WECRD releases op plans for center, raises questions as to when report was received

Wednesday, November 19, 2008

The Western Elmore County Recreation District plans to lose nearly $200,000 a year and to sell 500 family passes annually at $400 each once it opens its facility, according to an operations budget prepared by GreenPlay.

The district hired the consulting firm to create an operations budget for the recreation center it plans to eventually build. During the recent election campaign WECRD officials indicated that construction would begin in late 2009.

According to the budget, the proposed community center will be a 20,000-square-foot building with indoor aquatics that would include a warm water therapy pool with ramp and a cool water "zero depth" entry with two swim lanes; a lobby; locker/restrooms; two small and one large multipurpose rooms; a fitness/cardio room; and a walking circuit.

The center would be open from 5 a.m. to 9 p.m. Monday though Friday, 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. on Saturdays, and noon to 8 p.m. on Sundays, according to the report, which is described as being still in its draft stage.

Pass holders can participate in self-directed activities but would pay additional fees for special classes under the tentative operation plan.

Annual, monthly and 10-punch passes would be available, in addition to daily admission charges, the budget shows.

Residents who live in the district or are in the military would receive a 20 percent discount compared to non-residents.

An annual pass for an adult living in the district or in the military would be $200. A monthly pass would be $20, a 10-punch pass would be $40 while daily admission in lieu of a pass would be $5.

Family passes are $400 annually or $40 monthly for in-district or military families.

The budget shows the WECRD is planning to sell 500 of the $400 passes, in addition to the 2,015 other types of passes and 3,910 day passes it expects to sell each year. As of 2006 there were 7,345 livable units in the district.

In comparison, the City of Mountain Home sold nine $22.50 season passes for children five and younger to the city pool, 62 $45 season passes for people older than six, donated 29 passes to El-Ada and issued 38 to city employees as part of their benefit package last summer.

The city has sold approximately 200 passes to the golf course at nearly $500 apiece.

Board director Mollie Marsh declined to answer questions regarding how the board plans to reach those goals.

In the budget's five-year budget projection, the WECRD expects to spend $795,393 in operating expenses while collecting $597,932 in revenue for an anticipated loss of $197,461 in its first year of operation.

However tax revenues are not reflected in the operating budget. The district collected $422,999.98 in 2007.

It is unclear when the WECRD obtained the document from GreenPlay, but some questions have been raised about whether or not the budget information was, or should have been, made available for the public to review prior to the election.

The WECRD had printed, in a paid ad in the Oct. 29 issue of the Mountain Home News, a summary of the cover letter sent by GreenPlay concerning the operations plan, but it did not indicate any of the actual projected revenue and expenses.

The Mountain Home News received a copy from a third-party source Nov. 3, the day before the district's first election for director Mollie Marsh's seat on the three-member board.

When the paper asked WECRD employee Rebecca Ainslie-Perez for a copy of the document on the same day, she directed all questions to the board of directors and refused to confirm or deny the document existed.

Board president Doug Belt did not return phone calls left at his residence and on his WECRD-provided cell phone.

Board member Marsh did provide the Mountain Home News with a copy of the operation budget on Nov. 12 but declined to answer any questions relating to the document.

The document she provided the Mountain Home News was missing a detailed three-page spreadsheet breaking down the annual personnel cost for the facility as well as a two-page letter from Pat O'Toole of GreenPlay written to Marsh and dated Oct. 10 that appeared in the first copy the Mountain Home News received.

Mountain Home resident Judy Mayne said she ran into problems of her own trying to obtain the document prior to the election.

She said she went to the WECRD office on Oct. 30 after reading a letter to the editor written by Sandy Pitts in the Oct. 29 edition of the Mountain Home News that made reference to the document.

There she said WECRD volunteer Betty Ashcraft told her the document was on her kitchen table because she had been comparing the document to the building's architect's plans.

Mayne then left the WECRD office because she had an appointment to keep at another place in Mountain Home. She said Ashcraft told her she would go to her house, get the document and bring it to her at the place of her appointment.

Mayne said when Ashcraft met up with her, she only had a one-page cover letter to the document, dated Oct. 10, and said the document had been secured in a filing cabinet in the WECRD office and that the secretary with the key would not be in the office until Tuesday morning, the day of the election.

Mayne said when she got a copy of the budget that morning she was upset because she felt like the WECRD had purposely withheld information and only shared it with people who would help get Marsh re-elected.

Pitts, whose Oct. 29 letter to the editor had to submitted by Oct. 27 to the Mountain Home News by paper policy, said she first read the document as it was being passed around at a meeting to re-elect Marsh sometime during the week of Oct. 20-24.

Ashcraft denied the document was ever on her kitchen table but did say she originally thought the document was left in her bag after she took it to the architect's office during the week of Oct. 27-31 before she said she realized it was in the WECRD's filing cabinet.

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    Sounds like the Rec. district is trying to pull a fast one on all of us. I would love to know who they think are going to be purchasing these family passes at $400.00 each. Seems like a lot of money considering what we already pay in city taxes to this place. Sure glad we are getting good use out of our VERY EXPENSIVE dirt lot.

    -- Posted by highschoolmom on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:38 AM
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    Correct me if I am wrong, the City pool is only open from the time school lets out until the weekend prior to it starting, so, pay $45 per person for 2 1/2 months of outside swimming or $400 per family for 12 months of indoor swimming.

    -- Posted by Ds_Seester on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:29 AM
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    On the surface this looks very bad for the WECRD, and even worse for Elmore County residents in the district. $400 per family and still lose $200,000 a year!?! If this is even close to the truth (and who knows, the truth has been obfuscated from the public for what, 7, 8 years now), it's time to for the WECRD to pull their collective head out of the clouds, or where ever it may be, and make some fact-based decisions on reality. Who in their right mind would even attempt to move forward with this project knowing it's going to lose $200,000 a year? Not me. I hope not any rational thinking Elmore County resident. Now as far as the report being available before the election and not disclosed until now…"shady" is the only term I can come up with that won't get this response deleted. In my opinion it's wrong and provides some insight as to how the WECRD chooses to conduct business. It's not very funny when jokes come to life.

    While walking down the street on their way to vote on Election Day, a voter is tragically hit by a truck and killed. His soul arrives in Heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

    "Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."

    "No problem, just let me in," says the voter.

    "Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

    "There's no need! I want to be in Heaven," says the voter.

    "I'm sorry, but we have our rules." And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator, the doors open, and he rides the elevator down, down, down. When the doors open again, the voter finds himself in the middle of a beautiful green golf course. In the distance is a club, and standing in front of it are all his friends and other people who had worked with him.

    Everyone is very happy and in formal dress. They run to greet him, and they reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar.

    Also present is the Devil, who is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that, before the voter realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves while the elevator rises. The elevator goes up, up, up, and the door reopens in Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.

    So 24 hours pass with the voter joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by, and St. Peter returns.

    "Well, you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now, you must choose where you want to spend eternity."

    He reflects for a minute and then answers, "Well, I would never have thought it, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be more satisfied in Hell."

    So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator, and down, down, down he goes into Hell. Now, the doors of the elevator open, and he is in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. And it's hot, hot, hot, and the odor is just horrible.

    The Devil comes over to him and smoothly lays his arm around his shoulder.

    "I don't understand," stammers the voter. "The day before I was here, and there was a golf course and a club, and we ate lobster and caviar and danced and had a great time. Now all there is just a wasteland full of garbage, and my friends look miserable."

    The Devil looks at the voter, smiles, and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning. Today you voted for us."

    -- Posted by VicVega on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 12:21 PM
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    cant justwatch: In regards to question 2)...

    Idaho has laws on the books for dissolution of Special Districts. Check out the Idaho CHAPTER 41 -- SPECIAL DISTRICT DISSOLUTION ACT:

    http://law.justia.com/idaho/codes/63ftoc/63041ktoc.html

    and this:

    http://www3.idaho.gov/cgi-bin/newidst?sctid=630410003.K

    Here's an excerpt on how to start a petition: Proceedings for the dissolution of a special district may be initiated by a petition containing the signatures of qualified electors of the district or owners of property within the district equal in number to twenty-five percent (25%) of the largest number of persons who voted for any director in the last election of directors or if no election has been held within two (2) years then a petition may be initiated by twenty-five (25) or more qualified electors or property owners of the district.

    If I'm reading that right, based on the 3277 voters casting ballots in the director election, it would only take 820 registered voters to sign the petition to get the matter up for a hearing. Over 1400 voted for someone other than the director that was re-elected November 4th 2008.

    -- Posted by VicVega on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 3:37 PM
  • Ds_Seester

    If I read right the pool is only going to have 3 lanes lap pool. So what happens if you have 6 people show up wanting to swim laps, it only fits 3. At the city pool you have a regular size pool for people to play in plus a kiddie pool for the little one.

    -- Posted by small town on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 4:57 PM
  • VicVega, where do I sign up? And there are two others in this household that would sign, also.

    -- Posted by senior lady on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 6:19 PM
  • All from the Moxie Mob tried to tell everyone of you. Tried to tell everyone - if you don't get involved now, then don't come crying later. The Moxie Mob knew this was coming and couldn't get anyone to listen. If I remember correctly - OM even posted the numbers on the BBox for everyone to see.

    So, for those of you who voted Marsh back in, and those of you who said the people from the Moxie Mob were being too hard on Mollie, well, deal with it. Now look what a mess we have. I "think" that had she been voted out, Leanna was going to try to get the pool deal pulled and put in other more family friendly things to do. But, the people had their say - so deal with it. Don't come crying to me. I had it up to my eyeballs with trying to get her out.

    By the way - if you try to dissolve the district -you won't get your money back that was paid in taxes - it will be put into a district money need, and not one that you get to vote on either!!!!!

    -- Posted by midea on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 6:48 PM
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    midea: True the money will not go directly back to the taxpayers. But the per home tax, and the tax levy put onto the businesses would go away with the district if it is dissolved. As I understand it the money would go into the County's general fund. Personally, I am much more comfortable with that idea than I am with the unrealistic vision of the WECRD.

    -- Posted by VicVega on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 8:37 AM
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    I say name the time and place and I will gladly sign the petition to terminate this taxing district that has done nothing but make hollow promises for so long.

    Go look at the letter Ms. Marsh had the courage to post in this week's paper. She asks for more time to accomplish things. Give me a break, you have had 8 years and what does this community have to show for it besides a nice EMPTY dirt lot and you still want more money.

    -- Posted by B Mullen on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 9:45 PM
  • Don't worry Mid,

    I don't think ANYONE will come crying to you, least of all.

    -- Posted by MrMister on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 9:39 PM
  • Well I'm one to sign my name to a recall .. I dont care about the money already payed to the district . We need to nip this in the butt before we really get hosed ... Dissolve the district .... If you need help let me know I'll be the first to sign, go door to door if needed!

    Give Stan in the parks and rec. the money and i bet we get more for it...

    -- Posted by opposed on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 7:27 AM
  • What we need to do is Declare all of this a bank and ask for 25 Billion dollars to bail us out.

    -- Posted by R&M on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:46 AM
  • This story is ridiculous, you people are ridiculous. I am a high school student whose been volunteering for the WECRD ever since I can remember.

    1. The city pool is disgusting, old, and over crowded. A long with the fact it's open 2.5 months out of the year. I believe it's a waste. The only positive element of the city pool is the fact that it's a great opportunity for high school students to have a job.

    2. You're angry about paying tax dollars and having to pay to use the facility? You pay taxes on the city pool, golf course, and for parks and rec? YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY TO USE THESE FACILITIES! The tax dollars paid to the WECRD is not as much as it sounds. I believe it is around $35-$45 annually per/household.

    3. Dissolution of the WECRD would be the biggest step backwards for this town. Having a recreation center, would decrease our dependency on the base. It will be a step towards being a town and not just a military town. I don't think many of you realize that this isn't just a pool. If you have ever been to the YMCA it contains much more.

    4. Giving the money to Stan for Parks and Rec would be a disaster. Most of the money would be put into the golf course which very few residents actually use. Parks and Rec activities are focused on elementary/middle schoolers. The WECRD is open to every age group.

    5. You don't want to give more time. You must not realize how long it takes to raise millions of dollars. Since Mrs. Marsh is simply a volunteer, all of the time she puts into this is limited because she has a life just like any other person. If you want this now, I suggest you take it up with the people who have money and power in this town. Maybe they should step up for the community. If you think 8 years is plenty of time to earn the money for a recreation facility, why don't you go do it?

    6. I'm ashamed of the Mountain Home News for allowing Robert J. Taylor to write something as appalling and misleading as this article. Editor Kelly Everett knows the WECRD directors gain NOTHING from putting countless hours and amazing effort into this.

    Robert J. Taylor also made it sound like no one is going to use these facilities. He must not be aware of the fact that the WECRD used to take bus loads of people of all ages to the Boise YMCA and Nampa Recreation center every month.

    The city of Mountain Home is growing, and if the citizens don't step up to the plate to support the development, we will have a bigger mess than we have already. The recreation center would be only good for this town and for the people who would use it.

    -- Posted by yoB on Sun, Nov 30, 2008, at 6:21 PM
  • Yob, You are very quick to critisize Robert Taylor and the Mountain Home News by offering your opinion on this controversial subject. As I read back through his article I see only facts. I do not see where you refuted any of these facts. As you stated you are a student I would like to ask, Have you examined your parents tax bill? It does not take long for a variety of taxes to add up. I don't doubt you have alot of information about the daily workings if you have been vounteering at the office, I also believe you have heard a one sided opinion. It is the right and responsibility of the people to watch and question those who tax and represent us. Does it not strike you as odd that there are far more people questioning this district than there are people supporting it?

    -- Posted by Amused MtnHomey on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 6:12 PM
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    Yob,

    There are many questions and concerns that we (taxpayers) have raised to Ms. Marsh and she has not addressed them.

    1. Why has it taken so long to begin any construction? At the begining a pool was the focal point but seems to have shifted. Would it not be better to have a Rec Center of any kind than just a dirt lot for all these years?

    2. What is your business plan?

    3. You are basing your decisions on data that is 10 years old. Is it not time to base a decision on current needs?

    4. Why can't the board be expanded to 5 people instead of 4? That way any vote is not a tie and it also provides one more point of view?

    Since you volunteer, I suggest you go to Ms. Marsh, ask her these questions and post back with her answer. We have asked for these answers in public and she never provides a concrete answer. Good luck !!!

    -- Posted by B Mullen on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, at 11:23 PM
  • Old Guy & Amused,

    1. The WECRD has a business plan. All you need to do is go to their office and ask for a copy.

    2. So the information is 10 years old. This means, our population has grown in that 10 years. That means, the need is greater than it was 10 years ago. Half of the people who have been in this town for 50 years, seem to be in denial that this town is growing.

    3. There aren't 4 board members, there are three.

    Mollie Marsh, Dee Payton, and Jenna Borgorthas(sp).

    4. The reason it has taken so long is because it takes a lot of work and time to raise millions of dollars. If you believe you can do it in 2-3 years, go ahead! With the Rec Center, you aren't just getting the pool.

    I am also a journalism student at MHHS. Robert J. Taylor is stating facts, but they're all one sided. Why can't he put facts that show both sides to this. That's good reporting.

    In fact, Robert J. Talor has covered other things for the WECRD where he has gotten all the facts wrong.

    I am also debate student, I know how to see both sides of a situation. Trust me, I also know how to form my own opinion on issues without bias. You may only see the people post on here in opposition to the WECRD, but maybe if you showed up to a WECRD sponsored event you might see how many are in support. In the WECRD office is a copy of all the signatures from people to form the WECRD. Take a look at that.

    It's definately understandable that taxpayers are concerned with their money. But taxing residents $35 annually seems to be the only way to raise such a great amount money right now. The WECRD is working on getting grants, and they initially tried to build this just on donations.

    -- Posted by yoB on Thu, Dec 4, 2008, at 1:26 AM
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