A Socialist-Communist Foundation

Typical, finely-honed research as always, Kim. I'm still not convinced he's an American-born citizen, though............which means nothing really, because that's only a "CONSTITUTIONAL" requirement. And we all know how much importance THAT has to these communists.

And they ARE. Kim, I would take this PAST "Socialist" FORCING people to have to do things against their will is more communist than socialist.

At any rate, you're right on the money, as always.

Now......we've just got to get RID of them..........ALL of them who turn their backs on their oath and country.

She stole most of it from Glenn Beck without giving him any props. I believe it was sometime this week that the Exact same topic and wording was used by Mr. Beck in another attempt to trick the new dumb while turning everyone against each other.

There are copy right laws......

and you dont think that citizens have been leaning this way for years? He is not this anomaly amidst the pure "democracy" of the past. The public has been leaning towards increased govt. intervention since 1929. Any attempt to deny this is ignorant.

McCarthyism

Definition

Mc·Car·thy·ism NOUN

1. public accusation of Communist sympathies: the practice of publicly accusing somebody, especially somebody in government or the media, of subversive or Communist activities or sympathies, especially without real evidence to substantiate this

2. unfair accusation or investigation of people: the practice of using unsubstantiated accusations or unfair methods of investigation to discredit people

The untrained mind shivers with excitement at everything it hears. Regardless of your political or ethical affiliation, how you react to statements seen on a bumper sticker, is solely, your responsibility.

To be an American, you must understand and support the U.S. Constitution. There is no room for how you feel about it here. You are a member of the last great hope for the world, or you are not. The language of the rules of government is clear to the functionaly literate.

Be advised, when you engage in a discussion of the rules, and decide that denigrating your opponent with name calling is more advantageous to your position than facts,

then you have lost your credibility.

To make a long story short, when the dog tells you to stay out of his yard, how you feel about the dog will not matter much when you jump the fence.

So sign the form then bouncer, otherwise people are going to call you a socialist.

The lawful laws, you crack me up bouncer.

And nobody asked the editor to deny Kim's rights. Unless she is using her rights to infringe on others rights. Or the fact that she likes to use other peoples works, liberally I might add, with out giving the original writer/s, individuals credit. That is against the lawful law.

Naw..I think I'll keep my own mind and do what I always do. If I were to sign the form then I would have to stay holed up in my house, in front of my computer, trashing other people in blogs, maintaining my LCD tan.....wait....if I did that then I'd have to change my blog name to censored2...LOL

Sorry..bad joke.

OBJSmith31, good stuff. You knew that when confronted the individuals would cop out. Oh well, so goes any discussion about politics.

By the way, everybody's hero FDR enacted.. what was that called again?.. Oh, yeah the New Deal. Social Security... hmmmm...that is govt. intervention. I knew about long before coming to college and so did the rest of you. Go ahead, be ignorant and claim that SS was justified and that everything since has been treason and reprehensible but the truth is that one's logic crumbles like a politician's resolve.

And FDR was a member of WHICH party?

Obama's not a socialist because he's a democrat. Obama's a socialist because of his policies and where he's trying to take us.

Being open-minded is good when exploring new and untried ideas. When you've SEEN it fail time after time in other countries that have followed the same path, you need to stand firm and call it what it is.

I didn't say that you were saying he's socialist because he's a democrat.

I just think you're subscribing to the kool-aid because democrat haters have been serving it at your republican conventions.

In debate, we learn all sides of an issue before coming to an opinion. And even then, we accept that we might be wrong.

I found a copy of Obama's Birth certificate

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/grap...

And FDR WAS a Democrat. Did THREE terms and re-eleceted for a 4th. Good thing we got THAT stopped, given the displayed intelligence of the voters from time to time.

Good post JYD, although some of these characters won't understand what you said. You practically have to draw pictures for some of them.

They'll comprehend it when as it starts coming out of THEIR pockets, though. When it starts getting deducted from THEIR refunds (although the IRS might be a little late THIS year in doing that). It's being set-up that way though, according to Shulman.

It is estimated that roughly 40% of current physicians are going to quit their private practices. ADD to that the 13 million MORE "recepients" who will get on the medical hayride when Obama LEGALIZES them..........these Obama followers will REALLY see the error of this when it takes them longer and longer to be able to even be SEEN.

Just like in Canada, and just like I was telling lilmissmelmo.........there is basically NO debate over sukjects that have REPEATEDLY failed.

We most likely have the most corrupt government on this planet, and to even IMAGINE that socialism would somehow work HERE when it hasn't worked anywhere else................

It's like sticking your hand into a rattlesnake pit and believing you'll be the ONE person who doesn't get bit!

Ms. You are correct the church wasn't in Hawaii. I'm sorry that I didn't clarify that. If you read more of that Communist poet's history, it will really open your eyes. He has a very "red" past. Of course, he's not the only mentor or advisor that Obama has had over the years that are Communist or Socialist. So many that there is no time to write all their names. Would he claim them today? I doubt it. However, the fact doesn't change that he grew up and still surrounds himself with unAmerican people. He makes them Czars!

Bazooka is correct about the birth certificate problems. Obama doesn't qualify to be our President. Never has! Yet it is amazing to me that the democrates proved that anyone can be elected if you run the campaign right and dazzle the people. What a hard lesson to learn.

Why would 40% of the Doctors quit their practices after all those years of Medical School and Student Loans that they will have to pay back? They still have house payments, bills to pay just like everyone else.

What their going to quit and get a job at a fast food restaurant?

Don't you think that if everyone has to have insurance the Doctors are going to have more patient's to see. A lot of the Doctors don't like having to take Medicaid or Medicare because its a slow process to collect their money however insurance company's pay much faster. More people having health insurance more young people might want to get into that profession

I was thinking about something

I grew up being raised a Lutheran, and had to studied the Bible. As an adult I study the Catholic Religion had my baby's Baptized in the faith and I attended church with them. I never became a Catholic so I couldn't receive communion. I have the Book of Mormon tucked away in my night stand that I read off and on although I have never attended their church. I have let the Jehovah Witnesses into my house to study their faith. So because I did this how would I be classified? Am I a true believer in any one of those Religions or do I believe in all of them? Because a person study's or goes to a certain church does not mean they believe.. If I had to take a coarse on Marxism in college would that mean I believe in it?

Yes FDR was a democrat and he is the one that put Social Security in place because we were going through a depression at that time and there were many people standing in the soup line. At that time Social Security was a godsend for our country

This also shows that Obama is not the first President that did something good for our country while others see it differently. I wonder back then if they called FDR Nazi, commi, unamerican?

I think its unamerican to call a president such horrible names just because you don't like what he is doing.

When the next president is sitting in the white house with his family and even if he is a Republican I will still be offended if the name calling starts up.. Its wrong and it does no good for our Country

I am now reading about Frank Davis and so far I see he wrote a nasty book however I have not got to the part that he was an actual pedophile I'm still reading. From what I gather it was a Novel (fiction) so I at this point will not assume because he wrote a nasty book that he did what he wrote....

Kim,

I am just not in the mood today to watse my time typing out long thought out reponses to some of the nasty IDIOTIC comments made towards or about you, your blogs, or those who read them.

I will say MsMarylin I thank you and respect the civil discussions you get involved in, so despite our differences in opinions about right and wrong for this country and the future I respect you.

The other pompous foul hypocrits and racists, well you know who you are and you know in your own heart who you are as well, you have your own demons to answer to for YOUR behavior.

Kim I ask that you PLEASE PLEASE don't stop blogging, and speaking out. There is an awakening taking place in this country, those of us who "DO" instead of just talk trash and hold our hand out for the next freebie from the government still outnumber the freeloaders end "entitlement" idiots and every day more and more of us are waking up and saying ENOUGH!

No MsMarylin, they didn't call FDR a commie or a NAZI.

FDR wasn't trying to usurp the Constitution and his government wasn't trying to TAKE EVERYTHING OVER. FDR believed in America, stood PROUD as an American, even from his wheelchair. He respected our veterans and our flag, and his 1st Lady Eleanor never called our country a "hateful nation". No one ever called HIM a communist, and neither would I.

As for "NAZI"--------2-stage meaning. "NAZIS" are what patriotic Americans called Hitler and HIS bunch.

In 2010-----"NAZIS" are what Reid and Pelosi call patrotic Americans who don't buy into their socialist agenda.

And Censored------------You win, old buddy. I guess we couldn't hope to fool YOU........

You're right, it's all paranoia, none of this hysteria could possibly happen, why there aren't even any cornerstones already in place.

We're all just a bunch of racists who don't like Obama because he's black. That's the REAL reason behind this huge Tea Party movement..........yeah, THAT'S IT!

Taxes have NOTHING to do with it. The crooked dealings and trashing the Constitution have NOTHING to do with it. Protecting the terrorists while REDUCING our OWN capabiliteis have NOTHING to do with it.

POLICY..............and what WE'RE ALREADY SEEING..........CERTAINLY wouldn't have anything to do with this.

No.............ya saw right THROUGH us, didn't you, Censored? The GOP PAID all of these senior citizens, stay-at-home moms, college students, veterans and unemployed Americans to march out there in mass for OVER A YEAR NOW...................but it's really just because he's black................c'mon now, let's hear it! You KNOW that's what you want to say!

You're partially correct in that they HAVEN'T come after the guns yet. Frankly, I think it's because they AFRAID to NOW. We've had a pretty good jump on this since the Clinton regime, and with the "Oathkeepers" in full swing, even among our active duty personnel, I think even Feinstein & company know that they won't even be able to count on the military now for support, should they try to intrude on the honest citizens.

You're dead wrong about any revolt. It won't be conjured up by OUR side. Obama and friends have become pretty brazen, and will surely pull SOME kind of stunt that will be the "last straw." Then, by order of our D.O.I., we'll just HAVE to "do our duty" as Americans, won't we?

The mass buildup that escalated on November 5th, 2008, was no more than a reading of the handwriting on the wall...............

EVERY piece of anti-gun legislature awaiting "floor time" is sponsored by a Democrat. Every piece.

We all KNOW Obama's anti-gun record as a Senator.

We all KNOW the Democratic Party's PLATFORM on the gun issue.

And we all JUST WATCHED your thieves put through a heavily unpopular, un-Constitutional and NON-partison bill, complete with fines and mandates.

In another 200 days, Obama's gonna lose a LOT of seats, and even HE has to know that.

Anything they ever DREAMED of doing, they HAVE to try to get it done now, while there aren't enough congressional votes from our side to stop it.

All we're doing on the AMERICAN side, Censored, is making sure we have a good spare tire, an ample toolbox and plenty of gasoline for this "journey", so as not to be caught SHORT......or by surprise.

From what I saw at the Fairgrounds this morning, I've got an awful lot of company,

And I STILL want someone to explain to me, how we can put Al Capone in Prison for tax evasion, but today under Obama, Tim Geithner can run the Treasury and Charlie Rangel can head the "ethics" counsel of the Ways & Means Committee."

Being a proud member of the "Moron Squad", I just can't figure that out.

One of you Obama defenders out there enlighten me on that.

And WHERE in our Constitution does it say the government can MAKE us buy things whether we want to or not.............or face fines and even jail?

Twil..........YOU ought to be good for that one. Surely, they've at least HEARD of the Constitution at BSU, and I'll just bet one of your professors could shed some light on that. Ask one of them what sections or articles cover MANDATES and THREATS by the government upon the people.

Bouncer: Read the whole comment that you wrote, something doesn't add up?

"Actually quit being a "bar room thug" a couple years ago. I did it as a second job so I wouldn't have to go to the government with my hand out. I wanted my kids to have a good role model when it it came to a good work ethic. I have made sure my family never wanted for anything they needed and have asked that they work for anything they wanted. So before you go off and start your ever present name calling, GET TO KNOW ME! My grown children are hardworkers and though now they don't have much, they aren't expecting to get an "Obama Check" so they can buy that $30,000 car. Get a life ya moron!"

And further you've already admitted in past comments to have used Government assistance in the past. Just another thing that doesn't add up about your life stories.

BAZOOKA: Get over yourself.

And if you really think about it, Censored............the government never GAVE anybody ANYTHING that they didn't TAKE from us first!

Whenever the subject of secession comes up, I always hear the same drivel from the uniformed................"Oh but we NEED "federal dollars".........

WHERE do they think the FEDS get that "money" to begin with? And Idaho gets a very poor return on what they take from people here.

If we were our OWN state, the only taxes we'd have are STATE taxes.........and I seriously doubt that Crapo & Minnick would be trying to waste money on "Bunkers for Badgers" or the myriad of other foolish things Washington D.C. blows it on.

We'd be a LOT better off.

Hard working honest people lose a LOT more money to this federal government than they EVER get back. It's the loafers and scammers who get the "free ride." The welfare bums who have learned how to make it a way of life.

And it seems to be ok with people like you, that the workers keep working to "spread the wealth" to those who would rather not.............like they're OWED something just for BEING HERE.

Are you gonna sit in front of your television, all emotional and teary-eyed when YOUR president grants AMNESTY to all of those poor, down-trodden illegals who have broken the law by sneaking in?

Hey dude.............be happy! That'll be another 13 million "grateful Democrat votes"

for Obama in 2012, if he isn't impeached by then.

And don't anybody out there be mis-led. Obama's a fraud. HE and his "team" don't have any sympathy for the "migrant workers plight"...........he KNOWS they'll be GLAD to show their gratitude for being ALLOWED to break the law and BE here----(while the honest ones went through the process as they should)--------and that "gratitude will come in the form of learning just enough English to recognize the (D) symbol on a ballot sheet.

Your side has no more credibility than Sadam Hussein.

Ok, first I am an Economics major not political science or history. Economics is the study of choice. Whether that choice is right or wrong is not the objective of the courses. Economists work to quantify the eventual outcome of a decision in terms that the lay public can understand.

I love that some on here condemn all forms of govt. intervention. Deeming that any govt. intervention, no matter how small or inconsequential, is socialism. Socialism leads to the destruction of all and that once we go down that path the end is near. Well, Social Security and Medicare are govt. intervention. Price supports for agriculture is another example. Now by accepting the practice of those three and opening one's eyes, this apocalyptic garbage falls apart. The world has not came to an end. I just lose to call people on their exaggerations.

You're missing the entire point, Twil.

Social Security and Medicare were passed with the "ok" of the people. Obamacare was NOT. An entire PARTYY was excluded form the closed rooms, payoffs were made-----------and an awful lot of taxpayers were NOT listened to.

The government NOW OWNS automakers, banks and other financial institutions, INCLUDING student loans.

Today, they have not only passed an illegal bill, but they have hired an ADDITIONAL 16,OOO IRS AGENTS no less...........to INSURE you will pay or else!

I don't think a lot of you folks really understand what all the anger is actually about.

Lots of bills get passed and NONE of them ever agrees with everybody. We all know that. But what's different about THIS one, is the WAY it happened.

They committed nearly a TRILLION dollars of our tax money without even knowing what all was in the bill. Worse than that, YOU and I never got a chance to find out either..........but YOU and I get to PAY for it, as do our kids. Pelosi HERSELF said "we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it." Is she INSANE?

"Here Twil.............sign this...........don't worry about what it is, just sign the thing. We'll tell you later." That's exactly the way it went down.

WE (our political side) NEVER got to officially OPPOSE it, with OUR representatives SHUT OUT of it.

THIS was the BIG piss-off, Twil! This is the one that's gonna break the back of the Dems in November. When you have a chance at honest debate before a vote, you have Democracy.

When debate is CLOSED, the people are NOT listened to, and the deciding votes are BOUGHT OFF...............well, what would YOU call it?

If the situation was reversed, You'd be just as mad.

This is a PURE example of "taxation without representation", and we're called radical troublemakers and NAZI's when we protest the whole crooked deal.

How would it have been if, when you went in to vote in 2008, you HAD to be a Republican or you couldn't vote at all?

Or maybe the only name on the ballot was McCain's?

You'd feel LEFT OUT of the process, wouldn't you?

It's one thing to lose a FAIR fight. It's quite another, when it's FIXED.

There are many on the left who are appalled at "their politicians" being called communists and socialists by OUR side................

But when it's rammed down your throat and you have NO SAY in it, when politicians sell out the very people who had elected them to REPRESENT them, when the very Constitution of this nation is cast aside for party agenda...........

We make no apologies for our actions, now or in the future.

The taking over of private entities and forcing people to "pay or else". Look up communism in Webster's. Look up "Republic" also.........that America was founded upon.

And just because we might have managed to slip a little over the past few years............DOESN'T make it ok for Obama & crew to add more fuel to the fire and SHOVE us where we don't need to be.

FDR and Social Security

I found this an interesting read It's almost as if History is repeating itself

As the Great Depression raged, Roosevelt became convinced that a Social Security program had to be established. In June 1934, he announced that he was preparing to "undertake the great task of furthering the security of the citizen and his family through social insurance."

Conservative Republicans seized on the word "social" and added an "ism," claiming that FDR was turning the nation toward socialism.

To be sure, he was borrowing a socialist idea, one that had been advanced for decades by the Socialist Party and its legislative representatives, such as Wisconsin Congressman Victor Berger. But Roosevelt wanted a uniquely American fix. He proposed, for instance, that "the funds necessary to provide this insurance should be raised by contribution rather than by an increase in general taxation."

That won over many Republicans. But conservative newspapers and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce still screamed that demanding those contributions was unconstitutional and that Roosevelt was extending the role of government beyond appropriate limits.

The president brought a mid western progressive, University of Wisconsin economist Edwin Witte, to Washington to develop the plan. By January 1935, Witte had a comprehensive plan for old-age insurance, services to people with disabilities, and help for homeless and neglected children.

Conservatives screamed as Roosevelt cajoled Congress to enact the Social Security Act. They cried that the process was moving too quickly, that the legislation was too complex, that it would destroy private enterprise. But a Democratic House and Senate passed the bill and on Aug. 14, 1935, Roosevelt signed it. Conservatives filed lawsuits and promised to drive the Democrats from office and undo the Social Security Act.

Instead, Roosevelt and the Democrats swept to landslide victories in 1936. By 1938, FDR's administration declared: "At the third-year milepost, the road back shows well over 30,000,000 men and women now building up insurance against want in their old age (and) about 2,350,000 of the needy receiving assistance in their own homes; and health and welfare services reaching out into all parts of the country."

Today, Social Security is so integrated into the fabric of American life that even conservatives defend it, just as they one day will defend national health care. Notably, that health care program was first proposed not by Barack Obama or Bill Clinton but by FDR, who announced in 1939 that "a comprehensive health program (is) required as an essential link in our national defenses against individual and social insecurity."

Roosevelt was proven right with regard to Social Security in his time.

Roosevelt will be proven right with regard to national health care in our time.

Dear censored,twilcox1978 and Dave;

I have greatly enjoyed your intellect and well thought out blogs. It's truly is a pleasure to have some of us engage in stimulating conversation, that doesn't rely on lies, and material from Glenn Beck or Bill O'Riley.

I do however must tell you that you are wasting your time with the Moron-Squad. They are intreched in their far-far right "extremist" manifesto.

Just take a look at the stimulating thought behind bazookaman's rants...I believe he is a blood relative of Ted Kaczynski.

I was raised to believe in being objective and that knowledge is power, especially when it comes to polictics. I have never voted for a particular party, whether a candidate is Republican, Democrat or Independent means little...it's the character of a candidate not the ideology...however this does not apply to the far-far-far right as well as the far left.

Centrism...a person who holds moderate views.. a moderate is an individual who is not extreme, partisan or radical. I believe most of us fall in-between these lines "main stream America"...notice Moron-Squad how I indicated main stream America to include this blogger.

I have a name for my newest blogger friends..."Common-Sense Squad". I look forward in engaging in insightful conversation with you and like always, invite my friends, the Moron-Squad to clean up their act, and also engage in stimulating and well-thoughtout conversation like adults are supposted to do, then maybe, just maybe I will stop calling you the Moron-Squad and we can clean up this blog...but then again, where's the fun in that?

I'm sure that bazookaman or "Ted" will probably write the newest "Mein Kampf" in response to my lastest blog. For god-sakes Ted, please formulate your thoughts in 5000 words or less...you lose me on word 50.

Thanks again Common-Sense Squad, you have renewed my faith in our countrymen and woman, until of course when Ms Moron Squad Leader writes another extreme manifesto to stir up the natives.

Here's a little political science 101;

Extremism;

Traits of a "political extremist", ranging from behaviour like "a tendency to Character assassination" over hateful behaviour like "name calling and labeling" to general character traits like "a tendency to view opponents and critics as essentially evil", "a tendency to substitute intimidation for argument"

Sound familiar Moron-Squad...

Bouncer, there's never any need to explain yourself to these nitwits. The koolaid crowd has been so brainwashed for so many years, they're in a vegetated state and merely spout agenda like puppets on strings.

They wouldn't recognize "common sense" if it BIT them!

They're being lied to and robbed like the rest of us, and they don't even see the theft and corruption that's going down right in front of them. They've been taught NOT to see it.

Thank God enough of US do..............and we'll take care of this crap in November, if not before.

Dumbfounded in Idaho: I realize that it is useless to talk or debate anything here. Even when you show them actual facts that prove them wrong they dismiss it as liberal conspiracy. As well as labeling everyone as commies/socialist that think differently than them, then toss out freedom of speech as their right as a way of legitimizing their opinions and dismissing others opinions. Trust me on this, I've been hounding them on and off for a year and a half now. Then they get up in arms when you call them out and call them names. But when they do the same thing and call Political Correctness evil it's okay for them. Screw it, I only come here now to fan their hateful, ignorance and get them going again with the hope that they may see their hypocracy. But so it goes, willful ignorance can not correct itself unless it really wants to. And these people don't want anything to do with reality or facts unless it's made-up of words from their media mouth.

And Bazooka, none of the stuff in Smiths list was a direct result of capitalism. It was all won because of crazy leftist, unions, anarchist, socialist, commies, labor radicals, civil-rights activist, poor mom's and pops and immigrants who saw that the pure capitalist system of the times wasn't giving them the freedoms promised them by the constitution. If the Capitalist/Industrialist of that time period had, had their way everyone of us middle-class/poor class would still be living in shantytowns owned by the rich. We'd still be servants instead of citizens. And further over half of us citizens would not be alive today because we would have starved to death or dead because of poor living conditions. But you people want a free-market for capitalism, free of regulations and safe guards for us. You will send us back a hundred years into the past. And everything our poor immigrant relatives of the past fought for will have been in vain. Thank you for disgracing the freedoms won by my grand-parents and great-grand parents, you silly short-sighted conservative morons.

Good censored Monday to you all.

DUMB,

I will let YOUR OWN words speak for themselves LOL

The following are ALL quotes directly from posts by DUMB>

""Extremism;

Traits of a "political extremist", ranging from behaviour like "a tendency to Character assassination"

""Once again, you have overreached your bounds in not only your limited intellect, but as to where I come from. You epitomize the meaning of the word "MORON". It's "dimwits" like yourself who makes Idaho look like it does amoungst our fellow Americans. ""

""over hateful behaviour like "name calling and labeling""

""You are the kind of low-life that my children have nightmares about...inbred, trailor park white trash.""

""general character traits like "a tendency to view opponents and critics as essentially evil", "a tendency to substitute intimidation for argument""

""You represent the tired and worn out "rednecks" that have habituated this region for far too long. The demographics of this state is slowly but surely changing. I forsee in the very near future, your kind will be exiting or even better yet "eradicated" from this great state. ""

As I said ALL cut n pasted from YOUR posts on this very web site...

So good to see you are ABOVE what you accuse others of.....

MsMarylin..some of those "chickens" are already "hatching." It's not just Republicans who are being laid off.

"Blind Party Obedience" doesn't mean much when you've lost your job because your "rich employer" is being tax-targeted.

That's a true taste of reality!

Drumroll please...........

Won't be long now before DUMB and censored come running back in name calling and defending the LIES..... can't wait to hear the attempts at "deflection" LOL

Bush's fault. ALWAYS Bush's fault. Eternally Bush's fault. That's the only tune they know.

They've had TOTAL control, the GOP hasn't had the votes to block a THING, and the dems fought between themselves................but it'll STILL be the "Bush's fault".............just like the broken record it is.

Which is why, MsMarylin, I DO feel pretty confident we're gonna see a big change at the mid-terms.

Talk to people on the street, watch the news-----------even CNN can't cover it up anymore. The citizens have NEVER been this mad, and now the IRS is involved in attempting to fleece everybody some more for Obama & company. THAT's "sitting well" with everybody too right now! Good job Barack.............THAT's winning hearts and minds!

Things are NOT going to get any better, and if the "annointed one" grants AMNESTY for the illegals as they PLAN to, on TOP of what they JUST DID, November's a done deal.

And how are these senators and congressmen going to explain all this to the American people, while they're campaigning to save their jobs?

Everyone has SEEN how this new regime operates, bribes/kickbacks/payoffs/total disregard of both the system and the citizens.

And the "fly in the buttermilk"............it has ALL been THEIR show. THEY have called every shot, and there isn't a single lone Republican that has his fingerprints on ANY of this socialist crap.

The voters aren't as stupid as it is hoped for. They'll be AWAKE for this one. And a lot of them are gonna be out of work this time, too.

As we approach 2011, "blaming Bush" isn't gonna work anymore.

Bouncer................let 'em rant all they want. They can call us whatever they want, but they can't stop the clock.

Not to be rude, but this seems a bit redundant. I wont name names but this appears eerily reminiscent of the other hundreds of posts before it.

Layoffs would have happened no matter who was in office. Repairing our image in the foreign policy was needed no matter who was elected. Now, I think that he could have chose a better way to do it but that is the past. Anyone who thinks that we should play schoolyard bully with the world and care not who we screw just needs to look at the British Empire from 1700 to 1947. Did not pay off for them did it?

Finally, you cant honestly believe that there is not more to the story when it comes to Russia or Israel. Now, stubbornness aside I dont recall certain people in this blog being involved in those encounters. I may be mistaken but that tells me that they only know what the media lets them know. Hmmmm... so misinformation back at work again.

Hmmm... I just love that you and many others think that because I am a college student that my professors endoctrinated me in this liberal, hippie, cant-see-the-forest-for-the-trees mind set. Well, one get over yourself. Two, I happen to be able to think for myself. Three, I taught myself to read and became an atheist at four years old when may I add that I was mostly deaf. So back off thinking you know jack about me. Economics is not politics. My area of focus is economics which is cold, rational, objective look at choices. So read that sentence again and tell me where there is any opinion or brainwashing.

Next, fine you have experience but again were you there when Obama met Putin. Feel free to lie because I will never meet you nor anyone else on here but the odds that you sat at that table are rather abysmally small. So with that being known, you and I are just armchair observers a few thousand miles away.

I dont pretend to know all the answers. Read my posts from the past and you should have no issues discerning that. I do call those on the carpet who pretend to know everything about those two nations. You may know more than I do but you dont know all so get off the high horse.

Finally, I have many relatives who have spent decades in the military. They have been to every continent and most nations. They dont pretend to be privy to those conversations. Now they have their own feel for what's really going on. They also know that what we get from the media is not the full story. I would expect you of all people to know that but I guess some can be delusional.

I did not think that this was needed but read carefully.

I have been on here since about Dec. 2008. You have been largely nonexistent for the majority of that time or at least not on the various blogs that I have. The usual suspects who profess their all-knowing ways are the other regulars that need not be named. There are plenty of examples of their tired tirades. The usual routine is that they paint a doomsday picture and then put into their own words what they see on FOX. FOX is a media outlet which has a layer of subjectivity built into it as all know. Their highly opinionated but usually logically suspect arguments are what I respond to.

I dont pretend to know all. I am aware that I get my information through subjective sources. When I see Obama and Putin having negotiations, I form opinions. Now in forming that opinion I know that there is more to the story than some lame brain commentator has to say. My opinions are not gospel. I dont come on here professing my expertise on this relationship simply because I watch FOX or whatever and now know the full story. Not quite. Again, the limited short sighted view that those individuals occasionally offer is the issue. Comprehend?

Finally back to the topic. Socialism is not something that has defined criteria. We can debate it til the end of time (which probably will happen) but its quite subjective. The U.S. has been moving this way slowly and surely over time and so this just might be the threshold where it no longer is tolerable. A bit flawed but that is society.

I like that story or example. Being an economist, I look at it a bit differently.

Without boring the tears out of everyone. Socialist regimes essentially try to meet the needs of all. There exists no mechanism for predicting what each and every person will want and be willing to sacrifice for. In the end, the nation experiences shortages and surpluses of different products. That is natural. The difference being that the gaps are larger because socialist regimes depress demand and limit supply. The level at which they tax makes the gaps bigger or smaller. Decreased motivation exacerbates this. This is highly simplistic but this is currently the issue in France.

I dont advocate socialism. Are national economies self-equilibrating? In modern times, no. But economies that are left to their own devices come closer than those that have govts. trying to steer the ship. Economies are naturally cyclical. Socialism attempts to minimize the ups and downs which sounds good. In the end, all known socialist regimes have issues with maintaining stability.

This ia EASILY to most corrupt government in American history.

We all heard what came out of his own mouth though, that the LIVE media telecast DID show,and he IS cutting back our arsenal while the bad guys are "building."

I haven't been to Russia either, but I re-toured Vietnam 30 years after the U.S.pulled out and the communists took it over. Took lots of pictures and camcorder film.

They are STILL living in huts for the most part, and the government has them totally under the thumb.

Nitpicking aside, government takeovers are still government takeovers. Mandates are NOT Constitutional, bribes and backdoor deals are still WRONG. Payoffs for votes are NOT representing the people.

It's still WRONG, what they're doing, Twil.................in a supposedly "free country", anyway.

Not a surprising statistic.

Don't take this as some sort of "blanket statement" because it isn't. We've got some great kids out here today, and I'm proud to know many of them.

But a LOT of kids today have grown up thinkng everything SHOULD be handed to them. Many of them have grown up with little-to-no parental guidance, and have lived their lives in front of videogames instead of on baseball fields, so the thought of having things "done for you" is appealing.

Also, that 52% takes in the college kids, where "indoctrination" is being blended in with education. "Easier to have it doled out to you, than to have to work for it."

Society "owes you"......everybody ELSE "owes you". The more kids you have, the more WIC and welfare you qualify for---------------and a lot of folks out there, have made this a creed, a way of life.

That statistic you read, yoB, is unfortunately pretty accurate.

But as most of us know, the main with socialism, is that you eventually run out of spending other people's money.

If you intend to achieve, get ahead, or accomplish anything worthwhile in this life, socialism just doesn't work.

But if you don't mind being a flunky for everyone else..................

Socialism did not exist until the unveiling of Karl Marx's "Das Kapital" which was long before the Constitution was written.

Now, if Marx's ideas would have existed at that time, I cant imagine them not having issues with it. This is just an educated guess but I cant see Jefferson agreeing with something that states that workers would rebel against the owners of production. Jefferson was a strong advocate of America being a network of small farming villages. He opposed industrialization and cities being anything more than small administrative enclaves. I wont go on anymore but economics are pretty much left out of the Constitution and other founding documents. The world was different though so it is reasonable to see why. The world was not better like a certain person would say. Slavery, oppression, and short, mostly miserable life spans were very common and so tells me that they were not perfect.

Good stuff, Censored. Lets hope that they dont take it too serious.

To the "common-sense" squad.

There is a book that should be on your "must" read list. "The Wrecking Crew, How Conservatives Rule" from a Mr Thomas Frank, a former young Republic son of Kansas, America's heartland. Extremely good read. This book will clear up any questions about the hidden agenda of the far-right.

I'd recommend this to our friends over at the moron-squad, but I'm not sure that they can read!

Go Coffee Party!

Whether we are a democracy or a republic is actually a debate. We are not a true democracy, obviously. I believe it is a democratic-republic. We emcompass qualities of each.

Junkyard dog: I am not at all saying that the constitution only applies to majorities. But the founding fathers meant for the gov't to be ruled by the people (indirectly). But how do the people ever make decisions? Through a majority vote from congress members, each of which are elected by a majority of the electorate. Tyranny of any majority? That is why I said Majority rule, Minority right. Even if you look back to the civil rights movement. Majority was against civil rights, but it was against minority right. Completely unconstitutional. I am just saying I do not think that if the majority of this country decided to have socialistic values, it doesn't mean it would be tyranny.

Sooo if everybody goes along with drinking the kool-aid???

Yob,

Now, answer the question: When a official is elected by majority in a "democratic republic," is that representative elected to use his/her judgement, or is said representative elected to do what the majority tells him/her to do? Isn't this a great debate question.

BTW, regarding Civil Rights: The majority supported it (Republican Legislators, Democratic President). Opposition to civil rights came from the Democratic Party...the "solid south." The party that supported "Jim Crow", the Confederacy, the reason why federal troops had to defend voters following the U.S. civil war.

Perhaps you believe a leopard can change its spots, or a makeover makes a zebra a horse?

Is the People's Republic of China, a republic? Is the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea, a democracy. Were the Athenian's really democratic?

Slavery still remains the "tyranny of the majority" across the globe. Our saving grace is that we ended it by war and the enforcement of individual rights granted by the rule of government. Never quote Jefferson without recognizing that he was the 1st great Democrat/hypocrite.

All men are created equal...except my slaves.

One man one vote...as long as that man (not woman) is a property holder.

If you want more, turn off the TV, do your research before taking a stand vs taking a stand and looking for evidence to support your predetermined point of view.