Communism: Started where faith ended.

Religion was the sole reason behind the misery that was Europe from 500 to 1600. Hmmm... I think that a thousand years of ignorance would spawn a new way of thinking.

Your writing goes all over the place, from politics to god to evolution to economics, but to puncture a few of the more obvious misstatements about evloution, try this:

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/10/30/how-creationist-origin-di...

http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/greys_anatomy_fluoride.html

Umm Censored...Hitler was JEWISH...at least half...and the last time I checked..maybe Dave can find a link to prove it... but Jews don't beleive that Christ was the savior sent by God. But hey...what do I know..I could be wrong.

Whether you want to believe that the loss of faith in God was the root of Marx & Stalin's evil is anyone's decision. I didn't just decide that based on nothing. I am not a bible-thumper. What I did was read the history and the men behind that history. It is not me who blamed the fall of man on the loss of faith, it was those very men and what they said. If someone poses as a Christian and spews it in order to get the trust of people, that is not only evil in its purest form but also genius because it works. Hitler used religion to get the support and then abolished it from his country. Stalin was straight-forward and stated openly that religion had to be abolished. And lastly, I reported that the Russian middle class were the main targets. In that time, the middle class were those who had the land and grew the crops. Again, not my words but history's words that stated that 80% of the target people were of that middle class and everyone else suffered due to the lack of food. Read it for yourself, I don't just make stuff up. How stupid would I be? (Time: 6:27am)

MBouncer:

Hitler was a Baptised Roman Catholic and practiced his faith throughout his life. Never renounced or was booted from the church by it's leaders. The leaders in fact, encouraged his antics at the time.

And just because a person has a great-great-grandmother who may have practiced, lets say voodoo, doesn't mean the grand-kids will follow the voodoo practices. Not downing on Voodoo, just using it as an example.

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Bazooka:

Those were different times, politically, economically and socially. Again just because you have one outcome in the past doesn't mean you will get the exact same outcome in the present. Take Britain for example, they have some pretty socialistic policies there but their citizens are not locked away in labor camps, concentration camps or forced to give up private property. They are still free individuals, with dare I say it, Free Speech.

Or like this whole swine-flu fiasco going on where you have some rightist media types saying that the government will be locking people away if they refuse vaccines or present with flu-like symptoms. That happened in the past with the Spanish-Flu in this country and others at the time. The police went out and actively arrested and jailed anyone who was sick, to quarantine them from the rest of society. And the government got in trouble for this practice. It hasn't happened since that time. But your mouthpieces are using the past practices of fed and local government to scare the pants off you people. Why would Rightist do this? Only their twisted little heads know.

And we still have our guns.

Kim:

Your history books or the sites you visit are deeply flawed. Sorry.

Or maybe it's some of that Beckistan history you've been learning?

Haven't listened to Beck in months. Don't have the time. Everyone must be on their own quest for truth and understanding. I have always told my kids and anyone else that their quest is their own. What they decide to believe as truth comes from learning as much about all religions and sciences. I encourage the use of the brain and the art of asking questions. I want to question the teachings of man & religion. From all of that knowledge, your quest for truth will be fruitful. And most importantly, what you believe is yours and not just something that you were told. (time: 7:05am)

Kim: not just something that you were told. (to believe)

Again, laughable.

We're going on a witch hunt, we're going on a witch hunt,....

I to have lived in England my friend. The only thing I disliked about the place was the fact that their beer was so pricey.

And the time in which you grew up still allowed for legalized racism. If you want to wax nostalgic about it be my guest. But it won't do you any good. Because things, strangely, have a way of changing. Whether you like it or not. But you and your ilk would rather a society of stagnation instead of progress. That's your trip and no one can take it from you. But the momentum of society can't be stopped. I'm sure the Romans would have liked to stop the momentum, but alas they couldn't and they fell to pieces.

And again, there will be no socialist America. You guys are becoming fatalist.

Mainly Colchester(sp?), but rode the rails and buses all over the place.

Believe what you want but after the "fall of Rome", where did people live? Dont play stupid and make up stuff to fit your argument. Oh... they lived in feudal villages, castles, etc. that operated under the iron fist of what? Answer that and that is why religion was behind the suffering that was the Middle Ages. Greeks, Romans, and Persians of the first 500 years were well on their way to knowing science and mathematics quite intimately but what got in their way. Hmmm... pretty convincing stuff.

"You find as you look around the world that every single bit of progress in humane feeling, every improvement in the criminal law, every step toward the diminution of war, every step toward better treatment of the colored races, or every mitigation of slavery, every moral progress that there has been in the world, has been consistently opposed by the organized churches of the world. I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world."-Bertrand Russell, 1927

As true today as it was even then.

Is it not a coincidence that church attendance in Europe is at an all-time low and the standard of living is at an all-time high. Now that there are no theocracies in Europe, they have been relatively civil-war free. Yes, wars have happened but not nearly as often as they did prior to 1950.

Jinkies!

Jy-D:

Nice! Did you google that? I'll bet you did,...

CJW:

Yup. Just like all of us American citizens, generalizing everything, instead of looking into the mess and false statements that persuade us to believe in one way or the other.

And it's still a fact that people of the white community commit more crime then all the other groups in this country. So it goes,...

And I'm not an expert, just well read. Might possibly be a Hijacker of blogs as well? But that's not a crime yet so I am in the minority of non-criminal whites.

Hmmmm. Censored, you have an interesting take on who is in jail and who is not.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/jails.htm

Or this:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrace.htm

Or this:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrair.htm

Opinion Missy:

Look at the blue line= white inmates.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jail...

This graph is labeled Jailed Inmates by Race and Ethnicity.

Notice how the blue line is higher then the others.

Dig it!

As long as the argument continues to be along the lines of religious affiliation or racial make up the discussion will continue to be pointless. For the religious to try and take away a non-religious persons validity or morality because of their lack of religion is flawed thinking to say the least. For the non-religious to negate a religious persons point of view because they believe in a God is equally flawed. Criminals are criminals, and good people should condemn them regardless of race. When we start to concentrate on an individuals right to freedom and the principals that this country was founded on,(not the religion), that is when we will make progress. As long as the politicians from both sides can keep up bickering we will continue to live in a dictatorship of the powerful and rich over the not.

Cantjustwatch and opinionmissy:

Lady or man, it was opinionmissy that went back to statistics. So go rag on her. And you were the first one to post statistics originally so you could label the Black Community as all potential criminals and the reason that America is chitty now, by your reasoning. So rag on yourself for a while instead. And the only reason you keep acting ***** about this is because your racism backfired on you, as well as your numbers.

Because yet again there are more white people incarcerated at this time.

So go get your bed sheets on and burn a cross you silly individual.

And the link I posted was opinionmissys middle one.

I dont know about the whole prison topic so I will steer clear.

As for religion, I find non-believers to be vastly more tolerant and accepting of other views. I may be wrong but when the theory is tested over a wide populace and has similar results, it is not all that outlandish to presume that it is correct.

Back to the topic, Greeks in the 5th century were on their way to decoding calculus and some physics. In a hypothetical and more logical scenario, one has to wonder how things would have turned out if the church and its ties to the emperor and upper politics had not deemed it heresy. I would say that it has proven to be a better way of understanding the world around us than arbitrary, subjective, change-it-to-your-liking theories told by street theologians. This oppression lasted until the 1600's. 1100 years wasted.... now do we want to revert back to that.

Cantjustwatch:

I was just about to say that to you. Blast! You win for the quick draw.

Should I not defend myself when you accuse me of lacking math skills and logic. Should I take the abuse graciously,...turn the other cheek style? No. That wouldn't be American. Arrogance and childish antics have been pressed upon me from this society. So I must persist like any patriotic American.

And it's not everyone who I disagree with that becomes the racist. Just you and others that blame societies ills on ethnic groups, instead of looking at themselves for the culprit.

If'n you don't like it go back to your motherland.

Dig it,...?

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Twilcox:

Sorry for the immaturity and interruption.

Your logic is sound.

Mine ain't.

Religion and a common sense belief in God are two different things. Organized religion has been corrupted for so long by ignorant people who just don't get it for far too long. Bickering and self-righteous holier-than-thou people have caused more evil to flourish. Religion is man-made. A basic belief in the existance of God without all the doctrine hanging from your shoulders is certainly closer to what God wants than all the constrains of organized religion. It is true that over the years of history, man have used their religion to cause wars and bloodshed. I am not a part of that. I believe in God. That simple. Those religious leaders of the past, in the time of Stalin and Hitler, were men who had distorted their religion due to human characteristics called greed and a hunger for power over the people. The simple people had a simple faith and desire to live a good life. When people who were brought up in the man-made religion of those powerful leaders and are then told that there is no God of creation, it had a profound effect on their souls. I'm sorry that everyone wants to focus on the religion and all it's faults instead of the facts. Anger played a large role in the formation of the oppression of Stalin and Hitler. They were angry men who wanted to take complete control. They hated so deeply that they used the minds of millions to help them kill off those that they hated. They knew that they could eraticate generations of them by taking away anything that gave them hope and strength. Hence the reason to remove the churches and leaders in order to leave the people weak and afraid. That is what this blog was about. Not a discussion about the validity of God's existence or to focus on the flawed religion of Man. (Time: 6:44am)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

Not like Mike has not posted this before. This lays out the plan for these "emergency" camps. The fine print is what tells the tale.

http://images.google.com/images?q=US+concentration+Camps&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=VPrySq...

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=US+concentration+Camps&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=VP...

WTF?! You people removed the section I wrote that showed Hitler as a Christian. You people are sad.

Here is a bit of Hitler the Christian Speaking:

April 12, 1922, Hitler said:

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice . . .

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.

When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."

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Hitler was a Christian, Hitler was a Christian,

and the Rightist act like him!

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That's free speech.

Take it down again ya Nazi's,,,,,,,

Censored: I don't know any way to remove someone's comments but regardless, I wouldn't if I knew. I strongly believe that everyone has a right to comment and have their own opinion. What you wrote was truth. Hitler did proclaim to be a Christian. He was like the false prophet! Deception to the Nth degree. I would be interested to know how your comment could have been removed. I'm sure the moderator from the paper could do it but if so you would think more comments that are offensive and cruel would have disappeared and not yours.

I know you couldn't do it personally from your computer. I was calling out whoever it was that complained to the moderator or editor or whoever has the magic purge button.

I could understand the action if there was personal attacks or cursing in that section. But there wasn't so it is a case of someone simply not liking what was written. In which case, everything should be purged from the screen not just one particular section of commentary.

Whoever complained is an anti-American chump!(that is a personal attack towards the culprit)

Look, I am not anti-christian or anti-atheist. What I am is angry at overly sensitive people that can't grasp that maybe??, hitler held many of their same beliefs. And I'm angry at people who are one-sided about their censorship.

The fact is, no one can definitively prove that Hitler wasn't a christian, atheist, deist, theist or mud worshiper.

Everything he wrote in Mien Kampf points toward him being a Christian. Deal with it.

whoever complained is a Nazi (that is another personal attack)

And whoever is the culprit is a hypocritical square. (another personal attack)

But I didn't curse.

I have read a lot of books about Hitler and the Holocaust and I do remember somewhere reading where it said that Hitler was a Jew however he kept that a secret when he was rising to power. I don't think I will ever remember what book I read it in..

It was either his grandmother or great grandmother that was of Jewish decent. I Think? In the end it doesn't matter what his lineage was, he was still a syphilis carrying nut and a murderous speed junkie, with one testy.

Yes, he told everyone what they wanted to hear. The lack of information on the part of citizens held them back from making a sound judgment on him or any of the surrounding events. We have better access to information and most people know past history to avoid the apocalyptic scenario that some on here try to profess.

OMG...AT LAST...Censored and I agree on something...write this date down. Thanks censored