I've lived in Mtn Home since 1989, so that's...hold on...I'm thinking...WOW! Exactly 25 years! Boy, I think I can almost declare myself an Idahoan. But my family is British and I grew up in Louisiana around lots of other Brits so I still think I'm a little bit of a mutt. Those of you who have been around awhile may remember when I used to blog all the time. My opinions weren't very accepted and there was always an issue because I work for the county. That really wasn't fair because I NEVER blog at work! And I am still entitled to my opinions and thoughts about city and county issues, right? However, it stirred a lot of pots and those pots certainly can make a lot of noise! Since I'm a writer, I took what I wrote in my blog seriously so I spent a lot of time researching things which got exhausting to do when you're not even get a paycheck for it. So I stopped. That was a blessing to many! However, to this day, I still have people stop me and ask me why I wasn't blogging and t! hey missed it. I've missed it. Mainly because there are so many issues that come up and I have no voice except around my friends and I'm sure they are tired of it.

Flag ban lifted in Oregon

Posted Monday, October 19, 2009, at 11:49 PM

Big update! That Albany apartment manager decided that it was okay to have the flags. Especially since the media and public were screaming mad about it. Yes, you go Oregonians!

As early as 1998, banning the American flags started to become politically correct. Case in point- the New York Times reported: "Some military veterans in this Jersey Shore resort were left feeling defeated last week, after the City Council refused to overrule an order by the Police Chief banning American flag patches worn by about half the department's 29 officers." There was no concrete reason given to these police officers as to why they had to remove the flag patches except that the powers-that-be wanted the uniforms to just be uniforms. How could wearing one little flag patch be harmful?

Banning Flag Clothing from schools: The San Benito High School restriction on flags in 2005 was due to tension between students of different nationalities. "As a senior at SBHS, I find that banning any and all flags protects against the threat of physical violence and verbal confrontation during lunch, break and class. If a student decides to wear a flag in support of their nationality, it creates tension with other students that cannot be ignored."(Hollister Freelance.com)

Several CA and Colorado schools followed suit and banned any patriotic clothing or flags because they believe it is being used to taunt others.

And here is an interesting history lesson. Following the most horrible terrorist attacks in our history, 9-11, many people were encouraged by their congressmen to fly their American Flags in their yards to show their patriotism, unfortunatley what many Senators and Representative's office got were millions of emails from their citizens stating that they are banned from flying the flag by their homeowners association. This is a widespread issue across the nation.

While I firmly believe that communities and neighborhoods should be able to set their own policies, banning the nation's flag just doesn't seem very good for any community.

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And again the Albany ordeal was not flag specific it was all flags even football league flags. Why? Because people had been using them to justify ugly behavior.

So here's what you leave out:

Cause and effect: When people use patriotism to justify hate and ignorance you will see a backlash of emotion. Which was happening at the school of which you write. "Red-blooded" American kids being hateful towards immigrant kids. I don't want my flag to be used as a symbol of hate.

And in the case of Home Owner Associations, why don't those people remove the HOAs and do what they want on their property? Where's the logic?

And the cops have always had flags on their uniforms. Don't have time to look that story up right now but will when I get home to my property.

When people act like infants they should get things taken away. It's just good parenting,...

-- Posted by censored on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 7:29 AM
Censored, Police have NOT always had flags on their uniforms. The first department I worked for had the department patch on both shoulders. The flag I wore was carried by the guardian angel I wore on my pocket. The sheriff's office I worked for was the same way until 9/11. We then added a flag just above the pocket. When I took over the small town police force there was no question on whether we wore flags on our uniforms. It was on the shoulder and worn with respect and duty. Today the same guardian angle holds the flag on the leather vest I wear when I ride with the Patriot Guard Riders. On the same vest are crossed flags, one a POW/MIA and the other is an American Flag. There are also American flag and POW/MIA patches on that vest. An American flag flies in front of my house 24/7/365. Only taken down in inclement weather. I even went to Wally World and bought solar lights that shine on it at night. When it becomes faded and worn it will be given respect and destroyed as per proper flag etiquette. I personally wouldn't live in a subdivision where they told me I couldn't fly my flag.

I've seen in our schools way too many shirts that promote certain heritages and nationalities. But if your child went to school with a shirt promoting his white race or his AMERICAN heritage, he's expelled. Even though I come from Irish and German stock I am an AMERICAN...no hyphen needed. The problem in this country if you object to the hyphen then you are a racist. As I've been watching the news for the past year I have come to arealization. A large part of the black population in this country are as bigotted and racists as anyhone in this country. They use their color to further their cause. Now they use the fact that the president is black to denounce people of other color. They play the race card at every given turn to get their way. Call me a racist because of this comment but just LOOK at the news. I dont' care what channel you turn on. Who did they show at the tea parties and the march on DC? White people. Who did they claim brought weapons to the tea parties? White people....even though the once the camera panned upwards it was a conservative BLACK man with the weapons. WHo is classified as RWE's? Whites who served in the military and beleive in teh constitution.

Are their still racists out there? Sure, a Justice of the Peace down south just proved that. But racists come in all colors.

-- Posted by mhbouncer on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 10:06 AM
Bouncer: Excuse me for not being as old as you in regards to flag patches. But every place I have lived the police had the flag, so it goes.

So onto your "shirts": give me an example of the shirts that you've seen these kids wearing. Who was on it, what was on it, etc, etc,... no fibbing either, you were a cop at one time.

And onto your theory of "black" people using their color and the presidents "to further their cause". (What is the cause they are further-ing?)

Just curious,....

And I don't know about you, but I haven't been denounced by the "black" community lately or ever. And I can guarantee you that a "large" percentage of the "black" population "are NOT racist". But believe what you want, it'll only separate you further from other patriotic Americans that ain't you or think like you.

"Get back on the Porch"?? that has nothing to do with race, that has to do with emasculating a dude. Like calling Bazooka, Mary. You two might be a little out of touch with the linguistic / slang. Nothing wrong with that, but it would help to know that sort of thing when chatting with folks. Could get silly if you take offense to something that isn't very offensive. Unless of course a person has issues because of a lack of manliness. Not pointing fingers, just saying.

Why do we need to defend Poland or Czechoslovakia? Are they being picked on by someone? Huh?

Huh? Huh?

-- Posted by censored on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 6:24 PM
Bouncer:

Huh? Now that I've thought about it for a bit I hadn't mentioned any certain race earlier, in regards to flags and kids.

Talk about someone pulling the "race card".

-- Posted by censored on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 6:55 PM
Anyone who would object to our flag being displayed or flown should be deported or shot. Their choice.

-- Posted by bazookaman on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 6:04 AM

Shot. Wow.

Extermination of those not sufficiently patriotic. North Korea, right? Also several examples of that in fairly recent history.

Line 'em up, 'Zook. Line 'em up.

Wow.

-- Posted by FNG0312 on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 9:51 AM
So tell me censored you wise ol' sage. Why was it brought up to remove the confederate flag from the flags of several states? Why is it considered racists to wear the confederate flag on a shirt or have a decal on your car? Is the confederate flag a symbol of racism? Was the Civil War fought strictly because of slavery? Or was a large part of it because the states fed up with the federal government limiting states rights and handing down rules telling people how they should love and work? Yes slavery was bad but it was one item on a list of things the southern states objected to. So now certain groups have made the confederate flag a symbol of oppression and racism while people in those southern states feel it's a symbol of their right to be free from federal government control. I persoanlly feel white hoods and burning crosses or a raised fist in a black glove denote racism much more than a flag.

Censored for far to long where I lived in South Central Idaho where kids in the schools were allowed to wear shirts that proclaimed "Brown Pride" but a kid wearing anything with the confederate flag proclaiming his pride at being from the south got him a new shirt or suspended for a day.

I guess it's bad to be white and proud of that fact in this country. Actually from what Obama has been saying it's bad to feel good about being AMERICAN in this country....big ol' bad guys that we are.

-- Posted by mhbouncer on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 12:22 PM
Wise sage huh? Why thank you,....?

Confederate flags, every time I've met someone flying one they have been racist. And in general it's these people that fly that flag, are the norm, in recent times. There's too much water under the bridge, as they say, for that flag to mean anything other then racism. They should come up with another flag and move on. The old south is dead and good thing.

Brown pride t-shirts in school? There ain't no kids running around these schools with that. They too, would be sent home just like the other kids. Maybe you've seen these shirts on the news about rallies or protests but not in the schools. Granted things like that happen from time to time but like all other offensive clothing the kid is told to go change the shirt, turn it inside out or cover it up. Your pushing for some drama, that is not common at all in these schools.

"Focus on the negative and that's all you'll see."

Censored 2009'

-- Posted by censored on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 3:55 PM
Shooting people because they offend you is immoral.

Flags don't offend me. Shooting people for objecting to a flag display is EXACTLY THE SAME as muslims' murder and violence over the cartoons of their 'prophet'- Unjustifiable, ever. Except in Iran, and what is turning into Glennbeckistan.

-- Posted by FNG0312 on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 8:01 PM
Speaking of being offended when someone objects to the exercise of your constitutional rights- here is an article that illustrates exactly that point:

http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/free-to-do-it/Content?oid=1245782

(not approved in Glennbeckistan)

-- Posted by FNG0312 on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 9:07 PM
That's good!

The Un-United States of Beckistan.

And instead of stars on the field of blue there could a silhouette of Becks head with the Nike swoosh for his smile. He needs a sponsor to pay the bills don't ya know.

And just to be fair and competitive, other corporate sponsors could add their symbols along the stripes.

And there would be no more taxes on us citizens because the corporations would willingly fund Beckistan.

(warning this could be satire. this entity is not responsible for any side effects of these words)

-- Posted by censored on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 7:30 AM
Hey FNG, freedom of speech is one thing, violation of state law is quite another. Just for general info it's been upheld in state supreme court that profanity is not protected speech.

TITLE 18

CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS

CHAPTER 64

RIOT, ROUT, UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY, PRIZE FIGHTING, DISTURBING PEACE

18-6409.Disturbing the peace. (1) Every person who maliciously and willfully disturbs the peace or quiet of any neighborhood, family or person, by loud or unusual noise, or by tumultuous or offensive conduct, or by threatening, traducing, quarreling, challenging to fight or fighting, or fires any gun or pistol, or uses any vulgar, profane or indecent language within the presence or hearing of children, in a loud and boisterous manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(2) Every person who maliciously and willfully disturbs the dignity or reverential nature of any funeral, memorial service, funeral procession, burial ceremony or viewing of a deceased person is guilty of a misdemeanor.

Your right to freedom of speech STOPS where it infringes on others rights to a peacful neighborhood.

-- Posted by mhbouncer on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 11:03 AM
Bouncy- Agreed- rights stop where they infringe on another's. Imposing a reasonable limitation, or attempting to, is not cause for someone to be shot. Or for Glenn Beck to start whimpering and crying about the demise of god, flag, and country.

As an aside, it was the US Supremes who upheld written "profanity"-in 1971- and the Idaho stat. you quote has an interesting qualification at the end of 6409(1): "...in a loud or boisterous manner..." 6409(2) is specifically designed to stop Fred Phelps' anti-gay zoo from disrupting servicemembers' funerals.

We should run a test: print one of George's seven favorite words on here. See how long it takes to get deleted. Then, see how long it is before 'Zookers, Kim, or the Glennatollah storm the Mtn Home News, outraged over the "infringement" of a constitutional right.

-- Posted by FNG0312 on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 11:45 AM
Obama's preacher man from Chicago is a racist and he is of color. Jackson is a racist and he is of color. Sharpton is a racist and he is of color. In the 80's Jackson made a pretty interesting "slip" and made racist comments regarding white people and Jews. All in the SAME day. All of the above people demand equality for people of color while they make racist comments about people of other colors. AND...let us not forget Mrs. Obama! All perfect examples that racism is alive and well in the USA...and it lives in the White House (no pun intended). IMHO, people of color spend a lot of time telling me how bad I am because I owned slaves. First, I am 38 years old and have NEVER owned a person in my life. Second, neither did my parents, grandparents or great grandparents. I have never made money or a profit from taking something from a person of color either.

Holding the slave issue against me is like me holding the holocaust against the current German population and any country that did not help the people sooner who were being killed and put in camps (not like it was a secret and the genocide did not go on for some time).

Let us be honest here. If I walked into a store in MH with a white shirt on that said "White Pride" it would not be "okay" nor would I probably be greeted at the WalMart entrance with a smile or a "thank you." However...go into that same store with an Obama shirt on that says "about time" (and I have seen them) it is okay. Explain that one to me! These "color issues" are created by their own (all groups) who preach racial equality out of one side of their mouth and racial slurs from the other.

NAACP. Do the "whites" have such a group (and please do not say the ACLU)?

This is interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow/PUSH_Coalition

And so is this:

http://www.naacp.org/home/index.htm

Or this:

http://www.africanaonline.com/orga_naacp.htm

Wanting borders closed does not make you a racist. Why should people who have NEVER worked a legal day in the US get SS, health insurance, low income housing, etc.? If you do not pay in...you should not get it. If things keep going the way they are, there will be nothing left (and with the debt what it is---there really is nothing left). How ****** off will YOU be after 45 years of working and SS tells you "sorry, we are out of money and have nothing left to pay you with." I suspect it will not be very funny for many when they sit down and do the math and figure out what they have paid in but will not be paid out. Wanting to preserve what little we may have left (Obamanomics v. reality) is far from racism, IMHO.

As far as the flag issue goes, we live in the US and it would stand to reason that we would fly the "American Flag." Some also fly the "state" flag, POW flags, etc. If people object to the display of the "American Flag" in America/the USA, it is those people (who object) that have the problem. They have NO right to complain. If you go to Mexico you do not expect to see an "American Flag" (unless maybe you are at a US Govt. Bldg. there maybe). If you want to fly a British flag in your yard---have at it. If you want to fly a mexican flag in your yard---have at it. If you want to fly an Irish flag in your yard---have at it (or any other flag for that matter)! But to ban an "American Flag" in the US should be a crime. If you do not like it here, leave. Pretty simple.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 12:11 PM
Thanks for the research FNG but you missed the point. I was showing you that the person being interviewed in your link was WRONG about being able to drop the F bomb as a freedom of speech anywhere he liked.

-- Posted by mhbouncer on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 3:44 PM
Wrong, Bouncy- he CAN drop the F-bomb anywhere he likes, even in front of children, according to the state law you posted:"or uses any vulgar, profane or indecent language within the presence or hearing of children, in a loud and boisterous manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor. So, as long as it is NOT "in a loud or boisterous manner", F bombs away.

The point of the previous article being, of course, that while we may have a right to F bombs at our leisure, reasonable people accept reasonable limitations on dropping those F-bombs. Thus, there are times when the "open carry" folks do a disservice to their cause by overreacting when people object in a reasonable fashion. Same kind of thing- tell someone they cant drop the F bomb in a church- that's reasonable. Tell someone they can't bring a dangerous weapon into your store, and Glenn has a meltdown and cries.

-- Posted by FNG0312 on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 4:10 PM
Cantjustwatch:

Texas? Really? You use that state as a proof? Why?

That state is nothing like ours and it doesn't represent the whole USA, statistically. Good try though,...?

Opinionmissy:

So three examples, plus the Obamas, to prove what? Are you another one of those people that believes the whole black community is racist? And I really, seriously, doubt that 'people of color' sit around accusing you of being a slave owner and calling you a bad person. That's friggin ridiculous,...You would seriously have to be throwing turds at people to get them to accuse you of being a slave owner. Your winging it, ain't ya? And please explain to me how the shirt you described is racist? And make your explanation so there is no doubt in my mind that it's racism.

You'll have to excuse me here but you> Opinionmissy and Bouncer are full of it.

-- Posted by censored on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 4:45 PM
So if I was never a slave owner, and I haven't been called one by the black community, then why do I have to pay reparations to them because one of their ancestors farther back than they ever knew was one?

FNG..when have you ever heard someone in public drop an F bomb that wasn't loud and/or boisterous. And honestly..if someone hears it and is offended then the person dropping them is probably gonna get a ticket. Start dropping them in front of my kids like the indiot in the article was doing and there is DEFINATELY gonna be some diturbance of someones peace. THere ys go cnesored....MORE VIOLENCE!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!

VIVA GLENBECKISTAN!!

-- Posted by mhbouncer on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 11:49 PM
Which shirt censored? The rebel flag? the US flag? Or the Brown Pride T-shirt?

-- Posted by mhbouncer on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 11:50 PM
Bouncer are you opinionmissy or just self-absorbed? And do you have dollar amounts for these reparations your paying? Do these payments go toward furthering the invisible cause?

I was talking about opinionmissy's shirt.

Viva Beckistan! Immunda Sus!

It's twilight zone time,....

-- Posted by censored on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 12:53 AM
You guys have got me so paranoid now-days that I even lock the doors I don't own.

-- Posted by censored on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 8:11 AM
Really? MTV? BET? Oprah? Give me a break,...that's pop culture. I don't play with pop-culture. Like your opinion that Texas is representative of all crime statistics in America, I don't play that neither. You can't prove that one group of people is more likely to be criminal then another group by one state alone. There are different factors that contribute to criminal behavior then just race. Each region you visit will have one group or another with larger numbers of incarceration. For example, Idaho has a majority of white folks in prison. Why is that? Because Idaho has more more white folks living here. Does that mean that white folks are more inclined to commit crime in America? Nope. Do Idaho statistics mean that all white people are criminals? Nope.

It all follows,...

And mommy and daddy aren't available anymore.

-- Posted by censored on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 9:35 AM
Cantjustwatch:

You've flipped some numbers there. Here's the link directly to the arrests page of the DOJ, with all race groups named at the top of the page.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_43.html

It all follows,....

-- Posted by censored on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 12:58 PM
How does ya explain that?

-- Posted by censored on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 12:59 PM
cantjustwatch:

You have no clue and just can't admit when you wrong.

And I didn't cut and past, that was your trick to skew your facts. I think it's called cherry picking. I posted a link so people could look at the numbers themselves.

And the majority of the arrested are white, so with your logic all us white people are potentially criminal.

Or is it just that white people are arrested more but charged less then the other nationalities? Hum,... that would be something think about.

Otherwise your argument is void where it began.

And you might consider that you may be the very racist your looking for? Just an opinion.

--------------------------------------------------

Here's some real cut and paste for ya from the same page just so people can see the white side of your numbers:

��In 2008, 69.2 percent of all persons arrested nationwide were white, 28.3 percent were black, and 2.5 percent were other races.

��Of all juveniles (persons under the age of 18) arrested in 2008, 66.4 percent were white, 30.9 percent were black, and 2.7 percent were other races.

��Nearly 70 percent (69.7) of all adults (persons aged 18 and over) arrested were white, 27.8 percent were black, and 2.4 percent were other races.

��White persons were more often arrested for violent crimes than were black persons, accounting for 58.3 percent of those arrests.

��The number of adults arrested for murder and nonnegligent manslaughter was almost equally divided between black arrestees (49.1 percent) and white arrestees (48.8 percent).

��Black juveniles accounted for 51.6 percent of juveniles arrested for violent crimes.

��White juveniles accounted for 64.7 percent of juveniles arrested for property crimes

-- Posted by censored on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 3:55 PM
You can't explain it because you are perpetuating myths all around. Despite the status of arrest/incarceration. The numbers will still show that white citizens are in the majority as prisoners.

Just because you leave out other numbers so your argument will seem true, doesn't make it so.

-- Posted by censored on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 6:58 PM

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