Banning Our Country, Banning Our God

Someone's been watching ol glenn beck whimper, cry and rant again... hopefully, he'll get back on his meds.

I think that this "epidemic" that is spoke of here is more isolated than it seems. I dont see millions of people calling the store manager at Wal-Mart to complain about a decoration. The truth is that most likely a few virulent, chronic complainers made a fuss. Those few do not represent the whole.

Sorry bazooka, but I need to disagree with your statement about beck being passionate. Martin Luther King was passionate, beck is more manic then anything else. Put a video of King next to a video of Beck and you'll see the difference.

One actually feels and believes what he says, and the other 'acts'. One of them believed in real social justice, the other is an entertainer.

Take it how you will, but Beck is just a salesman.

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"A Firefighter is ordered to remove his sticker of the US flag from the front of his locker because it violates policy and is suspended for it. (AP)

An Oregon apartment complex is banning its residents from flying American flags, not only from their dwellings but also their vehicles, KATU in Portland reported. The ban also applies to having one on your vehicle. (Fox News)

A WalMart in Las Vegas banned it's employees from wearing a sticker of an American Flag on their uniform because it was provided to the employees by a Union."

Kim: What else was going on in these stories that caused removal of flags? Was there other statements provided with these flags that offended someone because these 'statements' went against what the flag stands for or what some people think they stand for?

Just curious??

Censored, good questions and here are the answers: James Krapf, 31, an 11-year veteran of the department, disobeyed an order to clear decorations from the outside of his locker, a policy established in August in response to a cartoon that some found offensive. Krapf took down two other stickers from his locker Thursday but refused to remove a small American flag in the upper left corner. He was sent home.

In ALBANY, Ore. - At the Oaks Apartments in Albany, the management can fly their own flag advertising one and two bedroom apartments - but residents have been told they can't fly any flags at all. By Melica Johnson KATU News and KATU.com

One guy has a flag on his motorcycle honoring his son who just left to go back to Iraq. He was told to remove it or face eviction. Another apartment occupant has flown a flag on her car for 11 years and she was told to remove it. When she asked why the manager said, "someone might get offended."

The Walmart case was already explained. The employee wore the flag on their badges. The stickers were just the flag and nothing else, however the reason that Walmart banned it was the fact that a union representative handed it out.

In all three cases, there were no statements along with the flags.

never thought i live to see the loss of our freedoms,the last twenty five years or so.i,m old enough to rememberjust how precious freedom was back in the fifties and sixties but i know the freedoms that kim talks about in her article will not be the last that we lose unite america or bow your heads.!!!!!!!!

Good to see you Tolkien. I think that what is happening in our country today is especially hard on those people who have lived in those glory days of the 50's. The 60's was the beginning of the unraveling but we never would have thought that we'd come this far. And Bazooka, always good to see you. Thanks for the great comments that you post. God bless America. Go watch Red skelton. Beau posted it on my flags blog. It was truly inspirational. Time: 6:30am)

Okay, but the fire-department was policy that all the firemen had to obey and it was not targeting American Flags. 'Nothing' was supposed to be on the outside of the lockers. The inside of the lockers could be full of stickers and other things.

Albany, Oregon: It was ALL flags that were banned on the property. (It was not flag specific) Not too mention the fact that it is (private property) and it is up to the owner what can and cannot be placed on the property. But this case was already resolved.

And Walmart: Lovely walmart, this happened right after 9/11 and like you say it was simply that walmart is anti-union/anti-worker that it happened.But makes you think about where their loyalties are?Again it was private property and the issue was resolved.

You leave info out of the story and you can make stolen barbie dolls into bank-robbers and terrorist.

And I went through privately run media/locally owned news for each of these. Not stations and papers affiliated with media corps or right/left alliances.

Again, like George Carlin, Beck is an entertainer. And yes I believe that most of his followers are just as faulty in the head as he is. There's protest, then there is mania and that is Becks M.O., mania and hysterics.

But that is just my opinion and it's been my opinion since beck and limbaugh lurched onto the scene.

But hey, it's America, so if people want to be crazy and irrational more power to them.

"But hey, it's America, so if people want to be crazy and irrational more power to them."

I could not agree more. Those two that you mentioned are motivated by rational self-interest just like everyone else. They know that if they toned down their act, no one would listen to their shows nor buy their books.

Hey censored, Go buy Becks' new book, Arguing with idiots. You might be offended but the man knows his facts. It's amazing how much spin is out there on the left. Funny thing is he finds the spin and puts his finger on it and shows the TRUTH. You know..the thing that your parents always told you to tell. Show me ONE thing...just ONE that he has lied about. Show me where he has lied about the things Obama and his goons are doing? I rather enjoy his passion. If you had read ANY of his books you would find that his passion is deeper than your TV screen. He truly believes in what he is saying. As for Rush, how could the man be saying what he does just for entertainment? He has taken more hits than President Bush by the left wing media over his comments and stance..and has been proven to be right more often than he is wrong. Beck and Rush have invited left wingers over and over again to come on their shows. Like Mike said he has a phone set up just for the white house. Do they take the offer and come on to defend their policies and statements...hell no. Why? Because they KNOW they don't stand a chance against some one armed with the truth and FACTS. Just look at the damage control Obama has done over the health care plan. Look at how often he and his cronies BLAST Fox News. Why? Because when you are out of arguments to defend your lies then it's time to attack.

Too bad Obama can't take his attack philosophy and apply it to Afghanistan. Just heard he's gonna hold off on his decision to send more troops to Afghanistan until AFTER the November elections....wow..now our men and women dying in Iraq and Afghanistan are nothing more than pawns for political gain. Let's hope AMERICANS see it for what it is and start the avalanch of liberals getting tossed out on their.....

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/oct/15/glenn-beck/beck-s...

And another bit of Beck's b.s.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/cash-for-clunkers/

Thank you Twilcox at least I've written one thing that can be agreed with. I appreciate it. Is self-interest a cause of America's problems or the effect, I wonder?

Bouncer: Was that a veiled insult towards me? Ya know when you mentioned the name of Becks book? Just curious? And again Beck is not passionate, he lacks the internal conscience to be classified thus. As stated earlier by someone wiser than me, his motives are 'self-interest' not social awareness. And why should anyone respond to Becks discourse that's like responding to the school bully that goes around calling people names. If you respond he'll use it against you to sit himself higher on his fake thrown and fake strength.

Bazooka: War strategy is B.S. we just need to get out and let those people have their civil war so they can evolve. Pull the women and children to the side, feed and protect them. But let fighters carry out their war to it's end without our people getting shot. Screw the oil!

Oh yeah, thank you Dave for the new site, new to me. It's very well rounded, all sides taken to task.

Umm Censored, If I were to insult you there would be no veil. As for BS, who would protect and feed the women and children while this war raged? Where would this food come from while armies fought? Who would deliver and distribute this food? Would it be like Somalia?

We need to finish the job we told the Afghan people we would.

As for Beck, so you know him personally? Met Him? Had a beer with him? Have you read any of his books? Listened to him speak outside of what you hear on TV? Admit it censored. You don't like him because he's been RIGHT. He calls out your pathetic president and his gang of criminals and shines the light on the cockroaches. He has no problem standing up for what he beleives in. He finds facts to attack the lies told by your president and uses his forum to bring them to the public to decide. Van Jones, ACORN, when the "main" stream media REFUSED to run these stories, Beck probed them and found the truth. Look what has happened....ACORN is finished, Van Jones fired. Explain that to me censored. Explain to me why tens of thousands of people showed up on DC for a huge tea party. A tea party that Beck promoted on his radio and TV shows. Maybe it was because these people have seen the truth and believe that THEY actually can have a say. But wait...no...these people are RWE's and racists. These people are gun toting, bible reading hillbillies that have no clue that the government is here to help. Hmmm..you're right censored...Bazooka and I have been wrong.

We will all wake up tomorrow as subjects! NOT citizens!

Dave, Hate to tell you this but the links you used to support the fact that Beck is wrong are wrong themselves. They use the words Beck used against what was in the poll to back that fact. The fact that ANY doctor would even CONSIDER leaving his practice because of this new Obama Care should scare the hell out of you. THey then use ANOTHER pol to prove that 63% of doctors THEY polled would support health care reform. It's all rhetoric. Most doctors support health care reform that also has tort malpractice reform included.

I can make up a poll that would show that people like censored would vote for Mickey Mouse just by wording the questions to elicit the responses I wanted.

As for the second link. Beck was right..although he may have overstated it. If you logged onto that website and clicked the "I agree" button, your computer and all it's files would have been subject to inspection by the federal government. That's what the disclaimer actually said.

"Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."

This is something the Obama administration put in. The up side is the Supreme Court has ruled that private computers...even those of your local car dealer are just that...PRIVATE. They would actually need a warrant to search and sieze your computer and it's files. BUT we are only a couple of justices from possibly having THAT reversed.

In a debate, people like strong personalities regardless of how right or wrong they are. Being balanced, logical infers a level of doubt in one's position. People don't want to hear doubt or indecision. Beck, Savage, Rush, etc. know this. For their own best interests, they push the envelope. Its not that hard to understand.

Yeah! What he said! Dec 22, 2009. The end of America.

And America would feed and protect them along with all the other nations of the world. Such happines.

It's tea time,....

Oh, right sorry bazooka.

Bouncer: Why don't you try reading some of this guys work. He's more sensible then the guy you profess tells the truth. And he has been an American citizen much longer then Beck. There be the wise sage.

"There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party...and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt--until recently... and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties." -Gore Vidal-

Gore Vidal? You came after me with Gore Vidal? Left wing, liberal, gay, cousin to Jimmy Carter, Gore Vidal? Yeah, THAT will make me admit my faults and turn over a new leaf.

Apparently you haven't read a **** thing I've written but I'm pretty sure I won't care for much this man has to say. And anyone who calls a democrat "cuter, prettier" wasn't around to see Hillary.

Sorry censored, I tend to put myself to sleep at night reading things that stimulate my mind and make me think about the world and what has to be done to fix the direction it's headed.

Bouncer:

And your answer will always be violence. Very stimulating indeed. I think that if God himself came down and slapped you in the face you wouldn't change. You'd call him an illegal alien terrorist and start shooting.

So how long did you read about Gore Vidal?

And whats wrong with being gay?

I thought you said sometime ago that you had a sister that was gay. And a relative killed by Canadian health-care. And family victimized by the 'Black Community" in their attempt to "further their cause". I'm beginning to doubt your families history.

And speaking of, you never did fill me in on exactly what 'the cause' is that they, the Black community, may or may not be furthering?

Give a guy a heads up here. I might want to turn paranoid and without the proper conspiracies I'll have a hard time getting fearful.

Dirty liberals trying to pull one over on censored. Those right-wing democrats have got some nerve.

And why hasn't anyone of you so called patriots spit venom at WalMart for Banning the flag when the employees began wearing them after 9/11?

Kinda got double standards on that right? You'll attack individuals but not big business.

Deflect the question and run to other topics,....

Bazooka:

Do you still shop at wally world?

Just wondering, because a boat load of the products sold at wally world are made in China.(like you mentioned) And last I heard China was a Commie Country.

I'm glad your up late at night protecting the Wal-Mart employees. That's very nice of you. Your kinda like John Wayne but more huggable.

I agree, I agree,....

If it was LIES, they'd be SUEING his butt, and they'd have a RIGHT to!

-- Posted by bazookaman on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 7:16 AM

If I was a politician, I wouldn't waste my spirit, time, energy or finances suing radio and television hosts. Glenn Beck is likely very well advised by a legal department and he knows where the line is. He's about half a bubble off plumb, and he appears frightened; too frightened to be any sort of leader. Picturing Glenn Beck as a soldier under fire, in my mind's eye, I see him as undisciplined and fratricidal.

And speaking of China, this story falls in line with the use of DOT's network.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33439397

The governments computer networks are constantly being probed for weaknesses. Those government employees responsible for the security of their systems take their jobs seriously. Perhaps more seriously than a Wal-Mart employee takes the security of their store.

Whether you're a guest in someones home or a guest on a vulnerable computer network supported by the taxes you pay, you're rightly expected to behave your damned self. If you exhibit behavior that is a threat, either by threatening your host with your gun in your hosts own home, (or by taking advantage of your permitted use of a computer network in order to disrupt the computer network through an engineered attack), your host, (or in the case of the DOT website, the government) has the responsibility to protect their (our) interests.

Censored, there ya go again spinning everything all around. My sis is gay and NONE of your business. I love her, she's my family. Gore Vidal ISN'T. The things I listed are all reasons I wouldn't read him. Just the left wing liberal that he is would be enough.

Right now I'm reading Beck's new book and Darkly Dreaming Dexter. About a serial killer that only kills people like murderers amd child rapists. My kinda guy. After that I'll probably start on my Clancy collection again or WEB Griffin. Both WONDERFUL authors.

Hey Bazooka, keep following the law and carry your weapon anywhere you like.

As for Walmart, I spit venom EVERY DAY! Problem is until something better comes along it's pretty much all we have. I prefer to travel to Boise and shop. I worked for 7 years for KMart and never set foot in our local Walmart until the KMart was forced to close because of mis-management by the CEO and his co-horts, some of who were former walmart management.

Hey Dave, how about Pelosi? How far "off plumb" is she? Or Howard Dean? Bill Maher? Whoopi Goldberg? Hell most of the women on the View Period? Pot meet kettle.

OHHH Yeah..before I forget...my wife's grandmother wasn't killed by socialst medicine in Canada...her needs for proper medical treatment were ignored by the beraeucrats until she died. Big difference. One suggests that is might have been humane. The other suggests neglect.

Sure, Sure. Bouncer, your full of it.

How bout read some Cormac McCarther he wrote No Country for Old Men, The Road and some old west stuff. Change out the authors, spice up your reading, ya know. And I believe this guy is straight, so he's cool by your standards.

And gay, is gay, is family.

You should stop the hate,... it'll eat away your soul until there's nothing left but a bitter husk.

It kind of stinks that large stores show up and destroy local, home grown business. I miss the olden days.

I remember some of those businesses, not all of them though. I am quite a bit younger mind you. My favorite joint was the old music store that was downtown, that you could find odd-ball music that wasn't standard issue radio junk. Like some Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Lead Belly and other delights. Now I gotta go to downtown Boise to get the good stuff. But there are a lot of pretty girls and strange people to talk to in Boise so it's cool.

That was a civil dialogue between us. Things are getting out of control.

Thats the one.

Palmer's Music store?