can't even get the reading, writing

and arithmetic. Why add more.

9. Most are. If your going to play the game,

your fair game. Not because of your gender.

If your feelings get hurt that easy, stay on

the porch.

10. Just having fun responding to the babble.

No question is a stupid question.

I will make sure to watch David Letterman tonight.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 3:52 PM

Top 10 Stupid beliefs of dudewheresmycar.

Number 1 - He is funny.

Number 2 - liberals don't have business sense.

Number 3 - Cliven Bundy is right to get the use of federal land for free.

Number 4 - He can recognize someone on welfare because of the way that they dress.

Number 5 - People are on welfare because they don't want to work.

Number 6 - It's okay for a jailer to push a woman so hard that she hits a wall if she caused problems before.

Number 7 - Golf welfare is acceptable.

Number 8 - Education beyond reading, writing, and arithmetic is not needed and is dangerous. Taxpayers needto save their money to fund golf.

Number 9 - All women are into losing weight and are fair game for denigration because of their gender.

Number 10 - If you don't have anything to say, heckle or ask stupid questions.

-- Posted by Geordey on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 1:51 PM

Hmmm, no wind. I need to go out and zero in on some pop cans just in case there is a Gray-Haired Geezer uprising.

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 1:21 PM


A day with no wind is far more significant than your left of left babble. Enjoy your day.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 12:05 PM

Nothing significant to add, as usual, Little Dude?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 11:34 AM

Finally a day with no wind. Well, almost.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 11:19 AM

Awhile back a blog writer wrote a blog complaining about an entitlement disorder. She didn't seem to be talking about the entitled wealthy.

Tea Party seems to be interested in supporting the continued entitlement of the wealthy, so I'll mention them to see what you all think.


1. Cliven Bundy - Didn't pay for letting his cattle graze on public lands for two decades. -- The Tea Party has since abandoned him because he REVEALED himself as a racist. In the Tea Party racism is allowed but you aren't allowed to REVEAL it.

2. Stephen Schwarzman - Says that criticism of the rich in America is like the Nazis persecuting Jews. Really, Stephen?

3. Cam Find - When the surcharge on the biggest Financial firms was proposed in Congress, he said "we're going to beat this like a rented mule". Since the House is dominated by the Republican Party which is still being manipulated by the Tea Party he may be right.

4. Jack Gerard - Runs the American Petroleum Institute and claims that the oil companies are not getting their multi-billion dollar annual subsidies which they do indeed get. d

5. The Koch brothers - These guys own companies that are polluting our air. They spend hundreds of millions on extreme right wing "think tanks" which are really propaganda entities for the Tea Party, and they spend hundreds of million on supporting Tea Party candidates.

6. Mitt Romney - Accused 47 percent of Americans as "takers" while admitting around the same time period that he, himself, only paid 14.1 percent in taxes.

If your aren't wealthy and you think that the system is against you, you are right. Many of the middle class voters are not impressed by the Tea Party support of this sense of entitlement from the wealthy, and we've noticed that the Republicans are STILL being led by them.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 10:40 AM

It doesn't surprise us moral_majority has come out of the closet and admitted he is a member of the Grey-Haired Brigade. His opinions on the issues closely follow the 70's mindset; The 1770's. Giving us another cut and paste Republican manifesto writing is right on target for the revolutionite crowd these days. We often wonder if any Republican has an original thought in their brain but we see they don't; they cut and paste anything over 2 paragraphs.

Here is our response the Grey-Haired Brigade mass mailed letter;

# Democrats nor the young peeps that helped elect Obama don't have buyers remorse.

# Democrats are quite happy with the direction this country is heading. We expected more progress but the regressive's have slowed forward momentum down.

# We don't fight for the Socialist States of America but if it makes you feel better to think our current military is, then you haven't learned a thing in your long life.

# Thank you for the huge sacrifices you made in WWII. But unless a country attacks us, we're done fighting wars for awhile. Coming out of the longest wartime era ever in our history, we say no more.

# Wars are something to avoid at all costs and not something to put on your generations resume.

# 2014 is the year of the Conservative Revolution and the Grey-Haired Brigade promises to take back their nation huh. We've heard this Tea Party call to action since 2010. Get on with it or some of us may think you're just a bunch of kids playing Continental Army man. 2014? Only eight more months left to find your Lexington and Concord.

Choo choo Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 8:56 AM

I was just fishing Tio. I'll try a different bait later.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 7:54 AM

Little Dude, time to get yourself a dictionary.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 7:37 AM

Good Morning Tio Sammy,

If I may ask you a question. What would be your definition of middle class?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 7:08 AM

In the Wednesday April 23,2014 paper there was an accident report that states wrong information. It states that driving to fast for road conditions was a possible factor in the crash. The correct info should state that visibility was zero and the lady stopped her car not a van in the MIDDLE of the road. The truck was pulling over and struck the car in the rear. The lady was treated and released and NOT seriously injured. The truck driver was NOT at fault.

-- Posted by transplanted on Mon, Apr 28, 2014, at 7:50 PM

I heard a good quote today from an unnamed source but I thought it was worth repeating. "The right's biggest problem is its own echo chamber, which convinces them to focus on stuff like this (Cliven Bundy) instead of issues that matter to most middle-class Americans."

What seems to be "echoing" around here is:

1. The Attorney General's idea of early release for some prisoners with minor crimes based on equity and cost savings isn't liked by Moral majority. As a middle class taxpayer, I think it is a fine idea.

2. Kool-Aid Buzz would like to convince people that Obama and Clinton are following a radical socialist's teachings. As a middle class taxpayer, I'm bored with the old socialist, communists claims coming from the extreme right.

3. Little Dude provides the cheering squad to support the Extreme Right commenters, as he himself seems to make every effort to convince us that he is a misogynist. As a middle class taxpayer, I don't like followers and think that he is more that, then a misogynist.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Apr 28, 2014, at 4:31 PM

Before I get slammed from Tio Sam and Sara Dear,

Very good job cut and pasting.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 28, 2014, at 12:33 PM

Moral Majority,

Very well said.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 28, 2014, at 12:32 PM

More disreguard for our countries laws from the current Hunta.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Apr 28, 2014, at 12:31 PM


Well PRAISE THE LORD....... and pass out the bug bombs!

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Mon, Apr 28, 2014, at 11:42 AM

A cut and paste from the Greatest generation:


typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47

times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an

analysis of census data released Monday. If all of us "old farts" have all of

the money, then let us try to elect someone who might be near honest and not be

after feathering their own nests.


like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases

dinosaurs. Some of us are "Baby Boomers" getting ready to retire. Others have

been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and

hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children,

worshiped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as

being over the hill, and that is probably true. But before writing us off

completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into



school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead

America into the technological age. Most of us remember what outhouses were,

many of us with firsthand experience.

We remember the days of telephone

party-lines, 25 cent gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes.

For those of you who don't know what an icebox is, today they are electric


referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started

with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.


are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few

things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War

II, fought in Korea and Viet Nam . We can quote

The Pledge of Allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We

wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the

battlefield. We didn't fight for the Socialist States of America ; we fought for

the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." We wore different uniforms but

carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangled Banner, America ,

and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down

our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read in history

books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America .


we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight

left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now

we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away

from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and

domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to

destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going

to remain silent.


was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic

Congress. You fell for the "Hope and Change" which in reality was nothing but

"Hype and Lies."


have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like

it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their

careers or "Climbing the Social Ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as

patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the "Great Lie" in 2008 are

now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have

sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the 'Kool-Aid.' Now

you're paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages,

higher taxes, and less freedom.


is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch

of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.


don't worry youngsters, the Grey-Haired Brigade is here, and in 2014 we are

going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like

but we get where we're going, and in 2014 we're going to the polls by the



land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy

Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to "We the

People" and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope

this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our

grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of

Allegiance, Stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and

thank God for the old geezers of the "Grey-Haired Brigade."


This is spot on. I am another Gray-Haired Geezer signing on. I will

circulate this to other Gray-Haired Geezers all over this once great



you feel the ground shaking???

It's not an earthquake, it is a

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Apr 28, 2014, at 9:54 AM

Kool-Aid Buzz, do you even know the original source of your plagiarized comment? If you want any of your information to be credible you need to do a little more work than doing a search on "Barack Hillary Bad" and copying and pasting some unknown, lying, comments as your own lying comments.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Apr 28, 2014, at 7:45 AM

Our sweet car seeker believes we have a need to belong; just belong anywhere, like we're lost; and because of that need, we write what we write; how quaint. He then decides we're too tied up in this party thing; political party thing. His suggestion to us is to "seek help". We thank him for his diagnosis and advice.

We would like to point out a few things in case you think our opinions are about the "party thing" and not about issues.

# Who champions subsidized golf, tennis, bmx bike, motor cycle track, baseball fields, soccer fields, swimming pool, sewer and trash service, animal shelter, airport, library, parks, street cleaning et al.

# Who has voted 51 times to repeal or defund the ACA.

# Who attempts to pass laws that will legalize discrimination.

# Who cheers people who state "waterboarding is how we should baptize terrorists".

# Who takes a stand against funding education.

# Who would rather cattle get free food and let the citizens go hungry.

# Who thinks women getting paid less for doing the same work is acceptable.

The Republicans have these issues wrapped up all neat and pretty. If they want to call this a "party thing", let freedom ring. We'll continue to point out how Republicans stand on the issues. All we ask of you is to do your own research before blindly supporting the conservative ideology.

Rumors are the Boys are losing confidence in the Paranoia Wayne Train. Ridership on the Republican Misinformation Train is skyrocketing. Marching practice all week at the golfball course Boys. Be there in your best Alinsky fighting uniforms.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Apr 28, 2014, at 7:23 AM

Uh, CoolBreeze, and to help mhpeeps out that is also Kool-Aid Buzz and not Little Dude, your entire post seems to be a PLAGARIZED from an unknown source but virused throughout the Internet on right wing sights. No records are sealed, as the original post said, but good try on the real writer to interject a conspiracy into it.

BTW mhpeeps, Kool-Aid Buzz and Little Dude wouldn't have names that they and you don't like except that they like to call people by other names so I think that they like that and so try to accommodate them. There is nothing like a cute nickname.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Apr 27, 2014, at 9:00 PM

Do Republicans understand there is a service on the internet where one can freely research crazy right wing manifesto mass e-mail letters designed to scare their base into doing more crazy stuff?

Do a Google, Bing, Yahoo search on CoolBreeze83647's Saul Alinsky related post yourself.

Republicans; only for when the issues, facts and the truth doesn't matter.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Apr 27, 2014, at 7:58 PM

Yes Sam it is hilarious that I was mistaken who you were referring to with your Kool aid buzz thing. I see now it was meant for cool breeze, or at least I think so, my bad, but that is what I get for trying to make sense of your hog wash!

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Sun, Apr 27, 2014, at 10:22 AM

ALL, one and the same? Hmmm?

-- Posted by MrMister on Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 6:02 PM

Reallymhpeeps I think its hilarious that you imagine that anyone said you were Little Dudes wife.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 12:19 PM


Dated a girl once that went by Sam. Could it be??

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 12:14 PM

Coolbreeze you affectionately called me peeps also. Great now their heads are really going to spin, can't imagine what non sense Sam will come up with now!!

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 9:34 AM

Hahahahaha, now I am dudes wife?! Hilarious, Sammy you are too much! Uh-oh is calling you Sammy being to affectionate?! Cause I couldnt handle being accused of being anothers persons wife, Did that once and that was enough to last a lifetime!!

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 9:27 AM


At my work place the women are the ones guilty of sexual harassment. Our women have a lot of confidence and self esteem. They can make you blush with the best of them. At my work place, we are people, we do not distinguish between men and women.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 7:39 AM

It looks like there has been a little hysteria judging from the multiple posts from Kool-Aid Buzz and his alter ego or wife whom he affectionately calls peeps.

Oh well I guess there is some consequences for someone that has appeared as many characters, all with the same arrogance.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 12:43 AM

Geordey, I assure you I am not a "he" I was born female and yes 40 years later I still am one. I understand each has an opinion, but I am not going to come on here trying to prove that I am right and you are wrong.

I support those truly in need who get assistance, not the ones who make it a way of life. I even happen to support our President, may not agree on every little detail but I do respect that he was elected to be our President.

And I do have the ability to read between the lines and get when someone is trying to be funny or even trying to get some of you all wound up.

So please dont play your silly game of calling me a He or claim that I am pretending to be someone I am not.

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 11:12 PM

Someone swore to us before that he was neither Democrat or Republican and therefore saw both sides and was therefore legendary in his mind on his opinion being much better than others. That kind of ego would be hard to find in multiple people.

Also it was very obvious that his political views were extreme right so he lied.

I think Sam might be onto something. There is a pattern.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 9:04 PM

Almost made it a full week before his mind spins out of control. Then again, he is starting to sound like our other out of control Republican; Choo Choo Boys.

*** Your goading won't work anymore, Sammy/sara. You simply are not worth talking to. However, should you ever want to meet face to face to air out differences, I'd be more than happy to comply. Until then, your childish antics, playground insults, and sheer stupidity will continue, I suppose.

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Sat, Apr 19, 2014, at 6:55 AM ***

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 9:02 PM

Oops I forgot a "S" on speechless, please dont be too hard on me!

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 8:39 PM

So now because I agree with something that someone has said, I am that person?? Your non sense leaves me speechles.......

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 8:35 PM

Hmmmmmmmmm. It looks like not so Cool is trying to deflect us from noticing that he has created another Free thinker clone. Nice try, Sheriff WantaBe.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 7:35 PM

Dude if you don't like what sara says why not provide arguments in favor of your position instead of the "Sara dear" crap? If you did that in the workplace you'd be getting advice about illegal sexual harassment.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 6:14 PM

Reallymhpeeps you used a couple phrases and claims made by Kool-Aid Buzz. I know that when he gets lonely he likes to add a new character to agree with him so I goes you are here for that but eventually his secret self is revealed. So go the way of GetRealNow and entertained by idiots and keep trying to support K A B whose claims are unsupportable.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM


I like to keep it light and joke on here a bit. I recently advised Sara Dear to seek help. No kidding, seek help. I believe health insurance will cover most of the bill.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 4:55 PM


No shoes, no shirt, wearing pajamas, no service.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 4:15 PM

It's a matter of self respect also. Just cause you need and/or want assistance, doesn't give you permission to be trashy, or wear your PJ's to the store.

I don't consider myself an elephant or a donkey, I have an open mind and see both sides of the fence.

I don't need to walk around with my hands on my hips claiming that I am democrat/republican and therefore I am right.

The braying is getting old......

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 4:06 PM

Too bad you aren't allowed to dictate a dress code for the underprivileged at Wal-mart, Little Dude.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 3:35 PM

Nothing to do with paying for affordable health care. I have no problem when people do their part. If you do not have enough respect for yourself and your children to clothe properly before going grocery shopping at Walmart, and then pull out one of the red white and blue plastic cards, I feel that is pathetic. At least have enough respect for your children to properly dress before going out. In pajamas ? REALLY

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 2:31 PM

Little Dude, your style is shown by when you said "I saw one of those free grazing cows from Nevada in the Mountain Home Walmart parking lot. Will somebody tell that cow there is no free grazing in Mountain Home until the 1st of the month."

Another example is shown when you said "Careful out there. It's the 1st day of the month. Shop in your pajamas day. Red, White and Blue liberal furnished plastic everywhere."

Yes, you don't like any assistance except when you want it. Your lack of respect for people that you don't even know is pathetic.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 2:25 PM


I do not believe that I have ever commented on the health insurance issue. I don't see how it will have that large of impact on me or my family financially. Insurance companies on the other hand, well that might be a different story. I have spoken to a few that under the program are required to get insurance or be fined, but as is cannot really afford it or do not want it. Oh, by the way, I usually tend to speak for myself and family not friends. I do have friends that are both a bit more liberal as well as conservative, but we tend to keep an open mind.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 12:44 PM

Little Dude, you have missed the point that you and your friends have your hands out loving the idea of tax payers paying for what you want however you seem to hate the idea of people who couldn't get insurance before now being able to get insurance.

BTW Sara congratulations on your business!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 9:42 AM

How far right do I have to be to not be considered a rhino?

-- Posted by yoB on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 9:36 AM

Sara Dear,

I suggested "You" seek help. Who is "us" ?? Your too tied up in this party thing. Maybe a way to belong?? I don't know, but seems that way. Oh, most municipal services are subsidized. Golf, tennis, bmx bike, motor cycle track, baseball fields, soccer fields, swimming pool, sewer and trash service, animal shelter, airport, library, parks, street cleaning etc....

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 8:16 AM

Anyone else think this describes our Presidents actions?

Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 7:29 AM

Republicans say they are all about personal responsibility; they're not. And just recently our friendly little car seeker was so concerned about us, he jokingly pleaded for us to get help. At the same time our local out of control Republican and ACA rager posts an article about the ACA; About how outraged they are the entire ACA hasn't been enacted; yet the law they want repealed. We would think the entire Republican Party would be so dizzy from the spin they place on everything that they couldn't think straight; Oh wait, we've already pointed out they are becoming more and more irrational; from the spin?

In a rare moment of speaking for just myself, I'll give you insight into just how different life is on the liberal side of life. So here goes rarity; The job I had at the end of 2013 was good. Enough to support my family but not good enough to provide insurance. I knew this and took the job in the middle of Red State USA. The ACA or ObamaCare came along and forced me to buy health insurance; health insurance that is a financial burden but my family can and already has visited a doctor. We got help and we are happy.

One of the benefits of getting ObamaCare insurance is the ability to start my own business. It gave me the confidence to quit a job I thoroughly enjoyed but start something all mine. A job that didn't come with the gender salary cut. A job where I couldn't be discriminated against by the boss. A job where my political views didn't need to be hidden from the boss. A job where certain social issues wouldn't land me in the unemployment line.

You Boys sound so confident and sure of yourself when you say the ACA is horrible or worse than slavery. I suspect you are talking from the other side of that fence; the side where your employer provides health insurance, retirement benefits of some kind and you already have some job security. The sun started shining brightly on this side of the fence despite all the Republican ugliness heaped upon the ACA. ObamaCare works for me and works for a lot of people. So why do Republicans heap hate on something most will never have to deal with.

At this point in my life, I feel like nothing can stop me; nothing at all. I attribute this to the ACA and not having to deal with the typical Republican neanderthals in the workplace. I believe my insurance policy will be subsidized by taxes just like your golfball course, local airport and 20 years of illegal grazing. Welfare is in the hands of the takers Boys. -- Sara

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 7:25 AM


The Democratic Party, the Washington Post, and now your niece (?). This country will remain a mess until people learn to fend and think for themselves. Just try looking at something, and ask your self what would be right thing to do. You may find it quite different from what a political party or news paper suggests. Remember they are influenced and funded by special interest groups, not by ones own heart.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 7:20 AM

My 19 year old neice says that you CB are "mistaken and an idiot" but she always was my favorite neice.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Apr 24, 2014, at 11:35 PM

To those who say they don't mind having afgans military stationed here at mountain Airforce base. Watch the nbc nightly news tonight. Now till me they are not our enemies. Wake up mountain home and Idaho political officials. We don't want them here.

-- Posted by Idaho83647 on Thu, Apr 24, 2014, at 5:38 PM

Bundy is representative of an undercurrent of racism in this country. I'm seeing a pattern in that the people that support Bundy are the same people that are afraid that the government wants to take their guns and put them in FEMA camps.

These same people hate welfare but don't mind if he helps himself to government land for his cattle or if their golf is subsidized.

These people say they aren't racists but they really hate the president and attorney general who are black. Yes they hate Hillary Clinton too but that is because she is a woman and that is a whole different type of discrimination.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Apr 24, 2014, at 3:54 PM


More of the same old deciet from this administration.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Apr 24, 2014, at 12:34 PM

The Tea Party is backing away from their support of Clive Bundy now that he has expounded on his feelings about Black people and feeling they would be better off as slaves.

They can find themselves another hero though. I understand from my nephew that Sponge Bob SquarePants would make a great Tea Party hero.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Apr 24, 2014, at 11:11 AM


The death spiral continues.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Apr 24, 2014, at 10:39 AM

Sara Dear,

You REALLY do need to seek some help. Hope you get to feeling better.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Apr 24, 2014, at 7:54 AM

We don't normally comment on intra-party squabbles but Roger Hesler's Letter to the Editor is one we cannot pass on; http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/20...

We agree with Roger Hesler, the politician Geoff Shroeder must be a RINO and a German Spy. Roger provided some excellent evidence of Herr Shroeder's anti-Constitutional activities. Our research revealed many instances of Comrade Shroeder denying his peeps any protections afforded by the Bill of Rights. But Roger presented us with the real damaging evidence of Herr Shroeder's RINOism by saying "how smart Geoff is and what a great speaker with a gifted IQ". A real Republican could never possess those traits so he is indeed a RINO.

Come on Boys. Look at his name. Geoff Shroeder is surely a East German spy's name and he probably still reports to Putin's KGB on a regular basis.

There are confirmed rumors Herr Shroeder wasn't and couldn't have been fairly elected last November. We know this because Mr Hesler assures us we are living in an actual authoritarian police state where elections don't occur. We're even lucky to sneak this comment out right underneath the noses of the authoritarian secret police.

We are a little concerned for the safety of Herr RINO Shroeder. Like any good and devout Republican, Mr Roger Hesler has promised to break out the big cannons to take care of the local RINO infestation.

OK Boys, back to the Paranoia Wayne Train. Marching practice continues on the golfball course.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Apr 24, 2014, at 7:17 AM

YoB, I think the legitimate authority is our appointed and elected officials. The "fountain" is the citizens that are qualified to vote. Sadly, the fountain is not "pure" due to various things such as denial of voting and gerrymandering.

Hamilton had a perfect goal however we live in an imperfect world.

Thanks for asking that question? I wonder what others in the Banter Box think?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 23, 2014, at 1:33 PM


A little more on the subject.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Apr 23, 2014, at 12:26 PM



-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Apr 23, 2014, at 12:18 PM

I am curious...

"The fabric of American empire ought to rest on the solid basis of the consent of the people. The streams of national power ought to flow from that pure, original fountain of all legitimate authority." -Alexander Hamilton

What is 'legitimate authority?'

-- Posted by yoB on Wed, Apr 23, 2014, at 11:46 AM

Like coolbreeze said, the donkey continues, on and on and on.......

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Wed, Apr 23, 2014, at 9:44 AM

Talk about being used as a stump huh?

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Apr 23, 2014, at 8:14 AM

Sara Dear,

I was waiting for some sort of reply to my post yesterday morning. Nice one.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 23, 2014, at 7:24 AM

The Republican thought process is quite strange to us and it is getting more irrational as time goes by. The latest strangeness of elevating a welfare rancher who welches on his debts to Patriot Folk Hero status is fascinating. What is even more fascinating is using undocumented immigrants as a reason, justification or excuse to elevate Clive Bundy to something more than a common criminal; Fascinating yet irrational.

Wondering if the Republicans saw the video of the militia saying they were going to put all their women on the front lines when the shooting starts. We understand the male Republicans protecting their hero while hiding behind their "females" because that's the way they are. What we don't understand is why there is a single female alive that would vote Republican much less hang with men that want to use us as a tree stump.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Apr 23, 2014, at 7:15 AM

Partisan politics is a problem but it isn't just between the

Republicans and the Democrats. Boener is having a problem in his home state with the Tea Party attacking him and running against him in the May primary election.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM

Idaho83647 Are you trying to imply something? What would be wrong with bringing in more personnel and a large multi-year contract to the base? Would you prefer we continue to wither and die as a community? Heaven forbid Mountain Home AFB and the city show any real growth or progress. I bet you aren't in favor of the Idaho ANG moving this way either.

-- Posted by ??ReallyPeople on Tue, Apr 22, 2014, at 10:08 AM

dude.....I believe your onto something. Partisan politics is ruining the country and all the stubborn mule headed elephant nosed politicians don't care, long as their pockets get lined. Passing illiterate laws to promote votes etc. etc. Anymore one never hears any of them speak the words people, just me, me, me and I, I, I. It's very apparent the government needs a good flushing.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Apr 22, 2014, at 8:53 AM

Sara Dear,

If this country doesn't get over the I am a Democrat, therefore I believe this, I am a Republican therefore I believe this and get to working on what is best for this country regardless of party, we will be heading for a deep deep mess. I do not, and don't expect that too many others first consider what their party is supposed to believe when making important decisions for their family and loved ones. We do what is best for them. This Democrat / Republican school yard behavior we have in Washington really needs to stop. I don't believe it is in the best interest of our children's and grandchildren's future.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 22, 2014, at 7:50 AM

If you're an illegal immigrant caught repeatedly on the wrong side of the international border fence the federal government will now simply make a 'policy change' and ignore both you and the law.

If you're a citizen and your cows are on the wrong side of a fence they'll break out the assault rifles and point them at your wife and kids.

According to some people like Harry Reid if you're mad about the first you're a racist, if you're mad about the second you're a terrorist.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Apr 22, 2014, at 7:45 AM

The Republicans; we love them. Their faulty logic defines and parallels their entire propagenda they have put forth the last five years. We bring you a short history of the Republican's ACA antics;

# Complain bitterly and block any discussion about any provisions of the pending ACA.

# ACA passes and the Republicans complain bitterly saying One Term President is their goal now.

# Republicans vow to repeal and replace the ACA.

# Republicans remove the replace part and go with new propagenda called Complain Bitterly and Repeal the ACA.

# Republicans insists they want everyone in the greatest nation in the world to have health insurance while voting repeatedly to repeal or defund.

# Republican after Republican after Republican go on talk shows with the promise a Republican Health Care Insure plan is in the works and will be unveiled soon. Soon is the new code word for Never in the Republican Propagenda Dictionary.

# After five years of complaining bitterly about the ACA; after five years of conducting a massive smear and misinformation campaign; seven months after their silly hissy fit of shutting down the government; after six months of spittle flying talk about the ACA website; after all their misconduct when it comes to the ACA the Republicans unveil their newest propagenda; Denial.

Face it Boys, the ACA is and will continue to be successful with or without your propagenda. It's the law of the land; it's here to stay; help fix it or at the very least, get out of the way so more folks can get insurance.

Success in the eyes of a liberal may be 10% to a goal of 100% insured.

Millions of uninsured with no plan forward is what Republicans see as success.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Apr 22, 2014, at 7:24 AM

Since the ACA is so great why don't we pass all future bills with the same thought process as Nancy P.

We'll find out what's in the bill after we pass it then make a few hundred changes and waste a trillion dollars.

I'm know Sara doesn't look at price or ingredients when she buys products.

I am for healthcare for all U.S. citizens.

If 40 million were without healthcare and 7 mil sign up and 3 mil of the signups had healthcare last year. How can we call a 10% signup rate a success.

-- Posted by gmoney on Mon, Apr 21, 2014, at 11:30 PM

Call ur senators and tell them we don't want the Afgan Airforce in Mountain Home. How stupid can we get.

-- Posted by Idaho83647 on Mon, Apr 21, 2014, at 9:29 PM

I always enjoy your comments Sara_Connor. They are to the point and cleverly written. Keep it up.

It sometimes is good for people to see the humor in the behaviors of others particularly those that are afraid of so many things and have many conspiracy theories.

-- Posted by Geordey on Mon, Apr 21, 2014, at 8:56 PM

# 4 Years Ago; Fear of ObamaCare Death Panels.

# 3 Years Ago; Fear of the creation of an Obama Dictatorship from unconstitutional ACA.

# 2 Years Ago; Republicans say 75-plus House Democrats are members of the Communist Party.

# 1.5 Years Ago; Fear Obama is coming to take away all your guns.

# 1 Year Ago; Fear that Obama was involved in a massive Boston Marathon bombing cover-up; fear Obama was protecting the true culprits; al Qaeda.

# 6 Months Ago; Fear of the Obama War on Christmas.

# 1 Month Ago; Fear Russia was going to use nuclear bombs on the US to turn us to ashes.

# Past Week; Fear of the racist "Half Black man as President and and Full Black man as Attorney General".

# Saturday; Fear of the Obama War on Easter.

# Sunday April 20, 2014; Easter was mysteriously celebrated throughout the land without any government intervention.

Do the research and you will discover the Republicans need to keep you scared just to get your support. Republicanism; The paralyzing fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

As always, the Paranoia Wayne Train is running 7 days a week in Mountain Home. Jump on to embrace the fear; step off to embrace the truth of the Democrat Party.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Apr 21, 2014, at 7:34 AM

Happy Easter everyone. The Lord has risen.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Apr 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM


the jail Captain is REQUIRED to file an incident report and inform the Sheriff or Chief Deputy,he did neither therefore he was not conforming to policy,

as the Jail captain, he knew what was required and failed to do so.Only he has the answer,as Captain the end result is on his shoulders.

-- Posted by proof positive on Sun, Apr 20, 2014, at 9:53 AM

Very nice Peeps,

What the heck, Merry Easter :)

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Apr 19, 2014, at 6:41 PM


You must of missed the post by Proof Positive, in case you did he said weapons aren't carried in the jail. No need to get on the bandwagon about our rights to own and carry guns. I was only asking for a temporary hold on the Deputy's gun until he was trained. As it turned out he didn't have a gun.

Proof Positive

I read the article and was aware the Captain didn't file a report, he thought it was no big deal as those type of things happen in the jail all the time. He no longer works there, the whistle blower also no longer works there, he was fired for using cuss words.

The Deputy who did the shoving of the inmate, kept his job and was placed on probation and was demoted.

I wonder how long you have to work there to realize you don't shove inmates hard enough to cause them to fall backwards

Happy Easter

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Sat, Apr 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM


the News has the complete article,the Jail captain did not do his job,read the article it really is self explanatory but be prepare for another poster to start with her usual name calling,(i have found it better to ignore her as she offers nothing but trivial diatribes and hatred all based on her biased point of view), be prepared for it)

-- Posted by proof positive on Sat, Apr 19, 2014, at 10:57 AM

I agree, Sammy/Sara you really should lighten up a little. No need going through life kicking and screaming. But, I guess that is what donkeys do!!

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Sat, Apr 19, 2014, at 8:34 AM


Thanks. Tio Sammy is especially fun to mess with.

I try to keep it light and simple, the way life should be. Have a great Easter:) Are we still allowed to say that? Darn liberals anyway. Just in case Happy Holiday.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Apr 19, 2014, at 7:51 AM

Kool-Aid Buzz, you are repeating yourself. Yeah, we know that you think a police officer has to put up with SOOOOOO much, that if one wants to push a small woman across a jail cell, hard enough for her to hit the bunk, then he MUST have been justified.

Good luck on your new career as an Elmore County Sheriff want-a-be. You should fit in well since you are EntertainedbyIdiots.

But Get Real Now. Don't you think that a person in Law Enforcement should follow the rules just like everyone else?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 10:21 PM


I was referring to his earlier post:


excellent post! i was going to suggest you ask McCallum S (local expert on ECSO mis-information)

but your post is so right on it would only make her giggle and refer to you as a child as that is the only level she seems capable of. again good post!

I do know why some employees are no longer working with the jail staff, I am not aware of why the officer who caused the entire matter still has his position, it makes no sense to me. I can talk about what I know to be fact and what I suspect happened but will not do so on this forum. Unfortunately there are people who do not want to know the truth and these individuals resort to name calling and false accusations. I am open to talking to anyone who wants discuss the situation one on one.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 6:19 PM

McCallumS I believe that proof positive was addressing WinterStorm about the deputies having guns. I think anyway. And I am curious as to the reasoning behind others losing their job over that shoving incident, but not the one who actually did it. Do you know or are you able to talk about it?

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 3:01 PM

There is very positive news on the health of the ACA. Things are getting better. On January 1st, the benefits started kicking in and people could see beyond the negative hype to the good things that are in the law.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 2:03 PM

Proof Positive

I appreciate you letting me know weapons are not carried in the jail!

Have a good weekend

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 2:02 PM


It seems you cannot post in this forum without bringing me into the conversation, I have obviously hit a nerve. Your posts are becoming more erratic, out of context and personally directed towards me.

I am in no way an expert on ECSO, I never suggested such nor am I completely in the dark on the matter so your mis-information remark was moot. I would simply like to see this community free of law-enforcement bullies and under-qualified supervisors.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 1:42 PM

just to clear up one matter, Deputies are not allowed to carry their weapons in the Jail

-- Posted by proof positive on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 12:55 PM


I love your humor!!

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 12:37 PM


Let me give you a little hint on mine. I was feeling a little liberal that day.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 12:33 PM

Once again, little Dude you've guessed wrong. My name on the blog has nothing to do with Sam Adams the revolutionary.

Let me give you a hint on the name: July 4, 1776 - the birthdate of "Uncle Sam".

I can see now why you are wrong on so many things. You guess too much.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 12:01 PM


Maybe I should of made my post a little more clearer for you. The reason I said I hope the Deputy had his fire arms taken away, is because what happened between him and the inmate. I feel he needs more training on how to handle inmates who come into the jail combative and until he has the training he shouldn't have a weapon on his person.

Now maybe he has been placed on another job within the Department where he doesn't handle the inmates. I don't know as I don't think it was ever mention if he went back to his regular job or if he was placed some place else

I don't expect everyone to agree with me, and from your posts I am sure you will be high on the list of people who don't agree with what I said.

I hope you have a great weekend

Isn't that just so telling? A jailer shoves a criminal who wasn't injured......but Winterstorm wants his "guns" taken away. The jailer didn't even so much as brandish his gun, but hey, let's put him under some CONTROL, somehow, someway. So typical of the left-leaning control freaks of this nation. I guess if ANY of us make one mistake, it should cost us our job and our guns, right? WRONG!

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 11:43 AM


Sometimes it really is that simple. Just remember the real Sam Adams failed at operating his own business, and then turned to politics.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 11:43 AM

Little Dude I don't need to read your posts carefully or worse yet re-read them. They are extremely simple conservative claims without facts to back them up.

If you can't supply facts from a reputable source then why should anyone bother to even consider what you claim?

Oh, and lest I forget, your summary of economics was simple-minded.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 11:27 AM


excellent post! i was going to suggest you ask McCallum S (local expert on ECSO mis-information)

but your post is so right on it would only make her giggle and refer to you as a child as that is the only level she seems capable of. again good post!

-- Posted by proof positive on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 10:37 AM


Now read my last post carefully and think again. Yellen works for Obama. What do you think she is going say? The Washington Post works for Obama. What do you think they are going to report? I have no doom and gloom desire for the economy, rather a more practical outlook. Unlike Yellen and Obama, I actually live and work in this economy. Don't criticize because I can actually think for myself, and am cautious of liberal rhetoric. For that matter I am cautious of all rhetoric. It seems most of your opinions are you just informing us on what other liberal believe and publish. A lot like watching ESPN Sports Center these days.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 8:42 AM

Little Dude, the source of my information was Janet Yellen, the person that runs the Federal Reserve. I'm sure that you are unimpressed by her PH. D in Economics either, since you aren't a fan of education. It's probably much easier for you to spread false conservative beliefs if you are too ignorant to know what is fact and what is fiction.

She had good news, economic recovery. I understand why you wouldn't consider that to be good news because that goes against your doom and gloom desires for the economy. Poor Little Dude. He can't make a decent living because there is a Democrat as President. Boo hoo.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 8:02 AM

Sammy Sara Dear,

I do agree that grazing fees should be paid if due, but it's clear by your posts that you do not learn a lot about the ranching industry from the Washington Post or other liberal papers either.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 7:39 AM


I really get a good chuckle when you try to talk finance and business. Liberals just do not seem to have much financial business sense. Rates are being held down and recovery predicted two years. What else is happening in two years (come on now). The housing market did not deflate, it corrected itself. Big difference. Now you actually have to qualify to buy a home. In turn, the demand for homes falls in half or less. When you have too large of an inventory due to those not really being able to pay for a home they had built (increased inventory) in the first place have to sell, and the number of buyers (qualified this time) shrinks, what happens? A huge correction of the market. Do you really have to read the Washington Post and can't figure this out on your own?? What are you going to learn about finance and business from a liberal paper?? NOTHING.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 7:27 AM

The lead Republican patriot has spoken. Their revolution won't be against the full US government. It will be waged against only the "Half Black man as President and and Full Black man as Attorney General" portions they marked in an earlier post as racist. All progressives and the gender that doesn't have the proper equipment to ensure bravery are also on their enemy list.

Someone mentioned recently the Democrats haven't stepped up in local or state elections. With the local revolutionite leader admitting to having extreem anger issues and saying he's sure he would probably not be able to control himself around liberals, you can easily understand why this political anomaly exists.

Do we really want or need these types of Republicans running along the yellow brick road with guns. The adage; guns don't kill people; may be true so why do we allow people with extreem anger issues and uncontrollable rage to get within a mile of a dangerous weapon.

Marching practice has been canceled this week Boys. Instead the Republican strawman army will "wile away the hours, Conferrin' with the flowers, Consultin' with the rain. And their head they'll be scratchin' while their thoughts were busy hatchin' always cryin' and wailin' If the Republican strawman army only had a brain".

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Apr 18, 2014, at 7:22 AM

I think that when Kool-Aid Buzz does something wrong he should have a timeout from the taxpayer subsidized golf course that he loves so much.

On the Elmore County jail incident, I don't think justice occurred however, the case is over. Just my opinion. I understand why others want to discuss it further.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 8:10 PM

Liberal Democrats such as Barack Hussein Obama and Eric Holder who both love to claim that American Public are a bunch of Racists. That is because we have a Half Black man as President and and Full Black man as Attorney General that we can not trust because the American People do not believe either one of these liberal liars who have race baited at every chance that they could get when they were talking about their liberal ideas. The American Public has been lied to at every turn when these liberals speak. The American Public knows who the real racists are, and it is the Democratic Party led by Barack Hussein Obama who says you are a racist if you dont believe what he says. Liberal democrats have become sick people because they know they have stepped on their own toes with their lies and the American Public has seen what they are doing to our American Economy and Health System. Democrats need to be held accountable at election time and remember that they lied to the American Public.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 2:31 PM


I don't feel there's hatred against the Deputy Sheriff. There is dislike the way the situation was handled. There should of been some kind of training the Deputy had and was taught how to diffuse an ugly situation. If he didn't have the training I then recommend there should be some type of training for situations in the jail.

After placing her in the cell why did he go back in?

Why not just shut the cell door and leave her alone until she calms down. It is quite obvious she has some issues and that's what landed her there in the first place.

Now that he has been placed on probation and still has his job, I sure hope his fire arms were taken away.

So the guy that shoves the inmate still has a job and the other guys don't? Doesn't seem right to me, but why all the hatred towards the Deputy Sheriff?

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM

The Dems Catergorize people based on race, religion, age, ethenic back ground, how much money you make, where you live, your education, and eveything else they can think of the pigion hole people. Just so they can say some are victims and the rest can feel superior to everyone else. And then they have the nerve to say the Reps are the bigots because they think everyone should work for what they have. And no, not everyone has an ideal situation to start from. Its called equal oppertunity, not equalized oppertunity.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 12:27 PM

Just as an fyi, MHN has the Elmore County shoving story on it's Home page as a news story as of yesterday. I saw it as an e-mail from MHN and checked it out.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 12:16 PM

Janet Yellen, who runs the Federal Reserve, predicted Wednesday that the economy will be mostly recovered in two years.

Apparently, the Central Bank is keeping rates very low to encourage spending in the economy which helps the economy and builds jobs. When the jobs reach a certain rate, then rates will start going up again. It's a careful balancing act. They want a little inflation each year which is better than deflation. Everyone pretty much knows what inflation is. Deflation might be worse. An example of this is when the housing market prices went way up (inflation) and then drastically dropped (deflation) leaving some people upside down in their mortgage.

For more information go to the link below.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 12:07 PM

So the guy that shoves the inmate still has a job and the other guys don't? Doesn't seem right to me, but why all the hatred towards the Deputy Sheriff?

Our officers in this town and everywhere are human.

No need bad mouthing them, if they did you wrong while on duty take it to the proper person to take care of it.

I have great respect for the MH Police/Sheriff Dept, there job of serving and protecting is not easy and they certainly are not perfect. Also the same respect goes for the dispatchers!!

-- Posted by reallymhpeeps on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 11:56 AM

Stawman army, looked like patriots to me. Funny I didn't see you on the marching field, as you always say you will be there. Smart choice, but you will see in short order what this "strawman army" will do if required. The only people that think its a joke are the very ones who will cry and wail when it becomes time to take our Country back, and they end up on the very short end of the stick. I was there, where were you and your big mouth? Progressives all bluster and NO BA...

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 9:51 AM

Boy, lots of feathers are ruffled....

Change happens by evolution or revolution, look around the world... lots of unhappy folks and maybe rightfully so... we are in the mix somewhere.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 8:33 AM

The Republicans decided to add to their enemy strawman army when it comes to elevating an outlaw rancher to John Wayne in Boston Harbor status; Illegal aliens and the poor.

Do the research and you'll see the Republicans don't.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 8:32 AM


300 head of cattle, which most likely equates to 150 pair (mom and baby). The $1.35 per month is per pair of cattle. That gives us a max of 240 (20 years) 240 months x 150 pair x $1.35 = $48,600.00. $1.1 million ?????? That figures to $202.50 per month. It also figures out to approx. 90,000 lbs dressed out and wrapped meat on the shelves. 90,000 by twelve months figures to 7,500 lbs of meat on the shelves at your grocer every 1st of the month. How many illegals in this country getting 5-10 times that $202.50 per month.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 7:51 AM

We're no longer surprised when the Republicans can turn a simple 20 year act of lawlessness into a fight about patriotic freedom and the trampling on of individuals rights.

# Landlord is all US Citizens.

# Squatter is a Nevada rancher but only squatting for a 20 year period as of today.

# Squatter decides he doesn't recognize We the People as his official government.

# We the People want to legally evict the squatter of 20 years for repeated violations of multiple court orders.

# Republicans take up arms in some sort of Tea Party Blockade to protect a lawless squatter.

# Republicans invoke the "trampling on of individuals rights" meme.

# Republicans erect an enemy strawman army consisting of "China, climate change, solar energy, tortoises, Harry Reid and do so without considering facts, law or the history of this issue.

# Republicans, when it comes to helping others, insist golfers and cows in store parking lots instead of hungry people get this welfare and subsidies.

Choo choo, Boys. The Paranoia Wayne Train will be making a stop at the local golfball course. On the welfare menu is free grass, free golf and your new red, white and blue debit card.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 7:17 AM

You are posting a lot tonight Kool-Aid Buzz. I suggest that you sleep it off. I probably won't respond to most of your comments. They are a waste of time.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 10:17 PM

Hi Mountain Home:

I was in an accident yesterday in the downtown area with my dog. During the accident I dropped the leash and my dog ran away.

I would like to offer my gratitude and thanks to the lady who saw this, followed my dog on her panicked race through town and made sure she got home. Just the idea of someone doing this makes me smile...thank you.


Tim Bondy

-- Posted by bondyweb on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 8:57 PM

Kool-Aid Buzz, you really need to present a legitimate messenger. She works for Fox News for Pete's sake. What is her message? She says that racism, the gender gap on wages, and discrimination against minorities and the poor shouldn't be talked about.

She tries to present facts that these things don't exist. She fails because she doesn't provide the complete facts. That is the refutation.

However, here is a fact. A young black teenager was shot and killed. His crime was walking in a neighborhood that someone who considered himself to be white didn't think should be there. The police failed to investigate until forced to after some of the evidence was gone. The "white guy" was acquitted.

Here is another fact. dudewheresmycar comment today: "I saw one of those free grazing cows from Nevada in the Mountain Home Walmart parking lot. Will somebody tell that cow there is no free grazing in Mountain Home until the 1st of the month." Guess what. That is discrimination against a woman to call her a "cow" and I'll bet the woman looked to Moral majority like she was either poor, black, or both.

He clearly assumed that she was on welfare because of his often mentioned comment that the 1st of the month was when welfare of some kind is provided.

Here is another fact. In Elmore county a woman was tossed across a jail cell by one of her jailors and then she was handcuffed. She was already in a jail cell. Was the handcuff a punishment of some kind? The excuse that you have is that we didn't see the before and after pictures of the video. You miss the point that it doesn't matter if the woman was troubled and was a problem. This shouldn't have happened to her.

"the test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members. -- Pearl S. Buck

So keep on drinking your Kool-Aid and believing that racism, the gender gap, and discrimination against minorities and the poor isn't happening.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 7:46 PM


I never commented on his qualifications for "teaching at POST". What are you talking about! Going on and on about subjects that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. I question his qualifications for his current position.

Your comment "case closed" made me giggle.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 5:48 PM

A cut and paste I agree with:

CLIVE BUNDY: Life long cattle rancher, produces beef to feed AMERICANS. BLM alleges he owes 1.1 million dollars in fees. GOVERNMENT RESPONSE : Surround his ranch with 200 armed agents and confiscate his cattle.

AL SHARPTON : Life long race baiter, produces resentment and anger towards conservatives. IRS says he owes 1.9 million dollars in back taxes. GOVERNMENT RESPONSE : Fund raiser and dinner with Mr. Obama.

It so corrupt from this administration that it a boggles a sane mind. Where are all these government agents when illegal criminals enter our borders, where are all the snipers and tasers, when hoardes upon hoardes of third world diseased denziens of rapers, murderers, pedophiles and Islamic terrorists stroll across our southern border and threaten our American way of life, liberty and happiness?!!!!!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 3:13 PM

McCallum S

it is not possible to shine light into a closed mind,however misinformed it may be. case closed

-- Posted by proof positive on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 3:01 PM

I saw one of those free grazing cows from Nevada in the Mountain Home Walmart parking lot. Will somebody tell that cow there is no free grazing in Mountain Home until the 1st of the month.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 2:27 PM


POST prepares officers for the psychical and mental challenges that men and women might experience while on the job.

Being the supervisor over an entire jail requires more training than POST offers. It requires a background in business, special training on handling a large number of staff members, how to handle special situations that often occur when dealing with inmates, their needs, their families etc.. None of which the current deputy sheriff has.

The position he fills is a very important one and should have years of college to back it up or years of being in a similar position or being mentored. POST does not offer these special training requirements. Take your own advice and do more research. Talking with you is exhausting having to explain each and every word I use, it's like having a conversation with a child.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM

Kool-Aid Buzz, although your link is to finance yahoo, the article and quote itself was lifted from a Fiscal Times opinion column written by Liz Peek who is well known and often seen and heard on Fox News. So what we know from this is that this is the radical right viewpoint.

Apparently Peek doesn't think that we should talk about discrimination and unfairness in the United States. Somehow everything will be fine if we keep it swept under the rug.

She is a good fit for Fox News but not for a balanced opinion based on all of the facts rather than facts selectively picked to support her argument.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 12:34 PM

McCallum S

it is a simple matter ,if you are capable of checking with the POST Academy you will see he is certified to teach there,how many other Deputies in ECSO are? you really need to research more.

-- Posted by proof positive on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 8:30 AM

Do the very few of you that post on the MHN blog realize that if you are arguing politics, that nobody will win, it will just go on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on.....you get the idea.....oh wait, no you don't!

-- Posted by Auction Hunter on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 8:22 AM

Eh, Sara. Good morning. Do you also know that those Republican cows were violating the new do not pass gas act? Harry Reid knows they are gassy and contribute to global warming so the roundup is justified. Another story from Nevada has it that this rancher had grandfathered grazing rights on that land from before it was grabbed up by the BLM. I didn't snoop, or snope or whatever one is supposed to do so I don't know. One thing for sure though, Harry knows and he'll plug the holes. Have a good day ma'am, see ya later.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 8:15 AM

Sara Dear,

No one fed the cows, they graze.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 7:33 AM

Misinformation wrapped up in a lie, decorated with a pretty yellow outrage ribbon has become the norm for while trampeling on individuals rights has become the norm for the Democratic party. Drink some more Kool Aid

-- Posted by hdrider on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 7:17 AM

The new Republican role model of a hero is a rancher living in Nevada. He lets his cows run all over public land. He doesn't pay the feeding fees, ignores laws for 20 years, forms an armed Sheriff Cool N. Breeze type posse minus the golf cars and continues in his lawless ways. While all other ranchers just do what it right.

Republicans; only for when you want to be on the wrong side of any issue and the wrong side of American history.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 7:16 AM


You are really too hard to believe. I have talked to people that know that woman. She has been in a lot of trouble, and this is not the jail's first time hosting an overnighter with her.

She has struck officers and jailers in the past. She was not calling for help (really??). Three big angry guys (really??) She is a certifiable wack job. I do not think Tom's actions were acceptable, but anyone can snap for one slight moment. You have the same effect on me, and I have never even met you. At least I hope not.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 7:09 AM

proof positive,

It is somewhat difficult to understand some of your posts but provide me with evidence supporting your claim of qualifications concerning the deputy sheriff. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 8:51 PM

I wonder too. She might have wanted to call for help. She was one small woman and there were three big angry guys surrounding her.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM

I don't think either one of them should have been fired, not the one for turning the Sgt in to superiors. I think he did the right thing in handcuffing the prisoner to help control the situation. The blue code was at work there.

The demotion of the Sgt was justified but he'll probably get his rank back in 6 months. I wonder what she wanted to say on the intercom?

-- Posted by gmoney on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 2:32 PM

Can we stay focused on the present topic instead of turning it into a game of kick the ball, between a few of the obsessed Banter box Children !!!

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 1:54 PM

CoolBreeze didn't you promise Old Guy that you were going to ignore Sara and I and that was supposed to really fix our wagon?

I guess your word means nothing to you. When you run for Sheriff be sure to include that in your platform.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 12:06 PM

I would like to commend Eric Tautfest on what he is doing in our community. See the feature of the week on the left. Currently the amount totals more than $1400! That's awesome work right there.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 8:02 AM

We're glad to see Sheriff Cool N. Breeze decided not to comment on the Elmore County Jail abuse and firing issue by commenting on it. And then he decided to comment on the issue again and again. We think if he is going to be 2faced, at least make one of them reasonable and trusty.

Misinformation wrapped up in a lie, decorated with a pretty yellow outrage ribbon has become the norm for Republicans.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 7:49 AM

McCallum S

i can see it is an effort in futility to respond, concerning qualifications since you are so clearly biased, and not done your homework on qualifications of the Undersheriff, if you had, this conversation would not be necessary. yet again you insinuate posters are all cowards by use of screen names. How sad. as for not being vindictive-- read you own post

-- Posted by proof positive on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 6:48 AM

Why does it matter what happened before or after the video, unless Law Enforcement is allowed to physically punish inmates for something that happened before the video? They aren't. Punishment in jails does not include throwing a woman across the room.

CoolBreeze, you remind me of an Elmore County Sheriff want-a-be that just can't get promoted in Ada County and Gem County but thinks he has a chance getting to run as a Republican in Elmore County for Sheriff. He makes excuses too for Law Enforcement but Law Enforcement has some powers and because of this they need to move their game to a higher level.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 12:13 AM


I have in fact commented on a number of other issues. You seem to have a problem with me because each time I make a comment you are all over me. Again, you know me but I do not know YOU, I do not hide behind a nic-name,I believe you are a coward to do so. As for the sheriff hiring a more qualified person, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Firstly, the prior Captain is not my husband and I am not vindictive, I happen to have a very low opinion of both the sheriff and deputy sheriff based upon actions and behavior they have displayed to myself and many others in this community.

Now for the remark about cleaning my own house,low blow pal that has not a thing to do with this issue, you are displaying childish behavior.

Lets talk about the deputy sheriff being QUALIFIED. There is not a single bit of evidence showing that he was qualified for appointment to the position. The man went from working in a warehouse on base to city patrol straight to lead detective in a very very short time.

I find it amusing that you speak for the entire city of Mountain Home when you comment about them "surely" being tired of my continued rants about law enforcement. I happen to be very passionate about the way the "citizens" of Mountain Home are often treated by our public servants and will not lay off my tirade. Deal with it or move on. Oh and when the truth about the entire situation comes to light, won't you feel silly.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 11:00 PM

Below statements taken off the Elmore County Sheriff Web site.

Guiding Principals

Ethical and Moral treatment of all persons who are taken into custody

Do you see this in the video?

Excellence in the performance of duties.

Do you see this in the video?

Read the last paragraph slowly and carefully!

We care and believe in treating all individuals, regardless of their attitude or demeanor, with the courtesy, tolerance, sensitivity and dignity we would expect if placed in a similar situation.

I do believe Tom Robinson needs to be fired, he didn't follow guidelines !

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 9:52 PM

Thank you coolbreeze for stating your comment is the last comment concerning the Deputy Sheriff.

The video speaks for itself.

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 9:31 PM

it would seem the only posts by Mcallum S have to do with the new undersheriff, is it possibly a personal vindictive issue because a considerably more qualified person was appointed to the position than her spouse? as the years go by it is necessary to clean house. perhaps she should start at home instead of airing it on BanterBox. The sherifff saw fit to promote the most QUALIFIED person, not based on time with the force! house cleaning begins at home, not on BanterBox! the citizens of Mtn. Home are surely tired of your continued rants about Law Enforcement in this community,please address something more relevant than your trivial complaints about our public servants!

-- Posted by proof positive on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 8:02 PM


One problem I have been having getting any information relating to employees of the Elmore County Sheriff's office is they deem records to be internal and pertaining to personnel issues therefore not view-able to the public. These are county employees and their behaviors and actions should be made available to the public. They seem to always find a loop-hole to hide behind.

HDRider, in my opinion the chief-deputy is running scared and when a man gets to this point he becomes even more dangerous and mistake-prone.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 4:06 PM

Unfortunately things like this are not all that uncommon. Tom didn't get fired because he has worked there for a long time and is friends with the powers that be. After working there for 12 yrs I can see why the whistleblower was fired. You don't think the chief deputy is going to let that go? He is just as crooked.

-- Posted by hdrider on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 3:52 PM

I think that the situation at the Elmore County jail should be reviewed by someone not working for the Elmore County jail with the results made available to the public.

The officer assaulted the woman that was in his custody. That seems like a felony to me and IMO he should have to find a new line of work.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 11:32 AM


What it comes down to is the Video speaks for itself. I don't need to know who are the good guys or the bad guys. I don't need to know the whole story when I can see the picture.

It isn't important to me to know how the inmate was acting before the violence occurred. I don't care how many times she had a stay at Elmore County Jail.

What I do care about is the treatment of inmates at the jail. I would love to see an outside source do a complete investigation of everyone who is working there now including the whole department.

If there was more to the video, then where is the rest of the tape?

Why wasn't it reported by the Mountain Home paper?

I hope my comment shows up considering all the political crap posted on here!

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 11:18 AM

See YA at the polls, BYE BYE democrats.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 8:21 AM


No I don't just believe everything in the story is all there is to it. That's why I admitted I don't know the details. I suppose I should have been more clear, and should have said the thing that bothers me about this story, 'as it's told here,'... Part of the reason I brought it here was to find out more. That might have been a mistake.

-- Posted by uncommon sense on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 8:16 AM

Why is it that Channel 2 news airs all the controversial news stories?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 7:53 AM

We admit it; we were wrong about Republicans. We thought they were all xenophobic and resistant to change. After doing some reading we discovered - - - -

# Mike Huckabee, a favorite 2016 Republican Presidential hopeful, recently endorsed the North Korean freedom policy over those of the USA.

# Steven King, the go-to Republican for all things immigration and border control endorsed the Iranian policy. Shoot first and jail later, if necessary might decrease that $8 TRILLION.

# The Republicans admiration and fawning over Russia's Putin for his social agenda and the masterful way he is handling things in Ukraine.

# The Republicans strong move to repeal the ACA and move towards a Pakistani type health care system is well documented.

Good to see our Republican brothers and sisters looking beyond our borders for inspiration.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 7:29 AM

Go read what some people are writing about this situation.


The officer that was interviewed not only feels he needs to make the world think he is some kind of superhero, he also feels the need to drag myself and my kids name through the mud when we have not a single thing to do with anything. What kind of man behaves this way?

-- Posted by McCallumS on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 12:27 AM

Thanks for the comments Goatbeard.

As far as the software vendor not being worth a nickel, there is probably a lot that you and I don't know. I work for a software vendor, and I know that a major implementation of a new application in a web site with a high volume is terribly risky.

The end result is that the October rollout was a disaster but who is to blame is hard to tell. I think Sebelius has accepted the blame and I respect her for that but I don't know how much she really is to blame or the company contracted to implement it is.

On being forced into buying insurance, the fines right now are very small compared to getting insurance.

We have been paying for the uninsured already with higher medical costs. The sad part of this, in my opinion, is the uninsured children who don't get lifesaving treatment. With the ACA, these children will get life saving medical help.

Five years ago I was diagnosed with two kinds of cancer: one 3A, and one 3B. If I hadn't had good insurance I would be bankrupt now. I can't say yet that I beat cancer, and I can't say that I still didn't have to pay a lot of out of pocket expenses, but thank goodness I had insurance.

I think the ACA needs improvement but I also think that it is the American way to handle medical costs, much better than socialized medicine in use by Canada and Great Britain. Unlike Canada and Great Britain we are letting free enterprise determine insurance costs.

My family personally benefits from the ACA because we can keep our adult children who are just starting out in life, and needing an assist, with their insurance. We always believed in having insurance, but cancer reinforced that belief.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 11:41 PM


I agree with you 100%, both the city and the county law enforcement offices need to be investigated.

uncommon sense, unfortunately many of people who viewed that report think the same way you do, but you did not get to see the film in its entirety, you got to view what the media wanted you to. Do you really believe everything that was reported by the disgruntled officer who was interviewed, do you really believe he is the martyr he is claiming to be? Did you think he was fired simply because he used foul language while on duty. As for him being fired partly because he's a whistle blower,there may be some truth to that. There was much more to the story than was reported. Hard to form a fair opinion with only a very small amount of information.

The Elmore County Sheriff's department has gone through many changes in the last year and a half, actually since the new under-sheriff was appointed. I have not heard a single good report about how the jail is being operated, the under-sheriff is the one in charge. There have been many people fired, invited to resign, or simply have quit because the work environment is harsh, some of these people have worked for the county for 15 - 20 years. Is it just coincidence that all this has occurred immediately following the appointment of the new deputy sheriff? Too many coincidences in my opinion.

Sadly because I have actually referred to the Sheriff's department and it's deputy sheriff, this post will likely be gone by tomorrow. Any time there is attention brought to the possible wrong doings of the local and county law enforcement offices the post is deleted.

I would love to see more people come forward with issues they have had with any employed by either entity.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 11:39 PM

uncommon sense

I also seen it on channel 2 news. Unbelievable all the Deputy got was a "CHOICE" 5 days jail time OR 100 hours community service. I think they need to investigate the whole department, interview inmates and go through the files.

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 9:32 PM

Saw this on KBOI 2 news. I don't know all the details, but the thing that bugs me is that the officer that reported it was the one fired. http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/Tom-Robi...

-- Posted by uncommon sense on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 8:56 PM

Evening Sam.....I think she's softening her rhetoric a little now that she's leaving office. A lot of people besides her were involved in hiring a software builder that wasn't worth a nickel. As far as those numbers go, until they're vetted and proven they're just estimates. There are too many scenarios how those numbers were reached. I'll hold off judgment on them until a later date. I don't think people are buying into ACA because they want to, they're being pushed with threats of fines, taxes etc. Peoples policies were good until laws changed to make them non compliant. Those who were uninsured still won't become covered unless it's free, for them, and the rest of us continue to pay for them. It seems that in order to make insurance affordable, out of pocket expenses have skyrocketed. I can see a lot of bankruptcies happening because of that. I just feel there is a lot to be proven before I give that program my stamp of approval. Hope you had a good weekend.....

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 6:07 PM

Wow there are a lot of traffic tickets written on American Legion. Seems like there is always someone pulled over. I remember when all the traffic citations were also posted in the MH News in the Police log section. It would make for an awfully thick paper.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 5:41 PM

Goatbeard, by backing Sara up, do you mean my comment agreeing with her about Sebelius? Well EXCUSE ME! If you say something that I agree with, I'll back you up too. That's how that works.

Sebelius was on Meet the Press this week-end and talked about the problems in October, and rolling out the web site then being a mistake. She also said that the goals for March were met.

I thought that was interesting.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 11:42 AM

Good Morning Sarah, You must be right as our friend Sam has entered into the conversation as usual, backing you right up. Comprehension.....yup, your followup was more spin demonstrating your lack of. Have a good Sunday ma'am.. may the lord be with you always!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 8:20 AM

All of my names? I hate to break it to you but the all-liberals-on-the-MHN-are-one-person conspiracy theory of all conspiracy theories is bogus. Maybe you should cut down on the Cool Aide?

-- Posted by Geordey on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 8:19 AM

That's good to hear Old Guy. Due to my work hours I miss a lot of these types of things.

CB your definition kinda reminds me of you. Really can't you see it?

-- Posted by Geordey on Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 11:17 PM

Just got back from Freedom Lanes watching this wonderful community raise funds to aide a local resident going through chemotherapy treatments. I am always amazed at how this community pulls together for one of our own. The Relay for Life organizers put this on and did a fantastic job.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 11:01 PM

** "So, I give you my word, I intend to ignore their posts moving forward. I think if we all do that, they will be marginalized more than they are with the decent folks of Mountain Home already. I'm all for using this blog for pertinent issues that impact us and our city."

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 8:34 PM **

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 11:10 AM

Sara, I agree with your comments about Sebelius. She took a hit for her country while performing a great public service. It will be interesting to see if the Republican feeding frenzy in Congress will now be diverted to the new person in charge of the continued implementation of the ACA.

On another subject, Scientific American, a non-political periodical, published an article about Conservatives, Moderates, and Liberals.

They found that Conservatives felt that they shared the same beliefs and attitudes with other conservatives, even when they didn't. This is called a "false consensus".

Liberals were found to have "false uniqueness", where they felt that they differed with other liberals in their thinking.

Moderates also exhibited "false Consensus".

How that seems to manifest itself on this blog, from what I've seen, is that the liberals seem to post independent remarks. Sometimes they agree with each other, as I did on Sebelius, but I gave a reason for agreeing with Sara, not assuming that we had consensus on the subject, when maybe we indeed do.

The conservatives, and possibly some moderates, seem to need to post a "yeah, me too" comment. An example of this is "Excellent idea 2 cents!" in response to a post from My-2-cents to wipe out some liberals with a bug bomb.

It seems to be important to one extremely conservative person on the blog, who is Entertained by Idiots, to have more people on the blog that agree with him. CoolBreeze frequently makes comments similar to the one that he made yesterday when he said "there are more conservatives posting and reading this blog than there are liberal vermin".

To read more on the subject, the link to the article is below.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 9:24 AM

Sara Dear and Sammy, proof that the west has yet to be won.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 8:22 AM

Our Dearest goatbeard; you asked, we answered, you didn't read for that all important part of reading called comprehension.

Republicans; only when education isn't important.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 8:08 AM

Sara, weather or not you hate republicans wasn't the question. How many people signed up wasn't the question. How many of these signups are legit wasn't the question. I guess the question now is, did you understand the question or did you just get mad and fly off the handle again?

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 7:38 AM

Goatbeard; we don't know anything about this new Sebelius/Obama scandal you are so eager to spread to the Republican masses.

# We do know Sebelius was charged with implementing the ACA.

# We do know the Republicans have voted 51 times to defund or repeal the ACA.

# We do know the Republicans shut down our government in part because of your hatred of the ACA.

# We do know the Republicans have done everything they can to make sure the ACA fails without ever offering an alternative plan.

# We do know Sebelius not only met but exceeded Obama's goal of signing up 7 million people to the ACA.

# We do understand an additional 60,000 people in Idaho signed up for the ACA and we haven't become a Communist State.

The Republicans will be celebrating into the wee hours of the night for the resignation of a woman who honorably served her country for the last 5 years. There will also be millions of Americans sleeping just a little better knowing they have health insurance. Do the reading and research; you'll understand the Republican Party is full of hate.

Welcome back CoolBreeze; Ridership must have fallen off on the Paranoia Wayne Train. Marching practice at the golfball course all weekend. Welfare on Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 7:24 AM

I think the problem is that one ultra conservative with many names finds it hard to believe that there are more than one liberal in Mountain Home.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 11:15 PM

That really seemed like about 2 cents of comments and a lot of dollars in negativity. 2 cents are you saying that you are one of CBs personalities?

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 11:06 PM

WOW!! That was pretty harsh

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 10:50 PM

I can only speak for myself (yeah right), but I wish Sammy/Sara and the other alter egos would find a nice airtight room and then light off a few bug bombs. In theory one bug bomb might do the job since one person has 5 personalities, but to play it safe please set off 5 or 6.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 10:33 PM

You seem to be talking crazy CoolBreeze, I don't recall any detective work or rants. How about sticking with what people are actually saying and then responding to that? That always works better in discussions.

Remember what Paul Ryan said about political discussions. Do a search on "Paul Ryan" on the blog if you've forgotten.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 8:18 PM

Here's another story about the IRS and Congress. It seems that somebody put a line in the 2008 Farm Bill saying that there was no statute of limitations on paying back debt to the government. So now the IRS is taking money from refunds to pay back a social security overpayment that people's grandparents received. -- Some people in Congress say that is just plain wrong and I agree.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 3:50 PM

gmoney, if you don't like what WECRD is doing, show up for the board meeting next week and complain to them.

WECRD isn't a front, but nice try perpetuating the CoolBreeze, who is EntertainedbyIdiots, falsehood that I'm not from the Mountain Home area. I can't speak for Sara, but I believe that she is a local hero, among those that read and laugh over various comments on the blog.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 3:42 PM

Old Guy

Your right the WECRD has been taking us property taxpayers to the cleaners for a while now, they shouldn't need any help.

Hey Sara and Sam the WECRD might be a front for the Republicans or Tea party or some left wing liberal group. What do you think? Wait, your not local so you don't give a poop.

-- Posted by gmoney on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 3:12 PM


And you wounder why some of us dont want illegals in our country. Heres the perfect example of their lawlessness and complete disreguard for OUR country.

I cant wait for November!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 12:11 PM

Ok Sarah, I read that too. I have another question. If everything is above board, honest and good for the nation, why then would Sebelius make statement to the administration basically saying she's resigning to keep from tarnishing the good name of the president? If all is well, how would it tarnish the administration. Please don't call me any names, just explain what you think is going on. Thank you.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 8:11 AM

There is a local man who's political views magically allows him to see all things clearly but has a hard time keeping his word. We know 2013 ended with this high spirited Republican saying he was leaving this webpage for good. We know this man had a hard time keeping his word when he came back from his magical forever trip into Tea Partyville.

We're now into April and on the 2nd day of the month magic man tells Old Guy "So I'm sorry, Old guy, but I am not going to sit idly by and allow the left to hijack this blog like the socialists have hijacked the Democrat Party".

By the 3rd of Apr magic man writes "So, I give you my word [Old Guy], I intend to ignore their posts moving forward."

Less than 5 days later or on April 8th he breaks his word with a post that states "Feel free to criticize anything I or others say, Sammy. It doesn't matter because you don't matter."

To Republicans, traditional American values now include good old fashioned hate, fear, greed and the hard work of spreading misinformation. A CoolBreeze is predicted this week on the Paranoia Wayne Train.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 7:17 AM

So I have to ask, if anyone has any idea when a shovel full of dirt will be turned on this joke of a project:


Maybe some of these political experts can figure this local topic out. We have been taxed for it and have yet to see a product. But the WECRD has a cleaner take care of the offices while many government offices are cleaned by those that make them dirty.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Apr 10, 2014, at 5:12 PM

Sounds like good news/good news to me.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Apr 10, 2014, at 7:28 AM

There is kind of a good news/bad news thing about the Senate elections. Good news, the GOP senators that may win are perceived as more mainstream as opposed to radical right. Bad news, is that they may win the elections and then start voting the party line in the Senate.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 10:16 PM

Only in the Republican world will a person trying to gain rights be mocked; Dudewheresmycar. If Republicans got out into the real world they'd understand people have fought, are fighting and will continue to fight for rights the male Republican takes for granted. The right to vote, the right to sit where one pleases on a bus, the right not be discriminated against, reproductive rights, the right to go into combat for our country and the right to marry et al.

When we hear Republicans say "that might mean that I am entitled to a whole new set of rights" in a mocking manner dudewheresmycar, we know you Boys are out of touch with life and the real world. We just wanted to be to clear about that item.

We're convinced if it wasn't for the 2nd Amendment, the Republicans would think the US Constitution is just an old ship tied up in some harbor.

The idea of any rationale woman becoming a good and devout Republican makes us giggle; uncontrollably; with tears flowing.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 7:21 AM

Absolutely ridiculous.....Grow up already!!!!!

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 2:54 PM

Little Dude, clearly Sara is using satire to describe her feelings about Republican behavior. That is one tool used in debate.

You on the other hand are pretending that she is saying the words seriously which I would call, buffoonery, another tool in debate.

I believe that most people would agree that satire is a stronger debate tool than buffoonery. However, your personality may be more suited to buffoonery as is your little friend CoolBreeze who is also EntertainedbyIdiots and so enjoys your company on the blog.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 1:29 PM


April 7, 2014 7:25 A.M.

"More ways we will need to change to become good and devout republicans". One might assume she is including her self in "we".

I can only comprehend that she has finally seen the light and is considering a change. It's not so much my comprehension, but rather liberals failing to say what they really mean.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 11:20 AM

Little Dude, Sara was very clear in her writing and said nothing about paying for your golf.

But your lack of basic reading comprehension can maybe be explained. The following link is to an article where researchers are starting to see that reading comprehension is going downhill due to internet "scanning and skimming" for key phrases. It is starting to change people's brains making it difficult for them to really read and understand a passage of information.


I myself frequently read in the evenings from a variety of books using my e-reader. Hopefully that lessons the negative effect of Internet "scanning and skimming".

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 10:56 AM


I didn't misread it. She did a terrible job of writing it. I am so happy that you have found my feminine side. In a world far far left, that might mean that I am entitled to a whole new set of rights.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 7:28 AM

Hey Boys, a nice lady from the high school sent us this. "Helping poor unfortunate souls can come in many different forms. The dude and breeze might need to stand in line to get their red,white and blue welfare golf card." ;;; Her words, not ours

She included this information but do your own research Boys;

** Council Minutes -- February 10, 2014

K. Approve Budgeted Transfer from General Fund in the amount of $459,732.00

# Economic Development in the amount $88,301.00

# Golf Course - Debt Stabilization in the amount of $230,000.00

# Golf Course - Operating Subsidy in the amount of $141,423.00 **

What's that little word up there, Subsidy; and it's connected to the other words; Golf Course. Choo, choo Boys. Marching practice will be on the moist greens this week.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 7:11 AM

Jake is the golf course superintendent not the grounds keeper, CoolBreeze. He seems like a good guy.

I'd say that he is an example of our tax dollars at work however, I don't know if the golf course is, or is not, able to pay it's way without additional funding from the city.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 10:32 PM

I saw that jobs were up in March. Some economists think that although slow progress this is good.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM

Well Dudette it looks like you and your little friends are both in touch with your feminine side and your inner child. Now try reading S-C's post again. You misread it and the scary part is that I don't think it was on purpose. Idaho needs to work harder on education.

-- Posted by Geordey on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 9:05 PM


Really, I've read your posts. Now for this free golf, am I going to get some sort of plastic card to present to the desk at the course??

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 4:14 PM

Sorry, little Dude. I'm not interested in participating in school girlish chatter. Chat with someone else.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 3:44 PM


I'm ALL IN for the fully funded golf part.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 12:56 PM

Good points on Republican behavior, Sara.

Too bad CB, Mr.427539, and Dude have no compelling argument against what you say and so have resorted to school girlish chatter about you personally.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 12:41 PM

This could be the last time we post on this webpage forever". Posted by sara-conner

We can really hope this is true.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 10:25 AM

Well it didn't last. More drivel!!!

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 11:05 AM


Did Sara just offer to pay our green fees??

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 9:16 AM

More ways we will need to change to become good and devout Republicans.

# Make sure most, if not all decisions in a woman's life are made by legislators and government. Those silly liberals think decisions about a woman's body are between her conscience, her doctor and her God. In the good old day, we didn't give women shoes.

# Good and devout Republicans will have to limit tinkering with cars and the mowing of grass but concentrate on polishing our diamonds. Republicans like Pat Robertson can really polish those gems just like they did in the good old days.

# Good and devout Republicans love freedom of the press but who said anything about letting those guys into this gig. We will fight to close down the media outlet called Al Jazeera. Look how it's spelled; they must be a terrorist organization.

# Teach them to dig and take away those SNAP cards. In the old days, we'd dig deep; find the dinosaur bones and make soup from them. Good and devout Republicans love fresh dinosaur bone soup.

# Fully funding the local golf course, our municipal airport and subsidizing vacation homes is patriotic. Funding local education is socialism. Can I hear an Amen to that from all good and devout Republicans.

# Good and devout Republicans should manufacture huge amounts of outrage when a baseball player takes a selfie with Obama. Comparing selfies with socialism, the economy or insider trading can make Republicans look smarter for some reason.

Please join us for glasses of koolaid on the Paranoia Wayne Train this week. It will be just like the good old days.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 7:25 AM


The course is fantastic. I hope it holds up this summer with a drought and all. Enjoying it now though.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Apr 6, 2014, at 9:16 AM

One of my nephews has done a number of tours in Afghanistan in the military. And the post about Afghanistan is good news of stability in that country without the United States having such a large presence there.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Apr 5, 2014, at 11:27 PM

Afghanistan had a peaceful election.

"The election brings Afghanistan a step closer to the first peaceful and democratic transfer of power in the history of the country, where presidents and kings more often leave dead or deposed. Whoever moves into the presidential palace, though, will face a thriving Taliban insurgency, deeply ingrained government corruption and the need to negotiate a future relationship with the departing United States, which has propped up and paid for the Afghan government and its soldiers and police for a dozen years."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Apr 5, 2014, at 11:25 PM

This is the problem with your political commentary on this site. Nothing that you type is ever going to change someones point of view. There have been 8 entries since my last post and nothing constructive was posted.

Any news on the special WECRD meeting that they held the other day? A previous commitment interfered with my attending.

-- Posted by gmoney on Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM

Sara-Connor, I appreciate your well thought out evaluations of various behaviors that can be seen in the country. Please keep them up.

If some people are responding negatively to your posts, I think that it might be that you are closer to the truth than they'd like to admit.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 11:11 AM

"This could be the last time we post on this webpage forever". Posted by sara-conner

We can really hope this is true.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 10:25 AM

This could be the last time we post on this webpage forever. Why; because we saw the light; we understand what the Republicans are saying; the moral high ground is firmly on the conservative side of the court.

Let us investigate how we will change to become good and devout Republicans.

# Complain about everything; even if it helps us or helps others; we will complain and look angry because that is what a devout Republican does.

# Tell everyone we support education but not enough to fund schools. Moral support is good enough for kids; back in the good old days education consisted solely of beatings by the parents and that made us smart and devout Republicans, we think.

# We will tell everyone we know the government is corrupt and our enemy. All devout Republicans believe this.

# Fight to make sure as few people as possible have health care insurance; we will hate health care even if 7 million peeps just obtained it because we will hate health care insurance; in the good old days true patriots put a musketball between their teeth and let the barber cut out those nuisance pieces of our bodies for $3.50. Devout Republicans think musketball medicine works better and it's cheaper.

Maybe we haven't learned enough about the good old days yet. The Republicans have regaled us with stories and wisdom from the good old days we couldn't possibly get it all down in one post. We'll be back to share more of what we have learned from our new devout Republican elders. Maybe not today but by Monday we should have more mad ways to become a devout Republican.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 7:19 AM

CB when you said that is a waste of time to argue with idiots did you mean that because it was my understanding that you were entertainedbyidiots.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 10:12 PM

Goatbeard, I probably should not have included you in the group that didn't want to share. However, has it occurred to you that it is offensive to refer to what others post as "babble"? Just a suggestion but that does give the impression that their comments are not welcome, and therefore does not suggest a "sharing" intention on your part.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 9:30 PM

Gosh Sam......where do you get your babble from anyway? Who said anything about sharing? There's plenty of room for all to share. The thing being talked about, in my little post anyway, was the spin. Nothing quoted or said had anything to do with the way I had originally written it. But as usual, sarah having answered, she needed your backup in order to authenticate it. Glad you weren't asleep at the throttle.....Good day sir.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM

Here is something that I thought was amusing.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 6:34 PM

I have an idea goatbeard, gmoney and old guy. Since you have such a problem with SHARING the banter box maybe you should find a new home so that you are less bothered?

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind sharing with you and I will even comment now and then on what you say. I just hate to see a bunch of people so miserable all of the time.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 6:21 PM

First, I'd like to say that all of you political idiots should start your own banter site.Then you can fill it with your non-sense, non-drabble and insults. All you accomplish now is to turn us readers away from the important news, opinions and ideas that affect Elmore County.

I think the Guard coming here would be great for our community especially since the city has had very little success in bringing in business. The economic development position the city has been a drain on city funds for 20 years with few results(cheese factory only).

-- Posted by gmoney on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 5:35 PM

I see that not much has changed with all the posts about political parties an beliefs. Nice to know that all these "experts" have a fix for everything. I suggested that some of them step up and correct local issues but I doubt that any of them will. And yes, before the mudslinging starts, I saw a local problem, went before leadership and affected change. I do so calmly and without name calling. Unlike others, this is my last comment on this issue. Let the mudslinging begin.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 4:57 PM


Well said.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 9:01 AM

Good morning Sara.....Lord what a peck o babble. I think I mentioned that I despised the parties and their rhetoric. I can think for myself, I don't need partisan politics to to help me decide how to vote. I don't know about the others whose minds you read but you did an absolutely wonderful job of spinning my short paragraph into more liberal babble. It's my own opinion that you are probably a Berkley liberal from Caliofornia or possibly blind. Maybe even ignorant. See, l can call names too even knowing it will garner another explosive response of babble from you and you soul supporter who tries to back up everything you post here. Have a good day ma'am

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 8:08 AM

Allen Niksich wrote a great letter to the editor titled "School more than sports". He outlined most of the great extracurricular activities Mountain Home schools have to offer. Allen hopes to encourage the public to come out and watch the students perform "plays, debates, speech, chorus or band events". He insinuated these activities made a Yes vote on the levy worthwhile. While supporting these activities is admirable and worthwhile, this is not where I would like to see my tax dollars spent.

This district lacks in the ability to teach the much needed skills of old; reading, writing, history and math. Check the school rankings based on standardized testing. When my parents sent me to school, they expected me to get an education and I expected the same when my kids started school. Extracurricular activities were just that, extra, there was no importance placed on them. If I wanted to play baseball my grades had to be acceptable.

Allen is correct, school is more than sports but we seem to lost focus on what the "more" should be. Music, drama, speech, debate and sports are important and should be supported but they should not be the focus of education. I will continue to vote No on these levies until the district places more importance on education.

-- Posted by jtrotter on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 7:58 AM

The Republican party acts as if they are proud of their vision like it's somehow magical and farseeing.

# We know one has boasted his conservative brand of politics has enabled him to see all sides of a political issue and clearly cut through the clutter; automagically.

# Another Republican not only can see all 50 new businesses in Mountain Home are unlicensed and owned by undocumented immigrants but can also see these undesirable folks are stealing jobs away from the high school students. And he can automagically determine this just by watching pickup trucks driving around the city.

# The latest Republican visionary watches shoppers at our big box store. He can automagically determine which shoppers are liberals, military families, people who he needs to help or people he doesn't necessarily want to provide for. He can even automagically see the color of their credit cards.

# There is a large cabal of Republican eyes that are automagically focused on every political post on this webpage. They complain constantly they don't want to read the liberal devil talk, engage in the liberal devil discussion nor even have it written on their very own local liberal rag news source. But the magical Republican eyes just won't allow them to stop reading it; or so they claim.

We are just a wee bit jealous of Republicans that posses these automagical seeing powers. The only powers all Democrats seem to possess; Intelligence and common sense. Do you Boys acquire your automagical seeing powers on the Paranoia Wayne Train or only during marching practice.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 7:35 AM

Dude are you supporting a dress code for Mountain Home? Or are you suggesting that people that may be on some kind of government assistance got paid yesterday and they don't know how to dress?

It was pay day for a lot of people. I got paid on the 31st and I don't get any money at all from any government. I worked all day today in flip flops and I was pretty comfortable.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 5:31 PM

Interesting story,


-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 11:44 AM

No. Just the ones wearing dirty pajamas at the big box stores. Never shopped in a store on a military base. Too bad the young families in the military are losing the benefits though. I don't mind helping, but providing is a different story.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 8:36 AM

Those darned ole military peeps shopping in PJ's and carrying the communist flag with them. Not at big box stores but on military posts.

DoD: 5,000 Military Families Losing Food Stamps at http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/...

Or didn't you mean those folks dudewheresmycar

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 7:52 AM

The Republicans like to brag they are ruled by the US Constitution. Yet one of their go to guys for Scandal Mongering and all things Patriot, said this.

** Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) said this week that the constitutional separation between church and state was meant to be a "one-way wall" where the "church plays a role in the state." **

There are Professors of Constitutional Law such as Obama. There are Rhodes Scholars such as Bill Clinton and then there are Dr. Seuss educated congressmen such as Louie Gohmert. Do the research and you'll discover the real intelligence community called the Democrat Party.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 7:34 AM

Old Guy,

The "debit cards" loaded with tax dollars are red, white and blue. Absolutely no reference to the Military.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 7:24 AM

This is a link where Bill Maher is educating the Tea Party on the Founding Fathers, something that I found enjoyable.

Let me know if you have any problems seeing the link and I'll work on that.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 7:27 PM


By "Red, White and Blue" are referring to the military? Just wondering exactly what you mean?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 4:53 PM


I just think it would be nice to come to the banter box and not see the same political views from the same people everyday. Have any of you ever tried to effect any type of change in the political system? To me it seems that most of you have answers for all the nations issues but until you are willing to step forward and try to effect change, they are just words with no meaning.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 4:17 PM

Careful out there. It's the 1st day of the month. Shop in your pajamas day. Red, White and Blue liberal furnished plastic everywhere.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 12:52 PM

More democrats getting caught, Im shocked.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 12:11 PM

It looks like the persistently vocal Glenn Beck is now oddly silent after a lawsuit for defamation has been filed. He claimed that someone that was injured in the bombing was a participant and the money man for the bombing despite the fact that the FBI had cleared him right away after interviewing him. The link and an excerpt from this is below.


"Beck repeatedly and falsely identified Mr. Alharbi as an active participant, repeatedly questioned the motives of federal officials in failing to pursue or detain Alharbi and repeatedly and falsely accused Mr. Alharbi of being a criminal who had funded the attacks," the lawsuit says.

Beck's allegations added to a cacophony of misinformation that rose out of the Boston bombings, as anonymous Redditors vented unsubstantiated suspicions, and the New York Post plastered its own accusations on the paper's cover. (The New York Post was sued for defamation in Massachusetts court over the matter, and the case is pending.)

Beck, normally a frenetic Tweeter, has remained quiet since the lawsuit was filed.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 10:20 AM

The path forward isn't with the Republicans nor their illegitimate partners in obstructionism called the Tea Party. How do we know this; How can you be sure; Read how resistant to change the Republicans are with you own eyes.

Republican Senate candidate, Mr Chris McDaniels said this at a recent gathering of cattlemen:

"Millions in this country feel like strangers in this land. You recognize that, don't you? An older America is passing away. A newer America is rising to take its place. We recoil from that culture. It's foreign to us. It's offensive to us."

Drama, fear, hate and manufactured outrage at a new America? The same America that has been changing, improving and leading the world for 200 years; is that the new America millions of Republicans find offensive and recoil from; The Democrats are fighting for every American while Republicans seem to want to fight against almost every American.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 7:21 AM

By all means post something that isn't drivel, DANSHL to set a good example. I don't think calling what other posters post as drivel can be considered a good example of anything. So show us all the proper way to do things.

-- Posted by Geordey on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 9:24 PM

Just to clarify, Old Guy, I was working in front of a computer, and on the phone from 7:00 am to 6:00 pm today with some breaks. I imagine we all have different mediums in which we work. The nature of my work gives me some flexibility, although I frequently have to work long hours.

I was not aware of the car dealership situation, and I suppose that would be a monopoly for those with limited travel to other cities. But what can you do? It seems to be free enterprise at work but I respect your thoughts on the matter.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 8:13 PM

Old Guy,

You are absolutely right. I used to see a lot of little tidbits about our community and the surrounding area posted here, now all I see is drivel! One of these guys even had the nerve a while back to ask another blogger to change the way he posts so his drivel doesn't drop to the bottom as fast!! I keep checking in and have to scroll through endless "I am rubber, you are glue" rhetoric only to find that's all this blog is made up of! And forget about posting, nobody can say anything without others just assuming to know all about their politics and religious beliefs. It has become nothing but a forum for anonymous people to attack one another like a bunch of bullying pre-teens.

Now to answer your question, other than the things you stated (they have to eat lunch somewhere, etc) I think the impact will be minimal.

-- Posted by DANSHL on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 7:07 PM

Oh and I patiently stayed off the banter box all day because I was working all day not sitting in front of a computer waiting to make a comment.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 7:03 PM

Anyone notice that Auto Ranch bought out Performance Chevrolet? Last I heard, they are trying to figure out how to move the entire dealership to the location near I84. Sounds like another large building will be empty, unless someone knows of a incoming business. Just seems to me Auto Ranch is becoming a monopoly in the town.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 7:00 PM

I've patiently stayed off the banter box all day to give people like Old Guy the chance of discussing topics that they are interested in without any distractions of political comments.

But I haven't seen any topic except that the banter box is all bad because of the political commenters. Don't get me wrong, some lines have been crossed. The opinion on WHICH lines have been crossed, and by WHOM, I'd guess from past comments, frequently and unfortunately depends on each person's OWN POLITICAL VIEW.

Here is an interesting political concept. Joe, Old Guy, McCallumS feel free to stop reading and post your interesting topic after you see mine.

For others that are interested, Bill Maher is coming up with candidates for a "Flip the District" campaign. What this is about is Republican candidates because of gerrymandering frequently have a pretty safe seat. Some of them are terrible candidates. One began his campaign by threatening to throw a reporter over the balcony for asking a difficult question.

Maher is getting candidate names from multiple sources and the winner of "Flip the District" who will be both a very bad person, and possible with extra help to defeat. The extra help is Maher using his time, his money, and his bully pulpit, to campaign for the opposing candidate.

So "Flip the District" seems like a good idea and I think will get a lot of attention to the unfair practice of gerrymandering in order to have safe Republican seats.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 6:53 PM

Sorry I am so frustrated that I am not going to dig through all the mudsling, childish name calling to find my post. My comment was to make someone in charge realize that it has gotten out of hand and those doing it need to be put in check. I agree with other posters, time for them to get their own banter box.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 5:32 PM

It's shameful what this forum has become, and whether those monitoring this site care to acknowledge it or not, it does reflect on this paper and this town.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 2:47 PM

I mentioned it because you sometimes seem, Joe, as if you are criticizing others for behavior that you also participate in.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 2:23 PM

That matters how IT? Just a suggestion. Not all like to wade through the political playground that has been created here.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 12:41 PM

Joe aren't you part of these political commenters? I seem to have seen some of your comments?

There was a comment about the mayor and the leftist rag. A post about a Democrat from North Carolina. A comment to Sara about her political party. Complaints about MHSD and it's budget. And many more.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 12:26 PM

At a minimum give the political gang their own corner to play in. Most are tired of seeing it.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 11:22 AM

Editor, perhaps you should shut this 'Banter Box' down for a couple days/weeks, a "timeout" as it were, so that all these folks can take a break, get a better bearing on life, come back refreshed and perhaps quit the name calling and back-biting and establish a more positive way of disagreeing? .02

-- Posted by ltngblt on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 9:52 AM

It looks like entertainedbyidiots didn't want it know that he was also CoolBreeze and GetRealNow and so decided to cover the whole blog with the Constitution and Declaration of Indepence.

The Constitution isn't complete without including its amendments though. Through the attachment of the first ten amendments before ratification our forefathers established that it was a living document (one that can be changed).

-- Posted by Geordey on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 9:22 AM

Try posting your question again, Old Guy. I will try to be more respectful to your blog space.

Hopefully, entertained, CB, GetRealNow are finished posting the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 7:34 AM

This site is getting awfully BORING !!! Nothing good locally we can disagree on ?? New Animal Shelter, School Board Elections, Pot Holes in the Streets, A10's, Water Shortage Drought, NCAA Final 4, NFL Rule Changes ????

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 7:33 AM

I thought about posting information about some local events but since others have turned this banter box into their personal way to attack each other, I figure it will just get lost. I wish those that keep disagreeing over politics would meet at a coffee shop and hold your debates there or at the very least run for a local office and fix everything that is wrong. Yes I know you have the right of free speech as well as I do. It has just gotten out of hand with a few posters and no one else can seem to post anything. For example, I posed a simple question about something that could affect this town and it was lost in all the mud slinging. That is my opinion and like you, I have the right to speak my mind. Let the name calling begin again.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 5:20 AM

I am surprised that you haven't donned a new name after outting yourself this week end as being not omly CB and entertained but also Get Real Now.

Anyway, carry on with the whining.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 6:15 PM

Republicans gathered 51 times for the sole purpose of getting rid of the ACA or ObamaCare. They failed because; we don't know why the Republicans failed to repeal and or defund it. But failures they appear to be.

Now these same Republicans are saying "See, the peeps don't like ObamaCare at all". Are Republicans really so dense in the head they don't understand this whole thing. Or maybe spreading fear and hate is their message.

Yet, the Republicans in the past 4 years have had ample opportunity to improve or replace the ACA with something better. And what have the Republicans brought to the table. That's right, the Republicans whine, cry, point fingers, drool, shout, pull their guns in grocery stores. But good ideas; that's the job of the intelligent wing of the Republican Party.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 3:51 PM

You are predictable CoolBreeze. It's amazing how you seem to think that you speak to what Americans think but are unable to provide a factual basis for that.

You seem to have nothing to add but dishonest analysis based on what you wish was true. Too bad for you. You bore me.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 3:35 PM

You summary of the link that you posted lacked important information, which was misleading. The link itself was balanced and very similar to links previously posted on this blog. Most people, Democrats and Republicans, believe that the law should be tweaked.

A quote from the article, to add balance, is below.

"Repealing the health care law is the rallying cry of Republicans running to capture control of the Senate in the fall elections. The Republican-led House has already voted more than 50 times to repeal, defund or scale back "Obamacare," but has been stymied in its crusade by Democrats running the Senate. Playing defense, Democrats are campaigning with a message of fixing the law to make it work better.

The poll found that 7 in 10 Americans believe the law will be implemented with changes."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 1:09 PM

"Facts" coming from a blog written by someone that has no journalist or researcher credentials, and doesn't even try to back up his "facts" do not stand up to facts from a reliable source backing up his facts.

You've always had a hard time understanding that GetRealNow/CoolBreeze/EntertainedbyIdiots haven't you? -- Too bad. That makes it difficult for you to engage in any reasonable debate which is why you frequently feel that you need to resort to name calling.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 11:33 AM

CB you seem to be losing it. Your numbered responses were disjointed and didn't match what you were arguing against. I saw that a couple of days ago to when you started responding as if you were GetRealNow. What's going on? Is everything ok?

-- Posted by Geordey on Sun, Mar 30, 2014, at 12:17 AM

In your not so humble opinion you THINK that you refute what I post.

I'll continue to post the truth, and topics that I think that are worth noting as do others on this blog.

When you cross a line on morals, leaving out facts, providing links to disreputable web sites, using plagiarism, and other similar things I will call you out on this -- when I have the time. Sometimes, I will ignore it just out of boredom.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 7:36 PM

CoolBreeze, the post is about what Congress plans to do, not the man that you hate, Obama. Your arguments are contrary to fact and logic, and seem to only support the scare tactics from the extreme right.

1. You are incorrect in your doom and gloom comment on raising the minimum wage. Arguments for and against this are at this link.


The state of Washington tried this and it had good results.

2. The above article addresses your scare tactic on reducing jobs. There is nothing wrong with looking for ways to increase jobs. Kudos to the Democrats in Congress.

3. There are a lot of reasons to go to college, so making it affordable is a good idea. Polls have shown that both Republicans and Democrats from the middle class want this. No need to distract people from a good goal of going to college with negativity about jobs.

4. Your comment for your item 4 was just more Obama hate talk instead of the subject that you are supposedly arguing against which is Congressional Democrats and their message. Your link is to a web blogger, not a journalist or researcher and he doesn't back up his facts. -- That was a waste of my time to even look at that.

5. Nobody, but you, suggested that putting people on welfare would lower child care costs. If you will look at item 1 and the link that I provided, above, raising the minimum wage should reduce significantly the amount of welfare costs. There are other ways for people to lower child care costs. No reason to jump to a scare phrases of putting more people on welfare. One doesn't have to do with the other.

Your reference to the word racist, when fighting Obama didn't make sense. The only times that I've seen when people have said that you are a racist is when you make racist comments.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 6:47 PM

In preparation for the 2014 elections, the Democrats in Congress are reported to be trying to push a message called "A Fair Shot for Everyone". They will be bringing forward legislation soon for this. This legislation includes:

1. Increasing the minimum wage

2. Increasing jobs

3. Making college more affordable

4. Medicare benefits protection

5. Discouraging offshore business

6. Lowering child care costs

The bills won't become law because they will be stopped in the Republican controlled House of Representatives but they do give the message, IMO, of look what we can have if we can prevent the House from blocking progress.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 1:08 PM

if this is all the substance your posts comprise, why post at all? Nothing but insults from you on anyone disagreeing with the way you see things. It needs to stop. You need to turn this blog back over to the people who live in Mountain Home. We are all tired of your incessant and ridiculous posts.

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 11:33 AM

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 10:25 AM

Dude you seem to be a watcher, not a doer, salivating your lips over a heated discussion.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 9:58 AM

Pointing out the incorrectness of something that you post, as I do, has nothing to do with trying to "bait, berate, insult, demean". When Sara posts her points about Republican behavior, basing it on actual events and observations that also has nothing to do with trying to "bait, berate, insult, demean".

Those are just valid political discussions. Your Ad hominem comments make no valid points and cross a moral line.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 9:47 AM

A couple sets of gloves and a ring would be fun :)

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 9:41 AM

CoolBreeze, in regards to your "Could this be sara?" with a disgusting link that you posted on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 8:16 AM, here is a word for you to learn, which may help you to make your arguments persuasive rather than boorish.


Ad hominem

An attack upon an opponent in order to discredit their arguement or opinion. Ad hominems are used by immature and/or unintelligent people because they are unable to counter their opponent using logic and intelligence.

Person A: I think we should spend more money on environmental protection.

Person B: You just think that because you're a stupid tree-hugger.

Person A: It is crucial that we facilitate adequate means to prevent degradation that would jeopardize the project.

Person B: You think that just because you use big words makes you sound smart? Shut up you loser; you don't know what you're talking about.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 8:46 AM

Sammy/sara, if this is all the substance your posts comprise, why post at all? Nothing but insults from you on anyone disagreeing with the way you see things. It needs to stop. You need to turn this blog back over to the people who live in Mountain Home. We are all tired of your incessant and ridiculous posts.

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 11:33 AM

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 8:24 AM

Are the Democrats are playing evil, dirty politics; You'll believe this newest scandal if and only if you are a Republican; and you love and get that funny feeling in your stomach when you listen to one of the top 10 most influential people in America each day.

That's right Republican scandal fans; Rush Limbaugh did the research; he dug deep and put the dots together; he blended it all together; then spread his secret Republican flavored scandal sauce all over the airwaves.

The hero of all Republican heroes now says;

# The arrests of three Democratic politicians on corruption charges are part of a Democratic conspiracy.

# "It is entirely possible that what is going on here is that the head honchos of the Democrat party are basically behind an effort to take out all of their bad apples before the election, make them old news by the time the election comes around.

The data is out there and you could do the research; You'll find the Republicans want to control your vote with fear, hate and misinformation. Break free from their hate chains. You'll be happy you did.

The Paranoia Wayne Train, The Republican Fear, Hate and Misinformation Train and the Crazy Train will be running the tracks through Mountain Home all weekend. Choo, Choo Boys; marching practice begins at 1330.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 7:34 AM

CoolBreeze is providing a headline but not all of the facts. The article says "A new poll shows that just 26 percent of Americans support Obamacare, but at the same time only 13 percent think the law will be completely repealed." The video with it explains two additional facts.

1. 54% of Americans feel that ObamaCare will remain on the books with minor changes.

2. Americans having problems getting affordable insurance are those, like in the state of Georgia, that refused to expand Medicaid so that people with low incomes could still get insurance. That is a state issue, not ObamaCare.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 11:55 PM

Do I get to join the "breakfast club"? These people seem like great people, although I don't think CoolBreeze thinks of it as a compliment when he calls people the "breakfast club".

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 9:20 PM

Sammy/sara, if this is all the substance your posts comprise, why post at all? Nothing but insults from you on anyone disagreeing with the way you see things. It needs to stop. You need to turn this blog back over to the people who live in Mountain Home. We are all tired of your incessant and ridiculous posts.

-- Posted by CoolBreeze83647 on Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 11:33 AM

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 6:48 PM

Heckling is sometimes a substitute for logic and facts or to cover up embarrassment.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 5:29 PM

Still heckling people CoolBreeze?

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 3:34 PM

Psst,the A-10's are not coming here.

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 2:02 PM

As mature as most replies in the bicker box. Continue on please.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM

Joe you mentioned kindergarten. Do you think calling MHN a "leftist rag" is mature? I think it is fairly moderate although leaning to conservative on a lot of things. It seems to be more liberal on schools.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 12:46 PM

Moral Majority,

I agree about the A-10's coming here. Would also like to think our mayor give an interview/comment in our local leftist rag called a paper as well as the Boise tv station.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 10:42 AM

It is a great idea to have the A-10s move here. Lots more money in town. I sure would rather see this coming to our base, than some of the other folks they want to bring here.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 10:00 AM

For those concerned about the United States keeping its technological edge, you may find the link below interesting. The article details the results of a poll about how Americans feel about this and encouraging STEM students to be educated here and eventually become citizens. Amnesty of illegal immigrants does not apply to this discussion.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 9:59 AM

Another lying hypocrate bites the dust!


-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 9:57 AM

Despite being spring break I see kindergarten in still in session....smh

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM


1. On your falsely saying that the bill says what the "added opinion" footnote actually says, I think your own link and your comment speaks to that.

2. On the STEM students and both parties wanting to encourage them to become Americans, I previously cited a link when I first brought that up. Look for it yourself or I'd also suggest doing more in-depth and careful research.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 9:33 AM

The Republican Party

Winning elections since 2008 by spreading fearing, misinformation and gerrymandering. If it wasn't for very old ideas, the Republican propagenda bucket list would be empty.

Wasn't it Sen.Ted Cruz, the Republican's newest hero, that said;

Mr Putin tear down this wall so we can rebuild it in the USA.

"It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 7:25 AM

Old guy, I agree that is good news for Mountain Home.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 6:59 AM

Just to be clear, when CoolBreeze says"

"What the legislation does state is, "The First Amendment allows everyone to publish, and journalists cannot be licensed by the government.

However, not everyone can refuse to comply with an otherwise valid court order to ...."

he is being untruthful. The legislation doesn't say this, the footnote from the additional opinions in the committee report says that.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 6:53 AM

The link that I posted to the actual 2013 Free Flow of Information Act worked when posted, however the government site has been redesigned, so you get an error and then it takes you to the main judiciary page.

What you quoted from CoolBreeze without citing a source was a footnote which was part of a report by the judiciary committee on the Act that listed minority and other opinions. This footnote opinion was clearly not the thinking of the majority of the committee.

Were you attempting to deceive by cherry picking in the report for an opinion that you liked but not mentioning where that opinion came from?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 6:49 AM

Sam_1776; your link to the Senate Judiciary Committee is as faulty as your logic. What the legislation does state is, "The First Amendment allows everyone to publish, and journalists cannot be licensed by the government.

However, not everyone can refuse to comply with an otherwise valid court order to testify. Other testimonial privileges like the attorney-client or the doctor-patient privileges are easy to apply: anyone who is a licensed attorney or physician cannot be compelled to testify about clients or patients. But because journalists are not licensed, the Free Flow of Information Act must include a definition of who qualifies to invoke the privilege to protect a confidential source. Thus, while every citizen is free to publish pursuant to the First Amendment, the Free Flow of Information Act would delineate who may resist a court order to testify in federal court and who may not."

In other words, a journalist, being unlicensed, who seeks to protect their source or sources could otherwise be compelled to testify and reveal that source, thus violating the confidentiality of said source and perhaps placing said source in harm's way. Is this what the founding father's wanted when they drafted protections for the freedom of the press? Or is this another erosion of one of our most cherished freedoms. I don't give a damn if you are republican or democrat, if you support this legislation, you need to voted out of office. Can one infer that one would need a license to avoid said mandatory compulsion? Seems reasonable based on the language used in the text of the bill. I mean, doctors and lawyers are licensed; right?

The real link is at: http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/medi...

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 11:19 PM

Rest in peace, Jim Suprise.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 10:53 PM

I noticed that inquiring minds seem to think that although the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) pretends to be "independent" it seems to have one agenda, which is to say that America's immigration system, and immigrants in general are bad. To make this point it manipulates data which is regularly debunked by mainstream (not extremist) organizations.

But ignore that. Congress, both Republicans and Democrats want immigration reform. Everyone wants the STEM students to become citizens. Republicans just don't want people from Mexico, Central America, or South America. Canada is okay. I wonder why that is?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 10:40 PM

For a change of pace, let's get thoughts on a local event that could affect us. What do you think about the proposal to relocate IDANG from Gowen Field to Mt Home AFB? I think that even if many of the people do not move here but commute, our local economy could still benefit. Those commuting have to eat somewhere, fill up vehicles and use other services. What do you say? Will this be good or bad for Mt Home if it does happen?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 10:13 PM

Moral majority, "All too often, the debate about immigration is dominated by fear and misinformation."


I'd recommend getting correct information from the above web site.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 3:38 PM

Could the current administration be any more corrupt?


-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 12:05 PM

It seems what people post on here depends on which news network they watch and then repeat/re-write on this site. Like switching back and forth from CNN to FOX. A persons own personal view regardless of their party affiliation might be more interesting. It has to be impossible to agree with EVERYTHING within your party.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 11:54 AM

We dont need reform on immigration, we simply need to ENFORCE the laws on the books. Really simple.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 11:42 AM

I probably won't be following too closely the problems of the mayor of Charlotte, North Carolina because corruption crosses parties, states, and countries. Now if this affected Idaho I would be interested.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 11:19 AM

A fine up standing Democrat we have here;


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 10:43 AM

The House Democrats are going to attempt passing a "discharge petition" which allows a majority to force a vote on the immigration bill. Unfortunately, they don't think that they will be able to pass the discharge petition because no Republican will vote for it.

Even if they could pass it, apparently they still won't have a majority to pass the bill because almost all Republicans will vote against it.

So, once again, Congress can't move forward on needed reform. A compromise bill is needed so that at least some progress can be made.

I also think that there is a racial aspect to the need to have a fence between Mexico and the United States when nobody is worrying about a fence between Canada and the United States. That fence seems to be one of the stumbling blocks for progress.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 8:40 AM

An already passed US Senate bipartisan immigration reform bill would very likely pass the Republican-led House if the Tea Party leaders would bring it to a vote. Why won't the Republicans bring this popular bill up for a vote. They want the bill to include a silly 1,500 miles border fence plus other silly demands.

Knowing this bill will reduce the deficit isn't enough for the Republicans. They know the Democrats want to move forward but building walls seems like the only thing conservative know how to do these days. That's both literal and figurative walls.

Do your research. If building walls and fences is the only way Republican candidates can show their leadership skills maybe you need to look past them to move forward. The Democrat Party wants to move through all those fences and continue building upon the greatest nation in the world. How great can we get without the Republican wall of obstruction.

Choo choo Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 7:06 AM

CB + 1

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Wed, Mar 26, 2014, at 11:41 AM

Paul Ryan said this in response to argumentum ad hominen comments made on his arguments.

"It's really kind of amazing. You know, we're really not going to have a good, adult debate on these issues if we keep impugning people's motives, and if we keep calling people names, and if we keep throwing baseless charges at each other."

Ad hominem is a rejection of an argument not based on logic. Argumentum ad hominem is rejecting an argument using irrelevant information about the person making the argument.

That is something IMO we should avoid doing.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 26, 2014, at 7:47 AM

Discussions of issues are good. Unnecessary insults are another. Here is what I've noticed since this morning in regards to insults.

CB leads with 3

Sam 2

Dude 1

Jtrotter 1

Pot meet kettle.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 4:59 PM

19 years ago, David Brock, a well known Clinton hater was in Arkansas trying to dig up dirt on Hilary Clinton. He didn't care if it was true or not.

Now he has reformed. Looking back he said "At it's root, I realized, Clinton-hating had nothing to do with what the Clintons did and did not do. It had everything to do with fear of the kind of change they represented on one hand -- and on the other, a newly brutal form of partisan politics."

Brock now tries to correct what he calls "sordid check-book journalism". I think that we could all try to do that and move the level of conversation to a higher level.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 4:37 PM

Sam/sara have only one goal, spreading hate. They only post to drive others down to the level of disrespect. sara-conner has the most radical, hate filled attitude of anyone on this site. These two will never change their attitudes so all we can do is ignore them and hope they go somewhere else to spread their message of hate.

-- Posted by jtrotter on Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM

In order to consider a post or someone's opinion and insult, you must first personally value and respect that persons opinion.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 1:26 PM

Yes, I am afraid that I will split my side open being EntertainedbyIdiots, as CoolBreeze likes to call himself.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 10:22 AM

Remember to vote come November, and if your happy with the way our country is going, then by all means vote for progressive liberal democrats. If your sick and tired of the direction our country is heading, then vote Conservative Republican. My money is on the Republicans taking back the Senate. Then they will have enough votes to prosicute or impeach the folks that have been using our Constitution as toilet paper. See ya at the polls!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 10:00 AM

Republicans are creating a bigger government with their ultra-right wing laws.

The newest study from the Judicial Review and Government Insight Committee shows 78% of all judicial members are very-extremely overworked, negatively effecting their ability to do the job they were charged to do. Overwhelming our judicial system and the justices themselves has resulted in the need to expand the pool of federal judges required by 19%.

Additional expenditures for these new salaries, new workspaces and renovation of old courtrooms in 2013 alone was $78,004,779. Reviewing cases brought on by conservative lawmakers to restrict the rights of minorities and women have increase 9 fold since 2009. Almost every law we've reviewed has resulted in that law being partially or completely overturned on Constitution grounds. This year it is looking even worse.

Brainwashed and dried. The Republican Party ideology needs to be hung in the back of the closet and taken out only for costume parties.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 7:09 AM

I notice that although an obscure New York Times reporter who has worked for the New York Times and the LA Times, has a beef. The New York Times didn't print the story. Only right wing sites seem to have printed the story.

So good for that guy. He has a right to his opinion. For you, CoolBreeze, and your other self, entertained, you seem to be attempting to distort the truth by emphasizing this one lone reporter's complaint that was reported by right wing web sites. He is one of about 45,000 reporters.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 24, 2014, at 10:52 PM

CoolBreeze83647; we're sure you see the irony in the liberal press publishing a story about a guy who makes the claim that the "Obama administration is the 'greatest enemy of press freedom' in a generation. Or maybe you don't and that's even more ironic.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Mar 24, 2014, at 8:56 PM

** Get off this blog, get off MHN, take all your other names with you, and I will leave as well. by CoolBreeze83647 **

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Mar 24, 2014, at 8:44 PM

Here is the flackcheck.org Lincoln vs. McClellan comments on you tube. You have to click on the different pictures to get the messages.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 24, 2014, at 6:56 PM

Here is a great web site!


It shows how some people attempt to deceive others, and how they have, by using various patterns of deception. It uses this for various discussion points that have showed up on this blog.

It teaches people how to be more discerning about what they see and hear.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 24, 2014, at 6:47 PM

Read the bill before you embarrass yourself (CoolBreeze)and yourself (entertained) any further.

The word license can not be found anywhere in the bill because the amendment is not about licensing of any kind.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 24, 2014, at 6:22 PM

I too am EntertainedbyIdiots, whose other self, CoolBreeze, posts misinformation about the Free Flow of Information Act including an amendment to it. The link for the actual act is posted below.

For those who are interested in the facts it includes the amendment where some protection is added for "qualified" journalists. There is no licensing involved to get that protection but you do need to be recognized by common sense criteria that you are a credible journalist and not something else, like a terrorist.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM

It's not a school district conspiracy; It's a scandal; a disgraceful scandal perpetrated on Republican American citizens by communists, liberals and Wayne the Scary One. This Wage Data Removal Tragedy may create school detention panels and even a wrestling team take-down order. It didn't have to be this way but "they" just wanted to distract the true patriots from the Benghazi scandal, Obama's real birth certificate scandal and the ending of two wars scandal.

We're entertainedbyidiots watching the Republicans attempt to manufacture outrage and fear in their base.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Mar 24, 2014, at 7:19 AM

It's my understanding that a school district employee whether paid by the federal government, the state, or the county is a public employee dude. The laws in Idaho speak to public employees and don't seem to differentiate the rules between school district employees and other public employees.

Like I said. Their salaries can be viewed on multiple web sites. There is no conspiracy of secrecy.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 23, 2014, at 6:06 PM

Not public employees Sam. School district employees. Remember the comment I made about the yo-yo a while back. It's starting to fit.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Mar 23, 2014, at 5:05 PM

It doesn't look to me like dude provided the much desired salary information. He is correct that salary information of public employees in Idaho is not confidential. He is wrong to think that every public employee works for you. They serve the general public as their job requires but you can't come in to their offices and, for example, tell them to make you a cup of coffee.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 23, 2014, at 4:18 PM


No I don't need to know, but why all of a sudden is the information removed from their web site.

dudewheresmycar provided the answer for me.

Thank You dude

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Sun, Mar 23, 2014, at 9:32 AM

When your pay or salary is paid from monies received from tax payers, and you are essentially an employee of the tax payer, the tax payer has a right to know what they are paying their employees. Far too much privacy going on in MHSD.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Mar 23, 2014, at 8:30 AM

Mr.427539 do you really need to know exactly what individual people make? Are you willing to share how much money you make or do you think that only MHSD employees have that lack of privacy?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 22, 2014, at 11:19 PM

Northside, sneak peek of the results have been posted. Am being told the LPH hunt was reduced to 300 from 400.


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Sat, Mar 22, 2014, at 11:43 AM


That is not the information that used to be on their website, it doesn't show what each individual receives of our tax payer money.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Sat, Mar 22, 2014, at 10:25 AM


Great question about the RMEF, the local banquet has raised a lot on money over the years, it would be nice to have some of it come back to our area.

I recognize that for the majority of the archery area conflict with landowner tags won't be an issue. Similar to your experience I haven't encountered any elk during the late archery hunt, but once again I'm up in higher terrain looking for deer. The big concern will be those areas down here in the flats where some folks may be archery hunting elk on public land right next to rifle hunters on the landowner tags. Though problems may generally be few, why set the conditions that allow for failure when many other options were available?

The bottom line for me and the half dozen or so folks I've talked to about this so far, almost all of which are archery hunters, is that there were options available that could've solved this while maintaining both the archery hunt and provided more opportunity for the general public instead of just the ranchers and their friends. Instead IDFG put the revised information out a the last possible minute making public comment/input impossible. Even splitting the 400 tags between a short range hunt in the originally proposed Blacks Creek to Bennett area with the other half going to the landowners would've been better (and still preserved the archery hunt). Instead the ranchers pretty much have their own private elk hunt for families and friends.

My number of 400 tags came directly from the hardcopy draft of rules handed out at Wednesday night's meeting. Though if nothing else changes, your 300 number would be better.

-- Posted by Northside on Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 6:05 PM

Here goes alot more of our jobs


-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 12:26 PM

The Senate passed an immigration reform bill, which will allow foreign born students with advanced STEM degrees to more easily become U.S. citizens. STEM stands for science, technology, engineering and math.

This is important because STEM technology is where the United States needs to advance in order to maintain our defense capabilities, among other things.

But ... the bill is getting nowhere in the House of Representatives. Why is that, you might ask? Well it turns out that although Republicans want STEM students to become citizens they don't want comprehensive immigration reform. They don't want comprehensive immigration reform in part because they are afraid that the Tea Party will get even with them by running Tea Party candidates against the Republican incumbents, like what is being attempted in Idaho with Mike Simpson.

More information on the STEM students and immigration reform can be found by going to the link below.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 11:15 AM

Samspade, your link only seems to adress Teacher salaries, and not Administrators. Mabye Im reading it wrong.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 11:13 AM

Mr.427539 Payroll can be found in the Master agreement


-- Posted by samspade on Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 10:03 AM

Reposting as it got buried by all the name callers.

A couple weeks ago I asked the question on this page (Why isn't the payroll information updated on the 193 district's web site.)

Now they have removed all the payroll information. What are they telling by doing that or what are they hiding?

The district's web site is available on the Mtn. Homes News home page.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 3:48 PM

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 9:51 AM

Could be that IT is busy or bored. Call your mother if you want your little friend to be scolded.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 8:37 AM


My first question, not directed directly to you would be. If the local RMEF chapter is so admittedly garnering the amount of monies they pound their chest about, where are they with the concern of the Mayfield area? Helping Colorado, New Mexico, or Tennessee?

I note your concern with the overlap of any weapon and archery hunters in the field at the same time. In my 11 years of hunting the late archery hunt in unit 39 I have seen elk once. Most years the elk are down near or on the private ground. Most archery deer hunters are on higher ground where a majority of deer are still. I have been told it is an accident waiting to happen. I would ask that you look at other states that have overlapping hunts, accidents are minimal.

Also have been told the 400 tags have been reduced to 300. Guess it will be a wait and see what they decide. At any rate a prime and popular archery hunt was saved from being eliminated and that was my main concern. Thanks for any and all help you have put into this effort.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 7:44 AM

Our little CoolBreeze83647 has made us an offer for the second time in the past few days. That offer effectively says;

** Get off this blog, get off MHN, take all your other names with you, and I will leave as well. **

And CoolBreeze83647 expects us to trust him for some reason. Why, when he is trending in the opposite direction of trust.

# Rewind to 2013 when he said "My last post forever on this blog". Surprise, surprise, surprise; CoolBreeze8 3647 starts posting again to the MHN webpage in 2014.

# Not long ago he again said to us "you simply aren't worth responding to".

# Surprise, surprise, surprise; CoolBreeze83647 responds to one of our posts and we call him on going back on his word.

# Surprise, surprise, surprise; he throws out the excuse of "My right to change my mind, "sara".

# Then he makes his first offer for the mutual leaving of this webpage effectively saying ** Get off this blog, get off MHN, take all your other names with you, and I will leave as well. **

# Imagine our surprise when he gets all brave and macho in his next post saying "I don't quit, run, back down either".

# Now CoolBreeze83647 makes the second offer ** Get off this blog, get off MHN, take all your other names with you, and I will leave as well. ** In effect he is telling us he will quit, run and back down in one generous offer.

Which CoolBreeze83647 do you think is making this offer; The "quitter CoolBreeze83647" or the "lying CoolBreeze83647". Maybe there isn't a difference.

Honestly, we don't want you to leave CoolBreeze83647 because we are entertainedbyidiots. Or are we Wayne or some other Old Testament serpent Republicans used to scare their base. Boo;

Choo, choo Boys. The Paranoia Wayne Train will be here all week.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 7:02 AM

Here are some of the proposed changes to the local hunting seasons handed out in draft form at the public forum with Idaho Fish and Game last night in Boise.

The original proposal to combine the Smokey Mountain archery tag with the Bennett Mountain muzzleloader tag was reversed. These are back to being two different tags at the same levels as last year.

The additional 100 antlerless elk controlled hunt tags in the west side of area 43 remain in the latest draft, as do the additional tags for a pair of controlled hunts in area 48. Despite the Smokey Mountain herd being down by 22 percent in the last IDFG survey loss of range due to wildfires and winter range depredation caused IDFG to increase antlerless tags in this area by about 170 tags. A herd already under a lot of stress is going to see additional hunting, mostly of its cow population.

The late archery hunt here in the southeast corner of area 39 remains intact, good news, but at tremendous cost.

The 200 extra antlerless elk tags for the area between Blacks Creek and Bennett Creek shown in earlier IDFG proposals has been rescinded. Originally this hunt was going to conflict with the late archery noted above, but a secondary proposal to make these 200 tags a short range weapon hunt while preserving the above archery hunt was under consideration, that hunt was also rescinded after a meeting with the local ranchers who voiced concerns the short range hunt would not be successful enough to meet their concerns on winter range depredation.

The above hunt was replaced by a three month, 400 tag landowner permission required hunt for the area between Blacks Creek and Martha Lane. So, we lost a proposed hunt that anyone could've applied for on a wider range of land and instead got double the number of tags handed to the ranchers around Mayfield. This is a serious loss of hunting opportunity for the general public. It also can significantly effect portions of the Smokey Mountain herd already under increased pressure from the hunts noted at the top as some of that herd winters in this area. A portion of this hunt will be at the same time as the late archery hunt noted above. In those areas where the landowner tags border public land open for the archery hunt there is a distinct possibility of conflicts since some of these boundaries may not be well marked and more importantly safety issues as rifle hunters may not see or be cognizant of archery hunters conducting stalks onto game animals on the public land.

Everything above was in draft form last night, with the final decisions to be made in meetings today. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, changed after the public testimony.

-- Posted by Northside on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 9:41 PM

Well as long as you know how you are acting. To each his own I guess.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 9:02 PM

Good point Bob. Maybe we can agree that we are lucky to be American and free.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 6:01 PM

"We" argue politics, Red vs. Blue, call each other names, find articles which agree with out point of view, refuse to recognize a good point of view from a differing party or person, lambast this and that, feel hatred(?) in our hearts, worry about gun rights, school budgets, immigration, city council, health care, gee, the list goes on....and on...and on.

What is it that makes us American? We are people who are Red, White, Black, Brown, we are Asian, European, African, and Anglo Americans, we have mothers and fathers, hearts, hands, minds and feelings, we have many more things that are alike then there are that are different. Do we not feel good and laugh when we are happy or feel sad and down when we are unhappy? Do we all not love kids and want to protect them and want the best for them? Do we not cherish old grandmothers and grandfathers for their wisdom? Do we respect one another even in our differences? What is it that makes us Americans? What is it that we can agree upon? Should we drive 20mph (or less) in a school zone when kids are present? Should we look both ways before crossing the street? Come now folks, there must be many things we agree upon. How about a list?

-- Posted by bob8492 on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 5:00 PM

Word of the day or possible name change for Banter Box:


A morbid or excessive interest in politics.


-- Posted by Dan Eilers on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 1:46 PM

More on Obama care


-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 12:38 PM

Actually I don't like links that merely repeat some of the same information that is in the link that I posted the day before. That gets pretty boring.

Here is a new word for you, CoolBreeze, in case you are growing tired of the word fathom.

limbicile - (1) an extreme right wing conservative that doesn't want to hear points of views that differ from his own and thinking causes him acute brain distress; (2) a follower of Rush Limbaugh

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 11:34 AM

The exact same can and has been said of your political party Sara.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 8:27 AM

CoolBreeze can be trusted; until he can't be trusted. And that is the mark of a real Republican. Never Trustworthy and Never Honest.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 8:07 AM

Dude, BSU offers many Masters Degrees, not just in education. I have never been a teacher. My Masters is from the College of Business at BSU, not Education.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 7:52 AM

Sam 1776?? Reference Samuel Adams?? Probably a history teacher.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 7:46 AM

Figured it out from Sammy's post yesterday. A liberal, working on a masters from BSU. Has to be, or was once educating children somewhere. Scary

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 7:43 AM

So, entertained, you expect people to produce a resume of their life and experience before they post on this blog?

Are you working for the Mountain Home News? No, I don't think so. I also don't notice that you are providing information about yourself so I'll note what I've noticed.

I think that you are a long term police employee that just can't get promoted. You are most likely a lifetime government employee. You are probably CoolBreeze. You sound alike and have the same attitudes. I am pretty sure that CoolBreeze is Buckshot, Hope4Ameica and Freethinker. They called everyone that disagreed with them "Wayne" as does CoolBreeze.

I suspect that you want to run for Sheriff in 2016. Just my guess based on observations.

Maybe I am wrong. However you and Cool Breeze don't provide arguments to support your positions. You just insult other positions that are backed up by relevant quotations or links. You seem to be just posting to insult and ridicule but don't seem to have relevant information to post.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 12:35 AM


The principle from Bennett said that the renovations would be done starting next month. Where do you thing the money to renovate the building is coming from. It is a district building so it will be district funds and that is what they told the P&Z board when they went to them before. Also the minutes only have the information that they want in them. I know for a fact that 40% of the conversation I had with the board was not in the minutes. So no the minutes will not clear anything up. Also the when a school is spotlighted during the meeting none of that is ever in the minutes. This district only prints and lets people know what they want them too know. I would like to see a copy of the packets that the board members are given so I can see where my tax money is going.

-- Posted by werborg on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 8:50 PM

I was hoping that entertained would stop the heckling however I see he is now insulting through CoolBreeze. They both still sound like Hope4America and Buckshot.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 8:17 PM

Maybe if entertained is given the last word he will SHUT UP? We can only hope.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 6:59 PM

CoolBreeze/EntertainedbyIdiots I'll explain this one time.

The quote that I posted had a link to "The Economist" an online magazine which is also in print. The Economist is a highly regarded business magazine. In fact it was required reading by one of my professors when I was working on my Master's Degree at Boise State.

This quote from a respected magazine has clearly set you off on a tangent where you are demanding to know my business experience. You can demand all that you want. That doesn't mean that anyone, including me, needs to give in to your childishness. Had you asked nicely I might have provided the information earlier but you didn't and the proverbial ship has sailed on that.

For other readers of the blog that are interested in the topic of the minimum wage, I read an editorial that I'd like to share that lists pros and cons for raising it. The link is below. I thought that the editorial was very balanced and I learned some things from it. It gave me a better understanding on why some people are against raising it.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 4:42 PM

A couple weeks ago I asked the question on this page (Why isn't the payroll information updated on the 193 district's web site.)

Now they have removed all the payroll information. What are they telling by doing that or what are they hiding?

The district's web site is available on the Mtn. Homes News home page.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 3:48 PM

Hmmm, I was at the school board meeting last night (no, I do not work in the district) and don't remember a comment about district funds paying for the daycare. I guess the school board minutes will clear this up!

-- Posted by Hannah32 on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 3:47 PM

Your Levy dollars at work. It was announced last night at the school board meeting last night that the work on the daycare for Bennett Mountain will start next month using district funds to pay for it. But we were told this was a private business and not a district so why is district money and employees being used?

-- Posted by werborg on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 3:11 PM

This was an interesting comment on the Tea Party. I'd like to believe that the Tea Party is on its way down, however, I'm not so sure.

"Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell has declared open war on outside groups -- like the Senate Conservatives Fund -- who provide the financial backing for tea party challengers to sitting incumbents. Tea party-aligned primary candidates have fizzled. In a recent NBC-Wall Street Journal national poll, just 23 percent of people had a positive image of the tea party while 41 percent had a negative impression -- the worst numbers for any individual or group tested other than Russian President Vladimir Putin."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 2:12 PM

Will this become any more childish? My guess is yes, yes it will.

-- Posted by jtrotter on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 1:05 PM


"The roses are wilted,

The violets are dead

The sugar bowl's empty

And so is your head" -- unknown author

Don't you have some sheriff want-a-be work to be doing?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 12:27 PM

That's fine dude. I am only expressing a willingness to discuss issues as an alternative to engaging in a mud fight.

CoolBreeze/EntertainedbyIdiots my business experience is not a factor in the information that I post, unless I mention it. For example, I have mentioned that the business that I work for is doing much better, a sign that the economy is improving. I do research and use discernment when determining my sources of information.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 10:22 AM

Sammy Limbaugh,

I have no desire to debate ANY topic with you. It's like having a discussion with a yo-yo. The yo-yo always returns to where it started regardless of which way you toss it. Now if you were a clay pigeon, that would be completely different.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 7:47 AM

We wanted to see how they rolled and we discovered exactly how they do things. The master plan is;

# Keep the population uneducated.

# Make sure workers are paid as little as possible.

# When workers lose their jobs, call them lazy and make sure the first safety net is removed.

# When people get hungry tell them to head to the nearest religious facility if they want food. Make sure that second safety net is removed.

# Abolish the national health care plan and turn it over to the private sector.

# Legislate discrimination laws based strictly on their own personal version of morality and religious grounds.

# Ensure the gun remains a social necessity. Encourage people to carry guns the way Londoners carry umbrellas.

We got on a plane in Islamabad and headed back to US to see how the Boys in the Republican Party roll. We found the Republicans here liked the Islamabad conservative Boys Club plan immensely but added one item.

# Make sure women don't have a right to choose and call them whiners when they ask to be paid the same as men for the same work accomplished. The plan to keep women barefoot, in the kitchen and the host viable should be legislated as soon as possible in all States.

Choo, choo Boys. The Paranoia Wayne Train seems to have a new conductor and will be here all week.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 7:18 AM

CoolBreeze/EntertainedbyIdiots I posted a comment from a leading economics periodical on the topic. Enough said.

I am not insulting and berating, as you claim, but you should maybe take a look at your comments and ask yourself what is the right thing to do?

"Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest." -- Mark Twain

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 10:41 PM

Speaking of minimum wage. Idaho legislation voted to give themselfs a raise but voted no to raise the minimum wage.

The Gov now gets $119,000 which will soon raise up to around $121,000 while those who are barely making it keep going in the hole more.

Does Idaho Government really care about the people?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 9:56 PM

An argument for a small increase in the minimum wage is below.

"There is no consensus among economists about the extent to which minimum wages kill jobs. But recent research suggests that relatively low rates (America's is 38% of the median wage) are not harmful, and that small increases can be beneficial. They not only lift workers' purchasing power; they also make them more loyal, and so reduce the amount companies must spend recruiting new people.

Mr Obama will not convince Republicans in the House of Representatives to vote for an increase. But by raising the idea he may help Democrats in next year's midterm elections, particularly in red states where local minimum-wage rises are on the ballot. Republican voters do not recoil at the prospect; 58% told Gallup in November that they would support a rise to $9 an hour; overall, 78% of Americans agree."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 9:04 PM

CoolBreeze/EntertainedbyIdiots you should TRY to stick to one name.

dudewheresmycar, this was a chance for you to debate an issue not heckle, which is the lazy approach to debate. If you agree with Goatbeard where do you agree and what are your reasons?

There are good arguments for or against any issue. I'd welcome a good discussion.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 8:05 PM

Sammy Limbaugh...??? I like it.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 3:10 PM

So what is your answer, Goatbeard? Just more whining?

You make no argument for or against the minimum wage issue except to ask a question and then say never mind because you don't plan on listening to any viewpoint that doesn't agree with you. I'll answer anyway. Raising the minimum wage enables people to make a living where they don't need to be on welfare and brings more money into the economy. Businesses can handle it, but they don't want to. Too bad.

You question our ability as a country to defend ourselves. Against what threat? And where are your facts that we can't defend ourselves?

What's wrong with sanctions? Much better than boots on the ground in my opinion.

So what if the Russian news agency head Kiselyov said that Russia could turn the U.S. into "radioactive ash". Russia has its Kiselyov and we have our Limbaugh. Two guys with big mouths and very little sense.

In regards to the blinders comment "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 1:07 PM

"# Even though we don't have any alternative to the new Common Core standards, we hate it, just because and that's a fact."

Did you even read the article. Common core says even when you get the answer wrong your right.

Your defending that? You guys are truly not right in the head.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 12:31 PM

Good morning Sam the backup singer. Honestly the economy is the least of my worries. And it should be quiet obvious that out elected officials are doing nothing about it. Raising the minimum wage......what's that accomplish.....ok I already know your story, never mind. Actually what worries me is the state of the country and it's ability to protect and defend itself. If we are pushed what do we do.....enact more sanctions.......you can see what a joke that's becoming. A wise man once said, "there are none so blind as those who just wont' see". Doesn't it bother you any that Jay Carny's russian shadow just said they could turn us into radioactive ash? It's becoming a game of push, and shove. Eventually it will explode. Don't you feel a little like an Isreali with Iran breathing down their necks. I'm just a little worried. Were too used to being on top here in America. Getting complacent. So all your political economy , immigration reform etc. babble is the least of my worries. Those wearing blinders bother me. Have a good day.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 12:29 PM

Goatbeard, I suspect that you almost always, if not always, vote Republican. If that is true, then isn't Sara-Connor correct in her assumption about you?

Your opinions certainly seem to reflect some of the Republicans on the site, in particularly the desire to see no improvement in the economic outlook.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 10:14 AM

Why is it that whenever someone says something that doesn't mesh with your thoughts, they're automatically called republican? Talk about tattooed on someones brain! I told you, I have no love lost for the parties, they're ruining the country. I am an american citizen though and I can see what is going on in this country. So, until you can think outside the box, not on some party line, your babble has no meaning to me. Have a good day.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 8:17 AM

The local Republicans act like the end of the world is near. We don't understand why there is such resentment, negativity, anger and resistance to change in their world, but it's clearly tattooed on their brains.

"It takes one positive thought when given a chance to survive and thrive to overpower an entire army of negative thoughts" said by Robert Schuller

When the Republicans use their scare tactics to keep you enslaved in the regressive conservative movement remember that Schuller quote. Here are some recent negative scare concepts Republicans want you to believe;

# America is LOSING, big time.

# All these politicians need to be replaced.

# I fear this country is on a fast track to crash

# I haven't felt this uncomfortable since the cold war era

# public education is socialism at its worst

# Sorry Wayne, Sammy, Sara, Geordy, etc., etc. Since you're but one person you only get one vote

# Dude, Sammy/Sara don't actually LIVE here in Mountain Home. That's why "they" seem so out of touch on local matters.

# Government is not the solution---it is the problem.

# Liberals stand with their hands out to collect the tax dollars these businesses generate.

# Even though we don't have any alternative to the new Common Core standards, we hate it, just because and that's a fact.

Do the research. You should easily see the Republican "propagenda" scare tactics and negativity. Agree with it, then maybe you could buy a ticket on that Negativity Train back to medieval times. Choo, choo, Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 7:04 AM

A little on Common core


-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Mar 17, 2014, at 12:37 PM

I don't support any of that trash Geordey, least of all that one sided babble spewed on a daily basis. All these politicians need to be replaced. How can anybody be so in love with this current mess. Some change is sorely needed but not the kind were being subjected to. I fear this country is on a fast track to crash but the people choose not to see it. How long can this scenario go on, not indefinitely thats for sure. I haven't felt this uncomfortable since the cold war era, which seems to be repeating itself, kinda like history. Time to take the blanket off our heads and look around.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Mon, Mar 17, 2014, at 8:17 AM

Goatbeard when you say "so many" do you mean a few Mountain Home tea party supporters?

-- Posted by Geordey on Sun, Mar 16, 2014, at 10:24 PM

Sara, you keep taking crap out from your mouth and putting it in others..........no wonder so many have a foul taste for your babble.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Mar 16, 2014, at 7:49 AM

Our Dear, Dear Goatbeard; let us simplify the tale we told so every Republican will understand the basic concept.

# Democrats know education is good and will fight for it.

# Republicans think education is bad and a form of welfare. Republicans are even saying public education is socialism at its worst.

Republicans thinking the tale was about granite counter tops; we never saw that coming. But coming from a political party that uses Doctor Seuss books as a replacement for higher education, we should have guessed it could happen.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Mar 16, 2014, at 7:15 AM

If you haven't had a chance yet to check out Carr's lumber, its worth the time!! The new remodel and items offered is a 100% improvement!! May even save a trip to Boise.....

-- Posted by Dan Eilers on Sat, Mar 15, 2014, at 5:11 PM

Lordy Sarah....it must have been past your bedtime when you scribbled that babble.......Ya know, if you want granite counter tops......buy them, no need to belittle those who have them. Oh, but that's how you roll.....Hope you have a happier Saturday. Go do something to make you feel good.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sat, Mar 15, 2014, at 8:49 AM

The Two Tales of Tax Relief Republican Style * Muskets and semi-autos

Elmore County approved tax relief for the vacation cabin owners in the local mountains. This tax relief comes in the form of reduced or waived building permit fees because of the unusually large fires last summer. Fee's we believe are used for infrastructure, roads and possibly even law enforcement. This nice gesture will help some people rebuild those vacation homes up on the lake. Some land owners are even thinking of putting in fire resistant granite counter tops for their bathrooms and kitchens.

The Republican response to the vacation home tax relief; none; one can hear the musket ball drop into the barrel.

In a very recent election, tax relief was hoped for, argue for and bitterly defended by the Republicans. This tax relief was to cut funding for the education of our children. The Republicans called the levy welfare, unfair and not needed. We think they were saying "who needs a well educated up and coming population if we already have a well regulated militia and premium counter tops in our vacation homes".

The Republican response to the school levy passing; the sounds of about 477 semi-autos being locked and loaded.

Do your research. If the Republican plan is to your liking, vote for them and board the Paranoia Wayne Train. If you believe we need to move out of medieval times, vote for the progressive party.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Mar 14, 2014, at 8:26 PM


More on Obama care

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Mar 14, 2014, at 9:53 AM

The people I seen outside a voting place were senior property owners, and didn't vote. I also seen a couple people that work for the school district who voted.

What's that saying "you can't lead a horse to water"

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 1:41 PM

If you have a child in school, you received an e-mail a text and a phone call reminding you to vote.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 1:35 PM

MsMarylin I guess you could be right, if people don't have children, and don't read the news I can see this point. Also, if they do have children and don't look on the district website, or read the news, I can see the point too.

Some people will never be informed, and that works with any information, I say too bad for the people who live in isolation, that is their choice.

-- Posted by samspade on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 1:08 PM


I wish what you said was true, unfortunately your wrong..........

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 12:34 PM

sara-connor is dead on, good job Sara!

-- Posted by samspade on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 12:33 PM

Yeah, a real conspiracy, all the districts in southern Idaho decided to hold their elections last night to covertly pass levies.

If some of you are really that upset, I say "don't let the door hit ya on the way out", move already.

-- Posted by samspade on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 12:20 PM

MsMarylin is obviously making things up.

-- Posted by samspade on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 12:16 PM

Shouldn't you all be getting mad at the legislature? The legislature hasn't told the school districts how much the state will give them yet. This prevents the schools from knowing how much they need so they have to guess in order to be able to open the schools in the Fall. It's like the poem.

"This is the House That Jack Built"

This is the farmer sowing his corn

That kept the cock that crowed in the morn

That waked the priest all shaven and shorn

That married the man all tattered and torn

That kissed the maiden all forlorn

That milked the cow with the crumpled horn

That tossed the dog that worried the cat

That killed the rat that ate the malt

That lay in the house that Jack built!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 12:07 PM

There's folks in this town who weren't even aware there was an election yesterday. While outside our designated voting place I ran into a couple who weren't even aware there was an election. They asked what was going on inside, even though there was a sign outside.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 12:03 PM

The prudent thing to do would be to have a budget, determine what you "need" (if anything) and then ask for a levy. That way you know what you "need," where you "need" it and how much. Seems like cart before the horse to ask for something (in this case millions) when you do not know any of the key answers.

They (the MHSD) always claim to only TAKE what is needed. Did you see the MHSD reduce the levy amount by the additional funding obtained through the state? Nope. Did you see the MHSD offset this levy by what they took (by emergency levy without a vote) in 2013. Nope.

So, now the majority can pay for the minority because people are too lazy to vote and do not know the facts for which they vote. God bless the USA:). But it is all about the kids and smaller classes. Check the raw facts on class size for the last 2 that were voted in.

Viewing this as a "win" shows how truly ignorant people can be. 1,300 people (approx.) voted. Only 869 people "support" the MHSD---half do not (of those who voted of course). How is that a "win?"

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 11:36 AM

Sam if you have no draft budget for the 14-15 school year how do you know that you need 2.7M you don't and they even said they didn't know how much they really needed but that this amount was a guess as they stated in Dec when they announced it. They do not know how much they will have and they have stated that also because the state has not given them a dollar figure for they next year yet either. Again they have stated they have no plan other than to get this levy passes and hope it is enough. Please come to a meeting and see what goes on and listed to what is said. Also those minutes do not have all the information in them over half the conversation was not put in them.

-- Posted by werborg on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 11:36 AM

There is a budget for the current school year on the MHSD web site. There will be a budget for next year created now that the levy has passed and they know how much money is in the budget. I'm paraphrasing from the meeting minutes from the MHSD meeting. The link is below.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 11:14 AM

Sam there is NO BUDGET but you are also correct that the issue of the levy passing is dead but the issue of MHSD not being honest with the actual amount or where the money will go is not. Again the ran it knowing that turn out is really low during elections with not offices on the ballot I would have like to have seen this in may when we is see more than only 1200 turn out.

-- Posted by werborg on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 8:44 AM

There is no current budget for the MHSD. They have admitted as much.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 8:19 AM

Links to budgets have been posted before Joe. You just want to be unsatisfied and I'm not interesting in re-posting things for you.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 8:16 AM

Can any none show/prove to me where and how this money will be spent? Maybe hidden in the city notes along with the 53 new businesses that opened in the last 2 years. That is all some people ask. With no budget and no idea makes one wonder.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 7:51 AM

You can and should credit the passing of the school levy on the Republican Party and accompanying conservative talking points they saw on Fox news. Want to know why the Republicans didn't get their way.

The logic Republicans used to convince voters was our school district is doing poorly. Sounded like these conservatives were hoping for and happy if there was a School District race to the bottom by denying badly needed fund. Most moderates and all Democrats understand the value and need of a good education. We believe the actions, votes and writings of local conservatives helped push many people to vote for the levy.

Do your research. The local Republicans don't want to pay for an educated city nor county. The State Republicans already cut funding for education putting us in this mess. Republicans march in protests, shut down the government and vote all to stop the Federal government from appropriating any money for anything. Anything other than for the military. We ask you think about how these conservatives have acted and refused to lead during the next election. We think you'll shed that red menace for the cool blue logic of the Democrat Party.

With the loss of another election, marching practice is back on. The Paranoia Wayne Train will be will be the new Republican minivan. Choo choo Boys and don't forget to bring snacks and koolaid for after practice.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 7:29 AM

Sam the MHSD still ranks where they rank. This does/will not change that fact.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 6:13 AM

I really don't understand the people of this county. They allow the WECRD to tax us for 13 years and now want to give whats left of the 6 million collected to the YMCA. You give the county hospital away and we are now give our tax dollars to St Lukes and get nothing in return. And nobody(except school employees) shows up to vote for the school district levy. I bet the district will have another emergency levy in the fall like 2013.

-- Posted by gmoney on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 12:05 AM

Joe, I think that the discussion is over. The voters have decided.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 10:07 PM

Sam, spin how ever you want. That link was for the district. Here is one for the high school;


132 out of 163, just awesome would you not agree?

The junior high is just a bit better at 124 out of 163


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 9:13 PM

I would. It rates a 4 out of 5 which is considered good. Remember, that Mountain Home School District does not have as much money to use for education due to the income of the population. Considering that, 5 would be just about impossible to make.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 8:38 PM

If you consider the district ranked 63 out of 90 then yes, its pretty high.


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 7:43 PM

Mountain Home High School actually has a good rating. I've posted this before.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 7:16 PM


The bad news for you is that we have given this levy for the last 4 years and they have not improved at all. They claim if they do get this levy that it will only serve to maintain the status quo it will not improve things at all. They have no budget and do not know how much they really need and will not say where this money will go if they get it. I know I asked the hard questions at het board meeting in Jan only to be given an answer of we have no budget but we need this money. I saw vote no now because they have already stated that they will try again in May if this fails today. That will force them to actually tell the public where this money is needed and not that they just need the money.

Again send them the message and vote NO! Vote NO!

-- Posted by werborg on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 6:07 PM

The statement listed below "The quality of education from this school district is ranked very poorly and is showing a trend to the negative." as a reason to vote "no" is backwards. We need to try to improve our Schools not hurt them... Vote Yes.A no vote will only continue the so called negative trend. Lets try to do something positive....Vote Yes.

-- Posted by jdvann on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 5:51 PM

Latest and greatest as far as Mountain Home AFB and Gowen Field. According to article so far A-10's will be lost in FY15 and Mountain Home slated to gain possible aircraft according to article.


-- Posted by Dan Eilers on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 3:25 PM

Today is the day we need to send a message to the MHSD. Vote NO on this levy. Lets make them explain why we should give them the money. The answer of because is not acceptable.

-- Posted by werborg on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 12:58 PM

I have been trying to objectively read all I can on the topic of the school district levy. I have educated myself to the point of feeling confident that a No vote is the only reasonable choice. I have read numerous compelling arguments against the levy but nothing for it, other than it is good for the students and teachers. I have witnessed no proof that this levy is good for anybody.

The quality of education from this school district is ranked very poorly and is showing a trend to the negative. The district cites the numbers of graduates that enter secondary education as an accomplishment. Only 1 in 10 Idaho high school graduates entering college, actually get a degree. The students are not benefitting.

It is the legislators fault the funding has been cut and as long as local property owners continue to pay for their shortcomings, the funding will never be restored. Would you buy your own groceries if your community was willing to fund them? The residents who pay for these levies need to stand up and say no, it is time for the legislature to do the right thing. I do not want this to become the new normal. Status quo is not good enough.

Educate yourself on the issue and then go vote.

-- Posted by jtrotter on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 9:08 AM

Vote Early And Vote Often. No Votes Always Welcome. Time For The MHSD To Be Accountable And Live By A Budget. Money Does Not Grow On Trees.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 8:33 AM

Link to the practice ballot is below. Do your own research and then vote in favor or against during this SUPPLEMENTAL LEVY election.


-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 7:56 AM

Very well said werborg. Although I am in favor of a Yes vote on the Levy I feel that you have put forth strong arguments for your position.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 9:57 PM

Bottom Line: The MHSD doesn't really know how much they need they have said as much. They are throwing out a number to see if they get it. They currently have no budget not even a draft for next year again they have said as much. If this fails tomorrow they are going to try again in may again they have said so. All of this was in the article that this paper ran in Dec. the rest is in the minutes from the last board meeting.

Below is what I posted a couple of weeks back.

After Sitting in the School board meetings the last two months the school is planning on this passing. Their plan B is to try again in may. When asked what would be cut the board and the superintendent only could answer we don't know. The said that 13% of the budget would need to be cut but could not say where they were short. The only response the board could give was we can not do a budget to see without the numbers from the state but we know we need this money. One member stated that they had to demolish two empty schools on base because they did not get the maintenance levy two years ago failing to mention that one had been empty since at least 05 and the other was closed in the fall of 05 due to low enrollment. The school board also stated how we are no different than the rest of the schools in Idaho that are running a levy. They also say that they will only take from the tax payers what they need from us for some reason I see that no matter what they will take it all and need it all. The school board is also trying to claim that the raise in utility costs is also behind part of this and how the power prices have raise over 30% in the last 5 years not sure where that is coming from since Idaho power just raised the price 10% for the first price increase in over 5 years and the cost of Gas through intermountain gas has only gone down for the last 5 years. One of the most disturbing things to me was the scare tactics this the board president tries to use on the district employees such as stating "I would hate to have to put you out on the health care exchange for your benefit" failing to mention that by law they are required to provide the insurance. According to the slide presentation that the superintendent showed last Tuesday 80% of the budget is pay and benefits. with over 63% being pay. I would suggest that they look at cutting the pay of those at the top to make up some of this considering that the superintendent of MHSD makes over 94K and his wife make the same. Several others in that office make 85K or better. Start with a pay cut than lets see what else we can afford to cut. This district and board need to become truthful on what will be affected if we decide to not renew the levy for a third time.

As to the emergency levy they took due to a few extra students in some class rooms really was not needed because they didn't like the class sizes being over 25 students in about 6 class rooms. When the superintendent stated that he need the money they didn't mention that with the migrant students in the system they will see a drop in the enrollment of students in November for about a 8 to 10 week period according to the principals that held briefings the last two meetings so yes it was just another money grab by this district.

In my opinion when 3 members on the current board come up for reelection next year we need to get three new people in there in the words of the board president they are elected officials and when we are unhappy with the decisions the elected officials make we need to express that at the ballot box and elect new officials. with most of these board members being on this board for 10+ years it is time for a new perspective on how this district is run and not just a rubber stamp.

Finally one board member mentioned that when they researched who voted for the last levy most of the district employees did not vote. The fact that they were checking who voted disturbs me but what disturbed me more was how the superintendent and the board president made fun of the election that resulted in a coin toss on who would sit on the board.

Mountain home your voice counts and so does your vote this is a 50%+1 to pass or fail so get out and vote but also get involved with the district attend the meeting and voice your concern on what is going on and hold them accountable.

-- Posted by werborg on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 9:47 PM

Why don't you tell the rest of the story then weborg providing good information that people can read and make a choice on?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 9:01 PM

too bad that power point doesn't tell the whole story. It doesn't even tell half the story. Yes please go vote no and make them explain to the taxpayers why we should give them the extra money from our pockets and maybe we will pass it in may for MHSD.

-- Posted by werborg on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 8:53 PM

Everyone, I hope that you can vote tomorrow if you haven't already.

Here is a PowerPoint showing what this vote is all about, according to the MHSD.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 8:44 PM

CoolBreeze83647; please remember your post on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 7:02 PM and on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 6:34 AM. Or is your word completely worthless?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 6:41 PM

the polls for the levy are open tomorrow from 8-8 and remember tomorrow your vote doesn't really matter because the school board has already said even if it fails tomorrow they will try again in May. In essence they do not care what we say tomorrow.

-- Posted by werborg on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 5:58 PM

This is my vote. Limbaugh's was the stupidist remark. CoolBreeze was the most illogical and therefore stupid but not the stupidist. I don't understand Joe's quote and why that was stupid. Dude looks like just a follower that lacks maturity.

Don't you have more whining to do about the economy and the election tomorrow?

-- Posted by Geordey on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 5:36 PM

Or you can pretend that you are in high school and try to duck my head in the toilet. Good luck with that.

"Knowing what's right doesn't mean much unless you do what's right." ¯ Theodore Roosevelt

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 5:15 PM

Maybe we can have some sort of memorial service on this site for Sammy. We can all take turns telling our favorite stories of him, and what we liked about him the most.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 4:50 PM

Joe and Dude, I thought that my suggestion to Jessie was very logical and she stopped doing what I suggested that she stop doing, although maybe MHN asked her to stop as well.

However, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 4:48 PM


That pretty much puts a fork in it...

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 4:24 PM

I think this one is dumber Sam.

If you post a daily blog, then the political blogs that some people like to comment on more quickly get removed from the list and takes more of an effort to find them.

Could you possibly just post one blog and provide updates to it?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 10:53 PM

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 4:16 PM

Dumbest quotes.

1. "Exercise freaks ... are the ones putting stress on the health care system." -- Rush Limbaugh

2. "So, while on surface, it looks like our liberal counterparts are making a lot of money.....they HAVE TO in order to pay for the high tax rates." - CoolBreeze

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 4:11 PM

What are the times the polls are open?

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 3:24 PM


Yeah I get that. I look around our town and it hurts in a way. I truly do not mind helping those that really can't, but then you see the ones that won't pulling from the same collection plate because they are allowed to. I was really hoping the Mountain Home economic recovery would be much futher along at this point after the big bounce in 2009, but it really isn't. Wether there are 30+ new businesses or not really doesn't matter (I hope there are). The amount of disposable income available for local goods and services is not there. The Airbase is not what it once was. Historically real estate (sales and construction) has been the primary fuel for Mountain Home economy. Without the economic stimulus from the MHAFB, and lack of new significant businesses venturing to Mountain Home, it appears to be a longer healing process than expected. Too bad.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 3:00 PM

Well Dude. Use your keen eye for observation to note that Sara's name appears to be Sara-Connor which could mean a lot of things.

1. She is two people, male and female posting jointly.

2. Anything else.

I respect your right to just go on observations but I will only take the information that you provide as a biased opinion, with no basis in fact.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 2:14 PM


Little fairy princess in Never-Never land. Not sexist at all. Sara, I believe is still a female name. I thought Batman might not be appropriate.

You are very very good at providing links associated with varying topics. The fact is, there comes a point when a person needs to make their own observations and conclusions, and not rely on repeating those of others. A majority of info. available on the web is bias one way or the other. Just depends on where you go to find it. You only have to step out your door to see whats happening in Mountain Home wether it be the deteriorating status of the towns business district and collapse of MHSD or down sizing of MHAFB impacting our community. It's all there right in front of you.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 12:16 PM

And what do your PJs have on them Dude? It seems to me that your comment was pretty sexist. This was also pretty apparent in your referring to Sara-Connor as "Sara Dear". I'm sure that she isn't your daughter, your mistress, or your wife.

Extremely inaccurate Dude, was your comment that conservatives "own and operate businesses" and that "Liberals stand with their hands out to collect the tax dollars these businesses generate. I doubt you will see any young liberals driving around in these trucks. They are at home in their PJ's waiting for the government check and their next trip to Walmart (in their PJ's)."

The fact is that conservative states such as Idaho have a lower medium income level than liberal states. Clearly Liberals are not sitting around in their PJ's waiting for a government check. They are for the most part working and making a higher income than a lot of conservatives.

The honest evaluation is that those on welfare, pension, retirement income, are BOTH conservatives and liberals. Conservatives are not the only ones that are able to balance a budget. When you are able to stop the exaggerating, and false claims, you may get more respect on your comments. If you have a valid point to make, then you don't need to make up stuff.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 11:07 AM

Sara Dear,

I would bet your PJ's have little fairy princesses on them. You really need to turn the T.V. off and get out a bit more. But leave the fairy princesses at home please.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 8:16 AM


You seem to be on the right track. I was at a meeting held by MHSD leadership when they were discussing the first extension of the $2.7 million dollar levy. How much should we ask for??? was the question of the day. Answer- Lets ask for $2.7 million because that's what we asked for last time and it passed. 110% true, I was there. How much do we need??? Answer-I am not sure. 110% true. This from a room of leaders with Masters degrees in education, not business administration. The discussion in the room was not about identifying the districts money problems and what could be done about them, but (and I could almost quote this) how are we going to get this levy by or through the voters? What should we say, and what would be the best time to drop the bomb? Something I would expect being discussed between a politician running for office and his campaign staff, not an administration in charge of a $25+ million dollar budget supported by tax payers.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 8:04 AM

Again, the news of 50+ new businesses opening up in Mountain Home is met with Republican darkness and disbelief. The Republicans are trying to tell you the amnesty driven liberals are spinning this information the wrong way. The wrong way in their mind is these new businesses just might be budding young local entrepreneurs and a positive trend.

One set of Republicans, absent of any facts of their own, seem to imply these 50 new business owners are all undocumented immigrants easily identified even while driving in their rigs. Worse yet, these business owners are stealing jobs from high school student while trying to make a living.

Another set of local Republicans insist there couldn't be any liberal business owners, anywhere. Why? Because liberal turn coats just sit in their PJs all day waiting for hand outs and conservatives are born great businessmen. Women couldn't possibly be good at business, right? But just a few days ago this same Republican said "Mountain Home is in a hurt, and will be for a while to come". How could that be when all Republicans are such great businessmen?

Do the research and make up your own mind. Are the local Republicans bringing any truths or facts to this discussion? Or are they hiding behind the wall of angry old ideas so common with the Republican Party these days. Is the 50 new businesses information the city presented good news or bad news?

The Republican Minority Outreach Train has left the Mountain Home train stop empty again. The good news is the Paranoia Wayne Train is completely full. Choo choo Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 7:35 AM

I saw on a web site that Buckshot, Hope4America and Free Thinker was the same person. Sounds like a blog troll to me.

-- Posted by IT_Techie on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 10:00 PM

It's not that I don't have an answer but it's Sunday night and I had to work most of the day so that my Monday wouldn't be so hectic.

So I don't want to spend a lot of time tonight responding on the blog.

I don't know if I have an answer to the other points. I have to think about them.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 8:00 PM

Sam you don't want to because you don't have an answer for them. The district doesn't know how much they need in honesty they are just throwing out a number there is no budget. If we went to a bank and said we needed money because we wanted to buy something but were not really sure how much we really needed and that we have no budget to go by we would be laughed at. Telling them that everyone else was doing it would not be a reason for them to give us more money so why should we give them if they can not tell how much they really need and have a draft budget to show with or without the levy. The district will not answer the questions and will not return calls to people as we see from others that have tried to get answers.

The meetings are the third Tuesday of the month at 730 please come see what goes on Sam.

-- Posted by werborg on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 7:55 PM

I don't want to go through all of your points but I will hit on a couple of them.

Those salaries are not high for people with Master's degrees and doctorates. You get what you pay for. If you don't want to pay them a decent salary you could end up with a real dud that can accept a lower salary.

The answer that the other school districts also have a levy is a very good answer. The other schools have the same problem that MHSD has.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 7:17 PM

Sam_1776 This is the same power point presentation that was given at the last school board meeting. It does show nicely how 80% of the money spent in the district goes to PAY and BENIFITS. I would like to see a positional pay breakdown. I know for a fact the superintendent makes over 90K the asst. Super makes around 85K so lets look at the over paying for positions we are currently doing. It does not show a line by line budget for the current year nor does it have a working budget for the next school year because one does not exist. No where in the presentation does it explain why we need the levy nor does it address what the school would have to cut if the levy failed again because they are not planning for it to not pass they fully expect it to go through and have said as much. When I directly asked the board for answers the response was we do not know. Go to the minutes for the meeting in Jan and you will see. this district has added a school and a daycare to the district for less than 2% of the student body. They could have made other accommodations to meet the needs of these 54 students but no they just added more costs. They decided to take an emergency levy in September because they had a few extra students in a couple of classrooms a two elementary schools. The school district does not know if they need 2.7M a year or not they even stated that in the December article in this paper. The board president states we are asking for 2.7M but do not know if we need it all but we will take what we need of it. Something tells me that they will take the full amount needed or not. But than again even if this fails on Tuesday the issue is not over because they have already stated that they will try again in May so the debate will continue and I think if it fails we will bet to see exactly what they district will propose to cut and hopefully it will not be a scare tactic like they have used in the past.

While they keep saying our taxes will not go up that may be true but they did raise our taxes when we first approved and than renewed two years ago. The emergency levy that we did not have a say in did raise our taxes but they never said anything about that. I suggest that people attend the meeting to see what really goes on during them I have and will continue have a voice at the board.

We need new blood on this board and in the district leadership. We will have that chance next year when 3 out of 5 members from the board are up for reelection. The answer of everyone else is running a levy in the state is not an answer.

-- Posted by werborg on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 6:08 PM

Here is a link to a PowerPoint that explains the levy and why it is needed and what is included in the budget. It also shows what other school districts are doing.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 5:30 PM

So, the MHSD is broke and needs the people of this community to "donate" more of their hard earned monies to them in the way of a second levy within the last 12 months (the first being the "emergency levy" that the MHSD took with no vote).

But the MHSD has the money to hold public hearings (2 of them) and place expensive legal ads in the paper to re-name the school on MHAFB. Does this really and truly make sense at this point in time?

Naming a school after a fallen pilot is great let us make no bones about it. But do these things when you are not proclaiming to be broke and feeding off the backs of taxpayers.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 3:52 PM

Doth Protest Too Much.

If It Walks Like a Duck And Talks Like A Duck---It Probably Is A Duck.

Government is not the solution---it is the problem.

We are a nation of turn coats. Great allegiance to welfare and government programs. Why would ANYONE want to depend on a government that proclaims to be "for the people" but continues to act contrary to the people?


-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 3:41 PM

Sara Dear,

Conservatives own and operate businesses. This is because to operate a successful business you must understand the concept of budgets. More money needs to be coming in is than going out. Liberals stand with their hands out to collect the tax dollars these businesses generate. I doubt you will see any young liberals driving around in these trucks. They are at home in their PJ's waiting for the government check and their next trip to Walmart (in their PJ's).

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 3:07 PM

I dont want to start a fight but as for the 50+ businesses that opened up over a 2 year time...the part people are leaving out is when a business moves to a new location they are starting over...hence a new business...I wonder if this is how the city is coming up with these numbers...just a thought

-- Posted by robinhood1 on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 1:30 PM

Budding young entrepreneurs? Maybe you should look who's driving those rigs. I did expect this spin though considering the environment you cherish. I think the budding young are pushed to the side by your amnesty driven liberal businessmen. Oh, I did expect you would seek the last word too. God forbid you didn't get to babble!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 10:18 AM

Dave good link but I doubt if Mr. Trouble has bothered to read the data. His overuse of the word narrative makes me think that he gets his information from the very vocal radical right. That word seems to be their new favorite word.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sat, Mar 8, 2014, at 8:45 PM

Aaahhh, we get it now. The Republicans don't like the fact budding young local entrepreneurs are making a living from their own hard work. The Republican rationale is these ordinary folks are stealing jobs away from high school students. The irony of this is the Republicans will try to stop these enterprising young folks from making a living while also blocking any chance of making a survival wage by upping the minimum wage, blocking affordable health insurance and defunding the temporary safety net.

Did you Boys come up with this plan all yourself or did you get it from your FEMA re-education camp conspiracy theory development crew? Maybe we could hear from a real live local businessperson that could explain how this works.

Chugga, choo, choo Boys. The Paranoia Wayne Train will be in town all weekend.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Mar 8, 2014, at 8:32 PM

The link below provides access to a sensible study with many cites. Perhaps readers may find the roots of the "manipulation" Mr. Trauble refers to.

The trouble with our justice system is it is the fruit of a poisonous tree. At the instant our nation was founded, our founding fathers had already consciously exempted millions of people from the liberties rhetorized in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Those people exempted from "ourselves and our posterity" were truly the first casualties of America's first war.


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Mar 8, 2014, at 3:07 PM

Speaking of "nit picking leaning posts" you should read your posts and be honest with yourself.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 8, 2014, at 2:04 PM

OK Sammi dude.....the pickups are businesses, not jobs

ya nitpickin leanin post......get i there and hold ole sara up... two peas in a pod.....flap flap and more flap.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sat, Mar 8, 2014, at 12:41 PM

Goatbeard you seem to have some of your facts wrong. It was 50+ businesses not 50+ jobs.

In regards to the type of businesses, your anecdotal information that the lawn care businesses are the 50+ is worthless. Why not actually read the link that Sara-Connor provided and contact the person who announced the jobs?

Sara is right. You just want to be unhappy.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 8, 2014, at 8:20 AM

Sara connor......you are getting so snide and rude. It's easy to tell your becoming frustrated and feel......well.....maybe abused. About the 50 some jobs.....I see a lot of pickups pulling little trailers around here now. Mow this....weed that..haul something else. Yes, these are businesses. Most are not licensed or insured. And they are keeping students from having summer jobs. Same as people making fast food jobs permanent. Nothing is left for the students in the summer anymore. That's why the minimum wage needs to be raised right...so the fast food workers have a living wage. Your crap is getting old. Wish you would go find another venue to vent your frustrations. Maybe go take a vacation in the Florida keys with your idol. Have a good day. PS.....they sell giant boxes of tear wiping tissues at Walmart.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sat, Mar 8, 2014, at 8:06 AM

What is it with the Republicans? When presented with good news, they respond with anger, angst vitriol and manufactured outrage. It appears the only time Republicans are happy is when they are angry, mad or have complaints. While we find this type of behavior interesting it also reveals a bit about their plans and policies for the USA if they ever get into a leadership position again.

Really Boys the ending of two wars, the economic recovery and new businesses popping up in Mountain Home should turn even the grouchiest Republican into a happy little revolutionite. But that just doesn't seem to be happening. Even buying all those guns and overpriced ammunition didn't cure the perpetual depression you're in. Maybe if you feel coolbreeze wafting over your angry balding heads while riding the Paranoia Wayne Train you'll feel better. Choo choo Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Mar 8, 2014, at 7:41 AM

Thank you Mr. Ogborn of the Mountain Home School District for the financial information I called you about three times and followed up with by an email since you never return a call. What is there to hide? Very interesting how very little current info is on the MHSD web right before you folks are asking for another levy. Telling. Way to play hide the ball! Same old, same old.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 7:16 PM

I thought I would point out how well the MHSD plans for things. Recently they approved a in-school daycare at Bennett Mt High School. They planned for it so well that people are asking for donations of items to allow for the children of children to play and have a safe environment. So how well does MHSD plan and take care of children. Please go vote in favor of or against the levy on 11 March but do vote.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 5:32 PM

You may be very easily confused by little things.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 4:31 PM

Sara, Sammy ?? So easily confused.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 3:44 PM

Sara brought it up.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 3:38 PM


You are a lot of fun to pick on. You brought the whole topic up to begin with. Lighten up a little, and vote NO on the levy.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 2:55 PM

I don't need a business Dude, however, it looks like you need to practice researching things that you are interested in.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 1:35 PM


I thought you could turn it into a business. Oh wow 54.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 9:51 AM

Dude, since you so clearly desire the information why don't you research this yourself?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 9:16 AM

Do liberal web surfers really believe everything they read? 53 in two years. Really?? Look around at the empty store fronts in town. Construction has all but stopped. What little building that is going on in Mountain Home is being done by contractors from Boise. They hire no contractors from Mountain Home. Get out of your house and look around. I would be willing to bet there wasn't 53 total jobs created by local business. Liberals do so enjoy their research, so post something interesting like the list of 53 new businesses. Mountain Home is in a hurt, and will be for a while to come.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 7:43 AM

Hope4America ....

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 7:42 AM

What's the term for a person so sure of their righteousness they feel beyond the need to ever apologize? We mean besides CoolBreeze83647.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 9:42 PM

CoolBreeze, maybe you should enlist some support to read things to you. Page 13 of 15 of the link that Sara posted contained a letter from Paula N Riggs, Economic Development Director. She said at the end of the letter.

"I feel confident that the growth and development of Mountain Home is on the rise. In the past two years 53 new businesses have opened and only 9 have closed."

Try to get some help CoolBreeze.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 8:42 PM

robinhood1, bob8492, jtrotter; our facts were wrong in our post. 53 new businesses opened up and 9 closed in the past TWO years. Sorry for the misinformation posted.

See http://www.mountain-home.us/cityhall/fil...

#DemocratsWin; #RepublicansFail.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 3:18 PM

I am curious what/where are the 50 new businesses that opened in Mountain Home in 2013. I know a few that closed. Not was never aware that we had 50 new businesses in this town. Very interesting. Please tell me where you got this information from. I want to see it, just for my own interests.

-- Posted by robinhood1 on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 2:03 PM

Another observation,

I have noticed a Mountain Home patrol car dropping off a child every morning at one of our schools. Is it legal to use a taxpayer vehicle to run personal errands like dropping your kids off at school? If for some reason there is an accident then who is responsible for the medical bills of the kids riding in the vehicle that is owned by the taxpayer? Just a question as when I was in the military and used for various taxpayer vehicles I was not allowed to run around and give family members a ride since it wasn't my vehicle. A suspect in custody is a different story.

If so then how do I get one of the taxpayer vehicles to use for myself?

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 12:11 PM

Since I can't post to the story....

"It will not raise your taxes," said Supt. Tim McMurtrey, "since everyone is already paying this amount." ...

What a joke. It WILL KEEP OUR TAXES RAISED. The 2 year temporary levy (KEY WORD BEING TEMPORARY) has been going on for 4 years and they want another 2...then I'm sure another two. For educators they have no idea what the word TEMPORARY means.

Our country spends more money per kid than any other country but we still do poor.

Everyone I know has had to cut back on everything but the school keeps wasting and wasting, be it watering, lights on all night, or just incompetence. We need to cut these junkies off and quit giving them the supply they need to get high....VOTE NO ON THIS LEVY.

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 12:02 PM

The plan the district has for the Levy is that it needs to pass. That is their entire plan. Currently they do not even know according to them how much they really need or where they need it. When asked for a specific list of possible cuts if it fails they could not answer the question. if they did a little planning and some public educations on what is needed and where that would go along way to get public support.

Currently their plan B is that if it fails now they will have another election to try and pass it in May.

-- Posted by werborg on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 10:32 AM

Great narrative Mr. Traubel, I could not agree more.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 9:29 AM

JTROTTER.... I like the way you think. Raw numbers are often very misleading. Keep asking the "rest of the story" questions. It seems as if truth seekers will look all the way to the bottom line as opposed to "headline" seekers who ONLY look at the top line.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 8:47 AM


Your post would carry some weight if you posted all of the facts: how many businesses closed in 2013, how many of the 50 new businesses are profitable or how many are even open today? Or maybe what added value these businesses brought to our community.

Your post would have been more interesting if you would have added Naanee Naanee Naanee and left out the hashtag nonsense.

-- Posted by jtrotter on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 8:37 AM

KTVB web site

Twin Falls school dist. asking the voters to pass a levy. Spelling out exactly what the money will be used for, and why it's needed. A lot of money, but 3 new schools and improvements to the district. Most of all, a PLAN.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 8:14 AM

More on the wounders of Obama care


-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 7:32 AM

In 2013 over 50 new businesses opened up in Mountain Home. #DemocratsWin; #RepublicansFail.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Mar 6, 2014, at 7:25 AM

Mtn. Home News,

Nice editorial :) You forgot the quotation marks at the beginning and end though. If you are not going to do any research or any type of real investigative reporting, at least proper grammar when quoting the MHSD.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Mar 5, 2014, at 9:33 AM

The Republicans in the House are going for their 50th rendition of Repeal ObamaCare today. It wasn't long ago the Republican were calling these efforts Repeal and Replace votes. What happened to the replace part? Maybe the Republicans are only worried about keeping our soldiers in a perpetual state of war and don't really care about anything else. The actions and words of the Republicans suggest this is true.

The train is pulling up to the station Boys. Choo choo.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Mar 5, 2014, at 8:02 AM


Yes, but I have read that they have real plans for their money. None of this " I don't know but?"

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Mar 4, 2014, at 3:03 PM

School District accounting must be a state wide epidemic, I see that not only MHSD but also Caldwell, Kuna, Meridian, Middleton and Nampa school districts have apparent accounting issues as they are all going for levies totaling over $21 million.

-- Posted by Auction Hunter on Tue, Mar 4, 2014, at 2:49 PM

Old guy.

I think the second part of your statement is correct. (They don't care)

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Tue, Mar 4, 2014, at 9:38 AM

Don't forget school levy vote is 11 March. Do some research and be informed before you vote. It sure would be nice if MHSD would have a budget that they can stick to and not come at us every year with their hands out for more money. Simple accounting, you can only spend what monies you have and not count on what you might get. It seems MHSD failed this part of accounting or does not care. I believe voting will be held at your normal voting location. Maybe MH News can clarify this for all.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Mar 3, 2014, at 8:15 PM

proof positive,

The way I phrased that does lead a person to think what you did. I, however, did not intend for it to come across that way, I apologize.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Sun, Mar 2, 2014, at 8:13 PM

are you suggesting that most on banter box are cowards simply because they choose not to use their real names?

-- Posted by proof positive on Sun, Mar 2, 2014, at 11:39 AM

proof positive,

It is possible that you are referring to me. I do happen to have a problem with law enforcement in this town, but not just ECSO, I happen to believe that both need to make some changes. As for being the ONLY one, that's incorrect. I believe you replied to one other post I made, too bad you fear letting my know who you really are, only cowards hide behind nic names.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Sat, Mar 1, 2014, at 11:03 PM

don't reply or post often,but sure seems like one particular poster is the ONLY one who continually berates ECSO Grudge maybe?

-- Posted by proof positive on Sat, Mar 1, 2014, at 2:07 PM

It is starting to look like there won't be any more brinkmanship on the budget this year, as Congress has the upcoming election on it's mind.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Mar 1, 2014, at 9:19 AM

McCallum S,


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Feb 27, 2014, at 12:53 PM

Wow, sorry I missed Mr Bird's post. Can someone fill me in?

-- Posted by McCallumS on Thu, Feb 27, 2014, at 12:39 PM

I thought Mr. Bird's letter was quite insightful!

-- Posted by ltngblt on Thu, Feb 27, 2014, at 11:31 AM

"I find it rather ironic that 2 post on 2 different days from 2 different people concerning the ECSD are deleted. Hmmmmm, any one else concerned?"

Probably because the MHN is in the pocket of the local authorities. Heaven forbid they did any actual investigative reporting.

-- Posted by hdrider on Thu, Feb 27, 2014, at 10:59 AM

Mr. Bird, that is without a doubt the most ignorant bunch of nonsense I have ever read in the Paper. You will never make it as a comedian. I'm wondering if you stole this from one of Piers Morgan's unpublished diatribes. You do have your backers though......rooting for your intellectually sound state of mind. Whoda thunk it?

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Feb 27, 2014, at 8:26 AM

We hear it all the time from the Republicans; the US Constitution is the only law of the land. And now we understand what the Republicans think about religion, law and the Constitution.

"The First Amendment was meant only to protect the Christian faith. When the founders spoke of religion, they meant the Christian religion. They did not have to keep saying the Christian religion because everyone knew that is what they were talking about." = AZ Tea Party

If you agree with the statement written above from the Republicans then you are one of them. The Republican misinformation train is yours to ride but with a little research, you'll find it's a train wreck in progress. It seems another train is following the misinformation train and it's called the conservative Paranoia Wayne Train. Choo Choo and all aboard Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Feb 27, 2014, at 7:30 AM

Mr. Bird, you are a great writer! I enjoyed it very much!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 26, 2014, at 4:20 PM

Excellent LTE Mr. Bird.

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Wed, Feb 26, 2014, at 2:13 PM

Great LTE this week on the WECRD. Glad some are watching. Great to see!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Wed, Feb 26, 2014, at 11:45 AM

I find it rather ironic that 2 post on 2 different days from 2 different people concerning the ECSD are deleted. Hmmmmm, any one else concerned?

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Feb 26, 2014, at 10:10 AM

Early voting on the Supplemental Levy for the schools can be accomplished at the courthouse. Hadn't seen this info posted anywhere else and didn't want folks to miss out if they weren't going to be around on 11 March.

-- Posted by Northside on Tue, Feb 25, 2014, at 7:47 PM

McCallum S,

I could not agree more. Why was that post removed? No names were mentioned and it was indeed quite informative to the public.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Feb 25, 2014, at 5:01 PM

I wonder why the posts regarding law enforcement in this community continue to be removed. I read a post a very interesting post yesterday, referred some acquaintances to the article and they found it had been removed. Is the editor of this forum so biased that all complaints about law enforcement will be removed. I saw no names being mentioned. I would like to see the harassment of the local citizens to stop. I would like to see law enforcement to once again be relied upon for protecting the people of this community and looked up to by its children. I would like to feel safe and believe that when I do have problems that I can call for help and receive that help without feeling as though my call is not important enough to warrant the attention of the local law enforcement officers. I would like to see an investigation completed by outside forces to clean up both city and county officers.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Tue, Feb 25, 2014, at 4:07 PM

Tim, thanks for giving your input. You can also respond during an online session if you choose. No matter how you do it I thank you for responding. WE as sportsman need to keep what we have. If the land owners have an issue with migrating game on their property maybe they should allow access to said property. Along those lines a BLM grazing allotment is NOT their personal property and should have no say whether elk are wintering on it. In my opinion the laws pertaining to grazing and ranching need to be revisited and brought into the 21st century.

Below is a link to IDF+G to respond to proposed changes. If anyone thinks this does not affect them because they do not hunt there, they are sadly mistaken. Where will approx. 800 archery hunters go? Guaranteed you will see an increase in hunter numbers in your area if these changes happen.

Now is the time to speak up folks!


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Feb 25, 2014, at 8:03 AM

Republicans have been speaking out in public again. Their own little brand of conservatism makes us laugh at times, cry most times and on occasion want to question their motive. Without further ado, we present just a few of the recent Republican policy ideas.

# Block the Senate vote on a military sexual assault bill to push an Iran Sanctions bill.

# Trying to get gay football players banned from the NFL.

# Explain how pregnant women are just 'Hosts' with no rights.

# Calling the president of the United States a subhuman mongrel.

# Blurting out the idea that Jesus was a tough guy and real "man's man," and that is because he is a warrior who will come back covered in the blood of his enemies and carrying an assault rifle.

# Insist that God created this nation and that He wrote the Constitution, that it's based on biblical principles.

The misinformation train the Republicans are asking you to buy tickets on can be derailed. Do the research but if the ideas up above resonate with you, vote Republican.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Feb 25, 2014, at 7:34 AM

I will not be able to make it to the Friday evening IDFG meeting in Boise so I'll bend Mike Demick's ear by e-mail.



-- Posted by bondyweb on Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 9:28 PM

Yes, I have spent time in that area, very nice area.

Here is a link for time/location of open meetings for comments to the proposal's


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 7:40 AM

Northside and Joe:

Thank You for the data and replies. While I'm not a hunter, a healthy wildlife population should be important to all Idahoans who use our public lands. If the IDFG wildlife and land management isn't what it should be, then they need to be told and held accountable.

Ever recreate or hunt in the Boardman Pass area up near Hill City? Quite a fascinating and beautiful area.



-- Posted by bondyweb on Sun, Feb 23, 2014, at 10:11 AM


The numbers I state are all from IDFG. The new and modified hunts are all in the link that Joe provided, the survey numbers are available under the a Elk Plan Process link at:


Other things of note for the Smoky Mountain zone, the increased hunt numbers proposed for the zone are higher than I originally thought since during a second review of the proposals I found increased tags being proposed in the area 48 section also (in some cases 30-40 percent more tags). Additionally, IDFG is going to stop all winter feeding in area 43 thus pushing even more elk into winter range that has been problematic for the ranchers. They have also combined the Smoky Mountain zone and the Bennett zone into one area, despite the fact that these two areas have wildly disparate terrain/topography, hugely different public access since one is mostly wilderness while the other has a larger percentage of private land, differing predator balances and differing forage possibilities. This last move of combining the two zones appears to be a numbers game that will allow IDFG to claim the combined zone "meets" objective for overall elk numbers. If I don't miss my guess we'll never know the true fallout of all their combined policies on the original Smoky Mountain zone as future surveys will probably only show the combined area numbers. I protested these moves at every level, IDFG website comments, IDFG hosted live chat, along with both regional and HQ IDFG meetings to no avail. I've been told by an IDFG official that despite what their own surveys show for the Smoky Mountains elk population (a 22 percent drop) they "think that the elk are sneaking back into the Smoky Mountains when we aren't looking". Note, they "think" the elk are sneaking back in, they don't even have any tracking of radio collared elk to back that statement up.

The combined policies of the recently approved Elk Plan Process and these new hunts seem to hint that IDFG is more interested in appeasing the ranchers than with the overall health of this portion of the state elk herd.

We all know that the fires of the last two years have significantly effected both the summer and winter range of the elk, the winter range has been squeezed particularly hard. I understand the viewpoint of the ranchers, but the thing is that should be a short term problem. Elk habitat has usually rebounded after a fire to be even more robust for elk forage just a few years afterwards, but it looks like IDFG is implementing a very short-sighted short term strategy that will have hugely detrimental effects on the overall strength of the herd for a long time to come.

Oh, and though I've only done that late archery hunt that Joe was talking about a couple years, it was great fun and definitely should stay around instead of being eliminated as currently proposed by IDFG.

-- Posted by Northside on Sat, Feb 22, 2014, at 11:17 AM

Bondy, regardless if the numbers are correct or otherwise, ALL need to respond to this. The numbers the media/landowners would like you to believe are grossly over estimated. Either way a great hunt is in jeopardy of being removed if not being brought to the attention of hunters.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Sat, Feb 22, 2014, at 1:53 AM


According to the figures ya state, the IDFG doesn't seem to have a handle on the science nor math portion wildlife management. Is it possible your conclusions are wrong? If they aren't, then all Idahoans need to comment on these proposed changes.

Also, any idea if the large herd of elk are still hanging around Mayfield?



-- Posted by bondyweb on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 4:07 PM


Thanks for the link to the proposed changes, I've been looking for that.

Anybody that hunts Smoky Mountains should take a close look at these proposed changes. That elk herd has seen a lot of increased pressure over the last several years between wolves, wildfires, and additional hunters as other surrounding areas have lost habitat. Over the last two elk surveys the Smoky Mountain herd has dropped 22 percent, and by IDFG's own account is under-objective, but what is IDFG's proposed solution? According to these proposals it's to increase tags for the general hunt by ten percent, add in a new antlerless hunt for another 100 elk and then add a new hunt for 200 elk in an area where a large number of these elk go for winter range. That would seem a counter-intuitive approach to an an under-objective and decreasing herd. Those concerned need to let IDFG know what they think either through the website, the live chat sessions or their comment meetings. Closest meeting is in Jerome on Wednesday next week.

-- Posted by Northside on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 9:55 PM

Archery hunters should keep an eye on this, a great hunt could be lost.


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 1:28 PM

CoolBreeze, the story was on Fox News and various other extreme right wing sites including Drudge. It was not, as far as I can see reported on any mainstream media site. And the source of the poll cleaned up it's poll headings so as not to misinform.

BTW as I'm sure that you realize my name isn't Wayne and I'm pretty sure that Sara-Connor is not Wayne either. I'm also pretty sure that the next person that calls you on an incorrect statement or disagrees with you on your point of view isn't named Wayne either. Let's Hope4 a more respectful discussion America.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 12:57 PM

Back to the local matters. Thank you Werborg.:

After Sitting in the School board meetings the last two months the school is planning on this passing. When asked what would be cut the board and the superintendent only could answer we don't know. The said that 13% of the budget would need to be cut but could not say where they were sort. The only response the board could give was we can not do a budget to see with out the numbers from the state but we know we need this money. One member stated that they had to demolish two empty schools on base because they did not get the maintenance levy two years ago failing to mention that one had been empty since at least 05 and the other was closed in the fall of 05 due to low enrollment. The school board also stated how we are no different than the rest of the schools in Idaho that are running a levy. They also say that they will only take from the tax payers what they need from us for some reason I see that no matter what they will take it all and need it all. The school board is also trying to claim that the raise in utility costs is also behind part of this and how the power prices have raise over 30% in the last 5 years not sure where that is coming from since Idaho power just raised the price 10% for the first price increase in over 5 years and the cost of Gas through intermountain gas has only gone down for the last 5 years. One of the most disturbing things to me was the scare tactics this the board president tries to use on the district employees such as stating "I would hate to have to put you out on the health care exchange for your benefit" failing to mention that by law they are required to provide the insurance. According to the slide presentation that the superintendent showed last Tuesday 80% of the budget is pay and benefits. with over 63% being pay. I would suggest that they look at cutting the pay of those at the top to make up some of this considering that the superintendent of MHSD makes over 94K and his wife make the same. Several others in that office make 85K or better. Start with a pay cut than lets see what else we can afford to cut. This district and board need to become truthful on what will be affected if we decide to not renew the levy for a third time.

As to the emergency levy they took due to a few extra students in some class rooms really was not needed because they didn't like the class sizes being over 25 students in about 6 class rooms. When the superintendent stated that he need the money they didn't mention that with the migrant students in the system they will see a drop in the enrollment of students in November for about a 8 to 10 week period according to the principals that held briefings the last two meetings so yes it was just another money grab by this district.

In my opinion when 3 members on the current board come up for reelection next year we need to get three new people in there in the words of the board president they are elected officials and when we are unhappy with the decisions the elected officials make we need to express that at the ballot box and elect new officials. with most of these board members being on this board for 10+ years it is time for a new perspective on how this district is run and not just a rubber stamp.

Finally one board member mentioned that when they researched who voted for the last levy most of the district employees did not vote. The fact that they were checking who voted disturbs me but what disturbed me more was how the superintendent and the board president made fun of the election that resulted in a coin toss on who would sit on the board.

Mountain home your voice counts and so does your vote this is a 50%+1 to pass or fail so get out and vote but also get involved with the district attend the meeting and voice your concern on what is going on and hold them accountable.

-- Posted by werborg on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 10:10 AM

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 11:33 AM

Once again CoolBreeze is repeating the extreme right wing mis-information which was refuted in the link below. yougov.com has revised it's headings to clear up the mis-information over it. But it sounds negative about Obama, so of course CoolBreeze will keep passing it on. After all if he thinks it's true then it must be true, right? Wrong!

Your first clue, CoolBreeze is that Fox News was repeating it and not a mainstream news organization like CNN.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 10:41 AM

CoolBreeze83647; it appears conservative Independents such as you don't really understand the US Constitution. Try reading the twenty-second Amendment of the United States Constitution.

Spoiler Alert; a certain person cannot be elected again to a certain high level office.

Spinning like a top in your conservative world isn't dangerous to anyone other than yourself but coming out like you do after a forever promise creates amusement for all of us.

Forever Yours Coolbreeze.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 10:10 AM

"Nuclear options." Spare the public, please Mountain Home School District. McMurtrey, you need to open your "little black book of threats" and come up with a new one as the "nuclear" thing is a bit old.

Taxes will not go up---well, yes they will because you yahoos took over 400,000 in an "Emergency Levy" in 2013 in ADDITION to the one you are asking for now. So to say that taxes will not go up is yet another MHSD lie.

I hope that people will turn out to vote on this and demand that the Mountain Home School District start living within their means and not off of "temporary" or "Supplemental" monies. This is a local matter and not nearly as exciting as Michelle Obama writing some book---but certainly demonstrates yet another hand in your pocket and food being pulled from your table.


◦March 11, 2014 - 8:00 a.m.-8:00 p.m.

◦$2.7 million starting July 1, 2014, and ending June 30, 2015

◦$2.7 million starting July 1, 2015, and ending June 30, 2016

You guys are really something.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 7:27 AM

"They're coming to take it all away from us."

At our now monthly dinner group of liberals, Democrats and a few moderate Republicans we briefly discussed "the war". That's right, the Republican like to scream, carry on, whine, point fingers and pout uncontrollably about how the liberals are taking away everything Republicans hold dear.

It wasn't long ago Obama was sending out his private army to take away all their guns. The price of ammunition and guns skyrocketed and are now plummeting. What happened to that false rallying cry of they're coming to take our guns? We believe it settled down because they couldn't sell that conspiracy theory without any evidence. Might it be the Republicans have moved on to the mantra, we need guns in bars, colleges and churches? Concealed weapons in a bar or in a college classroom; what could go wrong with this Grand Old Party idea.

Republicans like to scream liberals are taking away their religious liberties. The war on XMAS that never happened is falsely brought forward every year. And recently this war that was in your face and blatant just 3 months ago has now been described as a silent war on religion. We think republicans like to throw their many different conspiracies against the wall and see if anything sticks.

The subject of the new revolution is still alive and well in the Republican world. It seems like just 5 years ago the Republicans were promising the war was about to begin. These rascals never would reveal who the enemy was or who the war was against. They still want to keep that information on the down low; for some reason. We believe the Republicans need to act hawkish to keep their base scared and angry.

If you are tired of being scared, angry or persistently mad, why not do the research. See if the Republican misinformation campaign isn't the cause of all that negativity. We think you'll be happier if you leave the Republican party behind. It's up to you now.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 7:23 AM


Going to Boise later. Should be helpful.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Feb 19, 2014, at 8:00 AM

Dude, I'm not associated with the MHSD. I do have a family member that is a teacher in another school district and I know how hard that teachers work and I know that they and the school administration are constantly looking for ways to improve learning in the schools. The children are starting to use IPads in her classroom.

Look at the star system if you want an efficiency audit. The star system, although not perfect, rates schools and MH High School does well, particularly considering it is in a less affluent district where school funding is hard to get.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 9:27 PM

Sammy, I find wolves' wiki posts far more useful and insightful than any of your (including all your user names) posts. Didn't you read the post on pork? I suggest reading that before you endure a pork related medical condition. As far as the whole tax discussion goes, we all pay our fair share and proportionate amounts due. I haven't seen anyone on an anti tax diatribe. I (like the others) have no issues with taxes passed on to me, I have no issues paying my portion, all I ask for is accountability and responsibility in spending the big pot of money that is accumulated. Now go have your Metamucil night cap and shut out the lights.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 8:45 PM


You must be associated with this district in some manner. Regretfully. I do not believe this district would be willing to "chew" on the results of such an evaluation. They are in denial. Times are changing, get with it. It's called technology. It's everywhere. Successful schools use it. Don't "red herring" swim in schools??

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 7:50 PM

Dude, I believe that your efficiency audit is what is known as a "red herring."

red herring


: something unimportant that is used to stop people from noticing or thinking about something important

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 7:19 PM


If you read one of my previous posts, I stated that I would not mind paying for a new High School if I knew money was being spent in an efficient manner. If you do not understand the benefits of an efficiency audit to see that we are getting the max out of the dollars already being spent, then you have absolutely no business commenting on or discussing the topic. Just keep living month to month or in the Districts case year to year.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 6:47 PM


Nice job on the projection there. That is what people do when they have no clue what they (being you) are talking about.

I choose not to wrestle with pigs or do too much troll feeding these days. I hate to get dirty and the under portion of bridges just are not my thing;).

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 4:11 PM

OpinionMissy to assume that I think "some of" you just don't want to pay more taxes is not true.

I said it to Dude based on his apparent inability to find any reason why he hates the levy except that he wants an operational audit in order to go on a witch hunt. He seemed quite emotional too about his property taxes.

I take everybody on a case by case basis. I'm pretty sure that you haven't researched this issue thoroughly based on your previous posts, but I could be wrong. You don't seem to be able to identify what particular budget item that you think should be cut to make up in the shortfall of government reducing what they give to the schools.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 4:05 PM


I do not have an issue with Gilbert or McMurtrey.

But they do substantiate my point. They are educators (not business people) taking the advise (not to offend) of a bean counter. It's not tough to tell when you are out of beans. What this district needs is the advise of professionals on how to make business decisions in tough times. Many U.S. corporations rely on the advise and expertise of such professionals so that they may remain competitive with their competition. What a great tool at the districts disposal that they refuse to use. It is probably true, that at times you may not want to chew on their findings.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 2:59 PM

Wasn't there a time when the building that houses Bennett Mountain School HS had been condemned? My understanding of a condemned building means it has deteriorated so bad that it isn't worth the money to restore it.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 2:41 PM


That was brought up at the last "meetings" held by the MHSD before the last levy---bringing in an expert---MHSD felt they had an audit and that was good enough. It was stated in those meetings by either Gilbert or McMurtrey. They stated over and over how there was nothing left to cut---they had done it all. "No more meat on the bones" was what was stated.

It is all a game of smoke and mirrors and the students are the pawns. It is sad. A disgrace really.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 2:16 PM


To "assume" that some of us on here "just do not want to pay more taxes" is not true.

Many of us on here have sat through the meetings and "hearings" organized by the MHSD and their Board. We have gone through the "facts" as presented by the MHSD and their Board and then---the actual facts---from reliable sources with no skin in the game such as the State Dept. of Ed (to name just one source).

While I do not have children, I am very much pro education because it does me no good, looking at the future, to have future country leaders who are uneducated. It also does this country no good to have children that grow into young adults who can't compete in a global job market---that creates MORE WELFARE.

So to "assume" that some of us are just anti tax---is a lie. While many out there may be anti tax due to economics, personal habits, etc. it does nothing for us as a country to have under educated kids. However, when you are taxed, a reasonable person, expects to see a return on that such as responsible spending, reduced spending, etc. We do not have that here.

Were you by chance a part of the last "meetings" the MHSD held at the library before the last levy (they lasted for several weeks)? I am just wondering. See, I was at those "meetings" and you would not believe the GARBAGE that the MHSD put out (in print). Some of us have been around the MSD/Board block a time or 2. In this case, their 2 + 2 does not equal 4. That is a problem. It is all about the "facts" and this situation is not as it would seem. Did you know that no less than 50% of the MHSD budget is for pay and benefits? If you owned a bona fide business---would you be able to sustain a business like that?

This is a perfect example of the laws of diminishing returns. But hey, at least we are now in the daycare business!! :)

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 2:11 PM


Unwillingness to examine the economic efficiency and productivity of MHSD is a great injustice and in your terms "failure to research the truth"


-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 11:38 AM

It's too bad that you are unable to provide your children with an example of truth through researching things, and logical thought.

I suspect the bottom line on your opinion on the levy is you just don't want to pay more taxes. Maybe your children can pick up your parsimony.

So .... whatever, dude.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 10:11 AM


Historically, liberals have never been too good with money, so I understand you running around any form of financial common sense. This is one area that I have taken upon myself to teach my children, and they really seem to understand. Maybe a little conservative influence?? What can they possibly learn at school about financial responsibility and accountability? They're in a district that refuses to review their financial choices to see if they can be improved upon to better improve their fiscal efficiency. Just teaching a group of kids to stand, do nothing, and hold your hand out.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 7:53 AM

Then you are right, they should have been given something to read or some assignment.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 7:29 AM

No, Sam, the movies are not usually educational, that is why I was saying why not read a book or something.

-- Posted by DANSHL on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 7:18 AM

It's been said by Republicans both local and distant the Democrats shut down the USA Government in 2013. Problematic statements by Republicans can only shine the light on the misinformation train they are riding on.

"If you're a Republican in Congress, you've learned that when we shut down the government, we lose. Now that we've had some success in avoiding another shutdown, our fortunes seem to be rising, so maybe we don't want big things to happen." = Rep. Vin Weber (R-Minn.)

Do the research, listen to what they say and watch their actions. Is the Republican party for you?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 7:14 AM

IdahoWantsWolves seems to have a problem of some kind and it's getting pretty old.

DANSHL, I hear what you are saying and don't really disagree. With limited money though, the school can't afford to have somebody on the bench ready to teach when a teacher is ill or has a family emergency. I assume that the movie was educational. I'd like to see more computer and on-line learning. It's more fun for the students and I think most of them learn more.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 10:31 PM

idahowantswolves, you're a real "RICHARD"...you know what I mean.

-- Posted by MrMister on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 9:31 PM

I just have to jump in on the MHSD levy debate. I have a hard time voting yes for levies anymore, and it isn't because I don't believe they are spending our money wisely. Not to say that they are either, as I am certain there is a great deal of waste. My issue is that I do not think they are teaching, and I will give a few examples.

Most of us over the age of 30 learned how to read phonetically. This may not be the case today, but by the time my 16 year old daughter started school, phonics was no longer the primary method used. Why not? It works, it is useful and teaches kids to think about what they are doing as they are doing it.

My youngest daughter had the most horrible penmanship when she was younger. I once asked one of her teachers (at PT conferences) if she marked off points for that. She responded by telling me that if she took off points for handwriting, she would spend too many hours grading papers. Oh. Quality doesn't matter.

And I can't tell you how many times my kids have come home from school telling me that they had a sub in this or that class, so they watched a movie! Maybe the sub wasn't qualified to teach that subject, I can accept that, but can't the kids read a book? Get excused to get help with another class? Have a current events discussion?

And spelling... next time you go to McDonald's and the kid asks the name for your receipt, you better hope it's Bob!

-- Posted by DANSHL on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 7:55 PM

Outrage is their favorite thing. They don't want the ACA to succeed because they don't want Obama to succeed. It's personal.

The Senate, House of Representatives, and the President don't want to pass anything significant in 2014 because they don't want to make people mad for the 2016 election. According to an article from The Hill, work used to stop 9 months before an election which would be February 2016. It is now stopping 2 years and 9 months before the 2016 election. How disappointing!


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 4:27 PM

It appears Republicans are screaming about the ACA, Obama and the employer mandate delay. Screaming everything from impeach to lawless, a few commie and nazi remarks to the typical dictator crack.

Lets go over how Republicans have acted in the last 20 years and focus on the last 4 years.

# 1993 Republican think tank proposes the individual and employer mandate.

# 2010 Every Republican in Congress votes against the ACA.

# 2011-2013 Republicans unsuccessfully vote 40+ times to repeal the ACA.

# Late 2013 Republicans shut down the government because Obama won't eliminate or delay the ACA mandates.

# February 2014 Obama delays employer mandate.

# February 2014 Republicans howl, scream, whine and throw temper tantrum in front of every TV camera visible that Obama delayed those mandate.

The only thing we can expect out of the Republican Party is they will manufacture extreme outrage and obvious misinformation just to keep their base happy. Still want to vote for Republicans?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 11:54 AM

Dude, I have been patiently responding to your questions and your response is inappropriately angry and aggressive. Figure it out for yourself.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 11:01 AM


I don't care about a burn mark by the stove. It is about efficiency. It seems you can't or won't understand this concept. If operating efficiently at times you can do the same with less, or even more with the same. Maybe I should stop calling it an audit, and refer to it as a review. An private organization reviewing your expenses, practices and policies to find areas where you are out of balance, may need changes, and be more efficient. It doesn't really matter how you word it, it's nothing more than what I have done in my household and I'm sure many other households. If my children do not come out of this High School understanding this simple concept, they better start offering Chinese and Japanese as second languages. Trust me, they understand the concept.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 8:06 AM

To reduce the confusion, the statement says that Dr. Michaelson is working to support the financial audit, and IN ADDITION to the financial audit he is working on efficiency. Efficiency is not being audited.

I know how you feel about children and questions. When I ask my children a difficult question the answer I sometimes get is "I don't know." The kitchen counter has a burn mark near the stove. My son swears he doesn't know where that came from. Believe me I'm not trying to avoid answering your questions. There may have been a miscommunication on both of our parts.

This is the pertinent part of the comments on the Nampa school district web site.

"The district is forming an independent "audit" committee to review financial documents and report to the Board of Trustees.

In addition, Dr. Michaelson is working on how to structure the district office and our schools to support this effort and to operate the most efficiently."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 9:29 PM

From the Nampa School District web site they say the following. Note that they are not doing an efficiency audit but putting into place processes that will help them handle their finances efficiently. The only efficiency in regards to the schools has to be things like the attendance tracking which is a factor in how much money the school receives.

I can't emphasize enough that Nampa is not working on how to efficiently handle education in it's schools. They are talking about finances.

"What is the district doing to prevent future budgeting errors?

The district's new finance officer is a Certified Public Accountant (CPA) and the district hiring another CPA for the finance team. The district is putting in place new procedures for and monitoring processes. The district is forming an independent "audit" committee to review financial documents and report to the Board of Trustees.

In addition, Dr. Michaelson is working on how to structure the district office and our schools to support this effort and to operate the most efficiently."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 9:12 PM


I would love nothing more than to help pay for a new High School for Mountain Home. Some financial issues appear to be cleaned up first. An efficiency audit would be a great start.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 9:03 PM


The first audit discovered the accounting error. The admin. said that they would conduct and independent audit with proceeds from the levy to assure the tax payers that there money was being spent efficiently, and provide improvements to the district. Still running in circles. Just like when I ask my kids how they spent the money I gave them.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 9:01 PM

Dudey, you were talking about having an audit like what Nampa offered which was not an audit of efficiencies. They made an accounting error which was a mistake apparently which made it a good idea for them to have an independent audit.

We are in agreement then that the school system needs to be more efficient. If started, that would probably take years to do but well worth the effort of getting started with it.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 8:48 PM


I am asking for no more than any financially responsible person would do in their own home.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 8:44 PM


Anyone can balance a check book. An efficiency audit is what I have been referring to this entire time. That's how you add money to your check book, and it needs to start right here at home in MHSD. In rough times we must see where we can come up with more money by being efficient with the money we have. Quit running circles around the fact.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 8:39 PM

On the audit of efficiencies that you speak of, dude, IMO, this needs to happen for the entire state. We don't need unequal education depending on whether your district is rich or poor and we don't need charter schools AND public schools that are redundant to each other.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 8:20 PM

No, you are wrong about that Dude. Read the detailed summary of the last audit. It has a letter from the independent auditor.

It states in part:


In our opinion, the financial statements referred to above present fairly, in all material respects, the respective financial position of the governmental activities, each major fund, and the aggregate remaining fund information of the District, as of June 30, 2013, and the respective changes in financial position for the year then ended in accordance with accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of


Eide Bailley, LLP is the independent auditor.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 8:17 PM


MHSD has an audit every year. The accountant is auditing himself. I am referring to an independent audit done by a private company. Corporations use these companies to paint pictures of there operations to see where they can be more efficient. Comparing yourself with similar entities could be a helpful tool. Nampa official stated that an independent audit would be performed to assure tax payers that their money is used in an efficient manner. I think one would go a long way in this community. We are talking about a 20-25 million annual budget here. Small percentages can save a lot of money. An internal audit might show that all monies are accounted for. An external audit to include efficiencies could possibly show that with some small changes in policy that a lot of dollars may be save.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 7:57 PM

Dudey, I believe that the most recent cut in school funding was federal money due to the sequestration. However, if you read the document that was in the first link that I posted from the idahocfp.org site you will see that this has been a problem in recent years caused by our legislature and governor. Not to mention Tom Luna.

I am not opposed to an audit. The MHSD does one every year. I am opposed to redundant audits without good reason. They cost money and take away time from people that have a job to do. I'm not sure what the situation was in Nampa and why they are going with an audit as a condition of getting the levy passed. It sounds like just politics to me.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 7:43 PM


From an article submitted to the MH news from the MHSD a while ago, it is Federal money they are missing. They have been missing this money for a while and keep including it in their budget. They seem to think that it will eventually come. If so, do we get a refund? You seem to avoid the concept of an audit such the one that Nampa will do. The math on the Federal monies not received did not add up either.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 7:14 PM

Dudey, pay attention. Much as you think that the world revolves around you, I'm addressing Opinion Missy's claim that "Richard McKenna GOOD and MHSD BAD". Ok, not an exact quote but pretty much what she said.

This is an important vote and I don't want our children short-changed on their education. I also think that the accountability needs to be with the legislature that has cut funding to schools requiring them to have to get a special levy just to not reduce programs or make the class sizes even higher.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 6:51 PM

I forgot to mention, while Richard McKenna has a star rating of 3, Mountain Home Sr. High school has a star rating of 4.

Great job Mountain Home Sr. High School!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 5:09 PM

The link just below explains the funding issues that Idaho schools are faced with. Unfortunately, poor school districts in particular are struggling.


The next link, has details on where the money comes from. Taxpayers, one way or another pays for the Charter Schools. They tend to get more per student because class size is smaller and attendance is better. The students, or their parents had to make an effort to get into a charter school so that probably is a factor in attendance. Although they don't get money from Property taxes they do cost money and when Mountain Home already has a high school and times are tough, why would we want a redundant school to pay for?

http://choiceineducation.iptblogs.com/20... The summary below is from this link.

- Over 99% of a school's revenue is derived from 3 sources, local property tax, (11.3%) federal sources (15.3%) and State sources. (73.25%)

- All of these funds are paid by taxpayers

- All schools receive funding from all sources with the exception of charter schools which DO NOT receive any property tax proceeds.

- Charter schools DO NOT have any property tax levying authority.

- State funds are distributed to all schools based upon a formula driven by the number of support units for that school.

-The number of support units for a school is determined by the number and type of students in average daily attendance.

-The formula used to determine the number of support units uses a table of divisors which provides greater equity for the small traditional school or the typical charter school.

-The value of each support unit is determined by the state appropriation divided by the estimated number of support units statewide.

-The number of support units a school generates determines the amount of money it receives from the state.

Using your own web site, Opinion Missy. Here is some information about how well Richard McKenna is doing. 4 or 5 stars is considered good. Richard McKenna has 3 stars.


◾Five stars (11): Coeur d'Alene Charter Academy, Coeur d'Alene; Compass Public Charter School, Meridian; Idaho Distance Education Academy, Deary; Liberty Charter School, Nampa; Meridian Medical Arts Charter High School, Meridian; Meridian Technical Charter High School, Meridian; North Valley Academy, Gooding; Upper Carmen Public Charter School, Carmen; Victory Charter School, Nampa; Vision Charter School, Caldwell; White Pine Charter School, Ammon.

◾Four stars (18): Academy at Roosevelt Center, Pocatello; Anser Charter School, Garden City; Forrest M. Bird Charter School, Sandpoint; Blackfoot Charter Community Learning Center, Blackfoot; Heritage Community Charter School, Caldwell; Idaho Arts Charter School, Nampa; Thomas Jefferson Charter School, Caldwell; Legacy Charter School, Nampa; Monticello Montessori School, Ammon; Moscow Charter School, Moscow; North Star Charter School, Eagle; Palouse Prairie School, Moscow; Payette River Technical Academy, Emmett; Pocatello Community Charter School, Pocatello; Rolling Hills Charter School, Boise; Sage International Charter School, Boise; Taylor's Crossing Public Charter School, Idaho Falls; Xavier Charter School, Twin Falls.

◾Three stars (7): ARTEC Charter School, Twin Falls; Falcon Ridge Charter School, Kuna; Idaho Science and Technology Charter, Blackfoot; Idaho Virtual Academy, Meridian; Inspire Academics, Boise; Richard McKenna Charter High School, Mountain Home; The Village Charter School, Boise.

◾Two stars (2): Another Choice Virtual Charter School, Nampa; Idaho Connects Online School, Boise.

◾One star (4): Heritage Academy, Jerome; iSucceed Virtual High School, Boise; Kootenai Bridge Academy, Coeur d'Alene; Wings Charter Middle School, Twin Falls.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 4:45 PM


I agree. Glad that site gave you some of the info you had asked about.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 4:29 PM


Thanks so much. Great info. It appears Sammy and Sara speak from their back side. I just wasn't really sure. I knew they paid (obtained financing) for their new school. They do really well with their on-line classes. Almost 0 overhead. Seems like they do a better job of keeping up with the technology available these days. Traditional districts seem to fear technology, or should I say the IEA fears the technology. More with less labor. I think one of my biggest disappointments out of all this, other than the Districts refusal to improve upon their operations, is the Mtn. Home news really letting their readers and our community down.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 3:54 PM


You act like McKenna is a private school---which it is not. It is governed by laws with respect to enrollment. You are blowing smoke and not being honest.

What budget does the MHSD operate under? The never have "enough money" and get a levy---and still do not have "enough money" so they declare an "emergency" and TAKE more money.

So remind me again how great the MHSD is run. Enrollment in the MHSD has been on a steady decline for well over 10 years now. There is a reason for that. If the MHSD and their Board were proactive (which they are not) then they would have seen what was down the road and figured out what they were doing wrong. However, they lived high on the hog and it has hit home now. Pardon me if I do not jump on the pity party.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 3:45 PM

What kind of state funding do charters receive?

Charter school students receive the same state and federal dollars as traditional school district students (these funds follow students to their school choice), but they do not receive local tax dollars. Further, unlike traditional public schools, charter schools are not permitted to participate in local bond issues to fund their facilities. As a result, charter schools spend between $550 and $600 per student from their operating revenue each year on facilities costs.[1] However, recent changes to state law created a Public Charter School Facilities Equalization Fund that will create an independent funding stream for fixed facilities costs, and this should help reduce some of the disparity between district and charter school facilities.

How do charters compare when it comes to things like class sizes and teacher pay?

Charter schools across the country typically have smaller class sizes. In Idaho, because charter schools operate on particularly lean budgets and have to pay for their facility costs directly out of their basic aid, some charter schools make their budgets work by having larger class sizes.

Charters offer competitive teacher salaries. Some even base their compensation on the salary schedule of the school district where they are located, while other charters offer higher or lower salaries based on their budgets and missions. Charter schools are far more likely to offer performance-based pay incentives than traditional schools and in some schools merit pay can add 5 or 10 percent to a teacher's salary. Charter school teachers tend to be younger and make more earlier in their careers at charters, but more senior teachers usually make more money in district schools where traditional pay scales reward seniority, credentials and master degrees regardless of performance.

The web site info for more on Charter Schools in Idaho: http://www.idahoednews.org/voices/12-thi...

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 3:32 PM

What Opinion neglected to say, is that it's easier to stay on a budget if you get to pick your students, and pick what your school teaches. Other than basic accreditation, the Charter Schools do pretty much what they want to do.

Take a look at what McKenna has as part of their curriculum. The math classes are not exactly challenging. They don't go beyond algebra. What happened to trigonometry and calculus?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 3:29 PM


Thanks. I figured you would know. I remember in 2009 there was no levy or vote for their new school. Are they funded with any of our property tax dollars, or just from state funds? MHSD doesn't pump a whole ton of money into sports though. Most of these teams need to raise most of their money. A lot from parents and fund raisers. Transportation is the only area I really see them spending much at all. Coaches salaries are very small compared to other schools. As far as the News, that is a shame. They could be so helpful in getting a lot of this straightened out. At the top of this page they not "serving Elmore County for 119 years". Not doing us much of a service right now. For a lot of folks, its the only way to get info on what's going on in the community. It's a shame they won't tell the whole story. Nampa district would be a great source of info for our community, but not if our leaders do not want us to know. Take care.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 2:14 PM


McKenna gets ZERO from the levy. McKenna is also not allowed under Charter Rules to obtain a levy. McKenna makes it on tax dollars---or a set budget. They get what they get. If they build a building, they either save for it or obtain a loan. No levy elections. They get what they get. No more, no less.

You expect this paper to report the facts on public schools when Kelly is one of the MHSD's most known cheerleaders? A bleeding heart in the name of the "children?" Now that is funny.

Where do you people expect Charter School funding to come from? I am curious. At least McKenna is about education and not pumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into sports when their students can't read or do basic math. At least their focus is---of all things---EDUCATION. A school with a focus on education. Imagine that?

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 1:01 PM

GENIUS !!!!!!

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 10:33 AM

We have seen a rash of Red State Republicans fighting hard to get science books changed. Why do Republicans want to remove well established scientific principles and replace them with religious contortions? We understand political misinformation is important to the Republican agenda but starting in grade school? If you believe in evolution, the big bang theory and climate change, the Republican Party may not be right for you. Do the research.

Marching practice has been fabulous Boys, but dudewheresmycar, your musket needs cleaning.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 7:15 AM

I don't know Dudey. Probably nothing. Unlike the other public schools the Charter schools don't have the same criteria that the other public school have to adhere to. On the other hand, in fairness to them, they have to adhere to some standards and they have a certain budget.

As an example of the difference, the Charter Schools can control their enrollment. The public schools can't.

The public schools as a whole have been cut on what they have to work with due to the sequester and other things that the Idaho legislature decided to stop paying for. The Charter schools aren't directly affected by that. They have their agreed upon budget.

I would want my children to go to a Charter school out of selfishness. Altruistically I would send my children to a public school and try to improve the public schools.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 11:16 PM

How much will McKenna be receiving from this levy?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 8:32 PM

We need to do better than the status quo.

You should check again on where the funding comes from the charter school, bot the existing and the hoped for new one. Here is a link. McKenna uses public school money.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 7:31 PM


Finally a topic you cannot quote from the Washington Post or provide some link. MHSD has itself opened a charter school(Soon to include a day care). McKenna operates on its own money, and very successfully.

MHHS supposedly needs this money for "status quo", not improvements. Nampa stated that their money would go to an audit as well as many improvements. What are they doing right? A year ago they were in terrible shape. Teachers salaries is a topic in itself.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 7:09 PM

From everything that I've seen this extra money for the schools is necessary to stop cutting programs and to not have ridiculously large class sizes.

Instead of investing in Charter schools that only a small percentage of students get to attend, I say improve our public schools. Teacher salaries are terrible and Idaho ranks near the bottom on education of our students.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 6:26 PM

Mountain Home News,

Get out there, do some fact finding. Get out of the office or make some phone calls and see what other districts are facing and what they are doing about it. Find some courage, and report with no bias what you have found.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 5:34 PM


It's just around the corner. It would be great if we started seeing front page stuff in the Mountain Home News. It is probably one of the more important events impacting Mountain Home right now. It's amazing how the fact that Nampa is going to use some of their levy money for an independent financial audit is being completely ignored by our School Admin. and the MH News. This community has been so completely bounced around by the MHSD Admin., I feel it would really go a very long way. Without one I am just very very uncomfortable voting yes on this levy. Get an idependent audit and put me and some of the others in the community at ease.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 5:29 PM

Vote NO March 11, 2014! This is in addition to the over $400,000.00 "Emergency Levy" the MHSD Board took in 2013.

--Supplemental Mountain Home School District Levy-

◦Vote: March 11, 2014 - 8:00 a.m.-8:00 p.m.

◦$2.7 million starting July 1, 2014, and ending June 30, 2015

◦$2.7 million starting July 1, 2015, and ending June 30, 2016

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 4:19 PM

actually, I learned quite a bit from the pork post. That was way more useful than politics.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 11:01 PM

So wolves if people don't post what you like then you are going to flood the MHN banter box with garbage preventing anyone from seeing any other posts? Are you like five years old or something?

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 7:48 PM

It's posting my stuff I think people want to hear just like who cares about national politics on a local papers banter box . Just like the people keep posting politic crap on here . I find I history entertaining. Like u say to me , don't like it don't read it

-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 6:51 PM

I believe that what idahowantswolves is doing is a cyberattack. See the list below. I think that website defacement applies here.



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Cyberattack is also known as a computer network attack (CNA).

Techopedia explains Cyberattack

Cyberattacks may include the following consequences:

Identity theft, fraud, extortion

Malware, pharming, phishing, spamming, spoofing, spyware, Trojans and viruses

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Breach of access

Password sniffing

System infiltration

Website defacement

Private and public Web browser exploits

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The Institute for Security Technology Studies at Dartmouth University researches and investigates cyberattack issues facing law enforcement investigations and focuses on the continuous development of IP tracing, data analysis, real-time interception and national data sharing.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 6:34 PM

Let's have some local stuff now . Yeah , maybe , I'll be back ,

-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 5:59 PM

Nope , but u know it's what I like , just like them , live with it , I have too ,

-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 5:36 PM

"In other related news" I have the first candidate for Air Force downsizing/force shaping....disclaimer this made me mad as hell, but I love the Stars and Stripes (Stripes.com)


-- Posted by Dan Eilers on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 5:25 PM

It's irritating , isn't it .

-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 5:20 PM

Well that is one way to clean up the old BB. :)

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 5:19 PM

Cool breeze

For the same reason, that 3 or4 of the same people on here keeps posting all that political crap on here . Even though the rest of us are tired of it.

It my god giving right , it called free speech .

-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 5:12 PM

That's the point , enough with the political crap

-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 4:42 PM


Much better reading than Sam and Sara's political babble.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 4:41 PM

The Republican boogeyman factory is operating 24;7 in Tennessee. State Republicans have threaten to "vote against approving future incentives to help the plant expand" if the plant unionizes. We know the company leadership has no problem with unionization as they have said this already.

Then US Senator Corker implies he has secret information the car plant won't go ahead with a new production line if unionization occurs. The only problem with this Republican secret was, the company said it wasn't true.

It appears Republicans want to protect workers from higher wages and use their scary boogeyman called misinformation as their strongman.

Do the research and vote Republican if you agree with their agenda.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 4:33 PM

North & South (TV serial)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about the British television serial. For the American television miniseries, see North and South (TV miniseries). For other uses, see North and South.

North & South

British DVD cover

Format Costume drama

Written by Elizabeth Gaskell (novel), Sandy Welch (writer)

Directed by Brian Percival

Starring Daniela Denby-Ashe

Richard Armitage

Sinéad Cusack

Jo Joyner

Composer(s) Martin Phipps

Country of origin United Kingdom

No. of episodes 4


Producer(s) Kate Bartlett

Running time 235 min. (4 parts)


Original channel BBC One

Original run 14 November 2004 -- 5 December 2004

North & South is a British television drama serial, produced by the BBC and originally broadcast in four episodes on BBC One in November and December 2004. It follows the story of Margaret Hale (Daniela Denby-Ashe), a young woman from southern England who has to move to the North after her father decides to leave the clergy. The family struggles to adjust itself to the industrial town's customs, especially after meeting the Thorntons, a proud family of cotton mill owners who seem to despise their social inferiors. The story explores the issues of class and gender, as Margaret's sympathy for the town mill workers clashes with her growing attraction to John Thornton (Richard Armitage).

The serial is based on the 1855 Victorian novel North and South by Elizabeth Gaskell. It was adapted for television by Sandy Welch and directed by Brian Percival.

Contents [hide]

1 Plot

2 Cast

3 Production

3.1 Origins

3.2 Casting

3.3 Filming

3.4 Music

4 Reception

5 References

6 External links


Margaret Hale (Daniela Denby-Ashe) and her parents Maria (Lesley Manville) and Richard (Tim Pigott-Smith) move to the (fictional) industrial town of Milton, Darkshire, in the north of England because her father, a clergyman, decides to leave the Church of England and become a Nonconformist. Thanks to his friend, Mr. Bell (Brian Protheroe), he is able to find a house and gains employment as a private tutor. One of his pupils is local mill-owner John Thornton (Richard Armitage), who gets off to a bad start with Margaret when she witnesses him beating a worker whom he has caught smoking in the mill, thus endangering all the workers. Gradually, Margaret gets used to Thornton, but his mother Hannah (Sinéad Cusack) and sister Fanny (Jo Joyner) disapprove of her, believing her haughty and alien to the customs of the North. In the meantime, Margaret attempts to do charitable work among the working classes, and thus comes into contact with Nicholas Higgins (Brendan Coyle) and his daughter, Bessy (Anna Maxwell Martin), who contracted Pneumoconiosis from exposure to the cotton-fibres in the mills. When Bessy became ill at Hamper's Mill, her father moved her to Marlborough Mills, Thornton's mill, because the working environment is better there. In a meeting with fellow mill owners, Thornton says he had a wheel for ventilation installed in all of the rooms of his factory, despite the fact that it costs a great deal of money. The other industrialists had refused to install a wheel because of the expense.

Margaret mother is falling ill. Mrs Hale insists to see her son Frederick (Rupert Evans) before she dies. Frederick, a naval officer was involved in a mutiny and he cannot return to England without risking his life. However, without telling her father, Margaret writes to her brother in Cádiz, Spain, to tell him that their mother is dying. Margaret calls on the Thorntons to borrow a water-bed for her mother and is trapped while mill workers riot during a strike. When the angry mob threatens John's safety as he confronts them after Margaret's goading, Margaret defends him from the rioters and is injured by a thrown stone.

Margaret recovers and returns home, telling nobody about what had happened at the Mill, mainly to protect the health of her mother. When Thornton proposes to her the next day, she scorns him, thinking he believes himself superior because of the difference in their financial circumstances. He denies this and tells her that he is in love with her, but she insists that her actions were not personal.

Meanwhile, Bessy Higgins dies and Thornton stops coming for lessons from Mr. Hale. As a distraction for Mrs Hale and for herself, Margaret visits the Great Exhibition with her Aunt Shaw (Jane Booker), her cousin Edith and Edith's husband. Margaret meets Thornton at the exhibition, where he is discussing the machinery with a group of gentlemen, all of whom are listening with great respect and admiration for his simple good sense. Margaret is embarrassed to meet Thornton so soon after her rejection but defends him when Henry Lennox (John Light), Edith's brother-in-law and an admirer of Margaret, tries to belittle him for being in trade. Henry's sophistication and reliance on fashionable wit and sarcasm compares unfavourably with Thornton's honesty when Margaret sees them together.

When Margaret returns home, her mother has taken a turn for the worse. Margaret's brother arrives just in time to see his mother on her death-bed. While Frederick is in the house, Thornton comes to visit his friend Mr Hale, but he cannot be allowed in, in case he sees Fred. Thornton interprets this as Margaret refusing to see him. The family's servant, Dixon (Pauline Quirke), sees a former member of Frederick's crew in Milton town, and it is decided that Frederick must leave at once, before he is discovered and arrested. He and Margaret are seen together at the railway station by Thornton, who thinks Margaret has a lover.

Thornton gives employment to Higgins after Bessy's death, and master and hand get along surprisingly well, despite their differences. They come up with a plan to feed the workers cheaply in a communal kitchen, and Thornton comes to a greater understanding with his workers as they share ideas. However, because of the strike, Thornton's business is in trouble, and he is forced to close the mill.

Margaret's father dies in Oxford and she leaves the north to stay with relatives in London, but her godfather, Mr Bell, makes over his fortune to her when he finds out that he has a terminal illness and chooses to move to Argentina for the better climate. Margaret becomes the owner of Marlborough Mills and John Thornton's landlord. Thornton, having discovered the truth about Fred from Mr Higgins, goes south to see Margaret's home town, and on the way back meets her returning from a visit to the north. She proposes a business deal by which the factory can be reopened; after this the two share a kiss. Their final love scene takes place on the railway station platform with both going "home" to Milton.


Daniela Denby-Ashe -- Margaret Hale

Richard Armitage -- John Thornton

Tim Pigott-Smith -- Mr Richard Hale

Lesley Manville -- Mrs Maria Hale

Sinéad Cusack -- Mrs Hannah Thornton

Jo Joyner -- Fanny Thornton

Brendan Coyle -- Mr Nicholas Higgins

Anna Maxwell Martin -- Bessy Higgins

Kay Lyon -- Mary Higgins

Pauline Quirke -- Dixon

Rupert Evans -- Frederick Hale

Brian Protheroe -- Mr. Bell

John Light -- Henry Lennox

Emma Ferguson -- Edith Shaw Lennox

Jane Booker -- Aunt Shaw

Will Houston -- John Boucher


A spinning room in the Helmshore Mills Textile Museum.


Sandy Welch started adapting Elizabeth Gaskell's 1855 North and South in 2001, making a few changes to emphasise the industrial landscape of the story. Welch's story, for example, begins and ends with the main character Margaret Hale travelling by train, which is not the starting and ending point of the novel (although Gaskell describes the Hales travelling from the South to the North by train). Welch also made the main characters visit the Great Exhibition of 1851. These are changes Welch believed Gaskell would have done "if she'd had the time", since Gaskell had complained of being under pressure to complete the novel by her editor Charles Dickens.[1] In the summer of 2003 Kate Bartlett was brought to the project as a producer and a ten week period of pre-production started at the beginning of February.


Daniela Denby-Ashe had not originally auditioned for the role of Margaret Hale but for that of Fanny Thornton,[2] and was not sure she would be participating on the project, but the producers had been looking for the right Margaret for a long time and Denby-Ashe's "directness, energy and charm" as well as the chemistry she had with would-be co-star Richard Armitage proved decisive. Armitage himself had been the first actor to read for the role of John Thornton and even though his performance had impressed producer Kate Bartlett and casting director Jill Trevellick, they still had to see many other possible Thorntons.[3] Three weeks after casting had begun, Trevellick decided to recapitulate the first auditions, realising that Armitage was "perfect".[1][4]


A Bluebell Railway carriage, similar to the one used on the final scene

Filming took place from the end of April 2004 until July 2004.[2] Gaskell's fictional town of Milton, Darkshire, was loosely based on Manchester, but the producers decided to shoot many of the town scenes in Edinburgh, which maintains more of its visual and architectural heritage from the industrial Victorian era.[1] Keighley in West Yorkshire became one of the main locations, the cotton mill's exteriors were filmed at Dalton Mill. The scenes inside the mill were shot at Rossendale's Helmshore Textile Museum in Lancashire. London was another main location, all the interior scenes were shot at the Ealing Studios in west London and the Great Exhibition scene was shot at Alexandra Palace in North London.[5] Other locations were Selkirk, a town in the Scottish Borders,[6] Burnley in Lancashire, and the Bluebell Railway in Sussex, where the final and the beginning scenes were shot.[2] Additional railway sequences were filmed in Yorkshire, using carriages provided by the Vintage Carriages Trust

As a costume drama, North & South required substantial work from the art department. In 2005 the serial's production designer Simon Elliot received a British Academy Television Award nomination for Best Production Design.[4]


Martin Phipps composed the score for North & South. The short piano tune is played throughout the whole series in different rhythms. The music is especially loud and clear whenever there is a turning point in the relationship between Margaret and Thornton.[2][5]


Edinburgh's William Street on May 2004 adapted for North & South

As the BBC had low expectations for the series, it was not well publicised and went almost unnoticed by critics. Audiences, however, were more receptive; hours after the first episode aired in November 2004, the message board of the programme's website crashed because of the number of visitors the site was receiving, forcing host bbc.co.uk to shut it down.[7] This sudden interest on the serial was attributed to Richard Armitage, a relatively unknown actor, whose portrayal of the emotionally restrained John Thornton drew parallels with Colin Firth's portrayal of Fitzwilliam Darcy on the BBC's 1995 mini-series Pride and Prejudice, and the reception he later received.[8][9] Armitage himself claims that the series was a success because of the "industrial landscape and the attention [that the series gives] to the working classes and the way they develop".[10] The reaction to the series was a surprise to the BBC, who then decided to release the DVD on 11 April 2005.[9][11]

North & South was voted "Best Drama" in the BBC drama website's annual poll in 2004.[12] Richard Armitage was voted "Most Desirable Drama Star" and "Best Actor",[13][14] Daniela Denby-Ashe was voted "Best Actress" (Sinead Cusack came in third) and three different scenes were voted as the year's "Favourite Moments", with the final scene winning the number one spot.[15][16]


^ Jump up to: a b c Shannon, Sarah (10 November 2004). "Love in a cold climate". The Independent. Retrieved on 23 March 2008

^ Jump up to: a b c d Bartlett, Kate; Percival, Brian and Welch, Sandy. Audio commentary. North and South. Dir. Percival, Brian. Perf. Daniela Denby-Ashe, and Richard Armitage. 2004. DVD. BBC DVD, 2005.

Jump up ^ "Interview with Richard Armitage". Special feature. North and South. Dir. Percival, Brian. Perf. Daniela Denby-Ashe, and Richard Armitage. 2004. DVD. BBC DVD, 2005.

^ Jump up to: a b Staff writer (June 2007). "A Northern Tale". The DVD Collection.

^ Jump up to: a b "Backstage "North and South" - Soundtrack and Location information". BBC.co.uk. Archived from the original on 23 June 2006. Retrieved 23 March 2008.

Jump up ^ BBC Press Office (30 April 2004). "BBC ONE explores love across the social divide in an adaptation of Elizabeth Gaskell's North and South". Press release. Retrieved on 26 April 2008.

Jump up ^ Kinnes, Sally (30 April 2006). "Move over Darcey". The Sunday Times. Retrieved on 23 March 2008

Jump up ^ Hall, Jane (23 December 2004). "Britain's newest heart-throb". Western Mail. Retrieved on 23 March 2008

^ Jump up to: a b Wark, Penny (13 April 2005). "In a swoon over me? Surely not". Times Online. Retrieved on 23 March 2008

Jump up ^ "The Pat Marsh Show" - Interview with Richard Armitage (13 April 2005). BBC Radio Kent.

Jump up ^ Ashworth, Anne (23 December 2004). "A dashing object of desire". The Times. Retrieved on 23 March 2008

Jump up ^ "Best Drama". BBC Drama - Best of 2004. BBC.co.uk. Retrieved 9 May 2008.

Jump up ^ "Most Desirable Drama Star". BBC Drama - Best of 2004. BBC.co.uk. Retrieved 9 May 2008.

Jump up ^ "Best Actor". BBC Drama - Best of 2004. BBC.co.uk. Retrieved 9 May 2008.

Jump up ^ "Best Actress". BBC Drama - Best of 2004. BBC.co.uk. Retrieved 9 May 2008.

Jump up ^ "Favourite Moment". BBC Drama - Best of 2004. BBC.co.uk. Retrieved 9 May 2008.

External links[edit]

Television in the United Kingdom portal

2000s portal

North & South at BBC Online

North & South at the Internet Movie Database

VCT filming: North & South

North and South 2004 (unofficial) site

Categories: BBC television dramasPeriod television series2000s British television series2004 British television programme debuts2004 British television programme endings

-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM

I found an interesting article. It explores why Republicans have been trying to kill Obamacare.

dude, my-2-cents, and coolbreeze feel free to ignore it or to chatter amongst yourselves for a couple of more days about your disrespect for others that disagree with you.

"The historical echo is fitting in the sense that Obamacare has come to fill the place in the conservative psyche once occupied by communism and later by taxes: the main point of doctrinal agreement. (In constituent meetings, "this is the overriding issue that is being discussed," one Republican member of Congress explained late last month. "Way more than immigration, way more than the debt.") The transformation of Obamacare from a close relative of Republicans' own health-care ideas to the locus of evil in modern life is owing to several things, including the almost tautological political fact that its success would be Obama's: Permanent health-care reform would define Obama as a Reaganesque transformative figure, rather than the failure conservatives still hope him to be remembered as."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 3:50 PM

I am interested.

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 1:02 PM

2 Cents

Don't let the guy (guys) get to you. It seems that's all he wants to accomplish. This is obviously one lonely guy (guys).

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 10:30 PM

Sammy, if you are going to continue posting your political crap, you are wasting keystrokes when you start with "for those interested." We aren't interested, we never were interested, just so you know. When we are interested, we actually have the technology to go read up for ourselves instead of having Paul Revere handy to shout it out for us. You may as well save those keystrokes for posting your propaganda, and then logging in as your other user names to reply to your post, and then continuing to banter back and forth with yourself on topics only you and your multiple personalities give a crap about. It makes sense why you use this forum instead of Facebook, the only people that would be forced to listen to your slanted rants would be people who knowingly chose to friend you. That could get too lonely.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 9:26 PM

Relax Breezey, I was only beating Wayne/Sara/Sam to the punch. No, I am not any of those names, I am actually offended you would even consider that. Sorry to have disrupted your air flow bud, won't happen again I can assure you. Have a great day :)

By the way its SMOE, drop the "H"

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 8:57 PM

Good article, Joe. The Tea Party is now turning against even conservative Republicans.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 12:14 PM

Thought I would help out with this one:


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 8:49 AM

Mountain Home News Website Tragedy=

Endless disassociated ramblings from a multi-personality liberal crazy person.

No shootings yet.

Impeach Obama.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 7:37 AM

The Benghazi Tragedy = 4 Americans tragically killed in one of the most dangerous parts of the world. 8+ congressional investigations. Republicans screaming Benghazi at any camera with a red light lit. Republican solution is impeach Obama.

Newtown Shooting = 26 Americans killed in one of the safest parts of the world. 2 congressional investigation? Republicans screaming 2nd Amendment at any camera with a red light lit. Republican solution is more guns in schools and impeach Obama for something; anything.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 7:24 AM

For those interested, Congress passed a clean debt ceiling bill today and it is expected that the president will sign it.

The significant thing IMO is the Republicans voted (including McConnell) against filibustering the bill and allowed it to win by a simple majority. (The Republicans voted against the bill.) I think that this was a vote against dirty tactics. It stopped Cruz's attempt to filibuster the bill preventing a vote.

I also think that moderate Republicans want to do better in the upcoming elections and realize that it's okay to disagree on bills but stopping a vote on a bill by a minority is not what our forefathers intended and a lot of Americans agree.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 12, 2014, at 6:34 PM

Did the math again. About 20% over.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Feb 12, 2014, at 4:57 PM

This isn't the Shifty Fifty, they are all but gone. This is about including money in your budget, while knowing you will most likely never receive it.(Fed. Money) They are running about 10% over real money coming in, and refuse to make any worth while business decisions (cuts)

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Feb 12, 2014, at 4:55 PM

If it is voted in for too long---it stays. I am sure that is what the MHSD/MHSD Board hopes for.

And let us not forget the MHSD Board declared an "emergency" and took us for a ride for over $400,000 in 2013 in addition to this Levy.

Did they reduce what they want by that amount? No. Take-take-take. And now "we" are also in the daycare business. Priceless! The Shifty Fifty in action.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Wed, Feb 12, 2014, at 4:46 PM

Then 2017 Then 2018 Then 2019 Then 2020

Hopefully by 20/20 everyone will have their eyes open and see things need to change.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Feb 12, 2014, at 4:31 PM

I hope that people will turn out to vote on this and demand that the Mountain Home School District start living within their means and not off of "temporary" or "Supplemental" monies. This is a local matter and not nearly as exciting as Michelle Obama writing some book---but certainly demonstrates yet another hand in your pocket and food being pulled from your table.


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-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Wed, Feb 12, 2014, at 4:00 PM

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-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Wed, Feb 12, 2014, at 1:53 PM

Sara-Connor, that article pretty much sums up what I read yesterday. Mychal Massie is an EXTREME conservative and it does look like he is ready to throw Boehner and other mainstream Republican under the bridge in favor of "true conservatives" which I think is other extreme, Tea Party like, conservatives.

I wonder what effect that will have on the next elections?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Feb 12, 2014, at 10:35 AM

Finally some Republicans have a good plan. Split the party into two organizations. What do you Boys think?


See you at marching practice Boys. Are bright floral flour sack and flowers in our hair proper clothing?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Feb 12, 2014, at 7:29 AM

That's a lot of comments. Are you exagerating or is this over a 50 year time period? My suggestion is to post what you want, read what you want, and if you don't like something respectfully comment on that if you want and leave personal comments out. Just a suggestion for peace on the MHN blog.

-- Posted by Geordey on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 10:27 PM

Well Geordy, unfortunately what you want and what you will receive are entirely different. Enter 1 local comment, and he/she/they (all one person) will flood you with 50 political tirades/diatribes/agendas. Enter another local topic, and you get flooded with 100 political rants. Enter another local comment, and you get 150. Finally people quit entering comments (because it is practically impossible to sift through all of the crap to actually find the local stuff) and then all you are left with is he/she/they (all one person) essentially posting on his/her/their own personal blog. It is like drinking from a fire hose, but also being underwater while trying to drink. In case you haven't picked up on it yet, all of Mountain Home is sick and tired of reading his/her/their (one person) political rants and slanted view of how "broken" the best country in the world is. We have already determined that he/she/they is retired... So they should leave the States and be happy in their golden years. Or continue down the same path to cement their legacy as the local political wacko

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 9:14 PM

I like hearing about local events and I appreciate a respectful discussion of national politics. Why would it be a problem to comment on either or both RESPECTFULLY?

-- Posted by Geordey on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 8:37 PM

Ah yes.... The multiple personalities of our local political freak once again showing his/her/their (one person) wisdom. If you don't want to read it, go to another site. Fool. That is like saying if you don't want to smell a dairy farm in Jerome, don't breathe. People come to THIS site because they want to read about what is going on in Mountain Home, or news about local events and happenings. They don't come to this site hoping to read about some whacked out nut job babbling on about conspiracy theories and crap that only he/she/them (again, one genius of a person) are interested in. By the way, I assume that I did nail your age bracket (and all those tell tale signs associated) right? Figuring out your true identity should be even easier. Everywhere you go, you must leave a trail of people rolling their eyes, sighing heavily, or pointing and giggling about what that idiot did/said once again. Don't forget to record your bowel movements in your log tonight.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 7:46 PM

The only hope for Sammy and Sara is that the Washington Post write an article that is actually truthful and worth while. Seems like they get most of their info to live by from Eastern publications, but live in the West. Letters to the editor from you guys (or just you) to the Washington Post might be greatly appreciated. A nice alternative for you rather than posting nonsense here. Those Eastern folks can more greatly appreciate your babbling.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 7:02 PM

I agree with WinterStorm. If you don't like, don't read it.

More on the news in Congress. It appears that as we approach the debt limit deadline, Boehner says that he is going to allow a "clean" debt limit increase vote tonight and now the Tea Party wants Republicans to kick him out of his job as Majority Leader.

From what I'm reading it appears that main stream Republicans are coming to the realization that they can't deal with the Tea Party. It's just counter productive.

For those interested there is more information on this in the following link.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 3:34 PM

If you don't like to read the political comments, you can chose not to read them, or go to another site to read whatever it is you like to read. Easy Peasy!

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 3:01 PM

Oddly enough you could ask the same of Sara but decide other wise.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 2:14 PM

Joe when you speak for "people" who are they and when did they elect you the spokesman? Please let everyone know because then maybe they'd like to be a spokesman too. I know CoolBreeze might be hoping for your job.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 1:01 PM

It could also mean people are just plain tired of all the political vomit. There is more to this country than your agenda alone. Neither political affiliation is better than the other. They are ALL in it for themselves. Get over it, move on, people are tired of hearing/reading it. Is that plain enough English for any of you to understand?

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 12:22 PM

I have the theory that when SOME people don't have good logical arguments against something that they don't like, they try to divert the topic.

That's why one of them is focused on guessing your age and they are calling us both Wayne.

Another possible explanation is that they may have ADD so we should try to get them help or at least their friends should. It's a pity.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 12:06 PM

2- cents,

I have to tend to agree with you concerning Sara's age. That would place her younger years in the 1960's. That might explain it. Love those bright floral flour sacks they wore then, and the flowers in their hair were nice too. May have over indulged some though.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 7:59 AM

Sam_1776; thought we agreed sara-connor was going to be Wayne this week. You're making it hard to keep up the Wayne and Company persona.

See ya at the 60 year old + marching practice Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 7:38 AM

The news in the world of politics is that Congress controlled by the Republicans in the House because they have the majority and controlled by the Republicans in the Senate because they can prevent a vote on a bill, has decided that they aren't going to do anything until after the next election.

There was an interesting article in the Washington Post about that.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 7:29 AM

Yes they are. Senior night this Friday vs Columbia at the High School. JV around 6:00 and Varsity follows. Should be a good one.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Feb 10, 2014, at 8:40 PM

How about our Mountain Home wrestling squad? They seem to be killing it this year, 16 and 2 record, highly ranked (and probable) state champion wrestlers. That is awesome to see.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Mon, Feb 10, 2014, at 8:34 PM

Sam... Sara.... And the rest of your multiple personalities... Let me see how close I come here. I am going to say that you must be over 60 years old at this stage. Why? Because once a person lands north of 60, they are more prone to rambling on about politics... What they just saw on Fox News... Their latest medical ailments... Or the stocks ticker. Anyone less than 60 doesn't want to hear about your views on Republicans/Democrats, that the East coast just got 18 inches of snow, that you now have shingles, or that Microsoft is trading at $37 today. If you are family, we are the only ones still obligated to let you ramble on since you brought us into the world and raised us (but only ramble on to family, so you don't embarrass them in front of others). If you are not family, then you should have learned long ago that NOBODY wants to hear a peep out of you as far as any of those "family" topics go. Besides, you don't want to waste all of your good stuff on us, what would you be able to talk about at Thanksgiving?

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Mon, Feb 10, 2014, at 8:25 PM


Again "we're". Your kind of spooky. What I would imagine talking to the dead would be like. Creepy.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Feb 10, 2014, at 4:51 PM

CoolBreeze83647; we're glad you're back. Forever isn't as long for the typical conservative, Republican as it is for the average person. It was just 3 months ago you promised you had made your last post forever on this webpage. Now you're back with your all seeing magic, sowing the seeds of misinformation, fear and the great conservative, Republican way. See you at marching practice Boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Feb 10, 2014, at 4:42 PM

Answers my question.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Feb 10, 2014, at 1:05 PM


I like it. But one question, who's "we decided"??

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Feb 10, 2014, at 7:31 AM

Our local Republican webpage posse has suggested we change our posts to something more local. We decided to accommodate their request with this comment. Republicans want to lower minimum wage to zero $. Did we realize Idaho has the highest percentage of minimum wage workers in the nation?

What is it about the Idaho Republicans that they want their neighbors to work for low wages, do without health insurance and place no value in our education system. Facts like this must make all Republicans in Idaho proud.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Feb 10, 2014, at 7:03 AM

Why is it always black?

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Feb 10, 2014, at 6:19 AM

"Nothing is weaker than rambling on like a victim that has no control. A bunch of arm chair quarterbacks. How about doing us all a favor, and the small handful of political experts could exchange email addresses (or texts) and then rant until your hearts are content between each other? That might not work though, you couldn't hide behind a username."

.02,,,kinda calling your own kettle black, eh?

-- Posted by MrMister on Sun, Feb 9, 2014, at 10:30 PM

Sammy, did you really suggest that dude should go find someone to explain political posts? Doesn't that imply that he actually wants to know what the "political parties" are yammering on about? Trust me, if we knew who we needed to go talk to for further explanations.... That person would be one very lonely.... Lonely.... Advisor.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Sun, Feb 9, 2014, at 8:05 PM


I said average person. The ones that read these posts. The ones that care about our community.

At least try keeping it somewhat interesting and relevant. Community issues are always fun and hit most of us closer to home.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sun, Feb 9, 2014, at 6:06 PM

dudewheremycar, speaking of whining, if you don't understand Sara's posts then get someone to explain them to you.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Feb 9, 2014, at 5:31 PM

Barking mad.... Do tell... I must have missed that little nugget of news. Did our boys in blue jump out of their car and race alongside it after a bad guy?

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Sun, Feb 9, 2014, at 12:13 AM

Note to MHPD. When in hot pursuit of potential elderly bank robbers who are driving the wrong way on a one-way street, always put your cruiser in park and set the parking brake before leaping out to apprehend the villains. Keystone Cops.

-- Posted by barkingmad on Sat, Feb 8, 2014, at 5:59 PM

Good thing a Winter Weather Advisory was posted for snow accumulation of up to 9"--I was more than prepared to shovel that 1 1/2 inches snow from my driveway today.

-- Posted by MrMister on Sat, Feb 8, 2014, at 4:09 PM


The whinny political posts are already too wacky for the average person to understand. Try saying what you mean, and mean what you say. It would make it easier to make heads or tails out of your non-sense.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Feb 8, 2014, at 11:25 AM

More irony... our men and women in the service fighting for each of us, for our country, for our freedoms... and the very people they put it on the line for are ungrateful and insist that what we have isn't good enough.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Sat, Feb 8, 2014, at 9:25 AM

We don't think the Republican message is being heard loud enough nor clear enough so we'll help that cause. Good and devote Republicans believe Legos is out to destroy capitalism, the Student Non-Discrimination Act will require pedophilia in all public schools, Obama is the Antichrist, and FEMA Internment Camps will be making a comeback in 2014.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Feb 8, 2014, at 7:13 AM

2 cent,

What's REALLY scary is that they may be in office.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Feb 7, 2014, at 9:27 PM

Irony; Republicans screaming about freedom.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Feb 7, 2014, at 8:38 PM

Politics, politics, politics. I check back in on the message board every few weeks, and shocking.... We still have the same fools rambling on and on and on about politics. All of those genius' seem to have the answer on what is wrong with this country, but apparently none of them are confident enough in their fixes to actually shut up and go run for an office. If this country is so screwed up and you are so frustrated because the "wrong people" keep getting elected and making poor decisions (in your opinions anyway), you could always move somewhere (anywhere, please) overseas or across the border. If something is broken, then go fix it or shut up and live with it. I guess their parents never taught them that the biggest turnoff in the world is to start rambling on about politics or religion, let alone talk about it for months on end. Nothing is weaker than rambling on like a victim that has no control. A bunch of arm chair quarterbacks. How about doing us all a favor, and the small handful of political experts could exchange email addresses (or texts) and then rant until your hearts are content between each other? That might not work though, you couldn't hide behind a username. Haven't you picked up on the fact that the hundreds of other people on this site couldn't care less about any of your posts... Yet you monopolize the board to "show how smart" you are?

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Fri, Feb 7, 2014, at 8:05 PM

If this happens, it wiil be the end of our economy.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Feb 7, 2014, at 1:16 PM


Have you read your posts??

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Feb 7, 2014, at 10:28 AM

dude and McCallum, it's my understanding that any topic is okay so I'm not making negative comments about your posts so how about showing others the same respect?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Feb 7, 2014, at 7:27 AM



-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Feb 7, 2014, at 5:00 AM

How much more money are the city officials going to spend on building another Industrial park. We already have 2 areas that they can't fill. Enough is enough , spend the money on the falling apart paths we call roads instead. They couldn't get anybody in the 2 we have already . Wake up mayor and city council. This new industrial area is only going to help the hay place , that choose to build where he did. Let him pay for his own improvements. I guess he must part of the Shifty fifty .

-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Thu, Feb 6, 2014, at 6:25 PM


It's obvious that those continuously discussing politics in this forum do not care that their topic has become tedious and extremely annoying. I have seen a number of people ask them to find another topic but they ignore these requests and continue with their conversations. Having an ignore button to make them disappear would be a welcome option.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Thu, Feb 6, 2014, at 1:57 PM

How about that WECRD! They have 2 more years of tax dollars in "their" account which is nearly a million dollars more but still claim to need just $600,000.00 more before they can start to build. How exactly does that work? Then this paper reports that they are still delayed in doing anything but have hired someone to design a building---but they still do not know with 100% certainty what will be in "their" building. We have spent tens of thousands of dollars in years gone by on designs that never would be. Why not wait---try to raise the 600K you folks claim to need, decide what will be in the building and then pay someone to design it. Be fiscally responsible. You (the WECRD Board) have wasted far toooooooo much already.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Feb 6, 2014, at 10:21 AM

Too bad we still don't have that public television channel I think it was channel 8. We could have a political "means absolutely nothing" forum. No wonder nothing gets done in Washington. Go write a book.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Feb 6, 2014, at 9:16 AM

Welcome to the all new Sam and Sarah comedy hour for 2014. Starting this week the annual babble contest begins. Come one, come all for a fun filled babble session sure to last another year. If you speak, hear and say no sense, this is sure to please. Have a good time all.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Feb 6, 2014, at 8:22 AM

Sara-Connor that is an interesting ticket, one sure to not stand a chance. But as a tongue-in-cheek suggestion it is hilarious.

I was thinking Governor Christie had a chance until the bridge thing. Maybe the ticket will involve someone in Congress that can get people to compromise on a budget?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Feb 6, 2014, at 8:09 AM

For sure. You guys should just get together weekly and form a club or something.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Feb 5, 2014, at 7:12 PM

The mountain home news minus will shut this down ,it the same five people on here talking about politics instead of local matters . So shut up.

-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Wed, Feb 5, 2014, at 5:24 PM

Might as well jump in,


-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Feb 5, 2014, at 3:30 PM

Here we go again.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Feb 5, 2014, at 7:43 AM

Sam_1776; we think Mr Bradbury's Republican Presidential nominee dream team of Sara Palin and Herman Cain would be a great. We can only hope the conservatives charge full ahead with this couple in 2016.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Jan 31, 2014, at 2:34 PM

Bradbury shows his disrespect for Hillary Clinton. and women in general, by referring to her always as "Hillary". It's subtle for him, but still very obvious.

I wonder if he can name a Republican candidate for president that we should continue. I'll bet he provides a last name because it surely won't be a woman.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Jan 31, 2014, at 11:57 AM

Well Sherlock, looks like you win. Have a good day.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Fri, Jan 31, 2014, at 11:17 AM

A good start would be to consider what Nampa district is going to do with some of their money if their levy passes. Pay for an independent financial audit. They are doing this to assure the tax payers that their money is being spent wisely.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jan 30, 2014, at 5:06 PM

I am all for doing what is best for the "children", as I am a grandmother with grandchildren attending school, but when is enough enough! The dire state of the school system is always in the news, we are continuously forced to listen to how the students are going without quality learning because there is not enough money, how there are too many students per class, or how teachers do not have the materials required to teach and have to purchase these materials out of pocket. But on the other hand students are dropping out in record numbers or more are attending alternative schools or home schooling.

The price the public must pay to support the school system is becoming a burden, the taxes needed to cover bonds for monies needed for all the different requests by the schools are affecting many home owners who are already struggling to keep their homes. Personally I am extremely weary of hearing about the "needs of the children" when I believe it really isn't about the children but about the adults managing and working in the profession. I am becoming numb to hearing about the needs and losing the compassion I once had on the subject. I think it's time for some tightening of the belts beginning at the very top of the ladder.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Thu, Jan 30, 2014, at 3:18 PM

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE No more politics.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jan 30, 2014, at 7:08 AM

We're back because he's back in a letter to the editor. Our favorite Republican Mr. Bradbury is sowing the seeds of misinformation and fear. So blinded are the Republicans they don't remember Hillary Clinton was a US Senator and Secretary of State as well as a 2 term First Lady. All the conservatives see is "a woman" and they get all funny in the stomach and feel the need to take her shoes away while shoving a frying pan in her hand. And these same Republicans wonder why an inexperienced first term Democrat Senator from Illinois beat out their best and brightest.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Jan 29, 2014, at 9:04 PM

All these late openings/closures but yet your local McDonalds with their minimum wage workers are there on time to serve.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Jan 29, 2014, at 7:54 AM

NITC, I apologize if my attempt to bring a little humor to our community banter box escaped your mental purview. It seems at least one respondent realized I was spinning a yarn for pure enjoyment, so I consider my comments a success (thanks dudewheresmycar). Personally, I would never send my child to a daycare where the literary classics are a stranger, nor would I place my children in the charge of someone who cannot detect sarcasm. Come on now, you really thought I was serious. You are sillier than I could have ever imagined in my wildest fantasies. I guess I should not be overly surprised when 50% of American adults cannot read at the 8th grade level. Sherlock Holmes may have been just a little bit too mature of reading material for you NITC. Next time, shall I write in the style of the Dick and Jane books? I will if it would help you understand the jokes? NITC your lack of a sense of humor makes the situation even funnier. It is no wonder you failed at becoming a teacher and settled for the role of daycare worker. A sense of humor is essential to reaching students and dealing with classroom disruptions--classroom management 101. Oh yeah, I almost forgot you went to BSU, so never mind you would not understand basic teaching methods.

-- Posted by A Contrario on Tue, Jan 28, 2014, at 4:43 PM

To answer your question OpinionMissy, Yes I did and so did Diva. Why? Are you wondering if all our comments that we made were just because we wanted to be an anonymous and not do anything? Well we are trying to do something and we have a meeting with the chairman of the school board and the superintendent to discuss all the concerns that we have regarding this daycare in the school...So more to come...but thanks for asking.

-- Posted by robinhood1 on Mon, Jan 27, 2014, at 1:34 PM

Did any daycare providers/owners go to the last MHSD Board Meeting? Diva, NITC? Thanks.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Fri, Jan 24, 2014, at 11:25 AM

I'm curious about the home page and the "Local Sports" section of the page. I constantly see news about the Seattle Mariners in the local section. Although Seattle is probably the closest city to us with a major sports venue I really don't think it should fall in the "local" category. While I bring this up, how is it that the Seattle Mariners are "local", yet the Seattle Seahawks (going to the Super Bowl) are not? It's not even baseball season and the Mariners are taking all three lines in the "local" section. Do we really not have better "local" sports news than that?

-- Posted by Ramjett on Thu, Jan 23, 2014, at 1:40 PM

Honest Abe, you must have just skimmed over my replies. It is very ironic that you mention that we daycare owners were not at the school board meeting where this was approved and lucky for the school board so they could get it approved.... In a previous reply I mentioned that Bonnie, the lady who answers the phones at the district office, told me that this issue was not on the agenda for that meeting. I took her for her word, and believed her. But guess what? The daycare WAS in fact on the agenda and it did in fact get approved for BMHS to move forward. Now, is there any wonder why they did not tell me it was on the agenda, especially when I told her who I was.

I am not suprised at this but yet you act suprised when I say that I was not interested in pursuing a career where this is the type of untruthfulness that I would have to endure if I chose to teach here. In fact, if one does not agree with this school district, it is virtually impossible to be a part of the solution.

I'm sorry if you don't understand that, but plenty in this town do. I still wanted to make a difference in children's lives, and believe me, we do. The girls at my daycare love our kids genuinely. They take them home with them when there are base excercises, they take care of them on weekends, the parents are very happy entrusting these children to us every single day. We go through extensive on going training all year long to maintain our license. We(employees and myself) are always taking certified and required classes to learn more and more about the children we care for. I am not sure you are very informed as to what being a daycare provider entails, but I bet it would surprise you if you actually knew.

You state that you have met few daycare owners who are in it to help the children and we are just in it for the cash. You must be joking! That tells me that you have not actually met too many daycare owners OR employees. I have, however, and few that I know are getting rich.

You are wrong when you state that this proposed daycare isn't for the kids who already have childcare under control. I have done my homework, have you?

Yes, it is for those kids. Some are at daycares in town now, and if this daycare opens up, those babies will be at the school daycare. The only new babies they are going to get are the babies who have been conceived but not yet born, and those mothers are still in school as well.

I am sure by your choice of words, you are near and dear to the School Board President, so maybe,just maybe HE is the one being fed misinformation, mabye the entire school board has been misinformed all along. Is that not a possibility? And you can bet that there will be daycare owners and daycare workers at the meeting tomorrow night. Hope to see you there!

-- Posted by NotInTheClick on Mon, Jan 20, 2014, at 3:59 PM

NITC, is your daycare currently taking new children. I am aware that there are 2 daycares close to the BMHS, both of which my child went to and did not like...

I understand your apprehension at the daycare in the school. I get small businesses and the support they need from the community. The hard work that goes into keeping the doors open and customers satisfied. It is a 24 hour job for any business owner. Usually they eat and sleep their business and very rarely do they ever acknowledge any problems within it's door, no matter how blatantly obvious it is to the customers. And if a customer complains the business just blows it off as one customer who doesn't matter, when in reality if one person sees it, chances are many others do or have as well.

The big positive thing I see is that a daycare in school teaches kids how to be parents. They are not only taking their kids with them (some do have separation anxiety) they are being monitored for their parental abilities. If they need help, they'll be able to get it. Yes, I understand, that you don't like the school going into 'business'. What do you say about the booth memorial school, do you have a bunch of crap to throw at that success story or is it ok because it's not in direct competition. I don't understand your hatred for this idea.

I was at the meeting, the fact was stated that if the school were to add a daycare than there would be more students able to attend. The other thing that was stated by caring teachers who didn't quit the school district because they didn't like what was going on, but rather chose to stay in the district to become a part of the solution instead of walking away from the problem.... was that some of the students are not on assistance, they were relying on family for their daycare and their family was unreliable.

I think it is great that one of the comments was about a woman who paid daycare for her grandchild while her child went back to school.. the fact remains that not all come from a supportive household. Some have to rely on strangers, friends or only themselves. If life was so great at home, and family was completely supportive perhaps there wouldn't of been a teen pregnancy to begin with. Not that every teenager who gets pregnant does it to escape a horrible home life, or gets pregnant intentionally (that was more during the 70's when there were no laws to protect children) yet, many teens who do get pregnant don't come from great homes anyway. It's a fact of our community. We have bars filled Friday and Saturday night and chruches filled Sunday. A Youth Center that doesn't cater to children that need a place, by being closed on Sunday and days there is no school they are really only open a few select kids... and yet your tax dollars pay for that. From power, free building, and grants for the food that they charge kids for.

If you want to be mad someone is doing something for the kids in the community... be mad at yourself for leaving a school district that may have changed if you stayed to stick up for the kids. Be mad at yourself for not going to the school board meeting (although I am grateful people like you weren't there and the plans were approved).

In the 90's I knew a few people who were getting checks from the state for watching their grandkids.. that's right, getting paid for their own grandchildren. And you tell me that the school doesn't deserve that money instead. These kids aren't getting assistance now, and the daycare isn't for the kids who have childcare already under control. It is for the kids that are at home right now, and would go to school if Mtn. Home had a school like Booth.

I feel sorry for the kids you care for, you think the truth is a pull on the heart strings, you look at things from only your perspective, and you don't think you could of misinterpreted the facts. That makes for a lousy daycare worker. Babies deserve reasonable understanding, kindness, love and the chance to be right even when you think it's wrong. There are kids who are so smart they prove adults wrong, and when they are loved and encouraged they can blossom into the most amazing little person you've ever seen. When they are told it is impossible that they know what they shouldn't and their parents are told their kids are liars when daycare workers are confronted with a story by a child that child becomes an angry little adult. And it all comes back to the adults they were in contact with as a child. You have an amazing opportunity with little lives in your hands, yet I have found few daycare workers or owners who still have the love for children that once fueled their desire for daycare, unless they are like the grandmother that wants money from the state for caring for the child... only interested in the cash and the childs welfare comes second, or third.

You could of been part of the solution, and you chose to leave and open a daycare... now your complaining about how things are ran and yet your to busy to attend the meetings where you could of expressed your concern before this all happened. Shame on you. I've been to places double the size of Mtn. Home where everyone got along, no one went hungry and everyone worked together to make sure all needs were met... to not take an opportunity to make this the best place in the nation to raise a child is stupid. The teachers at BMHS need to be thanked for their commitment to the kids they saw suffer in traditional school (that hasn't changed since the 50's although the world around is not even close to the same). We have an awesome President of the School Board, if it was up to just him... we would be the best place in the nation to raise a child.. it's people like you that keep the community and money spent on children taboo. Shame.

-- Posted by honestabe2 on Mon, Jan 20, 2014, at 2:08 PM


All women are into losing pounds. We're in the U.S. You better be paying Watson in dollars.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Mon, Jan 20, 2014, at 9:50 AM

Contrario, although you seemed to try to analyze me you have failed to get it correctly. I was never a teenage mother, nor am I jealous of the benefits that these teenage mothers 'may' receive (this is not set in stone just yet) Nor am I angry about my past. As a matter of fact, yes I do own a daycare center in town, and although I am not worried about BMHS hurting my business, as a taxpayer I know it is not right. Something you did not 'get' in your deep analyzation into my articles, is that I am also a teacher. I went through my schooling in a Master's of Education program at Boise State, and did my 3 semesters of student teaching at MHHS. During that year and a half of being involved at the high school I realized immediately that this school district and I would not get along. When something is not right, I am not one to sit back and say nothing, therefor, I am "Not in the Click" nor do I wish to be. What I wish for is that more people would remove themselves from this "click" and stand up for what is right. Nothing will ever change until more people have the courage to do so. I chose to use my education training to help children in a different way and I am very proud of what we have created at my Daycare/Preschool. A few babies at the BMHS is not going to put any of us out of business, however, none of us truly believe that this is the real intent of this planned daycare. When something is not right, I feel an obligation to stand up and inform others.

The one and only one thing about me that you did get right was that I am angry. I am angry that in this town the School District acts as they are the government. They do what they want and they do not have to answer to the people of this town. They lie and make fools of all of us. They use our children to fight for their causes, whether the parents agree or disagree. And God forbid if our children go in to their classrooms and speak their minds if it is not in agreement with the school.

Now by "lie" I am also meaning that they hide the truth. They hide plenty of 'truth$'.

Bottom line is they are using this daycare to receive state and federal aid to keep funding their 'in the deep dark red' budget. If they would at least just admit that fact, most of us would not have a problem with it. They are playing on people's heartstrings claiming it is for these poor helpless teenage moms so they can finish high school. We are trying to inform the public by saying that there are lots of options for these girls to accomplish the same thing, and get their daycare at the same $40 per month cost as BMHS is wanting to offer them, WITHOUT costing the tax payers anymore money.

Oh and one more thing, Contrario, I am also trying to set a good example for my children in that if you believe something is wrong, you educate yourself on the matter and then speak out. You stand up for your beliefs and you fight for what is right.

-- Posted by NotInTheClick on Mon, Jan 20, 2014, at 7:52 AM

I have to relate NITC; your comments as of late have caught my attention. I usually just read the nonsense for a jolly laugh, but your impassioned cries for sanity have struck a chord with me. It seemed from the outset that you had some vested interest in the establishment of a daycare at BMHS. The Sherlock Holmes in me pondered just what your stake might be in this matter.

After much meditative thought on your most recent correspondence, I must relate the following opinion. In my observations of your writings, I have formed the strangest supposition that you, yourself NITC, are guilty of one, two, or all three, of the subsequent. I first supposed you to be a former teen mother--angry because the world left you and your illegitimate children cold and downtrodden upon American Legion Ave in a time long now passed. This suspicion soon gave way to the thought you might indeed be the mother of a teen mother--beset with that green-eyed monster that is jealousy--covetous...that your little darling was not going to receive all that they were due from the grace of Uncle Sam.

Angry about your own sorted past...definitely! Jealous of the entitlements granted to a bunch of insufferable street rats from the bowels of Sewer Flats...most certainly!

Nevertheless, did these long held disappointments, resentments, and hatreds give you le motif to write so invectively towards your adversaries in the school board? I now, think not.

Upon reviewing your latest concoction, I now apprehend your true intentions. The answer is quite elementary and I should have deduced your motives all along. Your true intent in deriding the daycare at BMHS has to do with the pounds you stand to lose if such a business were to exist. I would make the bet with any plunger in White Chapel that you, madam, own and/or operate a daycare in the near vicinity of BMHS. I would also venture that you stand to lose a pretty penny if customers no longer find their way into your parlor. I also suspect you are livid that you were not in on the cut as it were. You used the word click in your moniker, which betrays your true purpose. NITC is it probable and possible that you are slighted because you did not receive a share of that sweet tragedy money from BMHS. I can only relate that among all the deductions the great book has observed the passage found in 1 Timothy 6:10 holds the greatest pearl of wisdom for someone of your upstanding morale character.

A very good day to you NITC

-- Posted by A Contrario on Fri, Jan 17, 2014, at 9:02 PM

Wow! ALL the daycares in town SUCK? That is a pretty bold statement Mr Stop Corruption. Do you have any facts to back up your ignorant statement? Any comparisons? Anything intelligent to say at all? That's like saying All the car dealerships in Mountain home SUCK or ALL the Landscapers in town SUCK, or ALL the PEOPLE in Mountain Home SUCK! Shame on you. It would be great to hear from some of the parents who actually have their children in the daycares in Mountain Home, because there are a few hundred parents at least, who might not agree with that statement. If I could send my daycare kids out into the community to beg for money the way the school district sent these teen moms out maybe I could get a new roof! I would love to be able to run my business off of donations just like BMHS is supposedly doing. I hardly think they are opening a daycare inside the alternative high school because all of the other daycares SUCK. What makes you or ANYONE for that matter think that the school district is worried in the least about the quality of daycares in this town? Don't they themselves have children in daycares, as well as many many teachers too? We have many teacher's children at our daycare center. If it's so awful out there, why isn't the school district worried about their teacher's kids too? There are in fact administrators who have their children at daycares, private and public. So that theory just doesn't hold water now does it?

-- Posted by NotInTheClick on Thu, Jan 16, 2014, at 1:31 PM

Stopcorrupt you seem angry. Eveyone has an opinion, and we can learn a lot from other peoples opinions. The more ways we can look at an issue the better everyone is. I too am a parent that is concerned for the welfare of my children. I too have a daughter that had a child at a young age. She is doing extremely well now. She also needed to go to school. We chose an option that has not been mentioned on any of these sites. I paid for the day care while my daughter was in school as well as other costs associated with here being in school. It called taking responsibility for YOUR family. That's how things used to be handled. OLD SCHOOL.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Jan 16, 2014, at 7:48 AM

The editor of this newspaper is an Idiot. Doesn't he realize that the people he called idiots are the same ones that keep the newspaper in business whether as an advertiser who is paying to put ads in the paper or as a reader who is paying to purchase a subscription, or even the ones who don't buy a subscription but just frequent the website.

They make money by all of that which in turn gives him a paycheck to write all of his ridiculously stupid thoughts and rants.

I will say that I don't have any thoughts one way or the other about BMHS and its new daycare facility. But I don't believe Kelly did them any favors by writing that rant.

Has anyone thought that maybe the daycare facility at BMHS is needed because the other daycare centers in town suck?

These teen parents deserve a second shot, if it was one of your children that was in their position you would be jumping up and down hollering that it was so unfair and that the school district didn't care about the children, etc.

Would you rather these teen parents become a burden on society by living off welfare for the rest of their lives because they couldn't get an education or get that second chance?

Oh that's right, you would be complaining either way. Go back into your hole until you want to complain about the next thing that doesn't benefit you.

-- Posted by stopcorrupt87 on Wed, Jan 15, 2014, at 12:41 PM

HonestAbe2 that all sounds good and most people may buy the bleeding heart stance. When we get back to basics, no one can tell us who these kids are who are sitting home unable to get their babies to a daycare because they have no transportation and no where to take them. The kids right now high school age with babies are all IN BMHS and their babies are all SOMEWHERE, this is what is so frustrating! These babies are at daycares, they are with grandparents, and there is no real need for a daycare inside their high school building. These mothers are making it to their daycare and to school on time, and the amount that they are paying will not change one penny because it is a state program, it is not something that the school district is offering exclusively to these girls. It is simply a convenience that the school district is trying to offer, which in turn brings in more federal and state money which they so desperately need! We are not saving anybody's life and education by putting a daycare inside BMHS. It is going to cost the school district, then in turn, the taxpayers money, there's just no way a daycare can run on donations. It is not needed, this long 'walk' you are referring to, in the case of three particular daycares, is a mere feet away from the entrance to BMHS. We are just offering these girls a convenience, a convenience that the rest of the world does not have, nor is it necessary and it comes at a great expense. There is nothing a daycare inside that building can provide them that the daycares outside and close by could not offer these same moms and babies. I am also ashamed of the editor of this paper, so biased. Too bad we don't have a newspaper that just reports the facts, and lets both sides be heard in the articles that it publishes.

-- Posted by NotInTheClick on Wed, Jan 15, 2014, at 10:02 AM

Oh, and Mountain Home was never mentioned.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Jan 15, 2014, at 7:44 AM

KTVB was reporting on some school districts levies that are pending. Interesting to hear that Nampa district will be paying for an independent financial audit with some of the proceeds from the levy. They want to assure the voters that all is above board, and their money is being managed properly. What a concept.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Wed, Jan 15, 2014, at 7:42 AM


How much did the School Board and District pay you to submit your letter?

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Tue, Jan 14, 2014, at 8:40 PM

Let me explain, to get to WORK on time these working-parents would have to get up extra early and walk their children to daycare, walk to WORK, walk back to the daycare, and back home. Is it fair?? My mom did.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Tue, Jan 14, 2014, at 3:43 PM

I should be able to believe all the comments made about BMHS and the daycare, considering all the people in this town that talk as though something they heard from someone else is fact... still, I guess I just had hopes of a society that would check facts first. There was an open meeting at the school admin office to discuss the topic. I have felt that the town makes many decisions behind "closed doors" until I started attending the city counsel, and MHSD meetings. If you don't get involved you don't know. And that is what the lot of you showed with your comments.

I understand that some daycare businesses might not understand why the school would be "going into business" as a daycare/ What that tells me is you and your family have not faced many hardships and I am happy for you. Let me explain, to get to school on time these student-parents would have to get up extra early and walk their children to daycare, walk to school, walk back to the daycare, and back home. Although that sounds like an option, is it really fair to ask a toddler or newborn to suffer the elements of MH because their parent is trying to get an education. The point of the daycare is so the kids who don't want to be without their children will still go to school. Some of these kids had a hard time in the public school and they are finally able to get the education that no child left behind (or every child left behind) strives for. They are in a school that they feel safe, comfortable, and take pride in. They are now sharing their new found sense of adulthood with their children. I think that in itself is priceless and we should be proud as a community that even if we didn't know there was a need we have great people who saw the benefit and took action to make it happen. There is not going to be an increase in the school bond because of the daycare. These student-parents are very proud of themselves and are doing much of the work on their own. Not just for them, but for future generations as well. We should be proud of these kids for maybe steering the wrong way for a while, but coming back and getting their life, and the life they are responsible for back on track.

I am so frustrated writing this letter... it is not my best piece at all. I can't believe all the people who had time to make comments, but didn't have the time to go to the school board meeting, or ever step up for the kids in this community and do something to try to make it better for them. It is just gross. We have such a small town here, it can honestly be the best place in the nation to raise a child, if you would let it be.

If you are worried about dollars and cents going to education to fund a daycare, or you are concerned that the school board lied to you about the levy and are including this daycare to be funded by that money may I suggest something for you: get involved in the WECRD. They have over a million of your tax dollars and benefit very little except the few women who run that board with very few people attending their meetings. Their elections were.... sided, and no one seemed to care about what they were doing with the huge amount of money these women were not at all competent to care for. Until someone told them, and not the bank, they had all of your money in one account. Once they learned that the FDIC insurance only covered $250,000 they divided it up and tried to learn what interest points were and pretended to worry about penalties for withdrawing the money (on interest rates they hadn't even previously been attaining).

I don't see this community looking out for the future generations as our elders did. The clubs in town are big on community service and creating a future for the children, and their memberships are down. Once upon a time, this town cared about it's youth, they worked hard to make sure their kids and grandkids would have a safe home. Entertainment close in Boise, but here... our kids can walk to the store and we don't have to worry. I believe those town elders thought their work would continue and the next generation would make sure there was entertainment, activities, and such to keep the youth, well.. young, happy and more than willing to care for us as we age.

It is sad to see so many people complaining about money spent to help kids, it may not be your kid, but having a school with a daycare (like the booth home in Boise) will have an effect all kids. Having a school like that in our town says a lot that we haven't said for ourselves, and outsiders wouldn't see by reading the comments in this paper.... we care for our kids, and when they get off track, we pick them up and help them find their way, no matter what people,who don't understand say.

-- Posted by honestabe2 on Tue, Jan 14, 2014, at 12:43 PM

My question is how does BMHS intend to pay for this daycare service for student-parents? They have not budgeted for it, have they? Is this to be paid out the supplemental levy request? If so, that was not mentioned in the article. Shouldn't the school district have to have a way to pay for initiatives before they approve them?

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Thu, Jan 9, 2014, at 11:58 AM

Jury Finds Saudi Airmen Guilty

Now this is what we want in Mountain Home. (NOT)

LAS VEGAS -- A Saudi Arabian air force sergeant faces a minimum mandatory 35 years in state prison after a jury found him guilty of raping a 13-year-old boy at a Las Vegas Strip hotel last New Year's Eve.

Defendant Mazen Alotaibi (MAH'-zen ah-loh-TAH'-bee) remained seated, clenching his jaw but showing no outward emotion as the verdict was read in Nevada state court Wednesday.

Sentencing for the 24-year-old Royal Saudi Air Force mechanic, who had been in the U.S. for military training, is set for Dec. 16.

Clark County District Court Judge Stefany Miley could sentence him to prison for life.

The jury of nine women and three men found Alotaibi guilty of sexual assault with a minor for forcing oral and anal sex on the boy in the bathroom of a sixth-floor room at the Circus Circus hotel, and lewdness with a child for fondling and kissing the boy on the way to the room.

Alotaibi decided not to testify in his defense.

Jurors instead saw a 70-minute videotaped police interview in which Alotaibi told detectives the boy offered sex for marijuana or money. After several minutes of denials, Alotaibi acknowledged to police that he engaged in sex with the boy.

The Associated Press is withholding the boy's name because of his age and the nature of the case.

Nevada state law says a child under 16 can't give consent. But Alotaibi's lawyer, Don Chairez, said Alotaibi was too intoxicated after drinking all night at a strip club to know if he was doing anything wrong.

Chairez spoke with jurors after the verdict and said outside court that he will appeal.

"I believe, with hindsight, that it was a mistake not to have Mazen testify," Chairez said, explaining that he believes jurors were left with evidence that his client had forced the boy to have sex.

The defense attorney faulted himself for not fighting harder for the jury to be able to consider a lesser felony charge of statutory sexual seduction, which carries a possible sentence of probation or up to 10 years in prison.

Prosecutor Jacqueline Bluth said the state was happy with the outcome.

"We didn't believe this was consensual and that the defendant was drunk," she said.

The Saudi Royal Consulate General in Los Angeles didn't respond Wednesday to messages about the case.

A consulate official attended at least one January court appearance. Chairez said he has been in contact with consulate officials before, during and after trial, but no government representatives attended the proceedings.

Jurors heard five days of testimony and spent just five hours deliberating.

Alotaibi had been charged with nine felonies, but was found guilty of six felonies and one misdemeanor.

The jury acquitted him of two lewdness counts that were offered as lesser alternatives to the two most serious counts of sexual assault with a minor under 14.

Alotaibi was convicted of two other counts of lewdness with a child under 14 and one count of kidnapping, which each carry a possible sentence of 10 years to life in prison. He was also found guilty of felony burglary for entering a building with intent to commit a crime, and of misdemeanor coercion.

The boy testified that he was waiting to go to breakfast with a friend when he approached Alotaibi and other men early Dec. 31 in a hallway at the Circus Circus because he smelled marijuana on their clothes and wanted pot.

The jury heard that other men who lounged and smoked in the room shooed the boy away after learning that he was 13.

Alotaibi followed the boy, out of the room, smoked marijuana with him outside the hotel, and asked the boy for sex, according to the boy's account.

Alotaibi was seen on elevator surveillance video leaning down and apparently kissing the boy's neck on their way back to the hotel room. The boy is seen running back to the elevator about 30 minutes later.

The boy testified that in the hotel room bathroom, Alotaibi blocked the door, offered him $150 and then doubled the amount, and forced him into oral and anal sex.

A man who was traveling with Alotaibi testified that he knocked several times on the locked bathroom door while Alotaibi and the boy were inside, but they didn't come out.

Bluth told the jury that Alotaibi wanted sex and wouldn't take no for an answer.

-- Posted by idahowantswolves on Thu, Jan 9, 2014, at 11:03 AM

I'd be willing to bet that this chairman and his lackies wouldn't allow an aspirin dispensary or some type of drug store to operate in the school in order to save these parents a trip downtown to get items needed for child care. Medicaid covered non employed children need to have medicine too.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Dec 31, 2013, at 10:34 AM

In response to the MHSD approving a daycare inside their alternative school, I would like to express my opinion. Once again it seems like the school district of this town sees itself fit to do their own thing without informing the general public. If you are not IN THE CLICK as my username suggests (I'm not), then unfortunately for you, you just get to read about it after it has gone into effect. The public (in this town anyway) is never included in what the school district plans or decides amongst themselves. Now it seems that the school district believes it is ethically ok to put themselves in direct competition with private businesses in town. This daycare that the school district is planning, offers the same amenities that more than 10 private commercial businesses in town offer, as well as many many in home private daycares. If a person takes the time to check it out, the daycares in town offer this same sliding fee, it is a state program, not something the school district has come up with. If these parents qualify for free or almost free daycare inside their school building, they also qualify for the same rate at a daycare in town. It sounds like the school district is offering these student parents something new, something that can quote 'keep them in school' but that is a lie. They are not offering them anything more than what a daycare in town can offer them, and there are in fact three of those private businesses within one block each direction of the alternative school, so the excuse that these parents cannot drive their children does not hold water either. Isn't school supposed to be preparing our children for the "real world"? If so then I say to the school district, you are failing horribly to do that. Other than a small minority of extremely large corporations, which you are not, nor are there any in a small town, what job would these students ever acquire where their children would be cared for inside their place of employment? Students are at school to learn, to focus on their education. Not to run downstairs to see their babies and change them during their school day. In a small town where it is already difficult for businesses to survive, I say how dare the School District feel that it is ok to compete for that business. It is not right. But I am also wise enough to know that in this town, our school district does what it wants, when it wants, with no reperussions from the outside world, mainly those of us NotInTheClick.

-- Posted by NotInTheClick on Tue, Dec 31, 2013, at 9:34 AM


One in the same. If you are an Employer and you are

Court ordered to send the money to child support that you

withheld from someones pack check, just send it in. Why

is it so difficult?? I promise that children and a single parent

are on the other end expecting those payments. Shame on you if you are an employer/bookkeeper that continuely "forgets". Rant over, Happy New Year!!

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Tue, Dec 31, 2013, at 8:32 AM

Daycare at BMHS.......this may be ballooning into an expensive situation not before mentioned. Pay on a sliding scale.....doesn't that mean pay part of cost, rest subsidized. I foresee another levy election.....to pay for building and operating a daycare at BMHS. We have truly become a nation of enablers. I'm not sure but I think if education really meant so much to these student parents they would have thought of the consequences of their actions prior to becoming parents. I don't think there are that many kids enrolled in BMHS. Sounds like most of them are parents and that's why they are there. Someone else always pays. How much and what for is always up to those we elected and their appointees. So what's the term used so much these days......oh, Whatever?

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Dec 31, 2013, at 8:30 AM

I think the MHSD should have a meeting with REPS from Richard McKenna Charter school to see what alternatives truly do work; with consideration to funding, resources and planning....they just outbid the City of Mountain Home for former LDS Park on 8th street and are in the process of getting approval/funding in place to build new school.....sounds like they are doing something right?

-- Posted by Dan Eilers on Mon, Dec 30, 2013, at 3:44 PM

From the November 2013 MHSD Board Minutes:

Because, we as tax payers, do not pay enough! Open your hearts and bill folds just a bit more---Give just a "wee" bit more because the education of our children is a RIGHT and without more money---THE "NUCLEAR SOLUTION" is headed our way!!!


A. ESTABLISH A DAYCARE IN BMHS -- Stehvn Tesar/Mary Kaye Johnson. Mr. Tesar and Mrs.

Johnson approached the Board to request permission to establish a daycare within the BMHS

building. Mrs. Johnson said that having a daycare in BMHS would greatly help our student-parents,

and our student-parents would be able to finish school, get a high school diploma, and possibly go

onto college. They presented some of the renovation costs.

Mrs. Johnson began by explaining that currently BMHS has ten (10) parents attending school and

there will be three (3) more parents enrolled in school in January (3rd Block), for a total of 13 studentparents.

She added that some of these student-parents dropped out of school because the regular

high school setting prior to BMHS wasn't working, mainly due to attendance issues.

Mrs. Johnson stated that with the opening of BMHS, we not only prevented ten (10) of these studentparents

from dropping out of school, we re-enrolled some of them and come January we'll have

thirteen student-parents; they get a second chance to be educated. She continued to say that

unfortunately, daycare is one of the major issues with our student-parents; they don't have regular

and reliable daycare. Mrs. Johnson explained that many of these students would like to go onto

college and they now have a chance to pursue a college education; having a daycare would increase

that opportunity.

Mrs. Johnson explained the licensing procedures, requirements, and codes that BMHS has to follow

to be licensed for daycare. She also said that licensed and trained professionals would inspect the

facilities, train the daycare providers, and provide additional professional development. Mrs.

Johnson then explained how they foresee the day-to-day operation of the daycare including using

sliding-scale fees to determine what to charge their student-parents, the expectations and

requirements of the student-parents operation, etc.

Mrs. Johnson also explained that the benefit of having a daycare on campus for their student-parents

is that it's on campus; parents have easy access to their children to feed, change, etc.; parents have

the peace of mind knowing their children are close, safe, and being cared for by trained providers;


parents can better concentrate on their studies and reduce their absenteeism; student-parents have

affordable daycare. She continued to explain the slide-scale fee

Mrs. Johnson went on to explain that there is funding available through the Idaho Child Care

Program for the daycare once it's established and what is required to receive the funding. She

informed the Board that the student-parents pay for their child's daycare based on the sliding-scale.

Mr. Tesar added that other alternative school principals have been in communication, especially

regarding how to STAR rate alternative schools, and the big push is on engagement and reengagement

of students; having a daycare would provide BMHS the opportunity to engage these

student-parents along with the other alternative students thus keeping the students from dropping

out of school; we are educating kids and now there is no excuse not to educate kids.

Chairman Alexander responded that we're in an era in which we aren't' as conservative as before

and teen parents are a part of life. He said that the Caldwell daycare has proven beneficial to its

students. He stated that any way we can assist in the education of kids and student-parents is

important and to assist them with the challenges that put some of these students at risk is important.

Chairman Alexander explained that without something like the daycare, these students are at risk of

failure. He said that this is something we really need to do so that we can make these students


Trustee Donahue asked about the logistics of the daycare. Mrs. Johnson explained that once the

hiring is done, the daycare director will use a point system.

Discussion continued regarding training, facilities, building codes, creditability, drafting policies

regarding the daycare, etc. Mr. Tesar informed the Board that much of the daycare would be

modeled after Canyon Springs, in Caldwell.

Mr. Tesar brought to everyone's attention that there are many local organizations and private

citizens who have come forward to donate money, furniture, toys, etc. He added that they plan to

approach other organizations and such for donations, and that the BMHS students would help assist

with the renovation; it would be one of their projects.

Trustee Checketts motioned to approve the request to establish a daycare at Bennett Mountain High

School as presented. Trustee Donahue seconded the motion. Motion granted.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Mon, Dec 30, 2013, at 1:29 PM

This 2.7 million dollar levy that the MHSD has if voted in for too long becomes permanent---no more vote and a sad fact of life till the end of time. And let us not forget the nearly 500K the MHSD Board TOOK (declared an "emergency" and passed this year with no vote) in another levy.

It is clear from some of the comments that you folks vote and have no clue what you are voting for. Thank you for allowing me to pay for your mistakes because some of you are too lazy to research what you are being told. The MHSD Board and Admin are a bunch of liars---how do you folks fail to see/understand this?

A levy to maintain buildings? Really? Wait till they have the kids on the streets again with signs. Then y'all can declare your ignorance all over again and say you did not know.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Mon, Dec 30, 2013, at 1:03 PM

The school story does have a comment section Trouble.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Dec 30, 2013, at 10:03 AM

Notice that the school story has no comment section. It looks like the school board has the paper on its pay-role. They now what kind of comments they would get. When the levy was introduced 4 years ago it was introduced as a "TWO YEAR TEMORARY LEVY". Now that they have had it for 4 years they want more, the school board are just like a bunch of junkies, we need to cut them off. I know; I know they will parade the children out and say but it is for the children and the weak minded will fall for their lies and give them more.

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Sun, Dec 29, 2013, at 9:25 AM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Bus. Mgr., MHNews:
First there are already others commenting on the levy story and second, I do the payroll and have been going on 23 years and I can promise you they are not on it or never had been!!

Its all good Sam, we're all guilty of it at some time. Hope you had a good Christmas.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Dec 26, 2013, at 3:51 PM

Merry Christmas, Mountain Home. Joe, it looks like I misread the timing of that amendment.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Dec 26, 2013, at 2:57 PM

MHSD Board/ADMIN---you folks are unreal. You folks need to learn to budget and stick to it. Times are tough---more money, more money, more money is not the best option. Learn to live within your means for a change. So when will the children be taking to the streets and when will the lies in the classrooms start? We have been down this road a time or two!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Dec 26, 2013, at 9:04 AM

MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone.....Thank you all for your part in making Mountain Home such a wonderful place to live.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Dec 24, 2013, at 8:31 AM

Merry Christmas Mountain Home!

-- Posted by IdahoDuck on Mon, Dec 23, 2013, at 12:36 PM

Sam, maybe look at it again. The proposed date of January 31, 1865 comes before December 6, 1865.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Fri, Dec 20, 2013, at 4:57 PM

I count 8 from your list Joe. You have to pretty much ignore Amendment 13 on your list because the proposed date is after the enacted date which seems a little odd.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Dec 20, 2013, at 4:42 PM

I do believe the actual number to be 9.


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Fri, Dec 20, 2013, at 8:00 AM

Want to know what we call an organization that constantly complains about a law for 3 years but has never tried to fix it nor has offered a seriously alternative to the law? The Republican Party.

Is it possible that of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took one (1) year or less to become the law of the land. Interesting factoid when applied to the Affordable Care Act and the actions of the Republican Party.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Dec 19, 2013, at 8:41 PM


-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Dec 19, 2013, at 5:59 PM

A little more on the ACA you might not know.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Dec 19, 2013, at 5:55 PM

The Republicans have a Universe Shattering story pertaining to Obama. You can read the news trailer at; http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/universe-shat...

We understand this will surpass and make pale all other Republican based yarns. Be calm and keep your muskets handy for this could be the one boys. Sorry we'll have to wait until March 2014 to get any details according to the article.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Dec 17, 2013, at 6:34 AM

A huge thanks to the Green Knights Military Motorcycle Club for once again taking on Toys for Tots. They were out in force this past Saturday collecting toys and money for this great program. I know they filled one trailer to capacity and have another one almost filled. They could not have done this without the generosity of this great community.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sun, Dec 15, 2013, at 10:22 PM

Moral majority; for a person who hates his government so much; for a person who wants to do revolution so badly; for a person who claims the governments is evil, too big and corrupt. We think this type of person who also calls himself moral may want to completely distance himself from said government. Isn't the man we describe called a RINO in Republican slang if he derives his pension and living wage from that government. Some would call that "Truly pitiful!"

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Dec 15, 2013, at 10:11 AM

SaraSam, Is that the only thing you two know how to do, disparage my continued Federal Service. Truly pitiful!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Sun, Dec 15, 2013, at 8:43 AM

Enjoyed Mike Bradbury's letter from Wednesday last! I took pleasure in a similar military experience, albeit 20 yrs after his, as a "wing-nut".

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Sat, Dec 14, 2013, at 11:43 PM

As a vet, I wanted to say thanks to American Legion Post 26 and the American Legion Riders for hosting the Wreaths Across America ceremony for the fifth year. This ceremony is another way to pay honor to those that have paid the ultimate sacrifice and those that are protecting us today. Both organizations volunteer countless hours to honor current and past military members. If you want a way to say thanks to the military, show up at any one of the ceremonies put on by these fine Vets and shake a few hands.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sat, Dec 14, 2013, at 10:23 PM

Moral majority while refreshed from his paid time off at the tax payer expense, is posting Obamacare editorials by Avik Roy. Roy admits that he is "a paid advisor to health care investors and industry stakeholders". That guy wouldn't be a bit biased would he?

Moral majority you should examine bias when you find an article that has you titillated over something negative about Obamacare.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Dec 14, 2013, at 2:10 PM

We think the Republicans forced a shutdown of the US Government for only 1 reason. 1/ To give the only true US patriot Moral majority a 15 day taxpayer paid vacation so he could rest up for more slurping from the government gravy trough.

Still want to brag about your rare living wage government job you got and how happy you were the government shutdown for 2 weeks Moral majority?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Dec 14, 2013, at 11:18 AM



-- Posted by Moral majority on Sat, Dec 14, 2013, at 9:50 AM

I also hope that they can continue to compromise in 2014. Right now Ryan and Christie are IMO the only viable Republican candidates for president in 2016. Ryan improved his chances with this compromise.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Dec 13, 2013, at 11:00 AM

We apologize to you Northside. You seem rather sensible and level-headed. But we like to give credit and thanks to House Republicans and Democrats for working together to pass this bill. We hope the bipartisanship spirit is still alive once it hits the Senate floor.

We go partisan when words like betrayal and blame are used to describe bipartisan efforts.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Dec 13, 2013, at 9:16 AM

It's a fact that retirement benefits are at risk through decisions made by people who most likely have no monetary interest in the outcome of decisions that affect the retirement systems or plans that they are managing.

If you're an employee for a publicly traded company, your retirement may not be secure because the company may consider the assets set aside, "promised", for employee pensions as a corporate asset and used to create the illusion of corporate profitability. Read Retirement Heist by Ellen Schultz if you're looking for a read that will make your blood boil.

If you're managing your own retirement, you've still got to deal with the decisions of fund managers who rely on the intelligence they can obtain from like those described above.

Bottom line is, it's a gamble for anyone to expect to continue to gain from a former employer because once an individual retires, they're no longer contributing to the bottom line. The retiree becomes a liability and the assets set aside for retiree benefits can be used elsewhere in the company to enhance value to company shareholders.

As far as Section 403 goes, at least the retirees can recoup the COLA at 62

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Dec 13, 2013, at 9:13 AM

Dave, thanks for the link as I'd had a hard time finding the source data. An earlier report from Army Times said it was unclear whether or not the one time pay adjustment would be made at age 62, though from the link it appears that you are correct and retirees pay will be reset at that time. The numbers from the previously linked CNN report are still very significant to those recently retired and for every future military retiree. Many folks might've adjusted their decisions on retirement date or follow on employment had they know this was in store.

Sara, it seems you have to make everything about partisan politics, something I specifically avoided. Both sides have had detractors when it comes to this agreement. The republicans don't like the fact that it does little to decrease long term spending and reverses previously agreed upon cuts while the democrats don't like the fact that it doesn't extend long term unemployment benefits. The "deal" was brokered by a republican Congressman (Ryan) and a democratic Senator (Murray), majorities from both parties voted on it in the House. Both parties are to blame.

-- Posted by Northside on Fri, Dec 13, 2013, at 8:04 AM

Section 403 of the Balanced Budget Act of 2013 covers the COLA issue addressed by northside. As I understand it, when a retiree reaches age 62, the COLA will be recouped through an adjustment in retired pay. Am I correct on that?


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Dec 12, 2013, at 11:13 PM

Understanding is the hardest part when it comes to unfolding the Republican logic. The Republicans want to cut, cut and then slice some more all the while calling for some mythical revolution against an unknown enemy. Now the cuts appear to be in places the Republicans don't like and the world is coming to an end. Careful, meet wish.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Dec 12, 2013, at 10:04 PM

Regardless of your political affiliation there was plenty to be unhappy about with the budget "deal" passed by Congress today. However, on a more local, and for many, more personal level, as part of this budget deal all military retirees under the age of 62 will see their COLA decreased by one percent each year. Now, one percent per year may not sound like much, but compound it over a number of years and it can result in an overall pension reduction in the tens of thousands of dollars over the course of a veteran's remaining years as illustrated in this article :


This is an absolute betrayal to those that have served and sacrificed.

Also, on a local level, our Congressman Mike Simpson voted in favor of this "deal". Something I hope all the military retirees will remember in the next election.

-- Posted by Northside on Thu, Dec 12, 2013, at 8:29 PM

A red herring to fool the American public so that they won't support the ACA.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Dec 12, 2013, at 8:10 PM

I found nothing in the CBO regarding H.R.3121 - American Health Care Reform Act of 2013.

According to the information contained at one of the links I provided below, there has been no action taken on the proposal by Representatives Roe and Scalise since 10/15/2013.

I am inclined not to believe the Republican opponents of the ACA who claim the act compromises the foundation of liberty and at the same time, those opponents are reluctant or unable to take the required measures to produce and advance alternative legislation that may be examined and considered by the people they are advocating for.

Considering the timeline of the legislation, I am inclined to believe this legislation was drafted in order to be presented as a red herring during the periods immediately prior to and following the rollout of the ACA.

I will not vote for anyone who promotes inaction and distraction as a strategy to ensure a better future.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Dec 12, 2013, at 10:47 AM

A couple of comparisons:



-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Dec 12, 2013, at 10:09 AM

That estimate should read ~$1640.00 a year for all 317.2 million of us.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Dec 11, 2013, at 5:25 PM

joe_smoe; you might not be correct in your assumption most if not all ACA supporter will not agree with your recent car analogy. We hope you will come back to explain how helping millions of citizens living in the greatest nation in the world in obtaining health insurance is like forcing you to buy a car for someone.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Dec 11, 2013, at 3:34 PM

Joe Smoe you don't seem to be reading the links that Dave is providing.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Dec 11, 2013, at 1:51 PM

Here is some information I found re: H.R.3121 - American Health Care Reform Act of 2013


No, it's not like increasing your car payment so another person can buy a car.

It's like someone paying more taxes in order to make up the tax difference for someone who pays less than approx. $5300 a year for the defense of our nation. That's considering the share of the defense budget for every person in the United States.

How about we all get a job that pays well enough where our tax deductions fund the defense budget and everything else?

Is my family paying part of your share of the defense budget?

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Dec 11, 2013, at 1:27 PM

This is like me paying $500 a month car payment. My previous payment was $300 but increased so you too may have a car. I say if you want a car, get a job and buy it yourself. I am sure, positive matter of fact, the supporters of ACA will see it otherwise.


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Dec 11, 2013, at 12:26 PM

This addresses an issue that, according to the piece by Mr. Ponnuru, would be one of the purposes of the proposal by Rep.'s Roe & Scalise.


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Dec 11, 2013, at 9:28 AM

A lot of information here:


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Dec 11, 2013, at 9:06 AM

Are any of the recommendations in this CB study included in the legislation proposed by Messrs Roe/Scalise? Has their proposal been studied by the CBO?


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Dec 11, 2013, at 8:14 AM

joe_smoe; a Republican favorite webpage called The Nation Review didn't mince word about one leader shaking the hand of another leader. "The Damage of a Handshake" story is sure to warm the hearts of every Republican out there. Can't help it if you think helping the Republican get their own story out there is stirring.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 4:17 PM

It appears that you 2, Sam/Sara, need a bigger stirring stick. Maybe this will help.


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 3:20 PM

Yes, the extreme right needs to watch Obama every minute. He is now shaking all kinds of foreign leaders hands and it does kind of look like he is bowing because he is taller than a lot of people so he bends over a little to talk face to face with them.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 11:30 AM

Rumors of photo surfacing of Prez Obama bowing to and shaking hands with Cuba's Castro.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 8:07 AM

Here is an article about real people that are helped by the ACA.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 10:56 PM

Don't sell yourself short, dog.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 6:36 PM

It's a good thing the family is keeping an open-mind. of course, that would be a first time, if it were true. But alas, I fear nothing can wrench that steel trap open. Minds frozen in desperate admiration of their Messiah unable to make good on the illegitimate promises of his administration's failures and lies upon failures and lies. More is the pity.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 1:24 PM

Sam, it isn't Rameesh who fails to see the logic, if you know what I mean?

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 1:16 PM

My first question for the Representatives is, who wrote this for you?

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 8:23 AM

GetRealNow; we agree to keep an open mind and possibly even write our representatives urging them to move forward with the Republican healthcare plan. As the Republicans have set the bar incredibly high when it comes to healthcare reform and associated laws we expect the bar to remain there.

The plan we'd like to see set in motion is 1/ get the bill passed by both houses. /2 get the President to sign the bill into law. 3/ vote 40+ times to repeal the Republican law. 4/ spend the next 4 years doing everything possible to make the bill appear worse than slavery. 5/ the law must include free Communism removal services.

See, we are keeping an open mind by following the Republican example.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 6:20 AM

Ramesh Ponnuru is extremely conservative to the point that he is unable to tell the difference between good logic and bad logic.

The bill, of course, starts with repealing Obamacare and then passing a bill that also has flaws. So what are we going to do? Pass a law, and begin implementing over a few years, and then just when we are almost fully implemented we scrap the ACA and then start over with something else.

I think it makes more sense to continue with ACA and improve on it. But like I said, Ramesh Ponnuru, is not able to see logic.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Dec 8, 2013, at 6:55 PM

And now a balanced review of the Republican alternative to Obamacare. Try to stay open-minded and be understanding that there are alternatives to Obamacare that are less tax-burdening to the American people.

Credit where credit is due: Ramesh Ponnuru is a Bloomberg View columnist, a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a senior editor at National Review and is the author.

"House Republicans are starting to fill in the details of what health-care policies they would prefer over Obamacare. The 175 conservative representatives in the Republican Study Committee released a plan last week. It's a good start, but there's room for improvement.

The plan, which is mostly the work of Representatives Phil Roe and Steve Scalise, repeals President Barack Obama's health-care law. It replaces the unlimited tax break for employer-provided health insurance with a new tax deduction -- $7,500 for individuals or $20,000 for families -- to purchase health insurance, whether through an employer or on their own. It would let insurers sell policies across state lines. And it would put $25 billion into high-risk pools to help people who would still be unable to buy insurance.

The prevailing liberal reaction to the plan has been to dismiss it. It isn't a serious alternative to the Affordable Care Act, they say, because it doesn't provide health insurance to as many people or offer the same protections to those with pre-existing conditions. Obamacare supporters expect the law to increase the number of people with insurance by 25 million. The Lewin Group has estimated that a tax deduction would increase that number by only about 9 million.

These criticisms are partly right. The Republicans should replace their tax deduction with a tax credit, which would have a higher value for people with low incomes and thus do more to extend insurance. Increasing the number of people with health insurance may not do much for their health -- the evidence that it would is pretty weak -- but it will make them more financially secure. That's especially worth doing because federal policy, by tying insurance to employment, has locked a lot of people out of health insurance markets and thus made them less secure.

Minimize Disruption

Republicans should make two other modifications to the plan. People who have access to employer coverage shouldn't be allowed to use the tax deduction or tax credit to purchase health insurance on their own. Eventually we ought to move toward a system that's much less dependent on employers, but we should minimize the disruptiveness of this transition.

And medical malpractice reform, as popular as it is among Republicans, shouldn't be done at the federal level. Medical torts have traditionally been regulated by states, and states have the incentive to set their policies on it the right way -- because their residents will pay the price if they don't.

Even with these flaws, though, the Republican plan is superior to Obamacare. It's less coercive. It requires fewer taxes. It doesn't have as much potential to reduce full-time employment. And it's more likely to control costs, relying as it does on the power of competition rather than the guidance of Washington-based experts.

It also takes a more sensible approach to people with pre-existing conditions. Obamacare requires insurers to offer them insurance on the same terms as healthy people. This rule fundamentally changes the nature of insurance. And it creates an incentive for people to go without coverage until they get sick, which could make the law unworkable as healthy people leave the market, premiums rise and more healthy people leave. If that happens, we never reach that 25 million figure Obamacare's supporters crow about.

The Republican plan, by contrast, treats pre-existing conditions as a significant but discrete problem. It doesn't try to redesign the entire insurance market around them. It offers subsidies and strengthens regulatory protections for them, but in a way that doesn't pose the risk that Obamacare does of destroying that market.

Expanding Choices

One liberal complaint about the plan is especially wrongheaded. That's the idea that letting insurers sell out of state will create a "race to the bottom." On this theory, insurers will all set up in states that don't require them to cover a lot of medical treatments, and thus people will end up with "skimpy" plans. It's true that states will face pressure not to overregulate, but it's also true that, all else being equal, consumers will want more coverage. They might be willing to choose less extensive coverage, but only if it is cheaper. That's a trade-off they should be able to make.

Perhaps many people would end up with insurance policies that protect them against the risk of catastrophically high medical expenses, but pay for routine care out of pocket. That arrangement could be more efficient than using insurance to cover a larger share of medical expenses.

Look at the Republican Study Committee's plan without liberal presuppositions, and you see the beginnings of a promising alternative to Obamacare. Whether it becomes anything more than that is up to Republicans."

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Dec 8, 2013, at 1:44 PM

I'm as certain you're sufficiently academic as I'm certain we're both smart enough to debate with the other.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 9:52 PM

Are you sure that you aren't Johnny Moral majority? Johnny name calls a lot like you. Too bad you have no real issues to discuss.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 8:51 AM

Some more buffoonery, just for you:

A teacher asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans. All the kids raised their hands, even though they didn't know what an Obama fan is, but wanted to be liked by the Teacher. Except, for little Johnny. Teacher asked why he decided to be different. He said, "Because I'm not an Obama fan, I'm a Republican. So the Teacher asked why he was a Republican. Johnny said, "Because my Mom and my Dad are Republican, so...I'm a Republican. The Teacher was clearly annoyed and said, "If your Mom was a Moron and you Dad was an Idiot, what would that make you?" Johnny smiled ear to ear, "That would make me an Obama fan!"

-- Posted by Moral majority on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 6:33 AM

JYD - Points taken. I figured we're all brave Americans here and we can't let a little thing like "time and vernacular" scare us.

Madison and all the others did not let "time and vernacular" scare them when they were considering the unique circumstances they found themselves in while fulfilling the responsibility they had to take action to ensure the future of the nation. Madison refers to the efforts made by the ancients when civilizations worked to establish governments. He had to contend with "time and vernacular" as well, and he wasn't there with the ancients.

I responded to the poem that appeared earlier today. I could have responded with a quote from the King James Version of the Holy Bible but the poem contained no reference to the Bible, although it did reference Christ, Christians and Christmas. But then, since the King James Version of the Holy Bible was written (and changed to suit the purposes of an English king) before the Federalist Papers were written, I would expect that polycephalic beast bearing the heads of Time and Vernacular would be present and would require readers to develop a strategy that would permit them to nullify that two headed brute.

The poem is a potpourri of fecal matter and was not written in the spirit of Christ. However, the poem was written in our "time and vernacular" wasn't it? It was written to perpetuate the fear in our time as a measure to further a political agenda. Rightfully, it deserved an appropriate political response.

In regard to your concern of my view of the "unwashed masses", which appears to be a comment that reveals you perceive that I feel superior to others when posting stuff that might be hard for them to "get"; If my understanding is correct, your perception has misled you: I responded to a post made by someone using the moniker "moral majority". The same "moral majority" fully supports our founding fathers, and hopefully recognizes the name of James Madison. "moral majority" has claimed moral superiority here.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 10:22 PM

Moral majority; we're having a difficult time determining what a serious issue is to you. A man who derives most or even all of his living wage, medical coverage and discounted shopping experiences from the government gravy bowl yet wants to wage war against this same government is hard to take seriously. Add to that the way you gloated about the government shutdown and your 15 day taxpayer funded vacation and we have a man who should hang his head in shame. Want to be taken seriously, stop slurping from the government gravy bowl or cowboy up and proudly wear that 47% taker badge.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 9:01 PM

Serious issue huh, Moral majority? Let's see.

1. Obama's half uncle "Omar" who he hasn't seen or spoken to in 20 years turned out to be an illegal alien.

2. The White House staff said a while back that Obama didn't know him or something to that effect. Jay Carney said that they hadn't asked Obama.

3. The president said this week when asked about it, that he did know him from a long time ago. Apparently they have lost touch of each other.

Where is the lie Moral majority? You seem to be grasping at straws as you continue your enjoyment of blog buffoonery.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 6:48 PM

Sara, Sam, Do you have an answer to the serious issue I posted, or are you going to tell me that its only my perception that he is a liar?

Dave, the lesser of any evil, is still, EVIL!

Merry Christmas to all, and may the lords peace be with you.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 5:39 PM

Ref: your linked article. Where does the President offer any direct statement regarding his relationship with his uncle? You've got statements by White House spokespeople, but no clarifying remarks from the President.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 4:51 PM

You want to talk about issues? OK, How about why the President can not EVER seem to tell the truth. He reminds me of Judge Miliaons famous quote, "I wouldn't believe you if your tounge came notarized" I refer you once again to this web site:


-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 3:52 PM

The Republican aren't about just trying to scare you. They want you "to believe" they have some magical seeing powers too.

Research these items and if you find them true and factual, your political party should be the Republican Party. 1/ liberal socialist programs are crumbling all around us. 2/ most citizens do not see some unexplained but real danger in front of us that only a few special magical Republicans can see. 3/ These few magical Republicans are the only ones that can see what's behind the curtain. We're not sure what curtain they are talking about but it reminds us of some wizard in the land of Oz. 4/ These few special Republicans are the only true loyal Americans making the rest of us unworthy filthy traitors. 5/ The government, of the people and by the people has an ultimate intention of being your "mommy and daddy" insisting on total dependence and obedience to a nanny state. 6/ at least half this country seems totally WILLING to just self-impose themselves right back INTO slavery. 7/ Dems traditionally cannot and will not see their "representatives" for who and what they are. 8/ A special train, seen and heard only by Republicans, will come to round us up for the great enslavement.

We ask you to do your own research, seek the truth and accept only facts. Start with http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/20...

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 2:29 PM

What purpose does the poem serve?

"It may display the subtlety of the writer; it may open a boundless field for rhetoric and declamation; it may inflame the passions of the unthinking, and may confirm the prejudices of the misthinking: but cool and candid people will at once reflect, that the purest of human blessings must have a portion of alloy in them; that the choice must always be made, if not of the lesser evil, at least of the GREATER, not the PERFECT, good;"

James Madison - Federalist No. 41 - General View of the Powers Conferred by the Constitution

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 1:20 PM


I could not resist, the great DECEIVER, doing what he does best!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 10:45 AM

The only tongues I see "wagging and twitching" are yours Goatbeard, and Moral majority's with his plagiarized poem which can be seen on multiple extreme right wing sites.

Are you guys ever going to discuss issues or must you keep up the buffoonery?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 10:43 AM

Dang M.....between this little poem and Mike Bradbury's letter this week......the babblers tongues will be wagging and twitching like a epileptic seizure. Hope they survive.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 9:11 AM

Twas two months before Christmas

When all through our land,

Not a Christian was praying

Nor taking a stand.

Why the PC Police had taken away

The reason for Christmas - no one could say.

The children were told by their schools not to sing

About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.

It might hurt people's feelings, the teachers would say

December 25th is just a ' Holiday '.

Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit

Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!

CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-Pod

Something was changing, something quite odd!

Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa

In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.

As Targets were hanging their trees upside down

At Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.

At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears

You won't hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.

Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-is-ty

Are words that were used to intimidate me.

Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen

On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton !

At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter

To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.

And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith

Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace

The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded

The reason for the season, stopped before it started.

So as you celebrate 'Winter Break' under your 'Dream Tree'

Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.

Choose your words carefully, choose what you say


not Happy Holiday!

Please, all Christians join together and

wish everyone you meet


Christ is The Reason for the Christ-mas Season!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 9:04 AM

A few days have gone by and we've again heard from the FTD crew...speaking of trains, derailment is associated with FTD.

I'll continue to base my interpretation of what the Founders intended upon that which the Founders wrote. You can read those writings at thomas.loc.gov and memory.loc.gov

Aircraft are parked in"hangars" and not "hangers".

That's a pet peeve of mine.

Mind the gap.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Dec 5, 2013, at 9:59 PM

When the trains come and the roundup begins? Trains as transportation is obsolete Opinion Missy. What in the world are Mike Bradbury and you talking about? Another conspiracy theory or just a take off from many other conspiracy theories.

Some people just love to be scared. I prefer facts, not scare stories.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Dec 5, 2013, at 8:26 PM

Great letter as always Mike Bradbury! You are right, few will see until it is too late. The "Dave-Sam and Sara" banter is living proof of this fact. Sad state of affairs for certain. I guess when the trains come and the round up begins...well, let us just leave it at that.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Dec 5, 2013, at 2:38 PM

Right, sara. I'm interested to see what the future holds regarding these types of issues. It would seem that anyone, who believes they have a vested right to deny women the right to make decisions that would deny an unborn a chance at life, would be similarly opposed to life denying decisions made by corporations, regardless of the affect of the costs that life affirming corporate policies may have on shareholders.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Dec 4, 2013, at 8:42 AM

Dave Thompson; the Republicans desperately want us "to believe" the ACA will not cover very young children at all.


Do the research and you'll find the people who want to scare you instead of work for you.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Dec 4, 2013, at 6:04 AM

I hope so, Dave. The ACA was pretty specific about some things but I didn't see that.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 10:47 PM

Will the ACA prevent insurance companies and healthcare systems from discriminating against very young children in regard to organ transplants? Some time ago, I saw a news report of a young child who had a life threatening condition, and the only hope of preserving that childs life was through an organ transplant. I'm not certain whether the child was covered by health insurance, but the healthcare system that had been providing the child's care declined to place that child on an organ transplant list because of a minimum age restriction in their transplant qualification criteria.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 1:22 PM

A Contrario seems to have taken a freshman level Philosophy class and because of this thinks that he can lecture on the subject. His sarcasm is very reminiscent of the blogger that resigned on November 23rd at 9:23 am.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 11:36 AM

Sara - It didn't take me long to find a source that makes it appear that the Times did manipulate a story (as in " an account of imaginary or real people and events told for entertainment"). The State Department website has a transcript of a conference call wherein the issues behind the Times story are addressed.

That is a good example of what A Contrario pointed out in his post regarding "The fickle nature of how information is posted, re-posted, manipulated, recalled, and reorganized on the web should make us all very cautious of what we purport as facts and truth."

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 10:59 AM

Give it some time A Contrario. The individual with the weakest intellect resigned from posting on theBanter Box at 0923 on 11/23/2013, so the posts you read in the future may come closer to conforming to your interpretation of your truth.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 9:33 AM

Here is some Republican logic. Accuse Obama of shutting down the Vatican embassy.

Please read the title of the linked article closely


Research to see if the Republicans are just trying to scare you with their next boogyman.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 8:53 AM

Don't waste your time AC. Logic has no place here. Might as well just drink your hemlock...

-- Posted by sixguns on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 8:33 AM

A Contrario......your statements make sense therefore inviting comment from the babblers. Looking back at the babble, most of the rants are much longer then the sensible statements you just made. We all know what opinions are and who has them. I knew when I read you post there would be answers. A true contrary babbler just cannot leave well enough alone. Have a good day A........and you too Mike B. You know what happens when you pee into the wind eh?

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 8:29 AM

A Contrario, when trying to make a point, less words work much better than an extremely long and boring diatribe.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 7:49 AM

Another "truth" referee?

Check out Metaethical Moral Relativism.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Dec 3, 2013, at 7:31 AM

After reading the "political conversations" in the banter box for the past several weeks, I motion that we start a new discussion forum called the Banty Box. If any of you political pundits out there are familiar with the Bantam breed of chickens, then you know what I am talking about. When applied to humans, calling someone a Banty is synonymous with calling them small in stature but highly aggressive. In respect to the majority of comments, I would label them as small in intellectual stature, but highly aggressive in their political propaganda content. The term Banty Box suits the level of conversation so much better, don't you all think? It seems to me the majority of you run around the internet pecking at what you call "facts" with the clicks and clucks of your mouse, and then when you find a website that agrees with your position you post a link to it as if you were illuminating some great fact or fact based opinion. The fickle nature of how information is posted, re-posted, manipulated, recalled, and reorganized on the web should make us all very cautious of what we purport as facts and truth, that is just my opinion though.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy reading the invective chicken scratch you all put on the screen, but I feel it is time for me to call all of you out on your bad reasoning and arguing skills. I am not taking any sides on any issues; I am making a stand against ignorance. There are so many problems with the way you people you argue I will just address a few of the common issues. It is my hope that some of you will take a step back and think about the defunct hyperbole you consume from your favorite political sources before you simply regurgitate it as digital diarrhea into the discussion box.

The major issue I have found with almost all of the arguments posted in this Banty Box is that you political truth experts do not seem to understand the difference between truth, validity, and opinions. Many of you have tried to form a valid argument, but it seems to me that you are misinformed about how logic works in argumentation. In formal logic, a true argument and a valid argument are not always the same thing. Let us not confuse these two terms in future political conversations, it is embarrassing to have to remind people (I am guessing adults?) about the intricacies of logic. As far as opinions go, there is a great deal of distinction between truth, validity, and one's opinions as well. I would suggest that everyone take another look at the characteristics that constitute a truth, a valid argument, and an opinion. If you do not understand the difference between these three terms, then you cannot really make an effective argument on any issue, political or otherwise.

-- Posted by A Contrario on Mon, Dec 2, 2013, at 4:20 PM

McCallumS; we thought your questions were rhetorical. Here are answers to some of your questions. 1/ Is there more than one voice in your head? 1// No. 2/ Are we speaking for all democrats? 2// No. 3/ Do you not understand that not everyone who reads or replies in this forum are either republican or democrat. 3// We understand. 4/ We continue to shove our beliefs down the throats of those who read this forum? 4// Can't make people read our comments so in our opinion we aren't doing the shoving. Sorry. 5/ Our topics might be slightly different but all revolve around politics? 5// Agreed. 6/ Do we not have other interests? 6// Yes we have other interests. 7/ Do we enjoy being condescending to anyone that goes against your beliefs? 7// Don't believe we are being as condescending as you are with these questions but we don't enjoy it. 8/ Are you not loved at home? 8// Lots of love in our home life, family life and social life. We have a few problems here and there but love, laughter and happiness is bountiful. Thanks for the concern. 9/ Do we realize that just because we have an opinion that does not make it true or fact? 9// We base our opinions on facts but there are no certainties in life other than death. 10/ Perhaps we might benefit from finding a hobby? 10// Soccer mom, full time employee, avid runner and biker and part time student working hard at getting a degree in a field of study that I enjoy so hobby time is limited.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Dec 2, 2013, at 6:22 AM


I have accepted their kind offers and some of the conversations have been stimulating, then they are over and I move on to another topic, I happen to have a wide range of interests. I attempted to engage in an interesting conversation with you, I am now patiently waiting for you to answer the questions I have asked without being condescending or sarcastic, I am afraid it might be a long wait.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Sun, Dec 1, 2013, at 9:03 PM

McCallumS; it is clear to us you don't like political comments. Seriously dude, it's abundantly clear. You have also made it painfully obvious you want others to write comments that are interesting to you personally otherwise you'd write your own non-political comments to stimulate conversation on this webpage. Others have tried to engage you and a few other posters here with offers to discuss non-political topics. We believe you should accept those kind offers.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Dec 1, 2013, at 7:35 AM


What is up with you? Is there more than one voice in your head? You keep saying "we", are you speaking for all democrats? Do you not understand that not everyone who reads or replies in this forum are either republican or democrat. There are people that no longer believe in their government at all, take no sides or when it comes to voting perhaps just vote for the lesser evil. You continue to shove your beliefs down the throats of those who read this forum, your topics might be slightly different but all revolve around politics. Do you not have other interests? Do you enjoy being condescending to anyone that goes against your beliefs? Are you not loved at home? You must realize that just because you have an opinion does not make it true or fact. Perhaps you might benefit from finding a hobby, something to exercise your brain and open your thoughts to topics away from politics.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Sun, Dec 1, 2013, at 4:38 AM

Nobody said anything about healthcare.....that's your bag. Nobody said anything about Republican or Democrat....again, that's your bag. It's the on going mindless babble one is subjected to each day. I know, if you don't like it, don't read it. Seems to be your way or the highway. Yah......Bullelye there babblers.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sat, Nov 30, 2013, at 7:08 AM

Bullseye Sara.....

-- Posted by ltngblt on Fri, Nov 29, 2013, at 2:44 PM

Somehow in the Republican mindset an allegory about a Holiday is a sacrilege yet working tirelessly to deny health care and a few dollars for food to less the fortunate is righteous.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Nov 29, 2013, at 8:49 AM

Welcome to the Sam and Sarah comedy hour. A local rendition of SNL where nothing is sacred, even our cherished holidays. If it's not politicized then it's not American. Onward Christian soldiers and political babblers. We have work to do.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Fri, Nov 29, 2013, at 7:59 AM

Dear, dear bob8492; thanks for commenting on our allegory-like Thanksgiving story. We didn't expect any Republicans to understand it. We commend you for exceeding our expectations.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Nov 29, 2013, at 7:17 AM

I like to read points of view that were written by someone who lived in the age they're writing about. We've come a long way, and I'm sure we'll overcome any challenges we face in the future.

"IT is both natural and becoming to make this annual festival an occasion for reviewing our mercies, and expatiating on the goodness of God to our beloved country. Where this is done to invigorate our gratitude and stimulate us to duty, it is eminently useful. But it is a great abuse of such a retrospect, to convert it into food for our national vanity. We are so much accustomed to the language of self-eulogy, and our condition is so manifestly superior, in many particulars, to that of most other nations, that we are apt to overlook those features in our social or religious state, which are adapted rather to humble than exalt us."

The low value set upon human life in the United States: a discourse delivered on Thanksgiving-day, November 24th, 1853, by H. A. Boardman, D. D.


Happy Thanksgiving

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Nov 28, 2013, at 1:01 PM

Oh Sara, Sara.... your mind is so closed .....you do recognize that through the "democratic process" that there might be other points of view????

-- Posted by bob8492 on Thu, Nov 28, 2013, at 9:04 AM


I sure wish there was a share button on your last comment. I'm sharing it on my FB page. Thank you!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Nov 27, 2013, at 10:36 PM

Good one sara-connor. Everyone have a good Thanksgiving!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Nov 27, 2013, at 6:20 PM

With Thanksgiving upon us, we wish all our family and friends a joyous day filled with love and laughter. It might do some good if we remember what this day of celebration and remembrance is all about.

After a successful community harvest about 70 foreigners called Pilgrims and 90 liberal citizens got together for a celebration and to give thanks for the bounty this land provided for them. Everyone shared with the less fortunate and the a spirit of cooperation was born in the new world. Or so we thought.

After the celebration all the citizens of the land got together and voted through the democratic way of the time. Would the citizens allow these foreigners to remain in the land of the free was the big question of the day.

The citizens from Foxnews Point in the Plymouth area wanted to deport those community harvester Communists out of the country thinking that way of life by the foreign moochers might catch on and the land would burn in tyranny. Some other citizens argued the foreigners didn't even try to assimilate into the culture and should be deported immediately because after all, they were in America illegally. The Tea Growers held protests just before the election and got enough citizens to vote to shutdown the entire east coast.

By Christmas the citizens voted to reopen the east coast by a slim margin. To this day we are still awaiting on the deport/no deport vote.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Nov 27, 2013, at 2:42 PM

Old guy. Although some shooter's do leave trash in the desert, not all of the trash is left by shooter's. Either way, it is a shame that people are so stupid to leave their trash there instead of at the land fill.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Mon, Nov 25, 2013, at 3:54 PM

Checked in with the ole banter box today, Looks like the same ole political crap. Carry on...

-- Posted by MHRAISED on Mon, Nov 25, 2013, at 10:51 AM

on that iron pipe with welded cap....I suspect it is a sample well for a ground water study/survey done back in 1957 and 1967, but not certain. Reference the report at the following link:


-- Posted by Lost In The Found Department on Mon, Nov 25, 2013, at 7:37 AM


That is what we were thinking but wondered why cap a hot spring off out the middle of the desert. We went out there two different days and saw nothing other than people out target shooting. This does bring up a good point. We saw couches, televisions, cardboard and tons of trash left from all the shooting. Please if you pack it out pack it in and pick up your brass, including shotgun shells.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sun, Nov 24, 2013, at 10:06 PM

Old guy:

I know there are old hot spring out near that location. Possible someone capped the hotspot. Hoping some one in the know answers your question. See any wildlife out there.

-- Posted by bondyweb on Sun, Nov 24, 2013, at 4:23 PM

Thought I would ask here. We took our labs out for exercise in the desert the past two days. We went about 5 miles down Hot Creek Rd off Hwy 20, pulled off where there is a cattle guard on the right. We walked to the top of the rise and came across a large vertical iron pipe with a plate welded to the top of it. It look almost like an old well casing. We could detect a slight smell of sulfur and air was coming out the pipe. Anyone know what this is?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Sun, Nov 24, 2013, at 3:36 PM

Syria is destroying it's chemical arsenal and Iran's nuclear program is now subject to intrusive inspections.

It's good to see some apparent success in these matters;it is evidence to what may be accomplished when the only hysterical naysayers to contend with are belligerent foreign adversaries.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 9:39 PM

"... there are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.

There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know.

But there are also unknown unknowns -- there are things we do not know we don't know. "

--Former United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 4:55 PM

We're going to miss CoolBreeze83647. Maybe prepping for the big conservative revolution or the end of times expends too much energy to allow him to post. We'll miss his point of view.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 4:35 PM

As CB exits again with more name calling. Maybe your next name can be Darn_Trouble.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 12:47 PM

I appreciate your perspective McCallumS and agree with most of what you say. There is no reason in this country for people to go hungry, or for that matter to not have shelter and clothes.

When my son was a young child we lived in a large city and our neighborhood was very mixed. The school that he went to had a free breakfast and lunch program for most of the kids in the school. In fact, one time he spent his lunch money on candy and then tried for the free lunch telling his teacher that I couldn't afford to give him lunch money. We laugh about it now but at the time I was furious. I told him that he was grounded until I got through being mad.

But I digress. We saw a lot of poor kids and when we were downtown, we saw the homeless sleeping on the side walks, and people with mental issues walking around because they couldn't afford the medicine that they needed or the care that they needed. A couple of times, I was almost attacked by a homeless person.

I don't mind paying extra taxes to stop situations like that. We donate to our church who provides help through St. Vincent de Paul. I have volunteered in the past to St. Vincent de Paul and probably should do so again.

I disagree that the majority of politicians are out for number one, but that's just my natural optimism. There is a certain type of person that goes into politics and I'd never do it. I'm too selfish about my personal time with my family. To live a political life, I think, takes a lot of sacrifice of family and real friends.

I honestly think that there are some really good people that are in politics. Not perfect people because nobody is perfect, but really good people.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 8:17 PM


I would like to see more discussions related to local events. Something that seems to be bothering me a great deal is the number of people, mostly the younger generation, who are going hungry. Those politicians you all are always arguing about more than likely do not know how it feels to worry about where the next can of formula is coming from. It is my opinion that the majority of those politicians have lost site of what they are really supposed to be doing, making decisions that are best for the American people, not what's best for their own pockets.

I am not certain that the majority of those politicians should be relied upon for anything concerning the welfare of the American people. We need to begin to look after our own, try to help each other more, and be more understanding of those who need help to survive. I fully understand that people are weary of seeing tax dollars going to fund food stamp programs or other programs that are helping people survive, there are now and always have been those who take advantage of the system but I would rather see money going to these programs than into some politicians pocket.

Mountain Home has too many people in need with nowhere to turn, I am glad to see that there are programs available but they are few and their sources are extremely limited. I have no answers but I would love to see a huge reduction in the pay our government is receiving and a reduction in the way they are allowed to spend the American public's tax money. As I stated in a prior post, arguing over which politician is better than the next is a waste of time, the majority all behave in the same manner, out for number one.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 7:50 PM

In some, it has been too evident from their own publications, that they have scanned the proposed Constitution, not only with a predisposition to censure, but with a predetermination to condemn; as the language held by others betrays an opposite predetermination or bias, which must render their opinions also of little moment in the question. In placing, however, these different characters on a level, with respect to the weight of their opinions, I wish not to insinuate that there may not be a material difference in the purity of their intentions. It is but just to remark in favor of the latter description, that as our situation is universally admitted to be peculiarly critical, and to require indispensably that something should be done for our relief, the predetermined patron of what has been actually done may have taken his bias from the weight of these considerations, as well as from considerations of a sinister nature. The predetermined adversary, on the other hand, can have been governed by no venial motive whatever. The intentions of the first may be upright, as they may on the contrary be culpable. The views of the last cannot be upright, and must be culpable. But the truth is, that these papers are not addressed to persons falling under either of these characters. They solicit the attention of those only, who add to a sincere zeal for the happiness of their country, a temper favorable to a just estimate of the means of promoting it.

James Madison - Federalist No. 37 - Concerning the Difficulties of the Convention in Devising a Proper Form of Government

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 9:15 AM

Sam_1776/Geordey; we also believe about 90% of Republicans are just ignorant of the facts about our country. The rest just cannot be fixed. That is why we see the good in people. A wee bit of research and a few facts are all it takes to make others see this good too.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 8:29 AM

Yes, I can agree with that.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 7:49 AM


For what it's worth we believe ignorance can be educated; crazy can be medicated; But there is no cure for stupid.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 6:05 AM

McCallumS what do you want us to discuss? I'm willing to discuss anything.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 12:19 AM

Many of you are behaving like children and I see the talk about nothing but politics continues. Perhaps you should all meet in person and discuss your differences or can you only do so where you are anonymous?

-- Posted by McCallumS on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 10:10 PM

By the 2014 elections all of the hype, distortions and outright lies about Obamacare won't matter. The web site will be working well.

The ACA will be implemented. People will find that for the most part they are better off, or unaffected by the law. It won't matter what they are told. It will matter what they personally experience.

Let's see how that goes.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 9:14 PM

Speaking only for myself I've allowed you to drag me down to your level but that is only temporary. I think you may be able to make better points without the insults and with some better research.

Conservatives have valid points but you aren't representing these points very well, just your obvious hatred of Obama and anything that he supports.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 7:59 PM

CB you must not know what name calling is. I'll try to help you.

Name calling: You are a simpleton.

Insulting: You don't seem capable of your own words (plagarism) or thoughts (Tea Party follower).

Fathom that?

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 7:38 PM

To be honest CoolBreeze, you seem to be a more sarcastic, effeminate version of GetRealNow although you both read only Right Wing sites and neither of you seem to do much fact checking. It's not hard to get you confused.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 5:52 PM

CB may be suffering from TeaPartyitis which is the inability to see facts not approved by Cruz, Palin and Bachman. A side effect of the illnes is exasperating obtuseness.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 11:49 AM

CoolBreeze, you are wasting my time to have to keep refuting your falsehoods either because you aren't researching things thoroughly or are intentionally trying to fool people.

The denial of service attack has occurred multiple times. It has not successfully brought the system down, however these attacks tend to bog down systems.

Arbor is a company that monitors web sites for a fee for companies wanting to prevent denial of service attacks. The Information Week article was on November 8th, which said Arbor hasn't seen it. On Arbor's own web site, it is now posting information about these attacks.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 10:45 AM

Sam, the DDoS attack in the article you linked to hasn't even happened. From the link you attached, "Eisenbarth said this DDoS tool most likely can't deliver what it promises. 'The request rate, the non-distributed attack architecture and many other limitations make this tool unlikely to succeed in affecting the availability of the healthcare.gov site," he said. Furthermore, he noted that to date, Arbor has seen no "active use of this software.'"

Your accusation is false.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 9:33 AM

CoolBreeze, maybe when you went to school you should have focused more on basic reading and basic arithmetic.

38 percent want ACA repealed

35 + 23 = 58 don't want ACA repealed either to wait and see how things go or to give it more funding.

Better funding is not "liberal speak" for more taxes and liberals are not the only supporters of Obamacare.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 8:12 AM

I believe the ACA will, initially, be a certain challenge.

We choose to require health insurance for all our citizens. We choose to require health insurance in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 8:48 PM

I don't think getting Obamacare repealed is feasible CoolBreeze.

I'm one of those that thinks ObamaCare should be fully funded in order to allow it to succeed, but even if the Republicans do their best to hold back funding, they can cause some problems but the ultimate benefits, every American being able to be insured, can't be ignored.

"Although President Obama has personally acknowledged the toll that the botched rollout of ObamaCare has weighed on his poll numbers and political allies, a new survey suggests that Americans remain opposed to a full repeal of the law.

According to the United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection survey, 38 percent of voters say that Congress should fully repeal the law so it is not implemented at all.

But 35 percent of respondents say Congress should "wait and see how things go before making any changes," and an additional 23 percent say that lawmakers should provide ObamaCare more funding to better succeed."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 7:24 PM

Rename them the Federalists and Democratic Republicans? Ha ha. That's progress!

-- Posted by Geordey on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 4:05 PM

Rebuild in what ways? What positive suggestions do you have for both parties?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 12:11 PM

I have. Rebuild BOTH parties, they are worthless. Simple English without the nonsense filler.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 10:27 AM

I found a pretty good editorial regarding the general lack of alternatives being presented by the Republicans in Congress. A quote from it is below. The quote refers to the ACA.

"What is the Republican alternative to this government program, flawed as it is right now? There is none. Party members simply want to repeal the health law and let insurers go back to canceling policies at the first sign of a shadow on an X-ray. They have no immigration policy of their own. They have no plan that will stimulate job growth. They are in favor only of shutdowns and sequesters and repeals, giving the public no reason to believe they have a governing vision or even a legislative agenda."


So .... GetRealNow, joe_smoe, and CoolBreeze how about presenting some positive suggestions for improvement?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 10:23 AM

Good quotes and links Dave. I hope people are reading it, especially those who feel that the United States should follow what our forefathers said.

Thanks, BTW, for the kind words.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 10:08 AM

GetRealNow, you should re-read your comment. You referred to the cyber criminals as "right wing patriots" without attributing the expression to anything or anybody else.

I did read the examiner article, with a discerning eye. In other words I didn't believe everything that I read. As mentioned before, it did have two good sources of information which are the links to other sources that I've already provided.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 10:04 AM

"If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure."

James Madison - Federalist No. 51 - The Structure of the Government Must Furnish the Proper Checks and Balances Between the Different Departments



-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 9:32 AM

Sam, it wasn't me that called them right wing patriots, that was taken from the story attached to the link you provided. Didn't you read it?

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 9:09 AM

I'm with coolbreeze, to a certain extent. BOTH parties need a major overhaul. Neither accomplish what the majority of the people want.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 8:33 AM

I appreciate the input that Sam_1776 has made over thepast months. His posts don't strike me as officious, and he offers the pragmatic view that is shared by many people I know.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Nov 20, 2013, at 7:59 AM

It's amazing CoolBreeze that you never have anything meaningful to add to the conversation. You are wasting our time.

ltngblt you've made some good points, some that we tend to overlook. Obamacare is already in and some good things have happened. Now we need to let it work and fix any problems that are discovered.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 10:15 PM

The HealthCare.gov website rollout was just the latest piece in the enactment of the Affordable Care Act--Americans have actually been benefiting from the law since 2010. But that's a fact you wouldn't know if you only listened to mainstream media.

Here are just some of the ways you may have benefited already:

If you have a child with a pre-existing condition--as of September 2010, health insurance companies can no longer deny your child coverage because of that condition, and as of next year, this rule will apply to Americans of all ages.

If you've had a donut hole in your prescription drug coverage--thanks to Obamacare, you may be one of an estimated 4 million seniors with Medicare who will soon be able to cover the full costs of your prescriptions.

If you're recently out of college and struggling to find employer-based coverage in the sluggish economy--you can now opt to stay on your parents' plan until you're 26 years old.

If you received an unexpected rebate from your insurance company--that's because the ACA stops insurers from keeping exorbitant profits instead of paying out significant claims.

If you live in one of the 25 states expanding Medicaid--you may be one of the 400,000 Americans who've already benefited from their new eligibility for free health care

-- Posted by ltngblt on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 4:44 PM

examiner.com is frequently a source of a lot of misinformation. However, in the article that I posted, there is:

1. A Congressional hearing segment link that discussed one denial of service (DoS) attack.

2. A link from Information Week's publication for IT professionals which has an article about it. Information Week is a noted publication for IT professionals. You should try reading it, so that you may know more of what you speak of.

Both of these sources are good sources.

BTW, the attackers are criminals not as you say, "right wing patriots."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 1:11 PM

Sam, if the lame stream media won't even carry your bogus story about right wing patriots attacking the Obamacare website, then why are you pedalling this foolishness? You are usually much better at confirming your facts. I guess we should cut you some slack as it must be hard for you to see Progressivism set back decades by the administration of the Great Provider Divider.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 12:28 PM

If some people don't want to take the steps necessary for them to comply with the ACA, that's their business.

Those individuals have no right to obstruct those who desire to comply.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 11:03 AM

Well now, it looks like right wing groups have been instigating "denial of service" attacks on the ACA web site. These are tools which keep acting like they are getting into the web site so that it bogs down the system, which results in real users being unable to get into the system.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 9:38 AM

Is it an unreasonable conjecture, that the errors which may be contained in the plan of the convention are such as have resulted rather from the defect of antecedent experience on this complicated and difficult subject, than from a want of accuracy or care in the investigation of it; and, consequently such as will not be ascertained until an actual trial shall have pointed them out?

Federalist No. 38 - James Madison - The Same Subject Continued, and the Incoherence of the Objections to the New Plan Exposed

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 8:24 AM

Deny/spin this.


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 7:36 AM

"It is a misfortune, inseparable from human affairs, that public measures are rarely investigated with that spirit of moderation which is essential to a just estimate of their real tendency to advance or obstruct the public good; and that this spirit is more apt to be diminished than promoted, by those occasions which require an unusual exercise of it."

Federalist No. 37 - James Madison -

Concerning the Difficulties of the Convention in Devising a Proper Form of Government

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 7:23 AM

"For we are sent hither to consult not contend, with each other; and Declaration of a fix'd Opinion, and of determined Resolutions never to change it, neither enlighten nor convince us."

Benjamin Franklin, Speech in Congress, June 11, 1787

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 7:20 AM

GetRealNow you seem to be mighty interested in what the Communist Party thinks.

I myself am interested in looking at the facts of every situation, not at what the Communist Party claims to think.

The fact is, this country has two major parties: Democratic and Republican. Both parties have platforms and they are different. People should look at these platforms and decide for themselves how they want to vote.

If you want to want to dwell on the Communist Party, that is your right as a free American, but I don't think that communism has anything to do with universal health care, as defined in the ACA because it's focus is on private enterprise. Communism is about state control of goods and services.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Nov 18, 2013, at 10:46 PM

Banter Box Readers, see if this sounds familiar. It's from the Constitution of the Communist Party of the United States of America...

According to its 2001 Constitution, the party operates on the principle of democratic centralism, its highest authority being the quadrennial National Convention. Article VI, Section 3 of the 2001 Constitution lays out certain positions as non-negotiable:

"struggle for the unity of the working class, against all forms of national oppression, national chauvinism, discrimination and segregation, against all racist ideologies and practices... against all manifestations of male supremacy and discrimination against women ... against homophobia and all manifestations of discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people ..."

Among the points in the party's "Immediate Program" are a $12/hour minimum wage for all workers, national universal health care, and opposition to privatization of Social Security. Economic measures such as increased taxes on "the rich and corporations", "strong regulation" of the financial industry, "regulation and public ownership of utilities", and increased federal aid to cities and states; opposition to the Iraq War and other military interventions; opposition to free trade treaties such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA); nuclear disarmament and a reduced military budget; various civil rights provisions; campaign finance reform including public financing of campaigns; and election law reform, including Instant Runoff Voting. Read the full article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_...

then, WATCH THE VIDEO, www.vimeo.com/63749370

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Nov 18, 2013, at 9:33 PM

I knew you wouldn't watch the video sara-conner. You are the personification of what Lenin foretold: "People always have been the foolish victims of deception and self-deception in politics, and they always will be until they have learnt to seek out the interests of some class or other behind all moral, religious, political and social phrases, declarations and promises."

For Sam_1776 (really Sam, change your moniker will you), "This struggle must be organised, according to "all the rules of the art", by people who are professionally engaged in revolutionary activity. The fact that the masses are spontaneously being drawn into the movement does not make the organisation of this struggle less necessary. On the contrary, it makes it more necessary."

And finally, for our dear President and chief liar, "The art of any propagandist and agitator consists in his ability to find the best means of influencing any given audience, by presenting a definite truth, in such a way as to make it most convincing, most easy to digest, most graphic, and most strongly impressive."

WATCH THE VIDEO PEOPLE. Don't let the likes of sara-conner and Sam_1776 lull you to sleep as is their intent.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Nov 18, 2013, at 9:10 PM

What smart people, sara-conner? I don't see them.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Nov 18, 2013, at 8:51 PM

I'm very anxious for GetRealNow to come up with his own universal health insurance plan, and hope that it is so wonderful that he can get it passed through Congress.

Better get to writing GetRealNow.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Nov 18, 2013, at 8:31 PM

GetRealNow; we're not sure how your plan of universal health care without mandates could work in that the universal part appears to be inclusive of our entire population. But you indicated you could have written a better ACA law than some pretty smart people who accomplished that goal already. We encourage you to write up your own and get it passed as the GetRealNow law. Pretty simple. Then you can move on without being forced to not obtain contraception or maternity care you and so many Republicans seem to be so concerned about.

We don't think America has been falling apart from within so there is very little chance we or any happy, cheerful and educated person will be watching your Grinding America Down full length movie. We challenge you and all Republicans to stop being so angry and negative for just 1 week. It's good for you and the country. If you can't do that then search for the truth and accept only facts for just one day.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Nov 18, 2013, at 6:55 PM

Sorry Sam_1776 and sara-conner; nothing you have posted states that Republicans are against healthcare, just against Obamacare. What's wrong with that?

I will support any effort to stop Socialism from gaining any more ground in this country. My fellow American Patriots; this video tells you the entire story about why Obamacare is not just about universal healthcare: www.vimeo.com/63749370

Sam_1776 and sara-connor; I challenge you both to sit through this video with an open mind thinking with your brains and not your emotions. Then, let's talk.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Nov 18, 2013, at 6:01 PM

Oh sara-conner, how silly of me. Because Republicans did not vote for Obamacare, that must mean they don't want universal health care. Wow! Splendid correlation there, and convenient too. No, the fact is universal health care doesn't bother Republicans as long as as there is no mandate for it and as long as a 55 year old single man isn't required to have a policy that provides him with contraception and maternity care like the abomination that is the ACA. You know, I am not as smart as you sara conner, but I could have handled the ACA better than Obama did. Instead of forcing people to have coverage they don't need, I would have worked with the industry to create affordable optional coverages that could be added to existing policies. In that way, Americans don't have to pay for something they don't need or want.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Nov 18, 2013, at 5:06 PM

We where told Republicans and maybe even some conservative Independents want all US citizens to have health insurance. This may not be the case as this webpage tells us; http://www.dontenrollalaska.org/

Research what the Republicans stand for before you vote. If you agree with their actions, vote for them. If you believe getting health insurance will turn you into a communist, the Republican Party is the right choice for you. We just ask you do your research and accept only facts.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 8:28 AM

I hope that you enjoyed your free government paid vacation Moral majority, while the government was shutdown for a couple of weeks.

While living off the generosity of tax payers such as myself who were working during that time did you feel a pang of guilt for all of the negative comments that you've made about the others who get money for not working?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Nov 16, 2013, at 3:24 PM

How about ALL elected officials follow their respective oaths of office for a change?

Here's the US Senate/US Congressional Representatives version:

Oath of Office

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.


-- Posted by Dan Eilers on Sat, Nov 16, 2013, at 3:21 PM

Obama is my Shepherd; I shall not work.

He maketh me to drive on in green vehicles.

He leadeth me beside the still factories.

He restoreth my phone.

He leadeth me in the paths of idleness for his own name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the transfer of the wealth,

I will fear no weevils; unless they are endangered.

Thy rod and thy staff impale the free.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of people who actually produce.

Thou annointeth my bread with jelly; my pipe smoketh over.

Surely rebates and Earned Income Credits shall sustain me all the days of my life

and I will dwell in a house, paid for by others, forever.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Sat, Nov 16, 2013, at 3:12 PM


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Nov 16, 2013, at 11:14 AM

I posted an article awhile back which said that Independents are no longer a swing vote because they are really Republicans in disguise. They will pretty much vote Republican.

CoolBreeze, speaks like a Republican, but maybe is too embarrassed to say that he is a Republican.

Regarding the Republican stance on the ACA, here is what the Idaho Republican platform says.


Sec. 2 Patient Protection and Affordable Healthcare Act

A. We oppose socialized medicine and government mandated health insurance.

B. We support the repeal of the Patient Protection and Affordable Healthcare Act in its entirety.

C. We believe the primary responsibility for the health and welfare of our citizens resides with the individual and their families.

D. We support freedom of choice and personal responsibility in all medical decisions, including providers and treatments. Medicine should have a "level playing field" for all treatment and branches of medicine.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Nov 16, 2013, at 7:42 AM

CoolBreeze83647; we are sorry for lumping you into the Republican category. Please accept our apology. All this time he quacked like a Republican, walked like a Republican and proselytize like Republican so it follows that we mistakenly labeled you a Republican".

We are sincerely happy you believe because you are a conservative Independent, you can now see clearly the errors and folly of BOTH parties. Please tell us more about this cool seeing ability you possess. Do all conservative Independents have this seeing ability or is it just you? Is there a webpage we can read about conservative Independents because we hear some Independents think Republicans are more dangerous than Democrats. We're interested so educate us.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Nov 16, 2013, at 7:19 AM

CoolBreeze83647; no one is asking the Republicans to debate against or reason with us. Don't like the message we are sharing then stop, look and listen at what you and the Republicans are saying. We are just trying to help you get your message out there.

For example;

The Republicans want you "to believe" the ACA is a heinous and unconstitutional law. We just ask the smart citizen to research that statement to find any shred of truth or fact in their little piece of propaganda. If you do, then vote Republican.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Nov 15, 2013, at 9:23 PM

BO-Reguards you seem to be one of those plagiarizing conservatives that we see so often on this blog. I took one of your sentences and googled it and lo and behold the same sentence appeared multiple times on Swedish conservative web sites.

At least you should give credit to your viral right wing sources.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Nov 15, 2013, at 4:42 PM

GetRealNow; it would be our pleasure to give you some examples of exactly what Republicans want for the people of the USA. Sometimes actions and votes speak louder than words.

You asked about the Republicans hatred of universal health care and we present to you a comment about 12 posts down by typ4dox. Even a group of people out of touch with reality couldn't mistake that paragraph as anything but the typical Republican false-front admission they hate universal health care. But we'll await your decision on this.

The rest of the items that you want citations will again be simple even for a group of people out of touch with reality. The citation is 40+ Republican sponsored votes to repeal the ACA and the shutting down of the government. But this time you'll also have to go to http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform where you will find the goals of the ACA. Just read the information on that page. There couldn't be any more than 150 words to finish this citation.

Hope this help. Please let us know if you'd like more examples. The internet if filled with facts.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Nov 15, 2013, at 2:56 PM

Sara-Connor; 9.5 Million population compared to 315 Million population!

In recent decades Sweden has become a more multicultural nation due to significant immigration; in 2013 it was estimated that 15 per cent of the population was foreign-born, and an additional five per cent of the population were born to two immigrant parents. The influx of immigrants has brought new social challenges. Riots erupted in Malmö's city district Rosengård, which houses a strong majority of people of immigrant background, in 2008 and 2010. The Stockholm suburb of Husby was struck by similar incidents in May 2013. In response to these violent events, the far-right opposition party, the Swedish Democrats. took the opportunity to promote their anti-immigration stance.

-- Posted by BO-Reguards on Fri, Nov 15, 2013, at 2:25 PM

I have largely been sitting out the discussion on Obamacare. I told readers of the Banter's Box it was a tainted travesty and Obama was lying to the American people and the truth has won out. Yet, sara-connor's comments must be addressed. She states, "The Republicans admit they don't want universal health care. They don't want to make it easier to get affordable health insurance. They don't want all citizens in the greatest nation this world has ever seen to have the care we need when we get sick." Really, sara-connor? Name one Republican that has said any of these things. Be sure to cite your sources because I believe you won't find any that have said any of those things. But, if you can cite a source, submit the source to factcheck.org and see if it's true. These lies and exaggerations keep coming from emotional progressives suffering from denial with an agenda to move America further left. For shame.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Fri, Nov 15, 2013, at 10:43 AM

I imagine that CoolBreeze, like most Americans,is unaffected by Obamacare but he sure has a lot of unsubstantiated claims of all of the ill that he THINKS that it must do because after all, it is called Obamacare and he hates Obama.

The ACA isn't perfect and work should be done on improving it and fixing any problems. IMO it's much better than what we had in 2008, a situation where people could not get insurance.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Nov 15, 2013, at 7:46 AM

The Republicans admit they don't want universal health care. They don't want to make it easier to get affordable health insurance. They don't want all citizens in the greatest nation this world has ever seen to have the care we need when we get sick. The other part of the Republican grand plan is wanting foreigners coming "HERE when they really need important treatment, surgeries, and care" yet denying some citizens of the USA that same type of health care. Please spread the word about all these great ideas coming from the Republicans. We'll all be happier for it.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Nov 14, 2013, at 9:13 PM

I still don't understand the reason why we are still fighting obamacare.

We should be able to get health insurance in this great country

if you still don't understand how it works, here are the pros and cons :

obamacare pros and cons


-- Posted by lococabeza on Thu, Nov 14, 2013, at 7:40 PM

If you think that you are misinformed Joe then it's time to get to some reading.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Nov 14, 2013, at 6:03 PM

Sam, the whole country was misinformed about ACA.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Nov 14, 2013, at 3:04 PM

typ4dox you are seriously misinformed about what Universal Health Care means in the United States.

Here is a "cliff notes" description of the ACA that you might find interesting.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Nov 14, 2013, at 10:20 AM

typ4dox The Elkettes are having a bazaar this Sat at the Elk's Lodge. Call 587-9926 for more info.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Thu, Nov 14, 2013, at 10:08 AM

Okay, Sara... even I have to comment on your statement. Universal healthcare means you don't get to decide what happens to your life. Some govt bureaucrat decides if you are worth keeping around. Somebody decides if you get that surgery and if you do get it... you have to wait for it. If you get help from the state you then will have to endure unscheduled 'inspections'... but most importantly... countries with universal health care all come HERE when they really need important treatment, surgeries, and care. I suggest, Sara, if you really want universal healthcare, then you should plan on heading to Sweden. They always need more 'happy' people.

-- Posted by typ4dox on Wed, Nov 13, 2013, at 10:50 PM

Bob8492; the truth is Republicans appear bent on making everyone in the USA as miserable as they are all the time. For example, 1 of the happiest countries in the world has universal health care and is closing 4 prisons this year. The Republicans in the USA on the other hand don't want all people of the greatest nation in the world to have universal health care. Listening to and reading about the Republican viewpoint, they want to put as many people behind bars as possible or shoot them dead or in a lot of cases, both.

Wouldn't you think, as a well educated group of people bob8492, the Republicans would follow the lead of Sweden where they have happy people and a very low prison population?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Nov 13, 2013, at 9:03 PM

Oh Sara, Sara, Sara..... what is truth????

-- Posted by bob8492 on Wed, Nov 13, 2013, at 8:16 PM

Don't have a topic... have a question. Moved here a few months ago and want to sell my crocheted scarves/shawls. Any local craft bazaars I could sign up to - would be very interested. Church bazaars too.

-- Posted by typ4dox on Wed, Nov 13, 2013, at 12:26 PM

I hope all the Veterans and Active duty folks had a very great day on Veteran's Day. And I thank you for your service and I think the spouses and families for their support and sacrifices. Today and every other day I would like to extend my gratitude to those same Veterans, Active Duty, and Families for their service and sacrifices they make on a daily basis. I am truly honored to live in such a great country and have the heroes that I have. I salute you, today, I saluted you yesterday, and I will salute you tomorrow and everyday beyond.

-- Posted by Roy "Lynn" McCallum on Wed, Nov 13, 2013, at 12:17 PM

"I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him." A. Lincoln -- August 11, 1846 Letter to Allen N. Ford

The letter is worth reading as well.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Nov 12, 2013, at 7:20 AM

Yes, she definitely lied if you were to go by the use of the term "lie" by CoolBreeze. I choose to use the actual definition of the word.

She was merely mistaken, as we all sometimes are.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Nov 10, 2013, at 3:10 PM

That Republican hero Ayn Rand lied. She said we're fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion back in the 1960's. Hasn't happened yet except in the minds of todays Republican.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Nov 10, 2013, at 10:36 AM

Geordey, You certainly cannot leave this one out.

"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes...


-- Posted by joe_smoe on Sun, Nov 10, 2013, at 10:08 AM

"The truth is not for all men but only for those to seek it.". Ayn Rand thought so and I think so too. I'd like to see if CB has any facts.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sat, Nov 9, 2013, at 6:59 PM

CoolBreeze, I believe that Sara's response that she believed you may have been sarcasm, although I don't want to speak for her.

I take it from your response to my comment that you really have nothing to back up your "lying" accusation.

It sounds like you don't want to be more informed and understand what is in the ACA but maybe others do want to be. Here is link to a government web site with a certified to be correct version of the ACA with instructions on how to search through it.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Nov 9, 2013, at 5:43 PM

Moral majority; we're not sure what is better. A Republican gleefully taking that free, all expense paid 15 day government shutdown vacation, a serial Republican conspiracy theorist, or a Republican that consistently repeats debunked stories, some claimed to be his own, and cries incessantly others are lying. The quick consensus is we're more than happy to credit you boys with that Republican message you want to spread. The people who don't fact check will remain ignorant. The open-minded and educated will research, accept only facts and search for the truth.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Nov 9, 2013, at 3:12 PM

Yes, Obama didn't state the obvious, which is when you have an insurance law that stipulates a good quality of insurance, then those that do not have good quality insurance coverage need to make a change.

When he said that your insurance would not need to change, he was clearly speaking for most, as in 95%, of Americans who already have good quality insurance and are therefore unaffected by the law.

Those that are underinsured now are going to have to step it up a notch. The law provides help for some of those people.

Obama did not say that he lied. He said that he was sorry that those that were underinsured thought that they would not have to make a change based on his statement.

My advise to you CoolBreeze is to actually read the law and the various conditions that it addresses. Obama left out 11,000 pages of details in his speeches. However, the law is available to read and the government has a web site explaining the law.

Last week one of my client's employees, Liam, was discussing some work that he wasn't satisfied with. During the long discussion it turned out that Liam hadn't read the documentation that he was given. But he still kept complaining about being dissatisfied. His boss, who is British said, "Liam, your flogging a dead horse", ending the long discussion.

CoolBreeze YOU are flogging a dead horse.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Nov 9, 2013, at 3:05 PM

Google HR4646, and see our dear leaders next attempt at reviving a bill from 2010, that STEALS your money every time you make a Bank transaction.

There is no end to the spend spend spend mantra of the liberal left.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Sat, Nov 9, 2013, at 2:29 PM

CoolBreeze83647; you fun loving, ever so cheerful and positive individual, you are correct. Obama lied about parts of the ACA. I admit it; I believe Obama lied based on the links you posted.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Nov 9, 2013, at 1:08 PM

It looks like 60 minutes incorrectly reported on Benghazi recently, based on someone that claimed to be part of the incident, and then Fox News started to report frequently on the same "news" story. CBS has corrected their story. I couldn't see where Fox had made any correction.

Did CBS lie? No, it looks like they made a mistake. Did Fox News lie? Not at first but if they keep reporting the story then that is a lie.

The definition of a lie is to say something false with the INTENT to deceive.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Nov 9, 2013, at 8:54 AM

Obama lied about what, and what is your fact to back it up, or are you the one that is lying?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Nov 9, 2013, at 8:29 AM

CoolBreeze, it looks like Geordie was complaining about people that don't fact check. It seems reasonable to me to provide facts, and accusations without facts seem to be not credible.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 10:46 PM

The minority group that I refer to is not a particular race, ethniticity, or gender but the small minority of Americans that don't fact check what they find on Fox News and extreme right wing web sites. They are content to soak in their hatred of other groups and progress in general.

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 12:17 PM

I see the Obama haters are out in full force but with nary a fact betwixt them. How about facts to support your minority group hatred?

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 12:03 PM

This morning, I got up, put the water and grounds in my coffee maker, pushed the button and walked off, like always. But I didn't get my coffee, it didn't do what it was supposed to do, it just kept all I put in it. You know? Sort of like democrats.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM

We find it interesting one Republican threw up in his mouth at the mere mention of the name Hillary. We find it sad and also quite typical another Republican didn't do any research into the many accomplishments of Hillary as the First Lady. Will another Republican grace us with some astonishing new facts implicating Hillary on Benghazi.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 6:55 AM

I find it sad that one (a registered voter?) would think "spent 8 yrs as white house first lady" could be used as qualification on a presidential resume.

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 12:28 AM

CoolBreeze83647; maybe you'd like to give us a fact based paragraph or two on the wrong doings of Hillary at Benghazi.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Nov 7, 2013, at 9:13 PM

Sara, just an FYI for you. When a person does a LTE of this paper---the paper/Editor title the LTE---not the person who writes the LTE.

Mike, great letter as always. Spot on!

Obama says he is sorry to Americans who will lose their insurance coverage. Well, I am sure that makes people feel better. Made all the difference Mr. Obama. LOL. What a stupid comment on the part of the President.

Yep, change we can believe in.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Nov 7, 2013, at 7:25 PM

Sara, have to admit. You comment about Hillary made me vomit in my mouth a little. Her better qualified than anyone, that is the best I have heard in a very long time.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Nov 7, 2013, at 11:58 AM

Mike Bradbury does have a good Letter to the Editor this week.

In his ramblings he suggests the Republicans should step aside and let the Democrats fail. The flip side to his idea is this stepping aside could result in the unthinkable for the GOP in that the country would thrive. As the Republican led government shutdown showed, stepping aside and keeping the government fully functioning would have been great for local business. Just ask any of your local small businesswomen and she will tell you the shutdown hurt their business badly.

Mr Bradbury wades deep into DNA analysis by stating the known sexual harasser Herman Cain is more black and we guess more presidential than our current President. Interesting fact but highly irrelevant to any talk about the subject of the GOP stepping aside or qualifications of being a President.

Next Mr Bradbury suggests in a way only a Republican can that a woman isn't suitable to be President. The reality is Hillary may be more qualified to be President than anyone in the USA. Senator, Sec of State and spent more time in the White House than any other person who is not dead or an ex-President just to name a few qualifications.

But we do like the sentiment and suggest Mr Bradbury change the title to something more appropriate such as; If GOP had any honor, they'd just step aside.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Nov 7, 2013, at 11:31 AM

some people need a larger ladle......stir the pot, over and over. I don't understand..........unbelievable. Hey......Mike.....another good letter. Keep it up!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Nov 7, 2013, at 8:08 AM

What I mean is that I don't understand what Montague28 means.

I do understand that he/she doesn't like political discussion and believes that it is petty. I don't understand the "agree to disagree" comment and it's relationship to "humility". IMO agreeing to disagree is a decline to discuss further, usually because no agreement seems possible. Humility would be saying, my opinion doesn't matter because I am so humble.

Since the Banter Box is open for all topics, I feel free to discuss political things and respect other's rights to discuss other topics.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 10:00 AM

What do you mean? What did Montague28 mean? Nothing complicated, pretty self explanitory to me!!

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 9:22 AM

What do you mean Montague28?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Nov 5, 2013, at 9:09 PM

Got to love the humility of lets all agree to disagree after what? 2 months of back and forth discussion that doesn't prove anything, but who can be pettier on each other's political views/agendas.

-- Posted by Dan Eilers on Tue, Nov 5, 2013, at 11:11 AM

I found a review of the book ("Double Down on the 2012 Election") with the alleged comment. It's clearly a gossip book, with not a high level of fact checking. I know that I shouldn't read it but I probably will for entertainment reasons.

However, I will remember that the stories about all of the candidates, their workers, and families were dredged up by taking people that knew them out to dinner, plying them with alcohol and waiting for the political story telling to begin.

It deserves to be read with a big grain of salt.

Now if you believe that your father really walked 10 miles to and from school, barefoot in the winter, up hill both ways then you may not be able to judge the validity of information and should probably steer clear of it.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Nov 4, 2013, at 6:22 PM

Sam_1776; our group of coolaid drinking Democrats are almost unanimous in thinking the leader of the free world getting good at helping kill terrorists with drones is good news. While not a real presidential thing to say in the public eye, we're glad he doesn't want to start a full scale war. The Republicans think otherwise is what we're hearing.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Nov 4, 2013, at 3:01 PM

Yes that alleged comment has been picked up by pages and pages of right wing sites, and a few moderate web sites. Probably the rest of the moderate sites are first researching the validity of it.

Obama, with drones and special forces HAS been able to kill a lot of terrorist that Bush ONLY HOPED that he could kill. He has been able to do this without wasteful expending of U.S. soldiers, thank God.

If Bush or Romney had done this, you'd be taking a different position. Now I'm waiting for two simultaneous accusations out of your right wing extreme, Obama hating, friends.

1. Obama said that he was good at killing.

2. Obama lied by saying that he was good at killing.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Nov 4, 2013, at 2:25 PM

From the "News" this am. It is a quote---not my words. Have a great day all. Keep the Kool Aid flowing. Cheers!

"A quote from a new book on the 2012 presidential campaign, "Double Down: Game Change 2012," will surely stoke that interest. As first reported in a book review by the Washington Post's Peter Hamby, Obama told aides in connection with the CIA's drone program that he is "really good at killing people."

"It's the kind of quote likely to make Obama supporters cringe or scramble for justifying explanations, perhaps by rationalizing the quote as either false or out of context, or critiquing the information-gathering methods of authors Mark Halperin and John Heilemann. The writers spent two years interviewing dozens of people connected with both the Obama and Romney campaigns."

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Mon, Nov 4, 2013, at 11:04 AM

Someone said it best.

I can already see that the ACA will be a success, but one must navigate through the adolescant behavior of the Right-wing Republican "hate everything Obama" crowd.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sun, Nov 3, 2013, at 3:36 PM

Good points Sara-Connor.

This has happened many times before. A question is asked and it is thoroughly answered. The response to the answer, because it isn't what the questioner wants, is discounted as a non answer.

It's pretty counter productive.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Nov 3, 2013, at 3:16 PM

Sam; if the weatherperson tells you it won't rain for the next 3 days, but it does, is this professional lying? If your stockbroker tells you Apple stock prices will fall and the price goes up, is this professional lying even if the best possible data was used to make the call?

If a Republican continually repeats known falsehoods in posts and gets called out on this practice time and again, is this Republican worth trying to educate? Seems easier to let these Republicans continue to knowingly deceive each other. We believe Republicans make decisions based solely on the opinions of their pundits, hyperbole and any data that fits their angry, mixed up minds.

What do you call a Republican with a positive, bright and cheerful outlook on life? You can't answer that question because no one has ever seen that mythical creature.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Nov 3, 2013, at 11:17 AM

Like 71 percent of voters in the Rasmussen polls, I think that it is "somewhat likely" that "Obama or senior officials" were aware that "health insurance costs would go up for some Americans". Only an idiot would not have that awareness, and that is just common sense and HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LYING.

The fact is that for most Americans who already have insurance on their own or through their work place, OBAMACARE DOESN'T AFFECT YOU.

For many Americans, they will now have the chance to afford insurance, and the insurance that they can get through the exchanges will be less expensive than if they bought insurance outside of the exchanges.

For some Americans, the young and the healthy, who maybe think they will never get sick, like my son, they have some choices.

1. Be on their parent's insurance until the age of 26. That's what we are doing for my son.

2. Get insurance through an exchange.

3. Get insurance directly through an insurance company which would be less expensive than item 2 and more expensive than item 1.

4. Not get insurance and pay a fine for being a possible burden on society or their family if they have medical issues.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Nov 3, 2013, at 9:28 AM

Very sneaky, posting a link of a poll from September 12, 2012, almost two months before the election. Here's one from November 6, 2012 just before the election.


How about a forthright discussion of the issues? Conservatives do have some good points. You just aren't showing them well. Your hate of Obama seems to override fact checking and legitimate research.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Nov 3, 2013, at 8:34 AM

The zombies percentage kind of illustrates that the poll was ridiculous.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Nov 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM


-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Sat, Nov 2, 2013, at 2:39 PM

37% say Zombies would do a better job running the Federal Government


-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Nov 2, 2013, at 11:38 AM

CoolBreeze, your source takes a cut and paste from the Washington Examiner. The poll was from Rasmussen, the polling entity that predicted that Romney would win the presidential election. IMO not a very credible poll.

You say 71% say that Obama lies. The Washington examiner really said:

"Rasmussen Reports found that 71 percent of voters believe "it's at least somewhat likely that President Obama or senior officials in his administration were aware long before the law began being implemented that health insurance costs would go up for some Americans."

I say, of course health insurance will go up for some Americans. It will also go down for some Americans. It will also enable some Americans that are unable to get insurance to now get insurance.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Nov 2, 2013, at 10:05 AM

The numbers tell the story.

42; times House Republicans have tried and failed to repeal ACA.

1; times Republicans readers of this websites insist the House of Representatives have drafted Articles of Impeachment against the current President of the USA.

0; times the House of Representatives have actually drafted Articles of Impeachment against the current President of the USA.

Republicans like to march around with triangle shaped hats and muskets while waving the US Constitution as their document. Time for the Republicans to act upon the impeachment process in a similar way they have acted upon the repeal of the ACA process.

We'll be waiting boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Nov 2, 2013, at 7:14 AM

CoolBreeze I just checked one of your links but it was clearly another "I hate Obama" link. Do you find these by searching for "Obama lies", "Obama is a bad guy", or "Hate Obama"?

How about some sincere research from reputable sites?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Nov 2, 2013, at 12:52 AM

Hey its not all about Bush.

Your Hero is in there too.

The last link

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Nov 1, 2013, at 11:17 PM

Lies Lies Lies





These web sites are about as true as some of those Moral Majority gives us.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Nov 1, 2013, at 9:36 PM

Opinionofmine that appears to be a cut and paste showing up on a lot of fringe right wing web sites. You should at least give credit to the writing to one of the twenty or so sites that borrowed over and over from each other without giving credit to the originator.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Nov 1, 2013, at 8:49 PM

The government has just passed a new law called: "The affordable boat act" declaring that every citizen MUST purchase a new boat, by April 2014. These "affordable" boats will cost an average of $24,000-$124,000 each. This does not include taxes, trailers, towing fees, insurance, fuel, docking and storage fees, maintenance or repair costs.

This law has been passed, because until now, typically only financially responsible and working people have been able to purchase boats. This new laws ensures that every American can now have a "affordable" boat of their own, because everyone is "entitled" to a boat.

In order to make sure everyone purchases an affordable boat, the costs of owning a boat will increase on average of 250-400% per year. This way, working taxpayers will pay more for something that other people don't want or can't afford to maintain. But to be fair, people who cant afford to maintain their boat will be regularly fined and children (under the age of 26) can use their parents boats to party on until they turn 27; then must purchase their own boat.

If you already have a boat, you can keep yours (just kidding; no you can't). If you don't want or don't need a boat, you are required to buy one anyhow. If you refuse to buy one, you will be fined until you purchase one or face imprisonment. For those that cannot afford one, they will get a free boat with a monthly check for all ownership costs listed above at taxpayer expense.

Failure to use the boat will also result in fines. People living in the desert, inner cities or areas with no access to lakes are not exempt. Age, motion sickness, experience, knowledge nor lack of desire are acceptable excuses for not using your boat.

A government review board will decide everything, including; when, where, how often and for what purposes you can use your boat along with how many people can ride your boat and determine if one is too old or healthy enough to be able to use their boat. They will also decide if your boat has out lived its usefulness or if you must purchase specific accessories, or a newer and more expensive boat. (Cash for Clunkers guidelines will be used).

Government officials are exempt from this new law. If they want a boat, they and their families can obtain boats free, at the expense of tax payers. Unions, special interest and major donors are also exempt.

If the government can force Americans to buy health care, they can force you to buy a boat....or ANYTHING else..

Yeah...it's that stupid...

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Fri, Nov 1, 2013, at 7:32 PM

Here is a web site that Marilyn shared on her blog weeks ago which clears up some of the "myths" about the Affordable Care Act.


I think that people should stop spreading myths (lies) about the Affordable Care Act. It's not perfect, so it should be improved.

If it was so bad, why, CoolBreeze do you feel the need to lie about it, or for that matter our president in regards to the law.

""People think that a liar gains a victory over his victim. What I've learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, because one surrenders one's reality to the person to whom one lies, making that person one's master, condemning oneself from then on to faking the sort of reality that person's view requires to be faked...The man who lies to the world, is the world's slave from then on...There are no white lies, there is only the blackest of destruction, and a white lie is the blackest of all." -- Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged)

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Nov 1, 2013, at 6:40 PM


Who is "We"?

-- Posted by McCallumS on Fri, Nov 1, 2013, at 6:33 PM

Moral Majority, we were extremely concerned about you. We were concerned you grew out of all your cold weather clothes while fattening up at the government gravy trough. That gravy must be all the sweeter to you considering the taxpayers had to foot the bill and pay you for your half-of-a-month vacation you received. No wonder you were so exciting about a government shutdown.

What is it Republicans like to say? "Socialism doesn't work because you eventually run out of spending other people's money and the gravy trough goes empty." How's that new revolution against socialism working out for you boys?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Nov 1, 2013, at 8:37 AM

This speaks for itself, Rest in Peace Brother.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Nov 1, 2013, at 7:40 AM

Pretty sad when you have to take survey to view obituaries way to go MT Home

-- Posted by servedforyourfreedom on Thu, Oct 31, 2013, at 6:17 PM

Clam chowder, World War II wasn't without glitches either: deaths, injuries, lost battles, and more. Like the ACA web site will, it persevered.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Oct 31, 2013, at 11:06 AM

I always said this would be the next step in the LGBT agenda.

Our country in truly truly doomed!


-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Oct 31, 2013, at 8:46 AM

The web page was more complex than a simple web page to do your blog, or a web page to sell some products. It was a web site with multiple pages with a lot of functionality and an incredibly large volume of visits, possibly the largest in the world.

First you have to define the requirements for it, then you have to design it, then you have to perform user testing to make sure that the page is easy to use, then you have to modify the design, and then eventually you get the design approved.

Next you have to build it, then you have to test it, then you have to load test it, then you have to move your test system to PROD. They built the web site (not a web page). It couldn't handle the volume.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 30, 2013, at 10:22 PM

Don't care who said it...Well said!

"March 21st 2010 to October 1 2013 is 3 years, 6 months, 10 days.

December 7, 1941 to May 8, 1945 is 3 years, 5 months, 1 day.

What this means is that in the time we were attacked at Pearl Harbor to the day Germany surrendered is not enough time for this federal government to build a working webpage.

Mobilization of millions, building tens of thousands of tanks, planes, jeeps, subs, cruisers, destroyers, torpedoes, millions upon millions of guns, bombs, ammo, etc. Turning the tide in North Africa, Invading Italy, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, Race to Berlin - all while we were also fighting the Japanese in the Pacific!!

And they can't build a webpage."

-- Posted by UM1233 on Wed, Oct 30, 2013, at 9:29 PM


-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Oct 29, 2013, at 2:05 PM

Itsjustme, great point about Boise businesses knowing they have competition, if they don't deliver they will get lost in the crowd. At some places in town (like the golf course) you do get the impression they don't have a vested interest in what is offered as they must get paid by the hour instead of by the content customer. If the golf course paid based on revenue, they would allow golfers right up until it is too dark to find your ball. In Boise, it isn't just competition between businesses, they also seem to be quicker to pull the plug on employees that stand in the way of producing the results they need. Employees know they need to be on board because thousands of others are waiting for a job to open somewhere. Just because we are isolated between Boise and Twin Falls doesn't mean we are held captive by any stretch. Don't get we wrong, I am not rallying against spending in Mountain Home, I am just offering my 2 cents in response to the city survey that was completed. I know I spend more for some products at P&C than I might in Boise (maybe not), but I don't care because I want to support them based on how they run their business. i can buy a sprinkler head at lots of places, but the experience wouldn't be the same. Even if I had a bad experience at P&C or Shiok it wouldn't drive me away, everybody has a bad day here and there so you cut them some slack. When bad days become the norm, you vote with your dollars and shop elsewhere. On the other hand, a round of golf may be cheaper in town than other places, but I would choose to golf in other places because I know they will be open from 6:00 am until 9 pm any day of the week and I know I can hit a bucket of balls with a flash light strapped to my head. When things start happening that make no sense, or when your shopping gets restricted into boxes that make sense to the business and nobody else, you also vote with your dollars..

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Sat, Oct 26, 2013, at 11:22 AM

Lived here since '92...these are my favorite places to spend money in Mountain Home: Twisted Blondes, Lucky Perks, Waddell and Reed, D&B, Grubb Brother Signs, Idaho Independent Bank, LaMode Cleaners, Royal Touch, Les Schwab, Terry's Truck and RV, P&C Plumbing, Green Pastures, Doug's Designs, Shorty's Towing...I may not do business with them on a daily/weekly/monthly basis but I always feel important to them when I walk in. I do like Frankie's "burgers" but the lack of any general communication with the counter/servers (even when engaged) does nothing to encourage me to return. What makes me spend money in Mountain Home is a positive, friendly, genuine attitude and a belief in the product or service they offer.

-- Posted by justsayingtoo on Sat, Oct 26, 2013, at 8:42 AM

I agree.....Carl and Patti along with their helpful employees, including Baily are a pleasure to do business with. No matter what off the wall item you may need, they will find it in that well stocked store, and until 7:00 PM 364 days a year. Thanks for being there for us!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sat, Oct 26, 2013, at 8:29 AM

On a positive note though, I do love going to P&C Plumbing, everyone is always happy and helpful there. I also love eating at Shiok, my family would eat there every night if given the chance. Those 2 places always seem to bring their "A" game and go the extra mile. I have never run across any issues when I try to spend money at those 2 places!

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Fri, Oct 25, 2013, at 10:33 PM

Cool Breeze, you feel my pain! It was very frustrating to be there at 5:30, knowing it would be warm and light until after 8, and not be able to play 9 holes. Through the door, he told me that maybe we could come back the next day and play. Again, I wasn't going to argue with him about turning us away, but Mondays were the only days we had available during the week due to other obligations. We wanted to get a cart, but we would have been just fine to pay and walk instead but we didn't even have that opportunity. They could have still closed after taking our money. Never in my life had I heard about closing a golf course at 5:30 when it is light until after 8. Apparently they only cater to retired people during the week that can get away at any time of the day? You hit it on the head though, I can't imagine how many others got turned away during the week, that money would add up in a hurry.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Fri, Oct 25, 2013, at 5:06 PM

On the topic of spending money in town. When we go shopping Walmart, it gets old looking for things we use every day and not finding them there. I'll use my hairspray as an example. I use a certain kind made by Aussie. I can buy it at Walmart about every two months. I need it more often than that. Walmart says that they "order as they see it is needed" or "we don't have control over what is sent to us". Call me crazy, but if a shelf is empty for over a month, that means the product is popular and should be ordered.

This is not only true with hairspray, but with many other products as well, one week they are there and the next they are not. We can shop in Boise and get what we need, every time, plus eat lunch at a place not available in Mtn Home.

In Boise, they KNOW they have competition and they are police and helpful, in Mtn Home, again at the Walmart, they are not polite and they will walk right by you like they didn't see you, if you need something. I once waited by the fabric for over 30 minutes trying to get someone to help me and even after several calls over the intercom, no one came. I ended up going to Boise to get fabric.

If businesses want to profit in Mtn Home, they need to step up and earn the business of those around them.

-- Posted by ItsJustMeAgain on Fri, Oct 25, 2013, at 2:25 PM

Just an FYI, Wild West Off Roaders and the Idaho Mud Junkiez, will be doing a truck or treat in the old Auto Ranch parking lot across from Les Schwabs on October 31 from 5:30pm to 8:00pm. Bring the kids by to see some rock buggies and mud racing trucks andd get some candy.

-- Posted by Conservative on Fri, Oct 25, 2013, at 7:05 AM

Man... I should quit dwelling on the spending your money locally, it is rubbing me wrong for some reason! I had been checking the golf course web site on a regular basis this spring for their approved golf fees. I knew that in 2012 they had an early bird special, if you bought your season passes before a certain date they would knock 10% off the rate. I literally checked the site every couple of days as I surfed the net to see if they would offer it again. So finally, I found the fees posted in the first couple of days of April. The early bird special was still 10% off the season passes, as long as you bought them by 3/31. So the newly posted early bird special, expired before it was even posted. I asked the city if they were aware of the timing, and the fact that the special was over before it even started. They looked into it and got back with me, they said I was mistaken, they said the fees had been posted last fall when they were approved. So basically, they told me that I was either an idiot that can't navigate the internet... or I am a liar. It sort of ticked me off, so instead of buying 2 adult season passes and 2 youth ($1,200 plus), I decided I would simply opt to pay as I went. But then we bought a boat and spent our weekends doing that instead, up until the time they turned me away on a summer evening anyway. So I wanted to buy season passes in April, but ultimately didn't. Then I wanted to pay $40 for a round last month, and ultimately couldn't, then I figured my consolation prize would be a bucket of balls, but it wasn't allowed. I clearly have tried to put money back into the community, but for some reason I can't seem to talk people into taking my money.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Thu, Oct 24, 2013, at 9:33 PM

Back to the spending your dollars locally and striking out... I forgot about the Monday evening a month ago. It was 5:30 on a nice 80 degree sunny Monday afternoon when my daughter and I went to play 9 holes of golf at the course run by the City of Mountain Home. Even though it was 5:30 on a sunny Monday afternoon, we were met at the door and told it was too late to play 9 holes, they were closing. I asked if we could just pay for a bucket of balls to hit on the range, but was told it was too late for that as well. So we decided to go ahead and go to Glenns Ferry to play instead. So... the next time my wife and I decided to go play a round, we just cut out the middle man and decided to go straight to Glenns Ferry because we enjoyed that course. And then since we were already there... why not eat supper afterwards? I was shocked that our golf course would close at 5:30 on a perfect day for golf. Again, I am not going to get into an argument on their business decisions, I'll just move on. I can appreciate what the city is urging us to do, support our community financially. But in that case, it was the city themselves that turned us away when we tried.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Thu, Oct 24, 2013, at 9:07 PM

Great job Mountain Home High School Boys Soccer- they are going to the state tournament today!!!

-- Posted by Idahofun on Thu, Oct 24, 2013, at 8:33 AM

The political rambling is getting very very old. It does paint a picture of what goes on in Washington. Why don't you first try playing nicely and sharing some toys.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Oct 24, 2013, at 7:48 AM

McCallum S spot on...

-- Posted by justsayingtoo on Thu, Oct 24, 2013, at 7:36 AM

Mr Mister

I am assuming your post was directed at me personally. This site is an open forum for many different topics including venting about "certain entities of the city". Not only have I "vented" about city entities but I have vented about county entities as well. Reading about political views and opinions can be very interesting until the topic begins to flood the forum day in and day out. Having more new topics and opinions from new readers as well as regular readers would be a breath of fresh air.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Wed, Oct 23, 2013, at 11:26 PM

What about being a personal venting site against certain entities of the city also? The pot shouldn't call the kettle black.

-- Posted by MrMister on Wed, Oct 23, 2013, at 7:00 PM

Thank you so much My-2-cents and McCallumS I agree with you both, that other stuff is getting way old!!

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Wed, Oct 23, 2013, at 9:20 AM

Thank you My 2 Cents and McCallum S...well said...enjoyed the fresh posts.

-- Posted by justsayingtoo on Wed, Oct 23, 2013, at 8:53 AM

My-2-cents, I totally agree with you. Over 10 years long living here and this hasnt changed.

-- Posted by scoutin on Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 10:34 PM

It seems a select few visitors to this site have made it their personal political debating forum. Why you all continue to insist that your party is any better or different than the other guys' astounds me. In my opinion they are all alike, each has forgotten why they were elected or appointed to the positions they hold. Each is out for him or herself. Of course there may still be a few that remember they are here for the people but with an over abundance of politicians in the United States these few lose their voices.

I wonder how it is that this country is so broke but the president can take so many luxurious vacations, how the average American cannot afford to have a life saving operation without jeopardizing their life savings (even with insurance)while former presidents continue to receive monies from taxpayers for expense accounts: example (http://money.msn.com/retirement/article.aspx?post=d14df074-82c0-4972-bd6c-714fb2632c09)

why so many Americans cannot find a job that pays enough to support their families or find work at all while there is an over abundance of politicians whose salaries are so large they should be embarrassed. I do not know moral majority nor do I know or care if what he posts is true or false but some of what is in his current post makes sense, it's time for government to take cuts in their pay, it's time for government to get rid of hundreds of positions that are not absolutely necessary in running this country and it's time for the people to remind them all why the government was created for to begin with.

Finally, it sure would be nice to read more posts on local happenings rather than the ongoing debate among the select few.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM


Another step towards the Communization of America.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 12:29 PM


This explains it for me.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 11:59 AM

Is the foregone conclusion that universal insurance will be available? I hope so because we need this.

On your author, it appears that she has a hard time playing with others, including other conservatives. When reading her article and seeing the false and misleading information I did some research on her. See the link below.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 11:16 AM


More about the wounders of the ACA. The end is a foregone conclusion.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 10:34 AM

So I see the feedback from a city survey shows discontent and is urging us to keep our money local. I certainly try to, but many businesses seem indifferent about caring one way or the other which makes it hard. First example- I have 3 empty "growlers" (glass jugs to be filled up with beer) sitting around at home. I notice that a local business fills up growlers- perfect. But then I am told the only way they will fill it up (which I am more than happy to pay for) is if I buy their growler to be refilled. I already have 3, I don't need a 4th. So rather than waste $10 for another big ole glass jug, I can take my growler to Boise and practically everyone (Flying Pie, Ram, Brewforia, Brewers Haven, etc) fills them and happily takes my money. They are in the business of selling beer, not glass jugs. But I am not going to argue policy with the local place, I will just move on. Example 2- I call in 3 prescriptions to be filled. The place takes all 3, asks me for a call back number, and tells me I can pick them up later. I go in after work, they tell me that 2 prescriptions need to be renewed, and they gave me 12 of the 60 pills for the third, they owe me 48. I already told them on the phone that I had the renewal authorization on me for the one, I wold give it to them when I came by. The other prescription not being renewed was an oversight by my doctor, a simple phone call (from me) took care of that. Why take my call back number if they have no intention of calling me? Had they called me back in the morning it would have been a non-event, but they wait and tell me at 6:00 when the doctor is already gone. And getting a partial prescription refill is becoming too common, meaning I always have to make another trip to get the rest. I am considering transferring everything to Walgreens, never once did I run across issues with them. So I do try and keep my money local, but when the very businesses you are trying to support basically tell you they don't need your business through their actions I don't feel too much guilt for exploring other options.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 10:34 PM


-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 2:03 PM

Moral majority, that was a cut and paste from a viral e-mail that was DEBUNKED YEARS AGO. It makes a bunch of false claims and then proposes fixes to the false claims. One example of many is the false claim that members of Congress don't participate in Social Security. They do.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 1:32 PM

This is how you fix Congress,

Subject: FW: Warren Buffet Rule

Subject: Buffet Rule

Salary of retired US Presidents . . . . . . . . . . . $180,000 FOR LIFE

Salary of House/Senate members . . . . . . . . $174,000 FOR LIFE This is stupid

Salary of Speaker of the House . . . . . . . . . . $223,500 FOR LIFE This is really stupid

Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders . . . . . . . . $193,400 FOR LIFE Ditto last line

Average Salary of a teacher . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $40,065

Average Salary of a deployed Soldier . . . . . . . $38,000

I think we found where the cuts should be made! If you agree pass it on, I just did.

Warren Buffet, in a recent interview with CNBC, offers one of the best quotes about the debt ceiling:

"I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC. "You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election.

The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971 - before computers, e-mail, cell phones, etc.

Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took one (1) year or less to become the law of the land - all because of public pressure.

Warren Buffet is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.

In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

Congressional Reform Act of 2013

1. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 12/1/13. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.

Congress made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Don't you think it's time?


-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 12:06 PM

Interesting post Moral majority, and James Poterba is a respected economist. Hopefully Congress will read this before the next budget is defined and provide a more effective economic stimulus package.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 9:11 AM


-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 8:46 AM


-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Oct 18, 2013, at 7:05 PM

Bazookaman, once again your letter to the editor is SPOT ON!!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Oct 18, 2013, at 1:45 PM

This forum is getting real boring. To many people trying to show how smart they might be. Not any fun.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Oct 17, 2013, at 7:46 PM

A bit concerned about the ads on obituary pages. I can see monetizing the site to some extent. If I want to read a story, I'm more than happy to answer a survey question. However, I think it's somewhat disrespectful to have these ads on obituaries. Just my $0.02.

-- Posted by daniel.alderman on Thu, Oct 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM

**** SAFETY ALERT *****

Motorcyclists are still riding so be on the watch for them. I ride what I consider to be very cautious and took a short trip around town today. I had a person jump in a car, not give a glance of much in either direction and almost back out in front of me. Luckily, I keep an eye out for things like this and no one was coming the other way. Yes it is a motorcyclist's responsibility to ride like they cannot be seen but it is also a vehicle driver's responsibility to drive safely.


-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 6:26 PM

Avik Roy, the author of CoolBreeze's opinion piece, got his biased statistics by comparing the CHEAPEST insurance with the exchanges insurance.

The flaw in his logic is that he is comparing insurance that only a small percentage of Americans can get with rates in exchanges that can't exclude people.

To get the cheapest rate that Roy used, you have to have a good family health history for example no diabetes. You can't have health problems such as cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, and you have to be fairly young.

A small percentage of people would pay more for insurance in the exchanges. Those are the people that can get the cheapest rates by going directly to an insurance company, and not using an exchange.

Avik Roy, I'm sure, knows that he is purposely being misleading.

For more detailed information, please take a look at this link.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 1:20 PM

Logic and facts can always debunk false information and conjecture.

BTW, you may want to look up the word deflection. I'm responding and refuting your exact points which means that I am debunking not deflecting.

The early statistics as can be seen from following link say that the higher numbers appear to be coming from 25-29 year olds and at around the rate hoped for. Much as you want the Affordable Care Act to not succeed you may be disappointed.

The 20-24 age group is only a part of the statistics for young Americans and you are right, this group is not signing up in large numbers possibly because they may be on their parents' insurance policies.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 9:55 AM

I think that it is important that the incorrect comments from some bloggers are looked at with a discerning eye and fact checked.

CoolBreeze, in regards to the speculative opinion piece about the Obamacare web site crashing to hide prices from people, the following link debunks this.



1. does not set prices

2. does not offer insurance plans.

That is determined by private insurance companies who compete for people's business.

In addition to that nothing is stopping anyone from calling an insurance company and just signing up the regular way. You do not have to use an exchange. It is just a money saving convenience that you may use if you'd like.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 7:17 PM

CoolBreeze; As you wish. This liberal goon group, as you so affectionately refer to us as, will take the rest of October off from posting on this website. We don't want visitors to the news website to misunderstand the Republican Party has full and complete control of Mount. Home and Idaho. We step aside in order to watch the fun loving and always cheerful members of the Republican Party try to explain how ObamaCare is worse than the lives lost in WWI, WWII, and even the Civil War.

To the other liberal goons out there, hopefully you will take a well deserved break too.

See you at marching practice sometime in November boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Oct 14, 2013, at 9:10 PM

I've noticed a lack of participation in Mtn Hm school sports. I think kids just have others things to do in part, but the good ol boy way of playing players undoubtably has something to do with it. The best players do not always play. This teachers kid or that coaches kid or a friend of theirs kid, do get to play. As the coach of a team hides behind, "playing the best players", they omit the fact that they arent playing the best players and make excuses why this kid isnt playing. They are playing the players that are best for them and their relationships. The kids know whats going on. They ask eachother why a bad player gets to start and play more than better players do. With the outward lofty goal of "teamwork" and "sportsmanship" they in fact warp those concepts and ruin kids on sports to the point where they dont want to play or go to Boise to play sports. Any parent that complains has to face the coaches and their fellow conspirators so its just one, "complainer" against the good old boys. It should be easy. The best players play and in cases of close skill level the playing time is shared. If we are blowing them out then everybody plays. It's sad that its not that way. Until its fixed there wont be enough kids going out for sports to properly fill out the teams and we'll continue to over celebrate when we get a tie or squeek out a win.

-- Posted by LogicRedundancy on Mon, Oct 14, 2013, at 12:38 PM

Its the American way. Take from the working and give to the ones who refuse to work.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Mon, Oct 14, 2013, at 11:44 AM

This has turned into the three stooges with an occasional cheer from a supporter. After a few months of this babble it has become apparent that ideology and extreme beliefs have over come some of us. I think this incessant babble should be taken on face to face, once and for all. Then we all could read some serious banter. Yes, Virginia.........there is a difference between babble and banter. Have a good day.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Mon, Oct 14, 2013, at 7:57 AM

CoolBreeze; you want to know what could go wrong? The Republican Party comparing ObamaCare to slavery is just one of those things. How about having the leading 2016 Republican Presidential candidate duo of Ted Cruz and Ben Carson telling outright lies about the law. How about Ben Carson telling anyone who will listen Obamacare Is Worst Thing To Happen In America Since Slavery.

Is the Republican Party and CoolBreeze83647 telling the truth or trying to scare and deceive us?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Oct 14, 2013, at 6:56 AM

I don't believe that CoolBreeze will be able to give you the specifics of possibly the only unrecorded American impeachment.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Oct 11, 2013, at 6:01 PM

Sam_1776; we disagree with you at this time. If CoolBreeze said the House has drafted A of I, we believe him. We're waiting for the information on when this super-secret event occurred.

FYI; we are not trying to shutdown or discredit the Republicans. We are trying to defund, delay or invalidate their point of view. So blame the Republican Party for not negotiating with us. I'm sure the polls will agree with us. ;-) See ya at marching practice boys. Bring your muskets.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Oct 11, 2013, at 9:11 AM

There is a reason why Boehner, led by the tea party radicals have not started impeachment proceedings in the House of Representatives.

They realize that despite their rhetoric they have no grounds to impeach Obama. They realize that being a black President and a liberal aren't really an impeachable offenses.

Impeachable offences are treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Oct 11, 2013, at 8:44 AM

It's possible CoolBreeze is playing rather loose with his belief the GOP has drafted Articles of Impeachment on our president.

Don't know what the follow stuff from wikipedia means but CoolBreeze will tells us, right?

"The impeachment process is a two-step procedure. The House of Representatives (currently controlled by the Republican Party) must first pass, by a simple majority of those present and voting, articles of impeachment, which constitute the formal allegation or allegations. Upon passage, the defendant has been "impeached". Next, the Senate tries the accused."

All we ask for is the month and year that this happened.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Oct 11, 2013, at 8:28 AM

CoolBreeze, you are becoming such a sensitive soul. Where have we maligned a Veteran? By copying his bio he provided in that opinion piece you obviously didn't bother to read? Next thing you'll be telling us you get your financial advice from a guy whose only qualifications are he spent the night in a popular hotel chain not located in Mount. Home.

The puzzler here is the Republican Party tells us the president violated, trashed and ran roughshod over the Constitution but they haven't brought impeachment proceeding against him. Yet they have voted to invalidate ObamaCare, the law of the land, 41 times and failed 41 times. Explain this to the world if you would CoolBreeze.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Oct 11, 2013, at 6:11 AM

Well mannered people speak when not spoken to and I like to participate on the blogs in the town that I live in.

I'd like to stick to political discussions though rather than personal comments.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Oct 10, 2013, at 10:48 PM

On the Congressmen that served for a time in the Air Force's web page he says that he has type II diabetes. He submitted a press release that turned out to be full of misinformation. It looked like Sara was commenting on how he described himself and the incorrect information that he provided.

In answer to your question, I'm a veteran. I don't get the impression that Sara-Connor would hold me in contempt unless I lied about something. Because of this, I don't think that she holds all veterans in contempt.

In fact maybe she is a veteran as well.

Liberals also serve in the military and love their country.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Oct 10, 2013, at 9:49 PM

Reid rightly doesn't want to negotiate with a gun to America's head so he won't negotiate while the government is shutdown.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Oct 10, 2013, at 8:07 PM

We applaud both sides for breaking the ice and trying to work through this impasse however, we DO NOT like the idea of raising the debt ceiling. How does a country continue to spend, spend, spend way beyond what it is capable of "earning". And then Sen Reid says about negotiating with the GOP: "It's not going to happen"**. Way to tow the line Mr Majority Leader. Great way to open dialouge in tough times.

**For Sam: Courtesy of CNN International website dated 10 Oct 2013 0655HKT

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Thu, Oct 10, 2013, at 5:55 PM

Kudos to the GFSD administration. Whether it is tobacco, alcohol, or any type of drugs. The football players sign a contract, if they don't there is a verbal agreement not to use anything illegal. The players know when they are using any tobacco (HUKA) they are at risk of getting kicked off or suspended from the sport they are participating in. I know this happened in the MHSD last year. Hopefully a valuable lesson has been learned and the future GF pilots will see such actions will not be tolerated. Hats off to the coach for following through!

-- Posted by BlackMagic on Thu, Oct 10, 2013, at 10:44 AM

Good to see the Republican Party using facts and impressive researchers to develop and perpetuate their political beliefs. The expert on constitutionality CoolBreeze uses is C. L. Collins - GA GOP Member; Veteran of the United States Air Force; Co-authored Between Light and Dark in June 2001 and a Type-2 Diabetic. Ted Cruz, the leader of the Republican Party prefers Doctor Seuss's Green Eggs and Ham as his expert source. Fox News, the first, last and only news for the Republican Party uses satire and parody websites for their expert sources.

We don't find this laughable but we do find it interesting enough to let the world know who the Republican Party is using to fool their own base.

Sorry boss, we had to get this one out there.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Oct 10, 2013, at 9:53 AM

Yup Joe.....A couple people have belittled Mike Bradbury for everything he says or believes. Yet now that he has pretty much gone quiet, the door is wide open for those same people to rant their blather toward anyone they see fit. Lots of name calling, mud slinging etc. Time some of these people see that the whole mess in Washington, not red or blue or pink, the whole mess needs overhauled. Personally I think it's too late as the people like their handouts too much. It's not good that we the people are pawns of the government.....not good at all. But if so many are happy with that kind of life, then I guess we'll all just have to evolve. Hard to believe that Veterans can't be on the capitol mall but a politically correct gathering is invited. Just too much to digest anymore.......too much. Have a good day Mr Bradbury. See you on the range.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Oct 10, 2013, at 8:07 AM

Following this blog is like watching kindergarteners at recess

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Thu, Oct 10, 2013, at 7:38 AM

CoolBreeze; we have come to understand the ultra-conservatives and Tea Party patriots are the Republican Party now. And the Republican Party has show a great deal of interest in letting this country go into default on its legal debts. We also understand the ultra-conservatives and Tea Party patriots like to falsely wrap themselves snugly in the US Constitution while threatening this default. Can't be all constitutional and violate that same document, can ya boys.

While the Republican Party implies the Democrats are building a strawman, that is far from the case. Our whole group of moderates and liberals in Mount. Home are very happy making sure the new Republican message is spread wide and far. It is our belief when the educated and well adjusted people of this country understand the fear and hate message of the Republican Party, their political influence will be very much diminished. Diminished but not wiped out.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Oct 10, 2013, at 6:35 AM

Since you are addressing me I will comment.

CoolBreeze you were insulting Sara-Connor rather than discussing the issue that she brought forth. I corrected this insult.

Opinionofmine it is really easy to support claims with facts if the claims are true. A duck and a veterinarian are beside the point. If you want to make an accusation back it up or don't make it. Isn't that the fair thing to do?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 11:40 PM

Are you kidding me Sam? You all would like that, one can hear it now, claiming we used an "ultra-conservative, Tea-party supported" website? And didn't do our "proper research"? No thank you.

In other news: We went to the park yesterday and saw a duck. We think it was a duck, because it walked like a duck, quacked like a duck and looked like a duck. But we can't afford the education required to be a vet, so maybe it wasn't a duck. Then again...

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 9:48 PM

I can't speak for Sara on why she thinks that you should be aware of the 14th amendment, but she doesn't have multiple personalities. She simply has friends that she discusses the blog with and speaks for on the blog.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 8:55 PM

Wait a minute...you mean the constitution consists of more than the 2nd amendment? Who would have thunk it.

-- Posted by Mercutio on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 1:21 PM

Too many people don't know, or have lost sight

-- Posted by VicVega on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 10:50 AM

I think Sara knew where it came from and was wondering if CoolBreeze was familiar with it.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 10:39 AM

RE: "We're not sure where this statement comes from"

Scroll down to Section 4 of the 14th Amendment...


I'm not suprised that many people are unfamiliar with these documents. If anyone is interested, take a look, they are good reads:


-- Posted by VicVega on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 10:35 AM

CoolBreeze; We're not sure where this statement comes from.

"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

Please help us find the origins, will you.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 9:46 AM

It's easy to show that it is cloudy. Try weather.com. You see it really isn't hard to document a fact. Of course telling a lie is even more easy but some of us would prefer living in a factual world.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 12:06 AM

He is correct!

100% right on and we will be the first to admit it.

In other news: It was mostly cloudy today where we live, but, unfortunately we cannot afford the meteorological equipment to prove it, so...dang, maybe it was just partly sunny. Then again, we can't prove that either...

(P.S. Our neighbor is going to raise the roof, you wait and see)

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 10:43 PM

There is like a 100 or more conservative web sites with the liberal playbook comments with pretty much the same list and words. None of them seem to back up their claims with facts.

That's boring.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 9:25 PM

Kind of strange to comment on speech patterns but those reading the blogs know that Sara-Connor is speaking for multiple people that she discusses the issues with.

BTW, the use of "we" is first person plural not third person. "He", "she", "it" or "they" are forms of third person.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 9:03 PM

As previously mentioned, we believe Republicans in the US House of Representatives have decided Fox News is their go to source for information on any subject. We now also think Fox News best source of information for their fair and balance Tea Party news is satire and parody websites.

Is it true President Barack Obama had offered to keep the International Museum of Muslim Cultures open with cash from his own pocket? May smells like Onion(s).

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 7:27 PM

"A few timid people, who fear progress, will try to give you new and strange names for what we are doing. Sometimes they will call it 'fascism,' sometimes 'communism,' sometimes 'regimentation,' sometimes 'socialism.' But, in so doing, they are trying to make very complex and theoretical something that is really very simple and very practical. ... I believe that what we are doing today is a necessary fulfillment of what Americans have always been doing -- a fulfillment of old and tested American ideals."

From a "Fireside Chat" by FDR about opposition to Social Security (1935)

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 6:24 PM

Trouble2011; I'm not going to even try to educate you on ObamaCare. There is a government website that can answer all your questions. It's become quiet clear however that the Tea Party, ultra-conservatives and almost every Republican in the US House of Representatives have decided Fox News is their go to source for information on any subject.

Just one piece of advice for you and we hope you will consider using our method of researching questions. It's accept only facts and dig for the truth.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 2:42 PM

As far as I know, nobody is exempt from having to have insurance. If you don't have insurance and make enough money then you will have a fine in your taxes.

Most people have insurance already and are not impacted by the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare.

If you think otherwise Trouble2011 please say where you are getting your information.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 1:58 PM


If obama-care is so good and has such great mental health access then maybe we should require congress and the white house to use it instead of them being except from it. The people in Washington need mental health treatment more than anyone.

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 1:37 PM

I hope everyone had a good day today and has a good day tomorrow. Happy weekend :)

-- Posted by just1 on Sat, Oct 5, 2013, at 8:03 PM

No, OpinionMissy, I believe that is Mrs. Roberts serving tea. You may not have noticed that sara-connor was responding to the comment of Moral majority that we should "ban cars".

You also seemed to have imagined that sara-connor made reference to tea. So what was in the "tea" that you drank before making that comment?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 10:40 PM

I don't think that photo is of Mrs Roberts serving tea at all. Could that be sara-connor showing her TRUE colors? She sure is obsessed with the tea thing, scary.

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 8:59 PM

Moral majority brings up 2 really fine points. 1/ The lady tried to get into a car-free zone so maybe we should just put lots of good guys in cars around the White House and Capitol to take care of the bad lady. Didn't the NRA propose this idea? Please forget the fact the bad lady was disarmed by a concrete barrier at both locations so she couldn't use her gun-car weapon effectively. 2/ Moral majority correctly points out this bad lady with a dangerous car-gun weapon might have mental issues. And Moral majority agrees with a plan to defund the same law that could have actually helped the bad lady get mental help. That law is ObamaCare and the ultra-conservatives shut down the government just so millions cannot gain that access to affordable health care. See ya at marching practice boys?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 3:03 PM

This woman is no different than all the school shooters, she just used a different weapon, and the cops were on hand this time to prevent mass casualities. Mental health or lack there of is the problem. But just in case mabye we should ban cars!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 12:17 PM

From the news it sounds like the woman suffered from post partum depression, which may have been a factor in what she was did.

Maybe it would be better to let law enforcement investigate and pray for the poor woman's family.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 9:14 AM

Shots fired on the Hill. More happy Americans sending a message.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 1:52 PM

CoolBreeze, so says the extreme right web sites that are repeating almost word for word what you said without citing a source: "The White House and the Department of the Interior rejected a request from Rep. Steven Palazzo's office to have World War II veterans visit the World War II memorial in Washington." So do you think that Rep. Steven Palazzo's OFFICE (note this is not even Rep. Steven Palazzo) is making requests directly to Obama. That defies common sense.

More responsible news organizations are publishing the truth which is:

1. Congress created a shutdown by not passing a budget.

2. Non essential government services are shut down because you can't spend money that you don't have. Do you want it both ways?

3. When it became an issue on some tourist attractions, the rules were relaxed to allow entry when possible.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 4:55 PM

Here is a Kaiser Family Foundation (Kaiser Permanente) illustrated and easy to understand explanation of the Affordable Health Care Act.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 11:54 AM

Great letter as always Mike. Spot on. It is always the fault of the Republicans and the blame game has started. We are a nation of idiots and fools. Very sad.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 11:30 AM

CoolBreeze are you plagiarizing A-G-A-I-N!!!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Oct 1, 2013, at 7:04 PM

Darn it CoolBreeze83647, it was just pointed out to us your post on September 30th at at 9:24pm isn't even an original post. You copied that whole paragraph from a website called TeaPartyPatriots. Great law may not be disputed but plagiarizers are are worse than a droolpool.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Oct 1, 2013, at 5:39 PM

CoolBreeze if people don't like a law they should work to win elections so that they can have enough votes in Congress to pass laws that they do like. They should not use extortion over the Federal government's budget to try to rescind a law.

I haven't noticed the name calling that you reference.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Oct 1, 2013, at 10:00 AM

The ultra-conservative fact, logic and history as they want you "to believe" continues at #5 as shown below from a link posted by CoolBreeze83647. And remember these are suppose to be hard truths.

| "All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the Liberal. " |

Only you can decide if the Tea Party, CoolBreeze83647, and ultra-conservatives are telling the truth or trying to scare and deceive you.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Oct 1, 2013, at 6:16 AM

The ultra-conservative fact, logic and history as they want you "to believe" continues at #4 as shown below from a link posted by CoolBreeze83647. And remember these are suppose to be hard truths.

| "The ideologies of Liberals must inevitably end in world-wide totalitarianism. " |

Only you can decide if the Tea Party, CoolBreeze83647, and ultra-conservatives are telling the truth or trying to scare and deceive you.

Hey boys, maybe there should be an extra marching practice session when the government shuts down, don't you think?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Sep 30, 2013, at 6:48 AM

Need to watch Stossel's Take, talks about studies done for schools and the findings. How funding for regular schools has increased but learning has decreased. How class size has not made a difference (Bill gates built smaller size classrooms and found that smaller didn't make better) and decided not to put his own money in that part of education. Very interesting information to say the least.

-- Posted by midea on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 4:01 PM

It looks like the money was for speech therapy for special education students. I suspect it was a bill for a time period longer than June, like maybe for a year.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 3:30 PM

dudewheresmycar.........prepare to be audited, spied on and possibly deported.......

-- Posted by goatbeard on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 8:35 AM

I don't know it was somehow removed. Maybe I should have changed my name to dudewheresmybicycle.

-- Posted by dudewheresmycar on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 8:40 PM

I give up,,,why did he receive that paycheck. Please tell us if you know.

-- Posted by MrMister on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 5:43 PM

dudewheresmycar, What happened to your comment?? It was hilarious :)

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 4:26 PM

Why did Phil Raney from our poor school district 193 receive a paycheck in Jun 13 for $15,791.08?

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Wed, Sep 25, 2013, at 3:13 PM

Sounds about right to me, good video!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Sep 25, 2013, at 7:32 AM

Any response Mr. Alexander?

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 3:07 PM

They need to fire their 75 per hour money man Cliff---and get a new person who knows how to budget.

Sell the land that you (the MHSD) say you need to keep because the value has gone down and you want to wait for the value to go back up. Many of us who pay taxes for you yahoos have taken it in the shorts on our values too---and then we get hit with a double levy for you jokers!

Really? Yep, parade the kids around again. Tell us about the "nuclear solution." Lies, all lies. If you guys had any morals, you would be ashamed of yourselves.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 10:33 AM

Heard a talking head on the news this morning, remarking how the United States has become a "hotbed" for al-Shabab's recruiters. Reporedly, over the past five years, 16 people were recruited out of a population of 316 million. That is a very poor rate of recruitment; somewhere around 0.000000016%. I believe that over the same time frame the United States successfully recruited millions more people seeking freedom. On the whole, al-Shabab has lost more than they've gained. The talking heads need to calm down.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 9:39 AM

I don't know if I'd call the school board corrupt but.......I don't know if any of the taxing entities around here know where people get their money. Only two dollars.........Only a few percent.....You know, these twos and fews add up and there are many people around here on their bottom twos and fews. But I suppose we shouldn't mind giving up something we use to survive on to ensure the happiness of the taxing entities. I surly hope that these tax and levy initiators realize that some day they will be older and past their prime earning years and will have to live with costs they're creating. I don't know where the influx of new students is coming from, but in my mind it's suspect. We're paying a lot of taxes around here and not seeing any return on our money. Seems to be taxes to pay wages to fill an office that has no function in a lot of instances. Don't know where it'll end but hopefully some day someone will see the light on this subject.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 7:58 AM


The Corrupt school board wants more money..hmmm. They are already on year three of four of the TWO year temporary levy they HAD to have. Now they want more.

Mark my words they will march out the children and call you a heartless $%#&(! if you don't want to give more. How about some fiscal responsibility and living within your means. Let's start by cutting all administrative travel, training, and other perks. Let's sell the land that the school district owns. Let's not spend money we don't have.

Here is a hint for those corrupt school board members. The people you are try to squeeze more out of are barely hanging on themselves. Most people in Mountain Home are not rich and are living pay check to pay check. If you need more than cut as the taxpayers are already giving you extra funds most can't afford to begin with.

School should teach that you don't reward bad behavior or incompetence.

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 3:21 PM

Is it true the conservatives in Washington DC think video games and their associated virtual weapons kill more people than do actual guns in the USA? Only if you believe you eyes, ears and what a leading ultra-conservative drooled out of his mouth in January 2013. Let's hear it from our local revolutionaries that "guns don't kill people but the fact that video game guns do is all you need to know at this time".


Rumors abound these same ultra-conservative are about to order Congressional hearings into the extremely dangerous, yet 1st Amendment protected video game, while telling us taking guns away from people hearing voices is a violation of the 2nd Amendment.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Sep 20, 2013, at 9:00 AM

So the school district intentionally underestimates student enrolment in the spring for the next school year and Surprise they get another half million(tax dollars) in their budget. If these are base kids what about the windfall from the federal funds paid to the school district? So is the plan to alternate tax ripoffs yearly? I bet you went to the same school as the WECRD cronies.

-- Posted by gmoney on Thu, Sep 19, 2013, at 3:03 PM

Big shock (not really)---Mountain Home School District pulls more bull! That Board should be ashamed---but since they lack ethics, I am certain they feel as if they have done nothing wrong.

Taxation without representation. Good old Mountain Home!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 3:49 PM

Or are they trying to make us laugh? I'm laughing.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 3:42 PM

The ultra-conservative fact, logic and history as they want you "to believe" continues with a post by Moral majority as seen below. And remember this is a fact to the ultra-conservatives.

The word "Liberal" was forcibly stolen and corrupted by evil men who intentionally perverted the use and meaning of the word.

Only you can decide if the ultra-conservatives are telling the truth or trying to scare and deceive you.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 2:52 PM

Funny thing is, ITS ALL TRUE!!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 2:31 PM

I found 60 truisms for liberals.

For those of you who do not know, especially young people, I am compelled to inform you of the generally un-known truth that the word "Liberal" has a proud heritage and was originally a word that described men who were the political opposites of modern "Liberals."

The word "Liberal" was forcibly stolen and corrupted by evil men who intentionally perverted the use and meaning of the word. In the long forgotten past, the word "Liberal" described honorable and principled men who held to a philosophy of government that advocated Constitutional Republicanism. Constitutional Republicanism is a type of government almost unknown to most of the world. America was originally a Constitutional Republic. A Constitutional Republic defined is characterized by a very small government with limits on its powers of taxation and whose other powers are strictly limited by rigorously enforced Constitutional edicts. But modern Liberals are nothing more and nothing less than Communists, Socialists and Dictators. Modern Liberals promote, advocate and enforce the centralization of all political power into an all powerful central government. The honorable old Liberals of the 19th century must be spinning in their graves over the outrageous corruption and modern use of the word "Liberal." Following are 60 Truisms about Liberals:

This was just a short excerpt of the site below,

I am unable to find anything, as stated in this article that is untrue.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 1:23 PM

The ultra-conservative fact, logic and history as they want you "to believe" continues at #2 as shown below from a link posted by CoolBreeze. And remember these are suppose to be hard truths.

The Liberal vainly imagines that freedom from moral consequence can be secured by a collectivist, totalitarian state.

Only you can decide if the Tea Party is telling the truth or trying to scare and deceive you.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Sep 16, 2013, at 4:50 PM


-- Posted by VicVega on Mon, Sep 16, 2013, at 7:20 AM

It sounds to me that CoolBreeze may have no skills for debating an issue and so is relying solely on somebody else's insane stereotypes .... and words.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Sep 15, 2013, at 10:51 AM

The ultra-conservative fact, logic and history as they want you "to believe" starts at #1 as show below.

That is why the Liberal makes "The State" his god.

Only you can decide if the Tea Party is telling the truth or trying to deceive you.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 8:31 PM

After a quick discussion between friends, we want to thank CoolBreeze for the 60 Hard Truths about "Liberals" link. We now have a good understanding of the ultra-conservative and Tea Party mindset.

You guys are not just crazy mad at the entire world, you guys are scared witless of an enemy of your own making and imagination. See ya at marching practice boys because your revolution must be close at hand.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 4:17 PM

I've never seen an attempt to oppress anyone through comments on this forum. We're merely participating and highlighting the contrast between our differing opinions. Some of us have the capacity to think critically, without relying on a checklist; a checklist which when used, tends to display a complete reliance on preconceived ideas.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 11:13 AM

Thank you for the compliments GetRealNow.

I don't "opine" that you should be more open minded. I just think that you shouldn't be grouping people by political affiliation and assigning negative thoughts and motives to them. That seems a little bigoted.

There are good and bad thinking from all groups of people and it isn't because they are liberals or conservatives.

If you want to be a smoker and joker at work, that's fine with me too, and you are right your employer doesn't need my help. He or she will figure it out.

Peace be with you.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Sep 13, 2013, at 10:12 PM

Sam_1776; you are absolutely the personification of the liberal progressive; this is true. You opine that I should be open-minded when yours is welded shut, along with your eyes. You refuse to see the forest through the trees. I did not eavesdrop moron, I overheard. It's a call center, you can't help but overhear. But you might be able to understand that except for the liberal progressive biases coursing through your veins. Don't worry about my employer; they don't need your support. Once again, you disappoint with your dribble. I grow fatigued of your ridiculousness.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Fri, Sep 13, 2013, at 9:29 AM

Sponsored by the Friends of the Mountain Home Library, the first scheduled presentation of the Let's Talk About It program will be tonight at 6:00 p.m. in the Commons Area.

The presentation will be by Archeologist Sherri Robertson and will focus on Idaho @ 150. Everyone is invited to attend and bring along family and friends. Refreshments will be provided by the Mountain Home Library and Stagecoach Espresso.

-- Posted by Mountain Home Public Library on Thu, Sep 12, 2013, at 3:13 PM

As a civilian and a veteran working on the base, I was disgusted to find out that there was no memorial or rememberance of the tragic events of 9/11. next year, I will take a day off and go somewhere that will remember.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 2:39 PM

That was a nice letter.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 1:23 PM

Mike Bradbury posted a very nice Letter to the Editor this week. It's called Library offers wonderland of options and it give us some idea of the happenings at our best public organization.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 9:07 AM

There are many sites reporting on this, just not the Obama supporting ones.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 6:45 AM

The story is true, sorry if the truth hurts.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 6:30 AM

Moral majority posts this laughable web site over and over again. It is apparently his favorite crazy conspiracy web site. Gotta love those conspiracies!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 6:52 PM

Nice try Moral Majority. It appears as if critical thinking ability is what separates the ultra-conservatives from the rest of us. It also explains all those conspiracy theories the ultra-conservative want us "to believe".

-- Posted by sara-connor on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 5:20 PM

These are the people Obama wants to support


-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 1:53 PM

WECRD meeting tonight at the Mormon stake center on Airbase road. Lets get rid of this tax district, I'm tired of seeing my tax dollars spent on inhouse surveys. Where is the 5 million dollars already collected?

-- Posted by gmoney on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 9:45 AM

It looks like you are right Dave.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 8:56 AM

It appears the attitudes of GetRealNow and coworkers aren't opposed to those of the man that said, "We know that America thrives when every person can find independence and pride in their work, when the wages of honest labor will liberate families from the brink of hardship."

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 8:34 AM


Thanks for the info, I was unaware he had a long history of alcohol and stupidity issues. But I think I would rather deal with stupid on the street than drug dealers and others who plan their crimes against our kids and our society. Save the prison bed for those geniuses.

-- Posted by gmoney on Sun, Sep 8, 2013, at 4:43 PM

GetRealNow maybe you could graduate out of a cubicle if you worked rather than eavesdrop on other people that clearly aren't working either.

Yes, some people are on welfare and shouldn't be. They are wrongly taking advantage of the system.

Amazingly enough from your anecdotal story of people at work, including yourself, sitting around shooting the bull, you leaped to the bad Progressive Kool-Aid as a source of the problems.

I'm a liberal and progressive because I want progress. I've worked and supported myself since I was 18 including time in the military. I've never been on welfare, nor has any others in my liberal thinking family. Nor for that matter, any of the conservatives in my family. I know of a relative of an in-law though that is taking advantage and his conservative beliefs seem to match yours completely.

How about an open minded view of the world, so withdraw from the finger pointing, and please, for the sake of your employer, get to work!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Sep 7, 2013, at 5:19 PM

Often times at work I can overhear conversations my coworkers are having (a product of the cubicle environment in which we work). A small group of new employees that recently moved near me was having a conversation about how some members of their friends and family were taking advantage of the welfare system. They were talking about how these able-bodied members refused to go to work because they were making more on welfare than if they were made to get a job. Each person in the conversation had at least one family member or friend in this situation. One person even described a conversation their family member had with an employee of Idaho Health and Welfare in which the family asked if they could get more welfare (to mean dollars). The welfare worker responded that she didn't qualify for more, but if she had another kid, she would.

During the course of their conversation, it became clear these 20-somethings were very unhappy about the behaviors these people were exhibiting. They just did not think it was fair, nor the right thing to do, for these able-bodied members of society to be a drain on a system that was supposed to assist those who couldn't help themselves (their words, not mine).

This dialog was refreshing to hear. I introduced myself to the group and told them so. We talked for a bit and as we did, I became aware of something very important. These Millennial's didn't drink the Progressive kool-aid. They used logic and reason and determined that they would rather be productive, functioning members of society rather than contribute to its moral decay. They understood basic logic that seems to escape most Progressives these days. Too many people on the welfare system, especially those who are capable of working but choose not too, will create an unsustainable burden for everyone. As more and more people take advantage of welfare, more and more taxes are needed to fund it. Welfare abuse hurts everyone but especially hurts those who need it most of all.

The other important thing I learned is this epidemic is real. It is not a product made up by Fox News or the evil Tea Party, as sara-connor would have you believe. Rather, it's a real product of the type of societal imbalance prevalent in America and most European countries today. According to the employees I talked to, their family and friend abusers of welfare felt it was their right to take advantage of these benefits simply by virtue of want of it and it ease in acquiring. This error in their critical thinking proves we have segments of our society who are morally bankrupt, lazy and lack judgment. I see no need to pay for their lack of morality. If you feel the same way, please call or write your senators and representatives today and tell them so. I did.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sat, Sep 7, 2013, at 12:45 PM

Gmoney... I will admit that many times sentences and length of imprisonment seem to make no sense and priorities can be skewed. But after a quick look on the Idaho Repository for that kid, it seems like his mile long rap sheet and numerous run ins with the law finally caught up to him all at once. So while 11 years may seem excessive to you (however- it isn't like he got busted for some juvenile prank like shaving the neighbors dog,he forced his way into a random building and attempt to burn it to the ground) the 10 years worth of wrist slapping obviously didn't do the trick. As far as I am concerned, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. And... Mountain Home is a bit safer without him roaming the streets.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 9:42 PM

Im glad to hear thats all it was. Good luck in your new endevor. It sounds like a huge challange, I wish you all the sucess in the world in your attempts at changing the system, we certainly need it.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 3:39 PM

I pulled it. Had nothing to do with the MHN/Mountain Home News.

I have accepted a volunteer position with an organization writing on/researching improper use of tax dollars and taxing districts that are formed but never do anything or do not live up to what the voters voted for (we have a few of those right here in Elmore County). I have an "exclusive" agreement with the organization---but maintain the option of a Letter to the Editor every now and then (of course!).

See y'all on the flip side!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 1:27 PM

How about you answer the question, since your in the know.

Perhaps she herself pulled it due to the direction it was going. Im not sure,thus the biased question.

You might want to re read the first line of your response. Its a little confusing.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 11:44 AM

What happened to Ms. Lauric's blog. Must have been to much Obama bashing, so much for free speach. She has never said anything that would get it pulled, unless it happened last night.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 11:19 AM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Bus. Mgr., MHNews:
Speak not of what you not know!! But of course there is always that "free speech" clause you've thrown out there.

What a world,get drunk, break a glass door, drop a cigarette butt and get sentenced for 15 years in prison. Deal meth to our kids and other degenerates and get 53 months in prison. I guess Paul's Market owners kids don't live in this neighborhood.

-- Posted by gmoney on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 9:52 AM

Moral Majority, here is a link that will help you go after those illegal and evil St Luke people. http://www.ag.idaho.gov/aboutUs/contactU...

Accept only facts and dig for the truth. Or become a member of the Tea Party and they will tell you exactly what to believe and who to accuse.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Sep 4, 2013, at 8:40 AM

It is still a County hospital and is owned by the state. It is managed by St. Lukes, they do not own it. Our taxes go directly into St. Lukes accounts, which is what I question as being legal. Taxes can only be paid to a taxing authority, which St. Lukes is not.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Sep 3, 2013, at 7:51 AM

The hospital has been a "tax district hospital" since 1986. I think that the reasoning behind the hospital and maybe the YMCA being taxed is that in a sparsely populated area, the only way to support these types of things are through taxes.

It could be argued that, unlike a hospital, or schools, the YMCA is not a necessity, but if the elected officials think that it is needed and they have enough support for it they could have it supported through taxes.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Sep 2, 2013, at 3:32 PM

Your paying taxes directly to St. Lukes also. And they are not a tax exempt entity. I wonder how its all legal? Good old Mtn. Home!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Sep 2, 2013, at 2:38 PM

Hard to believe we have to be taxed to pay the YMCA. They aren't paid by taxpayers in other cities. A lot of people will pay a monthly fee to belong to an athletic facility, if it is properly run. I can't see people flocking to this place after paying taxes and an extra fee. It will become a babysitting facility for the funds assisted people and serious workout people will be driven off. I may be wrong but I don't think this is a recipe for success.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Mon, Sep 2, 2013, at 8:21 AM

From the WECRD Web Page (info below). There is also a public meeting in September at the LDS Stakes Center on Haskett. Why are WECRD/YMCA public meetings being held at a religious location as opposed to neutral ground like the HS/Jr. High as has been done in the past? Not everyone wants to be in a place of worship for a public meeting. Just wondering.

The WECRD will pay the YMCA at least $70,000 (plus) per year to "run" this facility.


It will cost an estimated $590,000 annually to operate the recreation center.


Based on information gathered in a 2010 market study, the business plan calls for enrolling 700 members. Given those membership targets, the Y projects that approximately $340,000 will be generated from membership fees. Beyond what these fees will cover, the facility will require approximately $250,000 in operating monies each year. Once the facility is open, the Recreation District's revenue stream will be directed toward operational expenses.


Membership fees are expected to be $25-45 per month, depending on membership type. There are different membership types available for individuals, families, young adults, and seniors. Financial assistance is available, and no one is turned away from the YMCA due to inability to pay.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Sep 1, 2013, at 9:44 PM

I still don't understand who's taking care of the YMCA on this. They have to make some money or they can't operate. So, are we in a roundabout way paying our taxdollars to the YMCA? Does this put the WECRD in the position of paymaster to them? And are we paying the WECRD staff to count the money and dole it out to them? If so, wouldn't it be better to just do away with WECRD and just hire the YMCA and let the county clerk dole out the money?

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Sep 1, 2013, at 9:35 PM

If everything remains on track, the YMCA and recreation district would begin the process of selecting a contractor to build the facility in the last quarter of 2014.

Pending the outcome of the capital campaign, construction would begin in early 2015 with the doors due to open about 10 months later.

As the process continues over the next year, the YMCA expects it will have a better idea on when things will fall into place, Kimmel said.

--------Question to the WECRD Board (not that they EVER answer questions)---If you are 2 years from even starting to build, no matter what, then why do you have to ask ANYONE for donations? You will raise nearly another 1 MILLION in taxes in that time.

More lies from the WECRD. You folks would not know the truth if it bit y'all square on your butts. What a crock (get that play on words?)!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Sep 1, 2013, at 9:18 PM

Are you talking about the crosswalk lights? They seem like a good idea. Very progressive.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Aug 30, 2013, at 5:30 PM

Well Golly Gee,Opinionofmine!!! Those new contraptions on American Legion are a long time coming. As recently discussed at the Blue Bird café, our little community has had a safety issue on American Legion for years. I am so glad to see the city fathers address this safety issue before school started up.

Now see. that subject change wasn't so bad was it? Now about that pie .......

-- Posted by Amused MtnHomey on Wed, Aug 28, 2013, at 9:22 PM

Mm are you on retainer to those conspriacy theory guys with a book to sell? Has it been like the 50th time that you have posted the Michael Snyder book link?

-- Posted by Geordey on Wed, Aug 28, 2013, at 6:15 PM

Are you Christian, believe in gun rights, here is what the Government thinks of you.



Simply amazing.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Aug 28, 2013, at 2:53 PM

Well golly Andy, maybe we should go down to the Bluebird Café` and chew on something really important going on around town like the brand new contraptions they just installed on American Legion. C'mon Aunt B, we'll have pie too!

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Wed, Aug 28, 2013, at 2:14 AM

Amused MtnHomey

You said what many of us are thinking. I guess some like beating dead horses. You tried...

-- Posted by uncommon sense on Tue, Aug 27, 2013, at 7:07 PM

That's okay opinionofmine. There is help for you on the blog created by Marilyn. She added a link where you can research the myths about Obamacare and then find the actual facts without intervention from other people.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Aug 27, 2013, at 7:01 PM

My complete apology Sam, how dare I should think my "fact checking" was anywhere near what you produce. Shame on me.

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Tue, Aug 27, 2013, at 5:37 PM

opinionofmine you need to do better fact checking.


"Update, Aug. 7, 2013: The Office of Personnel Management issued a proposed rule on Aug. 7 explaining that members of Congress and applicable congressional staff will be required to purchase health insurance coverage through the exchanges created by the law. However, according to the proposed rule, the federal government, as the employer, will still be able to make a contribution to health insurance premiums as it currently does. The contribution will be no greater than that now offered to members and their staffs under the FEHB program, and members and their staffs will not be eligible for premium tax credits made available to other persons purchasing health insurance through the exchanges."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Aug 27, 2013, at 7:47 AM

Well, Sara, according to Reuters, the OPM just passed such a rule "... means that Congress will escape the most onerous impact of law as it was written." Still doesn't sound "fair" to me or my wallet, but then again, it's government, and they're here to help.

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 11:12 PM

Yeah, unending discussions on politics AND religion.....

-- Posted by McCallumS on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 10:52 PM

Wow! I find that I take a quick look and stop reading because of the political garbage being posted. I can without a doubt tell you that you will not change my mind or each others minds with all of this ranting. A big fat waste of energy.

-- Posted by Amused MtnHomey on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 10:22 PM

opinionofmine, sometimes when something doesn't seem right about what you read or hear you may want to check the facts.

I know the Tea Party and people who stand further right than that group want you "to believe" that Congress plus their staff members were exempted in a deal signed by our president BEFORE the summer recess. I'm not into the proving and disproving game the ultraconservatives want the majority of American to play. We just ask you look at the facts and look for the truth.

Lets just say your representatives in the United States Congress will be making a choice soon enough; Obamacare or obtain their own insurance on the open market. Of course they can also forgo insurance, pay the tax/fine/fee and risk a catastrophic sickness that would jeopardize their vast financial holdings. You'll likely be able to participate in this game of chance no matter what the Tea Party wants you "to believe".

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 9:21 PM

"Millions of Americans can continue to go without proper healthcare" but you (conveniently?) forgot to mention that Congress plus their staff members were exempted in a deal signed by our president BEFORE the summer recess? Something doesn't seem right about this.

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 8:54 PM

Moral majority did you mean voracity (insatiable appetite) or veracity (truth?

I can question anyone's veracity including yours. I'd like to note that you jumped to a wild conclusion and committed a falsity (opposite of veracity) about me and other liberals by saying "typical Godless liberal".

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." --- God (Commandment 9)

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 5:00 PM

I agree, this banter box should be about local issues and politics. Leave the national politics to other media outlets.

I tried to lookup the website for the Eastern Elmore County Recreation District and Google did not find one. Does this mean they are better caretakers of the tax dollars they receive. Spending their resources on recreation, unlike the Western Elmore County Recreation district that has spent our tax dollars on everything but recreation the last 13 years. Go to their website and total up the amount/percent contributed to recreation of the five million dollars collected during their existence. You will be shocked and #$$###.

-- Posted by gmoney on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 4:24 PM

ALL prayer is prayer, who are you to judge the voracity of someone elses prayer. Typical Godless liberal.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 3:37 PM

Silly, stupid, and frivolous praying mocks God, Moral majority. Support for silly, stupid, and frivolous praying is silly and stupid.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 3:35 PM

Would be awesome to have a separate banter box or forum for politics. One track minds.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 2:35 PM

Wrong, making fun of anyone praying is mocking GOD!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 1:00 PM

Sam 1776, we're now very sure the coming Tea Party "grass-roots tsunami" will convince President Obama to defund the ACA by Oct 1st and declare the whole law null and void by Jan 2014. Anyone not believing should head straight to the nearest FEMA camp or wait for the Tea Party black helicopter squadron to pick them up. Revolution is just days away and only the true American Patriots know who will be on King George's side. Become a "Cruz-ader". Become a believer. Join the Tea Party so you can ensure millions of Americans can continue to go without proper health care.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 6:55 AM

I would have mentioned it if it were true. It's just crazy conspiracy theories that have no facts to back them up. Keep hoping GetRealNow. Their must be a plot somewhere to do the country wrong and don't give up hope, maybe someone can link it to Obama. Maybe one of his teachers in grade school burned a flag or something. I'm sure that you can blame Obama for that.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 7:02 PM

Sam_1776; you forgot to mention that it's all true.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 2:49 PM

GetRealNow, you seem to be obsessed by Obamacare, desperate to find anything negative no matter how disreputable the web sites, or how outdated the information that you have to use.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 2:46 PM

As of February 11, 2001, 700 (729) companies had been exempted from Obamacare; "over 700 companies are now exempt from the requirements of Obamacare? Not only are there over 700 companies that are exempt from Obamacare, but a big percentage of those who are asking for exempt status are Obama supporters. Forty percent of the workers represented come from Unions and for the most part the Unions supported Obamacare. Now they are asking for exemptions. Why?" Read more:


For a list of the more than 700 companies exempted by the President, look here:


Unions don't want anything to do with Obamacare because they fear that they can't keep their health plans as was promised and that Obamacare will "destroy the foundation of the 40-hour work week." In a letter to Pelosi, a group of unions stated; "When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class."

From the same article; "Another union feeling a little threatened by Obamacare is the National Treasury Employees Union, the union representing most IRS employees. They're concerned that a piece of legislation sponsored by Congressman Dave Camp would force them to lose their current federal government healthcare and to be dumped in the Obamacare exchange market."


Congressional leaders on both sides of the aisles don't want to participate in the exchanges, as reported by Politico; "Congressional leaders in both parties are engaged in high-level, confidential talks about exempting lawmakers and Capitol Hill aides from the insurance exchanges they are mandated to join as part of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, sources in both parties said.


American Indians are exempt; "The Obama administration on Wednesday broadened an exemption for American Indians from the new health care law's requirement that virtually every U.S. resident has health insurance starting next year."


How can Obamacare survive with so many exemptions? Simple; by passing the costs onto the remaining persons who are not lucky enough to have been exempted. This is corruption of the highest magnitude. It is a blatant violation of the 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 12:52 PM

You know Sam_1776; I could have just bet that would be your take. rationalwiki is hardly a credible source to tell others what is or is not rational. NewsMax will print what the liberal media refuses too and that makes it dangerous to outlets such as rationalwiki. It cuts against their grain. Funny, you didn't have anything to say about the liberal sources I used in my piece. They agreed with NewsMax. Now for exceptions granted by President Obama.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 12:49 PM

Sorry GetRealNow but your links are questionable. To not waste too much time, I'll focus on Newsmax.

Newsmax is run by conspiracy theorist Christopher Ruddy. According to rationalwiki "Its website is dominated by shock news,[2] moral outrage,[3] conspiracies,[4] and trashy advertising for dubious "get rich quick" schemes, quack medicines/workout programmes, and publications that feature ads for similar products.[5] Some of this is regurgitated monthly in print form, though is seldom seen at news stands.

Newsmax is popular with the type of people who read WorldNetDaily; both outlets feature similar world views of a idealised conservative God-fearing America besieged by godless libruls, filthy sodomites, evil terrorists, and diseased illegal aliens. However, they managed to even outwingnut WND when one of their contributors called on the military to overthrow Obama in a coup,[6] saying that it would "restore and defend the Constitution." Yes, removing a President elected by the largest margin in decades would restore the Constitution."

I imagine that it is vey difficult to find a conspiracy in reputable news organizations, but you really should give those a try. I myself, find MSNBC entertaining, but I go elsewhere for less biased, more factual information.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 12:12 PM

sara-connor that piece was hilarious! LMAO!

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 9:38 AM

Repeal ObamaCare because similar programs don't work in other countries? Because some companies don't like it? Because it may increase costs? Because it sounds like socialism? Because we see secret back room deal conspiracies?

You've heard it at least a few times during your life. The USA is the greatest nation in the world. But according to the Tea Party, one of their main goals is to repeal a law that hasn't even been fully implemented because "they think". And in many cases "they think" with their political brain instead of their real brain. Is it possible the greatest people in the greatest nation could pass a law and improve upon that law? Apparently the Tea Party doesn't think so as they are forever telling us we are going downhill fast.

Just think if other great people gave up like the Tea Party wants to do. Oh well, there is no way anyone could walk on the moon, right? G Washington was defeated and on the run and like the Tea Party, he could have said, we think we could lose so lets quit. Henry Ford could have gave up after going bankrupt 5 times. If Apple computer and Steve Jobs looked at the nay-sayer Tea Party and said, yeah I failed at first so I quit, where would they be. Edison discovered 1000 ways not to make a light bulb but didn't give up like the lightless Tea Party would have done. The Tea Party might want to get a little inspiration from two brothers who crashed and got hurt a number of times before eventually soaring into the skies on a set of home made wings.

ObamaCare is the law of the land. We now highly encourage all Tea Party members march, scream, protest and obstruct the law of the land. Please, make it loud and undeniably flashy. We dare you to turn up the volume on your "We hate ObamaCare" nonsense. Get your Revolutionary War uniforms out and put on a display like has never been seen since 1776.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 7:44 AM

If 15% of Americans have no health insurance (as reported in the news), why do the 85% who do, need to have this mandated?

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 3:27 AM

Sam_1776; let me know when you're ready to move onto my accusations about exemptions; I can't wait.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sat, Aug 24, 2013, at 1:50 PM

Sam_1776 you asked me to pick one accusation; let's start with the secret meetings with the pharmaceuticals and see where that takes us. This began in 2009 and 2010 as Obama was lobbying for passage of Obamacare and refused to provide details of the meetings with Congress: "The investigation is exposing a tenuous relationship that has developed between the industry and Washington since passage of a law that expanded health insurance to more than 30 million Americans."


And...How Obama could have used his position to lower drug costs but sold all of us out to push his health care agenda (a deal which will double the costs of prescriptions over the next 10 years)


And..."If there was any doubt remaining whether or not Barack Obama has [s]old out, it completely vanished with the recent news that he had cut a dirty deal with the pharmaceutical industry over health care costs. In exchange for promises by the pharmaceutical companies of 80 billion dollars in future health care savings, President Obama has pledged NOT to use its immense purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices."


And from 2012..."The Chicago Tribune reported that the healthcare industry agreed, as part of the plan, to funnel $70 million to two groups, Healthy Economy Now and Americans for Stable Quality Care, which were running advertisements supporting reform."


And..."Three years ago, President Obama cut a secret deal with pharmaceutical company lobbyists to secure the industry's support for his national health care law. Despite Obama's promises during his campaign to run a transparent administration, the deal has been shrouded in mystery ever since. But internal emails obtained by House Republicans now provide evidence that a deal was struck and GOP investigators are promising to release more details in the coming weeks"


United Healthcare gained allot from endorsing Obamacare too. AARP is the most public face of United Healthcare. They have already ensured a billion dollars from their support and another $1.8 billion anticipated by supporting the legislation; "Obamacare cuts $716 billion from Medicare in order to pay for its $1.9 trillion expansion of coverage to low-income Americans. It's one of the reasons why seniors are more opposed to the new health law than any other age group. So why is it that the group that purports to speak for seniors, the American Association of Retired Persons, so strongly supports a law that most seniors oppose? According to an explosive new report from Sen. Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), it's because those very same Medicare cuts will give the AARP a windfall of $1 billion in insurance profits, and preserve another $1.8 billion that AARP already generates from its business interests."


Recently, United Healthcare was awarded the largest region of military health care, the West region. Could this have been a payoff for supporting Obamacare?

On March 16, 2012, the United States Department of Defense announced the award of the TRICARE T3 Managed Care Support Contract for the TRICARE West Region to UnitedHealth Military & Veterans Services (UMVS) a UnitedHealthcare company.


Obamacare is tainted, plain and simple. Repeal Obamacare now!

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sat, Aug 24, 2013, at 1:45 PM

To MM and Midea

Who the store owners are should not be a factor in the eyes of the court or prosecutor. You say that because they are good neighbors lets hang the man because he was caught on video wandering around the store, nothing was stolen, he turned himself in and its a first offence. Prison is no joke and should not be a factor in vandalism cases. Prison should be for the drug dealers,rapist,murderers and the many white collar crime like mortgage fraud, tax fraud and any crime where intent and planning is required. I don't think this man woke up that morning and planned to get drunk and walk around Pauls Market after hours. He should pay reasonable restitution to the owners for repairs. Not tens of thousands of dollars as claimed.

-- Posted by gmoney on Sat, Aug 24, 2013, at 11:29 AM

MM Nice try ! The "LOL' was clearly meant for you and Bachmann, certainly not for God ! Now try and have a nice day..........

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Aug 24, 2013, at 10:23 AM

Moral majority, clearly Michelle Bachmann was being mocked not, God. Nice jumping to the wrong conclusion though. I think that qualifies you to be a Tea Party member.

Just go to teaparty.org and join. They said that you get lots of great stuff for joining.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sat, Aug 24, 2013, at 8:55 AM

Mock GOD,no surprise there.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Aug 23, 2013, at 10:49 PM

And the Queen of the Tea Party wanted to Pray Gayness away! lol!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Aug 23, 2013, at 9:34 PM


The tea party is all American. They are nothing like these people in Las Vegas.

The tea party wants to stop corruption.

The tea party wants to balance the budget.

The tea party wants our government to stop spending money we don't have.

The tea party wants people to have PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY.

That is pretty much it....

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Fri, Aug 23, 2013, at 6:08 PM

I had no idea I was a member of the Tea Party, thank you Kreskon.

I will leave you with no doubt who I want to take the fight to.

Anyone who would subvert, corrupt, Ignore the COSTITUTION, be they foreign or domestic. That's the OATH I took, and I did not take it lightly!!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Aug 23, 2013, at 5:55 PM

This article sounds like the Tea Party members around Mt Home. Mike Bradbury, GetRealNow and Moral Majority are just a few that have expressed a desire for a new American Revolution while conveniently leaving out who they want to take the fight to.


Doesn't the anti-government Sovereign Citizens movement sounds very similar to the Tea Party movement?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Fri, Aug 23, 2013, at 5:23 PM

CoolBreeze, I have seen this before and to answer your question, I think we are between apathy and dependency, going downhill rapidly. Sad, sad, sad.

-- Posted by DANSHL on Thu, Aug 22, 2013, at 8:25 PM

Steve and Stan Zatica own Pauls, they have been VERY GOOD neighbors to this community, and certainly were victimized by this individual, No mercy here. Like I said do the crime, do the time. He was tough enough to break in the store and vadalize it, its time to see if hes tough enough to pay for his crime. Prison is supposed to miserable!!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Aug 22, 2013, at 3:30 PM


How do you figure there was no victim in that young mans crime. There was a victim: The store owner. The store owner has to repair the damage. The store owner had to change the way some things worked in the store in order to continue business. The store owner had to take time to hire someone and pay someone for the repairs. That was the store owners property. He was a victim of this young mans crime. There was a victim in this crime. This young man entered this persons property and damaged it. Yes, there was a victim.

-- Posted by midea on Thu, Aug 22, 2013, at 1:53 PM

Mike has the arrogance to assume that anybody that doesn't have his political beliefs did not serve in the military and were never in battle.

I've seen his lament about his Vietnam tour of duty before and I'm tired of it. How many times does he need to be thanked for his service?

He has many false accusations about groups of people.

Defend him all you want but if he can't keep his facts straight, and can't lay off on his lies about groups of people he deserves some negative comments about his comments.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Aug 22, 2013, at 12:06 PM

Do the crime, do the time. The drug dealers on the other hand dont have to plead at all, they are allowed to stay in buisness if they become a Confidential Informant, I have watched this go on in this town for more than 20+ years.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Aug 22, 2013, at 11:50 AM

I just heard that the young man involved in the vandalism of Pauls Market last January is facing a year in prison. I consider myself tough on crime but I think this is excessive. He is a first offender and alcohol was a factor. If he had been driving a vehicle and drove into the store he would have been charged with less. Our local prosecutor is tough on locals without powerful contacts. Why destroy a young mans future over a victimless crime when local drug dealers with connections are allowed to plea down their case.

-- Posted by gmoney on Thu, Aug 22, 2013, at 11:16 AM

How is it that the Local School district does not have to use the alternate day watering? The sprinklers at West Elem. run seven days a week on a playground that is hardly used. Quite often they run twice a day. It does NO GOOD to contact the district office.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Thu, Aug 22, 2013, at 9:51 AM

I dunno.....in the future Mike will probably be known as a psychic. I'm not fully understanding what is going on anymore. I feel "There are none so blind as those who will not see". And I certainly can't comprehend what good being snide and calling names accomplishes. . If your happy with the way things are today, more power to you. Enjoy while you can. But I really can't deny the points that MIke makes. I don't think he's pulling his statements from thin air. All one has to do look at the news, at what's happening here these days. I can't belittle you if you're excited about where we are in this country today. That doesn't mean we all are. Have a good day.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Aug 22, 2013, at 8:08 AM

Never had one. You are truely pitifull, Because I say I like Mr. Bradburys comment, you have to throw out your snide little remark. progressive liberals, go figure.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Aug 22, 2013, at 7:35 AM

An interesting piece of fiction with a little bit of "David Copperfield" and "Les Miserables" thrown in. Moral majority did you get rid of your worm?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Aug 21, 2013, at 4:39 PM

Great letter in the comments section Mike!!! How right you are.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Aug 21, 2013, at 12:26 PM

I disagree with most of what you said and think that you are incorrect on a lot of your facts.

Why not pick one accusation and back it up, or back up the fifty accusations. I'll respond to one or two of them if you provide more information on what you are talking about.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Aug 20, 2013, at 4:25 PM

I know otherwise. It simply cannot be justified; not in how it came to pass and the criminal brokering that has happened since it was passed. Supporting this law is not possible; not for me. Not because I don't wish people to have health insurance like sara-connor would like to believe; because I would like nothing better. It's because of the very shadiness of how it was passed and the history of all the exemptions to special interests, government agencies and political donors. And its because of those very exemptions I know Obamacare would not survive without the individual mandate. Who's going to pay the shares of the exempted, Sam_1776? Who gets that burden to society? You and I and everyone not fortunate enough to have been granted favoritism. Remember when I said this; "Rather than work towards consensus and try to openly achieve common goals, they broker back room deals with insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, and unions to create legislation to force others to concede to their thinking. Then, they exempt the unions and government agencies such as the IRS as well as their donor corporations from the law passing that lost revenue onto us, the consumers. They do this by taxing the companies that build the equipment many need for their healthcare and by increasing our premiums." It's all true and I have heard no argument otherwise.

President Obama hasn't solved anything, he just shifted things around a bit, confused everyone a lot and the truth is we're right back where we started. The burden to society is too much government. No, Obamacare is tainted and ugly and I won't support it.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Tue, Aug 20, 2013, at 12:11 AM

It will survive without the individual mandate, and those that choose to not have insurance will continue to be the burden of society.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 8:04 PM

Will Obamacare survive without the individual mandate?

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 7:14 PM

This is how I think that auto insurance is related to Obamacare.

Auto insurance is something that you pay in order to not be a burden on society. It's true that you don't have to have it if you don't drive a car, however if you aren't driving a car you aren't responsible for an auto accident therefore causing you to be a burden on society.

Medical and dental insurance is something that you pay for you or your dependents to not be a burden on society.

Obamacare forces very few people to have insurance and it makes it easier for some people to be able to afford insurance and to not be denied insurance due to a previously existing condition. People can buy insurance from private companies, pay extra taxes for being a possible burden on society, or buy insurance through the exchanges which are online marketplaces where insurance companies compete.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 3:54 PM

When doing a search for the words used in Moral Majority's comments my top search resulted in a web site that infected my computer with blaster.worm. I had to move to another computer to send this warning.

Moral majority, when you took other people's words to use as your own, I hope that you didn't get infected.

-- Posted by Podkaine on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 1:19 PM

Like Johnson's "Great Society" that bankrupted Social Security, Obamacare will add the final coffin tack to freedom of choice and free markets in America. These political psychopaths, drunk on power, have recklessly maneuvered our ship of state on to the rocks. Their costly one-size-fits-all social-engineering and collectivism have turned the world's largest lender nation into the greatest debtor nation and destroyed its free-enterprise system. Such is the legacy of big government. But big business is also responsible for America's demise with its off-shoring of vital industry and jobs, its corporate monopolization of the domestic and "global economy," its endless wars to enrich the corporate merchants of war and its stashing of trillions-of-dollars of untaxed corporate profits in the Caimans and other off-shore bank accounts. We trust big government and big business at our own peril

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 9:43 AM

Sam_1776, it is insurance but I respectfully disagree that the Affordable Care Act is not socialized medicine; many have argued it is the stepping stone to socialized medicine. But let's put that argument aside and agree to disagree as we have on other issues.

I also fail to see the correlation between auto insurance and Obamacare. Auto insurance is private insurance. Driving an automobile is a privilege, a choice; you are not required to get auto insurance if you choose not to or are unable to drive. There are no penalties for not having automobile insurance if you don't drive and you are not taxed to supplement it. These are important distinctions. In Obamacare, you are mandated to have it whether sick or not, taxed in multiple ways to supplement it whether you want to support it or not and penalized for not having it. The government has performed miserably with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid; why in the world would a sane person expect it to perform any better with universal health insurance? The only reason for the mandate is because it would die a quick death without forcing people to get it.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 9:41 PM

GetRealNow, I was talking about the Affordable Health Care Act which has to do with insurance not with socializing medicine.

I have good insurance through my employer and I pay extra for the deluxe insurance package through my employer because I want the best when it comes to health care for me and for my family. That is capitalism not socialism.

I don't think that there are any laws being discussed that socialize medicine. Just like requiring people to have insurance when they drive a car Obamacare will require people to have insurance in case they get sick and to take care of their families. If they truly can't afford it, the government will help.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 9:03 PM

sara-connor you stated, "Europe, Canada and Australia have universal health care and they are still standing." Let's look at Canada, shall we?

From: http://voices.yahoo.com/socialized-medic...

Nobody wants their neighbors to go without health care, and socialized medicine promises health care for all, regardless of financial situation. Unfortunately, socialized medicine has many problems. Previously, I have written about health care in Europe. America's neighbor to the north, Canada, also has problems with its health care system. Canada often has doctor shortages and waiting lists that cause wealthier patients to travel to the United States for care. The following are some examples of why Canada's health care system is lacking.

Waiting Times for Treatment

Canadians wait an average of 18.3 weeks to receive the surgery that they need, according to the CBC News. For some treatments, the wait is considerably longer. Patients needing orthopedic surgery might have to wait more than 38 weeks, and patients needing neurosurgery might have to wait 27 weeks. Many cardiac arrests in Canada could be prevented by using an implantable defibrillator, but the wait time is so long, sometimes doctors don't even bother to refer their patients to get one. Children routinely wait months to more than a year for "elective" surgeries like having their tonsils taken out, having tubes put in their ears to prevent ear infections, saving their sight by surgically realigning their eyes, or removing benign tumors from their faces.

PET Scans Not Covered for Cancer Patients

Ontario routinely doesn't cover PET scans for cancer patients. PET scans are more accurate than CT scans, but it currently is available only in clinical trials. Some patients go to a private clinic and pay out of pocket. They can usually be seen within a week. The median wait time for a CT scan, which is covered, is nearly five weeks.

Doctor Shortage Results in Physician Turning Away Patient for Being Over 55

Dr. Derek Nesdoly was advertising for new patients, but when Edith Paulus, age 59, called to ask about being a patient, she was turned away because she was older than 55. There are not enough doctors in Canada to treat everyone that needs to be treated. Nearly 1.5 million Canadians cannot find a family physician. Canada needs about 15,000 more doctors, yet there aren't even that many students in medical schools today.

Canadians Have a Higher Risk of Death After Heart Attack

In a study published in the medical journal Circulation: Journal of the American Heart Association, Canadians were discovered to have a higher rate of death after a heart attack than U.S. citizens. In the United States, patients have a death rate of 19.6% after suffering from a heart attack due to a completely blocked coronary artery; in Canada, the rate was 21.4%. Americans are more likely to receive more aggressive treatment like angioplasty or bypass surgery, while Canadians are usually just given medication.

Health care in the United States is not perfect. The cost is high, and some people fall through the cracks. The answer is not socialized medicine. In Canada, socialized medicine has led to doctor shortages, long wait times, and necessary care that is not covered.

Some other interesting facts about Canada's healthcare can be found at these links:

"Cancer Patients Question Why PET Scan Not Covered." CBC News, May 28, 2007. http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/05/2...

"Curing Canada's Doctor Shortage." National Post, January 15, 2008. http://www.nationalpost.com/life/story.h...

Derfel, Aaron. "Surgery Backlog Tops 5,500 at Kids' Hospitals; One-Year Waits Common." The Gazette (Montreal), December 4, 2004. http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt...

"Ontario Physician Turns Away Patient for Being 55+." CTV.ca News, March 17, 2006. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/st...

"Patients Shouldn't Wait More Than Eight Weeks for Cardiac Defibrillator." Canadian Press, May 24, 2005. http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt...

"Wait Times for Surgery, Medical Treatments at All-Time High: Report." CBC News, October 15, 2007. http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/1...

Ubelacker, Sheryl. "Canadians Have Higher Death Risk Than Americans After Heart Attack: Study." Canada.com, September 20, 2004. http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt...

Yes, they have Socialized medicine and for the people there, it is worse than what the United States has in private medicine. Even with all the problems of private medicine, the United States outpaces all other countries with its health care. Sure, the country of Canada is still standing.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 7:45 PM

Sam_1776 and sara-connor;

Socializing medicine is nothing new to the United States. Back in 1960 a student asked his teacher a simple question about why not socialized medicine. It went like this:

After School recently, a student posed an interesting question. His father was deceased, and he and his mother were living on a small in­come of which social security con­stituted a substantial portion. His mother had recently undergone an expensive operation, and it had been tough to pay the bills. His question was: "Why shouldn't I favor government medical assist­ance?"

Other obligations prevented me from answering immediately, but the next morning the student re­ceived the following 17 points:

1. To the extent that your mother is living on social security she is already the victim of an actuarially unsound program classified by many as an outright fraud. A large part of your difficulty in meeting bills is the product of this government program designed to "help the aged." You may be sure that a government program designed to "help the sick" would fare no better, and probably worse. People do better if they are charged with personal responsibility for their welfare.

2. Social security payments are reduced or eliminated if your mother earns over $1,200 per year. This particular inequity within the entire inequitable program should be remedied, yet the problems posed by any attempt at "equity" tend to point up the undesirability of seeking "solutions" on a national basis.

3. Your mother's income is undoubtedly suffering from inflation, which is the result of prior government activity. Please, therefore, do not ask for more government programs. Inflation raises the cost of everything, medical services and supplies included, and such "hidden taxation" affects all income, taxable and nontaxable.

4. If you ask the government to force others (through taxes) to help you in your particular situation, you cannot expect others not to ask government to force you to help them. In all probability you will end by paying out much more than you will receive through this process.

5. Assuming genuine need, private charities and local agencies would be willing and able to do considerably more along lines of aiding you if taxes were not already markedly diminishing their ability and inclination to function. The high progressive rate also tends to discourage many would-be doctors, whose terrific initial educational investment should be allowed to pay off. To the extent that a doctor shortage exists, government must share a substantial portion of the blame. My own dentist has cut his work-week from five days to four because, in the words of his financial adviser, he was "working too many days for the government." Do not, therefore, add to this tax burden.

6. Even assuming that the taxes required to run a program of government medicine might aid your mother in the short run, such taxation would also put more people into her shoes.

7. Government bidding for medical services and supplies would increase costs. Great Britain's program has slightly more than tripled such costs. If you are serious in your alarm over high costs, you will resist a government program strongly.

8. Since the program would be designed to help millions of others, and not your mother alone, competition for supplies and services, in addition to raising costs, might make it difficult to obtain any at all. A shortage of goods and services would immediately occur if the government were to attempt to mitigate the effects of its own actions through price controls. Priority given to more serious cases would frustrate immediate treatment of minor cases. A man who could be "back on the job" in minutes might have to wait weeks, with resulting loss of production to himself and to society.

9. A program of socialized medicine, once begun, would be extremely difficult, politically, to abandon, no matter how mistaken the program should prove to be.

10. The vast majority of doctors do not like socialized medicine. The reasons they give--dislike of regimentation, the destruction of doctor-patient relationship, and the like--while important in themselves, are secondary to the inescapable conclusion. If the government seeks to accomplish by force something that would not occur voluntarily and institutes a program which doctors dislike, the result will be fewer, and poorer, doctors. We hardly want this situation.

11. The temptation to "get some¬thing for nothing" would prove irresistible for many people. Statistics contrasting the number and length of illnesses of those who have government health insurance (in Great Britain and elsewhere) with those who have private insurance (in the U.S. and elsewhere) provide amusing proof of this. A large portion of government expenditure would go to those whose needs are questionable. This, also, would increase costs. Lack of local administration and responsibility might frequently deny sufficient benefits to those whose needs are genuine.'

12. Socialized medicine would be another long step to total socialism. Socialism, whatever else it may do, hardly increases production. By its emphasis on distribution, it retards production in a thousand ways. This will lower the standard of living for everyone, your mother included.

13. The functions of medicine are basically twofold: administration of known drugs and techniques, and research. We come in contact with the profession through the former, but progress occurs only through the latter.' Socialized medicine would cause a shifting of emphasis from research to general upkeep, with the result that over-all medical progress would be retarded. The British experience proves this beyond question.

14. Since the science of medicine under free enterprise in the United States has given us the best medical service in the world's history; since it has prolonged life in a phenomenal manner; since our medical supplies and services are infinitely superior to those in any other country... you should attempt to retain these advantages by fighting to retain the system under which they developed.

15. It is a mistake for the government to consider the problems of the sick apart from those of society as a whole. Such consideration is a private matter, to be solved by private and local methods. Such a narrow outlook on behalf of the government obscures the broader problem which is, in a moral sense, one of promoting respect for the individual and the furtherance of initiative and self-providence; in an economic sense, one of increasing production for the benefit of all citizens; and in a political sense, one of removing government as a battlefield for special favor and substituting cohesion and solidarity for division and disintegration.

16. No system, not even the free economy, can give everyone everything he wants at once. It is dangerous to allow or encourage any government to substitute its judgment for that of its citizens. It is well to keep in mind that no country has come close to matching the United States in the solution of the very problem your mother presents. I would recommend investigation of the numerous, actuarially sound private health insurance programs, which already insure a substantial majority of all American families. There are approximately 150 such programs in the United States today. Such diversification provides an ability to suit individual requirements which would be impossible under a federal program.

17. Finally, let us consider the moral issue. You may feel that this is simple--that it is not morally correct for society to neglect those in need. But is there such a thing as "collective morality"? Is not moral action exclusively individual? Can any action be moral if it is induced by compulsion? Who is acting and thinking in moral terms: the person who, cognizant of those in need, seeks to remedy the situation insofar as possible by resorting to his own pocketbook, or a person who thinks only in terms of legislation to force everyone else to take care of the problem?

Even if the facts were otherwise and it could be shown that the government were capable of providing satisfactory medical care, the basic moral question you should ask yourself is this: What right have I to take another's property without his consent, for my personal use? Under what conditions does it become proper or right for any individual or group to rob another?

I feel that when you have answered the questions contained in this last point, you may find the first sixteen arguments superfluous. At least I hope so.

Read more: http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/17...

So, you see. This idea of socialized medicine is not new and in fact, it's absolutely dangerous to a free people.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 7:25 PM

Check again Montegue. Maybe with a little more research you too will know more.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 7:03 PM

Hey I have a better idea why don't ya'all RUN for office? Seem to have all the answers to everything and can fix everything! it would be better than pointing fingers and passing the buck! Whats sad is Congress/Senate are taking another vacation without solving anything and last time I checked that's BOTH parties fault!

-- Posted by Dan Eilers on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 5:47 PM

GetRealNow, I have never pretended to be a moderate. If you can tell me exactly where I have written anything that makes you think I am pretending please do so. Or are you just telling one of those Tea Party untruths again.

As far as your theory the Tea Party is getting stronger every day? Evidence please! Maybe the Tea Party will one day actually become so strong you can be a real political party instead of ruining the Republican Party. Only time will tell but if I'm wrong, I'll sadly admit the Tea Party is getting stronger. This most likely will mean the Republican Party has become completely irrelevant and as I said before, no one I know wants the US to sink into a one party system.

Now to the meat and potatoes of your scare tactics. Please explain to us what socialized medicine has done to most of the free world. Europe, Canada and Australia have universal health care and they are still standing. A famous socialist once said "vote to repeal a law you don't like once or twice and you are doing your job. Vote to repeal 40 times and fail 40 times, insanity might be an issue". Obviously I paraphrased that a bit.

GetRealNow, it would be nice if you would stick with one story on this magic and quite scary "conversion to socialism". In one post you say "That poster had his price where he allowed himself to be converted [to socialism] and in another post you say "It's his blind allegiance to the State that makes him a Socialist". Please do tell us if this is a physical, mental, medical or just plain black magic conversion to socialism because we're not understanding how this happens.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 4:48 PM

GetRealNow, there is an interesting web site that explains Obamacare and does a much better job than I would of responding to your comments on that.

"Our government forces us to pay for schools whether we have kids or not. Every person pays for it whether they own or rent. You have no choice. (Hint: It's the property tax, and sales tax etc.)

Our government forces us to pay for bombs that kill people. (Hint: Income tax)

Our government forces us to buy auto liability insurance if we care to drive.

Our government forces us to pay for Medicare and Social Security.

Our government forces us to pay for police and fire.

Our government forces us to pay for roads.

The list is endless. Get over it.

Stop calling it socialism.

Buy a dictionary."


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 4:11 PM

Sam_1776, it's not the savings of $100 a month that made the poster a Socialist; that was just his price to allow himself to be converted. It's his blind allegiance to the State that makes him a Socialist. I could have posted some of his rantings but it turns my stomach to think of them.

We are supposed to be a government of, for and by the People. The United States Government has grown much too large and is effectively controlled by Lobbyists. You cannot serve two masters. As a politician you either serve the people, or the Lobby. The majority of Americans do not want Obamacare. This has been shown in poll after poll. Those of us who oppose (the majority) see it for what it is and what socialized medicine has done to other countries. We understand the burden this places on taxpayers as the Government must find a way to fund it. Please understand, I do not disagree with the fact that there are good things about the Affordable Health Care Act that should stay. But I also believe this law must be repealed in its entirety and replaced with sensible legislation that does not mandate we the people must comply or be taxed (fined) for not conforming. That is Socialism and robs us of our choice.

Now, the President will lie and say that Republicans have no alternative to Obamacare. Rep. Tom Price, a Georgia republican, introduced a healthcare bill well before the backroom brokering that resulted in the passage of Obamacare. John McCain, a republican senator from Arizona when running for president, also introduced a healthcare plan that would have provided a refundable tax credit in the form of a grant which could have been applied toward healthcare insurance. That choice would allow Americans to choose the plan that's best for them, treating all equally and not cause businesses to have to cut employee hours. The Obama Campaign spent millions and millions of dollars attacking that healthcare plan.

The fact is there are choices out there, unless you're speaking of Obamacare or Socialism. No choices there, only mandates, taxes and fines.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 2:20 PM

Goatbeard and GetRealNow I am not trashing any veterans with a pension. I'm just not understanding why a $100 insurance savings makes someone a socialist, yet a pension does not make someone a socialist. Seems to be that they are the same thing. Neither makes someone a socialist.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 12:11 PM


I'm not sure why you felt the need to take a stab at the retired military community. These men and women have served their country proudly and have earned the respect of a grateful nation. I guess that is, except for the liberal progressives. Many of these retired are medically retired having lost limbs,suffered trauma or both following the orders of the civilian leaders appointed over them. Would you deny them the benefits for which they sacrificed that allows you the freedom to bash them on the Banter Box? I had some respect for you, until now. As a penance, please say 3 Our Father's, 3 Hail Mary's and visit the Wounded Warriors website and make a donation to support a wounded vet.

sara-connor; you will never get it. You think the Tea Party is alienating itself? It's growing stronger everyday. If it chooses to divest itself of liberals like you, so much the better. Do not pretend to be moderate. There is nothing moderate in the tone of your posts. You are hard-core liberal progressive. That's the truth. Revel in it.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 10:33 AM

Sam......I'm not sure I have heard of anyone being or being called socialist or anything else because they worked for and are surviving on their pensions. Sorry, but your babble lost me that time.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 9:50 AM

Can't believe anyone could listen to that crap for three months. More strongly can't believe anyone would have a nightly conversation on the merits or demerits of said broadcasts. People will believe what they believe, that's ok. Where we end up when all this political babble is over is what counts. So far I'm not sure I'm going to be happy.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 8:07 AM

That is, they are called "real Americans" if they are NOT moderate Republicans or Democrats.

Apparently, the Tea Party thinks that the founding fathers were against political parties. They should reach back into history and tell that to John Adams and Alexander Hamilton.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 7:49 AM

What surprises me Sara is that $100 for insurance magically turns someone into a socialist however, retired military living on their pensions are not called socialists. They are called the "real Americans".

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 7:41 AM

Sam 1776, the doom and gloom of the Tea Party is re-enforced by local conservative talk radio. As part of a test, for the last 3 months, my family and I have listened to Tea Party Radio or 99.1 on your Mountain Home radio dial. We even convinced 3 other friends to join us in this test.

At first I didn't think I could take any more of the hate, ignorance and misleading talk but I fought through it. We now have nightly discussions most evenings about the craziness we hear coming from Tea Party radio.

From these discussion we have concluded the GOP is finished as a main stream political party as they do their best to drive all but the most extreme thinker away. We also see how science and facts seems to take a backseat to their own wishful thinking, untruths and conspiracy theories. We firmly believe the Tea Party isn't interested in truth, ever. Building and cultivating a long list of false enemies also seems to be a Tea Party tactic. They want to and quite often manage to find enemies behind every bush, in every shadow and even in people's sexual orientation or where they get their medical insurance. They need their followers to be be scared, angry and ready to accept lies just to further their cause.

The biggest annoyance we have with Tea Party radio is the lack of good news they report. It's like these people have never heard of a silver lining. And even when there is great news like unemployment rates going down, they suffix it with statements like "great news I suppose". Heck, even when a person from Minnesota buys into a cheaper health care plan from Massachusetts, they are branded a socialist and sellout with dire consequences (the boogeymen) sure to follow in the coming year.

Buying into the doom, gloom, conspiracy theories and exclusionary tactics of Tea Party is a choice. We hope the moderate Republicans will be strong enough to drive the extremists out of their party before we become a one political party nation.

Just remember, you cannot be magically converted to a socialist by purchasing health insurance like one Tea Party member wants you to believe.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 7:25 AM

While on another website, I was part of a debate on Obamacare. As part of the debate, a gentleman from Minnesota was proudly touting his savings from the mandated insurance program implemented by their legislature and signed into law by then Governor Romney. He swore by the exchange and could not understand why others opposed it. He stated his premiums without their version of the exchange was approximately $1395.00 a month. Through the exchange however, he gleefully pronounced he was saving $1200.00 a year. Now at first reading I must admit I was impressed at his savings. Then it hit me; a year.

You must understand the passion at which this man proclaimed the benefits of his socialized medicine insurance exchange. It was truly astonishing. Why, he was saving approximately $100.00 a month off of his premium and he was extremely excited for this benefit and could not fathom life without it. Really?

The State was able to convert this man to a Socialist for a mere $1200. I'm told every man has his price and I guess his is $100, a month. But then, that's the liberal progressive way. Not only was he a convert but he was advertising online on behalf of the State. Now I realize a savings of $1200 a year might seem appealing to some readers. But think about it. First, the Government (State) mandates you have to have medical insurance and increases all of our taxes to pay for it. Then they drive the costs of premiums to go up so high, people are forced onto these exchanges. For what; a whopping savings of $100 a month from the premiums they drove the costs up on? Really people, is this what we have come to?

That poster had his price where he allowed himself to be converted. What's your price?

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sat, Aug 17, 2013, at 11:45 PM

Moral majority, why would your knuckles be bleeding from being Catholic? Post what you want. I'll be happy to point out when you are posting falsehoods in order to promote gloom and doom for the Tea Party.

So far, I've seen a lot of bogus web sites and bogus claims from you.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Aug 16, 2013, at 11:27 PM

I will believe what ever I want, spelling, at least thats one legitamate complaint. I was a Cathloic for so many years my knuckles still bleed. Now Im Lutheran, I now only pray to God, not Saints, Mary, and so on. And like I said,you have proven NOTHING as far as what I posted goes, prove its fake, or, I guess we will have to disagree on its authenticity. But I WILL post what I like when I like, if you dont like that, TOUGH!!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Aug 16, 2013, at 11:14 AM

Oh, and BTW, maybe you and your bogus interview person should learn how to spell Matthews name.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Aug 16, 2013, at 10:59 AM

I'm a Catholic and that bogus interview doesn't characterize the Pope as a Catholic but as a Tea Party want-a-be. Maybe Moral Majority you should stop reading viral right wing e-mails, and looking for Tea Party web sites.

You have become what you read. You read lies, and spread them gladly especially if it has anything to do with hating Obama and hating liberals.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Aug 16, 2013, at 10:57 AM

No it makes him sound like a Cathloic. You are doing exactly what Mathews tried to do and shift the reality of what his statements mean. Keep trying, although it will prove nothing other than to you and the liberals that dont want to face the truth!!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Aug 16, 2013, at 8:52 AM

Why display things that are not proven to be true, Moral majority? It is clearly bogus because it makes the Pope sound like a member of the Tea Party which was the intention of whoever made up the interview.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Aug 16, 2013, at 7:59 AM


More of the reality of the real world.

www.truthorfiction.com Your website states unproven, not bogus. I believe its absolutely true. The message is so powerfull it had to be buried by the Socialist Liberals, trying to destroy this country. The message is VERY clear where the true problem lies!!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Aug 16, 2013, at 7:38 AM

I agree with Sam_1776; the interview appears to be a hoax.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 10:24 PM

Moral majority why do you keep cutting and pasting bogus information?

www.truthorfiction.com said this about that big piece of fakery about the so-called interview with the Pope.

"TruthOrFiction.Com has found no evidence of this being true. A search of the MSNBC website found no such interview in the archives and inquiries sent to Matthews have yet to be responded.

According to a March 24, 2013 article in London's Telegraph, the transcript of the interview was published on the website of the Roman Catholic diocese in Salford but was later taken down because it could not be verified. Salford is a city in England that is East of Manchester.

There are indications in the transcript that this may be a hoax.

Matthews is a Roman Catholic as well as a professional interviewer. A professional would not have begun an interview by addressing a Catholic Cardinal with "Welcome Cardinal." The correct protocol when addressing a Catholic Cardinal is "Your Eminence," according to "How to Address Church Officials" found posted on the website Catholiceducation.org. Cardinals may also be addressed by "Your Lordship" but it would be considered bad form to say "Welcome Cardinal" without including the clergyman's last name.

Another clue that this could possibly be a hoax is that the spelling of Matthew's name is incorrect in the transcript of the forwarded email."

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 6:14 PM

It's merely a convenient truth for you and yours sara-connor. It fuels your cause to try to make it a case against all Tea Party groups. However, after reading the interview between Chris Matthews and the Pope I must confess that it appears to be the best way to go. Maybe it's best we don't try to get along.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 4:27 PM

Get RealNow, we're not sure how we're showing our ignorance of the truth. Wasn't it some wise Tea Party member who said "I have not suggested one group over another and have often asked readers to go research and find out for themselves what the Tea Party stands for". Seems to us finding 20 Tea Party groups who insist, in writing, something as unproductive as "Unfortunately, our great nation can no longer afford compromise and bipartisanship" is a pretty valid Tea Party truth.

Why don't you, GetRealNow, just come right out and tell us everything the Tea Party stands for. That way, liberal progressive and Tea Party members won't be ignorant of the truth.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 4:21 PM

What a fantastic piece! Strikes at the very heart of the leftist progressive movement. The Pope's message needs to go out everywhere!

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 4:21 PM

Whether you are a Catholic or not - you will appreciate and understand Pope Francis and the message of this interview.


Chris Mathews interview with Cardinal Bergoglio before he became Pope Francis. Was never aired; if you read it you can see why. Well worth 4-5 minutes to read.

This is a WOW of an interview with the New Pope and MSNBC's Chris Mathews!!

We understand his message.

He lived under Pres. Juan Peron, Argentina 's dictator, and he understands the brainwashing of absolute rule, corruption, and poverty.

Regardless of your religious preference, please read this in its entirety . This Pope is a breath of fresh air !

Read to the end: very enlightening, clear understanding of social justice.

The following is a transcript of an interview between CHRIS MATHEWS, MSNBC atheist American journalist and then Cardinal Bergoglio. It is clear why the interview was never broadcast. ________________________


MATHEWS: Welcome Cardinal.

BERGOGLIO: Thank you. Happy to speak with you.

MATHEWS: Well, let me get into it directly. Last conclave, you were almost elected Pope. Can this happen again?

BERGOGLIO: What? That I will almost be the Pope, again?

MATHEWS: No. Will you be the next Pope?

BERGOGLIO: Friend, I'm only jesting with you. I understand the question. I will not be the next Pope

MATHEWS: Why not?

BERGOGLIO: I chose not to. God has someone else in mind I'm certain.

MATHEWS: But you would take the job if it were offered.

BERGOGLIO: I think not.

MATHEWS: Why not.

BERGOGLIO: I believe I'm too embroiled in the secular fiasco. It is a spiritual job and I'm a soldier. Look at the nature of power. In Europe first and now in America , elected men have taken it upon themselves to indebt their people to create an atmosphere of dependency. And why? For their own selfish need to increase their own personal power. I've been a keen observer of the effect this has on the people, especially the poor. They are very good at creating poverty where there is no reason to explain it. My job is to try to alleviate poverty, and if that means to oppose the cause then I will not be Pope.

MATHEWS: But you are worried you would be a spendthrift pope?

BERGOGLIO: Friend. Where did you go to school?

MATHEWS: La Salle College High School in Pennsylvania and.

BERGOGLIO: And after that?

MATHEWS: College of the Holy Cross.

BERGOGLIO: They told me you were Catholic. Once elected, the Pope is by virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error. God would change any spendthrift politician into a responsible Pope. I'm just saying I'm not that man.

MATHEWS: So what is your job?

BERGOGLIO: My job is to ask you why are men creating poverty?

MATHEWS: What do you mean?

BERGOGLIO: I mean that poverty is part of the natural condition and that is bad enough. But my task is to prevent the aggravation of this condition. The ideology that adds to the poverty must be denounced. I have and this is the reason I will not be Pope. I have a saying for myself, No more poverty than God originally intended in the fall from Grace.?


BERGOGLIO: It is a spiritual choice and I'm a political person. I'm sorry. I know you will make more money from this interview if I'm Pope. Or want to be Pope. But I'm sorry. I can't help you. God has already chosen someone anyway. Right? You learned this in school?

MATHEWS: Yes. Well? Where are you on the issues that matter most, issues about contraception, women priests?

BERGOGLIO: This might be a surprise to you, but I am Catholic. We are Catholic. It isn't an issue and for you to pretend that it is being debated goes against God.

MATHEWS: If you were Pope then you would not change anything.

BERGOGLIO: Certainly God would direct the new Pope to have more compassion for these newly created poor. And if there is any social justice in the Church, the new Pope would have a stern word for the creators of the new situation.

MATHEWS: But you are staunchly orthodox on the issues of abortion, contraception, and same-sex marriage.

BERGOGLIO: I am Catholic.

MATHEWS: You were punished for opposed same-sex marriage in Argentina . You opposed free contraception and the government exiled you. What do you have to say about that?

BERGOGLIO: I am Catholic.

MATHEWS: In the secular world, as you say, you follow the conservative line. You oppose, uh, same-sex marriages, very popular with young people. You are conservative on birth control. Won't that be the doom of the Church, alienating young people who support reality-based faith?

BERGOGLIO: Since God created the world, he also created reality. You seem to be arguing that a man can't be Catholic in reality. Son, you are a Catholic?

MATHEWS: Yes, of course. I meant no disrespect.

BERGOGLIO: You don't have to worry about offending me.

MATHEWS: Okay, good. Can a, uh, Pope even be elected if he is pro-choice or pro-love? I mean isn't the election sort of fixed in favor of anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage?

BERGOGLIO: Yes, the election is fixed by God.

MATHEWS: Very witty.

BERGOGLIO: Well, you did ask.

MATHEWS: It is being reported in America that you are against marriage equality. Is that why you feel that you can't be Pope?

BERGOGLIO: God chooses the Pope and God also made men and women different.

MATHEWS: But you are ...a conservative and oppose abortion!

BERGOGLIO: Friend the expression on your face gives you away.

MATHEWS: I'm sorry, I'm just trying to do my job.

BERGOGLIO: And what job is that?

MATHEWS: I've been sent to interview eight men in line for the papacy.

BERGOGLIO: And I guarantee you that they all oppose abortion. So?


BERGOGLIO: So, you feel like you need to alienate the eight from the flock?

MATHEWS: That isn't it. How can the church attract young people when it is opposed to abortion and contraception?

BERGOGLIO: Young people are just as attracted to the truth as they are convenience and expediency. So we will call it a draw.

MATHEWS: Doesn't the church need to modernize?

BERGOGLIO: Finally, I've met someone who will advocate publicly painting over the Sistine Chapel with one of the contemporary street artists. Are you sure you support this and in public?


BERGOGLIO: Forgive me, I was rude.

MATHEWS: Won't the new pope, don't these cardinals realize what they've gotta do if they want to attract young people to the church?

BERGOGLIO: I am a cardinal.

MATHEWS: Won't the new pope, don't you and the other cardinals realize what they must do if they want to attract young people to the church?

BERGOGLIO: I've explained the mysteries of the atom to rural young people and also I've explained the Grace of God. And you know what? They can understand both perfectly well. Frankly, I have more trouble with adults understanding both.

MATHEWS: But they have done focus groups; if you want to spread your message you can't have this position that's anti-gay marriage and anti-contraception.

BERGOGLIO: And you treat the church as a political institution.

MATHEWS: So we're not gonna see any kind of change when it comes to things that matter like abortion or gay marriage?

BERGOGLIO: All eight of the men you will be talking to are Catholic.

MATHEWS: Okay, I understand. Let's talk about your controversial stand on poverty.

BERGOGLIO: You want it to be controversial?

MATHEWS: But don't you blame various governments around the world for poverty?


MATHEWS: But you refuse to blame corporations for their role.

BERGOGLIO: Okay, they also told me you have a degree in economics. No buyer, or seller either, enters into any exchange against his will. It is the nature of the economy. Man is frail, and he makes mistakes and sometimes is greedy and they enter into exchanges that don't help them. Sometimes they become poor, but they made choices. There is nothing the Church can do except try to educate people to become good consumers. Chiefly, for me, it is an education solution on that side. And the Church has more schools around the globe than any other faith. I say teach the people to save their souls, and also teach them how not to become poor. And how not to allow the government to trick them into poverty.

MATHEWS: And you blame government.

BERGOGLIO: No, I blame the self-serving politicians.

MATHEWS: So your solution to poverty is to change the nature of politics?

BERGOGLIO: Please feel free to broadcast this: I don't want to be pope. Friend, you are a socialist and your friends are socialists. And you are the reason for 70 years of misery in Russia, and Europe now is seizing in pain from your policies. You believe in the redistribution of wealth and it makes entire populations poor. You want to nationalize everything and bring every human endeavor under your control. You destroy a man's incentive to take care of his very own family, a crime against nature and nature's God. You want social control over populations and incrementally you are making everything against the law. Together this ideology creates more poverty today than all the corporations you vilify have in the history of man.

MATHEWS: I've never heard such from a Cardinal. I'm not sure if you are here to help yourself or disqualify yourself.

BERGOGLIO: Please air this interview. People being dominated by socialists need to know we don't all have to be poor. Some poverty is part of our being cast out of the Garden of Eden. But look at the empire of dependency created by Hugo Chavez. Promising them, tricking them into worship of government and his very own person. Giving them fish but not allowing them to fish. If a fisherman does develop a talent today in Latin America, he is castigated and his catch stolen by the socialists. He stops?

MATHEWS: You would be the first pope from the Americas .

BERGOGLIO: He stops fishing. I will not be pope, but yes I am from Argentina .

MATHEWS: And you didn't want to be pope?

BERGOGLIO: God didn't want me to be pope.

MATHEWS: Perhaps he changed his mind.

BERGOGLIO: Ludicrous.

MATHEWS: Okay, I'm sorry. I feel like we are getting off on the wrong path. I'm sorry.

BERGOGLIO: Yes, let's be productive.

MATHEWS: You are a classic conservative Catholic theologian?

BERGOGLIO: Of course there's politics clearly in the Curia throughout the Vatican , but in terms of church teaching, it's not a political institution. It's religious.

MATHEWS: I heard people, in fact, media people, "Is this cardinal, is he a liberal? Is he a conservative?"

BERGOGLIO: Tell them please, He's a Catholic. It's no more complicated than that. Catholicism is what it is. You don't have to believe it; you may not. You don't have to follow it; you may not go to Mass. But it's not up to you to modernize us.

MATHEWS: You see no room for reform?

BERGOGLIO: It's not up to any religion, although some do this, 'cause they want the money. They want the membership. But the Catholic Church doesn't do it. It's not up to them to bend and shape and mold itself to accommodate the shrinking depravity of a worldwide culture. It's to provide the exact opposite. It's to provide a beacon out of depravity, socialism and sin, among other things.

MATHEWS: If pope you would be bad news for the left.

BERGOGLIO: I won't be pope. But I am opposed to abortion. I'm opposed to euthanasia. The pro-choice movement is a culture of death. I oppose the demonic same-sex marriage. I oppose gay adoption on the grounds that it is discriminatory to the child. I was exiled by the Cristina Kirchner government, but I hold no grudge. How is this bad news?

MATHEWS: John Paul II rescued you?

BERGOGLIO: He made me the archbishop of Buenos Aires . Yes.

MATHEWS: And so you feel like you owe the Right some sort of repayment?

BERGOGLIO: There are many values and many types of people. Perhaps it is my interest in mathematics, but I'm the type of human who is interested most in the truth. God gave me a healthy love for the truth. Loyalty is only a virtue if in support of the truth or another important value.

MATHEWS: Cristina Kirchner said you held a grudge.

BERGOGLIO: Funny. I've never spoken her name. Not once. And it is a battle of ideas, not a battle of two or more people. I'm only concerned with ideas.

MATHEWS: She said you refused to speak up for civil rights violations.

BERGOGLIO: As a spiritual leader, I opposed cultural modernization, and so I became a political enemy. I understand politics as well as I do mathematics.

MATHEWS: And the Jesuits, they were eager to cast you out, which they did.

BERGOGLIO: So you are implying that I'm a vengeful priest?

MATHEWS: Do you feel that you need to erase the progress recently made in Latin America ?

BERGOGLIO: I say poverty. You say progress.

MATHEWS: Let's talk about poverty.

BERGOGLIO: Sure, there is voluntary poverty that is virtuous. Many understood the nobility of making themselves independent of the fleeting things of earth. They are distractions from our pursuit of the truth. I have no problem with this. I only oppose involuntary poverty.

MATHEWS: That is what I thought you would say.


MATHEWS: Because you are a capitalist, right?

BERGOGLIO: Yes, I think capital is needed to build a factory, a parochial school, or a church or hospital, all. Do you oppose factories or churches or hospitals?

MATHEWS: Of course not, but don't you think the capital is sucked out of peoples hands by greedy business types to pay for these factories?

BERGOGLIO: No, I think people agree, through their economic choices, that some of their money goes to build these. Capital building should be voluntary. Only when the politician confiscates their wealth, to build government factories, government schools, government hospitals; only then do the people not agree. Money given voluntarily is legitimate to build with. Money coerced from the people is not legitimate to build with, because it isn't given voluntarily.

MATHEWS: You are opposed to all government?

BERGOGLIO: No, of course not. But it isn't the seat of wisdom in any society I've seen in my life. The best government was created by the Americans, in which they admitted that people are endowed by their creator and most of the administration of society was left to the relationship between God and man. However, slowly that has been eroded by the atheists on the left, who would replace man's relationship with God with a new relationship with an opportunist like Hugo Chavez.

MATHEWS: I just found it fascinating that you were willing to stand up to an entire government in Argentina . You were cast aside. Didn't you care about your career?

BERGOGLIO: Yes, there are people who cave to worldly authority. Even priests.

MATHEWS: But you didn't?

BERGOGLIO: No, I changed nothing. How did I have the power to change anything in church teaching? My opinion? The democrats, seeking votes, only wanted me to change my opinion and legitimize their decadence. I did not, as evidenced by the fact that I was teaching high school math in small isolated town.

MATHEWS: I'm sorry that happened to you.

BERGOGLIO: Why don't you feel for others oppressed for their interest in freedom.

MATHEWS: Freedom isn't punished anywhere, is it?

BERGOGLIO: Certainly it is.

MATHEWS: In Latin America ?

BERGOGLIO: I'm afraid Latin America is lost. The people of the entire area are controlled by a bloc of militant socialist regimes in the region, most prominently Venezuela , Ecuador , Bolivia and Nicaragua . They have a gun pointed at their head. So their heart is now captured. Who will save them at this point?

MATHEWS: So the game is over. Checkmate?

BERGOGLIO: Friend, I've been studying America this month, before the Pope chose to resign. You must not have fear at speaking the truth. It is for the salvation of souls and the recovery of Thomas Jefferson's people. America must not fall to the new painted communism. Even the low information voters don't want America to be sold into slavery. I pray they cast out the money changers in their government! What manner of government is there that condones sin? Abomination upon abomination--giving monies for the murder of children, giving monies for the murder of the elderly! You are an American. Your government, my child, has been infiltrated by men of sin.

MATHEWS: These are pretty radical ideas.

BERGOGLIO: No. Perhaps reactionary. Radical means something different. But a very long time ago, Khrushchev warned, that we cannot expect Americans to fly from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small injections of socialism until they suddenly awake to find out they have Communism. This is what is happening now in an ancient bastion of freedom. How can America save Latin America when they are slaves to the government themselves?

MATHEWES: I'm having a hard time digesting most of this.

BERGOGLIO: The truth can be painful. You look angry; do you want to stop or ask a question? But you have created a new type of state, the so-called welfare state. This has happened in order to respond to the needs of the politically-created poor. However, intervening directly is depriving the original society of its responsibility. Families escape responsibility in the welfare state. And churches even escape responsibility. People stop giving to charity and see every poor person as the government's problem. I am a Catholic priest and there are no poor for me to take care of, they are made permanently poor and the property of the politicians.

MATHEWS: I'm not sure this interview is going to work.

BERGOGLIO: You asked and now you will listen, my son. The social assistance state leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic thinking than by real concern for helping people. Needs are best understood and satisfied by people who are closest to them who act as neighbors and parish members to those in need. It should be added that certain kinds of demands often call for a response which is not simply material but which is capable of perceiving the deeper human need. This is not to mention the welfare states excesses and abuses.

MATHEWS: I think we are done.

BERGOGLIO: Wait. If I speak on the ordination of women, on celibacy, on divorce, will you air this interview and my message?

MATHEWS: No, we are done.

BERGOGLIO: Partially what irritates me to the core is the media's inability to look at anything without looking into the cause of the various problems. People are made poor so they will vote for the very candidates that made them poor.

MATHEWS: Have a nice day and thanks for your time.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 3:46 PM

Oh, and don't forget; there is a price to pay for being the Great Divider.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 3:36 PM

Once again, you show your ignorance of the truth sara-connor. This is an in-state issue the Tennessee Tea Party groups have with Lamar Alexander. It speaks only to those groups and not the Tea Party as a whole.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 3:22 PM

RIP GOP. The Tea Party has taken over the GOP and the slow motion train wreck is continuing from the 2012 general election. The Democrats do not want a 1 party system but the Tea Party has all but guaranteed the Republican Party will vanish under its own extremism.

A letter signed by many different Tea Party groups said,

"Unfortunately, our great nation can no longer afford compromise and bipartisanship".

GetRealNow, your statement the Tea Party wants to work towards consensus and try to openly achieve common goals is shattered to bits.


-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 2:31 PM

CHICAGO -- With the new health law's enrollment period set to open in just a little more than six weeks, President Barack Obama's administration announced $67 million in awards Thursday to organizations that will help people understand their new insurance opportunities and get signed up.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced the Navigator grant awards to 105 groups in states where the federal government will run online insurance marketplaces. Sebelius said consumers are "hungry for information."

"These navigators will help consumers apply for coverage, answer questions about coverage options and help them make informed decisions about which option is best for them," Sebelius said from Tampa, Fla., during on a conference call with reporters.

Ideally, navigators will use a variety of math and logic skills to walk people through the somewhat confusing process of buying insurance. For example, navigators will help people estimate their family income for 2014, important in determining eligibility for federal tax credits to help pay the cost of coverage.

Navigators may need to answer questions about family size, such as: Do you count the kids if they are claimed on an ex-spouse's income tax? And, they will need to be able to explain the differences between the bronze, silver, gold and platinum insurance policies offered on the marketplaces.


-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 1:56 PM

Right on the money!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 1:47 PM

It was the thinking and actions of those like sara-connor that caused the very existence of the Tea Party in 2009. You gave birth to us, then you try to vilify us. That's no way for a parent to treat their child. Seriously, shame on you!

What the liberal progressives, in trying to force their utopian vision on America, have done is to force small and large businesses alike to take drastic measures in order to survive and compete for their very existence. Rather than work towards consensus and try to openly achieve common goals, they broker back room deals with insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, and unions to create legislation to force others to concede to their thinking. Then, they exempt the unions and government agencies such as the IRS as well as their donor corporations from the law passing that lost revenue onto us, the consumers. They do this by taxing the companies that build the equipment many need for their healthcare and by increasing our premiums.

Now that it's becoming apparent that Obamacare is beginning to crumble under its own weight, the President hits the campaign trail again lamenting how those evil Republicans are not working with him to achieve his goals. There is a price to pay for being the Great Divider.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 12:54 PM

Keep making fun of Christian Conservatives, thats the only thing progressive liberals can do, you sure cant argue with the facts, and thats what this gentleman posts on his site. You can try and dispearidge him all you want, but you only have to look as far as Jessie jr. to see the fine example of how your side looks!!! Bengazi,Obamacare,NSA, there are so many examples of the immoral liberal establishment there is not enough paper or memory in a computer to document it all.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 12:40 PM

This is what rationalwiki says about Michael Snyder, the guy that Moral majority keeps linking to his web site about. (There should be a rule that you can't link more than 20 times in a week to one particular web site.)

"Who is this nut?

Michael T. Snyder states on his contact page that he is an undergraduate in Commerce from the University of Virginia, and possesses a law degree with an LLM (legal emphasis, not stated) from the University of Florida law school. He has supposedly worked in "numerous Washington DC lawfirms", but quit to live outside of Seattle and rage at the world through the internet. Or as Snyder puts it "now I mostly focus on trying to make a difference in the world."

He also states very clearly "I am a Christian, but I believe that most of the churches in America have gotten way off track." Snyder has recently posted a statement of faith[1] in which he states that he believes that the Bible is literally true and that Jesus is coming down in person soon to start the end times to punish all the non-believers.[2] After which Jesus will start his thousand year reign over Earth.

Otherwise Snyder is very tight lipped about himself, which makes it hard to find out what drove him mad." -- rationalwiki

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 12:21 PM

WOW!! The government is donating 67 million to community organizations to help find people to sign up for Obamacare? Did I read that corruptly? How much will this graft swell before it's finished. I'm sure the Tea Party had something to do with that too huh? Is Kathleen Sebelious a Tea Partier? 67 million.....I know, Chump change.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 10:34 AM

Good morning Sara. Can you read the article linked by Moral Majority and deny it? This stuff has all made national news over the past few months. Probably the latest thing was the Seattle ban on words like citizen or brown bag. How did those ever get to be bad words. The younger generaion loves this stuff, me, I immensely dislike it. Has nothing to do with any political party, has to do with I just don't like the direction. Show me how it's right and proper. Have a good day ma'am

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 8:05 AM


More of the nonesense destroying our country.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 7:30 AM

GetRealNow, this is no joke. There are people whose lives are ruined, going into bankruptcy and most definitely getting sicker and sicker because they can't afford medical care.

You say one of your Tea Party goals is Bring back American prosperity. Makes me and every Democrat out there wonder what your definition of prosperity is when people cannot get proper medical care.

Please keep on posting your Tea Party information. It may make you and your party followers all giddy about the prospects you are "working towards a reckoning such as not happened since the American Revolution", but I assure you it sounds like the thinking of a very unstable group to the normal US citizen.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 7:28 AM

Proof positive,

I have no problem using my own handle, which also happens to be my real name, when I want to make a comment. You on the other hand are one of the many that hide behind a nic name. I also have no problem backing my "relatives" when they are in need. I can assure you I am not sara.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 11:21 PM

sara-connor; this is no joke. These people are losing their livelihoods because many small businesses simply can't afford the mandates of Obamacare. Hours are being reduced to less than 30 per week across the country with more getting the news everyday that their hours have been cut. Most small businesses and many large ones are only hiring part-timers rather than have to pay for this ill gotten mandate. You may quip about it, but for many it's no laughing matter. This is only the first wave. As businesses approach the deadline, many more millions will see their hours cut. The main stream media is now seeing it for what it is and have taken to calling it "unintended consequences." I wonder if President Obama is trying to build up the middle class or tear us down by our roots?

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 6:22 PM

seem as though Mc CallumS has changed her tactics along with her blog name,why is it every time her relatives get in trouble it is always someone elses fault????

-- Posted by proof positive on Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 4:52 PM

Same old people huh Moral majority? What about someone who keeps posting two web sites over and over again.



Doom and gloom goes a long way does it?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 3:43 PM

Its not worth responding clamchowder, consider the sorce. Just more of the same old smart aleck remarks, from the same old Designated Hitters!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 2:11 PM

clam chowder, Universal Health Care is so utterly ridiculous. All the people I know who work for a living would prefer to just remain uninsured. No medical care or heading to the ER is obviously the best plan. And to think some people in the greatest nation in the world would want Universal Heath Care must mean they are socialist or sumthing.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 9:30 AM

From msnbc.com, Obama cheerleader site.

If anybody can find ANY good news about Obamacare, please do tell, the people that work for a living would like to know.


-- Posted by UM1233 on Tue, Aug 13, 2013, at 9:28 PM

Read the New York Times, lately? Hardly a conservative publication. Seems the Obama Administration has delayed another key provision of the Affordable Health Care Act (known widely as Obamacare). Seems President Obama forgot to tell you about this delay. You see, it was buried in legalese deep in the law last February. According to the NY Times, "The limit on out-of-pocket costs, including deductibles and co-payments, was not supposed to exceed $6,350 for an individual and $12,700 for a family. But under a little-noticed ruling, federal officials have granted a one-year grace period to some insurers, allowing them to set higher limits, or no limit at all on some costs, in 2014."

This means the cap that prevented insurance companies from increasing your premiums was eliminated for all of 2014. Insurance companies can hike their rates to the moon and likely will to fill their coffers before 2015.

Read the full article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/us/a-l...

I wonder why Max Baucus, (D) MT who voted for Obamacare, recently referred to the Affordable Health Care Act as "a train wreck" when announcing he would retire instead of run again (April 2013)?

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Tue, Aug 13, 2013, at 9:16 PM

"HlPSAVAMERICA", this subject was approached before and it's frustrating (the lack of accountability I mean). I know some people will say it's "heresay" and/or "slander" but for those of us in the know (with first hand knowledge)we will attest to the lack of ethics and morale judgement with the accused. For shame. Since the accusations are against law enforcement in town (I assume), I would go out of the town. I feel the prosecutors are just as questionable in character. Good luck.

-- Posted by pursuitofhappy on Tue, Aug 13, 2013, at 4:46 PM

Those of you who frequent the Banter Box have seen me type and give my support for the Tea Party movement. While others here, including our extremely liberal editor, try to vilify this grass roots organization, I seek to garner understanding of the principles on which it is founded and the goal to which it aspires to achieve. It is fortunate for the liberals that the Tea party is composed of many different groups who have yet to come together under a single banner. I believe when that happens, there will be a reckoning such as not happened since the American Revolution. In my posts, I have not suggested one group over another and have often asked readers to go research and find out for themselves what the Tea Party stands for. For those interested, there are 3 organizations that may have what you are searching for. The first is the Tea party Express at http://www.teapartyexpress.org/mission. The second is Freedom Works at http://www.freedomworks.org/about/about-.... The third, especially created for those of Christian faith is, Tea Party for Christians at http://teapartyforchristians.com/about.

Each of these groups believes in at least two key points. 1) Our government is too large and controlling and 2) Our government spends more money than it takes in and our national debt is unchecked and spiraling out of control.

The Tea Party Express states, "Tea Party Express is proud to stand for six simple principles:

1) No more bailouts

2) Reduce the size and intrusiveness of government

3) Stop raising our taxes

4) Repeal Obamacare

5) Cease out-of-control spending

6) Bring back American prosperity

Freedom Works states, "FreedomWorks recruits, educates, trains and mobilizes millions of volunteer activists to fight for less government, lower taxes, and more freedom."

Tea Party for Christians states, "Tea Party for Christians is your comprehensive resource for all things Christian and Tea Party. Here you'll find heavy doses of truth on a variety of topics as well as resources to equip you to inject that truth into your sphere of influence. If you're a Tea Partier, this site is for you. If you're a Christian, this site is for you. If you're skeptical of -- or downright hostile toward -- one or the other, this site is especially for you."

Three options but not all, to be sure.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 6:37 PM

How about we cut ALL forigen aid first.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 1:19 PM

Books for sale!!!

(for you, moral muck, for you.

-- Posted by MrMister on Sun, Aug 11, 2013, at 3:24 PM

Always wondered why they close Hiway 20 at the industrial park instead of Reservoir Road. People who live on the North side of town use that road to get to and from town. If it's closed and they get there, they're made to go all the way back to 8th street to get home again. Makes sense, if you have to close Hiway 20 from town to wherever, close it at Reservoir Road.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sat, Aug 10, 2013, at 2:40 PM


-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Aug 9, 2013, at 11:55 AM

FYI on August 9th, 2013 at 7:30am

US 20: Road closed.

between Industrial Road (Mountain Home) and First Street West (Fairfield). The road is closed. Look out for a brush fire.

Comment: The road is closed from milepost 96 to milepost 152, Industrial Road to Fairfield.

Last updated today at 7:29AM MDT by ITD.


-- Posted by bondyweb on Fri, Aug 9, 2013, at 8:13 AM

I am not certain, but I am guessing they are talking about the noise coming from the railroad cars where they are loading trucks for S&P dairy, right by Taco Johns, It seems to be pretty loud sometimes when I drive by.

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Thu, Aug 8, 2013, at 2:24 PM


-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Aug 8, 2013, at 8:03 AM

Imagine that. Secret courts issuing secret rulings to and using the secret information gathered to create false footprints to further investigate American citizens. But, I thought no one was listening to the content of those calls unless it was proven they involved terrorism? Isn't that what we were told? The NSA was just collecting numbers that called other numbers - no specifics? I want my Constitutionally guaranteed rights! Anything less is illegal. The government has violated not only the letter but the spirit of the law of the land.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Aug 5, 2013, at 8:42 AM

I wounder how pervasive this is thruout all Federal law enforcement agencies. You cant trust our Government AT ALL anymore!


-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Aug 5, 2013, at 8:39 AM


The numbers of those working in law enforcement are great around the United States, these individuals are people from all different walks of life. Some have good morals and are in the profession to really help people and try to make living here better for the majority. However, there are those who have no morals, they are trained to deal with the public in a way that should protect their person while also protecting the public. Unfortunately it seems the numbers are growing of those working in the profession that take advantage of their positions to further their own power, gain money, or take take down others in the profession that they "believe" do not belong or they just do not like.

While the numbers of those corrupting the system might mot be a large as it seems when you take percentages into consideration, each and every complaint should be looked into not matter the severity. This is how many bad seeds are weeded out. You wrote " Maybe someone didn't get the result they were looking for and now thinks that all of the police in town are useless?", perhaps there are a number of people having problems with the police department that have tried to alleviate the problem by taking the correct steps to no avail. Perhaps there are a number of people that feel as though their voice is not being heard and this is the only avenue they have left. It could be any number of reasons but the point I am trying to make is do not automatically assume that just because someone works in law enforcement they are moral and those making a complaint must "think that all of the police in town are useless?",there are some who are useless, there are some that are good and decent and there are those who are down right dirty.

Keep an open mind.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Sat, Aug 3, 2013, at 3:31 PM

My Bad. WECRD is the "mismanagement" I was referring to. I know nothing about the harassment issue. But if your harassed,keep going up your chain of command until its resolved.

-- Posted by gmoney on Sat, Aug 3, 2013, at 9:46 AM

gmoney - If it is not reported to the newspaper, how are they going to know to print it? It seems something is not right with the complaint. If a person works in law enforcement and doesn't know the steps to properly report sexual harassment if a superior does nothing, that's pretty sad, in my opinion. There are places on line to help with that sort of thing as well.

It seems someone has it in for the police lately with all the complaining that is done about them on this blog and on individual stories. Maybe someone didn't get the result they were looking for and now thinks that all of the police in town are useless? Who knows? I have never had trouble getting help when I needed it with the police here in town.

I see Rick Layher is asking for help to figure this all out. Give credit where credit is due.

-- Posted by ItsJustMeAgain on Fri, Aug 2, 2013, at 2:39 PM

The way the world is today the only thing that makes the District Attorney or Sheriff initiate an official inquiry would be the media. I know Brian is not an investigative journalist and just reports news but as long as the newspaper remains quiet nothing will be done about past or present mismanagement.

-- Posted by gmoney on Thu, Aug 1, 2013, at 2:58 PM

If you think this will ever be investigated, or pursued by our District Attorney, think again. This is how the Shifty Fifty used to operate.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Aug 1, 2013, at 12:19 PM

Speaking of WECRD, too much to understand. How is it the people of Elmore County are taxed by this entity to build a rec center and the money is spent on the YMCA? How is it that the taxpayers have to support the YMCA. I'm not an economist or politician. Is it OK to do this? After all these years I just don't see this working at doing anything except collecting money. Many organizations have made thousands by studies, meetings, gatherings etc. As a simple taxpayer this is way beyond my comprehension. At some point in time, someone has to see this is a bad deal for anyone except those employed or commissioned to study now and where to spend. Money would have been better spent to support the County Fair. It's hard to b elieve anyone ever voted for this red herring!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Aug 1, 2013, at 8:09 AM

I just looked at the WECRD budget request as of July 17th for 2014.

Tax Revenue $ 454,000.00

Interest Income $ 36,000.00

Water Lease 800.00

Total Estimated Revenue $ 490,800.00

Estimated Capital Expenses $ 321,800.00

Estimated Operating Expenses $ 169,000.00

Where are the millions from the last 13 years? Why don't we have the money banked to build a facility?

-- Posted by gmoney on Wed, Jul 31, 2013, at 4:55 PM

The city and school department need to change their watering schedule. The city council minutes said they would reduce watering times by 30 percent. If your overwatering by 200 percent you still end up wasting water. You can walk through Legacy park at 1400 and not be able to sit on the grass because its still wet from the watering of previous evening. The school department is also overwatering. Does the city charge business a flat rate or is usage like homeowners?

-- Posted by gmoney on Wed, Jul 31, 2013, at 2:57 PM

Mrl83, Tell this person to go straight to the sheriff. I am quite sure Rick will not stand for any of that in his Office.

-- Posted by MtnHmResident on Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 10:39 PM

If her organization has an HR department she should complain to them.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 9:57 AM

I was recently talking to someone and they stated there is a deputy that's higher up on the department that is sexually harassing her while on duty. She said she has complained to his boss and nothing has been done about it. That's pretty much all I know. She wants to know what she can do to get the deputy to leave her alone. Any advice?

-- Posted by mrl83 on Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 8:06 AM
Response by Brian Orban, Mountain Home News:
The following is a response from the Elmore County Sheriff's Office regarding this comment.

To whom it may concern:

It has come to our attention that a blog was posted on the Mountain Home News website referring to someone being sexually harassed by an employee of the sheriff's office. We have not received any complaints of this nature. Sexual harassment is very serious and needs to be investigated immediately. Please contact Sheriff Rick Layher at 573-5969 if you have any knowledge of this.

Sheriff Rick Layher

Elmore County Sheriff's office

Seems a few too many have viewed CSI, based on recent blog posts. I mean, who's to say who's right or wrong? Book'em Dano!

-- Posted by MrMister on Sat, Jul 27, 2013, at 1:16 AM

Things like vandalism happen all the time, everywhere . Nobody can stop that. The city hasnt even attempted to fix those drinking fountains in 20 years. Maybe when there are 7 guys standing around watching 2 guys dig a hole they could have them do other things like fix the broken drinking fountains or install some for the honest tax paying law abiding citizens to use while enjoying the beautiful parks here.

-- Posted by mhg4316 on Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 8:26 AM

What's embarrassing is that when the city (who does a really good job) puts something up for the people the free ranging wreckers attack and destroy. Most of the facilities weren't disconnected because they got old or worn, they were damaged beyond repair by night raiders. Fix that and I'm sure you'll see more fountains and lavatories.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 7:40 AM

Just a question...Why are there no public drinking fountains in ANY of the parks in MH, or any along the walking path??? I have noticed all of the water fountains at Carl Miller and Richard Aguirre have been disconnected...and there are none at Legacy Park. There are also none at any of the ball fields either.....Boise has such wonderful park systems and sports facilities. Pretty embarassing Mountain Home. Our kids deserve better.

-- Posted by mhg4316 on Mon, Jul 22, 2013, at 4:22 PM

tancredi, about your post on Monday evening. I had made no comment about athletes, curfews, or coach drinking. You must be mistaking me with someone else.


Your post is the first I've heard of athletes out past curfew. Where were the coaches at? They were responsible for enforcing curfew!"

-- Posted by tancredi on Mon, Jul 15, 2013, at 8:36 PM

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Jul 18, 2013, at 7:38 PM

I see there is yet another case of child abuse in Mountain Home, in the news. What could a child do to anyone that would mean they had to suffer any form of abuse, or even to die?

I look at the mugshots of the people, not just in our town, in other places as well, who have abused children. The people in the mugshots always look so sad, like their life is over and they are being wronged. A few mugshots I have seen were of people looking smug and almost smiling, it's disgraceful.

I wish that they could put themselves in the shoes of the children they abuse or even kill. What do these innocent, trusting little minds think when the abuse starts, the first hit or the first kick, the first blow that causes them pain. I can't imagine them understanding what is going on, especially when they are in the care of the people who are supposed to protect them.

Over and over all over in the world children are abused day after day, a large majority are killed and yet, there is still child abuse out there, day after day. It takes a pretty sick individual to abuse a child on any level at all.

-- Posted by ItsJustMeAgain on Thu, Jul 18, 2013, at 1:21 PM

tancredi I'm am so sorry you are so perfect. Let the coaches coach. I am positive you have had a drink on business. Let it go and be a positive roll model. The players like the coaches which will help them give it their all. YOU are the individual that keeps the pot stirred. Shut up and support the program or live your world behind your computer screen. It is over and done with through the correct procedures.

-- Posted by BlackMagic on Thu, Jul 18, 2013, at 8:52 AM

To those that I have had the pleasure of conversing with here. I talked to a representative at the board of education meeting tonight, and they have found no issues with the coaches' behavior at the camp. I respect the decision that they have made, and no future complaints about this incident will be brought up from me. Go Tigers!

-- Posted by tancredi on Tue, Jul 16, 2013, at 8:38 PM


I don't have an issue with the one coach. I have an issue with the way the coaches reacted to a parent bringing up a issue and two coaches verbally attacking the parent. It could have been handled better on both their parts. I do believe this season will be successful and I've supported the program. There is no underlying goal.


What issues with Boyscouts/Hunters Ed? Appears your clueless.


continue to hide behind your screen name, or face HIM to resolve the issues that aren't being addressed. Hard to fix what isn't known.

-- Posted by tancredi on Tue, Jul 16, 2013, at 6:36 PM

Interesting story about how The Obama admin. obeys the law.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Jul 16, 2013, at 3:40 PM


You nailed it, HE is the problem.

-- Posted by lifetimemthomey on Tue, Jul 16, 2013, at 11:50 AM


As far as one coach being to "plastered" to attend the morning session...If you contact the Canyon Ridge Athletic Training staff you will find out that the coach you are reffering to was not plastered at all, but was layed up in bed due to a back injury which he had surgery for weeks prior and the staff had to come to the hotel and stretch him out and provided him ice....I don't know or care what your motivation is for this one coach in perticular but it needs to be handled between the both of you without slandering the entire coaching staff. It is disappointing that we have parents that would mis construe a triumphant event for their own personnal goal. Whatever that goal maybe. I hope you would back our season that looks to be a winning one with motivation and courage this year vs. creating speed bumps and drama.

-- Posted by mcfunk5 on Tue, Jul 16, 2013, at 7:41 AM

Sam_1776, my mistake, meant for Crew25. The problem is that there was 1 parent vs. 7 coaches. Board of Ed might share their decision tomorrow night at their monthly meeting.

-- Posted by tancredi on Mon, Jul 15, 2013, at 8:48 PM

My-2-Cents, a specific coach was plastered to the point of not being able to attend the first session the following day. Sam_1776 knows of athletes that were out past curfew, so who was chaperoning, not the coaches at the restaurant drinking.... Two nights in row going out drinking, sets a great example for the athletes. Last years camp there were athletes with Alcohol... this year coaches... soon the coaches and athletes can partake together... that's when everyone will be concerned.

-- Posted by tancredi on Mon, Jul 15, 2013, at 8:41 PM


Your post is the first I've heard of athletes out past curfew. Where were the coaches at? They were responsible for enforcing curfew!

-- Posted by tancredi on Mon, Jul 15, 2013, at 8:36 PM


Coaches were drinking at a coaches function. Parents weren't attending to monitor the athletes, that was the coaches responsibility. This has been addressed to the Athletic Director, Principal, Superintendent and Board of Ed. No determination has been expressed at this time.

-- Posted by tancredi on Mon, Jul 15, 2013, at 8:34 PM

Mcfunk5, the coaches weren't inappropriate. One was too wasted to attend the morning session, athletes had to go to their room to get gear and saw him. What example are they setting? I don't have a problem with a drink or two at dinner. Being to wasted to attend camp, unacceptable.

-- Posted by tancredi on Mon, Jul 15, 2013, at 8:29 PM


Go look at their budget reports. The taxes went to pay for cellphones, office equipment, a webmaster and salaries to name a few. Oh and the countless reports to verify the previous report. The results are very shocking. And no I am not a supporter of the WECRD nor the tax at all. Could you tell?

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Fri, Jul 12, 2013, at 5:34 PM

So the WECRD is looking for more money for a $4.6 million Facility. By my math they have collected more than $5 million in taxes over the years. Instead of "where's the beef" how about "WHERE IS THE MONEY". I know you gave about 30 K to different recreational groups over the past 10-15 years but where is the rest of the money?

-- Posted by gmoney on Fri, Jul 12, 2013, at 4:51 PM

I find I must agree with Sam_1776 on the subject of taxation. I do not believe the national sales tax is the way to go; here is why:

1) In order for a national sales tax to be effective, given the governments enormous appetite for spending our money, a minimum 30 percent tax rate on everything you consume or service you are provided, san business/education purchases/services, would be required. This includes building a new home. Realistically, if you had to pay an additional 30 percent on a new home, how much home would you end up with?

2) The above percentage presumes all Americans are taxed at the same rate, regardless of income. If a certain aspect of the population is excluded (as you know is likely with our liberal progressive elected officials who need to pad their voting numbers), then the tax rate increases to 45 percent. That's 45 percent on everything, except for the select population.

Given Uncle Sugar's excessive and insatiable appetite for our money, I cannot support a national sales tax at this time. If I were to support a national sales tax, it would need to be capped at 20 percent and the US Government would have to learn to live within its means, as we all must do.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Fri, Jul 12, 2013, at 3:08 PM

Tancredi, your question about coaches drinking at a camp all depends. "Drinking" as in slamming down beers like a sport and getting plastered while escorting students- bad news and terrible judgment. "Drinking" as in having a beer with supper, no different than having a Pepsi with supper. From my understanding, all the coaches did was go out for supper (while leaving the players with a chaperone) and they had a beer or 2 with their dinner. How is that any different than the coaches having a beer when they go out to eat with the players after a game? As long as the coaches were of legal age, and they didn't abuse the alcohol, then I would say their dinner served as a good time to bond which is part of the reason for going to a camp in the first place.

-- Posted by My-2-cents on Fri, Jul 12, 2013, at 10:16 AM

Moral Majority,

The reason Sam doesn't want a "flat-tax on things you buy is because he doesn't believe in fairness. If you make more money then you will usally buy more things or more expensive things thus paying more in taxes. If you make less then you will buy less paying less taxes.

By attching taxes to income instead of what you buy the system can penalize someone for being successfull. Right now the system is set up to penalize success. Why should I work hard all day while my neighbor goes fishing if they are going to just take 1/3 of my paycheck and give it to him. This is what is happening now, we are getting at the point were the freeloaders are taking more than the workers are putting in. As a worker I have thought a lot about fishing instead of working and still getting paid through unemployment, food stamps, welfare, and other programs. Why should I pay a cell phone bill when I can get the goverment too pay it?

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Fri, Jul 12, 2013, at 9:57 AM

Moral majority, I mentioned that it has been demonstrated that the graduated income tax doesn't discourage earning money. That's because the more money that you earn the more money you get because the graduated income tax in the United States only slowly increases your tax rate.

I think that you are mistaken in your idea that taxing on buying things (sales tax) doesn't discourage buying. There are also other serious problems. It is considered a "regressive" task because it increases the tax rate for the poor and decreases the tax rate for the rich. The article from Brookings (see link) was written several years back but it's explanations still apply.


-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Jul 11, 2013, at 6:45 PM

More unwanted losses of freedom:


It makes you wounder how our country will end up. Probably looking alot like Russia.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Jul 11, 2013, at 3:09 PM


So if I understand what your saying, then would not your logic apply to incme tax also? IE: you have to pay income tax, thus discouraging working for a living. I dont believe my theroy would discourage buying at all, everybody still will need the same necesities as the day before, only the do nothig for a living people will finally have to pay their fair share and corparations will also.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Jul 11, 2013, at 9:54 AM

There is a Border Collie with a chocker color that was hit yesterday morning on Sunset Strip by Cox's Autobody. The dog survived and has been taken to Knights Vet. but the owners have not been found. The dog needs medical attention, if you know of anyone that is missing a Border Collie type dog please have them contact Knights @587-7941. There is a photo of the dog on Knights Vet Facebook.

-- Posted by workingbee on Wed, Jul 10, 2013, at 4:34 PM

It sounds fair Moral majority but it discourages buying things which is bad for the economy. It also encourages a black market.

Why do you not want a graduated income task with no loop holes? It's been demonstrated that it doesn't discourage wanting to make more money.

It seems like abolishing the IRS is kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face. We have people and systems in place to collect taxes. It would be very expensive to just wipe them out and start over.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Jul 10, 2013, at 3:56 PM

Good episode of Frontline.


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Jul 10, 2013, at 3:44 PM

The IRS should be abolished, and in its place a national sales tax. Thats all it woud take. No write offs needed. EVERYBODY has to pay this way, because if you buy something, you pay. Income level will have nothing to do with it, EVERYBODY PAYS. This is 100% fair.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Jul 10, 2013, at 2:24 PM

On the 4th, some fools down the road from me were lighting bottle rockets and large firecrackers behind their house. Our places are outside town and aside from our defensive areas we are surrounded by natural desert. There have been small fireworks caused fires out here the last three years, thankfully they were contained before any major damage. Not wanting to confront inebriated partiers I called the sheriff's dispatch. The dispatcher was great and a deputy responded shortly thereafter. The foolhardy playtime stopped. Thank you!!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Jul 10, 2013, at 7:56 AM

What does everyone think about Rand Paul and Ted Cruz campaigning to get rid of the IRS? I'm not sure about Rand Paul but Ted Cruz is suggesting substituting a graduated income task with a flat rate which will reduce taxes the most for the rich and increase taxes the most for the poor.

I don't think getting rid of the IRS is cost effective however if we kept a graduated income tax but removed loop holes their work would be reduced tremendously and they could downsize.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 7:23 PM

In reference to the posting regarding coaches/teachers "drinking at an away camp," I would want to know the following:

1) was this a PRE-PLANNED, DESIGNATED SOCIAL EVENT where coaches from ALL other teams were partaking or, at minimum, present?

2) were parents attending in a chaperone capacity to monitor their curfew-mandated-high-school-aged son(s) or to monitor ADULT coaches? And;

3) if this very subject has been addressed through all levels, via district policy, and ANY/ALL claims of perceived "negligence" have been dismissed across the board...what would one's motivation be to continually attempt to engage various media outlets and individuals UNSUCCESSFULLY?

Introspect and integrity pave the road to credibility. While insanity, at least according to Einstein, is "doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

-- Posted by oregondux on Mon, Jul 8, 2013, at 5:39 PM

In reference to coaches/teachers drinking in a four day camp...I would have to know all the facts. Like was it a scheduled social by the camp directorate? Did the coaches act in appropriately? Did the grown men/coaches/teachers do anything out of the ordinary? ....then yes it is appropriate that grown-ups/teachers/coaches take part in the venue that was schedule for them....not to mention...the kids had a curfew and it was enforced....

-- Posted by mcfunk5 on Mon, Jul 8, 2013, at 4:03 PM

Huge thanks to everyone involved with putting on the fireworks show, from the street walkers to the fire dept. I'm sure it's a lot of work and I really enjoy it every year. Tonight's Grand Finale was the best I've ever seen!

-- Posted by uncommon sense on Thu, Jul 4, 2013, at 11:23 PM

I would think so, one would hate to become dehydrated.

-- Posted by opinionofmine on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 11:42 PM

Is it acceptable for Coaches/Teachers that are chaperoning our children, to drink at a four day away camp?

-- Posted by tancredi on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 8:51 PM

That sounds like we can agree to disagree on the one point but can agree on the major point that George Washington was a great man.

WinterStorm, the letters by Sandy Pitts & Walter F. Bilenski III, USAF (ret.) were indeed great!

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 1:21 PM

Sam_1776, my mind is open, just not free for the taking. My post was intended to highlight the man, Washington as a whole. It was only when you pressed me by insinuating that I misread your post, that I was compelled to prove you wrong, on your specific point (you stated that Washington was an ambitious lobbyist of the CiC position). I showed where ambition never played into it. That was an inference you drew because he showed up in uniform to the Second Continental Congress. Nothing I read agrees with you. To that point I am well satisfied.

I am glad we agree that Washington was a great man, faults and all. You see, I never stated he was perfect as I refuse to place any man upon a pedestal. Washington was, however, a man of values. Something sorely lacking by politicians, both democrats and republicans, today. That was my point.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 1:14 PM

Thank You Sandy Pitts & Walter F. Bilenski III, USAF (ret.) for your letters to the Editor this week. Made my Day!

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 1:13 PM

Kudos to Sandy Pitts & Walter F. Bilenski III, USAF (ret.) for your respective LTE.

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 12:29 PM

GetRealNow you clearly misread my post because you refuted it with information about when he was asked to become president.

Now that you've seen your error you are trying to claim that Washington didn't campaign to be Commander in Chief and that he wasn't a politician. He met with John Adams and other delegates about the post and showed up in uniform as a signal that he was ready to fight. By the way, Washington was one of the delegates to the Continental Congress and had been for years. John Adams then nominated him. After a debate he was selected. He didn't partake in the debate, although he had told John Adams that he wouldn't charge a salary just expenses.

You should read "George Washington - First in Politics". If you open your mind you might find it enlightening. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-215_162-3842...

Again, I think that George Washington was a great man but he wasn't perfect. There was nothing in the air breeding perfect politicians in 1775.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 12:20 PM

I did not misread your post Sam_1776.

There is no credible source that I can find that states Washington lobbied for commander-in-chief of the Continental Army.

Why even Wikipedia (hardly credible) states, "Congress created the Continental Army on June 14, 1775, and discussed who should lead it. Washington had the prestige, military experience, charisma and military bearing of a military leader and was known as a strong patriot; he was also popular in his home province. There was no other serious competition for the post, although Washington did nothing to actively pursue the appointment. Massachusetts delegate John Adams nominated Washington, believing that appointing a southerner to lead what was then primarily an army of northerners would help unite the colonies. Washington reluctantly accepted, declaring "with the utmost sincerity, I do not think myself equal to the Command I [am] honored with."

History shows that Washington was no politician. Statements that he actively lobbied for CiC appear false in the face of evidence and seems to be an inference drawn from the fact that he appeared in uniform. While literature concedes he did show up in uniform to the Second Continental Congress, he did so to show that he was ready to fight for his nation.

For me, George Washington is our greatest president and if modern day Pols were more like him, our nation would be the better for it.

The readers of the Banter Box will draw their own conclusions.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wash...

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 9:24 AM

Yes we can thank a lot of great people who helped win our independence but I don't think that we'd be speaking German. I think we might have been a lot like Canada.

-- Posted by Geordey on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 8:07 PM

JYD, That's a great perspective.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 7:38 PM

Happy Independence Day to all.




-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 7:32 PM

GetRealNow my facts don't need checking. You need to read more carefully. I had not disputed what you said about Washington becoming president. I was talking about when the Continental Congress in 1775 made him Commander in Chief of the Army, you know, the main general.

Washington was admired greatly after we won the Revolution and was a great man, an imperfect great man.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 5:11 PM

With the attitude of the day, it may have been easy to bring a room full of white men to tears because GW was turning gray and going blind.


Washington was a great leader, but as GetRealNow has said, it's a mistake to elevate men to near godhood. Nothing good could come from Article I Section 2 (it was tainted and all that was based on it was tainted as well), as it was written when Washington was President; he lobbied for the ratification of the Constitution.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 4:16 PM

Happy Independence Day Everyone! God save the Republic!

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 2:11 PM

Sam_1776, the University of Virginia's Miller Center of American History disagrees with your post, as do I. According to George Washington, A Life in Brief posted at http://millercenter.org/president/washin..., "The war's end saw considerable maneuvering for personal power, and matters came to a head in the spring of 1783. Washington was approached by some senior army officers who proposed to make him king. A great many men--almost any man--would have jumped at the chance for such authority; George Washington, however, was not one of them. He had spent the past decade ridding America of a monarch and was saddened and dismayed at the prospect of saddling the country with a monarchy. The officers set a meeting to advance their ambitions, but Washington preempted them with a meeting of his own.

Many people attending Washington's meeting favored the idea of installing some form of military dictatorship. If they had had their way, America might have disintegrated into rule by a pack of feudal warlords, ripe for anarchy or foreign takeover. Washington and his officers traded cold stares. Then the general began to read a letter supporting his viewpoint, but he stopped and put on a pair of spectacles--something few of them had ever seen him wear. Washington quietly said, "Gentlemen, I have grown gray in your service, and now I am going blind." In seconds, almost everyone was wiping away tears. The so-called Newburgh Mutiny had ended even before it began, thanks to Washington's meeting.

A meeting of all the states, known now as the Constitutional Convention, was held in Philadelphia in May 1787. Because the convention proceedings were secret, there was public apprehension about the fate of their fledgling country. It was obvious to the convention delegates that leadership was needed to soothe public doubts and to lend the proceedings credibility. Despite his reluctance, Washington was unanimously chosen to head the assembly that developed the Constitution, the foundation of American government. One of its provisions called for something known as a president, and immediately the delegates began whispering that there was only one man to consider for the position. Washington did not want the office, but he worked for over a year to ensure the Constitution's ratification, which was achieved in June of 1788."

Far from the ambitious lobbyist you make him out to be. Your facts need checking.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 2:11 PM

GetRealNow, I'm using the dictionary.com definition of leader. Whether we are all happy with them or not, our President, Supreme Court, Senators, Representatives, Governor and Legislators are our leaders.

The Founding Fathers got themselves into government into positions of leadership so I'm not sure how you can say that they didn't consider themselves to be the leaders of their time.

George Washington was very ambitious, marrying into most of his money. He showed up at the Continental Congress in a uniform that he designed hoping that he would be asked to be the Commander in Chief. He lobbied for the position.

As a commander he made a lot of mistakes at first, one of which was trusting Benedict Arnold to hold West Point. Washington was a great man but he wasn't perfect.

I agree that a lot of our current leaders need to be reminded that they work for the people of the United States. We the people though need to remember that the will of the people of the United States is determined through elections.

If you are in a minority on a major issue then you disagree with the will of the people and so might not get what you want from the people running our government.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 1:41 PM

Sam_1776, you began your piece with, "The founders of America weren't saints. They were imperfect like we are and our current leaders." You are historically accurate in your post; how you began is what I find intriguing. I ask you, when did our elected officials become our leaders? Certainly, the Founding Fathers did not consider themselves our leaders. Reluctant heroes, perhaps. George Washington (who presumably you could not find fault with in your post) had to be pressured to run for the presidency. He did not think he would make a good president and feared he would be likened to king and thought someone else would be better suited to the task. In my opinion, Americans need to look for the reluctant heroes, not politicians. Hold them accountable. Simply because you stand out front, doesn't make you a leader. That is abundantly clear today. It's our fault; Americans have elevated elected officials to near godhood very nearly approaching examples set in marble by ancient Greece. While I am all for cutting them some slack, you can only cut so much before you reach the end of your line. It's wholly appropriate to remind these men and women elected officials that they work for us and in America, the people are the leaders.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 12:51 PM

Thank you Goatbeard, that is one I was unaware of. There are already forigen troops guarding something at Yosemite National park. All I know is This is HIGH TREASON by this administration, if it is correct. I for one will NEVER do ANYTHING I am told by a forigen troop on AMERICAN SOIL!!! Push comes to shove, I know who will go in the ground first.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 12:22 PM

Just google "Russian troops help america". Pick the one you believe most. They can't all be right wing lies.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 12:05 PM

Goat beard, what story are you refering to?

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 11:53 AM

Will these FEMA camps have swimming pools?

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 11:46 AM

It looks like the right fringe is going with building on a favorite conspiracy theory that the foreign troops are in the United States to confiscate guns and herd people into FEMA camps.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM

North Korea is worth mentioning too.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 10:15 AM

It may be because that there are a few countries near Russia's southern border that are being inflexible in several areas of concern, i.e. Syria and Iran.

A more irrational, fearful view would be that Russia will help our government herd us all into FEMA camps, where we'll all be killed, gassed by the formaldehyde fumes present in the camper trailers we'll be housed in.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 9:25 AM

Venture?! A venture involves uncertainty of outcome.No one can post here and expect unanimity.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 9:11 AM

What kind of national security events is the Government expecting where it needs Foreign (russian) troops to help defend us?

-- Posted by goatbeard on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 8:52 AM

The founders of America weren't saints. They were imperfect like we are and our current leaders.

* They were divided from the start on slavery, and the role of the federal vs. the state government.

* Thomas Jefferson had children with one of his slaves and they for sure weren't married.

* Aaron Burr killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel. When he left for the duel Burr wrote to his daughter telling her what dirt that he had on others so that if he died she could support herself through blackmail.

* Ben Franklin was a well known "womanizer".

* One of John Adam's sons died of alcoholism after his father tried tough love to get him to mend his ways.

They were imperfect human beings like we all are so maybe we should consider giving everyone a break.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 5:08 PM

Wow! Pale Ale, awesome response...lol. I believe the sentence was referring to the values, as in choosing between the values between present day and those of 1776, using presidents as examples.

Good job, though, trying to use a simple point to dilute the value of the piece. LOL!

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 11:25 AM

I don't believe that the "United States" had a President in 1776.

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 11:17 AM

Protect the values of the Founding Fathers? Repeal the 14th Amendment? Not a lot of people who are gonna be down with that 3/5ths thing.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 11:08 AM

Recently, sara-connor posted; "The democrats are the progressive and forward looking party whereas the hardened republicans, tea party or conservatives appear to the the regressive political party in the USA.

Progressives strive to use technology, forward-looking thought processes and are inclusive. Regressives appear to want to go back to the 1770s to a time before electricity, telephones, access to reliable food supplies and widespread educational opportunities for all."

If you believe in what the "family" posted, conservatives are anti-technology. Really? I wonder if the family can produce the name of one conservative who has publicly spoken out against technology. They won't be able to. What you will find are conservatives who are against the abuse of technology; against our government using technology as a weapon against its people. Recent activities of the IRS and the NSA should be a wake up call to all Americans. If by forward-thinking, the family means turn a blind eye to the abuses of a presidential administration gone astray; awash in its own power, then they're right. We are against that kind of technology. Absolutely.

The family calls us regressive; why? Not because we want to go back to the 1770s but because we seek to protect the Constitution and the Country for which it stands. We seek not to go back to the 1770s, but to protect the values of the the Founding Fathers. Liberal progressives have been attacking American values for decades. They rely on American apathy to further their agenda. If I had to chose from the values of the current president of the United States, or the first president of the United States, I chose 1776. Absolutely.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 9:58 AM

Nobody speaks for me JYD or makes up my mind for me on anything. Stay cool dude. Tools get hot in this heat:)

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 10:22 PM

mytwobits, I don't think you know whether what was said had facts to back it up or not and no names were mentioned. However, you without facts accused someone of slander and rudeness which seems pretty rude.

Slander and libel get confused a lot as does imply and infer so I wouldn't take the corrections to your use of the word slander personal. It was just a correction.

-- Posted by Podkaine on Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 11:43 AM

"Until the great mass of the people shall be filled with the sense of responsibility for each other's welfare, social justice can never be attained."

Helen Keller

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 9:43 AM

Folks this is just a little PSA, please oh please, have a local tire place check your tires if they are older. I passed no less that 15 motorist on the road yeserday with blown tires, thank goodness ISP and the Response Crew were out in force to help out. The reason for all these blow outs is very simple, older tires do not do well against extremely hot road surfaces, older tread wall or weak stops are amplified by the surface heat, air heat and tire heat, and will fail almost every time. I dont know about you, but I dont want to be stuck on I84 with a flat because I didnt ensure my tires were good to go for the conditions. Likewise, ensure you have a spare, at least four of the cars did not, or the spare was flat, all four either were elderly or had kids in the car. Again, this is just a friendly PSA... continue with the Banter...

-- Posted by scoutin on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 5:30 PM

And there you have it. Folks, who on here really cares that slander is spoken and libel is written? Was my point any less effective? Did everyone get it? And if I were to have misspelled something, would it have really made a difference in the whole gist of things?

It is irresponsible and plain wrong to make accusations on a site such as this that serves a small community where everyone knows everyone. The accusations were not backed by any facts whatsoever, so what function did it serve except to potentially cause harm to the accused and their spouse and family? It was in poor taste if nothing else.

Consider me signed off for good. Folks need to get back to the basics of what your grandparents tought you.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 4:31 PM

It is not slander or libel if it's true.

-- Posted by Geordey on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 4:13 PM

Point of order: Slander is spoken, libel is written.

-- Posted by lilmissmelmo on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 2:28 PM


I was not speaking to you of slander, unless you and massgirlnow are one and the same.

Misappropriate means to use funds illegally. That would be a crime. If that happened, that would be on the commissioners. They would have approved it themselves. Not the current Chief. Who would have been the undersheriff or chief deputy at the time.

I will not be dragged into an argument that is all over the map. One topic at a time. And I won't continue an exchange with someone who is snide or rude or wanting to argue for the sake of argument.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM

My two bits : "tax dollars bought commissioners guns " - Oct 17, 2001. Don't talk to me about slander! And that's my two bits.

-- Posted by pursuitofhappy on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 7:47 AM


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sure sounds like you are accusing the MHPD Chief of Police of a crime. If you really believe that, do you think the banter box is the appropriate way to approach this? The word slander comes to mind.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 2:30 AM

When I have told people from out of state (even including people from places like China and Iran) some of the crap that goes on in Idaho they can't believe it.

One thing you may want to look at is the Idaho Judicial Council, which takes the Penn State Athletic Department approach to dealing with judicial misconduct. The former mission statement for the Idaho State Judiciary spoke of "increasing the public's trust and confidence in the Idaho Courts". I would have more trust and confidence in a high mileage Yugo than in the Idaho Courts!

-- Posted by Charlemagne on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 11:53 PM

Winterstorm : trust me, all true. From misappropriation of funds at the sheriffs department to adultery, twice! Shame.

-- Posted by pursuitofhappy on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 11:36 PM


Interesting comment I've heard lots of gossip, unethical conduct in the police Dept. over the years

-- Posted by WinterStorm on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 7:52 PM


I'm a little confused by your post. If you are referring to Mountain Home's police chief, he was hired from the Sheriff's dept. The one before that was hired from out of state, I believe, and the one before that I also think was hired from the Sheriff's office. Not sure if Chief George was promoted from within or not. That's going back a ways.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 7:00 PM

My two bits, re Adultery, though immoral and unethical it can get you promoted to Chief of Police.. nice.

-- Posted by pursuitofhappy on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 3:48 PM

This is an extract from the Syllabus of the Supreme Court's decision regarding DOMA.

"The history of DOMA's enactment and its own text demonstrate that interference with the equal dignity of same-sex marriages, a dignity conferred by the States in the exercise of their sovereign power, was more than an incidental effect of the federal statute. It was its essence. The House Report announced its conclusion that "it is both appropriate and necessary for Congress to do what it can to defend the institution of traditional heterosexual marriage. . . . H. R. 3396 is appropriately entitled the 'Defense of Marriage Act.' The effort to redefine 'marriage' to extend to homosexual couples is a truly radical proposal that would fundamentally alter the institution of marriage."

H. R. Rep. No. 104-664, pp. 12-13 (1996). The House concluded that DOMA expresses "both moral disapproval of homosexuality, and a moral conviction that heterosexuality better comports with traditional (especially Judeo-Christian) morality." Id., at 16 (footnote deleted). The stated purpose of the law was to promote an "interest in protecting the traditional moral teachings reflected in heterosexual-only marriage laws." Ibid. Were there any doubt of this far-reaching purpose, the title of the Act confirms it: The Defense of Marriage."

Where does "free will" exist in a culture whose citizens expect some preferential treatment to be granted by the Divine based on the legislation of "...traditional (especially Judeo-Christian) morality", the purpose of which is to quash the "Free will" of others?


-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 9:28 AM

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" so says the Declaration of Independence.

-- Posted by Geordey on Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 7:08 PM

It seems to me that most people are in favor of voter ID laws as a concept but disagree on how the laws are applied.

In Kenya they seem to be doing a good job in seeing that everyone can get a voter ID.

In the United States there seems to be a push for voter IDs WITHOUT the help in getting the voter IDs. This would mean that a large percentage of young people living in poorer neighborhoods where they don't have cars to drive and therefore don't have good identification would have to go to great efforts to gather the information needed to identify themselves and apply for and get a voter ID.

This makes it look like some people in the U.S. are using voter IDs to disenfranchise voters who may have different experiences and voting patterns from them.

Does that make more sense now Moral Majority?

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 6:43 PM

I wounder why Obama is praising the voter Id laws they have in Africa, and then saying it disinfranchises people here? I just cant figure out which side of his mouth we are supposed to believe.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 3:21 PM

The writers of the Constitution were brilliant men but even they could not foresee the

demoralization of our/their country. We are a do what you want country now, don't worry about future ramifications just "be happy". So what if your civil liberties, that are based on personal choices, are against 90% of the rest of the countries views and Gods'.

-- Posted by gmoney on Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 2:45 PM


I have pondered that very same thing. And yes, one does "cause" the other. However, my views based on my desire to please God does not agree with men being with men and women being with women. So therefore, I cannot support any law that would enable this to happen.

People were given free will by their maker. We can choose to do anything we want, right or wrong. But we'll answer for it one day. I'm trying to make my list of things that I'll have to answer for as short as possible. Can be hard sometimes, doing the right thing. That's when you ask for help. And it's always there.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 11:46 AM

mytwobits it seems like there are two questions of right and wrong.

1. Is it wrong to discriminate against people?

2. Is it wrong to have sex outside of marriage?

By discriminating against people, preventing marriage, doesn't that encourage the second wrong to occur?

I prefer to follow our constitution as it has been amended over the years to meet the needs of the changing times. Our constitution currently prohibits discrimination. It does not involve itself with sex practices. That's why I agree with the decision of the Supreme Court yesterday.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 11:23 AM

Great piece in the opinion section Bazookman.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 9:28 AM


OOps, my bad. It was sam1776 that asked the initial question. Sorry.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 7:21 AM


I don't condone adultery or any relationship (sexual) outside of marriage. I believe that we are getting further and further away from what is right. There used to be laws in the state of Idaho against fornication. Maybe there still is and the powers that be choose to ignore them. So I'm certainly not picking on one group of people. That just happened to be what you asked about specifically. Actually you asked about the ruling, but same sex marriage is pretty much what it was all about, or am I wrong. If so, I apologize.

Remember back when "I Love Lucy" was showing? If you recall, Lucy and Ricky slept in separate beds, although they were married. Now on tv, they will show or say anything. No wonder our children are having trouble with what is right and what is wrong. I chose to have no satellite or cable connection for my tv, because it was getting really difficult to find something to watch that had no course language, or free for all sex or households filled with kids who showed no respect for their elders and those shows were supposed to be funny.

I feel that we are in a bad place, and it's only getting worse with every new law that allows us to keep going down the "wide path".

-- Posted by mytwobits on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 10:39 PM

The DOMA was descriminatory against a group of people denying them the same protections and benefits provided to most Americans. The Supreme Court didn't rule in favor of homosexuality but ruled against discrimination.

-- Posted by Geordey on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 6:58 PM

I take issue with your premise because hetero-sexual people who are married have been committing adultery for hundreds of years which is also against God's word, yet there is no systematic movement to oppose their marriages. It's a double standard.

-- Posted by yoB on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 6:41 PM

I give.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 6:22 PM


Good question. I think this. God has been known to turn His back on nations who have turned their back on Him. I don't want to be a part of that. So I've made myself familiar with His Word and I try to adhere to it. Sometimes that means taking a stand on things that are unpopular and cause us to be rediculed and persecuted. But we need to stand firm anyway. But, as said before, I don't hate others for the choices they make. But I don't have to act in a way that might be misconstrued as condoning.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 6:22 PM

Thank you Mr. Bob, but I'll decide what I comment on.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 6:03 PM


Should government legislate based on what God intended?

-- Posted by yoB on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 4:50 PM

Sam 1776,

I don't consider it progress. I consider it to be another way we are turning our backs on what God intended.

I'm not a hater of gay people. I just don't condone the life style. But I would be the first person to jump in and defend a gay person if I saw someone trying to harm them.

I think it would be great if we could all give our opinions like Sam asked and remain civil. First one who fails at this, shame on you!

-- Posted by mytwobits on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 4:12 PM


I dont believe a word of it. It "only" took a month to find this out. Seems a little suspicious to me.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 3:36 PM


-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 3:34 PM

Mr. History, I promise to not use your answer against you. It might be something we can work together to make it better. Who knows?

-- Posted by bob8492 on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 2:18 PM

Mr. History, just a question, no argument or statement, just a question. You do not think the President is perfect. What would you change? Is it something YOU would make better? I want to understand your position.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 1:26 PM

What does everyone think about the Supreme Court saying no to the Defense of Marriage act? I'm glad to see our country s-l-o-w-l-y progressing into the 21st Century.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 1:15 PM

No you aren't correct. I respect the POTUS but don't think that he is perfect. I'd like for people to honestly comment on things and yes, I will frequently correct your misinformation including your latest claim that he has an "anti-American agenda".

It's just more of your trash talk, which is based on what you want to be true, not what is true. The "moral" thing to do is to tell the truth. You are not in the "majority" as shown by the last presidential election. Time to get over that don't you think?

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 11:52 AM

History Nerd, what you appear to be saying over and over again is that you really love the President of the United States and that you'll turn any bit of information or misinformation into another reason to excuse and except his administration and their Anti-American agenda.

Am I understanding this correctly?

-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 10:39 AM

Moral majority, what you appear to be saying over and over again is that you really hate the President of the United States and that you'll turn any bit of information or misinformation into another reason to blame and accuse him.

Am I understanding this correctly?

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 9:20 AM

And now the Supreme Court is not good enough for Obama.


I wounder when he will declare himself king?

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM

If it was not for foregin aid, I dont believe there is a country that would give a second thought to Obama. Seems I read something about France, England, Germany, and more are not to pleased with him either. He has turned us from a dominent, respected Country, into a joke in the rest of the worlds eyes.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 2:28 PM

MM wait until the Tea Party hears that Putin is the whole world! Russia and China who have never been our best buds aren't the whole world either. It sounds like just more Obama hate spewing forth.

-- Posted by Geordey on Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 1:26 PM

Mr. Bob, try to follow along with what you wrote yourself. How about an honest discussion without negative personalizations?

"Sara took the 5th and refused to answer simple questions regarding her position(s). When she hides she looses creditability."

-- Posted by bob8492 on Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 8:02 AM

"Oh Sara, Sara, you make me smile so. Since this forum has turned civil and everyone (including me) in now nice let me say a few things very gently. Family and friends ...okay, much discussion, was that "yea, right?", and since you took the 5th a while back (did not forget) and are probably still on the payroll(hee-hee) your views might be irrelevant unless you come clean."

-- Posted by bob8492 on Mon, Jun 24, 2013, at 6:48 PM

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 1:10 PM

Russia rejects US demand for Snowden's extradition:

My thoughts on why no one will listen to Obama.

How are those apology tour dividends playing out for you now Obama. I would laugh, but thanks to your complete ineptitude at governing, our country is all but lost. What do you think of the rest of the world,now telling us to Fly a kite? Your a pathetic excuse of a potus, and no one is scared of the United States anymore. So who are you trying to intimidate, THEY ARE LAUGHING AT YOU!!!


-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 11:38 AM

Mr. History, no one died and made me Pope! No one has to answer TO me or answer my questions. My position stands for itself. We come to these forms to have reasonable discussion, interaction, dialogue, to ask and answer question regarding our positions to better understand, to make better decisions and make things better. Those who have followed along know and understand.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 11:08 AM

Mr. Bob, I've looked but I can't see where anyone commenting on the blog is required to answer your questions.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 9:50 AM

Mr. History, let me assure you of my independence. I value my vote and take pride in knowing and trying to understand differing positions. The BEST man or WOMEN for my vote. Simply put.. the best PERSON regardless of race, religion, sex, or political party. Seems to me that positions speaks well of "independent" status. Sara took the 5th and refused to answer simple questions regarding her position(s). When she hides she looses creditability. If you did nothing wrong or have nothing to hide let the sunshine on your views. Don't just tell us what you are against... I don't like this, I don't like that, that is a bad idea, no, boo, etc. Tell us something you might fix or make better, tell us something you stand for. Tell us something you want to move forward as an agenda. Stand on your own two feet not hide behind "family and friends". Standup, be counted! don't hide! Not the 5th!!!! I refuse to answer on the grounds that my answer may make me look bad. Reasonable questions should get reasonable answers. So, Mr. History, agree? Am I out of line? Is my position unreasonable? What should I change in my thinking? Help me or move closer to my neutral position.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 8:02 AM

Mr. Bob, you seem to be more particularly intolerant of Sara. Which do you hate the most about her, that she is liberal or that she is a woman?

Judging from your views I'd guess that you are disguising yourself as an independent. Don't be afraid to come out of the Tea Party, or other, closets.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Mon, Jun 24, 2013, at 8:50 PM

Oh Sara, Sara, you make me smile so. Since this forum has turned civil and everyone (including me) in now nice let me say a few things very gently. Family and friends ...okay, much discussion, was that "yea, right?", and since you took the 5th a while back (did not forget) and are probably still on the payroll(hee-hee) your views might be irrelevant unless you come clean. I for one am very proud to be very independent and always vote for the best person as I see it to get the job done and support the position which upholds the Constitution and American rights. I am not for or against anyone because of race, religion, or political party...after all.. I have several friends who are Democrats and several friends who are Republicans and they drive all kinds of cars and trucks. Many of them believe all sorts of weird things. Maybe unlike you they are tolerant of other people's opinions and respect individual differences. Wisdom, Sara, wisdom.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Mon, Jun 24, 2013, at 6:48 PM

After much weekend discussion our friends and family finally have a primitive understanding of our political parties. The democrats are the progressive and forward looking party whereas the hardened republicans, tea party or conservatives appear to the the regressive political party in the USA.

Progressives strive to use technology, forward-looking thought processes and are inclusive. Regressives appear to want to go back to the 1770s to a time before electricity, telephones, access to reliable food supplies and widespread educational opportunities for all.

Maybe this explains why some people get confused about ownership and stealing issues? Just a thought.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Jun 24, 2013, at 8:00 AM

That sounds like a puzzler Mr. Bob. Why not go out to the base and hot wire one of the government vehicles and take it for a drive? I'm sure after they arrest you they'll explain the concept to you.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Sun, Jun 23, 2013, at 6:55 PM

I have been following the Snowden story via all sources of media. I see he has been charged with stealing U.S. gov't property along with other things. So my Question to this community is this - If he is a U.S. citizen, which by all accounts he is, how can he steal U.S. property which he is a owner(at least in part)? Question, can you steal something you own? I guess I do not understand this charge. ?

-- Posted by bob8492 on Sun, Jun 23, 2013, at 2:50 PM

GetRealNow, JunkyardDog, and Mr. Bob. Here is a web site for you. It is "The Glenn Beck Conspiracy Theory Generator". It claims to provide "Fair and Balanced Paranoia, Delivered on Demand."

Using this you will never run out of conspiracies to worry about.


-- Posted by History_Nerd on Sun, Jun 23, 2013, at 2:00 PM

Here is how Merriam-Webster defines wing nut. What is your preferred dictionary GetRealNow, the "Glenn Beck Guide for Idiots?"

1: a nut with wings that provide a grip for the thumb and finger

2 slang : a mentally deranged person

3 slang : one who advocates extreme measures or changes : radical

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Sun, Jun 23, 2013, at 1:39 PM

OMG Nerd! Urban Dictionary? What a joke! No wonder you can't understand what's taking place in our country today. If "Urban Dictionary" is the source of reference for the liberal progressive movement, no wonder you're all sadly misguided. LMAO!

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sat, Jun 22, 2013, at 4:53 PM


-- Posted by History_Nerd on Sat, Jun 22, 2013, at 11:56 AM

WHEW!!!!!!!!!!! for a minute there Mr. History you had me worried. But, as I am way older then those you mentioned I guess I do not have to worry. Then again, maybe I was just way ahead of my time and a trend setter when I was younger? probably so don't you think. you guys need to catch up.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Sat, Jun 22, 2013, at 10:39 AM

Mr. Bob this is how Urban Dictionary defines wing nut.

"n. An outspoken, irrational person with deeply-held, nominally conservative, political views. A person who chooses on principle to be flagrantly ignorant. A "right-wing nut".

Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Fred Phelps are examples of the wingnut element in modern America."

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Sat, Jun 22, 2013, at 10:22 AM

We're glad to see the conservatives and now what passes for an independent in Mountain Home revise history to suit their political needs. While their Benghazi, IRS and Birth Certificate conspiracy theories are harder to disprove with history being so short, the Ben Franklin quotes and Revolutionary War history is quite clear. The only question that remains? Why do these people need to play the false victim and want to find any excuse to start a new revolution? See you at marching practice boys.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sat, Jun 22, 2013, at 7:07 AM

hmmmm, you got me thinkin' Mr. History, you calling me a right winger are you? hmmm, maybe that is why when I was younger my siblings always said to me things like... "your wing nut is loose"..."you are a wing nut" ... seems to me some association with "right winger".

-- Posted by bob8492 on Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 8:41 PM

thank you Mr. History. When I read this I knew you would set me straight. Thanks.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 7:52 PM

Good job on fracturing history in order to fit your right wing agenda Mr. Bob. You should look up the definition of right wing. Here is one: "the conservative faction of an assembly, party".

I wouldn't exactly call the start of the Revolutionary War a right wing thing. They were wanting a new world, and representation. They weren't longing for the old ways. Instead they were looking forward.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 5:31 PM

Have at it folks!

"Seventy-two killed resisting gun confiscation in Boston

National Guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned

assault weapons were ambushed by elements of a para-military extremist

faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed

and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to


Speaking after the clash, Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage declared

that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has

links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement. Gage blamed the

extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed against internal

revenue offices. The governor, who described the group's organizers as

"criminals," issued an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of

any individual who has interfered with the government's efforts to secure

law and order. The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed

widespread refusal by the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed

assault weapons.

Gage issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and ammunition

earlier in the week. This decision followed a meeting in early this month

between government and military leaders at which the governor authorized

the forcible confiscation of illegal arms.

One government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, pointed out

that "none of these people would have been killed had the extremists

obeyed the law and turned over their weapons voluntarily." Government

troops initially succeeded in confiscating a large supply of outlawed

weapons and ammunition.

However, troops attempting to seize arms and ammunition in Lexington met

with resistance from heavily armed extremists who had been tipped off

regarding the government's plans. During a tense standoff in Lexington's

town park, National Guard Colonel Francis Smith, commander of the

government operation, ordered the armed group to surrender and return to

their homes. The impasse was broken by a single shot, which was reportedly

fired by one of the right-wing extremists. Eight civilians were killed in

the ensuing exchange.

Ironically, the local citizenry blamed government forces rather than the

radical extremists for the civilian deaths. Before order could be

restored, armed citizens from surrounding areas had descended upon the

guard units. Colonel Smith, finding his forces over matched by the armed

mob, ordered a retreat.

Governor Gage has called upon citizens to support the state/national

joint task force in its effort to restore law and order. The governor also

demanded the surrender of those responsible for planning and leading the

attack against the government troops. Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and John

Hancock, who have been identified as "ringleaders" of the extremist

faction, remain at large.

And this, people, is how the American Revolution began on April 20, 1775.

Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it."

hmmm, I read with interest and wondered.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 2:59 PM

I see that Mike Bradbury in the Opinion Letters has misquoted Benjamin Franklin. He should read the article "Those Who Use This Benjamin Franklin Quote Deserve Not to Be Taken Seriously".

He also said that Benjamin Franklin would have been in trouble for flying a kite without a permit if he lived today. I've never heard of anyone in the United States being in trouble over flying a kite. That seems to be an exaggeration along with his other many exaggerations in his letter.

The letter seems to be about the changes since the late 1700's and Mike is against them.

Mike, our forefathers didn't create a plan to live by forever. They created a constitution that could be amended by the people because they didn't think that they had all of the answers and that we would never change.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 7:54 PM

Is the fishing competition info listed somewhere on the mountain home news website? If I would have heard about it sooner then I would have taken my kids. KTVB made it sound like a good deal for a good cause. I hope it is somewhere on the mountain home news website and I over looked it. It would be pretty sad it wasn't covered and a place in Boise has to mention it first.

-- Posted by mrl83 on Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM

I see all the watering too. Sprinklers were on all weekend just recently and water was pooling up in the parking lot.

If you go over there and look at the grass, it is very brown and dry, it's not doing anything at all but wasting water. Either adjust the sprinklers, spray fertilizer(more tax $) or just stop watering...

-- Posted by UM1233 on Tue, Jun 18, 2013, at 9:04 AM


Good for you for being observant and cost conscience. I know you have written about this before as I have read your reports. Let me assure you ... absolutely... that several teachers during the school year complained to Sherri (principal now at central office) about the unneeded grass cutting and watering. Tim HAS to be aware!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just remember this the next time a levy vote comes up. Your tax dollars at work.

Geeeze, now I am going to be in trouble with everybody. darn!

-- Posted by bob8492 on Mon, Jun 17, 2013, at 4:08 PM

More on your tax dollars being spent by your local MHSD 193. The grass at West was sprayed for weeds this morning and less then 1 hour later the sprinklers are going full tilt. It don't need mowing either but expect to see that in a day or two.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Mon, Jun 17, 2013, at 12:11 PM

For some perspective, Grumpy Old White Guy should read "What's the Matter with White People?: Finding Our Way in the Next America" by Joan Walsh.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Sun, Jun 16, 2013, at 11:08 AM


Great post! One of the best I've read. No animosity, no name calling, no hate. Thank You!

I told someone just the other day, almost verbatim, what you said about voting for the lesser of two evils. I will not be a part of that if it is within my power. So in my effort to not be a part of that, I guess I've gone too far in the other direction.

I try not to be totally in the dark about the current issues or even politics in general, but I am mindful of letting it consume me to the point of distraction. I have to remind myself that worrying and living in fear of what might be serves no useful function and only shows a lack of faith in the One who is truly in charge.

Sure is a beautiful day....

-- Posted by mytwobits on Sat, Jun 15, 2013, at 1:50 PM

I,too, believe everyone of voting age who has an understanding of the issues we face locally and nationally should exercise their constitutionally protected right to vote; one citizen, one vote. All too often in this country our voting citizens have no idea of the issues we are facing nor where the politician's they vote for stand on those issues. Mostly just vote down the line. I can't tell you how many news interviews, man/woman on the street type, where those queried have no idea what our President stands for let alone why they voted for him. In many cases, they just voted because that's how their friends voted or because their college professor continually ragged on his opponent. My friends, this is scary. I would also caution against voting for the lessor of 2 evils (one politician is closer to my stance than the other but both are still wrong). When we vote for lessor of 2 evils, we are still voting for evil. Having said that, in this "flavor of the day age" in which we currently live, it is nearly impossible to find a candidate with whom you agree on with everything. So, what's a voter to do. Arm yourself with knowledge. Do you homework and thoroughly vet the candidates (we can no longer count on the Press to do that for us). Meet with the candidates and ask them the tough questions. If we have a Pol who is not caring for our best interests, vote the bum(s) out of office. Find yourselves a good political group that believes as you do and attend some meetings to learn the issues. I speak of the Tea Party as one option, but certainly it's not the only option. Don't hate. Talk to those in your communities, your neighbors and friends. Engage them in thoughtful discussion. You may find you're more alike than you are different. If you disagree, part friends; you're still neighbors. The most important thing is to not to step into that voting booth unaware of what the candidate's stances are that gets your vote. That's what has lead us to where we are today. A dysfunctional country unable to hold a simple discussion on issues we face.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sat, Jun 15, 2013, at 11:09 AM


I understand the words you are saying however, I encourage you to participate in our democratic process by informing yourself about the two most important elections ON Earth. The Sheriff and the School Board. Both are local and this is where involvement begins. You CAN know who is running and what they stand for policy wise. These should not be political but policy based decisions. Ask what their position is on issues you care about. Religious freedom perhaps might be one issue close to you. Your vote counts! I support Your decision to make Jesus King in your life. You cannot go wrong there. hmmmm, think He was Rep. or Democ.? me neither.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 8:05 PM

That's a lot of complaining about Sara. Did she hurt your feelings or something?

-- Posted by Geordey on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 7:45 PM

GetRealNow and Bob8492,

Thanks, GetRealNow, for taking my comments as they were intended.

There was a time when I would have been amused by the snide comments and name calling on this forum. But, thankfully, those days are gone. I now find all the negativity to be sad and alarming. The goal of the enemy is to divide and conquer. I would say that the enemy is having some success.

When Sara called me a liar, my first response was to get angry. But that was short lived. I decided to use that energy to pray for her instead. From what I can gather from her posts, she does not seem to be at peace. My second response was the thought that maybe I had entered into some other universe where I had ceased to be me. Now Bob8492, this will probably disappoint you, but I have not voted in probably 10 years or so. In fact, I would have to register to vote in order to do so. If you were to tell me that I was irresponsible in that aspect, I could not tell you that you were wrong with any kind of conviction. Basically, I find politics to be intimidating in that I have a hard time sorting out the truths from the untruths after all the mudslinging, accusations, back scratching and media bias has taken place. So I choose not to get too involved. Plus, my choice in candidates would probably be based on different criteria than most other folks. So, if I am "tea party through and through", I am certainly a disgraceful member. Of course I am familiar with the term "tea party" but after that, not so much.

My political view is as follows: No matter who is president, God is still on the throne and will always be the reigning King.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 6:42 PM


Thanks for the kind words. I never expected everyone to agree with me and especially on everything. It seems as if some of the regulars on here do have some friendly discussions regarding a variety of issues. My goal has never been to change all the readers minds and bring everyone to my point of view. My goal was to have people decide what they could do to change the things they disagree with. Certainly there are things that the right and the left would agree that need work. Our votes count, our school board counts, our sheriff counts. etc. Sara, oh Sara, yes I know her kind, and her family and friends. When she refuses to share her ideas on how to make things better and only spills out hate and discontent she looses. Yes, I can ignore her and her family and friends. My question still is ... how do we make things better? Pick an issue that we agree upon and let's make it better. I do not care if it is local garbage collection to national climate control. Red or Blue, let's come together to make something better. After all, we are in this together, right? We are bigger then Congress, the President (whoever it is), our local school board or the neighborhood bully. Tell me something we are for!

-- Posted by bob8492 on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 5:14 PM

mytwobits and bob8492;

In your posts you have both been quite reasonable and courteous. What you are witnessing from sara-connor and their "family" is par for the course for the liberal-progressive mantra. Spit venom at those who do not believe as you do. How? First, align them to that group which liberal progressives fear the most, in this case the Tea Party. Next, villanize them and thus villanize the party. Where I run afoul of the "family" is when I attempt to defend those they attack. I feel every American has the right to the freedom of self-expression. Yet, because I do not think as they do, I must be a right-wing Tea Party racist loon. If it weren't that liberal progressives have been coordinating this type if vile attack across the country, and have been doing so for years now, it would be almost laughable. But this is no joke. The liberal-progressive agenda must be brought out of the shadows and into the light. You have been given a glimpse of how they operate on their posts. You asked reasonable questions and have been attacked for it. The "family" quickly aligned you as Tea Party faithfuls and then quickly villanized you. Welcome to the club.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 2:20 PM

I didn't try and tie anything together, I posed a question for consideration, but thanks once again for educating me on what I meant. I think you should write a book exclaming your brilliance. I know I would by a copy. Grandpas outhouse needs new TP.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 1:03 PM

The wild fantasy is trying to tie Obamacare to a controversial "right to die" law being considered in Belgium.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 9:20 AM

Wild fantasy, the subject of the article I posted is Taking place as we speak in Belgium. I would say thats a reality not a fantasy. But thank you once again for your educational review.

Have a great day!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 8:54 AM

Mr. Bob, you announced in so many words that you are a tea bagger in your post by bob8492 on Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 2:48 PM. Don't pretend to be neutral.

If you think that the tea party has a good argument pick something and back up your opinion by facts rather than a long litany of tea party accusations.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 6:42 PM

Euthanasia is just another wild fantasy Moral majority.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 6:35 PM

Will this be what Obama care could evolve into? Something to think about.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 12:40 PM

There is a great letter to the editor by Walter F. Bilenski III, U.S. Air Force retired.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 11:48 AM

Moral majority the web sites you cut and paste from are sneaky.

The quote you posted, some of it, came from the first Inaugural Address by Lincoln whose substance is not even close to what your quote suggests. It is out of context.

Added to that, the first part of the quote "America shall never be destroyed from the outside if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves" has been debunked as an actual quote from Lincoln and it certainly wasn't in the 1st Inaugural address.

You should really read the 1st Inaugural address. He was urging people to follow the constitution and the laws and to exercise reason. He told them that if they didn't like something they should use constitutional means to change it.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM

''America shall never be destroyed from the outside if we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Dont interfere with anything in the constitution.That must be maintained,for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.We the people are the masters of both Congress and the courts,not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the constitution.This country, with its institutions,belongs to the people who inhabit it.Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government,they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to overthrow it.''~Abraham Lincoln

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 10:37 AM

Sara, Sara, Sara..........you leave me stunned!

-- Posted by goatbeard on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 7:28 AM

Nice try mytwobits. Wouldn't your god, the perfect one, be upset with you for being less than truthful. You agree with Tea Party Bob's politics, you want political answers from me and my family/friends and you insist all politicians are somehow corrupt? And you say you're not into politics?

How can you live with yourself claiming to be a good religious person but preaching and spouting unpleasantness? Oh, there is no doubt you're Tea Party through and through.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 6:54 AM



-- Posted by bob8492 on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 7:49 PM


I can say with no reservations what so ever that you are extremely presumptious. I have no idea what all tea party people do, because I'm not familiar with them. I am neither democrat or republican and have no use for politics. You made an assumption, and you are so very wrong. You don't know anything about me at all. If you did, I doubt you'd be so agressive and mean spirited.....or maybe you would.

Why are you so angry?

I'm done with this exchange. Even Jesus moved on at some point, and He was a perfect man.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 6:33 PM

What scandal, Moral majority? Rational Wiki has this to say about your author.

"Michael T. Snyder (born October 9, 1989) is a fundamentalist Christian crank who has started numerous blogs as a testament to his raging insane belief that the world is about to end. He started with The Economic Collapse Blog in 2007, with constant articles stating how the world is going to hell every single day since the meltdown started in 2007. It seems as though Snyder blames the government for every ill in the world, because without it everything would be great.

Like most doom-sayers, it doesn't seem to faze Snyder one bit that every one of his past predictions of economic collapse were dead wrong. This horrendous track record would cause most people to reevaluate their beliefs in the effort to one day be right. Yet, he simply refuses to even address or acknowledge that he has been wrong thousands of times, especially if you count each numbered item of his massive lists. He seems to have explosive diarrhea of the mind that no amount of logic can slow or stop."

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 6:10 PM

A little more scandal for all to enjoy, aint it great to be an American.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 1:06 PM

mytwobits, thanks for the reminder to not be mean spirited, condescending and evasive, while you unsuccessfully tried not to sound ugly. Is the Tea Party always so preachy and demanding with indignant righteousness?

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 10:19 AM


I've been following this thread with an open heart and mind. It appears to me that you may be a little mean spirited. You seem condescending a lot of the time and evasive the rest of the time. I may be reading you wrong and God is absolutely the only one who truly knows your heart. However, could it be that a little self examine might be in order? It's important to know what motivates us.

My intention by stating these things is not meant to be ugly, just a friendly reminder that sometimes we lose ground when trying to educate people if we do it in a negative way.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 10:00 AM

MrBob, we saw what you did in your latest post. Because you decided to become just a sometimes sort of guy, we'll just leave one parting comment.

By insinuating we're taking the 5th because we won't answer your questions means we're somehow guilty of some nefarious act is laughable. Read back a ways to see where we already told you why we wouldn't. Maybe you're not intellectually challenged but reading comprehension seems to be a problem for you.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 9:00 AM

I have been trying to think of a way to say this... not good at good bye! Maybe like the olden days... ok, good buddy, 10-4, over and out. Adios, I give, Uncle. See you on the flip side. I am normally just a reader but got involved in this to encourage readers to do something to make things better. Each person, if they wanted, could attempt to make this a better place. This has not happened and quite frankly, lots of readers don't really seem to care. To bad, we all loose when all of us do not participate in the well being of the population. We ALL have something to contribute. There are many things in this city, State, and Country that are good and wonderful and great. There are some things we could work on, hmmm, what might those be? IMO, all (including me) of us need to look around the world and see what is happening. Change happens by evolution or revolution... kind of a fact of life (agree? how does change happen?) and the good Ole USA is in the mix somewhere. Turkey today, maybe Mexico or Canada tomorrow? Do not be mistaken my friends... we ARE in the mix somewhere. I am not advocating revolution (we had one once and the citizens were stronger for it). We had a civil war once and the country was better for it. Education (1st step of evolution) might be our last chance to peacefully come together. This is NOT a red/blue issue. It is an American issue. Not Idaho vs Iowa, or men vs women, or Republicans vs Democrats. Christian vs Muslim, etc. Your children or grand children will reap the benefits of the decisions we make today. Let's find some common ground to come together. Start with those things we agree upon and the issues that we collectively think we need to change. Can we do that? all of you carry on... I will be a sometimes reader. I feel as if I tried. I spent my two cents. and oh by the way MsMarilyn just address me as MrBob if you don't like 8492 and History_Nerd I hope you remember Rome and Sara, when you don't have anything to hide you do not need to take the 5th.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 7:39 AM


I appreciate your approach in this thread. You don't seem to be taking a side. You seem to just want certain folks to give their opinion on specific topics. I'm also curious as to how your questions would be answered.

-- Posted by mytwobits on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 12:34 AM

Bob do you really expect Sara to answer to a person with the last name 8492?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 12:07 AM

Oh, and Bob, it sounds like you don't reach the intellectual level for a response from Sara. In case you missed that point. BTW, I agree.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 11:37 PM

Has anybody else noticed that the Rattlesnake Station historical marker sign has been moved from Rattlesnake Station and is now located next to the display army tank by the reservoir? I didn't know you could move an actual historical site 5 miles, to a more convenient location. That must have been really hard. What with having to bend space and time and all....

-- Posted by uncommon sense on Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 9:52 PM

I'm in general pleased with how the economy is improving, and that an immigration bill stands a chance.

I'm not pleased that the Republicans in Congress are blocking votes on important legislation. I'm not pleased with the witch hunts trying to tie anything and everything to the White House.

I'm glad that Obama won the election and think that everyone that doesn't feel that way should maybe get over it and move on.

I'm annoyed that you, Bob, seem to think that you are the grand inquisitor. You're not.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 7:38 PM

History_Nerd, I am not a "hating" anything person. If you have followed along for the past several days you would know Sara has refused to tell the readers what if anything she (or her many friends)would change if she were in charge. Get it? You are very welcome to discuss any or all the issues mentioned in full detail if you like, have at it! hmmmm, or are you somehow connected to Sara as one of her "we" or "us"? I believe my position has been pretty clear. I vote for the best person to get the job done. I think all of our votes matter and we should be concerned about who we vote for from school board to sheriff. I believe the Constitution matters. I think the country is going in the wrong direction in lots of areas and only informed citizens can and will step up and call for a change. I believe in freedom of speech and I am willing to stand up and SAY what I believe in and what I disagree with. I support people having different views then what I see and I give creditability to those people who say I am wrong AND provide me a argument as to why I should change my position. To simply say I am wrong (Sara and maybe you?)and will not discuss the issues in a what are you for - what are you against forum are hiding behind a anonymous forum and are just trying to stir the pot rather then make things better. Now Mike Bradbury... you answer the question too... you do not like the direction of the country... you told us that...what is the next step? How do WE make it better? Or is everything honky-dory with most folks? Are we okay? nothing needs to be change? This is not Red vs Blue this is about being American.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 4:27 PM

bob8492 that looks like a lot of hogwash strung together to support an Obama hating platform. Why not a fair evaluation of every issue?

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 3:44 PM

Sara, now that we have most of the minor points out of the way can I get to the heart of my question to you? Will you PLEASE answer???? If you were in charge is there anything you disagree with? Would you change anything??? Is everything honky-dory with you???? Bengasi ok with you, IRS ok with you, AG Holder ok with you? NSA ok with you? Fast and furious ok with you? Illegal immigration ok with you? foreign aid ok with you? EPA ok with you? China owning our country ok with you? Printing money ok with you? well, you get the idea, right? Please, please, please answer! You can say "Yep, all is good"! "Wouldn't change a thing"! 100% good. At that point of your answer I can understand where you (and all those you claim to be "we" or "us") are coming from. Wow, then maybe I can rest!!!! Please answer, Please. You are not ashamed are you? You have nothing to hide do you? If it is the truth and lot of people feel as you do just say the truth. You know the truth will set you free. If you do not answer Sara, I will know you are hiding something, are ashamed of your position, you are taking the 5th like Lisa Learner. If you have nothing to hide, speak up.... and this is a anonymous forum.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 2:48 PM


Who is "we"? You keep referring over and over to "we". It's kind of strange.

Folks, we better start getting back to the "us" mentality because we are all in this running wreck together.

And, basically, politicians as a whole have their own agendas. Face it. I'm sure there are exceptions, but......

-- Posted by mytwobits on Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 1:16 PM

I like the way you write in the third party, like your God or a Queen or something. You are really special Sara, I think we can all see that.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 11:54 AM

Good old Bob, we would never tell you you don't meet our intellectual level until you give us a reason to do so. Just wondering where you got that idea? We won't sink down to the grouchy, grumpy level is all we told you. And not answering you question? Wow that is interesting but you'll not drag my friends and family into your insanity. Sorry.

GetRealNow, you ask what is the Tea Party rhetoric. Try reading Mr. Bradbury's letter to the editor and then read our posts again. If you are still confused ask Bob for a lesson for putting words in our mouth. Until then, keep on posting comments that will drive more republicans/moderate conservatives over to the Democrat Party.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Jun 10, 2013, at 10:15 PM

Moral majority, this article refutes your article.


Did you know that the only people that goes into the calculations are those that either currently do not have insurance, or have inadequate insurance, or those that buy their own insurance but want a better rate which they will get on the exchange.

The person that doesn't have insurance now will have an increase of 100% when buying insurance from the exchange. That's too bad. Now society doesn't have to pay for his or her medical expenses.

The person that buys substandard insurance may now have to buy adequate insurance and so yes the rate will be higher. Again, society doesn't have to help him or her out when he gets really sick or hurt.

Those currently buying their own adequate insurance so as to not be a burden on society are finding that their rates will be much lower.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Mon, Jun 10, 2013, at 3:52 PM

Ah,sara-connor; and what is the Tea Party rhetoric? That our government is a bloated wasteful entity? Do you find this to be inaccurate? Unreasonable? That if Congress votes for a program, they ought to have a way to pay for it? Where does that not make sense to you? That the Constitution is the most valuable document in history of a free mankind and it's worth protecting? Surely, you can't find fault with that? Please detail for us what you dislike about the Tea Party rhetoric? Here's what I think. I think you have never been to a Tea Party meeting and that you have no idea what the Tea Party is about? You merely regurgitate the liberal progressive talking points. You really have no idea, do you?

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Mon, Jun 10, 2013, at 1:45 PM

Sara, thank you for reading the comments and understanding that other people have differing views. I apologize to you that I seem to not meet your intellectual level of understanding. It is interesting that you did NOT answer my question. If you were in charge, what would you change? Or is everything hunky-dory? See, I may be on to your method of attack! You did not answer the question you were asked but ask a ridiculous question to throw me off track. I am kind of slow but I am on to ya! Hmmm, why is this about Red/blue and not about what is good for America? What would you think(say) if I said sometimes I vote Rep., sometimes Dem., sometimes independent because I vote for the person or the position/policy that I feel will be the best for our city, state and Country? I look forward to your answer. You up to it?

-- Posted by bob8492 on Mon, Jun 10, 2013, at 10:56 AM

A little more info on the impact of Obama care:


-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Jun 10, 2013, at 10:48 AM

Everyone should be concerned about the Government over reach we are becoming aware of. What is the old saying, they came for my neighbor and I said nothing, now they are here for me!

-- Posted by IdahoDuck on Mon, Jun 10, 2013, at 9:49 AM

We had a wonderful time reading the replies to our banter box. Bob, we saw what you did there, trying to get us to sink down to your level of grouchy, grumpy old white man status. Won't work. GetRealNow is trying to say Democrats are scared of the Tea Party? In one sense most of the Democrats we know are scared. We're scared the Tea Party will suddenly stop spouting their laughable conspiracy theories but after much talk, we're reasonably sure they won't or can't stop spouting. The way we see this is the Tea Party has been the best thing that has happened to the liberals. The exclude, alienate, and go extreme Tea Party rhetoric only pushes the middle-of-the-road voters over to the more reasonable candidate and that happens to be the liberals at this point. So we say to all Tea Party faithful, keep on writing, posting and foaming your way into irrelevance.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Mon, Jun 10, 2013, at 6:51 AM

I think the days of the Tea Party and other parties, as well as other entities getting tax deferred status while supporting political candidates or buying negative political campaign advertisements are over.

Sara makes some good points. IMO, all of this complaining and trying to make the White House responsible for the actions of a few in the IRS is just a way to distract people from working on a budget and passing some good laws. These activities will only make the Republican party just a local party, unable to win any national elections.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Sun, Jun 9, 2013, at 5:16 PM

wow Sara, little fired up ???? don't get things in a wad now. I am not a Tea Party member but a "normal" retired (working man) American who is also concerned with the direction of our Country. When the Constitution is stepped on by anyone we should take note. I am concerned that the IRS is... and has been... for a long time out of control. When two IRS tax people cannot give you the same answer by following tax code something is wrong (simplify the code or flat tax?)... would you agree? If you only see the good or the positive or the things you agree with you might only be looking with one eye. If you only see the heads side of a coin you have forgotten to see the tails side of the coin and hence the whole coin and the true value. So would you think there might be some things you would change if you were in charge? What might those be? Have at it! or is everything hunky-dory?

-- Posted by bob8492 on Sun, Jun 9, 2013, at 3:02 PM

Sara-Connor spends the majority of "their" posts swiping at Bradbury; why? Why spend so much time decrying the rants of one person? Fear; that's why. It's not that they fear Bradbury's opinions. Bradbury, as are many Americans, is simply frustrated about where he see our government heading right now. But "they" do fear. Fear that current events unfolding in Washington are going to have a negative impact of "their" progressive utopian ideals and a counter-revolution is at hand. Yes, that's it. If "they" can label Bradbury a Tea Party loon and thus diminish the whole concept of a group of citizens who uphold the Constitution as more than just an experiment (Obama called our form of government, an experiment in a recent speech he delivered) in Government, but as the preeminent historical vision of self-government of the people whose victory over tyranny paved the way for other countries to follow our example. If our form of government is an experiment, what was Hitler's form of government? Mao's? Stalin's? Were those, and the millions of lives they tolled, just experiments too? The concerted efforts of Washington liberals and their media lapdogs to attack the Tea Party at every turn from every outlet by claiming the party is racist (Morgan Freeman, a respected actor, going on a morning talk show and calling the Tea Party racists and the NAACP calling the Tea Party racists are a couple of examples) and using the IRS to hold back the growth of the party is exactly the type of institutionalized hatred we have come to expect from liberal progressive's like sara-connor. This is exactly the tactics our local progressives use for Bradbury. First, label him a member of the Tea Party. Next, brand him a racist. Say it loud and say it proud. Even if Bradbury posts the absolute truth, decry it as the rantings of a Tea Party racist loon and people will turn off. Only one problem, sara-connor family, we see through you. The targeting of the Tea Party by the US Government liberal progressives has woke up the American people; woke them up to see exactly to what levels these progressives will go to to see their utopian vision come to fruition. The Tea Party is growing once again. Focused. Re-energized. I, sara-connor, eagerly await the next election cycle. I don't see it going the way you think it's going to go. And just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

-- Posted by GetRealNow on Sun, Jun 9, 2013, at 2:47 PM

Mr. Bradbury again graces the world with his conspiracies and Tea Party ideologies in a letter to the editor. He chooses to identify himself as a grumpy old white guy and wants the world to know he is offended. My friends and family identify as a completely different personality. We are bright, happy and forward thinking people who prefer to see people in a positive light or in this case, in an amusing or humorous way. For example;

We find it humorous the Tea Party continues to think they are the only people who cannot be offended in life. But we also embrace your victimization conspiracy. It makes the Tea Party seem even more irrelevant to the rest of the country.

We find it amusing the Tea Party wants a conviction and prison time for politicians before the evidence is brought out and a trail has happened. It seems the US Constitution the Tea Party drags around like a party platform doesn't apply to everyone equally.

Some of us were utterly intrigued that the Tea Party faithful would even consider flying the Confederate Flag from their front porch. Good on ya Mr Bradbury.

Some Democrats I know will "defend their administration over the IRS" but we certainly enjoy listening to the Tea Party followers as they create another presidential scandal while lying about the overall depth and scope. This conspiracy theory will make the Tea Party seem even less rational come 2014. Big smiles.

Most of us got a great big belly laugh at the Tea Party as they continue to march towards the big revolution by insisting "It's government vs. YOU". This idea coming from citizens on government pensions and using government infrastructure. If these revolutionary patriots hated the guberment so dern much, you'd go off the grid and live just like your 1776 hero's did way back then.

Beyond a doubt, our favorite Tea Party conspiracy theory is a US Marine insisting he can change the Constitutional oath he took 5 time in his life to suit how he feels now. The Tea Party really is clueless when it comes to taking oaths.

-- Posted by sara-connor on Sun, Jun 9, 2013, at 11:49 AM

Moral majority, that conspiracy theory web site doesn't seem to mention that for the United States to participate in that it would require Congress to approve it.

-- Posted by History_Nerd on Fri, Jun 7, 2013, at 12:02 PM

Another plan to destroy our country.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Fri, Jun 7, 2013, at 10:19 AM

I hope someone besides me noticed the paint crews working on N 18E and E8N recently. Those guys were taking pride in their work like here like I haven't seen before. Those lines are straight and professional looking. I observed the crews measuring, using guide lines and taking some time to do a good job. They look really good. Quite a difference from the squiggly crooked lines of the past. Good Job guys and I sincerely hope your supervisor notices.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Fri, Jun 7, 2013, at 8:13 AM

Bazookaman is 100% correct in his editorial, and I pray people start to understand the ramifications of where our Country is headed under the current administration.

-- Posted by Moral majority on Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 7:39 AM

I am usually just a reader but because I have been gone for awhile I missed reading about the cost and service at the Mountain Home Car Care Center. My experience with that business is repairs are very costly, VERY. Things that any mechanic (esp. a experienced(?)ford man) would know in a heart beat cost mega bucks to diagnose. My bill was several(many) hundred dollars for minor work. Go somewhere else, there are great mechanics in this town who do good work at a reasonable price.... one just down the street. And they have been in business a long time.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Wed, Jun 5, 2013, at 8:24 PM

I read with interest "Grumpy old white guy" by Mike Bradbury. I agree, amen! that is how you feel, as a lot of us do, now the real question is WHAT DO WE DO? I would suggest we reread the Constitution, watch closely who we vote for (starting with local school board, Sheriff, etc.)voicing our thoughts on local, state and national issues. That is where we start. Red or Blue, we are all obligated to do this. We cannot control what and how other cities or states do things but we DO have that opportunity/responsibility here in MtnHo. Term limits national would be a great thing... serve your country and fellow citizens then go home and do what you did. Term limits would lend itself to less political IOU and maybe decisions would be made on what is best for the country not party or re-election issues. 35 years in Congress is way to long...to many IOUs. Great job Mike, now follow through... where do those of us who feel as you do go next? I am the kind of guy who says identify a problem AND bring me a solution.

-- Posted by bob8492 on Wed, Jun 5, 2013, at 7:48 PM

They have a water tank on the other side of I84 that sits on a hill (across from Hasket St.). Since it is sitting on higher ground a water tower is not required.

-- Posted by MHdog-gone on Wed, Jun 5, 2013, at 12:04 PM

Maybe because above ground pipes may freeze in the winter and, in the summer it's very hot so everyone would have solar hot water coming out from their taps. I dunno......maybe.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Wed, Jun 5, 2013, at 6:35 AM

Do any of you know why Mountain Home does not have water towers, instead of multiple wells/pumps. Usually I get a quicker response from this forum then if I contact the City so don't tell me to contact the city.


-- Posted by gmoney on Tue, Jun 4, 2013, at 4:48 PM

The grass at West Elem. was mowed on Fri 31 May, and it didn't need it. It is being mowed again 4 Jun, and doesn't need it for sure. This is for the Taxpayer's that care. Don't need any stupid comments from the peanut gallery.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Tue, Jun 4, 2013, at 1:43 PM

My hats off to the Lions club. These guys and gals did an OUTSTANDING job at the Patriot Thunder event. I think they actually were able to feed most of the 1000+ riders. Great job folks!!!

-- Posted by Moral majority on Tue, Jun 4, 2013, at 10:24 AM

As one of the rides in Patriot Thunder 2013, I was truly moved when we came off I84 turned right onto 8th St and people were lined up showing support. Even some of the golfers took a few moments to come off the course and applaud us. Then as we got closer to 10th St and the Library, the crowd got larger. The showing of people at Carl Miller Park was outstanding as well. Thanks to all those that came out.

-- Posted by farsela sotto on Mon, Jun 3, 2013, at 4:35 PM
Response by Brenda Fincher, Bus. Mgr., MHNews:
It was amazing. Our Daughter, son-in-law and 4 of the gbabies came down from Meridian to watch them come in along with my parents. It's turned into a 4 generation event for us. I got some awesome pictures. It was great. Thank you for riding and being a participant in a very worthy cause. B

Something YOU Obviously don't care about!

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Mon, Jun 3, 2013, at 10:07 AM

Does anyone know if this happened? If it did, we are certainly heading down the wrong path.


-- Posted by Moral majority on Mon, Jun 3, 2013, at 8:01 AM

Me and my family went into Grinde's diner today

And after I noticed the cook was not wearing gloves and I seen him touching food. never go there again.

-- Posted by GordonfromNV on Sun, Jun 2, 2013, at 11:25 PM

Patriot Thunder is today. To all of those who will ride, please be safe. To all on the road, please watch for motorcycles. Have a great ride gals and guys!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Jun 2, 2013, at 8:22 AM

Friday morning I was driving toward town on Canyon Creek road. Happened upon to men on bicycles, one riding on the fog line, one riding on the centerline. This was before the overpass making it unsafe to pass. Five vehicles following these two. I know they were within their rights but, couldn't they have had some common courtesy and move into single file so the five vehicles following could safely pass? Following two bikes at 10 mph untill it's safe to pass just because they can? And then the smug looks as one by one we were able to safely pass. No wonder some people get road rage. I don't care that they ride like that but, approaching a hill and holding up traffic instead of moving to single file? A little self centered at the least, a little foolish at the most.

-- Posted by goatbeard on Sun, Jun 2, 2013, at 7:28 AM

Go figure, wanting to keep the neighborhood looking good: whooda thunk?

-- Posted by MrMister on Sat, Jun 1, 2013, at 7:58 PM

I think it is time to give it up joe_smoe. Seems as though your argument lacks in several different areas. Ssmythe2013--thank you for the heads up regarding Mountain Home Car Care Center. It is always nice to know what local businesses to stay away from! Winner-SSMYTHE2013!

-- Posted by bloodyknuckles on Fri, May 24, 2013, at 9:17 AM

Just to update the county taxpayer's. The grass was just mowed again at West Elem.

-- Posted by Mr.427539 on Thu, May 23, 2013, at 1:00 PM


Seems to me that Ssmythe did a very good job at researching the subject, it also seems that Ssmythe explained the situation clearly, stating only what has occurred in his/her particular experience. It's refreshing to see a banter where the writer uses their intelligence, uses complete sentences, and is not filled with abbreviated or made up internet words.

As for the three different levels of pricing, the wonderful thing about having more than one place to shop is being able to price compare, businesses may need to mark up its products in order to stay in business but those mark-ups should be comparable at all businesses within the same area or eventually the business with the highest mark-up will find it hard to keep customers.

Perhaps you lack in business smarts yourself.

-- Posted by McCallumS on Thu, May 23, 2013, at 12:24 AM

We encountered the same issue with this car center with the parts. We found that we could acquire the parts considerably cheaper ourselves. We were told we could do that, but not only would we have to pay more, but there would be no guarantee on the repair job. We just paid their price and had to take our car back several times to get the repairs done correctly.

-- Posted by Gma2six on Thu, May 23, 2013, at 12:19 AM

I contacted Mountain Home Car Care Center LLC's about a repair a short time ago and was quoted a price for labor and parts. The part price seemed high and I checked the local store and found it at all of them to be 45 to 50 percent lower. I called Mountain Home Car Care Center LLC's back and told them I would supply the part and his response was then the labor rate would go up. Maybe I'm crazy but 80 bucks an hour is already high and he wanted to charge me more. I'm glad I went to another mechanic there is no telling what other repairs they would cause.

-- Posted by gmoney on Wed, May 22, 2013, at 4:02 PM


The burden of proof lies within your court. If you had done as much investigating you would realize that a parts store has 3 different levels of charge for parts. Off the street buyer, shop price and list price. Try this, buy a steak at a store of your choosing. Now price that same cut of meat, uncooked of course at a restaraunt of your choosing. Do you actually believe a buisness can survive with out the mark up of parts? You may and are definately good with words but lack in a buisness aspect. Have a nice day.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, May 22, 2013, at 2:06 PM

Dear Jo_smoe,

Thank you so much for the response, you are right I am good and always striving to get better at English composition (I am assuming that is what you meant by your statement combining words into a sentence). I really appreciate any support a venerated plebian such as yourself can offer. However, your grammar and composition are lackluster and hardly deserve a rejoinder at this point. Indeed it is true, you can make Excel spread sheets say just about anything you want. The first rule of statistics is that stats don't prove anything they only foreshadow expected outcomes given a certain set of conditions. In that sense I don't have to prove anything to you with Excel because stats don't actually prove anything. I am sure if you put your acute mind to work you could come with a set of stats that prove me wrong (oh no!) but could you really discuss them with any amount of clarity and comprehension? I wonder? I already related the methods I used to find what I believe the fair price for changing a timing belt should be for my car's make and model. I used 15 different internet sites, including your own recommendation, while you made three calls to mechanics here in Mountain Home. How does your method provide any more proof than mine? I am not going to supply you with any of my data because you, Joe_smoe, did not have the decorum required for formal argumentation to answer the one question which remains the focal point of my argument. I will repeat my question to you in verbatim in case you missed it last time. So in your infinite wisdom on automotive repairs, Joe_smoe, why would I be charged $147.26 for a timing-belt kit that should never cost more than $95? As previously mentioned, I have already found a mechanic in Mountain Home that will fix my car for $225.00 (without a markup of 91% on parts) compared to Mountain Home Car Care Center LLC's price of $423.33. Putting the statistics aside, it is clear to me now that you do not possess the mental facilities required to engage in an academic conversation about the intricacies of statistical analysis. I already related that I would supply you with quotes from O'rielly's Auto Parts, a copy of the quote for the same parts from Mountain Home Car Care Center, LLC, and a copy of the quote I received from an alternative mechanic. It appears you did not heed my advice. Since the Mountain Home News.com banter-box does not allow for the uploading up such documents I will publish them in an article for the Mountain Home Newspaper next week. Again, let us forget prices on everything else barring the price of a timing belt kit. When I make the publication next week you will see in print proof of what I was going to be charged for the timing belt kit, what the timing belt kit actually costs, and what I ended up paying for the timing belt kit. I hope this will succor you doubts that I have no proof of my accusations Jo_smoe. Please don't be offended if I no longer respond to your ill-conceived and poorly written responses as I am growing weary of it. I can't condone bantering back and forth (pun intended) with someone who obviously is not reading my responses in their entirety. Just read the paper next week all of the details will be in there.

-- Posted by Ssmythe2013 on Wed, May 22, 2013, at 1:53 PM


You have provided not ONE proof of any of your assesments. Of the 3 repair facilities I called, Mountain Home Car Care was in the middle in pricing. I do see you have proved you are very good at combining words into a sentence. I my self can make an excel spread sheet say any thing I would like it to. Provide to me the proof of your research please.

-- Posted by joe_smoe on Wed, May 22, 2013, at 12:26 PM

Dear Joe_smoe,

I did an adequate amount of research both online and by calling mechanics in my area before making my initial comments (not to mention my visit to a local auto part store). My first suggestion for you Joe_smoe is that you reread my initial comments and take some notes this time around because you obviously did not comprehend it to a degree that would allow you to compose a relevant response. I researched n = 15 different websites including the link you suggested (by the way Joe_smoe your link produced the highest quote I found on the web, which immediately made me question your motives and wonder if you have some affinity or consanguinity to Mountain Home Car Care Center, LLC?). The link you suggested also claimed that I should not pay more than $95 dollars for a timing belt kit. So in your infinite wisdom on automotive repairs, Joe_smoe, why would I be charged $147.26 for a timing-belt kit that should never cost more than $95? Either way, it's of no consequence in light of recent developments. However, since you found it necessary to make a slight about my education, experience, and method of investigation I will give you, Joe_smoe, a quick lesson in the research method I employed before making my initial comments. If you understand normal number distributions and statistical dispersions the number of websites I checked (n = 15) is an adequate number of data points for a fairly accurate statistical analysis. I entered the estimates into Microsoft's Excel program, which produced a mean price of $265.00. If you are unaware of statistical lexicons and terminology, Joe_smoe, mean, is a term for average. In this case the mean relates to the average price I should pay for a timing belt replacement including parts and labor. The Excel program also produced a range of $220.00 to $360.00 (if you are uniformed about descriptive statistics, Joe_smoe, range, is a term for the lowest amount to the highest amount in a normal number distribution) Being college educated I did my research and did it well. I found a mechanic in my area that will replace the timing belt in my car for $225.00. This estimate is actually below and outside the interquartile range according to my box-plot analysis. (if you are unfamiliar with the bell-curve and normality in statistics, Joe_smoe, interquartile range is where 50% of the responses should fall on a normal number distribution). If you actually read and comprehended my comments the complaint was concretely with the 91% markup on the parts required to replace my timing belt. In my opinion your comment that I was likely receiving a good deal on a timing belt replacement is unfounded. Admittedly, I am by no means an expert in mechanics or auto part repair prices but I know enough not to have the wool pulled over my eyes. To make things even simpler for you I can you send you a copy the quote for the timing belt kit from O'rielly's Auto Parts, a copy of the quote for the same part from Mountain Home Car Care Center, LLC, and a copy of the quote I just received from an alternative mechanic. Again, I would suggest that you (Joe_smoe) reread my initial comments carefully before offering any further advice. I personally found your astute counsel not very helpful and largely misplaced. By providing a link I already investigated your argument is negated. I won't make any predeterminations about your level of education or experience but I would recommend that you take a little more time and consideration before attempting to join in an online discussion with me in the future. Thanks for trying though, better luck next time.

A good day to you Joe_smoe

P.S. I believe you meant to write "a small amount of time" instead of "a small time" in the first line of your comment. Without some type of quantification for the adjec