Tea-Partiers should thank ObamaPosted Friday, April 16, 2010, at 7:48 AM
Hello all. It is me, the Queen of the Moron Squad still waiting for my coronation and to get the tiara that I have always dreamed of having. Diamonds with a few rubies (my birtstone) would be acceptable. Oh, and a royal purple robe would be nice as well. And I want my party too! A big one with lots of people all adoring me as I walk by in my Cinderella gown and purple robe. Yes, that's it! And flowers too. Lots of roses everywhere. Okay, I'm done with that.
In Miami, Obama was speaking at a Democratic fundraiser. When I heard the following statement, it sums up the indifference that this man feels towards the majority of this country. Yes, the Tea Party people are growing in massive numbers, yet he is amused. "I've been a little amused over the last couple of days where people have been having these rallies about taxes," the president said, noting the numerous tax cuts pushed by his administration. "You would think they'd be saying thank you." Amused that Americans are against big government spending. Amused that Americans have banned together to express their Constitutional right to free speech. Amused that Americans would be upset over the criminal manner in which this healthcare bill was passed. Amused that Americans are angry over their Representatives are not representing their views but voting however they are pressured to vote. Amused that no matter how unconstitutionally wrong his Administation gets, these Americans actually think that they will make a difference. He thinks that he can do whatever he wants. He is amused at the little people and their pathetic attempts to make a difference. "For all the sound and fury and all the scare tactics... the law doesn't hand more control to the government," the president said, "it gives it back to you, the American people." HUH? More control to the people? Source? Read it in numerous papers and on numerous TV news. (Time: 6:45am) He thinks that we should be thanking him? I am literally sick to my stomach! I am not amused! I am not indifferent! I am overwhelmed with sadness. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Here's where our tax Dollars go According to Brian Williams on NBC
43% Social Security Medicaid and Medicare
20% Defense
2% Education
2% Home land Security
6% Feral Deficit
Whats left over goes towards road building Veterans National Parks and etc
For each Dollar spend 61% on the dollar is paid for on taxes while 39% is borrowed
47% Households didn't pay federal income tax
Obama's speech at the fundraiser in Miami
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15...
Bush was not alone in his destructive ways. He had help from both sides in his misguided efforts. Obama gets way too much credit. Dont tell anyone here though because that demands that they look beyond FOX tells them.
Bush's fault.
ALWAYS.
Gay? Liberal? Anti-gun? Socialist? Anti-American?...............the Democrats want YOU!
This is officially my last post. I can't deal with this ignorance anymore, and it ain't worth my time. there's too much to do now.
Liberals are the dumbest human beings on the face of this earth, and we're gonna do something about it.
Bye.
"He thinks that he can do whatever he wants."
So far, he has.
Bye,Bye!
"Ted" Bazookaman,
Well thoughtout blog, full of insightful, meaning retic, I especially like the part of;
"This is officially my last post. I can't deal with this ignorance anymore, and it ain't worth my time. there's too much to do now".
Please don't tease us Ted, I'm going to hold you on your word that this is your LAST blog...please say it ain't soo. One question, should we worry when you say "there's too much to do now". Do I need to inform the authorities?
Well, I guess Ted finally woke up and smelled the coffee. Thanks Ted for doing us all a favor. Another far-right, goose steppin extremist down for the count...in the words of Mr Jackie Gleason "how sweet it is"!
Go Coffee Party!
PS Kim, I am soo glad that you acknowledged your official role. The first part of recovery is acceptance and putting away denial. We are all waiting for your arrival in the "common-sense" squad, which is only about 90 percent of America. We will leave the light on!
Where was this shock, anger, and sadness when our government (under George W.) took this country from the largest budget surplus in US history to the largest deficit? Where was the shock and outrage when the value of the dollar fell 30% over the last decade? I find it kind of strange that the tea party formed less than three months after Obama was sworn in as President, to protest the way the government was working, but sat quietly while our country went to total CRAP under the previous administration. I however, do agree that there has been an unimaginable about of spending by our government, which is one of the few point I see eye to eye with the tea party. But I think it goes to show just how close to the brink our country was, thanks to you know who... Apparently someone reported my last post.., obviously they had no response to facts and decided to take the cowards way out!!
There is no excuse for bad manners.
You do not argue by insult unless you have no argument. Silencing a man does not equal conversion. Bazook told everyone what he thought...some disagreed; but many chose just to insult his beliefs. He may have felt that liberals have an incurable disease and lack the courage to kill themselves before spreading it around; but, he spelled out the reasons for his beliefs.
We shared a few differences Bazookaman, but I'm gonna miss ya.
Twil,
A question, How did Obama get help from both sides? He has owned both houses of congress from day one yet still has issues getting things done. The largest thing he got done through backdoor deals and paying "bribes". The Republicans have done everything they can do short of all out revolt. Please show me where the conservatives...both parties...have helped Obama do what he's done to this country.
mhbouncer,
The problems with this country didnt start with Obama.., I do recall the Republican candidate putting his campaign on "hold" to tend to the economic crisis. We allowed the right to do it their way for the past eight years and we see where that has gotten us...
I was sad when I wrote this blog about the indifference and contempt that our President has for "the little people" but I am even more sad to read Bazooka has laid down his arms, so to speak. I took some time off from writing due to a tough schedule but I haven't given up.
DUMB,
You and those like you have RUINED every place you have been, then spread like a disease across the country trying to drag every other place down to the level of the place you came from. True mark of liberal racist trash, rather than lift yourself up, you seek to drag others DOWN to your level in some sorry attempt to improve your own self worth.
You only have to read the paper or watch the news to see the violent crime, drug abuse, trafficking in women that go on in those big liberal cities to see the affects of your disgusting, racist entitlement mentality. You go ahead and continue, give it your best shots at insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you, continue sucking up those welfare checks and food stamps growing fatter each day like a hog for slaughter.
You may be right in one respect, this country may truly have slipped too far into the hands of you and those like you that there is no turning back. One of the true indicators as to whether you are correct or not about "the demographics is changing" will be the November elections. You better start rounding up the rest of the overweight welfare mommies like you and rallying your oprah troops because I can assure you the conservative WORKING class in this state and this nation are awake now and I for one am tired of supporting those like you, so MY VOTE will be cast.
I get a laugh out of watching the so called liberal news media though, they have already begun to slowly and discreetly siwng their opinions and editorials back towards the conservative side because THEY see the writing on the wall, read the Idaho "hatesman" "boise bama booster" the comments on there have become more intense and the swing has begun.
Another great indicator for you would be the facebook pages that have sprung up, the page of those IN FAVOR OF bamas health care sham has around 65000 members... The page OPPOSED... OVER 1.3 MILLION as of yesterday see the writing on the wall yet?
I "thank" Obama for many, many things these days. His foreclosure program is doing wonders. Banks who were bailed out show better than average profits (most not all).
In the meantime, my fellow Americans take it in the shorts. Thank you Obama.
Do you suppose 1.3 million of those individuals opposed to the Health Care Insurance Reform Act recently passed by both the House and Senate of the United States and signed into law by the President, are in complete agreement with the shortfalls they may perceive in that reform?
Do you suppose that some of those 1.3 million people may find themselves or their loved ones benefitting from this Health Care Insurance Reform in some way?
Do you suppose a number of those 1.3 million who may benefit would recognize and accept those benefits?
What place would those people then hold in the grand scheme of the opposition movement? Would they then be branded "sell-outs" or "socialists" and banished from the opposition movement?
Or would the movement offer to compromise on those issues the "sell-outs" sold out over, simply to maintain a cohesive opposition?
Gads! Compromise?!
The opponents of this issue adopted a poor strategy, which failed them and those they represent. If I had opposed this reform legislation, I would be more furious with the failed strategy employed by those I had helped elect to represent my interests.
Here's another resource for consideration:
http://www.healthreform.gov/index.html
All royalty boarding the Crazy Train should stand well clear of the doors to ensure their royal garments do not become caught.
Mind the gap.
MHB, read the post a bit more carefully. "Bush" is not the only one behind his archaic, misguided ways. Obama gets too much credit because there are plenty of morons in all levels of govt. who help him out. He is not a one-man wrecking crew. Verstehen sie.
Not to be insulting but I introduced the first subject, composed two sentences, and expected one to follow along. I dont need to introduce the subject a second time?
cant justwatch,
where does your thought process come from? For the very last time, this blogger is NOT a liberal, far from it...I do not affiliate with any polictial group.
I simply process information that comes from numerous sources. Some from the left, some from the right and most from the center, hence the word "Centrist", I'll even give you a text-book definition of the word;
"a person who holds moderate views. Centrism is the ideal or the practice of promoting moderate policies which lie between different political extremes".
So your rant about liberal cities and welfare fall on deaf ears with this blogger. Sometime when you not shooting at whistle pigs with your semi-auto handgun, read a little, and enrich your knowledge of the world.
How about taking a course in U.S. History and see how our country was running with the fat cat industrialist.
Nice talking with ya!
Here's a nice read on tea partier's
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/19/ma...
Comments have dried up since Bazooka left. Hint.. hint..
One thought... why would nations institute social welfare programs, income redistribution, etc.? Maybe to stave off revolutions. The U.S., France, Haiti, most of Latin America, Russia before the revolution had some elements in common. Major gaps between the rich and the poor. The immensely rich minority ruling the mostly dirt poor majority. Public education, universal suffrage, social welfare programs such as social security and workmen's comp. have leveled the playing field enough. The trick is drawing the line and deciding when the playing field is level enough.
Twil,
You are correct, the key to being successful is stopping before crossing the line between helping out those who NEED it, and becoming a socialist society where people know they will be taken care of no matter what so they lack initiative and drive to succeed.
Me personally I like to think Darwin's ideas have merit in many situations. If you ever want a good laugh search the darwin awards online. Some of those who were ignorant enough to remove themselves from the gene pool did us ALL a favor, and hopefully had not reproduced prior to doing so.
Call me heartless if you want but the truth is there HAS TO BE INCENTIVE TO EXCEL IN THIS WORLD, if not then we as a society stagnate and will go the way of the dinosaurs.
A few things that are fact.
BUMB is not a centrist from her posts.
Bush did wrong and led the country of the path and did take a surplus to a deficit. On the other hand what Bush screwed up in eight years obama has done 10 times the damage in less than two years, financially speaking?
The US Constitution doesn't guarantee anyone healthcare, welfare, or any entitlements. It does guarantee everyone the right to work for it.
There is a lot of racism most from the left, if you disagree with his holiness (obama) you are automatically branded a racist from the left. There are also some on the right but they are easy to spot and even the conservative people would like them to shut up and go away.
The government is trying to make a welfare state, why work when you can get it for free. The problem with this thinking is when you become dependent on the government they control you...ask a drug addict if you don't believe it.
The US will be in the same position as California when but who will they borrow from to get bailed out....China? You better start learning a new language, I suggest Chinese.
If they crook in Washington both Republican and Democrat don't think there could be another armed revolution they are mistaken.
Now don't turn me into the thought police for having an opinion. It's not against the law YET.
I would hope that Americans are smart enough to avoid an armed revolution. I have debated this ad nauseum before so I will refrain.
What drove Jonas Salk to develop a vaccine for polio?
"In 1955 Salk's years of research paid off. Human trials of the polio vaccine effectively protected the subject from the polio virus. When news of the discovery was made public on April 12, 1955, Salk was hailed as a miracle worker. He further endeared himself to the public by refusing to patent the vaccine. He had no desire to profit personally from the discovery, but merely wished to see the vaccine disseminated as widely as possible."
http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/...
Every four years, since 1781, The United States has performed a feat admired by the vast majority of the world: a peaceful transition or extension of power from one group to another.
Our Constitution may be denigrated by some of our own citizens, but it's envied by citizens of countries that don't have one.
Mike....Bazookaman....PLEASE DON'T LEAVE US!! You know someday they're all going to say, "Geez, that dude was RIGHT!" We need you man!!
And why in the world does DUMB keep calling you "Ted"??? Gotta good laugh over that one.
P.S. Kim, your blog is one of the few I enjoy reading. Don't let them intimidate you. You always hit the nail on the head. Keep up the good work!
Kim first started blogging about Obama February 6th 2009. He was only 1 month in office when she found fault with him,
1 month in office WOW ! That really tells me something about Kim...she doesn't have any patience and she finds fault easily. Does she find fault so easily with herself, family and friends??
On another note did you know All four guns used in the Columbine mass shootings were bought from private sellers at gun shows. None of the firearms required a background check.
Unfortunately, the Gun Show Loophole that allowed this horrible shooting to occur over a decade ago has still not been closed.
I suppose if Obama goes after this all the Republicans will oppose any thing he tries to do to keep us all safe.
STAND BY YOUR CHICKEN HA ! Heres a Republican Senate candidate from Nevada,
( Sue Lowden) who suggested we should get health care by bartering stuff like chickens.
Can you imagine having cancer treatments and showing up with a couple chickens to pay your bill. HA !
And then there is Tennessee's State Representative Mike Bell who suggests paying with vegetables. Only in America ............
Outtathere......this is not intended as a "post", just a response to yours.
Thanks for the good comments, but you have to understand that the liberal mind is almost impossible to deal with after awhile. "Constitution" is an extremely foreign term to communist-thinking people. You can draw pictures for them until you run out of paper, but they do not see or begin to comprehend what's going down in this country even when it's happening right in front of them.
Any attempt to relay common sense to a liberal is like trying to drink coffee with a fork.
You see them heading full throttle down a road that ends into space like Wiley Coyote's thousand foot drop into the canyon.
At some point in time, you finally just say "Screw it.............let 'em go!"
I really don't have anything more to say, that isn't gonna be said 203 days from now, or less.
"Ted?"..............couldn't tell you. Don't care, and coming from Dumb, it's of no importance anyway.
Have a good day, outtathere.
PS to Outtathere.............the bittersweet thing of it...........is that while I probably WILL be proven "right"........
I don't WANT to be. I really don't. It infuriates me to no end that this crap is even happening at all.
"On another note did you know All four guns used in the Columbine mass shootings were bought from private sellers at gun shows. None of the firearms required a background check."
Hmmm I thought it was three of the four. Not that it matters as I'm sure the folks that bought the guns at the gun shows for these underage criminals would have passed the background checks anyway.
"Unfortunately, the Gun Show Loophole that allowed this horrible shooting to occur over a decade ago has still not been closed."
It's laughable that you think a gun show allowed this or any shooting to occur!
Not that it matters as I'm sure the folks that bought the guns at the gun shows for these underage criminals would have passed the background checks anyway.
My point: They are going to get them anyway and get them anyway they can. Unfortunately things like this are going to happen. All you can do is try to be prepared or hope that your neighbor is and can save you too. A lot can happen while Joe citizen waits for Joe police officer to show up.
Riverboy
I think who ever buys a gun at a gun show should show a weapons permit OR if no weapons permit then a background check. That would keep guns out of some thugs hands however not all thugs as they I am sure no how to get a weapon when they need one
Riverboy
This article on columbine shooting says it was 3 guns bought at a gun show. Any one know where the 4th gun came from?......... and also says there was no background check on the buyer
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0420/O...
MaMarylin,
I have to wonder where you get YOUR news, here's a link that should entertain you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9R-cQ_A_...
It is a DUMBOCRAT senator from Georgia, you know one of those who voted for the healthcare farce without even reading it. Watch the video and you will quickly see he is too stupid to understand what is in the bill anyways so it doesn't matter if he read it or not. If the link does not work please go to youtube.com and search:
Hank Johnson Fears Guam May Capsize
Would you like to do some more comparisons? I can pull these all day long, unfortunately there are too many OVERPAID idiots running this country right now. This IDIOT gets paid $174000 a year to think of stupid ways to waste our tax money.
And yes as I said this IDIOT is a perfect example of the kind of IDIOTS that voted FOR the healthcare farce!
cjw I got my information from the tv last night
and NO I don't watch the IDIOT GLEN BECK
Speaking of Idiot's your George Bush obviously didn't know how to go about Health Reform.
I agree we have some Dumbocrats as well as some REPUBLICANTS
Bazooka, great to see you back. I missed ya. The voice of reason. I knew you would not let me down. Happy reading has again returned. HA!
Bazookaman nice to see your return. Sometimes we need to step away for awhile.
Speaking of the illegals what do you all think about the Arizona Governor signing into law immigration enforcement?
I think its going to lead to some problems.
I think it is great. Ole Obama is having a problem with it. Says only the Fed govt should be making immigration laws that would affect all States. He is already checking Arizonas immigration enforcement law to see if it is legal. There is no way he wants States to do it on their own. Guess his Aunt best not show up in Arizona huh? LOL. Arizona knows it has a problem, and is trying to manage it. Isn't that what State legislatures and governors are supposed to do. Yeeaah.
Kudos to Jan Brewer for 'growing some', even if she didn't have to because she is a woman, and signing a bill that will help law enforcement crack down on illegal immigration. It's hard to believe that more wasn't done about this long ago.
Yes, Mike, I know that you DO NOT want to be right. I know that ego has NOTHING to do with this. It just happens that you ARE right and someday, likely in the not too distant future, some of these folks are going to have to admit that ole Bazookaman knew EXACTLY what he was talking about (I can already hear them groaning). And I agree with you on drawing pictures for the liberals...there's not enough paper in the world!!
I had not intended to return to these blogs, but made the mistake of continuing to read them. I'm still going to AVOID posting unless i really feel it's necessary, though.
The new Arizona law is good. When the Feds won't help you, you do it yourself. If you're any kind of a governor, you don't let them come over the line and start killing ranchers.
Janet Napolitano was governor when I was still living east of Phoenix. She not only refused to keep them out, but FAVORS AMNESTY. She constantly harassed "Sheriff Joe" for doing what the Feds would NOT. I did not understand how Obama could POSSIBLY appoint her as Head of Homeland Security, giving her all FIFTY states to ignore.
I understand it NOW. And for the record, she just HALTED fence construction a few days ago. Jan Brewer is a governor who puts her state ahead of Washington.
Obama is immediately against this, under the guise of "fairness" and the "civil problems it might cause", but his REAL concern is 2012.
He wants to grant amnesty if the temperature ever cools down before November. He isn't stupid. He and the rest of them in D.C. know that every illegal suddenly LEGALIZED is a "grateful new party voter" in 2012, and there are 13 million of them here already.
What Arizona just did, may well start a chain reaction all over the south, just like with the lawsuits. THAT has to be in the back of his mind as well.
Finally of course, there's "profiling" (a favorite leftist word along with "racist")....................so what? If ya got nothin' to hide.........I have to prove who I am everytime I go into a bank, go to a doctor's appointment, drive out to the base or buy a new gun.
I don't understand the beef. The legal immigrants THEMSELVES don't like the illegals sneaking in, and NOT having to go through the same process that THEY did. Most of them resent it.
Arizona ENFORCED their states rights, rather than wait for the government to do something. At least somebody down THERE can read the Constitution! I'm all FOR it.
The way I've heard this law explained is, law enforcement officers in the state of Arizona are now permitted to arbitrarily check the identification of any person, and they are required to challenge any person that the officer may perceive as not being "one of us".
I don't have any problem with providing identification at the bank, or the doctor, or the base, or when I buy a gun.
But if anyone, whether "us" or "them", in the state of Arizona elects not to provide identification to state law enforcement officers, may they expect be taken into custody? What factors will state law enforcement officers consider before taking someone into custody?
"...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
It is going to get very interesting in the state of Arizona and I will be watching to see how this all plays out.
Under this law Officers can arrest people who cannot prove their legal residency upon questioning
and you call Obama a Nazi or a communist.
If they forget to carry their papers on them they will be arrested. What about a legal Hispanic who gets stopped and arrested because he doesn't have any ID on him? Many times I leave my house with NO ID. Can you really tell from appearance who is legal and who isn't?
If its not racial profiling then their going to be looking at blood hair blue eyed folks too.
Article IV, Section IV, Dave, coupled with the 10th Amendment itself.
If the Feds won't do their job, the states have the power to do it themselves.
OUTTATHERE........remember the "drawing paper" we talked about? Sit back and watch the response from THIS one:
Janet Napolitano's lack of immigration policies while governor of Arizona, has contributed deeply to the problems down there. Kidnappings for ransom in Phoenix is the highest in the nation. Napolitano is Pro-amnesty.
As HHS, she has now STOPPED border fence construction. They are spilling over the borders today, and now a rancher's private land has been trespassed and the rancher himself killed.
Governor Jan Brewer has basically said "ENOUGH!"
NOW..............only NOW is Obama getting involved, because his future voter supply is being threatened with being shut off. He says, "This is FEDERAL jurisdiction."
But the FEDS have done NOTHING. LEGAL CITIZENS are being kidnapped and now KILLED. What was Gov. Brewer SUPPOSED to do? Wait for THIS administration to do something? They'd be under an all-out INVASION by then!
Oh, he's involved NOW isn't he! Can't have these illegals stopped and questioned now, can he? He needs their allegience in 2012. That's the only reason he's involved now. He has a personal stake in this.
Nearly a year and a half in office, and only NOW does he jump up in earnest on illegal immigration, and when he finally DOES, he attacks AMERICANS defending their lives and homes.
How does a "moron" like myself see through this guy, and the lefties DON'T (WON'T)? You guys live in this country TOO, and if Brewer doesn't win this one, NO state will be safe. It won't stop in Phoenix.
Arizona today, Idaho tomorrow. Always best to stop ANY "cancer" in the early stages.
Non-related-----------SEC busted at every level for watching porn on our tax dollars. Anybody get fired? Nope. Administration's answer?------put together yet ANOTHER government agency to WATCHDOG the SEC! (You don't mind, it'll only be a couple of billion MORE. It's only paper. You'll never miss it).
Open question to the "left"------------when is enough, ENOUGH? How much more has to be destroyed before you guys join with our side in getting RID of the BUMS.......and YES, on BOTH sides of the aisle?
What's it gonna take? Total bankruptcy? Another 9/11?............WHAT??
OK OUTTATHERE...........watch the "raspberry response."
http://www.federaltimes.com/article/2010...
Since the Federal government has taken the necessary legislative action to get the virtual fence on line, it seems the Federal government is fulfilling their responsiblities as set forth in Article IV, Section 4, to include "...;and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence." Since the Federal government is fulfilling it's Constitutional duty through Article IV, Section 4, it seems to me any argument calling forth the Xth Amendment is negated.
Since we're all for fiscal responsibility, can we agree that it's a good idea for those responsible take a step back and reevaluate this project?
One of the usual complaints of the Right is that this regime is practicing a socialist totalitarian style and that we will be living in 1950's Russia soon. But what is even better is that most conservatives have no issue with this law in Arizona that has generated so much debate. They are ok with giving the government this much control but want their hands out of other pies. This sounds like a rationalization of one's prejudices.
The U.S. and States have a right to protect their own borders. Simple. Why would we object to making foreigners follow the law. Why would we object to forcing them to leave our country if they broke the law? They steal from our system of education, healthcare, welfare, you name it,because they are illegal and have no right to those systems. Wouldn't one object to another person coming into their home (squatter)and taking it over while the owner is on vaction and unable to watch it? The illegals have broken the lawful boundaries.
I believe in protecting your own, no one has the right to cross the line illegally and basically use and steal what others have worked for.
I wouldn't want anyone coming in and taking over my home, and I surely don't want them coming into my State and country and taking it over either.
I don't understand why this has ever become such an issue. Your break the law you pay. Simple, the immigration law is broken, stop the entrance, send them back.
The right clamor about the totalitarian regime and that each person has inalienable rights. Freedom from the prying eyes and hands of government is a primary tenet. Oh.. but they will relax that one when it comes to Hispanics and suspected illegals. The government can intrude into their lives but not ours. That is the contradiction.
They are paranoid about external invasion or infiltration but yet have no issue when the U.S. muscles their way into other countries largely for our benefit. Iran/Iraq/North Korea are to be left out of this commentary. It is to say that they are ok with government intervention just as long as they are not involved. Destroy their lives just as long as I am not affected.
I think this new law in Arizona is going to intrude on US citizens walking down a street.
My husband is Indian, in the summer he gets a very dark tan. If he goes into paul's he gets stopped by Hispanic's asking him in spanish where this & that is. He doesn't speak or understand Spanish....
Get my point?
I am all for getting rid of illegal's especially the criminal ones. I am for giving good people who come here a chance.
I don't think this is going about it the right way...
A light skinned man is walking down the street. He is a legal, law-abiding, tax-paying citizen. But he is suspected of being a child molester. With no probable cause, he is detained, beaten, and his civil rights violated. If there was a law justifying this, the Right wing would rise up in uproar. Their mouths would not quit nor would their keyboards get a rest.
Now, lets say that a Hispanic, law-abiding, tax-paying guy is walking down the street. He is a suspected illegal alien. He is harassed and so on. I dont see the Right lifting a finger in protest. That is justified.
I dont support unlimited immigration and so on. I agree with most on the Right but I find that their arguments dont hold water. They are porous and show their ingrained prejudices more than they show any logical construct. Condemning government intervention on every front but this seems a bit suspect.
MsMarylin,
I can sympathize with your husbands condition. Perhaps he should tell them, "If you need to know where this or that is, go ask the white guy."
Et al, Calling an illegal immigrant an undocumented worker is like calling an illegal drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist. Rules and regulations matter...they are not merely suggestions. What the border states are wrestling with are legal rules that the Feds refuse to enforce...not only that; but, the states are often prohibited from enforcing those same rules by the folks who made them.
MsMaryin, you must have moved here from California. As far as getting stopped without your ID (Drivers License) you can be detained and even arrested if operating a motor vehicle with it on your person. The police don't do this because they have better things to do, they would rather give you a ticket where you have to show proof within a certain amount of time or a warrant will be issued.
As for your husband being asked questions in Spanish one would find a simple solution. LEARN TO SPEECK ENGLISH, when I lived in Germany I learned some German, when I when to Turkey I learned some Turkish and I was only a guest for a short time. How about speaking the accepted language, all he has to do is look at them and say "NO ABLA"
Oh my god, Ted's back, and once again he's written another manifesto...you promised me Ted that you wouldn't come back, but now that I think of it, I kinda miss ya and your blogs that seem to make no sense at all.
Ted, I didn't quite know what your talking about when you said in your recent manifesto about quote "I really don't have anything more to say, that isn't gonna be said 203 days from now, or less." Do I need to inform the authorites Ted?
Lastly, I am hurt that you don't know where I got the name Ted..."Ted?"..............couldn't tell you. Don't care, and coming from Dumb, it's of no importance anyway.
Here is a clue "Theodore John Kaczynski" Industrial Society and Its Future (also called the "Unabomber Manifesto")
Get it now, Bazookaman...unabomber...get it? Your endless wordy mini manifesto's you write that make no sense and go one and on and on..get it?
Welcome back Ted...I've missed ya, let the games begin again...yep hee!
OUTTATHERE...............hey buddy, did I call that one or WHAT! Here they come!
You know.......when the Feds don't do their friggin' jobs, and OBJECT when the PEOPLE do it FOR them, it's not difficult to see whose side they're on.
And you lefties out there..........you wail out and insult, but I hear no IDEAS coming from YOU.
If in charge (God help us because they ARE at the moment), what would YOU guys do? Just open the flood gates and let 'em ALL in? No matter what country they originated from? No matter what their intentions?
Just let 'em all in------------come one, come all.
The "lemon lime crowd" is forever accusing the right of being unwilling to comprimise. This Arizona law IS a comprimise. Were it up to ME, I'd line the entire border with Marines and give 'em a "blank check."
If you're not going to be Amercians, you guys need to leave.
PS to DUMB..........if I'm gonna be this "TED" character, I'll have to think of one for YOU. Thought about "Adolph", but that would be giving you too much credit.
I even stopped comparing your "Annointed One' to Hitler some time ago. Hitler was at least PROUD of HIS country, and he DID put people back to work.
And Dave.........on Article IV, Section IV, have you SEEN this "fence" they're building? Anybody can walk under it or through it. Your government isn't "fulfilling" ANYTHING.
If they can surround a guy at Ruby Ridge with 400 troops, APC's and helicopters, and burn out an entire complex at WACO with everybody IN it, they can SURELY do SOMETHING on our OWN BORDERS for national security, besides build some over-priced rickety fence.
We're not ALL blind, Dave. Obama's in serious trouble at every poll. They're gonna need every vote they can muster. November's coming and 2012 not too far after that.
They don't WANT the border sealed!
The Arizonians DO, and it's THEIR state! Seems to me that we fought a WAR over States Rights once upon a time.
And once again, like in 1861, there are "government intrusion" issues, "over-taxation" issues, some states getting certain perks that others do not............
Slavery of course, isn't an issue this time, except that which comes with the socialism some of you out there seem to fancy. Why a few of you out there would still support this is beyond me.
But the government Dave.......and this goes back even before Obama...........has, for some time now, had higher priority on protecting eveyone else's freedom than it has on protecting our own.
If any of you out have never understood why the bulk of America's gun owners have stood so firm with the 2nd Amendment, and will NOT "comprimise", take a good hard look at 2010 America, and the rest of the world.
Finally, "Mr Dave".........you seem to cherish references........read the Declaration of Independence. If you don't have a personal copy, it's easy enough to find it online.
We all know and love to show our educational prowess by quoting from memory, selected parts of the 2nd paragraph.
But read on a little FURTHER.
READ IT..........THEN, a selected few of you come back on here and tell me what a "radical" I am. What sort of "Ted" I am supposed to be.
There is this law that everyone knows. It may go by other names. It may just be ingrained and not possess such titles. This is the law known to economics and all business types as "The Law of Diminishing Marginal Return". It means that there are points in time where the gain achieved from an action is no longer greater than its cost. I know that it will appear abstract and unrelated but just think a little. In the border dispute, there comes a point where the "gains" will be exceeded by cost. Now, again I know there are some who want unlimited time, energy, resources, and people used in this pursuit but good reasoning is not congenital.
If I was the decision maker, I would say do our best to make sure that only the legal ones get through. If they are willing to follow the rules, then fine. I love that the Right tries to appear logical but really their prejudice is what they are defending.
Twil,
"If I was the decision maker, I would say do our best to make sure that only the legal ones get through."
A little vague don't you think? what would that "best" be? There is the problem as I see it, a whole lot of "nu uh" and "thats not right" yet no answers or suggestions for REAL SOLUTIONS.. You harp away about the "right" because they are at least taking action, yet have no real solutions or even suggestions of your own. C'mon now.....
My point in the past three posts is not about pragmatism. It is to show the Right why their arguments dont hold water. I think they have the right idea but backing it up with faulty logic is not going to hack it up.
We debate with the intent to change or influence someone else. We want them to listen, interpret, and hopefully come to our side or be content with not responding any further. Trying to accomplish that task with lame, outdated, quasi-prejudicial reasoning is not going to "convert" naysayers. Am I clear enough?
I am deliberately vague because I know that the issue does not have a one-size-fits-all solution like some would think. Action-reaction, risk-reward, cause-effect. Obama or whoever leads the country is in a no-win situation with this one. No matter what they do, there will be yahoos like us bickering, complaining, whining, etc. Freedom of Speech also means that they guarantee the right to perpetual complaining.
I've read the Declaration of Independence.
Twice.
What now?
Orrrrrr
Take action however faulty one group or another feels it is, then work to a solution that best suits the situation... "perpetual complaining" with no action, solves nothing.
It is my assumption that the "Right" does not just type or talk to fill up time. I assume as well that they wish to spur on actions desirable to their cause. Being that they are not the only ones involved in the issue, they have to come up with a more compelling line of logic or argument. I guess this is a bit of coaching on my part. Telling those who complain that with their current reasoning they are going to look dumb.
Specifically, if they are going to complain about the present regime's supposedly tyrannical, absolutist ways but condone harassing suspected illegals. If individual rights are a guiding principle, this should not have exceptions.
Taking action just to do something rarely works. If the cost is high, one needs to have more in their arsenal than simple willingness to proceed. I am willing to travel to Brazil but does that mean that it is a wise decision.
I've read the Declaration of Independence.
Twice.
What now?
Regardless of the grievances addressed in The Declaration of Independence, it is not the law of the land.
We work through the foundation provided by the Constitution.
I'll agree with twilcox1978. We'll always be bickering, complaining, and whining. I'll bet there was plenty of bickering, complaining and whining (although more eloquent) when drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States were written. Neither of these documents enjoyed unanimous approval of their first drafts. It took a few years to persuade the States to ratify the Constitution.
Some of the men involved in the process of drafting those documents may have had a conniption or two over the language contained therein, storming out of discussions, vowing never to return until their concerns were addressed to their satisfaction, etc., but in the end, they created a system that they all felt was worth defending, whether or not they all agreed with all of the articles, clauses or phrases.
Not long ago, Obama said "We can't just sit back and do nothing."
Why does that statement apply to his healthcare scheme, but NOT to our national security?
This administration sent in SEIU Union goons to break up townhall meetings, but has never responded to Arizona's border situation until now. They go after AMERICANS but not illegals.
Law-abiding American citizens-------------bad
Alien LAWBREAKERS-------------------------ok
"We work through the foundation provided by the Constitution." Where?
Congressional lockouts, government takeovers, taxation without representation, MANDATES & THREATS, backdoor bribes for votes, and voter fraud itself..........isn't the "law of the land" either.
And if we're all supposedly "equal", every rule and law that applies to US, should apply to THEM as well, should it not?
Bazooka,
You bring up some good points. Only talking about the border issue, there has to be a middle ground between a 2000 or so mile long wall and what is going on now. We have debated this before so I wont rehash it. Arizona is begging for law suits. That is not right but you have to admit that its inevitable.
Who employs the illegals in Arizona? What does immigration do to the businesses that hire them?
Guess hurting someone's feelings by asking them for their driver's license if they are doing something suspicious is worse than murder, drug dealing, human smuggling, and other crimes. Oh lets not forget the first crime entering America illegally. The Arizona government is just trying to protect the law abiding citizens of their state a job the federal government has failed to do for the last 20 years or so. This is not a right/left thing it is a common scene thing.
Hey, Bazooka "Ted" just a question for you. When you blog, are you sitting on the throne with a laptop? That's the only reason I can see for the length of your blogs/novels of senseless, uneducated crap. Before you blog, why don't you get out into the real world and stop living in never-never land.
Absolutely, Twil, you KNOW the lawsuits are coming. The American Criminal Liberties Union is involved, Al Sharpton's on HIS way down there with a few busloads of demonstrators to try to protect Obama's "voters-to-be."
Doesn't matter that they're here ILLEGALLY! Doesn't matter if they BREAK OUR LAWS BY BEING HERE..........as long as it's in Obama's favor.
Sharpton's a lying hypocrite.....he's not going down there to try to help assure any "civil rights" or "brotherly love" He's there for 2012, if he can be of any help. Anybody who thinks differently about THIS one, is smoking those funny cigarettes.
Like "healthcare", this isn't about what the American citizens want, what's legal, or even what's right. This is PURE political future planning.
MsMarylin, those who HIRE illegals should be fined out of existence, and/or jailed for treason. But don't look for anything like that to happen anytime soon, because you must remember who all of these watchdog agencies work for.
This government doesn't fire SEC porn watchers......they just create MORE government to watch the SEC. And they're gonna grant amnesty for all 13 million illegals just as soon as the "community-organizer" can bond with Prince Harry/Princess Nancy and their band of public back-stabbers.
If the Republicans can manage to block it---------no big deal. They'll just back-door something again, twist a few arms, bribe a few holdouts, slip it under the door and sneak it through.
Give this country away............YES WE CAN!
So why haven't the businesses been given a hefty fine when Undoctumented workers are employed by them? I am sure immigration down there in Arizona know where to look to for the illegals. So why haven't they been deporting them?
Bazookaman you know as well as I do that this problem with illegals have been going on long before Obama was even known. Stop tooting your horn that it's all Obama's fault. Write something more current and refreshing instead of the same old stuff over and over again, its almost as if you are trying to brainwash those that don't agree with you. Get over it and move on !
I never said the illegals were Obama's fault. I said that Obama is NOT going to try to stop it, because unlike Bush before him, Obama has REASON to NOT make any moves to stop them.
George Bush was one of the sorriest presidents we ever had. Instead of these past 8 years of "boots on the ground" over there in the wrong country, he SHOULD have slammed Bin Laden in AFGHANISTAN with nukes and been done with it.
THEN, he should have lined OUR borders with troops and invoked the same diplomacy so many OTHER countries do. Sneak over the border and get SHOT.
But since Obama has chosen to do nothing either, even after FIVE letters from Jan Brewer, and now that OUR people are being invaded and killed, the Governor was CORRECT in doing what she did.
I'm not hammering on Obama for the problem, but since the Feds have ignored PLEAS for help, they need to STAY OUT of it now and let Arizona handle it...........If you're not going to help, then at LEAST don't HINDER.
It is my personal contention (and I'm definitely not alone here), that Obama is only stepping in now, to try to hurry the Democrat's "amnesty" goal, thus turning LAW-BREAKERS into "grateful" new voters who will return the favor come re-election time. What other reason could he have?-----------and THAT should be billed as "aiding and abetting a crime.
Why hasn't Immigration been deporting them? You'll have to ask Napolitano about that one. Up until now, Sheriff Joe Arpiao has been the only one rounding any of them up, and has caught endless flak from the Democrat Mayor of Phoenix to Geraldo Rivera.
Also, the procedure in this new bill is basically to check for I.D. during routine traffic stops and such. Tail-light out, running a redlight, etc.............as they would with ANY of us. You know, driver's license, registration, proof of insurance, etc.
But naturally, the good old "race card" is being played......"We're just profiling the Mexicans." Well..............who ELSE is sneaking over, Norwegians and British?
To some, this is a wrong thing to do. Well, how wrong is it for YOU and I to have to pay for all THEIR hospital care, welfare, food stamps, etc, when they aren't even legal citizes? Is our economy so good now, that we can just support EVERYBODY?
And yes, except for the American Indians, we ALL are immigrants in our backgrounds, (You hear that a lot). But our ancestors didn't come here to live off everybody else, and keep popping out more kids to enhance that.
Now, a lot of them DO come here to "do the work most of us would not." and that's fine.......those who come to work and be citizens, come on ahead, but do it the RIGHT way, and start paying INTO the system before you start drawing FROM it.
And wouldn't we ALL feel a little safer if we KNEW that every dark-skinned immigrant crossing the border WAS-IN-FACT a Mexican migrant, and not a potential terrorist with more in his backpack than a toothbrush and change of socks?
And we don't know that.
We also need to stop the drug traffic to whatever extent we can.
But the bottom line.........and an un-debatable one as far as I'm concerned...........it's ILLEGAL for them to BE here.
If I break into somebody's warehouse and get caught, I go to jail. So do you. Without the proper pass, they're NOT supposed to BE here.
Period. It's AGAINST the LAW! I don't know what part of that Sharpton doesn't understand!
Barack Obama has played more rounds of golf so far, than Bush did in his entire 8 years. If he has THAT much time on his hands, and can spend more time in "campaign mode" than behind his desk, then he should have well been able to at least respond to ONE of the five letters from Arizona asking for help.
As I said a few minutes ago, if you won't help OUR side-------don't be helping THEIRS..................ESPECIALLY when it's against the LAW to begin with.
Maybe if immigration was dealt with a long time ago Sharpton wouldn't be sticking his nose in. Do you think that there never was any one pleading with help on illegals until Obama came into office. Wrong !! They didn't just start asking for help.
If they don't have a green card they should be gone and this problem should of been addressed years ago.
Sharpton shouldn't be sticking his nose into this anyway.
For the record.........."a long time ago", OUR citizens weren't being kidnapped and killed. Something has GOT to be done now.
CORRECT! "If they don't have a green card, they should be GONE!"
They're working on that right now. Hey, better now than never. It was illegal back THEN..........it's still illegal today, and now, the citizens have decided to ENFORCE it, since our government (even before Obama) have NOT.
Nobody's blaming Obama for this. But when a law is finally BEING enforced, the politicians have no right to interfere. I hope they lock Sharpton UP down there for interference with law enforcement. I ESPECIALLY hope they grab him right there in Maricopa County. "Sheriff Joe" would LOVE to get HIM!
As we speak, Phoenix is the #1 kidnapping capitol in the country.......#2 in the world behind Bogata.
They are NOT breaking any laws by ENFORCING them. Obama & company have no business interfering----unless they're gonna HELP enforce them.
Ain't gonna happen. GO ARIZONA!
MsMarylin,
So what your saying is that you agree with bazooka, but you just dont like him so you will argue anyways? no acronym for this one... LAUGHING OUT LOUD!
Democrats and Amnesty?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1118...
cantjustwatch
What I was saying is we have had this problem long before Obama and it did and still does need to be dealt with. HOWEVER I think what Jan Brewer did, is going about it the wrong way !
I think I got this right>>> one Ranch owner was killed by an illegal immigrant and that's why Jan Brewer did what she did. It ain't going to fly, heck there's even some Republicants that are against it, but then their against every thing, including trying to regulate wall street so we don't have banks collapsing again
Heck we got more being killed on the streets in Chicago everyday where it has escalated to the point where they are wanting to bring in the National Guard to protect the city.
There is no quick answer
Republicans against financial reform?
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2010/0...
MsMarylin,
Your facts are hilarious, One rancher being killed. What if that was your father or brother? What about the murders, rapes, drug trafficking, kidnappings, robberies, muggings, and other crimes not to mention that they invaded a sovereign nation and are here illegally that you don't hear about. As for Chicago; isn't that the city the great obama is from. Just to give you a vision of what he has planned for America look at Chicago. Glad I voted for the other guy at least I have the right to complain.
Retirementcanbefun
Your reading something I'm not........ I don't think anyone being killed is HILARIOUS my how you take my words and turn them around. My point>> if you can understand English was Jan Brewer wrote into law this new Immigration law because of one person (the rancher) being killed
And by the way I have been touched by violence, my sister in law killed by a teenager and my brothers little boy being shot from a gun that wasn't locked up.
You must be another RepubliCAN"T who seems to be over looking the fact that what Ms Arizona (Jan Brewer) did for Arizona is more like being a Nazi then Obama wanting to give Amnesty
They are here ILLEGALLY and the law is finally being enforced.
What parts of "against the law", and "enforcement" are not being understood here?
The part where a legal citizen gets stopped and questioned because of the color of his skin !
Do a little homework. "questioning" is to be done in CONJUNCTION with standard police encounters..............traffic stops, 911 domestic calls, street fights........etc.
Wherever the cops would NORMALLY get involved, if they THEN had a reason...........ie: someone "jackrabbiting" on foot after a pullover, people in the car NOT able to speak English, etc.
In the law itself, NO one is to be pulled over by "skin color". I used to live in Apache Junction-------------everybody DOWN there is tanned! They'd be stopping EVERYBODY!
I'm dark-complected MYSELF. I'm also a proud American and it wouldn't bother me a BIT to prove it. I don't have anything to HIDE.
And MsMarylin..........no matter what the "reasoning" is from the left........it is still AGAINST THE LAW to be here illegally. There is no gray area here..........they've got a green card or they haven't.
Arizona was also very careful about how this law was worded. They KNEW this threatens Obama politically. They KNEW Holder, the ACLU and the rest of the left would immediately cry about it, so this was drafted right alongside the wording of the FEDERAL law as well.
Holder's gonna find out very quickly that the Arizona law reads the same as HIS FEDERAL law doea. He doesn't have an argument.
The only difference, is that NOW it's being enforced.
Jan Brewer is involved because of the drug traffic, the kidnappings, gangs and murders. Obama/Holder are involved because of the potential loss of votes.
Still.............in the end, THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, and someone is FINALLY doing something about it. No one's "rights' are being intruded upon here. If you're here against the law, you HAVE no rights.
In a lot of OTHER countries, you'd be SHOT and left out there to rot.
Did you hear Napolitano yesterday?..........."Our borders are as secure as they've ever been."
Brilliant............and all the MORE reason this crap needs to be dealt with.
Sorry MsMarylin, I know in your heart of hearts you seek "common ground" here. But there is none.
IT IS AGAINST THE LAW............BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE.............TO BE HERE ILLEGALLY.
It is ILLEGAL to be here undocumented.
It is NOT illegal for the police to question you.
Holder and Sharpton can sit in the pit and pound sand.
Obviously from what I have seen on the News there are many other people besides me who think it is wrong. Oh and at first McCain was all for it but now that its getting some heat wishy washy McCain is starting to change his feeling about it.
I do agree that if your here illegally then you should be deported, however it's not just the illegal's in this country who are murderer's, rapist, drug dealers, kidnappers, child molesters. Maybe Arizona could pass another law if you look like any of the above you should be deported too.
PS...........McCain has ALWAYS been wishy-washy, but he is a RINO, which is why he never got the total right-side support he had hoped for during the election. True Republicans don't trust him.
JD Hayworth is a good man. I remember him well. and hope he UNSEATS McCain in the GOP primary down there.
What I don't understand is why aren't they doing anything to the business owners who hire the illegals. I bet we have some right here in Mtn Home.
Very true, rapists, murderers and drug dealers come in ALL colors and ethnic backgrounds. But THEY shouldn't be deported. They should be SHOT. Immediately, so our tax dollars wouldn't be supporting them...........and to let the REST of the bad guys on the street know that we aren't going to tolerate THEM anymore either!
If it were up to me, we'd deport the liberals right along with the illegals, along with any REPUBLICAN who doesn't adhere to our Constitution he too swore to uphold. I would also toss out the communist-based ACLU and the U.N.
Like you, Marylin, I have my pet grievences, and along with so many of my fellow veterans, I TOO have left some blood in foreign trenches, and I take it VERY PERSONALLY when I see my OWN country being bargained away...........if you've ever wondered why I get so passionate about some of this stuff in my posts, that's one of the main reasons.
Since the days of George Washington, too much has been given, by too many for too long, to just let people come in here and do what they want.
Oh.........they DEFINITELY need to hang the busnissmen who HIRE them.
Guarenteed!---------------we've got some of them right here in Mountain Home!
Incidently, Utah is coming up with some laws of THEIR own now as well. I think I'm gonna try to contact Crapo about doing the same. Otter might be a waste of time, but I'll send HIM something too.
Well bazookaman That's another thing I don't understand is why they didn't try other ways instead of writing into law the immigration enforcement which is going to cause more problems within the state of Arizona more then what they already have.
I understand your passion for our country I come from a Military family and my ex husband went to Viet Nam my present Husband of 30 years went to Viet Nam 3 times. My husband was shot but he was shot in a country that they kept a secret we were in. They now have revealed we were there but all records were destroyed, which I am not buying
I agree, this is not a new problem. It has been going on for years, talked about and ignored. But, it is better that something is being done now. Better late than never.
The U.S. and States have a right to protect their own borders. Simple. Why would we object to making foreigners follow the law. Why would we object to forcing them to leave our country if they broke the law?
I don't understand why this has ever become such an issue. Your break the law you pay. Simple, the immigration law is broken, stop the entrance, send them back.
MsMaryln,
I speak English pretty well thank you, and I don't believe I should have to press 1 to talk to someone in English in America.
As for the rancher your comments do reflex the idea that the Governor of Arizona signed it for his murder alone. Ever hear of the term "the straw that broke the camel's back"?
As for my party affiliation I'm an Independent that believes you should not spend more than you have. You should not be on unemployment for 2 years, you should be required to work 8 hours a day picking up trash on the roads, mowing community parks, or working on a state project that is hot and boring 8 hours a day with the equivalent of minimal wage. This would give people a reason to get off welfare. They should go back to the old food stamps just make them bigger, no more debit card they need to put some embarrassment behind receiving this handout.
Your comparison about hitler is a little off. Hitler started by gathering everyone's hopes by giving entitlements, healthcare, and grew his government base. Then he outlawed firearms so people couldn't fight back, all the time telling them he has their best interest at heart. That's when he struck and started taking out any opposition. Who want bigger government, wants control of the financial markets, and is trying to get a majority support by giving free things to lazy people. Sounds like obama to me. This should scare you not a state trying to protect its citizens. Oh by the way don't go to the base they might ask you for your ID and even search your vehicle. OH NO
My question is, what is one to do with police that take their job too far. Given new power, some are going to harass as many as possible. We can pretend that they will obey the law with minimal damage but cops are GENERALLY alpha males who like control. From what i have read, all they can is stop them and ask for ID and so on. I am not quite so trusting. 99% of cops and other law enforcement personnel are fine individuals but I could see some taking their new found power too far.
Twil "Paranoid much", you have that 1% in every job. If they take it to far there are avenues to deal with it as there has always been. Believe me our officer's get a lot of training, they have to qualify every year; they have "use of force tests", "fire arm qualifications", and other tests and required courses they must do annually. There has been a small number of less than stellar cops right here in Mountain Home. If I recall correctly one of them is service a pretty long jail/prison sentence right now for messing with 14 and 15 year olds. You start off saying every cop will do this all the time but correct yourself by saying 99% are good. That 1% will be very busy running around harassing people. Having an ID is easy and I have no problem showing it to the bank, gate, Doctor, Costco, anyone that needs ID to prove I am who I am. You're not a cop I take it but stop me anytime on the street and ask for my ID, I will be more than happy to show you at least two or three.
"If they take it to (sic) far there are avenues to deal with it as there has always been."
There has always been a avenue to deal with illegal entrants.
http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=...
99% is a pretty good figure when you're dealing with an estimated 450,000 illegals in the Phoneix area alone.
MsMarylin, I think they HAD to align the state law to mirror the federal law. I mean, if you're ERIC HOLDER, how can you fight something that is basically your own law? That was not only the RIGHT thing to do, but the SMART thing to do as well.
Additionally, if we HAMMERED those who EMPLOY illegals, the jobs will dry up, except to those who ARE documented. Take away the bird feeder and they stop flying in to nest.
Your husband being shot in a "secret country" is sadly, not a new tactic by our government. This way, our government denies any involvement, and the records mysteriously vanish. No, they aren't hiding anything from you, those records WERE/ARE shredded and burned.
It's a dirty thing to do, and a key reason why politicians should NEVER be allowed to run a war. THEY aren't the ones who have to fight it.
Bush invaded the wrong country after 911, Obama suggested making our returning vets pay for their OWN WOUNDS. Murtha had 8 Marines court-martialled for doing their jobs, and they are STILL after a navy SEAL for punching a terrorist-----and THESE are the guys who BEHEAD OUR troops.
They fly planes into skyscrapers and Holder wants them to have the same rights YOU are entitled to, and the ACLU is right there with him.
No, Arizona doesn't need any "assistance" from the government!
Wow, how low people for anarchy and crime get when they don't have facts. One person actually went out and created another account with a similar login as mine to confuse people. They don't have facts so they resort to distortion and lies. They also call it "illegal entrants" sounds like someone came in the out lane. They are trying to trivialize the US constitution and law and order by calling things more PC or calling people names and resorting to deception.
May I share a few comments that are proving TRUE today........comments from MY favorite president:
"Heaven help us if government ever gets into the business of protecting us from ourselves. The more government we can keep at local levels in local hands, the better off we are and the more freedom we will have."
"To be more responsive to the people, we must have enough government to carry out all of government's legitimate responsibilities, but not one bit more."
"Government does not solve problems, it subsidizes them"
"When an individual or a business has a lean year, they have to prune expenses and work for better days. When government has a deficit, it expects to solve that deficit by handing you a higher tax bill."
"Our constitution is a document that protects the people from government."
"We must give law enforcement the tools it needs, if our people are to enjoy again the right to live and work and play in safety."
"Individual liberty depends upon keeping government under control."
"The dust-bin of history is littered with the remains of those countries which relied on diplomacy to secure their freedom."
"Government does not produce revenue. It comsumes it."
"The most terrifying 9 words in the English language: We're from the government and we're here to help!"
"Government is not the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem."
"I had an uncle here in Chicago who won a medal once for never having missed voting in an election for 15 years...........and he had been dead for fourteen."
"Freedom is indivisible. There is no "s" on the end of it. You cannot divide it and choose to keep "some freedoms" while giving up others."
"No country in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached one third of its citizens' earnings."
.................Ronald Reagan
Retirementcanbefun.............I read that littlr subterfuge. It was obvious a democrat who did that. Just like the ones who had planned to infiltrate the tea parties and sling racial slurs, so as to make the public think that's the real PURPOSE behind them.
No...........some of these scumbags will stoop to anything. Just like the way they slid the Obamacare bill under the door.........if they can't be "above the table", they'll go under it.
And so many of them can't understand why we're so "mean-spirited" toward their party. You just witnessed a classic example.
Saw a bumper sticker the other day that said, "We'll give your president the same respect you gave ours." I wonder if there'll be a "Countdown Calendar" for OBAMA'S last year...............probably not.
.......THAT would be "racist"...........Bush's calendar was ok..........
Liberty is not possible without some overarching influence to keep people's short term self-centered mindsets in line. Now how much government or enforcement does a society need? There is no magical number. The various armchair experts get on here and profess their knowledge. But really they know just as little as everyone else.
You give Reagan a ton of credit. Do a little research on our dealings with Latin America and one may think different. The U.S. has routinely overstepped its bounds. Monroe Doctrine is just a way to justify our imperialist ways. Reagan along with all of the others before him simply backed up that statement.
You BET I give Reagan a "ton" of credit.........and so did a "ton of YOUR people as well.
44 states to 6 in 1980
49 to 1 in his re-election bid in 1984
FORTY-NINE to ONE.............AFTER his first 4 years...........where a president never does as well, after the "other side" has had time to scrutinize him.
Americans were proud to BE Americans, people were working, the economy was up, and nobody dared to use our flag for a doormat.
The government wasn't trying to run our friggin' lives, and "Mr. Gorbechev' was getting ready to "tear down that wall"
What are we saying today?.........."Mr Putin, how NEXT can we kiss your butt, while we STRIP our allies of missile support, and cut back on our OWN arsenal.............oh, and would you please help us to sanction Iran?
Reagan was strong. And so was this country.
49 to 1 Twil...........check it out............even YOUR side had no major issues with "Uncle Ronnie". Those numbers didn't come by accident.
Incidently.............and you can check this one too............California was running in the BLACK when he was governor. Where are they now?
I guess a better way of saying this is that the U.S. has acted like a petulant baby. When we dont get favorable trade relations with these countries, we throw our fists on the table, sag the lip, cry a little, and then get mad. Mad being where we sink their economies or intervene with guns and boats. If a grown man acted like this (like Dirk Kempthorne), we would laugh at him. Oh but since this egocentric ways benefit us, we will applaud someone who continues the trend. No wonder the world despises us.
I know that someone is going to come on here about Pearl Harbor but that is not the topic. Those are two totally different circumstances. It may help you feel more adequate or whatever but thats not the issue.
Ok.........ONE "naughty-naughty" in EIGHT years.
What POSITIVE things have been done by ANY president since?................and how do we stand in the world TODAY?
Let's see now..............since there hasn't been any GUTS in the White House SINCE Reagan..........(by EITHER party),
Iraq invaded Kuwait.
Sex scandals in the White House followed by impeachment.
Khadaffi has risen again.
Iran is starting crap again.
North Korea is threatening everybody.
Ragheads are flying airliners into skyscrapers.
We've got 2 wars going on that tactical nukes would have ended.
Putin is saying, "Mr Obama----TEAR DOWN THOSE EUROPEAN MISSILE SITES" (and some of your OWN, while you're at it).
Government is taking over everything they can.
We're on the brink of a second Civil War.
Yes Twil...........I DO give Ronald "peace through strength" Reagan a LOT of credit.
Oh, and did I mention that California-----------once in the BLACK-------is now bankrupt?
And the numbers say it better than I ever could..........when you take 49 of 50 states in the RE-election............ya gotta figure that even the LEFT didn't have any problems.
(no "hanging or swinging chads" THERE!)
I don't think you were old enough to remember the '84 election. I actually felt sorry for Mondale. It was the only election I can remember where there was virtually no mud-slinging. Walter had no ammunition. The Iran hostages had been freed, Khadaffi had been silenced. people had jobs, the economy was up--------AMERICAN respect in the world was WAY up!
We had solid allies, (led by England's Margaret Thatcher------she was tough too, like Reagan). Life was much better and everyone was proud to be Americans again. Mondale couldn't run on any kind of "change"-----------nobody WANTED change. It was one of those rare times in our history that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." He had nothing to say and the debates were boring. You couldn't even CALL them "debates."
Jimmy Carter had let our military fall by the wayside, cancelling necessary upgrades to support his social programs, bowed to the Russians in "SALT II", and appeased whoever he could. Reagan rebuilt them, and nobody screwed with us anymore------------until these past 4 administrations.
And Mr Gorbechev---------DID "tear down that wall."
Ronald Reagan wasn't perfect. Nobody is. But what you have only READ about, I have LIVED THROUGH. We have NOT had a LEADER in the White House since 1988, and there is no reason to believe we are going to, unless there's a real surprise somewhere in 2012.
I just love to tear down hero worship and over the top propaganda. I was alive at that time so get off your high horse. And yes I was coherent as well.
Overall, I brought up Colombia because I began to feel ever so naive and stupid. Prior to this, I thought that the U.S. had always been a relatively good partner and that their wacky, primitive, corrupt governments were the cause to their problems. In talking to actual citizens (Yes, I can carry on a conversation in Spanish), reading various sources, and so on the U.S. has been largely a bunch of dirtbags. If it helps you feel more patriotic to know that we helped tyrannical (non-democratic) regimes come to power, then get on it.
These countries were trying to emulate our fight for freedom and what do we do? Oh, thats right we support the group that will benefit us the most. This group makes no qualms about its autocratic, cruel, monopolistic ways. So these well-intentioned rebels in Latin America have not only the iron fist of their own state but now have the U.S. to fight. Its a no-win situation. So the result is that these autocratic regimes stay in power, milk the peasants, and let the U.S. have controlling interests in alot of their profitable enterprises. Oh.. but again we represent freedom. It is no wonder that they despise us. Without our meddling, these well-intentioned rebels would be able to do the right thing. They would get their chance at democracy and improving their way of life. Oh... but that means that the U.S. would not get favored status and we would no longer be the real power behind it. Its all in the name of freedom, right. Well, I call it meaning egotistical. Reagan simply carried on a long legacy of ignorance and hypocrisy.
Oh, I'll give you that much...........our government DOES have a long standing habit of sticking its nose in where it doesn't belong, and we haven't lost any military personnel for OUR country since World war II.
I wonder though, if we should apologize to some of these countries for "interfering" and ridding them of tyrants? We bailed the French out TWICE from the Germans, and they spit on us today.
Well, if their citizens say we're a bunch of dirtbags, they shouldn't be up here associating with us, eh?
As a retired veteran though, I have honestly ALWAYS felt that we should never have bases overseas. Let the rest of this world take care of itself.
I'm with YOU on that one, Twil. We need to NOT interact with other countries at all.........and we should keep our money and foreign aid HERE as well. We no longer risk OUR troops to help THEM be liberated of dictators. They can take care of their OWN earthquakes and other disasters.
That's fair.............nobody ever helps US. The only reason China is "buying our debt" is so they can "own" us later.
Say what you will, but Obama makes more wrong decisions in a month than Reagan ever did in his whole 2 terms, and HE didn't have half this country ready to REVOLT on HIM!
If governments were just to say that we are going to play imperialist bad guy, then I guess I would have to accept it. I am critical of our propaganda that says that we are pro-freedom. The reality is that our govts. are egocentric. Its the U.S. that backed most of the cruel despotic dictators of the last 50 years. Augustin Pinochet's terrible regime was paved by U.S. trained forces and plenty of aid from the U.S. So what this says is that we will do all that we can to avoid communist regimes even if the lives of the majority are made miserable. Sacrifice the majority for the benefit of the few. That sounds rather anti-American. We are about equal opportunity not government-sponsored oppression.
All in the name of not wanting communist governments sprouting up in our backyard. Well, again if you jack squat about those various countries one would know communism did not have not much of a chance there. Fringe groups will always exist but most citizens in the various nations were after having a U.S. style democracy not a Communist regime. This is referring to the period of 1850 to 1970, just so it makes some sense.
What would work better than an apology is to simple remove ourselves entirely from their affairs and move on. That is what they want so why not give it to them. Our playing God to the world is expensive, costs lives, and simply makes relations worse.
We have debated it before but Obama should have the balls to simply pull out of Iraq completely and leave them be. As for Afghanistan, I would say that we should pull out completely or close to it. Our presence is not going to change them. Their hatred of the West goes back a long ways. It is justified in some sense. I know that every one would rip him down one side and up the other but Obama should not follow the past. It would not be weak to disassociate ourselves from them. In fact, it would take great courage to break from the past and not try to impose our supposed superiority over them. This is not our burden.
Agreed. Get out and STAY out of foreign affairs.
Now the other half..........where do you stand on the illegals? Reward them by giving them amnesty and citizenship........or deport them and SEAL our borders, whereas they have to come in the RIGHT way?
Hey Bouncer....ya out there? Check your EMail. This is REFRESHING!
In a perfect world, I would say make them all do it the right way. In this utopia, all who entered the U.S. would have to have citizenship, apply for citizenship, or be on some sort of temporary visa. On our end, they would pay taxes and have to abide by the same laws, customs, and limitations as everyone else.
The issue is that to make this utopia happen could extremely costly. More so than the cost of maintaining the current system. I am not sure how we could tighten the borders and not have the costs skyrocket. As for how to "punish" those who circumvent the law, it would be refreshing for the Mexican govt. to step in and deal with their own. A bit of a delusion but oh well.
Would green card holders be ok in your utopia Twil? Those folks don't really fall under your temporary visa category although they do have to renew them every ten years.
I brought my wife over here the right way. It's extremely labor intensive and expensive, but definitely worth it and think it works just fine...if people use it. It took about one year for her to get her fiancee visa and actually enter the US. There was mounds of paperwork and appointments/interviews at the US Embassy etc...and the fees cost well over $2K altogether. We're still not done....this December we have to remove the conditions on her permanent residency status. Her first green card was only good for 2 years. I guess they use it as a trial period...
Once again well worth the process. Up in the air is whether or not she'll apply for citizenship. That's a personal choice for her to make since it involves renouncing her previous country's government and ties. She can't do that until after being here for three years in the US anyway.
raisan11.........just for my education, the people who are screaming "profile" are saying that those who might not have any ID on them "on a given day" would be unfairly singled out.
But it is my understanding that if you've been issued a green card, you are REQUIRED to have it on you at all times.
True?
I would say that a green card would fall under the category of "having applied for citizenship". Those who attempt to do it the right way draw no wrath from me. I have many family members who have married into the clan and have had some trials and tribulations with the process. They were able to attain full citizenship in the end.
I should have wrote, "having applied for censorship" as the second option in my utopia. I admit to not being all that knowledgeable about the process and its pros/cons.
I have no problem with that either, Twil. The only thing I was getting to, was what the illegal side is saying................."well, you guys shouldn't be rousting us, because we aren't really illegal, we just might not have our card on us today."
Some other blogger was defending them by saying "well, I don't always have MY ID on me when I'm just out for a walk, either"...........etc.
I think it's a REQUIREMENT, and that's what I was asking raisan11, because HE would know for sure.
So if these guys are getting caught down there, NO cards and little-to-no-English, I don't think they're being "rousted" at all (as per Sharpton). They're being ENFORCED.
Twil, you mentioned that you thought it might be a skyrocketing cost to secure the borders. Don't you think HAVING them here illegally, steadily draining the economy on this "free ride" isn't MORE costly than booting them out and "locking the door?"
I will resist the urge to get on my high horse. I dont know how the cost of sealing the border compares versus the current arrangement. It would seem that both are very costly in terms of time, money, and resources.
To ME anyway, the "tie-breaker" would be national security, where you can't put a price on human lives..............bomb going off in a mall or on a school bus.
We really DO need to know who's coming IN these days.............or trying to. I don't think natioal security is something you can scale in dollars and sense.
There are PLENTY of pork programs that could easily be eliminated, to provide the extra money it might take. I mean REALLY...........when you look at all the CRAP projects the government BLOWS tax dollars on.....................
The safety of the America people is supposedly the first duty of the goverment. A REAL "commander-in-chief" takes care of the "NEED to do's" first. THEN............if there's anything left over..........the "want to do's."
Pelosi doesn't need an entire 757. Michelle doesn't need to shop in Paris. Congressmen don't need paid holidays to Copenhagen, the Carribean, etc...............but we DO need the borders sealed.
Priorities.
Public safety isn't about money. Besides potential terrorist crossings (and you can BET some are here already), this is also about drugs, gangs, kidnappings and now murder. This isn't just about people looking for work anymore.
Jan Brewer wrote 5 letters to Obama asking for help. Not ONE reply.
I'd have done the same thing SHE has now done (as a MINIMUM!) And when a state has to do the government's JOB for them.........then I say the government has no right to dictate anything now.
On the lighter side, Al Sharpton is about to stick HIS liberal nose into Phoenix with a couple of buses of protesters. And that could be a very GOOD thing.
Phoenix is in Maricopa Country. "Sheriff Joe's backyard". You get busted dow THERE for something....................
I wonder if Sharpton likes baloney? Or how he'd like pink underwear?
Bazooka,
Yes, you are required to carry it with you.
Twil,
There's a difference between holding a green card and applying for citizenship. You can have a greencard and just keep renewing it every ten years and never become a citizen.
Thanks for the info, raisan11.
And now there's a bomb in an SUV in New York.....................we need to KNOW who is coming IN here!
Oh well, I'm just a friggin' rightwing radical..............nobody listens to me..........
Green card, is an attempt to do it the right way. So I will conclude on that topic for now.
SUV. It kind of defies the stereotype that it was a white man. I know the comment that is coming forth but I would guess that one was guilty of jumping to the same conclusion.
Washington is actually CALLING it what it is..........an act of terrorism! Couldn't believe it.
They also reported some underground explosions that blew off 2 or 3 manhole covers-----------could have been gas back-pressure, but who knows.
This is NOT an "I told you so", but I DID predict over a year ago that if we DIDN'T close the borders, there wouldn't just be Mexicans who were coming across that southern line.
I was "gloom & doom" and "paranoid."
You don't know that the person responsible for the failure at Times Square used the southern border to illegally enter the U.S.
They HAVE tracked the suspect's recent contacts back to the "bad guys" though, and what REAL American-born citizen would do THAT?
This is Muslim-backed, guy. Every act of terrorism against us from Sirhan-Sirham to the present has been Muslim-backed.
And realistically, if YOU were a terrorist, where would YOU enter the U.S.----------------where it ISN'T being watched or enforced properly.
Doesn't matter anyway, I guess. if they DO catch the guy, Holder will coddle him and give him his Miranda rights.
We only go after the REAL criminals today......like Navy SEALS.................."right Eric?"
As I understood the reports I heard, the "bad guys" that were contacted were not South Of The Border Down Mexico Way.
Tim McVeigh was not a Muslim.
It's been a few years since I read the 9-11 Commission Final Report. None of the terrorists that were on board those flights that day entered the U.S. through Mexico.
You're right about him being "Mirandized". The report I heard stated the suspect is a naturalized American citizen. He's not a good American citizen. McVeigh was "Mirandized".
The Navy SEALs have elected to proceed to trial under the rules of the UCMJ. Since the incident took place in Iraq, Holder has got nothing to do with that trial right now, does he?
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/...
And a quote from this last link:
"The military had charged Petty Officer 1st Class Julio Huertas and Petty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe with dereliction of duty based on allegations that they failed to safeguard the prisoner. Huertas had also been charged with impeding an investigation by attempting to influence the testimony of another sailor. Both were found not guilty in courts martial last month".
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/03/navy...
Yes................and McVeigh was also EXECUTED. What are we dong with the 9/11 boys? Feeding them steak & shrimp, while the ACLU lawters try to make a case for them?
Huertas and Keefe WERE derelict in their duties. They should have SHOT the s.o.b.
You are going to have to provide better evidence and logic to prove to me that this guy got here by way of the Mexican border. That makes zero sense. Never has a terrorist taken that route and so why again would they choose the longer, more expensive, unnecessary route? Oh.. thats right, he can fly right over on a plane on a direct flight completely bypassing the Mexican border.
the point is that the possibility of terrorist attacks and the Mexican border are completely separate. If you think otherwise, then show me a terrorist attack executed by purely Hispanic/Latino men on American soil that was meant for the same purpose as that of this SUV or 911.
They arrested a man late last night in NYC for the bomb attack. He is a US citizen
Pakistan-born, naturalized citizen since 2009...I'm sure he had every intention of being a productive American citizen though. (?)
You have to show ID of SOME kind before you board a plane. You do NOT have to flash any ID to a gila monster as you walk into Arizona.
Might be the longer way around, but its also the "path of least resistance" when you DO get here. EASIEST way of NOT getting caught, and the desert isn't filled with video cameras like the airports are flooded with.
OK...........so THIS guy DIDN'T come in from Mexico. I'll concede this one, of course.
But as long as our borders REMAIN open.........ANYBODY from ANY COUNTRY, for WHATEVER purpose he has in mind, can just walk right on in here.
Can we agree on that? The borders need to be closed.
Pakistani guy aside. One reason that we should make better attempts at securing the border is use resources on these people. Yes, most of them work and probably work harder than alot of young Americans. There are some things that are done no matter the status of a person, their race, their age, whatever. It gets complicated but we could ease the burden on common resources.
The biggest problem with health reform is that they did not reform the health problem they reformed the insurance problem. I have health insurance but I still don't like to go to the doctor when I need to because it will still cost me to much. My employer and I both pay for my health care. I believe real health care reform is trying to control the cost of health care not fining people that cannot afford insurance.
This so called health reform gives people false hope that they can afford medical care. Even with health care insurance most of us can not afford to see a dentist, eye doctor, or general practitioner. God forbid is you actually need to have a stay at the hospital.
What?? You would dare to question the infinite wisdom of the "annointed one" and his "transparent" pack of jackals behind closed doors?
They know what's best for you better than YOU do. Don't believe that? Just ASK 'em!
The plan isn't good enough for THEM..........but it's good enough for US!
INTERESTING!!!!
I have just gone back and re-read many of these posts on this topic, the vigorous defenders of our federal governments ASSAULT on Arizona in response to their enacting a law to try to control the border situation.... I wonder what comments any of you have NOW???
Now that in the past couple months here in IDAHO ALONE two different Illegal Immigrants have been drunk and KILLED US CITIZENS, and in BOTH situations the ILLEGAL had been caught previously for DUI and gone right back out and done it again... Of course THAT information doesn't stay in the liberal media for long.....
Comments?
Testing testing 1, 2, 3 is this thing on?
And did you notice there is NO block for "comments" on the "News" portion of this website?
Bazooka,
Yes I did notice.... So much for "fair and balanced" reporting huh? looks like that controlled media that so many "comrades" swore would never happen!
The mainstream media lies, just like most of the politicians they endorse. But their days of "1-siding" the public are coming to an end. People aren't buying it anymore, and THAT is going to become VERY apparent by the time Tuesday night is over.
Just as they endorse the RINO Tim Corder (who WANTS the illegals here), the local paper would no more allow any public debate on this than the Statesman would. They've got "Obama's back."
If there is ever any real justice and patriotism restored in this country, the liberals would be booted OUT right along with the illegals.
It's a good thing for many, that I'm not the president.
I was very upset and sad over this horrible death of a young person. Even more angry that, once again it is an illegal. Of course, no all illegals are criminals but if the right method of entering our country was followed, then those that are criminals would be kept out. If not, the moment they break the law, they must be sent back! Instead, time after time, the illegal is arrested, given every benefit that should be reserved for American citizens, then given a slap on the arm and sent out to repeat another crime. I am just sick of this.