Cheering for Change

Talk to IDWR regarding water and the river. I also made a reference to an IDWR letter (in the AEHI file) dated September 24, 2008. IDWR can share with you some of their thoughts on this issue. Water rights are already OVER allocated. Farmers who have been allowed to water for years are now not able to do so. Idaho Power controls a great deal of the water on the Snake River. So if it was between Idaho Power, farmers and AEHI and water was low guess who got the short straw? The farmers. I talked to IDWR (a water judge) and the judge said that the nuclear power plant would be the last thing shut down due to low water because taking a nuclear power plant offline is too costly. Guess those poor farmers had better find a new line of work and a new place to live. Change is on the way and they are working on the Development Agreement and new ECCP to prove it. Not to worry farmers...you took one for the team. Bet we get new ECC's after this one! Not a bad job for 3K a month. Nothing is expected and you can pass things off to P & Z when you do not feel you have the ability to decide an issue because you do not know what you are doing (passing the AEHI bucks so to speak). Pretty cush if you ask me.

Sorry farmers. I believe you bought the land you did because you did not want to live on top of other people and wanted the cleaner life, etc. I am sorry that you have less rights than other people in the eyes of those you have elected to protect those same rights. It is a sad situation and we all need an attorney.

P & Z meeting tonight at 7:00 P.M. regarding this matter. It will be at the Legion Hall directly across the street from the P & Z office.

Hi Kim and all,

Thanks for providing the reference for your claim nuclear power can be produced at 1.87 cents / kwhour. Now we can calmly talk specifics. Your source is the well paid lobby group for nuclear power promotors, and that figure is so old it provably does NOT apply to Gillispie's Elmore plant. That is the same source Gillipie uses to falsely promise he can sell at 3 cents/kwhr, and still make a profit. But Gillispie is not telling the truth, according to the French Areva company that designs the EPR he wants to build. That is the reference I used. So we are comparing your rates for plants built in the 50's, with the high rates admitted by the VERY company who designed Donnie's EPR. Here is the Keystone report at http://208.72.156.157/~keystone/files/file/SPP/energy/NJFF-Exec-Summ-6_2007.pdf You can see the authors on page 3, and the true costs on page 11. They admit it costs "8-11 cents /kwhr delivered to the line." You need to add on a few pennies/kwhr for transmission, then add on a few cents/kwhr for Idacorps profit, then a few more for their sister Id Power's profit. But first we have to outbid the Hollywood hot tub heaters who will pay over 16 cents/kwhr for AEHI profit promised to their stock holders! Even this 2007 Keystone report is sort of old, as construction costs have continued to skyrocketed beyond that estimate, and Warren Buffet backed out of his Payette plans because of the cost skyrocketing. Gillispie says he is smarter than Buffet!

So Kim, I have provided the reference for the 20 year contract Raft River has selling power to Idaho Power at 5.25 cents/kwhr! That is why I asked you to correct your repeated claim that nukes are the cheapest source of power. I provided the DOE reference that wind power could double Idaho's electric consumption at 7.5 cents/kw-hr by 2030. That report is from 2008, not the 1950's like the NEI cheerleaders you and Gillispie quote. I believe you have never met him, but it is his plant you are cheering for, isn't it?

And please don't think I am a fan of Al "Snore" Gore and his hypocritical glutteny. Whether global warming is true or not, I have taken no stand. But you have now agreed that 2 nuke plants were shut down during peak heat summer demand, agreeing "Nuclear reactors are shut down if the water temperatures are high due to a heat wave." But Kim, you never admitted your previous statement was totally wrong when you claimed nuclear power is "Not subject to unreliable weather or climate conditions, unpredictable cost fluctuations, or dependence on foreign suppliers." Now you finally agree a simple heat wave shut down 2 nuke plants in peak demand, but you still cheerfully conclude "I seriously doubt shut downs will be an issue." Hmmm, I like to cook my fish on the grill, not in the river :-)

Dear can'tjustwatch, I hope that information did not dwell on the "drama", "emotion" and "immature" that you accuse me of dwelling on. I am glad and respect that you like to stick to facts. I think I have provided more bottom line facts and references than anyone on nuclear power, but yes, I do like to "Chuckle for Change" as Kim coined the phrase. But I have stuck to the facts while posters like Paul Revere have called me a "dill hole" and "A$$*&#@"! (Warnig- If Paul R invites you to lunch, do NOT eat the Dill pickles!) Sorry you don't enjoy low-brow blue collar humor like Mah Man Larry The Cable Guy, but "I got friends in low places" and offer no appologies for dat :-) ...Peter

Aw pete, you told me you liked my pickle...what gives ?

Hi Paul,

I am sure with your charm you will eventually find someone to share your pickle with, but I'll pass. You might look up Larry "Toe-tapping" Craig though. Larry has lot's of free time now, and loves both nuclear power and pickles! With all "due" respect to all, and for Seinfeld fans, umm, "not there's ANYTHING wrong with THAT!"

:-) ...Peter

You talked about my pickle first...public record sissy boy

Dear dear Dr. Pete: While I did admit that you were right that some nuke plants have had to shut down one of their reactors due to hot weather. Let me say it more clearly. In each case that was reported where nuke plants shut one of their reactors down, it was because the river water temperature was over 80 degrees and very shallow, not that the outside temp was over 80 degrees. The water itself was too warm to start with and the regulations state that the water that is put back into the river after being used to cool the core can't be more than 84 degrees. BTW: The water is never exposed to any radiation. Since I searched, spending way too much time reading many boring water documents from DEQ and other water related agencies and couldn't find any evidence to show that even in our hottest days of summer, the river water doesn't get above 63 degrees, I would think that we would not have this problem. So that would mean that the plant will not be subject to unreliable weather or climate conditions.

Hi Kim and all,

Kim, I saw no response on your claim about nuke power being the cheapest. So: "If Areva and OTHER nuclear companies admit, in 2007, that nuclear power costs '8-11 cents/kwhr', why have you not corrected your claim it only costs '1.87 cents/kwhr, and admit that wind and geothermal from Raft River are cheaper, and bountiful?' "

In regards to the summer heat waves that have "so far" shut down 2 nuclear plants DURING high peak demand: Well, the Snake River already battles elevated river temperatures trying to the nutritious salmon alive. You are confusing normal river temperatures for elevated western Idaho, with what is too hot for rivers back east and in the south. In your search you found the Snake no higher than 63 degrees. Please note in the DEQ reference on the Snake river below, they presently battle for the temperature not to exceed 13 degrees Celsius, which equals 55.4 degrees Faranheit. So Gillispie and your NEI lobbyists promote nuke power as the cure to so-called global warming, but being forced to shut down from a heat wave never gets mentioned to innocent citizens doing heart felt research. That is not JUST ironic, it is a serious problem and flaw with putting all our precious mother's eggs in a nuclear basket.

Even toxic New Jersey meets peak summer time heat wave demand by helping families finance rooftop solar. It provides both shade for your house, and perfectly matches heat wave demand. It does pay off for itself eventually, and NJ, like many states have put up thousands of panels while Butch and his "Energy Czar" say "Idaho has ONLY 3 N's in our energy future: Natural Gas, Nuclear, or Nothing." Under Butch's bought off "leadership" we even IMPORT New Jersey's toxic waste to dump at Grandview! But I digress, eh?

Thanks for the explanation CJWatch! Peace...Peter

Found at Idaho DEQ at webpage 7/710. http://www.deq.idaho.gov/water/data_reports/surface_water/tmdls/snake_river_hell... "Elevated summer water temperatures have been measured in both the Upstream Snake River segment near Weiser, Idaho (RM 351), in the Hells Canyon Complex reservoirs, and in the Downstream Snake River segment prior to the construction of the dams. To address salmonid rearing temperature exceedences, point sources discharging directly to the Snake River within the SR-HC TMDL reach have been allocated heat loads corresponding to discharge loads applied to design flows to ensure that the no-measurable-increase requirements will be met." & "To address elevated temperatures occurring during salmonid spawning periods below Hells Canyon Dam, a temperature load allocation in the form of a required temperature change at Hells Canyon Dam was identified such that the temperature of water released from Hells Canyon Dam is less than or equal to the water temperature at RM 345, or the maximum weekly maximum temperature target of 13 °C for salmonid spawning, plus no greater than 0.14 oC."

Had pack some "heat", and bring some heatwave problem ammo from Gillispie's heroes in France and Europe. These are the great European reactors that Dr Abe claimed have been "humming along just fine." Yah, until a lil' ol' heatwave hits, umm, when they need the power the most! I won't get into "great" Areva leaking radioactivity into a river in France last summer, not the drought shut downs, until we resolve the 2 issues at hand, :-) but FYPerusal...Peter

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/health/20iht-nuke.1.5788480.html

During the extreme heat of 2003 in France, 17 nuclear reactors operated at reduced capacity or were turned off. Électricité de France was forced to buy power from neighboring countries on the open market, where demand drove the price of a megawatt hour as high as €1,000, or $1,350. Average prices in France during summer months ordinarily are about €95 per megawatt hour.

From Europe 2006 http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/jul/30/energy.weather

Heatwave shuts down nuclear power plants

The European heatwave has forced nuclear power plants to reduce or halt production. The weather, blamed for deaths and disruption across much of the continent, has caused dramatic rises in the temperature of rivers used to cool the reactors, raising fears of mass deaths for fish and other wildlife.

"Spain shut down the Santa Maria de Garona reactor on the River Ebro, one of the country's eight nuclear plants which generate a fifth of its national electricity. Reactors in Germany are reported to have cut output, and others in Germany and France have been given special permits to dump hot water into rivers to avoid power failures. France, where nuclear power provides more than three quarters of electricity, has also imported power to prevent shortages."

Peter,

the references you cited were interesting, and to me simply illustrate the wisdom of having a mix of electricity producing sources, and a very good and efficient grid.

It is a good thing this proposed plant would be on a cool, large river! Build it already!

But I promised (myself) I would not mess up Kim's new discussion, so I'm outta here. Bye.

Hi Abe,

Umm, before you said, the nuke reactors were all "humming along just fine." How about admitting you were wrong, Abe, instead of just talking about the "wisdom of having a mix of electricity producing sources"? Why does an "expert" like you, the NEI, and your man Gillispie neglect to mention a lil' ol' heatwave shuts your nuke dream down? You and other "experts" lead innocent Kim to believe nuclear power is "Not subject to unreliable weather or climate conditions, unpredictable cost fluctuations, or dependence on foreign suppliers." You admitted you were wrong about how smooth the French construction was going when I corrected you on the other post, but now you are back to catch phrases.

On the other blog you are still claiming I "smeared" the nuclear industry for revealing the latest DOE/NRC documents that admit meltdowns can happen, and containment can break, leading to "catastrophic failure." It is important to admit when you are wrong, Abe, instead of change the subject to a catch phrase.

RE: your present claim "It is a good thing this proposed plant would be on a cool, large river! Build it already!"

Did you actually bother to READ the reference I gave above, from our DEQ that we are ALREADY battling a river that is overheated? Read before you cheerlead, please. :-)

Do you understand your man Gillispie claims he can run this 1,600 MW reactor with only 100,000 gallons of water a day? Areva, that designed the EPR, says that is NOT even CLOSE to the truth, what us commoners call a lie. But let's not discuss the water usage flaws until you understand the temperature of the Snake is already too hot, and until you admit you understand what the DOE/NRC mean by "catastrophic failure." Respectfully, but still teasing you gently about the deadly details...Peter

I would like to know what kind of economic (jobs, cheaper electricity, etc.) benefit this nuclear power plant would be to Mtn. Home specifically, and you have yet to introduce that into your blog. From what I understand and have studied/read on this nuclear power plant that they are going to hire a very educated workforce to run this plant, and not the average person that lives in Mtn. Home with say a high school diploma, and maybe some college, but no degree. This isn't going to be like INEL, INEEL, INL, or whatever they are going by today, this is going to be a relatively way smaller scale nuclear plant. My parents have argued with me saying it's going to create construction jobs, and all that, but as we know construction comes and goes... Also is this power going to be sold to Idaho Power FOR SURE, or is going be sold to California, or Colorado? If that's the case I wouldn't recommend having this nuclear power plant in your backyard....

The risk outweighs the benefit, especially if there isn't going to be a true benefit in the first place.

Ah yes, the warm Snake! When I worked at Hanford and lived in Richland I would drive all the way to the Snake at Ice Harbor Dam to swim with my kids because it was noticeably warmer. What a blessing! Brrrr on the Columbia!

The real question ought to be, how much warmer will this already warm river be, for how long each year, and is that acceptable and from what point of view? I have no answers for that question.

I will just mind my own business from this point on. Elmore County, bonne chance, et au revoir!

Hi Abe,

Well, you sorta admitted you were wrong, Abe, but not directly, for a guy who is an "expert" that worked for DOE and is still working in the nuclear business,and has promoted Gillispie's plant for 4 days on Kim's blog. Can you say "Peter was right again"? As Mr Rogers would say "Sure you can"! :-)

What you just tried to divert attention to, what you call, the "real questions", are really easy to answer Abe. You really don't know how much warmer the discharge water will be, yet you continue to promote it to Elmore citizens?

You forgot to answer my easy questions, like "Do you understand your man Gillispie claims he can run this 1,600 MW reactor with only 100,000 gallons of water a day? Areva, that designed the EPR, says that is NOT even CLOSE to the truth, what us commoners call a lie."

Come on Abe, you know Gillispie can't run this monster water sucker on 100,000 gallons a day. The "real question" is will he suck everybodies well dry TRYING to run this nuke plant?

Hi FormerMtnHomie,nice to have you thinking about your old home town! This is a merchant plant that tells it's stock suckers they will sell to the highest bidder and the "west coast market." That is true, they are out for profit, as is their right if this plant is allowed. Gillispie likes word games, so he says to Elmore (but will never puts in written contract) that he "will offer it to Idaho first." The key word here is "offer." California buys power for at least 16 cents /kwhr, MUCH more than Idaho pays. So the bidding starts there! He can save some pennies on transmission by "offering it" to Idaho first at that price, or a few pennies less. See above that wind and geothermal are cheaper for Idaho. Raft River geothermal is "contracted" with Id Power at 5.25 cents/kwhr.

Mt Home would see a large influx of construction workers for as while, bringing a flood of kids in to choke your schools, and all sorts of big city bad habits. All the nuclear engineers in Elmore WILL have a high paying job though! :-) But I am sure some locals will actually be hired for some jobs. Gillispie promises lots more jobs than he can deliver, but maybe Tim will jump in, as he has researched that well. Check his twilcox blog on nukes, as he has written extensively on the more realistic jobs number etc...Peter

How many jobs will it bring? You say this and others say that! I don't care about the exact numbers. What I care is that new jobs are coming. For me? No, I'm perfectly happy and grateful that I have a good job. This is jobs for others. Yes, there are going to be alot of high-paying jobs for people with degrees who will come from out of county and state. What the heck is wrong with welcoming new people? New people who will buy up some of the hundreds of homes sitting empty. New people who will bring their children along with their money to pay more taxes so that we can hire more teachers and pump more money into the educational system. Maybe we could finally get the upgrades that we need for our schools! New money for all of the business owners in town. New people who will buy milk, bread, gas for their cars, supplies for their new homes and pay property taxes!

And maybe the jobs that local people will get may not be as many in numbers as quoted, but it will still be more jobs than we have now. There are stacks and stacks of people who have filled out applications from the county as well as other counties. Those people from other counties will move here and again all their support will be a great thing for local business.

Newspaper Article: "According to an IEC economic impact study, the plant would grow employment in Elmore and Owyhee counties by 25 percent and produce a total combined county income impact of $52.3 million during operation.

The study also showed that building one reactor would contribute $2.6 billion to the state's economy while generating $74 million in state tax revenue per annum." So what if we only get half of what is projected? Yippee! Employment grows 12% instead of 25% is still growth! The county gets an increase in revenue of half of $52 million is still 25 million more than we have now. And what about the state tax revenue? Okay, half of $74 million could make a difference in the conditions of the roads etc which in turn provides more jobs to spend that extra tax money. Oh, this a horrible thing for us to stomach. More money will be flowing through-out our state and I get negative remarks like "flood of kids in to choke your schools, and all sorts of big city bad habits." So I guess, now we need to start screening everyone who decides to move here with a list of criteria that they must fulfill or we will just tell them to turn around and get out! Do we tell the military people coming from "Big-City" community that they are not welcome here?

What could the county do with that extra revenue? How will it benefit the people? The list would be too long. New money can only bring solutions to many of our problems. Upgraded equipment, more jobs for fire and police, more money to fund special projects like a recreation center, more parks and recreation. I just don't know why any of those things will be bad for our community. What I do know is that no matter what positive thing that I could write about, there will be a two negative things to counter it. What has always amazed me is that people, in general will find something to complain about no matter the situation. I have listened to people in a good-paying job with excellant benefits complain. I've listened to complaining in all situations and felt nothing but frustration that people can't be grateful for what they have. Someone could be paid $18 an hour to do work that requires no real education or skill yet spend their days complaining to everyone else about one thing or another. So I accept that no matter what, there will be more opposition. For those of you in the county that can shift through the BS and see the potential, show your support. Houses are empty and people are moving away. Each one of those empty houses is lost revenue to the people. Every property that has been left idle causes problems for us all. Build the plant and provide more to our community. I welcome the fresh blood to add to the pool of talented people living here. Some people who have "big-city bad habits" may just discover a new lifestyle and change their lives forever. (time 7:10am)

Kim,

The new "high paying jobs for people with degrees who will come from out of county and state" will be there, but will these folks and their families choose to live in Elmore County or in Boise? I believe the vast majority of those families will choose Boise where they can find "suitable" housing, schools and entertainment. They may spend a few bucks for lunch at some of our better eating establishments or the occasional tank of gas in the Beemer, but the majority of the money will go to Ada County.

With very few exceptions, the military folks that come here are very adaptable. I don't know how many people have told me that they cried the first time they drove from town to the base, but after being here for a while said they would cry the last time they made the drive too.

As I have stated before, in my opinion the average Mountain Homey will be no better off than they are now. IMO of course.

Yes...all of that money AEHI will pump into our economy! Was that before or after the huge tax credit they will be given? Correct response...before tax credit figures. If it seems too good to be true...it probably is. As Arlie Shaw said, buyer beware.

Jtrot...regarding what you stated. Mark P. stated at one of the hearings that most people who work in a facility such as this would choose to live in Boise because MH does not have the services that people need or want here that make that kind of money. So, with that said, how is this really going to help us? The study Kim uses for her blog was done for another county and is out of date. If you are going to compare apples to oranges fine but at least admit that is what you are doing. We are nothing like Owyhee County and that report should not even come into play for MH/Elmore County.

Hey thanks can'tjustwatch! I actually thought of you when teasing Abe in my Mr Rogers catch phrases style, wondering if the slight sarcasm would blur the message. But thinking of the wonderful Mr Rogers made me chuckle, and I'm glad to hear you appreciated the info!

Kim, you are now focusing ONLY on jobs, but please correct or defend the 2 main points that you tried to make here promoting nuclear power. You still claim nuclear power is the cheapest energy source that is not subject to weather changes. So again...

1) So: "If Areva and OTHER nuclear companies admit, in 2007, that nuclear power costs '8-11 cents/kwhr', why have you not corrected your claim it only costs '1.87 cents/kwhr, and admit that wind and geothermal from Raft River are cheaper, and bountiful?' "

2)Why does an "expert" like Abe, the NEI lobbyists, and AEHI's Gillispie neglect to mention a lil' ol' heatwave shuts down their "nuclear Renasoince"? Will you please correct your claim nuclear power is "Not subject to unreliable weather or climate conditions, unpredictable cost fluctuations, or dependence on foreign suppliers."

On your anything for a job philosophy. I have provided the DOE wind power report reference, and DOE admits that will provide thousands of high paying jobs and tax revenue, and can double Idaho's present electric consumption. After construction they need 1 technician to maintain every 5 windmills, and they still produce for 7.5 cents/kwhr. So it is not a case of this nuke plant or "nothing."

Most of us raise our kids to resist the lure of easy money. It is hard to "just say NO" when offered easy money for risky behavior, but it is wise advice. Gambling AEHI will never make a construction mistake, gambling the inspectors will find the hundreds of construction safety flaws that Areva has been fined for, is indeed a GAMBLE, not a "conservative family value." While a gambler is willing to bet the family farm on a crap shoot, nuclear power bets evrybodies farm, everyday, that nothing will go wrong.

I'd like to introduce the medical journal paper that reveals elevated childhood leukemia rates found near Germany's well regulated "normally operating" nuclear power plants, that have not had an accident, but let's clear up your first 2 claims before we discuss that, OK Kim? ...Peter

Just so that others are not swayed by that 1.87 cents per KWh number. That is based on plants that have been in existence for decades and have long since paid off any debts they may have had. New reactors at existing sites have a much lower cost than a standalone unit like the one that is spurring this debate. The Hammett unit will not produce power at that rate. Using proven methods like probability, sampling, and econometrics the likely rate will be between 8 to 13 cents per KWh for the AEHI unit.

Right you are Tim, and I did leave out the caveat from the Areva written Keystone report, that is the cost "delivered to the line." Gotta tag on more money for profit for AEHI, transmission costs, and profit for the utility companies that buy before delivery to anyone's home. Still politely waiting for Kim to say NEI mislead her...Peter

Hi all,

While I await Kim's response on the two issues that started this blog, the cost and the influence of heat waves on nuclear power, I want to share some "perspective" on the promise of $80,000/yr great jobs, and the "wonderful benefits". The two emails I paste below are from a INL worker that was referred to me for help on her claim from a local oncologist, or cancer Doc. While I have documented solid references, and will post the peer-revied study from a well regulated nuclear power plant in Germany that found the closer you live to that nuclear power plant, the higher the rate of childhood leukemia. This is not a "scare tactic." As Ron Regan wisely said to the pacifist disarmament Democrats "There IS a bear in the woods." I am almost reluctant to post this, since I have to hide the workers name, until they decide to come out to the media. So take this with any skepticism appropriate. But it is the real bear in the woods for real nuclear workers. Most never get compensation for their cancers having to "prove" nothing else caused their cancer etc. But I was able to search up two peer reviewed papers that linked her exposure to her CML, or Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia, and just recently they won some comepensation that will help her now debt, and help further treatment costs. It took them 3 years of blood, sweat, and tears. They would give anything to have never worked at INL, despite her finally getting some help, which many workers never do. She wrote me this one year ago today, when the news of my arrest for "trespassing at Gillispie's public meeting" hit the news where they live. Sorry I can't provide the url like my other statements, but had to share...Peter

"Hello Peter,

I don't see how they could do that? It's a public meeting. People need to know the truth. After 17 years on the INL and doing the hard work I only made at the most 45,000 a year. Not 80,000 and then they can lie just like I was lied to by DOE contractors. Convenient but it seams that they lost a lot of my RAD records. Those people can and will get things like my CML and not just the workers. Then they can be told things like it is very unfortunate but some people just get cancer like the NIOSH examiner told me on the phone. But it is not over yet but they have a lot of loop holes. And of course if a person in Idaho does get a cancer like mine there is really NO place in the state to get full treatment for it. I'm lucky in my case to have EEOICP and the fact that they picked up on the chemical exposure to pay for my medical. Even with SSD it takes 26 months to get medicare and they don't pay all of the costs. Of course if your under 65 and do get medicare, then you can't get a supplement as I now have a preexisting cancer. Gleevec only costs about 5000. a month. Even 20% of the cost for a bone marrow transplant would be devastating. That is if the person survives the treatment, because there is no cure. I know for a fact that the state of Idaho will not help in this kind of case. The only reason I have EEOICP benefits is I worked in cold war times for a covered DOE faculty. All this for money! One lie on top of another. The workers won't make the money they just get sick!

Thanks for your work,

Good luck"

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This email was sent to me by them 2/28/08

"Thanks for the note peter,

I just talked with a very dear friend that still works at INTEC (CPP) This week they had an insentient at the RAWL building Lab. Where some fitters are working on some of the drains trying to stop them up so they won't drain into the tanks anymore. Some of the workers got an up take of seaseam and plutonian. They are telling the workers not to worry as it will go away. ( But not in there lifetime) . She said they are trashing all of the computers and everything. I have picked up waste in this building manytimes, my friend works in this building. This has something to do with a sump that has been uncovered for years. I know that they had a water leak from a sink that leaked onto the floor that was never fixed, when I was there. Bet we won't see this on the news! Building contaminated 3 workers with internal plutonian contaminations! ---"

Back to more documented problems. But first, I had meant to add in the previous post that indeed nuclear power worker studies usually reflect good health, sometimes better, and this INL lady was at INL, not directly in a nuclear power plant, but those were her thoughts. But all the INL worker problems are indeed related as the work needed to perpetuate this so-called Nuclear Renaissance. Above our water supply they are opening new plutonium particle dumps for these new projects, while leaving 90% of the buried leaking plutonium they promised to get ALL out, since 1970, and again in 1995. That is in a flood zone and flows into the Snake River. It DOES matter to Elmore County's future generations. Gillispie directly touts INL as a great asset that will magically recycle his waste without any problem. So not true on so many levels...But I digress.

Here is part of what I presented to the P&Z hearing, but what the ECC's would not let me mention. But it specifically relates to the CP's "protection off the rural quality of life." Emergency evacuation will be part of your children's way of life now, not just 4-H training. Not a scare tactic, just the truth and a warning, "There IS a nuclear bear in the woods." Evacuation training will be mandated by Homeland Security in Elmore and surrounding Counties, in case of an accident or terrorist strike causing a meltdown and breach of containment. That is the law because it is a real threat. Potassium iodide pills will be passed out to prepare for emergency evacuation. They will help a little bit as you flee the area, but only on one of the radioactive element spewing in the fallout, radioactive iodine-131. MUCH better than nothing and unprepared. The goal is to try to fill your thyroid, and your children's extra sensitive thyroid glands, with some safe inert iodine, trying to stop as much of the radioactive I-131 you are now breathing, from absorbing directly into your thyroid gland. But how many miles away from the plant will families be prepared with these pills has been a matter of debate in Congress, and with the so-called safeguarders, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The NRC recommended downplaying any meltdown threats and wanted to keep the pills for children just within 10 miles of the plant. But a meltdown can blow this radioactive plume much further, causing thousands of thyroid cancers, 80 miles away or more. The NRC decided it would confuse people, and may delay evacuation, and they should rely mainly on evacuation, and crop and livestock impoundment to minimize the cancers caused. Swell. Oh yah, they were concerned it might undermine people's faith in safety. Hmmm, stupid citizens. I'm sure the traffic jam at the schools upon evacuation will go smoothly. Twin Fallls will be evacuated too, and maybe Boise, depending if the southern Nevada winds are blowing. It'll go world wide, but only the wind will know who gets the highest dose, and who's farmland will not be lived in for decades, but Elmore is ground zero for sure. Can't build one in Hollywood, but you will have to outbid them. Not even a guaranteed discount rate would make this gamble worth while. Here is what the NRC safety guys said,

"The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has long opposed wider distribution of potassium iodide pills, arguing that evacuation and protection from contaminated food are more effective ways to prevent cancer. The NRC also has expressed concern that pill distribution could undermine public confidence in the safety of the nation's nuclear plants." Found at

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-01-28-nuclear-pills_N.htm

You know Peter, here is a revelation that you may find hard to stomach. You are not always right and I do not owe you anything! Since you are neither my husband nor my boss, I am not obligated to come to any compromise to soothe your ego. I have stated my opinions and written what I learned and the conclusions I have come to. Yet you demand that I owe you something. You have done that to others as well. Why do you feel the need to show you are superior in order to feel good about yourself? I'm sorry that you feel that way but I'm not going to appease you. Don't have to and don't need to. I have been polite and read all of your blogs. I don't like the scare tactics. Technology and saftey have come a long long way. I am not afraid of this nuclear plant. I am convinced that nuclear power is a great alternative. However, I have always stated that it is my opinion and have always felt that everyone else is entitled to theirs. I will continue to read what others say but that in no way obligates me to comment or agree nor does it mean that I would owe someone an explaination. This is not some game where people are keeping score but you seem to think that you are way ahead and that I should be calling "uncle". Didn't work when I was a kid and no matter how much it hurt as my brother twisted my arm, I never cried "uncle". This is not a game and you are not in the lead.

Hi Kim,

Where did I supposedly say you "owed" me something??? Indeed, I am not your "uncle", nor ever asked you to call me that. I simply asked you to correct the 2 claims you started this blog with, while promoting, and in your own words, "Cheering" for Elmore to acceot Gillispie's plans, specifically,

"1) So: "If Areva and OTHER nuclear companies admit, in 2007, that nuclear power costs '8-11 cents/kwhr', why have you not corrected your claim it only costs '1.87 cents/kwhr, and admit that wind and geothermal from Raft River are cheaper, and bountiful?' "

2)Why does an "expert" like Abe, the NEI lobbyists, and AEHI's Gillispie neglect to mention a lil' ol' heatwave shuts down their "nuclear Renasoince"? Will you please correct your claim nuclear power is "Not subject to unreliable weather or climate conditions, unpredictable cost fluctuations, or dependence on foreign suppliers."

If you refuse to admit you are wrong, that is your priveledge. You can decide to believe the NEI lobbyists you quote, and avoid the specifics and change the subject to, "I don't like the scare tactics. Technology and saftey have come a long long way."

OK, you "believe" the is no "bear in the woods." I hope others are not afraid to admit they are wrong. Respectfully...Peter

Ask and answered. The problem is that you accept no answer that isn't saying, "I'm wrong and you're right!"

Previously states: Every incident that I read where plants were shut down were due to shallow water that's temperature had been above 82 degrees. Nuclear reactors are shut down if the water temperatures are high due to a heat wave. In our snake river, DEQ stating that the water temp is warmer are referring to being 63 degrees because of salmon who need it to be much cooler. As it pertains to the plant, the water temperature would have to rise 20 degrees before it would have to shut down. That's a stretch for our cold water. Since we have had days where the heat is in the 100's and the water on the Snake hasn't risen above 63 degrees, then I've addressed your issue.

You take situations that don't pertain to our climate from other areas to make a point against nuclear plants not having to rely on weather. The other issue about the cost per KwH. You have made plenty of points about that so why do you feel the need to make me say I was wrong? I won't argue over numbers. I will restate again. Nuclear power as compared to the cost of hydropower, coal and oil is more efficient and low-cost. I am done rehashing the same thing.

I know I am the big, rude nasty guy with an attitude problem, but....

Does anyone else see that the same 4 or 5 people on here are anti-nuclear and no matter what you say, they berate you ? I have a good friend and co-worker that has attended all the meeting in the past two years and he has told me that the past few months there was 90% plus support for the plant to go ahead, only a few in opposition. I think safety and engineering have to be working hand in hand and the safety/hazmat and emergency planning has to be flawless. More supporters need to get on here, and both side need to look at the pro's and con's. Those that support the plant have agreeded that past safety issues are a problem and there are issues to be addressed. However, those opposed simply are throwing fits like a child when somebody dosen't agree with them, and then resort to sling mud to try and make that person look stupid and at the same time inflate their ego. I have admitted I have stock in AEHI. I also was under the assumption that Nuclear power was the direction America needed to go because, as a Military guy, I see the importance of Energy independence and weening ourselves off of fossil fuels. I invested with the idea that it was a win-win situation for me. One more step for America, plus maybe I could make a little money for my family when I retire.

This post has gotton out of control, and has turned into a Viper room fueled by emotions, fear, ignorance and self intrests. I am being brutally honest here, and can't wait to see the responses. There has to be a happy medium, althought you can't make everyone happy all of the time.

Ya know Doc, try throwing up a new Hydro Dam and see how much MORE flak you get from the environmentalist. They already want to blow up all the damns up and down the Columbia and Snake. They could give two cents about what the loss of those damns would do to the economies of several states. To top it off, where would they plug in their cute little electric cars? Try building an oil or coal fired plant. The loonies would come out of the woodwork shouting about our carbon footprint. Natural gas is a better option but once again it uses fossil fuels that are finite in origin. So that leaves geo, wind and nuke. Geothermal means tapping into places that actually have geothermal areas. Good for them...bad for us. It's not cheap and hardly efficient to convert geo to electricity. Wind has it's own draw backs. You speak so highly about the wind turbines on Cottrell Mountain. I lived in that area. There was a grass roots effort to keep those from being built to due to the safety of those using the area. A fear of a blade coming off and being slung half way across the county in one of our ever present wind storms. Not to mention all the acres of ground it takes up to put in enough of them to be profitable.

So we come back to nuclear. Does it have problems? Yes! More than any of the other options? Yes and no. There is a waste issue but as far as the environmental issues Kim is right. Having lived here for my entire life, I know how refreshing it was to jump in the river as a kid to cool own on a scorching day. Even the water in the many canals where I grew up never got above 65-68 degrees. And those are shallow and relatively slow moving. The biggest threat to the water in the river won't come from a nuclear plant. It's already here. It comes from too many farmers drawing ground water from the aquifer. Water that is put on ground by sprinkler so it doesn't seep back down to the aquifer. It means water that isn't making back to the river. On top of that, farmers are using more chemicals to make sure they have enough crops to take to maret. These chemicals get back into the water system. Want proof? Go down to the Snake River near Hagerman in late summer. The water level is low, the moss and algae is out of control. Why you ask? Because little of the water taken from the river makes it back and what does is full of chemicals. I wish I had a dollar for every time I've had to stop and clear the prop on my boat from all the stuff in the river.

Once again I will state that AEHI might not be the right company to build the proposed plant but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Doc you might have one of the longest screen names on this blog but that by far does not make you smarter than anyone else on here. A little research and a good knowledge of the area means alot to people around here. In my lifetime I've seen a lot of people who are called Doctor have to be corrected by people who actually have practical knowledge of the problem. hundreds of books read and 8 years of college doesn't give you common sense. Trust me.

Hi Kim, mhbouncer and all,

MHBouncer, you say above "Geothermal means tapping into places that actually have geothermal areas. Good for them...bad for us. It's not cheap and hardly efficient to convert geo to electricity." And you scold me "Doc you might have one of the longest screen names on this blog but that by far does not make you smarter than anyone else on here. A little research and a good knowledge of the area means alot to people around here."

I have never asked anyone to believe me because I am a podiatrist, and never bragged I was smarter nor had more common sense, like you do above. I have said "I quote the experts, you decide!" So I have provided the reference previously where Idaho's Raft River has been providing Idaho with a 24/7 steady baseload of power at the cheap rate of 5.25 cents/kwhr, cheaper than Areva says they can produce your nuke power.

So you are free to lecture me about how expensive geothermal is, and how doctors don't have the "common sense" that you do, but that is a 20 year contract Raft R signed.

You and Kim can read our DEQ reference I provided that says they are ALREADY battling an overheated Snake River that needs to be at 55.4 degrees, and then continue to claim that the Snake's temperature in the 60's can be heated safely even more, comparing it to normal temperatures of rivers in southern states where the heatwaves have shut down nukes. It is your right to call that "common sense. I do agree 100% with you that we already have water problems in the Snake when you said "Go down to the Snake River near Hagerman in late summer. The water level is low, the moss and algae is out of control. Why you ask? Because little of the water taken from the river makes it back and what does is full of chemicals." It is your man Gillispie who will suck everyone's well dry and tap the Snake as well. Why does Areva admit Gillispie is lying when he claims he will only use 100,000 gallons per day, and have water left over to water the crops. Kim said that is true in her previous blog, but it is clearly a lie according to Areva. Why call me names for insisting innocent citizens hear the truth?

Kim, you are still confusing the 80 degree heat of rivers in the south that triggered shut downs and insisting we can cook the Snake up into the 70 degree range without hurting the salmon, that DEQ battles to keep at 55.4 degrees. Why say I have ego problems because I gently document you are wrong. You say above "You take situations that don't pertain to our climate from other areas to make a point against nuclear plants not having to rely on weather." No, I provided documents that DO pertain to our climate. You insisted nuke was the cheapest, so why am I a bully to ask you to admit that was wrong, instead of blaming my ego while you shift your wording to simply call it "low cost"? Why did Warren Buffet back out of building in Payette because nuclear power is "too expensive", yet I am the bully for pointing out you have not understood that yet.

Paul, only 3 people testified in favor of the plant at the P&Z hearing. That is not 90% as you claim. It is a tad ironic that you want to label me as someone who will not be reasonable and "berates" anyone who won't agree when you say "Does anyone else see that the same 4 or 5 people on here are anti-nuclear and no matter what you say, they berate you ?" It is beyond ironic that you lecture me on manners saying "This post has gotton out of control, and has turned into a Viper room fueled by emotions, fear, ignorance and self intrests." Why is quoting Areva on the true cost of nuke power and the true water consumption ignorant and emotional Paul? Who has been "out of control", ignorant, and like a viper, if not just you? But you are the poster boy for the "common sense" of the stockholders at AEHI.

I have never said I was superior or smarter than anyone. I consider sharing the documents on safety flaws my duty to innocent citizens because they contradict Gillispie who claims meltdowns never can happen, and containment can never fail, and lies about water consumption and cost. Here are a few quotes from Kim claiming she has done all the research and smart people should think like her, from her original post...Peter

"Will the people be smart enough to benefit from being one of the first to have a state of the art facility with the newest most advanced technology? Why let some other state and county reap the rewards? We have a great opportunity!"

"I don't come to this conclusion without researching it. I hope that you will do the same."

"I'm saying that nuclear power will be the energy of the future. Why let other states get this plant?"

"Anti-nuclear protesters will always be here just as anti-anything will always be at the ready to oppose anything."

"I really must say that through out all the facts and B.S. that has been written, I am still at the same point. I believe that the plant should be built and that nuclear power is the way to go for our energy needs."

Pete,

You just don't get it do you ? There you go again calling me a "Poster boy " nice. Its not your content, its your "Tone" of your communication.

I am sure you remember that from College English ? Am I one to use a caustic tone, yes I am. And I admitt it. Thats the difference between you and I.

No Paul, I get it. Folks like Kim have never attacked me like you have, so the discussion stays civil, even though we still disagree. But I have admitted I often use a bitter sense of humor when attacked by people like you. Laughter is good to relieve stress.

Since you seem to have forgotten I did proudly admit that, here is what I said above.

"I think I have provided more bottom line facts and references than anyone on nuclear power, but yes, I do like to "Chuckle for Change" as Kim coined the phrase. But I have stuck to the facts while posters like Paul Revere have called me a "dill hole" and "A$$*&#@"! (Warning- If Paul R invites you to lunch, do NOT eat the Dill pickles!) Sorry you don't enjoy low-brow blue collar humor like Mah Man Larry The Cable Guy, but "I got friends in low places" and offer no appologies for dat :-) ...Peter

No you don't. You have had as many people or more complain about your "bitter sense of Humor" as you called it, then my Posts. (Please don't go back thru the archives and run a stats report) AND...I am an *** on purpose ! Your not helping releive anybodys stress. Your adding to it. We are all very impressed with your cut and paste skill's...not! Anyways pete, keep on keeping on.

People like you is why I put the uniform on everyday. I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will give my life so that you can say it. Later...

Nuclear aside, all of the previous entrepreneurial ventures that had Mr. Gillispie involved tanked or were not sanctioned by the SEC. That is not to say that he cant get this one right. Each situation is unique. If the public can accept the truth that the power generated in Hammett will without exception leave the state, then let them decide.

The cost of producing power under this design is not going to be below 2 cents per KWh. Once this unit has been in use for many years, that could be a possiblility. There is no way to say for sure when that threshold will be reached. Clever programs and economists will theorize but no one can predict the future.

If he was wise, they would try to build one closer to an existing unit. The savings would be immense and the opposition less virulent. It is simple good business sense.

But I have admitted I often use a bitter sense of humor when attacked by people like you....???? People like YOU, Paul? Or should that read people like US?

Pete, you've taken facts from where? The government? Yeah, they are ALWAYS right. The DEQ, Parks Service, USDA..all of them are FULL of bleeding heart LIBERALS. Face it both sides of FACTS are scewed to represent THEIR side. I can go out and grab any number of websites, cut and paste THEIR information and try to convince you that there are aliens on the moon and that the Loch Ness monster is indeed real. Doesn't make it TRUE. As for the temperature of the Snake river in the Magic Valley. Because of chemicals in the river, the damming of the river for agriculture, and the use of aquifer water, the river in this area is LOW, SLOW and full of moss. At the river's origin in Wyoming it isn;t like this. As you get past the fertile valleys in Southern Idaho it isn't like this. Cool, mountain streams feed this river along it's way and changes it from what we have here to what we have in western Idaho and Eastern Oregon and Washington. As for salmon....how do they get around the dams to get here. Someone please tell me the last time they saw a salmon in Southern Idaho? It's not the temp of the water but these aren't their historic breeding grounds. Not since we put in damns. Am I saying we need to quit farming, am I saying we need to blow up the damns for the fish, hell no. I enjoy a good baked spud as much as the next guy.

IF the water warms as much as you claim Pete, then the fisheries for warm water fish will increase. Yes it will be sad that the salmon won't migrate this far and spawn but crappie, bass and cats will flourish. Trout seem to be impervious to the warm water as I can tell you. I've caught some of the biggest rainbows in my life near Hagerman. As a matter of fact there are virtually NO Rainbows in Redfish Lake near Stanley because the water is too COLD. Unlike most environmentalist I don't think we need to have every species of native fish in every lake and stream. I don't remember seeing a lot of bears and elk in the areas I hunt pheasant and geese. And since we are seeing how smart the environmentalists are over the nuke program, remember they are the ones who wanted NON-NATIVE wolves introduced into the Idaho mountains. They are the ones who stopped the fishing for bull trout in the central Idaho streams because they supposedly were nearing extinction, not thinking that the main food source for these fish are SALMON AND STEELHEAD SMOLT. And then they whine and boohoo when there are so few Sockeye Salmon returning to Redfish. Yup, environmentalist are so very smart to tell you how damaging a nuke plant would be to the ecosystem here...but aren't they part of the same group that supports Al Gore and his fantasy film he made on global warming.....Nice computer graphics to support that one.

Howdy mhbouncer,

RE: Your accusation "But I have admitted I often use a bitter sense of humor when attacked by people like you....???? People like YOU, Paul? Or should that read people like US? Pete, you've taken facts from where? The government? Yeah, they are ALWAYS right. "

I was clearly talking to Paul, so don't try to put words in my mouth and pretend I am attacking the good people of Elmore County! It was Paul who insists Elmore people are all "backwards" and "idiots", so defend him if you want to. I have said before. "Many doctors I know have no common sense, and we all have flaws. I usually learn more from people without degrees."

Do you really believe I trust everything the government and Al"Snore" Gore say? I have already called Gore a hypocritical glutten on these blogs.

When Gillispie claims meltdowns can never happen, and containment never fails, yes, I will quote the deeply hidden DOE/NRC documents that there really are containment flaws that can lead to "catastrophic failure." If the officials admit it, why should you blame me for correcting Gillispie's lies to innocent Elmore citizens. Gillispie claims the NRC will safeguard everything, so it seems fair to quote their bottom line that shows Gillispie lied about containment perfection. I quote the experts, you decide. I quote the DOE/NRC on how cyber-terrorism can lead to a disaster at a nuclear power plant, and Gillispie claims nuclear power plants don't use computers. Gillispie sold stock in previous schemes to "Harvest Lightening", but never broke ground on his scheme, just broke the stockholders bank. You decide...Peter

Pete,

I really don't have anything left to say to you. So, If you could leave me out of your future post I would really appreciate it.

G Wolf

Proposed Elmore county Nuclear Power Plant

Things to consider:

1) The heavy equipment and materials brought in to build the plant and the every day workers traffic damaging our roads.

Who pays for the road repairs, We the taxpayer? We get shafted.

2) The waste material from building the power plant.

Tons of this will go in OUR landfill. We get shafted again.

3) The used rod storage.

Will they be stored in this state or out of state, and who pays for this for years and years to come?

Do we get shafted again?

4) The company said the plant would look like a large A/C unit.

This will enhance the look of the Elmore county, NOT. We get shafted again.

5) Housing for all the workers while the plant is being built, because most of the workers will come from

Out of state. When their gone, we get shafted again.

6) For the thousand of workers it takes to build a plant this size we will need a lot more law enforcement, who pays for that? We the taxpayers. We get shafted again.

7) Will most of the materials to build the plant come from our state, I would bet not. We get shafted again.

8) The company said they would employ about 500 people when the plant is up and running, I would bet

that less than 200 are local people and that would be in security, the rest would be from out of state. We get shafted again.

9) The riff raff workers that build the plant do not and will not care about this area. They will not be living here after the plant is built. Our children and we get shafted again

10) It has been said that most of the electrical power from the plant will be put on the open market, then why don't they build the plant in the state where they will be selling the power to the most? It has also been said this is this company's FIRST nuclear power plant, do they know what they are doing? If not, We will really get shafted again.

11) I just know everyone wants to see all those big towers and power lines spread across the beautiful valleys and lands of Idaho. We get... well you know. Shafted

I worked in a nuclear power plant, in security as a training Sgt. in California and seen first hand what goes on and how the locals pay for a lot of this.

I am not against nuclear power plants if they are located in the right place, I just do not think Elmore county is the right place. Are our laws and regulation for nuclear power plant building so poor that this is why this company chose our state, and do we have building codes in place for nuclear power plants in this state or was the land so much cheaper in this state? And what about the concrete dome, it was said the one in California could be hit by a 747 and it would not be damaged. Will this plant have a dome this safe? How safe will it be.

The contractors that build these plants have union people come in to build the plant and then go to the next plant that is to be built, very few local people are employed.

Most people are driven by power, money and greed.

Do the people of Elmore County have any idea of what the long term cost will be to it's citizens?

Did you really say damage are roads ? I have never seen worse roads in a long time. I have never seen so many cracked windsheilds or chipped paint in my life. We kid at work about the "Idaho" edition vech is the one with the chips and spider webbed cracks on the front windsheild. Sorry-but when I read that I had to comment. Whew !

My opinions on your questions

1. worst roads ever already

2.Landfill would get PAID

3.would create jobs/ somebody has to store that stuff-bussiness have expenses-you can't get away from it no matter what feild.

4.Wind mills do not enhance anything either nor power lines-and for sure solar panels

5.Hotels will get a boom of profit then return to normal ops tempo--IE they bring in lots of money-rental units are filled that were empty.

6.more law enforcement to watch construction workers ? makes little sense.

7.Some material and local bussiness would be used no doubt, comon, I-RON welding does small jobs for the wind mill guys for crying out loud.

8.200 more jobs is 200 M-O-R-E !

9.Construction workers are riff raff ? wow thats nice-who built your house buddy ?

10-heresay

11.see # 4, its a repeat.

Good post G Wolf, especially since you don't oppose nuclear power,

But don't forget how this influx will effect the schools, cramming more kids into each classroom. For those that favor the plant, see if you can get Gillispie to sign a contract to pay to expand the school capacity BEFORE the onslaught impairs your child's education.

Horrible roads will get worse, won't they? Try to get a written contract from Gillispie to repair them first.

I guess Kim did get around to calling me names on her original post this morning, saying I was a "stubborn ill-rational spewing fear-monger Peter. " No problem, and no return name calling by me. Correcting her claim that nuclear power costs 1.87 cents /kwhr was NOT irrational, nor fear-mongering, but one of us was too "stubborn" to admit it, eh? But when I speak the truth about meltdowns and the Homeland Security mandate to prepare your kids for emergency evacuation, that is not fear-mongering either. It is just the truth Gillispie denies. Was Ron Regan "fear-mongering" when he called Russia the "evil Empire"? No. Regan was warning the pacifist disarmament Democrats "there IS a bear in the woods." Fear-mongering is MAKING UP FALSE information, SOLELY for the purpose of needlessly scaring people about things that are not true. What I said is true, and I provided the reference. Some called Ronnie "irrational" for standing up to the Russians, but most folks thank God he did...Peter

AEHI Supporters Pack Rezone Hearing for Idaho Nuclear Plant

BOISE, ID, Apr 28, 2009 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Alternate Energy Holdings, Inc. (PINKSHEETS: AEHI): Hundreds of nuclear plant supporters overflowed the commission hearing room to support jobs, clean low-cost energy, agriculture and economic growth April 22 in Elmore County, Idaho. Supporters outnumbered opponents almost 6 to 1. Testimony in support was strong and diverse, including former local planning and zoning commissioners. Farmers, large landowners, the local farm bureau, businessmen and citizens all enthusiastically told the commission that Elmore County needs low cost electricity, stable jobs and that rezoning AEHI's land would serve the best interests of Elmore County and Idaho. (Idaho is essentially out of electricity.) AEHI submitted 1,600 Idaho signatures in support of the rezone, half of them from Elmore County residents compared to less than 100 for the opponents.

1,600 versus 100,hmmm sound about right.

Peter,

this is not directed at you but your thought.

Are there many Bussiness that come to a location and take on the responsabilities of a community. New schools ? Roads ? Free products and services ?

Does Marathon cheese fix roads ? better yet does SIMPLOT ? or any of the Farmers that use PUBLIC roads for transporting their goods/equipment ?

The school system here dosen't need much help by the way in regards to a lesser education. Thats not comming from me, but friends who work for the MTN HM schools. Companies usually get involved in their communities, you would be correct there, but to what extent ? I volunteer all the time in the local community and with Fish & Game. Because I want to,to help others, not because It's expected of me.

Maybe AEHI could fix this---

Two miles of forgotten highway: The state can't use Connecting Idaho millions to improve a two-mile stretch of U.S. 95 in North Idaho that lawmakers and Idaho Transportation Department officials neglected to include in the project, the attorney general's office says.

A four-lane highway project ends about two miles north of an existing four-lane highway just outside of Hayden. The 2009 Legislature failed to fix the issue amid late-session political squabbles, The Associated Press reports.

ITD board member Bruce Sweeney of Lewiston called the oversight "just stupidity."

"This is something we really messed up on and the Legislature messed up on," Sweeney said at a meeting Thursday.

ITD could use other agency money for the work, or the 2010 Legislature could try yet again to fix it.

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Maybe AEHI could build the "Pie in the sky" rec center here too under 10 years,

Hmmmm,

How about a new park and running/biking trails ?

A six flaggs....

and pay off our bills and morgages....

and new cars for everybody !!!!!

oh, and free ice cream Tuesdays !

Just kidding guys !

Ice cream makes you fat.....

Like I've said, anyone can get psycho, including doctors, but when a disgruntled nuclear worker goes "postal" they can meltdown more than the post office. It is my impression that while most all military forces are wonderful great people, that the Air Force has always recruited the smartest and best. Just a reminder that pschological screening is not a perfect science, and sometimes people with "anger issues" slip through into positions of power. NASA missed that lady astronaut that flipped out over her jilted lover's triangle, and looks like the AF missed one too.

But in regards to the posted AEHI newsrelease posted as a paid ad on Marketwire, that claims the supporters outnumbered opponents "6 to 1". Yah, another example of Gillispie's fuzzy math and "honesty issues." At the P & Z meeting only 3 spoke in favor, but indeed, Gillispie's fake jobs fair brought in a lot of innocent people, and he beat the drum for all his allies to come. That's his right, but the pro's & anti's were jsut about split. The figures I've seen elsewhere favored the anti's slightly, but in a hurry I'll post the Times-News report that is NOT a paid ad, and he calls it split...peter

Found at http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2009/04/23/news/local_state/160133.txt

Nuke plant hearing stalled on comment process

Snipped for space

"Opponents questioned the amount of water the plant would use, AEHI's job claims and other issues. The number of people speaking in favor and against the rezone was roughly equal."

Kim and all,

Since Kim quoted a 1984 national poll saying 67% of "Americans more likely to support a nuclear power plant in their own community than a coal, natural gas or oil plant."

Polls are not facts, but are always interesting, and this one forgets to offer geothermal, wind, or solar plants when offering the energy choices Idaho has (and the whole country has too).

Here is a poll article from Idaho on building nuclear power in the state, then separately in one's county. It's about 2 years old I think. You can get a full copy from searching for the BSU/INL office that wrote it. YES, INL helped take this poll. INL gets the last slant on questions, so if it has any favoritism, it ain't from the anti's! I'd prefer to ask, "If you knew the could meltdown and force evacuations for decades, would you favor building one in your county?" But they don't let me ask informative questions, eh? So let's look at the overwhelming rejection, even in paid off politicians nuclear-INL-Loving dominated paradise of Idaho! Please mote building else where in the stae only has 20% "strongly favor" it. The Yes build it group is 45%, the NO group was 43%, with 12% undecided, the group I post for. Well, really I post for all, and hope to get folks like Dr Abe and Kim to eventually help me. I am optimist, eh?

When it came to building a nuclear power plant in YOUR OWN county, a whopping 70% say NO! A whopping 61% were "STRONGLY OPPOSED"!!! Most Idahoans DO have common sense to protect their families, when not mislead by misinformation from Gillispie, or in a position of power and too greedy to care...Peter

http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/262451.html

How strongly do you support or oppose the construction of a nuclear power plant in your county as one of the ways to provide electricity for the state of Idaho?

Strongly support: 20%

Somewhat support: 25%

Neither support nor oppose or not sure: 12%

Somewhat oppose: 13%

Strongly oppose: 30%

Nuclear plant in idaho for other states

How strongly do you support or oppose the construction of a nuclear power plant in your county as one of the ways to provide electricity for other states?

Strongly support: 9%

Somewhat support: 11%

Neither support nor oppose or don't know: 10%

Somewhat oppose: 9%

Strongly oppose: 61%

Source: Boise State University

Opps. so sorry I was in a hurry, and not only mispelled, but quoted the poll wrong. I told ya I can make mistakes and admit them!

The 2 categories here are only 45% favor building in your own county, but if it is for a merchant plant like Gillispie's, that will sell out of state to the highest bidder, then the whopping 70% say NO WAY. I was in a hurry getting work done, and it's been a year or two since I read it. I only just ran across it looking up a particle size reference for Abe on the other blog. Mah bad, as da kids say :-) ...peter

Hey Pete..2 years ago the housing market hand dropped out, the economy although hurting was still decent and jobs were to be had if you wanted one. The stock market was near 14,000 and there were still 3 car manufacturers in the United States. My my my how 2 years makes a difference in a persons life.

As for all your other point syou stated over and over....stand by for news...will be addressing them after I get home from a job that would love to see 200 more customers coming through the doors.

Cool mhb I bet you do have more to say. Please keep in mind I favor more jobs too, and please don't assume I adore Gore, nor fit into the usual categories you wrote on before. If you check my website you will see no mention of Gore, nor global warming, nor fish! The issue of nuke shut downs during heatwaves came up only in repsonse to Kim's NEI lobby claim that weather does not effect nukes. Drought and heat wave do! It seems you were bashing me on that liberal-environmentalist elitist angle before, but please don't assume I am a liberal. If we forget the fish, the extra river heat will still grow more river algae that you correctly identified as a problem. But the most important issue is Gillispie's claim he will only use 100,000 gallons a day. Areva, the designer of this very plant you back, says that is not even close to true, even if the new design ever gets approved by NRC. Do Idaho droughts just effect liberals, or will he suck everyone's well dry TRYING to run this plant. Respectfully...Peter

Well pete I don't beleive you answered my question ? But you fell for the hook;line and sinker cause, my fellow American, you see, those news post's from me were "bait". I knew like a big ol lunker you would strike. You have proved my point from a few days ago. You can support any issue with stats and figures. I find it funny though how new's stories that favor AEHI you call fake or wrong, yet all your's supporting your side are the LAW. Wow. So, refocus good doctor, could you scroll up and answer my question about bussiness and their contributions to the communities the reside in.

maybe your searching Al Gore's internet compiling stats and data to back up your claims that AEHI should alone rebuild Elmore County by themselves, and the feable attempt to call me crazy was a stall tactic. Once again you show your true colors.

Hi Paul "Pete, I really don't have anything left to say to you. So, If you could leave me out of your future post I would really appreciate it." Revere. I see you are not a man who keeps the promises he makes.

I was at the hearings and learned to count a few years back. The AEHI self-massaging news release you posted was a clear lie. Just like their news release on Marketwire that their new partnership with PowerEd to build 5 reactors in Yemen. Just like his "Lightning Harvest" news release on Marketwire. You admitted you bought stock in AEHI, so who got lured and bit the bait?

When I bust your beloved Gillispie's fake news release, you are free to claim it proves your point instead of admit you were wrong.

Your question was boring and irrelevant, and your posts make me hope you are on the ground crew, and not allowed to fly. I do wish you well though, and hope you seek help soon. We all can get overstressed, and it can lead to more serious problems, for you and those around you. Best of luck to you...Peter

My god man, you are unbelivable !

How do you think aircraft maintain the capability to be air worty ? Maintainers on the ground jerky ! You just insulted over a thousand Flight line troops. I thought by asking you a question, we could have a civil conversation. But, you don't answer question unless they suit your cause and you continue to banter people with your stupid attempt's at humor. You better call all these new's sources and tell them to pull any positive stories on Nuclear energy or AEHI because they are lie's, because DrPeterRickardsDPM

said so. Tell you what, why don't you come on down from Twin Falls and meet me and some of the Airman you insulted at Charlie's or Kurly's..your choice. I am sure they would love to buy you a beer.

http://solveclimate.com/blog/20090619/duke-considering-first-new-u-s-nuclear-pla...

really good story on another Nuclear power company, but too long to post.

here are a few key points.

Energy Secretary Steven Chu is a strong supporter of nuclear power, and there has been discussion in Congress of financing new nuclear energy projects as the government's emphasis shifts toward cleaner sources of energy.

The DOE is now preparing to award $18.5 billion in loan guarantees for nuclear facilities, and earlier this week, Chu announced $9 million for scholarships and grants for university research into nuclear energy

"America's leadership in nuclear energy research will be critical in addressing the country's longterm energy independence and climate change goals," Chu said in announcing the scholarship program. He referred to nuclear power as an "important zero-carbon energy source."

As I said at 4:27, from my heart and experience, "It is my impression that while most all military forces are wonderful great people, that the Air Force has always recruited the smartest and best."

So I respect and love ALL branches of the military, and that includes the great ground crews! Without them doing highly skilled jobs as diligently as they do we would be doomed. I simply said you appear to have "anger issues" and hope you are not in one of your rages when in charge of an armed airplane. That's not an insult to anyone else. But you are again showing why I didn't bother to respond to your tedious questions and vicious posts. You did say "Pete, I really don't have anything left to say to you. So, If you could leave me out of your future post I would really appreciate it." Didn't you? ...Peter

I did pete, If you wan't to continue acting like an ***, then yes, don't bother me. I like how you tap danced out of that one. Still didn't answer my original question, you say they are boring and not relevant ? Wow, how does it feel to be God ?

another good web site to inform yourself,

http://nei.org/

pete-But don't forget how this influx will effect the schools, cramming more kids into each classroom. For those that favor the plant, see if you can get Gillispie to sign a contract to pay to expand the school capacity BEFORE the onslaught impairs your child's education.

Horrible roads will get worse, won't they? Try to get a written contract from Gillispie to repair them first

Me-

Peter,

this is not directed at you but your thought.

Are there many Bussiness that come to a location and take on the responsabilities of a community. New schools ? Roads ? Free products and services ?

Does Marathon cheese fix roads ? better yet does SIMPLOT ? or any of the Farmers that use PUBLIC roads for transporting their goods/equipment ?

The school system here dosen't need much help by the way in regards to a lesser education. Thats not comming from me, but friends who work for the MTN HM schools. Companies usually get involved in their communities, you would be correct there, but to what extent ? I volunteer all the time in the local community and with Fish & Game. Because I want to,to help others, not because It's expected of me.

Pete-Your question was boring and irrelevant, and your posts make me hope you are on the ground crew, and not allowed to fly

So this post above by me is vicious huh ? really ?

And you didnt insult Ground crews either, just me, really ?

Does anyone else see this guy for what he is ?

Clearly from the Banter Box veterans who were insulted by the so-called Paul Revere, I am NOT the ONE who insulted the military, no matter how you twist and repeat it Paul.

As I said at 4:27, from my heart and experience, "It is my impression that while most all military forces are wonderful great people, that the Air Force has always recruited the smartest and best."

So I respect and love ALL branches of the military, and that includes the great ground crews! Without them doing highly skilled jobs as diligently as they do we would be doomed." ...Peter

OK..am back and ready to type. Sorry I guess this is a response to G Wolf not you Doc...my apologies.

1) How much worse can the roads get? Maybe the taxes paid by this company and these workers while they're here will help off set the cost. And I'm sure that any private roads AEHI builds will be built by THEM.

2) How much waste material do you exspect from this plant? Of wht sort? Lumber, concreten steel. Apparently youhaven't been out to the AS Base to see all the construction they've been doing. Last I checked none of it is headed to the landfill. As for the land fill every Elmore resident is allwed so many pounds of debris then they are charged by the pound for it. I'm sure AEHI will be no different.

3) Rod storage.I guess that one has to be worked out. If it's on-site I'm sure the feds will have a say in it.

4) What the unit looks like is of no concern. Large cement dams across a virgin river, wind mills sprouting all over a high desert, guess it all means money.

5) Housing. Right now there is a glut of houses on the market. Last I heard there were over 400 houses on the market and that was before the housing bust. I'm betting it takes more than a day or two to build this plant and most of the workers will rent or buy locally. That in turn means taxes will be paid which in turn funds most of the things you aregue about Wolf.

6) More cops? The perfect average for law enforcement is 1 cop for 1000 residence. 1/500 is even better. So if this plant brings in say 1500 construction workers plus their families you're talking 6000 new residents. So that means MAYBE 6 new cops. And that's if they ALL live in Mtn. Home. I'm betting a few will find the house prices in Glenns Ferry and Hammet a lot more to their liking.

7)Where do building materials come from? I seem to see hundreds of rail cars a month going thorugh town with millions of board feet of lumber on board. Steel obviously isn't manufactured around here and our locoal concrete plant can barely keep up with wht the base wants. So youtell me...will we have another lumber store or concrete plant built to supply this? Sounds good to me...more businesses means more taxes hence off setting the costs of construction.

8) So having somehwere between 200 and 500 workers is a bad thing? I work retail that means an average family of 4 for every worker means 800-2000 new residents who will buy from the local merchants. Yup that sonds bad to me.

9) I take total offense at the term "Riff Raff" when it comes to construction workers. I framed houses for sometime and made good money compared tot he rest of the jobs around. I used this money to pay my house payment, car payment and to take my family camping and out to the water park. This "riff raff" spent a lot of money in the community I lived in.

10) I've already stated before that nearly all of our power is routed to California before it comes back to us. So "building closer" to the area that the power is gonna be used in means that the damns and windmills we see in southern Idaho need to be just inside the border of California.

11) Hey wolf where do you live anyways? Apparently you've never been to any of the damns in Southern Idaho. You've never seen the HUGE generator buildings that stretch across the rivers, the power distribution area just off to the side and the hundreds of miles of transmission lines running form them. Have you seen the 72kv lines that run out from the wind turbines? What an idiot to think that a nuke plant would be any different from any other power manufacturing plant!

12) So what do you have against union shops being in charge of the people working at the plants? Almost all the trades have a union. Yes these unions find work for their people first before they recruit outside. It's been that way for years and not gonna change soon under this president.

Another point I want to make is the fact that most of the people would wind up being security guards for this plant. Not true. Most plants have jobs that don't require a PhD in nuclear physics. And as for being security, ask the guys who work at the base as security. NONE of them complain about the wages THEY make. As for the jobs that are the high paying, white collar jobs, WHO CARES....so AEHI hires 200 doctors to run the plant. That means 200 people buying high priced housing and paying the taxes on it. Buying the high priced luxury cars and paying the taxes on them. Making 6 figure salaries AND PAYING TAXES ON IT! Good Grief, are we gonna complain because 200 people are gonna pay more in taxes than most of the rest of us?

Ohhh and Doc, I NEVER said I was for AEHI building this plant. I've stated at least twice I DON'T think AEHI is the right company to build here but I also said I beleive nuclear power done right is a great idea. Please don't put words in MY mouth.

Forgive my bad spelling..went to spell check it and for some reason it wouldn't work.

One more fact. There are 4 roads that are used to transport hazardous waste to US Ecology in Grand View. 2 of these run through Elmore County. One of the roads, Simco Rd, is so torn up with these heavy trucks running up and down the road that the posted speed is 45mph for safety. Thse trucks haul THOUSANDS of tons of hazardous materials thourgh this county EVERY DAY. If one of these trucks were to crash there would be a large scale Haz-mat response. Most of this waste is transported in open trucks with nothing more than a tarp on top. Nuclear waste on the other hand is tightly controlled by the federal goverment. Nuke waste has to be in specially designed casks that if invloved in a crash would survive with nary a scuff to show for it. The container around the cask would absorb the force of the crash. These loads are tracked every inch of their traves through GPS and in this state they are escorted by the state police.

There is more potential danger from the Wal-Mart delivery truck loaded with a pallet of chlorine bleach next to a pallet of dish soap during a crash. And because of our archaic haz-mat laws THAT truck requires NO placards.

With that I say sleep tight and have pleasant dreams.

It was stated that most of the construction workers would live in 5th wheels and not buy homes as many would be here on a temporary basis. So, we get more trailer parks! Great.

As far as the "riff raff" comment goes it has been stated that these folks like to drink which would infer that crime COULD go up (DUI's, domestic, assault, etc.). Yep, just what we need because we do not have enough of that already. It is pretty well documented that some of these guys work hard and play hard. Do we really need this?

It was also stated (by Mark P.) that most of the people who end up working in this plant would probably live in Boise because services are lacking in MH and people who make that level of money want more and want to be closer to those services. So...the state will make a great deal of the money while Elmore County gets the boom/bust and nuclear waste storage. Are there not enough empty homes already? Not enough up for sale at this point that will not/cannot sell?

And...we the taxpayers will get to pay for the extra police, more PA's to help the current PA obtain convictions for crimes, road repairs, more admin. help, etc. Boy what a great deal for Elmore County! Oh...and we also get to pay the legal fees for this mess once that first suit is filed because our elected officials were in over their heads on this thing and did not hire someone to consult them. Yes...what a GREAT deal for Elmore County. Not sure about anyone else but I pay more than my fair share of taxes and do not feel the need to pay more because this joker decides he wants to build a nuke plant within miles of over 50 homes. Sorry, I fail to see how this is good.

OM,

More cops is never a bad thing. Tell you what, save money and get rid of the "senior citizens on patrol" and hire a couple more cops or better yet, I know alot of military that would volunteer to become deputy sherrif's.

Money will be made from Boise to Twin falls and all stop's inbetween. Why ? well thats the way it is now right ? Just because ground is broken on a nuclear plant outside of hammett, why do you think or feel 100% of everyone's money is going to be spent here ? Thats is not realalistic. I know Military that commute from Boise everyday. They rather spend their off duty time there, its their choice, it's America right ? People choose to spend their time and money where and when dependent on what they value. Mountain Home has the basic's and I would bet some to most of these workers would spend alot of money around the elmore county area. But this thinking dosen't hold water, because we need to think longer term, after the plant is built.

The comment about drinking was uncalled for.

And, last time I drove thru town I noticed alot of campers turned into permanent residence's that are more of an eye sore than I can imagine a nice 5th wheel trailer.

OM,

More cops is never a bad thing. Tell you what, save money and get rid of the "senior citizens on patrol" and hire a couple more cops or better yet, I know alot of military that would volunteer to become deputy sherrif's.

Money will be made from Boise to Twin falls and all stop's inbetween. Why ? well thats the way it is now right ? Just because ground is broken on a nuclear plant outside of hammett, why do you think or feel 100% of everyone's money is going to be spent here ? Thats is not realalistic. I know Military that commute from Boise everyday. They rather spend their off duty time there, its their choice, it's America right ? People choose to spend their time and money where and when dependent on what they value. Mountain Home has the basic's and I would bet some to most of these workers would spend alot of money around the elmore county area. But this thinking dosen't hold water, because we need to think longer term, after the plant is built.

The comment about drinking was uncalled for.

And, last time I drove thru town I noticed alot of campers turned into permanent residence's that are more of an eye sore than I can imagine a nice 5th wheel trailer.

So OM, are you a life long resident of Elmore County? Would that make you a back woods, illiterate, redneck? Can we assume that your parents share the same family tree? Do you live in a great single wide with a car on cinder blocks out in the uncut grass? Do your children go to school in hand me downs and no shoes. Do you spend more on grits than toothpaste in a year?

Offended yet? How's it feel to have someone who knows nothing about you make assumptions? You stereo type the kind of people that would come to this area for construction work yet how many of them do you know? I know a couple, they are my brothers. They work commercial heating and cooling and moved from the Boise area when building boom flattened out and took work where their union shops could find it. Sun Valley, Idaho Falls, now they are in Maryland. One brother makes $45 an hour as a jobsite foreman and the other makes $35 an hour as a jouneyman metal worker. Both of them have bought houses in the area they work in the $300,000 range. Their wives have gotten jobs and their children go to the local schools. They pay local and state taxes, payroll taxes and are memebers of their community. They know that with this economy jobs are scarce and they may have to move again. WHen they do they will put down roots again and become part of that community. Neither of them drink much. Truth be told I probably out drink them both in a monthand I rarely drink myself.

I'm waiting for people like you OM and the Doc and Wolf and all the others that seem to bash the workers that do hard work around here. How many of the AF people would be out in the cold without the work these people do. Build houses, roads, stores. Maybe they all aren't white bread, white collar country club type people. Maybe they rip the sleeves off their t shirts and drink a few beers while watching a ball game or NASCAR. Maybe you should search a few out at a job site and THANK THEM for the hard work they do so people like you can live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood and thumb your collective noses at them.

Hi MHB,

Whoah there please, I have never "bashed the workers" in Elmore, nor "thumbed my nose at them."

You have tried to stereotype me as an elitist "white collar country club type."

I ain't in no country club. I only wear a suit and tie to meetings to show respect to local citizens, and present how serious the issues are. Big Spender here pays $20 a suit coat at Deseret thank you :-) "I got friends in low places" and am proud of them. Blue collar is the best collar.

Paul tried to insist I was slamming the great Air Force ground crew instead of discuss the issues of the nuke plant. The influx into your schools is a reality. Some workers will bring big city bad habits with them, but not your brothers I am convinced. But doc's can do that to, and the school overcrowding seems like a real concern that could make actual seating hard, let alone one-on-one teacher time to help those struggling. Paul just slammed the local school system in reply. I never slammed any local people who work hard.

As I said to Paul when he tried the elitist vs us GUYS exploitation:"As I said at 4:27, from my heart and experience, "It is my impression that while most all military forces are wonderful great people, that the Air Force has always recruited the smartest and best."

So I respect and love ALL branches of the military, and that includes the great ground crews! Without them doing highly skilled jobs as diligently as they do we would be doomed."

In Kim's other blog I admitted I was gonna kick back some beers and hope the Lakers lost. Ain't nothing wrong with that...Peter

Something you need to know Doc, this county handles the inlfux in our schools quite well. When the base realigned we dealt with it. When they shut down all but the elementary school on base and all the kids came into town we dealt with it. Now we have the families from Singapore here. We are dealing with it. Nothing hard about it, we just accept them into our community with open arms. And to tell you, from a business stand point it has been great. They shop at walmart, buy cars locally and buy parts for those cars locally. I'm sure the construction workers will as well. Few if any of the people from Singapore are going to pay any taxes here. They are here for a 3 year tour and then they are gone. They are allowed to live off base and some do but a lot of them live on base. So does this make them riff raff as pointed out by a few? When the Germans come here for a month and spend THOUSANDS of dollars at the stores and bars, are they riff raff? My apologies Doc if you were lumped in with a few nearsighted idiots. I think some of them REALLY need to look at their neighbor and sask, "where did they come from?" before they trash hard working trades people. Maybe they could use your services as a Doctor to remove the foot from their mouth before someone has to remove a foot from their behinds.

Good line for a finish mhb! You made me laugh more than the comedy thats on TV in the background! Apology for lumping accepted. I haven't really crunched the numbers on your schools, but seemed Tim W and others had. But I'll sit back and listen on that debate since I haven't researched how large the influx would be, nor your school capicity. I know how bad ecomomic crunches hurt...Peter

"It is pretty well documented that some of these guys work hard and play hard."

Sounds like my kind of crowd.

You bet Beau,

"Blood, sweat, and beers" forever...

But had to add OM speaks well for herself, but I love her research on info against AEHI, and KNOW she is not really an elitist. I don't mind trailer homes for da record! OM is a hard working sincere person looking out for the citizens, not the elitists from what I know. I don't know a thing about WERCD, for SURE, but mhbouncer, please do consider the details of what I have shared in bottom line safety problems Gillispie denies in Elmore. As we teach our kids, some risks are too great for the lure of easy money. While I haven't crunched the school numbers, I have been working to save Idaho's water from the plutonium above our water in a flood zone for 21 years now. There is some good info above, and an ongoing debate with Dr Abe Van Luin, a nuclear scientist endorsing Gillispie's plant over on Kim's "Who benefits? You decide" blog. Maybe Abe has quit now......but he said that over ten times :-) Either way there is lots of good stuff posted there on the alloy-600 stress cracks problem that effect half the current US fleet of reactors, and almost melted down a plant in Ohio in 2002. I know from above you know experts can lie, and that is true. I'll quote the DOE on their hidden documents admission the containment in modern plants have scenarios that can fail and lead to "catastrophic failure," when Gillispie claims to Elmore citizens that can NEVER happen. But that is the same DOE who I have been fighting as they have falsely promised to remove ALL the dumped plutonium at INL, and tried to incinerate plutonium here saying "inhaling plutonium is as safe as eating a banana." Sometimes we have to say No to jobs. I know you are rightfully skeptical. But please give them a read...Peter

MHB, I live in a manufactured home so it is not likely that I thumb my nose at anyone. I mow my grass every week and even pay to have my trash picked up each week. I live in the county and do not have cars up on blocks or old appliances in my yard. I work 2 jobs and still manage to run a small business as well. I am not part of the elite in MH and clean my own barn. The statements I made regarding where the workers would live came right from the horses mouth. Sorry, MH does not need any more trashy trailer parks...we have plenty. Have a nice night MHB it is time for bed since I have to be up at 5:00 a.m. Oh, and we only line breed with our horses and my parents were not first or second cousins (in other words they were not related). I am not a native of Idaho nor do I plan to die here but thank you for asking.

Happy Father's Day to all of the dads out there.

Doubtful we would have any more trashy trailer parks and I'm sure those who own the "trashy" trailer parks are so very thankful to you for helping them in their business endeavor. I'm sure places like the Wagon Wheel and the very nice park out near WalMart would hate to get people to move into their parks for the 2-3 years it would take to build a nuke plant. You know all the trashy $25,000 5th wheels that they pull and all. (By the way, I see the Wagon Wheel has an ad in this very paper for new renters. Seems the economy is hitting them too.)

I am glad to see that you took offense to my comments about you. It would seem that it's ok for you to talk bad about people you NEVER met but I hurt your feelings with my words. Am I about to apologize? Not on your life!

If we are to use the logic, or the lack there of, used in this particular blog then we need to send all the people from Singapore home. We need to quit inviting the Germans here for a months to train and maybe should just shutter the doors at the base in general because of the people they bring here. The Air Force brings young..very young for those my age...into this base. Gives them permission AND money to live off base. Quite a few of them live 3-4 people to a rental house to save money. They stay for 3-4 years then they are off to the next base. A lot of these kids drink. If they are 21 it's in the bars and if not it's at home. They have absolutely NO roots here. A few of them have a wife or a small family. Mostly they have their peers to police their actions. These people account for a great number of police calls. So tell me what these people have to offer this city? county? the answer...MONEY! They buy locally, the pay rent to people who in turn pay property tax. IF they choose to makes Mountain Home their residence they pay income taxes.

So with OM's thought process these people should go away. They are an inordinate drain on the resources of the county. They contribute very little to the area they live. They are not permanent residence here and they DRINK ALCOHOL. Sounds an awful lot like the riff raff she complains about above.

Find another argument to keep business from coming to our county. AEHI may not be the right company to build this plant. The plant design may not be the right one for the area, but make no doubt the idea of nuclear power in this day and age is a sound idea. It takes us off fossil fuels and the "footprint" they leave. A plant would be no more obtrusive than the 12 wind turbines east of us. A plant done RIGHT wouldn't be any more harm to the fisheries we have than a hydro ****. Selling power to California is no different than selling wheat or potatoes. I haven't heard anyone tell the farmers to farm closer to California. Think of the shipping charges they would save and the workers wouldn't have to travel as far. Our problem here is we have to many NIMBY's out there that don't realize they came here for a reason and now that they're here they don't want any one else to come.

You know now that I think about it OM, if you live in a manufactured home then the riff raff you talk about have a lot in common with you. A decent 5th wheel to live out of can run $30-40K plus the truck to pull it with, there's another $40-45k. So say it's an even $80K...that's about what your home without the land is worth and you both got it there on wheels. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Hey Kim, Before I forget, it's off topic but talked to Mike today at the store. He and I had a flash of brilliance. We've decided to change from being Right Wing Extremists to being Right Wing Terrorists. We feel with this new title we will be shipped to Bermuda and live out our years on a warm beach at the government's expense. Please do not forward any mail as we won't give a rats behind anymore. Thanks and God Bless...or is that praise Allah..whatever it takes I guess...lol

Yeah...wheat and spuds are a lot like toxic waste. I see your point MHB (not really). As for offending me...the likes of you are not able. Have a nice night and sleep well.

we're selling toxic waste to California???? What a great idea....thanks OM...by the way..you do know that Agriculture has been the source of more haz-mat response and containments that Nuclear Power in this state...right?

Hi mhb,

Like I said about trailer parks and homes, I like them. I have a few diabetic patients I make house calls for that live in trailer parks. One elderly women there always is more fun to talk to than any doc I know.

May I please share a few thoughts on some other issues you mentioned regarding your last paragraph "AEHI may not be the right company to build this plant. The plant design may not be the right one for the area, but make no doubt the idea of nuclear power in this day and age is a sound idea. It takes us off fossil fuels and the "footprint" they leave. A plant would be no more obtrusive than the 12 wind turbines east of us. A plant done RIGHT wouldn't be any more harm to the fisheries we have than a hydro ****. Selling power to California is no different than selling wheat or potatoes. I haven't heard anyone tell the farmers to farm closer to California."

Gotta tease you a little mhb, when you endorse nuclear power because "It takes us off fossil fuels and the "footprint" they leave." I thought you said Al Gore's global warming BS about the "footprint" fossil fuels leave was a liberal plot I was part of! Like I said above Gore nor global warming on on my website, but had to chuckle you are now waving that flag!

RE: "Selling power to California is no different than selling wheat or potatoes. I haven't heard anyone tell the farmers to farm closer to California." There is a huge difference. California bans the huge risk of new muclear power plants from their neighborhoods. Gillispie promises verbally, but never in written contract, to sell cheap power to Elmore. The truth is Idaho will have to outbid California that already is willing to pay 16 cents/kwhr to heat their Hollywood hot tubs. Potato farmers can't meltdown and ruin for decades southern Idaho and beyond. Nuke plants can. We can buy cheap Idaho potatoes here, and we grow so many the farmers can sell them where the potatoes aren't grown, or aren't as delicious. While we need to import bananas that aren't grown her, actually there is a nation-wide movement that encourages families to buy locally grown food. It not only is fresher and more nutritious, it supports the local economy, with more local money to spend seven-fold. And as you stated, it saves shipping cost and the pollution "footprint" it leaves.

Idaho was one of the few states wise enough to resist deregulation of electricity when it was popular. The power companies and Enron types ripped off so many people and small businesses went under from the cost when unregulated it was a crime.

RE: "A plant done RIGHT wouldn't be any more harm to the fisheries we have than a hydro ****."

Like I said above, I never mention fish on my website. The subject came up since Kim claimed weather never effects nuke power, but heatwaves actually shut down 2 in America, and 17 in nuke paradise France where they had to import electricty. But the water consumption problem won't go away if you got the laws changed to allow overheating the river. Gillispie claims he will only use 100,000 gallons per day, but the Areva company that designed this plant says he is lying. The real question is will he suck everyone's well dry TRYING to run this plant. If Guillispie lies about water consumption, cost, and how cheaply he will sell it to Elmore, why are you endorsing him? His handout says he will sell it for 3 cent/kwhr, but Areva themselves says it costs "8-11 cents delivered to the line"! That's before Gilispie's profit, before tansmission cost, and before utility profit, IF you can outbid Vegas and Hollywood!

Wind companies have left Idaho because Butch let id Power drag them through court. A rancher in our south hills had Enexco study his land for 4 years and he was Class 4. Winds peaked all winter, and from noon to 7PM in the hot summer. They paid for the testing and were ready to build 4 years ago. They would pay for the wind towers, and Bruce could keep ranching with his good cut of his contract with them. They offerd Id Power a 20 year contract for 4.5 cents/kwhr for two years before they gave up and left. I talked to both the rancher and the agent for Enexco. There are plenty of jobs for Elmore if we kick Butch and Id Power in the butt. INL says Idaho can double our present electric consumption with wind power at 7.5 cents/kwhr by 2030. THAT would bring even MORE jobs to Elmore and Idaho, just like cheap hydro lured jobs here. One well paid technician is needed to maintain every 5 wind mills, which will employ more in windy Elmore. And it's cheaper than the nuke power that brings meltdown risks and nuke waste that has no where to go.

Did you really read the info I provided on modern nuclear safety problems? The unforeseen alloy-600 stress crack problem that effects half the 104 US reactors, and nearly melted down Ohio in 2002? In Ohio the nuke engineer that was lucky to discover the acid leak that ate through the contaainment leaving only 1/4 inch decided to cover it up to keep running for profit. Disgruntled employees can meltdown the plant using computer viruses. Outside the plant computer hacker/terrorists shut off safety programs at a nuke plant already, but didn't get their mission completed luckily. But like the DOE cyber-terror experts say: "I think the important thing to keep in mind is the adversaries don't stand still when technologies are being developed," said Mike Sparks, director of the DOE Office of Technology. "The adversary has full use of the technology in advance to being made. And if we stand still and don't take the initiative to stay a step ahead on the technology, I think we're setting ourselves up for a disaster sometime down in the future." But hackers from China already got through both DOE and Homeland security computers and stole info. Why gamble Elmore families you can stay one cyber-step ahead of enemy governments? Why gamble normal operations won't split stress cracks and force evacuation of Elmore and beyond when Idaho has so much safer wind and geothermal power?

The DOE admits we have enough wind and geothermal potential that is accessible in the USA we can power the whole country without a meltdown risk. Idaho's geothermal in Raft River sells to IDAHO for 5.25 cents/kwhr. Please reconsider. Pocatello is getting a new wind turbine plant. Has Elmore even tried to get good plants like that?...Peter

mhb...I work in the area of environmental/water law and have for 13 or so years...I do know a thing or 2 about pollution as well as our over- allocated water rights. My statement was related to your comments which compared the sale of produce to the sale of electricity to other states. Apples/oranges.

Thanks as always for your comments. Keep up the good work. Oh, and I do not live in a trailer park---I live on a non-chemical farm. Once again, have a great night. Happy Father's Day Pete! Take care.

Oh yes...and let us not forget the very clean dairy industry as well! The Dept. of Ag. does so well watching over them...sort of like the NRC and DEQ---all of which have had budget cuts which means less staff. Less staff means less supervision. Less supervision means more incidents/accidents. That brings me great comfort and is a prime example of how well our government regulates things. Look at the FDA! Yes, I have 100% faith in all of the idiots in DC to protect me...and of course our LOCAL elected county officials as well.

Thanks OM, Dad's day was great! I know we all type in a hurry to get other stuff done, but had to chuckle when you said mhb was comparing apples to oranges! I know what you meant, but apples are closer to oranges than nuke waste is to potatoes! :-)

But happy fathers day to mhb too. Sign me up for da Bermuda terrorist trip! I know you care about your kids, and want them to have good jobs in Elmore. Me too. It is all about protecting our kids. Here is the peer-reviewed medical journal on the childhood leukemia problem at a well regulated German nuclear power plant that Gillispie never mentions. For sure, they admit they can't say for sure it is the fault of the nuke plant, just like you can't really ever 100% prove tobacco causes cancer. Could be other unseen factors or just a big coincidence. Could be the "negligible" radioactive gases released 24/7 during a normal nuke plant operations, or maybe the Electromagnetic field. It is from a plant that never had an accident, and is much smaller than Gillispie's plant size. But the closer to the plant the kids lived, the higher the rate of childhood leukemia. This is not a henny-penny scare tactic, just a dad warning other dads and moms "There IS a bear in the woods." ...peter

International Journal of Cancer 2007 Dec 7

Leukaemia in young children living in the vicinity of German nuclear power plants.

Kaatsch P, Spix C, Schulze-Rath R, Schmiedel S, Blettner M.

Institute for Medical Biostatistics, Epidemiology and Informatics, German Childhood Cancer Registry, Obere Zahlbacher Strasse 69, 55131 Mainz, Germany.

A case control study was conducted where cases were children younger than 5 years (diseased between 1980 and 2003) registered at the german childhood cancer registry (GCCR). Population-based matched controls (1:3) were selected from the corresponding registrar's office. Residential proximity to the nearest nuclear power plant was determined for each subject individually (with a precision of about 25 m). The report is focused on leukaemia and mainly on cases in the inner 5-km zone around the plants. The study includes 593 leukaemia cases and 1,766 matched controls. All leukaemia combined show a statistically significant trend for 1/distance with a positive regression coefficient of 1.75 [lower 95%-confidence limit (CL): 0.65]; for acute lymphoid leukaemia 1.63 (lower 95%-CL: 0.39), for acute nonlymphocytic leukaemia 1.99 (lower 95%-CL: -0.41). This indicates a negative trend for distance. Cases live closer to nuclear power plants than the randomly selected controls. A categorical analysis shows a statistically significant odds ratio of 2.19 (lower 95%-CL: 1.51) for residential proximity within 5 km compared to residence outside this area. This result is largely attributed to cases in previous studies of the GCCR (especially in the inner zone) as there is clearly some overlap between those studies. The result was not to be expected under current radiation-epidemiological knowledge. Considering that there is no evidence of relevant accidents and that possible confounders could not be identified, the observed positive distance trend remains unexplained. (c) 2007 Wiley-Liss, Inc.

PMID: 18067131 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear...

Just a side note;

If the "riff raff" in question happen to purchase the legal substance of alcohol in the form of beer and wine, then the "riff raff" and the extenuation of that term will be contributing to the already $66 Million more in taxes then nondrinkers pay in the State of Idaho through the so-called "Sin Taxes".

http://www.donttaxmybeer.com/home.aspx

Coming soon to a store near you:

The Twinkie Tax, the caffine tax, and the you're just enjoying life waaay to much tax.

Pete,

"Blood, sweat, and beers" forever...

I have actually have had my fill of blood for awhile thank you.

I don't think anyone has ever actually drowned in sweat.

But as far as beers forever goes....You buy the first round, I'll get the next.

Oh Pete you rocked the jukebox..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi9sLkyhhlE&feature=related

Thanks for the Spinning Wheels blast Beau from BS&T! One of my favorites but hadn't heard it in a while. Maybe the ECC's can run a beer concession stand next hearing and I'll buy ya one.

"Blood, sweat, and beers" forever, is my motto for "work hard play hard," so I had to share it in the riff-raff "they sound like my kind of people" exchange above. I have nearly drowned in sweat! I like to run like a dog, sweat like a pig, drink like a fish! "If you don't sweat it, you don't get it". MHB just made me laugh on Kim's You Decide blog though, on this very point of exercising too much may be risky behavior. But exercise is "taxing" enough, so hope they start a sweat tax! ...peter

Oh come on Peter...Don said this thing would be safe! Do you mean to tell me that he lied to us...again? Sort of like the fact that the land will revert back to Ag. with the snap of a finger if he does not build his field of dreams? Funny...that is not what his letter said on my blog. But hey, lets stay away from the facts and just hope for the best on all of this. As long as we have "good jobs" and "money" it is all good. Who cares if in the end you cannot even drink the water. With 80K you can also have all of your water trucked in from who knows where. Great idea. Peter, I am glad you can see the forest for the trees as opposed to all of the trash left behind. If someone does not hire an attorney and fight this...it is a done deal. Does Obama still allow people to choose where they want to live or are all of us in Idaho going to just have to "roll over" on this one? Just wondering.

Beau, as always great post. Have a very nice day.

the distorted Cost vs. Benefits picture that AEHI gives to the public is affecting how citizens are viewing this, it seems. They make it seem like this is a cant-miss, ultra-lucrative, jackpot that all will be able to enjoy. Well, this jackpot is not for everyone and so just like usual the rich will get richer and the poor may have a short run at prosperity but will most likely settle back to their pre-construction period income and ways. This will not make the entire area affluent and rich. Sorry to burst the bubble. It reminds me of an episode of Little House on the Prairie where in the end, the money that they inherit is Confederate. High hopes and not so great results.

Yes...many seem to feel that our property taxes will go down to next to nothing and that wonderful new schools will be built, etc. Oh...and the jobs! Got to hand it to old Martin Johncox...his PR skills seem to have reached an all new level recently. Few seem to be able to understand that the high will bring lows because what goes up must also come back down. Nothing like a bunch of empty hotels.

Not to worry Tim. When it all falls apart they will still say they had no idea and how did this happen. It will be like this entire thing was done in secret and nobody knew.

"Money can't buy you love," but you sure can get more people willing to fake it for you :-)

Peter, you are correct! It is sad that it will all come with a heavy price and all in the name of money. There is a song for this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDpMqKSrr7Y

I want my AEHI...come on now and sing along and we can even make up some of our own words to fit the situation! Seen the girl and "custom" kitchen?

Pardon my redundancy, but I feel that this will put this the idea into perspective.

So, this plant will create between 1900 and 2375 jobs and not 3785. Those numbers are still good so why I am I whining and crying. Next, the developer has admitted that 25% of the construction will done elsewhere. So, now we are down to 1450 to 1600. Of those jobs that will be done onsite, only about half of those will go to workers that have no experience in building this type of structure. Yes, people can be trained. The literature on this topic supports the idea that they would rather not train someone and simply increase the wage marginally. So now 700 to 800 jobs will be taken by locals. That number does not support this winning lottery ticket scenario given by the developer. Finally, of the permanent jobs less than 100 of those will go to locals. This comes from data that suggests that most locals do not have the appropriate education or experience. This is not to say that they are dumb but being that a nuke plant has not been built in 30 years, there has not been the demand for nuclear physicists and such.

I know that I always work to temper the fantasies but if the locals are going to invest their futures in this, they need better info. The probable impact is that the permanent population of the area will go up by 1000 or so. The majority of jobs will go to non-locals. These non-locals will likely leave the area once the job is done.

Twil,

I see what your saying, but your missing the end game.

Are we building a Power plant with the main goal to be of temp jobs and just the building of the palnt ?

No, we are talking about creating more energy to bring in new/more bussiness to Elmore/Idaho. The issue should be Energy and the result of having the power plant AFTER its built. You have to have a vision past 5-10 years. That is where the real success is, but everone want's instant gradification.

We are not talking about just jobs as pointed out by Twil, others and myself. We want to see existing businesses surviving and even having the ability to flourish! We are looking towards more people being able to step away from working for another and starting a new business to serve the growing population. With the new people who will come to the area, empty houses will be bought, creating more tax dollars for the county and cities. From that revenue, they can address the real issue of repairing, maintaining and developing the roads, buildings, and projects. This will in turn help people keep their jobs and create the need to hire more. The police and sheriff department will benefit from that money as well. It is quite simple to understand. Bringing more business to the county causes a ripple effect.

There is always a few negative effects as well. Boy, do we know those since that is all that the opposition focuses on. From those negative effects, people start bringing up such things as "riff-raff" and "Big-City Bad Habits or Crime or drinking and the list goes on and on. Pretty soon there will be mass chaos with cats and dogs living together!

Another good point stated earlier is that our county needs, must have more revenue to survive. Since it takes so long to get a company to want to bring their business here, we don't have much time! We need the stimulation to our county economy now! We can't print our own money like D.C.

We need it to go forward now! Or many families will not make it. Many families will have to move on, leaving even more houses empty, even less property taxes and even less customers. This will cause our existing business owners to face the same fate. More closures, more lost and broken dreams and more empty houses and buildings and on and on. But the rest of you can sit back and enjoy the quiet. Enjoy the empty streets, empty parks and boarded-up businesses. Have a grand time walking through neighborhoods overgrown with the weeds of neglect. Feel smug with victory as you experience the whooosh of air from the grand exodus of people moving on. Sit on your front porch rocking gently while the wind blows pieces of the past by. I'm sure you will complain of the abandoned cats and dogs roaming the streets of ghost neighbrhoods, left behind by families who couldn't afford to feed them any longer. Sleep in peace while the traffic lights blink yellow all night while the local bars close early due to lack of customers. At least, now there won't be loud music and rowdy laughter invading the night air. No problems with drinkers who leave their cars parked to walk home. The weekends are so quiet now without that riff-raff kicking up their heels and downing beers! Yes, sigh with relief and tell yourself that "All is well" Don't worry about the fact that young people have all gone on to other places and that the only people left in the neighborhood are retired. Not need for concern when the military finally decides that Mtn Home can't provide the services for their people and the base is closed. Watch as the old get older and theres nobody to take their place. Before you know it, you're rocking in your chair in an empty neighborhood but hey, it's quiet; there's no traffic, there's no annoying children running around, no problems with noisey neighbors, no barking dogs, no lines at the grocery store. Oh sorry, I meant the Pilot store, grocery stores closed down. The only stores that will survive are next to the interstate. Best of all, there's no crime. Of course, there's barely anybody to committ a crime. Yep, that's the future that we want.

Here is an interesting little notation on AEHI. Very interesting!

http://aehitruth.blogspot.com/

Here is the link to the MIT claim (go to page 11 top paragraph of the document):

http://www.pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/sho...

And another one (go to the "Filings" tab and read your little hearts out)...

http://www.pinksheets.com/pink/quote/quo...

Peter and others...hope this little bit of truth helps you all out.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 9:10 AM

If we are going to present "facts" or statements that are supposed to be "facts" at least represent those "facts" in their true light. So now...the "opposition" side of the story right from AEHI. I REALLY like the sports car in the name of "compensation" from the person that takes NO PAY!! Oh, and what about that MIT claim AND the SEC Filings. The truth hurts but it shall set you free!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder no longer where all of the money has gone...Don drives it. Have a great day.

Great post OM,

That is funny that Saint Gillispie has been claiming to "take no pay," while he sucks the stockholders money to drive a Mazerratti! I hope Kim bought some stock, and feels good that every time Gillispie fills the tank on his trips to Elmore, the local economy booms with each fill up...Peter

OpinionMissy: I have always liked you and enjoy your blogs. So it is with respect and hope that you not take offense when I write this. I tried to go to the last two documents but it was not found. The first one is a disclosure showing the stockholders and how many shares they own. I fail to see what is being revealed as a lie. Again, I will stress that I don't know this Gillespie guy nor do I wear a cheerleader outfit, (my apologies to my husband), but I can view a situation and give my take on it.

Let's talk about what is reasonable. It is reasonable that a person will speak positively about their work. If you have shares in a company and give a large portion of your life to a company, I imagine that you are going to market that company to the best of your ability. Are you faulting the man for that? If you are a CEO of a company and you are offered perks, that discredits you? If you are not paid for the hours that you give a company but accept something in leu of money, that somehow makes you a shaddy character? I don't know the whole situation but it seems that is what you are implying. That we shouldn't trust anyone because we don't think it's fair that they get something that we don't get? Why do we hate people who make more money or have better stuff? Why is it in our nature to think badly of our neighbors if they have more? Our happiness can't be found while playing that game. (I think that is why God tells us it is a sin to covet thy neighbors "stuff")

Are you saying that he is lying about not being paid because of a car? He gets compensated with a car? If that is true, then let's be reasonable. Here's a few examples: Let's say that you are offered a job working for a company making, for the sake of arguement, $20 an hour. Your duties include sitting, standing or walking short distances guarding the entrance to a building. You are required to wear a uniform, be clean-cut and keep a polite tone of voice. You are instructed to monitor who comes into the building, by checking their ID. You may occasionally, be required to refuse someone's request to enter the building but for the most part, you are smiling, looking at ID's and being watchful. Not a skilled job and it doesn't require hard work. In your heart, you know that what you would do doesn't warrant getting paid that much. Now, most people would jump at the chance to get the job. Most people would consider themselves lucky to land such a cush job. I don't know of many who would say, "Gee, it is such a good offer at a great rate of pay but I will have to refuse. You see, there will be people who will criticise me for getting paid so much for doing so little. People will resent me and call me names. Afterall, there are people who get paid half as much who work harder for it. There are skilled, educated people who are struggling to make it on less pay so that wouldn't be fair."

Or how about this scenerio: You are working for a company and you have great experience that would warrent a much higher salary than the company can afford to pay you, but you really like your job but you know that your resume could get you alot more money elsewhere. The company recognizes your value and they come to you and offer you a car as compensation for your hard work and loyalty. In their eyes, it ain't much but it's a gesture of their faith in you. Most people would take the car with loads of "Thanks" and drive it with honor. Do you think that you would say, "Gee, that is such a nice gesture and Lord, knows I would love to drive that car but I'm gonna have to say "No thanks." There will be people who will think badly of me for driving that car. There will be others who work so hard for very little pay, who will resent me. Some will say it is not fair."

And what about those auto employees making $45 an hour? I'm so sure that if I was offered that kind of money and great benefits, that I would turn it down cause people with college degrees don't make that much. Get real! I know that everytime I get a raise, I think of that. What will people think? Surely there are people who work harder than me who deserve it so much more! Maybe I shouldn't accept it. And benefits? I shouldn't accept those good benefits because there are so many who don't have it. Gee, I rarely break out in a sweat at my desk so I really don't deserve to be paid more than that guy who is cutting lawns or the one who is digging a ditch in the hot sun. (I don't know what they make nor am I saying anything degrading about those who do those jobs.) It's just not fair. And I am a horrible person for accepting my pay when there are so many who deserve it more. (commenting on my own computer on my own time-not working)

Kim, I have always enjoyed your blog as well and have always liked you too (girls with blogs must stay united!). I respect you as well and know that everyone has their own opinion.

I am working at home (I have a deadline) and must get back to work but I shall reply to your comments soon. Time is now around 2:33 and I have not billed for this comment nor done this on a company computer or on company time (FYI for when my boss reads this). Have a great day Kim and stay cool!

I can substantiate this claim if needed but I try not to double as a sleep aid...

This plant will sell to the highest bidder which without exception is not Idaho. The company is out to maximize profit and not goodwill. The future is uncertain and selling for less than what is optimal could be disastrous. If they can sell for 300% of Idaho's going rate elsewhere, they owe it to the stockholders and any potential customers to seek out the party with the highest Marginal Willingness to Pay. That party is not Idaho. New businesses to MH or close by will not be blessed with cheaper power than what is currently distributed. The developer has told me personally that he will sell to the highest bidder.

The ripple effects of the temp jobs will largely be retail. Other boom town scenarios of similar magnitude have shown this to be true. The employment created from ongoing operation is not going to create the 74 million that AEHI proposes. The multiplier for most export industries is 2.1. So 800 permanent jobs multiplied by 2.1 is not 74 million in indirect revenue. These 800 will be high paid but to make that amount with known behavioral patterns their wages would have to be above 150,000. That wage would jack up the production cost beyond the point of sustainability.

Ok, enough economics.. Take a sip of coffee.. I just dont believe that this company is painting the correct picture. Telling everyone that MH will become this thriving mecca where unemployment will be super low and many other superlatives is deceptive. Good salesmanship, yes it is. Kind of like a Shamwow commercial but the guy is old and wrinkled.

Good one Tim...and he drives a $125,000 sports car.

Hi Kim,

Looks like OM got carried away celebrating her & hubby's 10th, and never got back to you after her work to answer your question on the Gillispie lie to both Glenns Ferry and the SEC, ie, your comment on the documents "The first one is a disclosure showing the stockholders and how many shares they own. I fail to see what is being revealed as a lie."

So HAPPY Anniversary Tracy and hubby, and may I please submit an answer in her happy absence. Of course, I don't speak for OM, and she not for me, but here is the bottom line.

Gillispie claimed in Glenns Ferry that he has a Masters degree fom MIT. That is NOT true according to MIT!!! They should know, and Gillispie should know better than to lie, but he does on cost of nuke power, safety, and water use etc, so why not lie about your education!!!

So the SEC document that shows his & his Boards stock also states he has a Master's degree. Still a lie, but at least he clarifies it is MIT's Sloan School of Managment, instead of pretending he has a real MIT technical engineering type Masters from "MIT", which is ALL he said at Glenns Ferry on tape recording.

Gillispie's false statement to the SEC found at the top of page 11 claiming to have a Masters degree at http://www.pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=9201

As seen at http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2008/07/22/news/local_state/140839.txt he does NOT have a Master's degree! This report is over his lie to an innocent Glenns Ferry audience, but lying to the SEC is a felony. A few weeks at MIT's Sloan Business seminar is NOT a Master's degree, and lying about your credentials is a crime! Sloan says it is a "non-degree program" , NOT a Masters degree. Gillispie is a Master of Deceit, that's all he is a Master of...Peter

From last years T-N's "Gillispie attended a MIT graduate program, albeit one that didn't award him a degree to hang on his wall.

Donald L. Gillispie is a 1991 alumnus of the MIT Sloan School of Management Senior Executive Program, said Patricia Favreau, assistant director of media relations for MIT's Sloan School of Management. It's a non-degree program for professionals, she said, meaning Gillispie wouldn't have received a graduate-level degree from the institution."

Hey Kim and all,

Had to add, that at the ECC hearing the AEHI presentation claimed Gilispie graduated from Princeton, and AEHI had been "vetted by the SEC." Neither is true!! When folks were checking his claims a year ago, his page 11 claim his undergarduate degree was from Clemson, that was true. Now he told the ECC's and audience he was a "Princeton" graduate!

I appreciated OM's research that found the AEHI SEC claims on his paid pinksheets.com website. I ignored the pinksheets.com website because it comes with an SEC warning to potential suckers, that all info may be made up by "fraudsters." So I only searched the official SEC website, and it showed he and AEHI were in application, not "vetted by SEC," but it did not provide the odd illegal staements that AEHI posted on their paid ad on pinksheets.com

I paste the SEC warning about these so-called pinksheet stocks below. You can see it also by going to the AEHI webpage at pinksheets.com and clicking the "warning" about unsolicited quotations for "further information"...Peter

Found at http://www.pinksheets.com/pink/quote/quote.jsp?symbol=AEHI

Key quote: "The individual may unwittingly be relying on bogus pricing and false promotional information from spam email or faxes. Worse yet the individual placing the order -- while appearing as an unsolicited member of the general public -- may actually be in league with the fraudsters. That's frequently how the fraudsters get the public market started out of the blue, and how they are able to generate the appearance of investor interest and trading volume."

__________________

Unsolicited Quotations

When you see the word "unsolicited" as part of a stock quotation page on a website such as the Pink Sheets (marked as "unsolicited") or OTC Bulletin Board (marked as "U"), you should be aware that the quote is not necessarily a market maker's own quotation reflecting a price based on market conditions or current information about the company being quoted. Instead, it is a quotation that a market maker posts to reflect an unsolicited order by a customer. So, if you and anyone calls his or her broker, or places an on-line order for the stock -- without the broker's promotion of the stock to that individual -- that order would be posted at the customer's own designated price and marked as an "unsolicited" quotation. It is important to be aware that the individual placing such an order may not be relying on current information about the company -- which is vitally important before making an informed investment decision. The individual may unwittingly be relying on bogus pricing and false promotional information from spam email or faxes. Worse yet the individual placing the order -- while appearing as an unsolicited member of the general public -- may actually be in league with the fraudsters. That's frequently how the fraudsters get the public market started out of the blue, and how they are able to generate the appearance of investor interest and trading volume. So when you see the word "unsolicited" in reference to the quotation's status, you should be cautious and find out whether there is current information about the company before you buy or sell the stock.

Okay, here is some pretty funny stuff from a couple of AEHI documents done or at least approved by good old Don himself!

From AEHI's Form 10K at page 6 (bottom of the page) he states the following (this is a directly from HIS document):

"The Site for this Project has passed preliminary evaluations by ENERCON, an engineering firm that grants pre-approval of nuclear plant sites

and assists with filing the NRC application. IEC's rezone application was recently accepted in the first quarter of 2008 by Elmore County

planning and zoning officials. Approval from the NRC is necessary, and once granted, it will take three years to begin construction of the plant."

Funny, I missed the part where this proposed re-zone was "accepted" by the Elmore County P & Z. Can someone please help me out on this, Retired Exec. perhaps or maybe Ms. Ireland?

It gets better...

From AEHI's Annual Report of 3/31/2009, which was filed with the SEC--- AEHI plans to build UP TO 6 advanced reactors at the proposed location (IEC/Idaho Energy Complex) here in Elmore County. Sounds like more than 100,000 gallons of water will be used per day. Sounds like we have been lied to yet again and some of these documents are far less than truthful.

Have a great day everyone and enjoy the sun! This is the end of my public service announcement for the day as I must get to work.