Let's not become the enemyPosted Thursday, September 16, 2010, at 9:36 AM
In the end, cooler heads prevailed.
The Koran-burning issue had gotten to be ridiculous -- overhyped to the point of absurdity by the national media. The famous 24/7 news cycle these days virtually guarantees that anything and everything will be used to fill the minutes and give talking heads a chance to scream at each other. We're against any form of book burning. It is ultimately dangerous to the spirit of freedom of thought. And in this case, it was stupid as well. No question it was going to inflame anti-American opinion in the Mideast -- at a time when we're desperately trying to convince the people there we're the good guys. It was the best recruiting tool the terrorists have had in ages and clearly could threaten American lives. Good job, Pastor Jones. But bigotry and hate usually don't look at the consequences of their actions. In this case, you've got a guy with a gun laying on top of the Bible on his desk and admitting he's never read the Koran (he'd have been burning a number of the stories also contained in the Bible), and doing it all in the name of the Man of Peace. Hate in the name of Jesus. How hypocritical can you get. When you start adopting the same tactics and rhetoric as the enemy, you've become the enemy. We need to show that we're different from them, not the same. In the end, however, the world-wide impact of this controversy can be laid at the feet of our own national media and the shark-feeding frenzy of the 24/7 news cycle. It isn't necessary to cover every nut. It just encourages them. In the end, cooler heads prevailed -- but most of the damage already had been done. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Just wanting to burn the Koran is about the same as burning it. Somewhere it says if you sin in your mind you have already committed the sin. I think we should all step back a little and let things cool off. Burning the Koran won't solve any problems, it will only make things worse.
Dump on the backwoods American minister who didn't even burn anything(his gun is due to DEATH THREATS by those lovers of "tolerance on the left& in mosques)but obsreve utter silence about the islams in islamland who burn US flags & threaten the lives of US servicemen who are there to help izlams create a DECENT society.You say NOTHING about THEM(who your title infers ARE the ENEMY). Checkout the FBI monitioring US mosques for RADIOACTIVITY, the FBI sueing to CLOSE USA mosques for TERROR connections. The Swiss who outlawed izlam minerat building ,minarets a Turkish official described as "the barracks" of Islam's advance. Fort Hood,honor killings, sharia law, 9/11, attempted airline bombings, documented HATE being taught in Saudi funded USA islam schools---& all you have to say is opposition to our massive izlam immigration is the result of "ignorance & bigotry". You are the ignorant & bigoted ones--the left who can't see the forest for the trees. Add to that armed foriegners running wild 3 counties deep in Arizona & you get the frustration that is leading Americans to independant action---from koran burning THREATS(only threats) to the tea Party. The most ignorant of Americans are those on the LEFT who's charges of ignorance & racism only show theirs' ----- and are satisfied with killing that BASIC American right of public discussion. They are the engines of the "Closing of the American Mind"(see book by that title). Dark Age deepens.
And just WHERE would all you media folks be standing, if some radical was going to burn a BIBLE??
Would there be anywhere near as much fuss about THAT?
At what point do we STOP catering to every faction trying to "set up shop" here in what used to be America?
OUR feelings don't mean "Jack-Bo-Diddley".........let's just make sure we don't OFFEND the foreigners, eh?
Why is it that AMERICANS always seem to be the BAD GUYS in the minds of liberals, no matter HOW MUCH aid we've given everyone else over theae past several decades?
Everything is OUR fault-----------except those that are BUSH's..........
That' ok...........that's ok...........
FORTY-EIGHT days!........and maybe we start being AMERICANS once again, instead of "politically correct" diplomats and sellouts.
PS.............and it IS heart-warming to see these "RINO Republicans" being toppled in primary after primary by the tea party Candidates-------------who have NOT forgotten our Constitutuion!
Under THIS administration, I guess Eric Holder will be looking to sue that minister next!
That seems to be their answer for everything!
as a minority in this country,who has fought for it,pays taxes for it etc where would you people like for me to go????????? you should back up and take a hard look at your comments because they are bigoted to the core... the fact that they are mostly directed at muslims, mean nothing... the prevailing attitude says when is it my turn.....politically correct ,sellouts etc......public discussion ........how do you discusse when you have already made your stand.....with the statments denigrating anyone who might be on the left........WE burn flags and threaten our own soldiers......how fast we forget......i for one will never forget....i will not forget hipocrites who patted me on the back and used the N WORD when i wasnt around.....dont tell me how great you are righty........thats a lie and if you were honest you would own up to it.....fort hood ........the lack of command integrity period.....the guy should have been courts martialed long before he acted......a commander to scared to do what he was sopposed to do as a commander.......because the guy was and officer......and enlisted would have been discharged period.......we are to busy chasing gays...... what a joke.......i for one am getting sick of the remarks directed at this administration as if the right has all the answer.....the att gen....does his job as directed by our constitution....ck it out.... his job doesnt say as the right thinks is right.....or for that matter anyone else.......2 wars and you still dont want to take responsibilty for them you think they are a good thing........the only thing they help is some people making money at our childrens exspense... as long as it poor peoples kids who are dieing who cares ........you guys need to.....consider everything....and try and see things in different lights......i really try to do that.....and i do see your comments as bigoted,and it doesnt make me feel good......im not going back to "the good old days" i will die first.....my parents and family suffered enough it will not happen again....i think the RIGHT needs to remember that and im not alone in that thought......your comments make me feel as though that is and underlying aim in your game plan.......i live the theme of national dishonesty everyday ...... and yes i will defend my freedom at any cost....dont tread on me.....ask any minority who has worn the uniform
Lamont buddy, thanks for serving. Really. But how is noting the potential dangers & questions raised by the FBI closing mosques,etc(see my above post) "bigotry"? How so? I only noted facts. Troubling ones. Hindus, Buddhists ,Kawnazas, etc present NO such facts. NOoo problem with them,at all. I'm just trying to look out for America same as you did. That's all.
That pastor, or any other American, like it or not, has the right to burn a koran if they desire. Good idea? No, but free speech isn't always about what you like or think acceptable. What angers me more than this pastor is the fact that our press is carrying this story to the hilt, thereby running a smokescreen for the Obama administration and his failed policies. This is what we should all be focused on.....not some idiot burning a koran.
you missed the point........your comments about the left as if you and the right have all the answers..........the FBI and the ATTY GEN are doing there job .......wethere monitoring or closing ,or acting based on intellegence......... what goes on in a muslim country under a theocratic regime could be wrong according to us and have all the human rights violations in the world, but that is there...... country.......until the people within in it rise up for change they can do as they please......... your comment a decent society.........did they ask for us ?.....who are we to judge.......why do we think america has it right and every one else has it wrong ?.....maybe you ought to consider those things.........for me if it works for them so be it.......that has been there way for thousands of years......the comment ......the most ignorant people on the left......i would suggest that you need to look at your preacher before you make that comment.......you cant be a man of christianity and not respect others......thats a contradiction of your faith....and he is the same kind of zealot as the islamic extremist.........you are condeming and entire peoples based on the actions of a few......and remember that all the 9/11 particpants got here legally...... 3 countys in AZ there is nothing going on that has not been for decades......only at a lower intensity.......now with that said.....ask your self why did this start to happen.......the demand for drugs by american citezens.......thats how.... so how do we stop it .......how about changing the demand,how about securing the borders with the help of a big mouth govenor who has done nothing except talk... she had a national guard... deploy it......do your job the right way......why did we, right here have a person who kills a whole family here 20 yrs illegaly and had been aressted for felony dui before.. how does that happen???????? the left. i dont think so this is idaho.......you did not like being called a bigot when the aryan nations was located here and active( they still are) i bet you said im not one of them.....but you were grouped with them.......tell me whats the difference with your comments on muslims,and lefties etc.......thats my point.......and dont thank me for my service its to late i could have used that 40 yrs ago when it counted and even then the right didnt mean it.......just a means to and end.......i am not blind and this so called movement is a precursor back to a segregated society.........and you will say no .......why ?.....you only see it your way.....i will continue to to lean left of center or right of center as the issues come up......i will never lean so far to one side or the other that my understanding becomes blind .....you do as you please this is america........but you will not go unchallenged with comments that are totally one sided......what is it you fear from other people......i dont fear them.......knowledge always prevails.......
Hey Bro..........cool back a bit.......nobody looks at you as "next".
You're an American. You're considered one of the GOOD guys. And this is 2010 America (God help us).
But RACIALLY, this IS 2010.............it ain't 1968, or 58, 0r 48.
Yes, there IS unfortunately, still a little bigotry out there on ALL sides, but by and large, most people in TWENTY TEN don't CARE what color you might be. People are a lot more concerned about losing this country, than they are about "color barriers" The MAIN issue right now, is keeping this country free and the ever-climbing debt.
And people are NOT on Holder's butt because he's black. They're on his butt because he stands alongside the illegals and the terrorists.
People are NOT on Obama's administration because he's black. They're on their butts because they DON'T listen to the people, and the only thing that has "grown and prospered" is the size of this government---------which was ALREADY too large to begin with.
You also have to look at "fair & balanced"---------the Democrats bashed Bush for eight years, even though the last two were under THEIR own congressional control...........and that's fine with a lot of us on the right........Bush WAS an idiot and deserved the pounding. No argument there at all.
But now that things are REALLY going into the toilet, it is OBAMA & crew taking the heat, and the Democrats can't STAND anybody getting onto THEIR folks. because Obama happens to be black, they have turned it into a "racial issue"
The Tea Parties-------all racial, of course.
Corruption has NOTHING to do with it.
Shoving the Constitution aside has NOTHING to do with it.
Suing Arizona in favor of the illegals has NOTHING to do with it.
Bribes and payoffs have NOTHING to do with it.
"Handcuffing" the CIA while coddling the terrorists have NOTHING to do with it.
The economy has NOTHING to do with it.
MANDATES have NOTHING to do with it.
More taxes & fees have NOTHING to do with it.
More government spending and waste have NOTHING to do with it.
This governemt is being called out on this crap, just the same as Bush caught the heat for all of HIS dumb decisions. But the Dems, who, through THEIR "mainstream media" became masters at "dishing it out"-----------suddenly can't TAKE it very well when it's THEIR turn on the hot seat and THEY are being called on the carpet for the answers THEY don't have.
So............."HEY.....Obama's black, so is Holder.......let's pull the race card........that's always been good for a little mileage.........."
It's got nothing to do with anything.............not in 2010, anyway.
Lamont, ya gotta get up to date a little, buddy. Things you've told us about the conditions you have faced over the years are certainly valid............but it is not a factor at ALL in this mess we have going on today.
This is a matter of stupidity, not color. Pelosi said we needed to pass a 2400-page heathcare bill that NOBODY read, so we could "find out what's in it." This is stupidity from a white woman. Joe Biden said it was "patriotic" to pay more taxes-------------a white guy.........
Holder's a black guy who would rather sue the good guys than DO SOMETHING about the bad ones.
STUPIDITY is not limited to color or gender.
And Lamont, no matter WHO is in power, when they make dumb decisions, listen to the wrong people, or get power-greedy............it comes out of ALL of our pockets. Yours and mine both.
And the "color" of THAT one is GREEN.
Forty five days from now, a bunch of these turncoats and sellouts are going to pay with their jobs. The voters are fixin' to speak!
Bazook you can't convince me color is no longer an issue here in the states. If I remember correctly a month after Obama was voted into office he was already being critiqued by who knows who and by you and kim on her blog. He never had time to even get the feel of the White House before people were bashing him all over the internet and the news including you and Kim who were also blasting away on him.....
I think you can only see things your way and no other way.....
You remember correctly, MsMarylin. But you also forgot........I was on Obama's case even BEFORE the election, because unlike all of the trained seals out there who've learned nothing more than to vote "straight-ticket", I always take the time to check the VOTING records of the candidates before I just walk into a voting booth.
Obama's 129 "present" votes was a clear indication that he is not capable of making decisions without a lot of help. And I said so.
Show me where that has something to do with color.
When Kim & I (and many others), were "blasting" away at him, did you ever see any RACE REFERENCES?.......or were there instead Constitutional references on what he and his cronies back there were/are doing?
Hey lady........if ANYBODY has made an "ethnic" thing of this, it's most of you folks out there that voted him in. Even in your own primaries, it all came down to Obama or Hillary, didn't it?
This was going to be a "politically-correct" statement, wasn't it? Black man or woman----either one would be a "first"
And there's nothing wrong with that.........Alan Keyes was one of OUR candidates and Sarah Palin was another (might be again, which is why the liberal media is in a panic in their continued assault on her).
But those of us who supported Alan Keyes did so because he is a heavy Constitutionalist and a born again Christian. NOT because he's black. Years later, we supported Sarah Palin because of HER accomplishments and EXECUTIVE experience that neither McCain, Obama or Biden have. NOT because she's a woman.
Everybody on your side was so caught-up in trying to make a "fashion statement" of one kind or the other, you guys never looked at track records and experience of your candidates.
"Boy oh boy...........we're gonna have the FIRST woman or the FIRST black president...."
Ok...........fine, we've ran a few ourselves. But are they qualified? WHAT have either of them done, besides look pretty and make speeches? What bills have they introduced? How have they voted on their own STATE issues? (if at all).
These are things OUR side have called them on. How is THAT a race issue?
Since being in, we've had the "stimulous" that blows a million at a time to create 5 or 6 jobs. Ignoring the taxpayers right along with the borders. Rising taxes and unemployment, backdoor deals and healthcare mandates---------you know the list by now, Marylin, and it grows daily.
The people have had enough, formed tea parties and other movements and they MARCH in huge rallies. How is THAT a race issue? You don't see the "N" word on the signs--------you see the ANTI-GOVERNMENT slogans on the signs.
Nobody cares if Obama is black. They care about the steady invasion, erosion and perversion that's going on in America.
Those who don't know me personally, would think the old Bazookaman here would support John McCain in a heartbeat-----------"Republican", Vietnam vet, white guy, etc.
WRONG. For the first time in my life, I was going to sit this one out. McCain is a liberal. It was only with the coming of Sarah Palin, that I supported that ticket, because she IS a conservative. fact is........if you KNEW me, you'd remember the bumper stickers on my car that said "PALIN" only-------the "McCain" portion clipped away before I stuck it onto the car. He's just a "RINO" piece of crap, like the rest of them.
What's going on with this corrupt governemt is NOT a matter of race, Marylin........no matter how badly you devoted followers might want it to be.
All the libs know how to do is blame Bush and play the race card. They can't think far enough beyond that to realize that the country is on its way down the tubes and the REAL issues are what the conservatives are looking to fix.
Just because Obama's the first black president, you all think that everyone's just out to "rain on his parade."
Do you see any signs or hear anybody screaming to "Vote the Blacks out?"............or........."Vote the Women out?"
Do you?
If you've paid any attention to the blogs AND the news..............any attention at all.............
The war-cry for Novemeber is........"Throw 'em ALL out!
as in...........ALL!
This is NOT about RACE! You guys pull that card out of your hats everytime things get crappier and you have nothing else tangible.
Country's worse off than it's ever been, this Congress continues to spend billions and trillions it doesn't have..........we stand UP to it, and immediately we're "Nazi's and bigots"
No...........oh no...........it's all because Obama is black.............we don't like it because he's black............yeah, that's it!
We're just MAKING UP all the rest of this crap, with the economy, the borders, the terrorists, the taxes, FORCED healthcare penalties.
just a facade............just a facade.........
It's "REALLY" because Obama is black.
Ya saw right through us, didn't ya?
...............you're right, Mike Savage, eternally right..............
"Yes it IS!"
;owest taxe rate since 1950.....were is the credit?.........enforcing constituion......who does what on the border........enforce law as written miranda........you see the problem is partially that you want the constitution enforced selectively.......you know it and i know it palin is a carpetbagger......the economy was in the toilet before obama......how come you dont talk about that......all he did was stabilize it so that we could get back to making it right......what do you think would have happened if it was left to fix itself......again .....wall st....enron.....arthur anderson......conservative bastions of wealth that was selling the COUNTRY.......and dont tell me about it aint about your color when i hear WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK........WHOS THAT REFER TO???????? AND BACK TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS.........I KNOW CODE WORDS THE US GOVERNMENT TAUGHT ME WELL..........i graduated from a school dedicated to one thing......fighting discrimination.......i spent a long time in the classroom teaching the subject among other things........the war cry is not throw them all out ........again you hear what you want.......allan keys is a fool on a fools errand............he is non threatening....to put it nicely.......back door deals and i guess i should assume that the right has never made one......is that what your saying....... i want to hear that one.......and no there not using the n word for the most part.......they use other racial terms and cartoons,they attack the wife and children,beck,limbaugh,gingrich perpetuate the verbage that implies a race war what does it take for you to see what is going on.........and not one righty says stop not one.......you know why ?????????? THERE TO BUSY COMMITTING ADULTRY AND THEN TELLING US HOW THE ARE SO VIRTOUS THEY ARE.........come on lets talk about what is really going on......dont tell me about posters when people had to be told dont bring them WHY ?????? when you set out to marginalize your leader from day one what would you call that???and you want to alibi it and im sapposed to say its ok......it is not and i didnt see the same issues being raised with BUSH.....,AND PALIN EXECUTIVE ABILITY YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME........she quit yeah she quit and she like a number of people started the marginalizjng.....with the birth issue which shouldnt have been and issue at all......so dont tell me what i see.......is healthcare that bad or you dont see the people dying for no reason ......i guess thats ok with you .......the only industralized nation in the world with out HEALTHCARE FOR ALL......goes back to what i said use people(slave) untill you cant anymore and then discard them........you dont see any of it I SAID IT BEFORE ITS NOT HAPPENING TO YOU........ HITLER STARTED WITH THE PEOPLE WHO COULD LEAST DEFEND THEMSELFS AND WORK HIS WAY TO THE JEWS......and the words that come out of the rights mouths mirror those words ........have you heard newt and beck lately.....oh and palin,,,,,,hannity is in a world all his own and i should feel ok?......i dont think so...... WHEN YOU TELL ME THIS IS 2010 AND RACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT THATS THATS A CROCK.........how about the fact that minority uneployment is double our majority group counterpart......and my son with a masters will only make 1,500.00 more dollars a year than a white with the same undergraduate degree what do you call that in 2010.......so dont tell me what you care about you have shown me and continue to do so....in 2010......what do you say when there are people in this town who quit there jobs rather than work for a black,what say you is that part of your program also?????? you are blind because its not happening to you......you dont see whats happening in this politcal game because you dont want to......how can a person work in the toxic atmospeher that you created from day one but you would say thats fair........i would say set up to fail .........and wether you get it right or not it will still be wrong.........have you ever been there?????????????????try to get in touch with that
LOWEST TAX RATE?..............WHERE? Taxes are heading for the sky while home values are dropping.
Yes, the economy was in the toilet before Obama, but it's even worse now. How is it "stabilized" when we are trillions MORE in debt in just the past year or so?
You can't spend your way out of debt. If Congress had to use their OWN money, they'd KNOW that! This is a STUPID, STUPID government-------BEFORE Obama and WITH Obama. That's why they ALL need to GO!
I don't know what "leader" I'm supposed to be "marginalizing"----------we haven't HAD one in this country lately.
Palin quit because all the crap she was catchig was becoming a distraction from her job, and unlike SOME in THIS and PAST governments, she put the good of the PEOPLE ahead of HERSELF. She didn't want her state to suffer because she couldn't give things her full attention. That's actually a pretty refreshing attribute. Putting the PEOPLE first-------what a novel idea, eh?
Executive abilities------------Governors run entire states, the budgets, border defense (a BIG issue in Alaska, with the RUSSIANS only 90 miles away).
Governors run it all. SENATORS run NOTHING but their mouths, vote however they're PAID to vote, then scurry back into the Senate mob so they don't have to answer for their deeds. Governors are held to the fire. They have responsibility no Senator will ever have.
So when the media is trying to tell me that some junior senator with 143 days of "OJT" is better-qualified to be president, than a GOVERNOR is to be just the VICE-president, that really rankled me.
Palin lacked "experience" but Obama DIDN'T? EXCUSE ME???? What planet are these people living on?
She even SOLD the state-provided Learjet as an unnecessary expense---------while PELOSI had to have an entire SEVEN FIFTY SEVEN with a $102,000 annual BOOZE allotment. Yeah, things like THAT certainly help to "stabilize" this economy.
Trying to hammer-tax the people who HIRE--------yeah, THAT's a fine method of job creation too.
If someone can't afford insurance, how can he pay a fine of up to $3800.00 if he DOESN'T participate in Obamacare? Mandates are un-Constitutional as well---------which of course means NOTHING to a government that doesn't READ its Constitution.
Of course, when they don't read MASSIVE spending bills before they sign them, I guess we shouldn't expect them to read some paltry little piece of paper that our FOUNDERS drew up.
When you pull the CIA's "teeth" and grant all kinds of rights to terrorists, how is that a deterrent to more terrorist activity?
Holder's doing his job, eh? He's supposed to be in CHARGE of keeping the borders safe, but goes after Arizona and Arpiao instead.
And as for Brewer calling out the state guard, your White House is ALREADY hammering her for interference with THEIR duties..........."This is a FEDERAL matter Lady, and YOU STAY OUT OF IT!"
Ok..............so DO something about it, Holder!!
"I will..........papers are being drawn up right now!"----------------yeah, that's HIS answer for everything these days. That's the main problem with having all these lawyers running the government, all they know how to do is SUE & EMBEZZLE.
The birth issue IS an issue because it's a REQUIREMENT for the job. Yes, we all saw the "certificate" that was passed all over the internet.
Ask any Canadian how they like government-run healthcare, and if it's so good............why do they come HERE for treatment?
And WHY should we still have to pay for healthcare for the illegals? And the "anchor babies?" You got a money-tree out in your backyard somewhere?
And if this is so good, WHY are the POLITICIANS not on it?
WHERE has Hannity, Beck, etc made racial comments? Do you even WATCH their shows? Doesn't sound like it.
"Telling the people with the posters to stay home.".............From the very onset, the Tea Parties made it KNOWN that this movement would NOT be a platform for anything other than ridding Washington of the crooks, and getting BACK to our constitution.
"We want our country back" ............"What does THAT refer to, you ask" Just what it implies-----------OUT of the hands of these corrupt politicans who would take us down the socialist path if they could. Taking it back, means putting people in there who realize WHO works for WHO.........people who LISTEN to the voters and STOP selling this country out.
What do I say to people who don't want to work for blacks?-------------Let 'em starve.
"Committing adultry and being virtuous".............is that like the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES getting special favors from Monica, RIGHT THERE IN THE OVAL OFFICE?...........and John Edwards getting his mistress pregnant even while his OWN WIFE is dying of cancer? Yeah, THAT shows a certain sense of style.
(YOUR side ain't too "squeaky clean" here, either, Lamont).
And you're right about me not understanding the plight of the black man, past and present, because it doesn't affect me. It doesn't. Because I myself am not a bigot, so I guess I WOULDN'T really totally understand it.
Prejudice isn't right. I do not support it. What have I done to fight it?
Same as I'm gonna do 44 days from now. Vote for those who DO believe in our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights.
I'm sick and tired of my tax dollars going into the hands of political thieves who disregard their duties and just make up their own rules as they go along.
This government is CORRUPT Lamont..........yes, it was corrupt BEFORE Obama, and with Reid, Pelosi and Holder, it is even MORE corrupt now.
And corruption knows no color or gender.
Hey folks...........on a lighter note, have any of you seen the latest Ray Stevens video on Youtube?...........it's called "Come to the USA" and is definitely worth the few minutes it takes to watch it. Congress ought to be watching it too, along with Ray's other one called "We the People."
i do watch those shows i watch them all .....and yes they have made racial comments especially BECK......i never said the left was clean i said the right should not be telling people how to live a virtous life when they dont.......the birth isssue should not have been and issue......because you are vetted as a congressman and a senator.....and as soon as you win a political nominatian for a job in the federal government.....so that was garbage and still is........remember your background ck just to work on airplanes ( secret or better ) AGAIN YOU MISSED THE POINT........your talking about were taxes are going,,,,,,, were are they now........i will not do this again i did it once with you not again think as you want.......the health care thing is simple they have the same plan you and i have because they qualify the same......i dont like that they only have to serve one term to get it.......holler about that?????PULL THE CIA TEETH ........LETS SEE THERE SOPPOSED TO OPERATE OVERSEAS......RIGHT??????? AND THEY ARE STILL GOVERNED BY OUR LAWS .....RIGHT??????? what is it you want them to do they are not already doing?????whats changed ???????? and since when?????AZ YOUR SHERIFF HAS CHARGES Levied AGAINST HIM THAT SAYS HE HAS USED HIS JOB TO SINGLE OUT MINORITYS . now he is being investigated so what?????? if he is not... whats the beef.......you seem to think that you flount the law its ok as long as you are not affected ....thats a problem........john edwards is not and elected offical.....and the only ones im talking about are those in office.......NOW.....is polosi plane a military jet?????????? if it is you cannot serve alcohol on it.......i forgot to tell you that before the law was changed years ago.........the speaker like every speaker has perks that no one else has goes with the job so its not new.......thats why passed speaker(newt) hasnt critized.....they dont want the perk to go away......oh and you need to look at mc cains background........nobody wants to because he was a pow that man is so dishonarable its a joke.....so lets see how much you nknow about how the military works ck him out.......stop the party line on palin ......she is a carpetbagger ........i will admit the con is pretty good for the people who want her brand of democracy........ex.... he divorced my sister i want him fired.......and because the chief wouldnt she went after him .......he went public and she quit....she quit......and goes on a speaking tour give me a break......thats what you want?????????? you deserve better.....healtcare a lot of americans lie everyday to get into a canadian healthcare centers. did you know that????????? we are talking about basic care not specialized care......there is a difference......we are the best specialist......thats is not the problem the problem is every day care........the cold the cut...the stomach ache....the things that are the warning signs of bigger things that could be prevented that wind up costing because they were not treated peviously.......and thats what cost you and me the community etc.....illegals should get care and deported.....i have always said that so whats your point ??????TAXES......question.....how are we sopposed to pay for the 2 wars BUSH set us in???????? you know he borrowed the money to go to war and never payed for any of it.......so .....whats your suggestion there.......plus we have to rearm,repair,rebuild etc.....how do we pay for that??????? would it have been better if obama had put a freeze on everything ???????? would that have satisfied you ????? for me i think thats what he should have done.....i feel the pinch.....my escrow went up....house value went down.....taxes on house went up am i going to fight it ????? you bet will i win maybe not but i will do something about it......and thats not this presidents fault......so why do people put it on his shoulders ???????hes just trying to fix it and the right doesnt want to give him that chance.....why??????? they would rather you and i ( the slaves ) starve first as long as they are making money,,,,,,,the trickle down theory doesnt work and even the very conservative economist say so.......there has got to be a way and it will take a combination of both schools of thought to fix this......scapgoating minoritys is not the way.......and if it keeps happening people are going to die......on both sides of the issue...oh i forgot .....the iraqes were sopposed to pay us from there oil revenues......remember......the last adminstration said that.....or was it the one before......so wheres the money.........funny we dont hear about that i wonder why??????? you got any insight you want to share..........
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Just what is he trying to say.
Congress has the same plan as US? Do you really think any of THEM are going to wait in-line with the "commoners" for MONTHS just to get seen?
Taxes NOW.........keep in mind that the Bush tax cuts are still in-place, but all that is fixing to change..............how do you suppose they're going to pay for all that "stimulous" that hasn't created anything to support anywhere near what they spent?....and all these OTHER "midnight bills' they've come up with so far?
"Bush's War" has tallied up the cost because HE, like fellow Texan LBJ, lacked the spine to do what was needed.
But Obama is no better. HE is now the "Commander-in-Chief". That little red phone belongs to HIM now, and there is a tremendous array of arsenal at the other end of his phone line. He too, chooses to do nothing while our guys are getting killed.
As for WAR COST...........DO keep in mind who's Congress has continued to FEED this thing with money over these past four years. They can blame the guy at the top all they want------but when THEY continue to FUND it for him..........
What do I want to CIA to do? Beat these raghead terrorists to a PULP if that's what it takes to get information--------without HOLDER & company saying "Oh no-------you can't do THAT----that's inhumane and these prisoners have rights!"
So did 3,000 innocent people in the Twin Towers.
Pelosi's jet, military or not, has a $102,000 liquor allotment, and she USES it to fly friends and family on it, most notably that big Copenhagen trip for 24 Congressmen, and who knows WHAT else. Air Force One is a military plane too, but the president can go wherever HE wants----and that's ok, because he NEEDS to make high level meetings and conferences all over the world sometimes.
Pelosi needs to be either in her home office or in D.C. Her job doesn't CALL to fly around the globe whenever she gets the whim.
Ok. John Edwards is out of office. So is "slick Willie"----------I guess they're both saints now, eh? All is forgiven and forgotten--------just like it was with Nixon (who at LEAST had the decency to resign).
Americans are LYING just to get INTO Canadian health centers? CANADIAN?
I know there are some who go into Mexico for medicine because it's cheaper, but I hadn't heard about CANADA as a preferred doctor site.
"Illegals should get healthcare and deported."...........I'm HALF-way with you on that one.
Arpiao is following Arizona law. IF......if a car is pulled over on a traffic violation (which could even be a burned-out tail-light, and I'VE been stopped for THAT).........and the officer has reason to believe...........you know that one.....nobody speaks English, no driver's license of proof of insurance, he has the right to check Green cards....
And by IMMIGRATION Law, Lamont, they are REQUIRED to CARRY green cards at all times until they are naturalized. The Dems (who NEED all these potential votes) conveniently call it "profiling."
I've been a member of the Credit Union since the 70's. Even with the occasional changing of tellers from time to time, I still know most of them on a first name basis. They all KNOW me, but I STILL have to show my I.D. each and every time I go in there for something
What's the big deal with having to prove who you are............I mean...........if you've got nothing to hide...........
Why do WE need to "repair and rebuild?" You see any of these terrorist factions offering to re-build the Trade Centers?----------(building the Mosque doesn't count).
I can't speak for everyone else, but I do not personally blame Obama for the decline in home values. I really don't blame him DIRECTLY for very much at all. As I said in my last post, he is vastly INEXPERIENCED. I think he is years away from being CAPABLE of coming up with a lot of this crap on his own.
But he's surrounded by a lot of SNAKES who DEFINITELY know the route after DECADES of insider experience. And the "new guy" practically has no other option, than to lend an ear to Biden, Dodd, Barney Frank and others.
And we're gonna deal with that well before Thanksgiving.
Yes, I seem to remember something myself, about us getting some oil, in exchange for getting rid of Saddam for them.
But you know the routine, Lamont. We GIVE and everybody else takes. WE help everyone else's disasters--------and our own as well, because nobody ever helps US.
The "answer". Well, nobody has them all, but just for a start..........suppose Obama DID do like Reagan............put a SPENDING FREEZE on the most irresponsible people on this planet. You yourself suggested it.
Good suggestion too. FORCE this Congress to have to live on a budget like the rest of us.
Lamont, they are spending and giving it away FASTER than they can figure out ways to tax it OUT of us.
And still, there ARE a lot of people who continue to support this old "status quo". As much as i can't stand more regulations of ANY kind..........I would be FIRST in line to support THIS............
A national measure that would require not only legal photo I.D. before you could vote-------but an up-to-the date URINALYSIS as well. No matter WHO you are...........if you can't pass a "pee test", you don't get to help choose who we send to Washington.
And that ain't singling anybody out..........fair to all.
repair,rearm,rebuild our armed forces.....2 wars remember..........yes people in the states on the canadian border....its been going on for years......just thought id mention it.....the mmedical plan the congress has is basically the same as the military.....thats how they get to use our hospitals......which we cant after 65 remeber that.....smile......i dont have a problem with a freeze.......should have been done years ago.......what arsenal are you talking about? are we back to nukes again? and your solution is what / NUKE THE CIVILIAN POPULATION TO GET TO TERRORIST WHO ARE NOT EVEN 1% of the population.....we just like the other countrys of the world have just about come to and end to the exspence for this.......i said it before turn special forces loose and give them all the support they need and let them at them.......NUKES ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION......AFTER THE FIRST ONE EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WOULD ATTAIN THOSE WEAPONS AND THEN WHAT??????????? i dont think that is what is neede in this world DO YOU????????I SAID A NATIONAL id card bis needed and should be implmented.......to many right and left say NO......ON HEALTHCARE I MEAN EMERGENCY CARE not long term care........pleases read what i say.....green card violations your gone no problem.......im not arguing that.......i said people who stop people for no other reason than they are who they are.....thats profiling dont make it something its not....and assumption of guilt without fact.....based on gender, color. religion etc.....there was a story on fox news tonight about and american citezen being deported because they said his papers were false......took 3 months to straighten out and he lost his job.....while in mexico......not his country.....they admitted about 1 percent of deportees are american citezens.....what kind of garbage is that.......what if that guy was one of ours who had just come back???????? that is what i am talking about.........we have americans who are muslims and we have congressman who say they should not be allowed in the military......you see zook my people heard the same crape thats is why i question were these people in 2010 are comming from?????????our nation was built on religious freedom and the constutionalist cant use it one way when they want and another as they see fit......thats why i am fit to be tied we are not sopposed to be at each other like this........and the the people on the left and the right who fan these flames will stand back and count there money....and zook i listen to them all......you want to win the war you listen to your enemy....from hannity to olbermann..... i guess the term RAGHEAD is a term of ENDEARMENT....that is the kind of stuff im talking about..........so what are you calling ME......am i offended you bet.... am i defending terrorist heck NO..........i see that term as refering to MUSLIMS perod.......correct me if im wrong.........stop and ck it out catch your breath and think about it HARD.......oh stimulus........the money went to the states... how they used it was pretty much up to them .........and the stimulus started with BUSH in NOV 2008.....they bailed out wall st......but who cares.... the question is did it stop the country from becoming financialy insolvent.... I hate to say it.... but i think it did......problem i have is that it shouldnt have taken that much........i would not have let one cent go to a bonus not one cent......but its done..... see ya
Lamont, I DID read what you wrote...........it says "give them healthcare" and deport them----didn't specify "emergency", so I wasn't sure what you meant.
TACTICAL nukes.........out in their desert strongholds. They can "hole-up" but eventually they have to come out and breathe. Some of these other countries are already BUILDING nukes, which is why I look for Israel to take out Iran before that nutjob Ahmadinijad has a chance to destroy the Jews as he has been threatening to do for years now.
I just saw the Wall a month ago. We don't need to be building ANOTHER one over political crap.
I'm not overly concerned about hospitalization after 65...........I don't figure to see 65 anyway. Darned right a freeze should have been done years ago. These guys cannot be TRUSTED with our money, or anything else. They've PROVEN that time and again--------and still, voters on BOTH sides continue to re-elect the "names we're familiar with."
Not THIS time, though. We're already seeing it on the right. Tea Party candidates are toppling the "old established, business as usual Republicans."
If you Democrats would band together and start getting rid of your deadweight as well, the two parties together COULD make a difference. Arlyn Specter was a good place to start. Don't lose momentum now, guys..............clean sweep. This one's for ALL of us.
If we continually re-elect bums, we really can't complain when they screw us over year after year.
Actually, I don't consider "raghead' any more offensive than "infidel" or having OUR country referred to as the "Great Satan."
I've been called a "gringo, a cracker and a honkie". Doesn't bother me, and I've had an EX-wife call me a lot worse! That "N" word.........I don't use it, but I have curiously heard blacks use that term on EACH OTHER out in parking lots and bars. I've always wondered, what's up with THAT?
So "what am I calling YOU?"...........LAMONT. Period. That's your name, ain't it?
You don't understand the government, Bro..........BONUSES with our tax dollars, are how we REWARD the thieves for sticking it TO us. Besides..........it paves the way for kickbacks to these same senators, from Fannie & Freddie. Guys like Chris Dodd & Barney frank could tell ya all about that.
Of course, stopping people for no other reason than what they look like, IS profiling. And they aren't supposed to be doing that.
I lived in Apache junction, Arizona from 1996 to 2004 though, and can tell you from what I've SEEN down there............if you drive drunk or erratically, you're gonna get pulled over. If you blow through stops signs, speed, or commit other moving violations, you're gonna get pulled over.
If you, the driver, cannot speak English, produce a valid D.L., registration or insurance, or even a green card, and nobody else in that CAR can communicate either, guess what? Holder can cry "profile' all he wants, but I've lived down there.
This government's entire vision has NOTHING to do with "profiling." Their immigration gameplan is based SOLELY around 2012. Guarentee it.
Watch it happen..........and you can whack me all over this blog if I'm wrong..........If they lose the Congress in November..........mass amnesty will be pushed through into law before the new guys take over in January. They'll do whatever further damage they can do before they lose the voting power. Reid will say "It's the right thing to do", Pelosi will push through that "55%" retirement grab to fund it, and they'll send Gibbs out front to babble an explanation to a public that doesn't believe him now.
Lots to do today. Gotta get out of here. Later, buddy.
Hey Lamont.........as I was climbing into one of my old cars this morning, I got to thinking that in today's "sense of the word", I HAVE been "profiled" myself.
After getting out of the Corps at Camp Pendleton, I kicked around in the Bay Area for a couple of years before enlisting in the Air Force.
Like several other "young dudes" in the Fremont/Newark area, I'd built a hot rod. The cops would consistently pull us over for speeding, even if we were just keeping pace with 3 other "normal-looking cars' ahead of us.
They used to do random smog-control checks alongside the road too, and you could be following an ENTOURAGE of "family cars", but you could bet your bottom dollar that as YOU approached, one of the cops would step out onto the edge of the road and wave YOU in for inspection.
Your car might only have a nice set of mag wheels and dual glass-packed exhaust, but to the cops--------if it LOOKED like it might not be "in compliance", it probably wasn't.
I was cruising around San Jose one Saturday, and one of their "FINEST" followed me around for nearly a half hour straight. Sometimes we thought they did that just to try to spook us into getting nervous and doing something they could stop us for.
I finally pulled into a Taco Bell, got out and had lunch. The cop sat in the parking lot for a few minutes, then finally gave up and left.
Profiling? Harassment?.......probably. Could I PROVE that?.............no.
I couldn't really have pushed the "roadside smog-check" issue, either, because they DID stop other cars at random, but they ALWAYS seemed to flag ME...............and my "rod-brothers" as well.
We started looking WAY ahead up the boulevards, and if we spotted anything that even SMELLED like an "inspection station", we'd detour. If one of the guys spotted one early enough in the morning, he'd go home and call the rest of any of us he could reach, and we'd know what road to AVOID that day.
Smog-control crap hampered performance, and most of us WERE "illegal". If you got caught in a poliice smog check, you had a week to fix it or pay a fine. We'd go home, jerry-rig a little, and take the car to the nearest police station. It'd be running crappy, but would PASS. Then we'd drive home again and "straighten it out."
Yes.........we were "guilty", but so were a lot of OTHER "normal cars" that puffed whisps of blue smoke out the tailpipe--------waved right along by the cops, until they spotted one of US........."SURE bust!.........for SURE", in THEIR minds.
Oh yeah........."I KNOW I'm gonna get THIS guy!", as he reaches for his citation book and licks his chops.
In truth, with the money and upkeep into keeping those rods healthy, OUR engines were probably burning cleaner than "Grandma's car", that hadn't seen an oil change in two years, or a freeway in ten. But "Grandma" always seemed to get waved through.
Yes.....I'd have to say I've been "profiled" a few times in my life.
Seen it the other way too...........right here in Mountain Home's Court system. I've seen in the court records where several folks of certain ethnicity have been busted THREE and FOUR times for driving without a license-----or a suspended one. $75.00 fine. That's it...........
They'd probably slap ME with about 500 bucks and a night or two in jail! Most likely because I'm an American citizen and am supposed to know better!
And the "OTHER guy's" insurance isn't gonna go up, because he doesn't HAVE any!
I've seen it both ways.
And Eric Holder is wrong. He is loyal to the goals of his regime, but does not speak for about 70% of this country.
People don't want to see Federal signs posted along Interstate 8, telling them to stay OUT of their own Federal Park that their tax-dollars pay for----------because of CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
No...........people expect the government we ELECT and PAY, to look after the safety of its citizens.
I was thinking about that this afternoon.........can you imagine the FBI posting some signs on the Indiana state border back in 1933, telling everyone to stay out because John Dillinger, Bonnie & Clyde, BabyFace Nelson and Pretty Boy Floyd were running around loose?
The people would have said "What are we paying YOU guys for?"
Of course, that was 1933. J. Edgar and Melvin Purvis, not Holder and Napolitano.
Hey folks.........over the past two years, I have occasionally mentioned this administration being anti-gun..........all the lefties have jumped on that, saying I'm wrong about that.
Ok.............I told you so.
Check out any net source you want........just punch-in "Obama Administration blocking M-1's from South Korea." And this was FUELED by the U.N.
...........ah....and suddenly it becomes strangely silent out there..........
Some out there got onto me, and oh how PARANOID I was........."HE doesn't want to retrict or take guns from honest people"........"Didn't you hear him say he SUPPORTS the 2nd Amendment."
I heard him say a LOT of things during the campaign, but his prior voting record doesn't support it...........there were a FEW issues he did NOT just vote "present" on. During the campaign, he DID come off the campaign trail long enough to vote to keep the Clinton Assault Rifle ban from sunsetting...........oh yeah, he didn't miss THAT one.
If you DIDN'T happen to look up the several different sources..........here are their main two "reasonings"............
1. Safety concerns for the people, who might have accidents with the old 60-year old Garands.
Fact IS: the old M-1 is still one of the strongest & safest rifles in existence (mine is a 1953 vintage and I shoot it occasionally "just to stay current")
2. The administration fears they might "get into the wrong hands."
Fact IS: The old M-1 wouldn't appeal to terrorists because it weighs nearly 10 pounds, only has an 8-round clip, is NOT capable of being converted to full auto, you CAN'T CONCEAL one, and it's chambered for the big 30.06, a cartridge that is PRICEY, and not available everywhere in the world like AK-47 ammo is.
This is NOT a rifle that would appeal to the bad guys. If I know the U.N. and our Democrats, though, they'll probably try to pay the Koreans (with OUR tax dollars) to chop them up and melt them down, which would be a shame to destroy an item that helped win World War II, and is such a fine piece of rugged engineering.
The M-1 is a piece of history, and a fine shooting rifle, coveted among collectors.
If these gun-illiterate fools want to BAN something, they OUGHT to get rid of the M-16 and issue our troops something RELIBLE for once.
That's ok though, because in 41 days we're gonna start BANNING a bunch of THEM!
In the meantime though.........where are you folks out there who insisted all over this blog that this administartion had no intention of restricting guns to honest people?
Where ARE ya?..............what?.........nothing to say about THIS?
Pick any of the references out there from the website of your choice------------then get on here and explain to me how I'm just "paranoid" NOW!
Come on now.............y'all were QUICK to jump me BEFORE.............I want to hear how you guys defend THIS one!
Illegals and terrorists are welcomed across our borders. 60-year old World War II classic rifles are NOT---------and THEY would be coming here LEGALLY..........they were MADE here!
Maybe Holder will sue the Koreans next.
zook you hate this administration,the democrates ,and liberals so much that it doesnt matter what they do......even if it was right it would be wrong for you......thats a shame.......also you trying to equate being profiled for a hot rod to what i live my life with was so offensive that im still dealing with it........i dont think my conversation or a different incite makes a hill of beans to you .....you dont see anything a different way just the way you see it.....i worked for people like you at times in my carrer it was not a good thing for me ever...........i didnt fish,hunt ,or chew tabaco.so you know were that put me ........ill see ya
lamont
Thanks for giving it your all bazook cannot and will not except change. After reading everything he has said over a year and a half I came to the conclusion that his beliefs or idea's and opinion's will never change.
I gave up after his thoughts about Gays in the Military.
marlyn......i didnt want change just a need to know that there are 2 sides to the story.....and acknowldgment.....of understanding.....it is hard for me after all that i have done to effect positive thoughts in people to still see and feel the negative in anyone or anything just to be negative.....that is a killer.......i have to be positive.....i hope this makes sense....i am really bothered.......so thanks marlyn i needed that..........
The German people wanted change too....until they GOT it!
I do NOT accept "CHANGE" when it cuts into our rights.
I do NOT accept "CHANGE" when it STEALS from us and DEMANDS that we "buy or else."
And don't DUCK this one, you two........I had lefties all over this blogsite tell me I was being unfair with the "annointed one & his court" on the gun control issue.
"Obama hasn't made any moves to restrict your firearms freedoms.........you guys are listening to too much Hannity/Limbaugh," etc.
Please check this out for yourselves and ADDRESS this BANNING of our own American-made rifles.
You're 100% correct MsMarylin...........
I do NOT and will NEVER accept THIS kind of change.
The demeaning of our own country by our leaders.
SUING states for doing the job the Feds will NOT.
MANDATES.
The coddling of terrorists.
NO Marylin.........you may gather I do NOT "accept" this kind of change........
The appointing of known communists into high level positions.
Expanding an ALREADY CORRUPT government by nearly a THIRD.
Signing massive spending bills without reading them.
No MsMarylin..........you may gather I do NOT "accept" this kind of change
They send in union thugs to try to break up peaceful rallies--then they call US the "NAZI's"
They shutdown OUR oil wells, THEN loan BRAZIL millions of OUR dollars to drill in the same place!
No MsMarylin.......you may gather I do NOT "accept" this kind of change.
They continue to go after the ones who HIRE, but blame Bush for the loss of jobs.
They admonish US for "living beyond our means", but spend our tax money like drunken sailors on WHOEVER and WHATEVER---------then tax us for MORE!
.......and blame Bush........
No MsMarylin........you may gather I do NOT "accept" this kind of change.
I do NOT accept dismantling of our Constitution.
I do NOT accept we voters being ignored.
I do NOT accept the selling out of this country.
I do NOT accept threats and mandates.
I do NOT accept double standards.
I do NOT accept the invasion of our rights.
I do NOT accept the invasion of our country.
I do NOT accept monarchy.
I do NOT accept socialism.
I do NOT accept communism.
.....I do NOT accept these liars and thieves that are gonna start going out the door FORTY days from now.
Obviously, losing our country is "ok" with some of you out there. But it isn't with ME, and as we're gonna see in November, it doesn't set well with a LOT of people.
"CHANGE"........MsMarylin........Lamont......Frank.......is only GOOD, when it's going in the right direction!
No pun intended.
Forty days.
I'll give credit where it's DUE, though........Congress IS doing something positive.
It is breaking session early (so it doesn't HAVE to vote on anything unpopular before the election)..........and by leaving early, and going on yet another vacation, they won't be TOGETHER to screw anything else up. So they are actually DOING something for us right now.
And did you see the news last week. Showed Obama attending a church finally, after that political break from Rev Wright...........and just 6 weeks from the mid-terms.........
Some of you out there are still betwixed and bedazzled. But Obama, Biden, Reid, Pelosi and Gibbs aren't "foolin'" the bulk of the masses anymore...........and never fooled a lot of us to begin with.
Yes Lamont, there ARE two sides to every story, but in THIS case, that other side has a hammer & sickle stamped on it, and if you can't see why there is so much opposition, you might have studied history a little better.
the list is long..... to bad you can only post that as you see it affects you ......i have to laugh we need a couple of hundred thousand ww2 era weapons..... what we need is some common sense......well i never fought for a hammer and sickle......and to be equated with one is enough said.........question your own......dont question mine......long before you got there and long after you were gone ......and my history is just fine......i tend to read both sides......see ya
I'm not questioning yours...........unless you claim today's government as "yours."
Neither of us fought for the hammer & sickle, but neither did we fight and sacrifice all these years with the expectation of watching our own government turn comunistic with all of these takeovers and mandates..........the taking from those who WILL and spreading it around to those who WILL NOT.
Lamont, we've all SEEN "both sides" You can look at any socialist/communist country (USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc)..........and clearly SEE that it doesn't work, and the people are HELD under the thumb of their governments.
That's why I've always said that as far as I'm concerned on THIS issue, there AIN'T no "other side."
We can debate this forever, but Lamont old buddy...........when a government.....ANY government.........starts dictating to the people "How things are gonna be"............"you will BUY or you will be fined"........"with or without the voter's consent, we're just gonna do THIS and do THAT and UP YOUR TAXES along the way"...........
When they take from YOU to give to someone else............then figure out ways to take some MORE.......lining their OWN pockets while putting the public on "disregard".........we no longer have a Republic or a Democracy.
Even at the local town levels, politicians have exploited this trend when the voters first started going stupid, (which fortunately is reversing itself).
But it's all starting to grind to a halt in 35 days. Some of these characters are trying to distance themselves from your party by proclaiming to be "Independent Democrats". Won't work though, because their opponents continue to remind the voters what was VOTED on and SUPPORTED.
Your civil rights history is pretty solid, but your world history seems to be slightly amiss, or you would see the picture that has been forming here in our country.
Different variations of the old "Trojan Horse" story. They think if they CALL things "something else", the people will BUY it as "something else.
"Man-made disasters" is still TERRORISM.
"Immigration reform" is still AMNESTY.
"spreading YOUR wealth against your will is still SOCIALISM.
"fees" and "mandates" are still MORE TAXES (and there "weren't going to BE any", remember?).
Spending trillions to create hundreds of jobs is called "stimulous."
Anyway, it will be up too US to show them that you can't spend your way out of debt. When you're in a hole--------stop digging.
One would think this would be simple, but as they're obviously having a huge degree of difficulty understanding the "common sense" you and I both advocate..........I guess we're just gonna have to GET THEIR ATTENTION on November 2nd, eh?
They'll figure it out THEN, won't they!