Here we go again

Obama's papers need to be checked and he should be detained for a bit. They are doing this to keep the eyes off of Obama. Bait and switch.

Lots of that going on both sides/not just presidential candidates either.

Funny, how they can't be bothered with Black Panthers harrassing voters and calling them names or looking into a group of young men who dragged two people out of their car and beat them up in VA.

Very selective justice we have going on here.

And my question is, if they don't speak English how do they know that they are being called names?

Voters need to insist from Washington and especially from RNC House speaker, John Boehner of Ohio and Dave Camp of Michigan, Chairman of the empowered Ways and Means Committee to stop blockading the 50-state E-Verify bill. Each citizen voter should call the Congressional switchboard at 202-224-3121. The State of Arizona challenged the feds who are entirely to blame for not enacting strict immigration laws, but encouraging foreigners by free welfare assistance for decades? Entry through stealth when impersonating a visitor and then intentionally overstaying their expired visa. Others just slipping past the agents at the border; all should classified as a felony. Government and special interest state the numbers of people coming here has been minimal for the since the prolonged deep recession? But if you ask the ranchers and other property owners along the border, they have a different story to tell? Even if less illegal aliens are arriving here, that cannot assuage that the U.S government has 20 million plus to contend with?

In a report this month it was revealed that illegal immigrants are filing tax returns and claiming nephews and nieces that live in Mexico as dependents. They're claiming up to 20 dependents and collecting $30,000 income tax refunds. The IRS is doing nothing about it even though they know it's occurring. In a calculation by this agency, those illegal aliens have claimed $4.2 Billion dollars with their government sanctioned ITIN number, which circumvents the use of a official Social Security number.

So the best they can do, is provoke individual states trying to protect their citizens from unfunded mandates. Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina and a very few other states are the 'Patsy'. They are being victimized by the Liberal run Obama's Justice Department, although they turn a blind eye to violations of federal law, with the emergence of Sanctuary States like California, Nevada, Colorado, New York and more. Not only will the Attorney General Eric holder and his leftist attorneys bear down on states that defy his power, but anybody, who gets in the mix, is political fodder as with Sheriff Joe Arpaio from Maricopa Country. His only violation is he loves his country, observed the terrible consequences of the influx of illegal aliens who have damaged badly the state finances. Amongst the illegal invaders are criminals, that have saturated the city of Phoenix bring in the drug dealers, prostitution, robbery, sexual assaults on children and women and as widespread across the country drunken drivers; hit and runs.

When are the lawmakers in power going to grasp that real thinking Americans, as the Tea Party Movement, are not some small group of disgruntled voters, but rather the once 'silent majority', who are hushed no more? Thousands have never been to the election booth before are joining the TEA PARTY. We the People are frustrated and angry with both parties and they need to get it through in their head to listen to every voter or find themselves in the unemployment Line with Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana.

Indiana Secretary of State, a TEA PARTY leader, Mourdock challenged Lugar in part because of his constant leadership in pushing for amnesties for illegal aliens who have illegally stolen U.S. jobs.

NumbersUSA rated Sen. Lugar on 85 immigration actions since 1989. When each action was weighted according to the numerical impact, we found that he acted 81% of the time in favor of foreign workers and dependents over the interests of U.S. workers and dependents. That earned him a D-minus over his career, making him the worst Republican in the Senate (Sen. John McCain of Arizona is runner-up). He acted 84% of the time in favor of the Chain Migration of extended family of immigrants over the interests of U.S. workers. He acted 100% of the time in favor of foreign workers brought in through a random lottery.

* He acted 98% of the time for amnesty enticements and 76% of the time for other rewards for illegal aliens.

* And in 30 votes and co-sponsorships that were about direct importation of workers, he acted more than 99% of the time for more immigrant competition for U.S. workers.

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He did give tepid support to secure borders (C+) and interior enforcement (C) but tried to kill a pilot E-Verify program to keep illegal aliens from getting jobs back in 1996.

Begin 'Attrition through Enforcement' by enacting federal E-Verify to cast out illegal aliens from the workplace. Complete coverage of 'Secure Communities" for every state to locate the foreign criminals. Replace all profiteering lawmakers and thereby cleaning house; put familiar TEA PARTY leaders in their place Then according to a recent study by the Heritage Foundation another Comprehensive Immigration Reform package, better known as AMNESTY, would cost taxpayers an estimated $2.6 Trillion dollars to process and complete. Another giant price tag we cannot accept. Currently the 50 states have unfunded mandates of supporting foreign nationals of $113 billion dollars annually and counting.

The Tea Party does not discriminate against any citizen, naturalized citizen or permanent resident, but are in opposition to the illegal immigration occupation from any person, from any country who came here without consent. The TEA PARTY comprises of small and large chapters throughout America of every nationality, every race and every religious denomination? Their agenda is to replace all lawmakers, Governors, Mayor, police chiefs and all elected administrators in every federal, state and municipal agency that doesn't have the same loyal ideology of the Tea Party leaders. Dump the Eric Holders, the Napolitano's, the Senator Feinstein's out into the cold. If you cherish your sovereignty it is imperative we reject the growing rot in Congress that will benefit all of us, and then the TEA PARTY is the place to be.

The TP demands is a urgent need for a balanced tax code with no subsidies, loopholes for corporations, sugar industry or anybody else; an end of bureaucratic tricks to stop drilling on public lands or coastal waters with its massive deposits of oil, natural gas, that can ease our need for foreign imports and lessen the out-of-control 16 trillion dollar deficit. Make obsolete the Department of education and return the power to states, communities and parents for better educational performance. Downsize the Environmental Protection Agency and reverse the many of the unnecessary regulations that is crushing entrepreneur and small business opportunities. No more government bail outs for the friends of the Oval Office, no more 'cronyism' to Wall Street and an end to massive spending by Obama's Czars. Introduce a waste and reduction law, which begins the process of shrinking the size of government.

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One of the examples cited in the lawsuit was a Latino woman who is a U.S. citizen and was 5-months pregnant when she was stopped as she pulled into her driveway.

When the woman refused to sit on the hood of a car as the officer insisted, the officer pulled her arms behind her back, slammed her stomach first into the vehicle three times and dragged her to his patrol car. He shoved her into the back seat and made her wait for about 30 minutes without air conditioning, the lawsuit said.

Eventually, the woman was cited for failure to provide proof of insurance, but the matter was resolved when she provided such proof to a court, the lawsuit said.

And MsM? This happens daily to people of all walks of life and skin color. What was your point?

The point OM is what happened to this woman is in the DOJ lawsuit against Sheriff Joe. How many more people have been treated that way? Maybe that's why the DOJ stepped in. Do you have first hand knowledge of what all is in that lawsuit? If so I am interested.........

I answered your question, but you never answered mine

We would be better served it the DOJ just did their job instead of being selective.

MsM:

you might ask yourself about all those people who cross the border and commit crimes against ordinary citizens.

Ask their relatives how they feel about someone being "let" go because of the DOJ's meddling.

There are cops out there who do bad things. We all know that. But somewhere the line has to be drawn on how to stem the tide of criminals coming into our country and wreaking havoc in our communities.

What question MsM? I guess I missed it.

KH Gal I guess I am going to have to re-read Keith's blog. I thought we were only talking about the DOJ suing AZ Sheriff Arpaio. I didn't realize we were talking about the DOJ separately. They have many cases pending...

Which ones are you talking about?

OM I posed my question to you on the front page yesterday.

I could really care less what is in that suit. Ya see---our rights are being erroded and we have allowed it. That makes events such as these legal under probable cause. Personally, I think we need to get a grip on the illegal situation and should have done so years ago. They are going to bankrupt this country. I have been pulled over before for no good reason. If you have nothing to hide---who in the HECK cares? You provide the information requested, etc. and then you are on your way. Now if you have 500 lbs. of meth or pot in your trunk and door panels, well, then you deserve to be detained.

Some of you were ready to hang Zimmerman without any of the facts (some facts still to come). Our Government lies to us. Take nothing at face value. I like Joe. I think there should be 50 more (at least) of him. See, when you are a criminal you should not have more rights than that of a victim. Who cares if they have to wear pink. Who cares if their cells are small. Who cares if they get the food they like and all of the cable channels they want? They are criminals. Dirt bags. You do the crime, you do the time and not at the Holiday Inn or Club Fed.

Your bleeding heart is touching MsM...no...not really.

Your mistaken OM.....I have NO bleeding heart for Criminals!!! Period!! Remember my sister in law was murdered by a punk Criminal who is doing the time.

FOLLOWED arrested deported 3 yrs to prove citzenship to reenter this country....born American citzen.........followed, stoped no probalble cause, arrested framed with sopposeded drugs did 2 yrs, cop admitted he planted the drugs in the car.......and it goes on.I DONT KNOW WHAT BLEEDING HEART HAS TO DO WITH THAT?????? I am not soft on crime by any means.I want it done right not by the seat of there pants and as there personal bias dictates.....No reason to slam a pregnant female against a car.NO your not on your way,if your lucky your on your way if not you get a ticket that cant be contested like seat belt.

STOPPED for seeable violations not for a fishing expedition.fISHING EXPEDITIONS GET PEOPLE HURT FOR NO REASON AT ALL....IF YOU SURVIVE YOU GET TO SUE IF YOU DONT YOU GET BURIED.IF IT WERE YOU OR YOUR FAMIILY I DONT THINK YOU WOULD LIKE IT.

There are tools in place to fight illegals the powers to be at all levels need to use them and quite alibing the none use.And yes they will create and have created and economic strain,please remember who wants them here and why,( CHEAP LABOR)The idaho statsmans headline said it all and it is being repeated across the country.The number of farms that will fail without them will be very large and that will not help our trade balance.........so the congress needs to get busy it's called work.......I dont feel like I should be paying for them,they arn't doing anything.can sheriff JOE FIX THAT??????

Gee, you don't suppose good old Sheriff Joe is having problems because his office refused to investigate the rapes of minor girls because they were Mexican, do ya? They were also American Citizens!

Oh, I forgot, they're just "wetbacks".

Correction Mike, suspected of being gay because he bleached his long hair. Sounds like a surfer dude.

How very enlightening. Rape of a child is OK.

I certainly won't be taking my eyes off the ball any time soon. Believe it or not I stand with Romney today..........don't get excited it's only on something that surfaced today. And I hope the Demos don't make a bigger case out of it. Fair is Fair

Just for the record Romney spoke quite a bit about the Gay marriage thing yesterday and today...

MsM:

I did respond to your question. I said yes and asked what your point was. You said "a simple yes or no will do." Here is it again---Y-E-S.

Was that simple enough for you?

MsM:

I think your eyes are off more than the balls these days.

Touch a nerve Bucky?? It is a well known fact that his dept. is being investigated over the rapes.

Om you cracked me up with your comment. LOL! I not only missed your answer I missed a bunch of comments. Sorry

I would say yesterday, it was Romney's HS Friends (all five of them) who started the whole thing. Both Romney and Obama responded to the report...

I know, violating the civil rights of people because of their skin color is no big deal. Right? The things you are willing to ignore in order to sing the praises of Sheriff Joe just amazes me and indicates the direction you are willing to send this country in. Mike you are right. We need 2 countries. The one you want will eventually condone genocide and other atrocities.

TREASON AND SEDITION.......KEEP TALKING......AND YES I BELIEVE WHAT I AM HEARING......I WONT TAKE MY EYE OFF THE BALL.

Kinda funny how parts of the subject brought up was not spoken off and then you accuse ROY OF CHANGING THE SUBJECT WHEN YOU DID.........it is one thing to dislike a person it is a whole different thing to lie about them.Is that the kinda thing that happens in a right wing court when you feel the person is guilty but you cant prove it????? JUST WONDERING.

Nobody is forcing any one to live with liberals you can always try to kill us all.PROBLEM....we have guns too////// AND we know how to use them.

SHERIFF JOE would make a good symbol for a modern day confederacy,left unchecked he will wind up in his own jail.....just a matter of time.

You come to our country legal or illegal you come under our law......The rapes and other things count.JUSTICE is not just for the right as it see's fit it is for everyone.The key is if you are looked at as not worth anything you dont get justice ....because you dont deserve it......talk about history repeating itself.....I HAVE HEARD THAT BEFORE........HAD 2 FRIENDS IN THE TOWERS JUSTICE DIDNT CHANGE ON THAT DAY.....AND THERE FAMILY'S FEEL THE SAME........

200+ victims of sexual assault,some children, mostly American Citizens. Their only crime is being Mexican.

THEY DONT SEE AMERICAN CITIZENS OR HUMAN BEINGS AND DONT TAKE THE TIME TO FIND OUT.....And that's OK for some because it's THEM it is happening to.....how sick is that.???

There are so many bad things happening to good people everyday. And while the government is happily campaigning this year, we are swinging in the wind.

Quite frankly, I am sick of this whole business.

Do the job that you were hired to do. Keep in Mind that Lady Justice should not pick and choose as to which violation of liberty and personal rights that they want to prosecute or investigate.

All this careful editing and parsing of words by the media, our elected officials and other persons of authority are slowing tearing down our country.

Sheep and Cattle can live side by side. Everyone figured that out over 100 years ago, but now without bloodshed.

People figured out that other races were just as human as they were. And to some degree, we have bent over backwords to make amends for that.

We even co-exist with those whose personal choices in lifestyles or sexual orientation. That does not mean that they should have more rights than we do.

It is like we have several spoiled children demanding their fair share when the majority of all the other children are behaving themselves.

YOU......FOR ATTEMPTING TO TWIST THE WORDS.....THE BLACK KITTIES, ARE THEY FRIENDS OF YOURS SEEING HOW I DONT KNOW ANYONE OF THAT PERSUASION OR ANYONE ON THE BLOG THAT ANSWERS TO THAT TITLE.

HOW alleged voter intimidation and alleged rape are equal takes some doing but I guess if that equals something to you that's your business.DOES it bother you that part of the reason for the investigation is the accussation of reported rapes that the sheriffes department cared not to investigate?? OR is that also one of those that's the way it is?????

I would suggest that you take your foolhardy insults and shove them,to include the race baiting.You have a lot of people here who seem to think your comments are worthy of praise for some reason.I for one miss none of your attitude or your snide over the top remarks....FOOL.....YOU NEED TO STOP PROJECTING YOUR SELF....

Bucky, your failure to condemn the fact that his department has repeatedly fail to investigate rapes and sexual assaults means only one thing. You condone his behavior. You either condone or condemn. You have made your position perfectly clear.

Mike, the only way a split would work is to leave the choice as to which country a state wants to join is by popular vote. Any other way disenfranchises people.

I have family that has lived in Tucson since the 50's

My parents lived there until 2003 Last time I was there was in 2009. I guess I should talk to my relatives about Sheriff Joe... see what they got to say about whats going on down there. I have a cousin who was Border patrol... Not sure what he is doing now, last I heard he was in the Guard.

Just a simple question Mike. If you lived down there and it was your daughter or grand daughter, how would you feel?

Remember...........it's only "rape" if you struggle."

-- Posted by bazookaman on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 10:08 PM

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SO BUCKSHOT WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU??....... WE CALL PEOPLE LIKE YOU SIGNIFYING MONKEYS.....THEY TALK TRASH,INSULT AND THREATEN. OTHERS FOLLOW BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE THE COURAGE OR CONVICTION TO STOP THEMSELFES.THEN THE SIGNIFIER STAND BACK AND SAY'S I didnt do nothing.....GO away fool!!!!!!! I know your game and so does a lot of others.YOU like to get off with your garbage......go back and sit the rest out on the COUCH that is about all you were good for both then and now.IDIOT comming from you considering the source that's a compliment......anything else you got to say???

YOU THREATEN ROY'S LIFE AND THEN YOU UNPROVOKED INSULT ME.....YOUR ON A ROLL.... NOT BAD FOR A SIGNIFIER......WHO'S NEXT????..... Id make a suggestion but you might be related.SPEAKING OF BIRDS SEEN ANY MAGPIES LATELY

Bucky, you are as ignorant as can be. Don't you remember Mike's admonition about thinking twice before posting? by your ignorance, stupidity and arrogance, you have made yourself suspect number one if anything ever happens to me on the road or elsewhere. What gets posted to the net never goes away.

BUCKY .....YOU ATTACK BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LIBERAL OR YOU THINK THEY ARE.....OH YOUR SCARING ME TO DEATH....RACE BAITING VICTIM THATS NICE....IS THAT AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT OR A COMMENT.You can attack all the so called liberals you want it just shows your ignorance and bigotry.Ignorance to you is anyone who doesnt think your way.YOU are a racist it's very clear in your post,your also a bigot that is also clear,envious of what?DECIETFULL ?? do you know me?? HAVE I CHEATED YOU OUT OF SOMETHING?? hatfull ?? if I hated YOU OR ANYONE THEY WOULD KNOW IT......I AM NOT YOU I DONT CAST JUDGMENT ON PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE OF A DIFFERENT POLITICAL PERSUASION UNLESS THEY SAY SOMETHING LIKE......BECAUSE I AM...... GET IT.MY FRIENDS WHO ARE ULTRA RIGHT .....WE HEAR EACH OTHER OUT....WITHOUT INSULTS OR PREJUDGMENTS

YOU DONT LIKE PEOPLE TO TELL YOU THEY will fight back if you attempt to play HITLER with them.YOUR statment.... LIBERAL BUFFONS THAT POST ON HERE... TELLS THE TALE STUPID. The truth of your buffonest comes out of your own mouth.INTIMIDATED BY IGNORANCE......THAT CODE PHRASE....is old and you only use it to me so I figure somebody with sopposedly your iq could do better.....your a joke.YOU dont have anything I need or want.......YOU see stupid I have the AMERICAN DREAM I EARNED EVERY BIT OF IT.BOATS,CARS,CAMPERS,HOUSE,WIFE ,KIDS.EDUCATION,I HAVE IT ALL TO INCLUDE A RETIREMENT CHECK.and guess what after RETIRING FROM THE MILITARY.I OWNED MY OWN BUSINESS I have NEVER HAD TO WORK FOR SOME BIGOT LIKE YOU.......DOESNT THAT JUST FROST YOUR BUTT........TO BAD.....YOU see stupid I have the smarts and the initiative to do anything I want .....I certainly dont need you OR ANYONE LIKE YOU never have.

REMEMBER IF YOU WALK UP ON MY LAWN SPEWING YOUR ULTRA RIGHT WING HATRED AND THREATENING ME AND MINE THIS LIBERAL DOESNT HAVE THE FEAR YOU THINK WE HAVE.......YOU CAN TRY ME IF YOU WANT.....WANT MY ADDRESS????HOWS THAT FOR BEING A POLITCALLY CORRECT,RACE BAITING ,VICTIM,LIBERAL,IGNORANT,BUFFON,LEFTIST,DECIETFULL,ENVIOUS,PERSON....YOU ARE AND IGNORANT COWARD WHO SHOULD CLIMB BACK ON THE COUCH AND STAY THERE. WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THE FIGHTS OVER.

SORRY ABOUT THAT KEITH BUT I HAVE HAD ENOUGH.

And the CAPS LOCK war begins yet again. Do not feed the trolls. You can't argue with stupid or insanity. Do not go down to their levels---it just makes them post more CRAP!!!

No need to say sorry Buckshot, I agree with you on most of what you have to say. However, you will never change what or how they think and really, you are too smart to waste your time on such things. If you are going to wrestle with the pigs and get dirty...at least be equally matched. It is not fun to "debate" with a closed minded, racist, brick wall.

All you end up with is head pain. They are not worth it Buckshot. I enjoy reading what you write and for the most part agree with you. However, your smarts and common sense are lost on Lamont, MsM, Pratt, etc. Not worth the frustration.

No need to apologize to me Buckshot :) I apologize to you guys. I wrote this blog and haven't commented one time. My wife has been TDY in Maryland for this past week and I haven't had time to do anything! You guys hit a lot of the points I wanted to make in your comments though.

Buckshot:

Any one who can defend Obama after all he has done/not done has a screw loose and you will never be able to fix that---no matter how much of what you say makes sense. Those China made blinders are thick and I suspect have chemicals on them that cause you (collective you---not Buckshot "you") to become even more stupid. I also think they are rose colored as well.

Enjoy your day Buckshot. I enjoy your posts. Hey Zook, Rich got that back ordered gun after 1 year! You out on the range today?

Those who insult others do this to make themselves feel more superior. By putting someone else down, you falsely elevate your position but only in your mind; to others that witness this kind of rudeness, you look even more inferior.

Insulting is a sign of immaturity

The act of insulting others is particularly common among people who are deeply insecure. If you're not feeling good about yourself, you try to bring other people down to your level.

It's rude and shows ignorance

MsM, didn't we just have a talk about this the other day? And you defended the actions of another by saying something like politics tend to bring that out in people? It wasn't rude then but it is now? Just so I'll know who I'm speaking with, what side of your mouth are you talking out of today?

MsM:

And you know all about that. Hit a nerve ey?

I don't find my post to be rude, I find it to be the definition of "why do people insult" If you find the definition Rude write "Websters Elementary Dictionary" and I'm speaking front and center, with lips parted.

Oh Buckshot I know perfectly well I also can throw out insults. The definition was for all of us.

You thought Buckshot are the worse one, I bet one out of 3 of your comments you leave will have an insult in them. Why is when you don't agree with some one you have to insult or insinuate.

Example who are the 3 stooges?

"None of the three stooges matter one iota to me, I see them for what they are, as you no doubt do, too."

KT, her words were

"KT I think we are all rude at one time or another. Discussing politics can bring out the worse in all of us. Also discussing Religion will do it.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 1:18 PM

Now 3 stooges is just plain childish. Consider the source.

Oh please Roy. Here we go. The Master of passive aggressive bull is going to give a lecture. You and Lamont...the victims.

Like I said the other day. The rudeness/insulting doesn't bother me. I'm 39 years old, not 12. I'm not going to tell the teacher on anyone. I just find it funny how she justifies them (rudeness/insults) on one blog, uses them on another, and condemns them on a third. It's even funnier when she does all 3 in the same sentence.

Like Buckshot said, hypocrisy at it's finest.

Amen Buckshot. You can lead a horse to water...

It is always funny to see how when the insults fly where the blame game begins and the school yard finger pointing begins.

And let us not forget the CAPS LOCK and ignorant ranting about how "WE" are racists.

Nothing like the smell of bull in the afternoon. Soon, I may need to put my boots on cuz the doo doo is starting to pile up.

The best part is that Obama is still the worst President this country has ever seen. His record speaks for itself.

Or perhaps multiple personality disorder?

KT I can insult as well as any of you can. If your calling me a hypocrite so be it, I will consider the source.

If it didn't bother you then your fingers wouldn't of found their way to the keyboard.

What you have to say about me only slides off my back.....

I can be just as rude and insulting as the rest of you can, but I have the ability to stop myself before I go to deep, the rest of you can't do that because you don't have that voice inside you that says. Don't do that, no let it go, Don't say anymore"

I thank God everyday that none of my boys turned out like the likes of some of you.

Now be like little kids, pick my comment apart, insult me The ball is now in your court.

Please do consider the source, MsM. Maybe you will adjust your wacky rants accordingly. No need to pick your comments apart, crazy speaks for itself.

OM and Bucky running neck and neck

Hey Buckshot:

I consider the comments compliments. See the glass half full. We do not want to be like them anyway. Consider the source.

Zook, glad you got some range time in. Rich and I did not. We both have had homework to do. I have a state board to get ready for and Rich has finals. Wish we could have tried out the new gun. At least you had some fun for us! We were there in spirit my friend.

Must be time for a full moon.

It's really sad when a young pretty girl goes for a job interview and is laughed at and told "we don't want you" could it have been the color of her skin?

Headed down range Zook before the wind kicks up to higher than what it is. Glad you got some time in. We did know there was a gun show...however...Rich got the gun he had waited a year for and I think that is it for this week. Although one can never have too many guns. They are like purses and shoes and a person should have 1 for each day of the year.

Hope Donna has a great Mother's Day and that you 2 enjoy the day. I am headed out to fire my gun from the homeland. Rich is about to fire his new one. Gonna be a great day. I have your back Zook. I agree with you. If you are going to use your ammo you had better make each round count. Nothing like wasting metal.

Happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there. Hope y'all have a great day. Off to the range!

SOME UNDERSTANDING TO THE THOUGHT OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTIONS.......The premise was that being that a group had been supressed and not allowed to work in certain fields there was no way they could gain the experiance through attrition..Given that premise the affirmative action plan was for the private sector and the government agency to devise a PLAN that would bring these people in to gain the exsperience needed.There were no set numbers there was sopposed to be GOALS SET by the EMPLOYER to insure his/her workforce represented the population base.WITH THAT said....the usefullnes of the affirmative actions plans days are over,there are pockets were people are still resistant to hiring minority's but for the most part it doesnt happen.When it does and it is proven the penalties can be pretty high.I wish every one was hired and fired based on character but that is not the case,otherwise unemployment among minority's would not be double that of whites and degree holders would not be paid less than there white counter part although there degree's are from the same schools,so we have a ways to go.

The military went to a testing system to eliminate for the most part the bias in promotions.YES it did work,the numbers changed dramatically in the enlisted corp.AS THOSE NUMBERS CHANGED RECRUITING OF MINORITY COLLEGE GRADUATES WAS STEPPED UP AND THE OFFICER CORP ALSO CHANGED.Through time and the recognition that all people are capable the military has led the charge in this country.I for one am gratefull for being part of the corp that effected that change.

I hope that gives a better understanding about the how's and why's.I could go more in depth but I think you get the point if not ask away.......latter

Great day on the range Zook! Hope you and Donna had a great day as well.

Glad you had some time away from the insanity my friend.

Yes Buckshot, ineed. It is interesting to see how people do not know the difference between two, too, to, there, their, who, whom, then, than, a, an, s' or 's, etc. (to name just a few). It truly is a tribute to our education system. Then, these same people go on to write letters in business.

Then, there is lowering the standarized test scores to get into college so that "everyone" is on a level playing field. What a hoot.

Yep, things sure are equal for all.

Most people believe the weighted system just added up points, but there were preferences (points) given to some based on other than testing, awards, and APRs/OERs.

ARSENAL........QUESTION; AT WHAT LEVEL WAS THESE PREFERENCE POINTS SOPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN GIVEN AND WHEN.???? E-8 and 9 promotions where and are different.PLEASE seperate officer promotions from enlisted....and what branch of the service you are speaking of......I would appreciate it.

I'm not going to expand on what I posted.