Schools to seek $2.8 million levy

You can only get so much blood out of the citizens. Why don't they cut welfare and food stamps then put the money they save into education. How about only giving unemployment for 90 days instead of the years and years people sit on their butts collecting free money for not doing anything. Maybe the hard working people would not mind as much if the freeloaders were not driving fancy cars and buying alcohol and eating out on the tax payer's dollar.

Amen to that, I agree with you 100%, its time for the free loaders that drag down our great country to get off their collective behinds and be productive. I am sick and tired of given my hard earned money to a no good dead beat, I would rather burn it than let them have it. And I want to see what our money will be funding in this shortfall. I dont believe in cutting education, but if this is to pay for a principal under investigation to have paid leave and then let go, then I will not go along. The distric needs to have a line item memo ready at this meeting showing where this money will be spent. Its time this great country stand for something again instead of rolling over.

Well, we all saw this coming...

Dear Bloggers,

Here's idea, lets just do away with public education for the state of Idaho entirely...save us millions, so what that little Jane and Johnny don't get a education. Education is overrated anyhow. Let's produce dimwits in this state, what a second, you already have dimwits in this state, when you start complaining about basic education for the children of this state.

Need to get rid of all of the legislature and start over again. It's our awesome Mr. Otter with his slash and burn everything policy that has put us on this path. Do any one of you see the "big picture" here?

Look at the education and time required to be a educator, and the amount of money they are paid for the committment they endure...it's shameful! And you people keep complaining about the amount of money you put into education in this state...compared to other states, Idaho ranks in the bottom percentile in funding for it's public schools.

Is it worth the money? You darn right its worth the money. Mine and other children's future is riding on this levy, and we are not alone, many other districts in the state are now in the same boat, thanks to our elected state officials who have no conviction or courage. It's a sad day to be a Idahoian.

Dumbfounded - please cite your references for "Idaho ranks in the bottom percentile in funding for it's public schools" comment. I'd like to check that site out.

Dumbfounded, funny how you take our blogs and twist them. if you see in my blog, I state clearly, "I dont believe in cutting education". So where you get the, I want to just let it all go mentality, is beyond me. I have a problem with our fine district spending our hard earned taxes on a principal for "paid vacation" and then dismissing him in the end. Where could that good money have been spent, we will never know, since it was wasted in my opinion. I have two children in school here, so dont preach to me, I see the lack of attention to education my children get everyday. But guess what, I make certain I fill those gaps, to ensure they get the same great education I received. So, as I have said before, I would love to see what this money they so badly need is going to be spent on, since by right, it is my money they are going to ask for. If you dont want to know what our "elected state/county officials" are doing with "our" money, then you are in the same boat as those you claim to rail against.

The legislature did not only cut funding for education but actually completely eliminated funding for textbooks and technology - to name two. I wish that the legislature would have reconsidered cutting education, but it is done. Now it is time for our community to step up and do what is right for our children as they are ALL our children. I am proud to live in this community and I plan on supporting the levy.

I do support the levy and I would agree that education took an incrediable hit, in fact I don't think we are doing enough to ensure a good education for our children we could do more.

1) Not being a property owner, how do I help pay the levy? I would be the first in line to help.

2) I believe there needs to be a little more scrutny on non-essential spending. Questions should be asked before the check is written, is the item(s), service(s)or travel a District Need or a Want (you Know, as nice thing to have)?

I believe all of us should question the expenses and not just the tax payer. In other words, If I were a district employee, am I also a good custodian of the tax payers dollar? Obviously, the answer should alsways be yes, is it?

So finally, lets come together and support our teachers and our children, they truely need it and deserve it.

Amen scoutin! They cry that they are broke but spend it like they have it. This is a no vote. I have seen what they spend on and how they use our money. Until they trim the fat...I do not intend to cut one more dime from my budget.

Do the research. Look what they spend on and what they do with your tax dollars. Sorry but the cry me a river was a sham with the bond and it is a sham now. I just hope people will be smart enough to do the research and look at the facts AS OPPPOSED to the garbage the MHSD feeds us. Enough is enough already. People only make so much. We can only pay so much. Imagine where we would be had MOST of us voted for that "badly needed" bond which was based on false info.

The entire thing makes me want to vomit. Time to spend only what you have and make do---it is what many of us are attempting to do out here in the real world.

OM, I agree with the accountability piece, I just don't think that the teachers and students should suffer when there are other expenses that could be cut before payroll.

I support the levy, I would just like to see more accountability on the expenitures.

Why doesn't it go to a ballot, if you want this levy, vote to take the money from what the WECRD gets, so the money actually enhances our children???Just a thought

Very nice Idahogrinder, I agree, lets get this money to the SD where it can be used. The WECRD has proven incapable of using it wisely and now that we have a need, I concur that it should be rechanneled to a needed area of the budget. The $12k being used for non-profit sports can stay but the rest, or a very large chunk of it should be routed to the SD. But as we all know this will never happen. The county/city gov would rather take more from us than be smart with their spending, I love election season.....

If there is alot of fat to be cut it is already been done I think. Why doesnt State govt fund Education as it should? Maybe that is the question to ask. What is the purpose of State Taxes if they dont properly fund schools?

Our family put our daughter through Boise State she is a 2nd year teacher and will be a great one! Her school is excited because they have enough paper, yes I said PAPER to get through next year if they dont get money to buy more.

Lets Support our Schools as best we can during these times and demand State Govt does as well

You have to be a property owner to get taxed. Some older people who don't have children going to school will get taxed while some who have children in school won't have to pay taxes because they aren't property owners. There should be a better way to handle the situation and all children need a good education.

I guess taking more from an elderly retired person on a pension so the school district can pay for 2-4 weeks of administrative vacation is better than letting the elderly eat or have electricity. I believe every child needs a good education and as a community we should support that. On the other hand they won't get a yes vote from me on this levy until the principle pays back every penny he received on administrative leave prior to his dismissal. Until the school district can prove they are spending our money wisely they won't get more from me. I would rather buy items myself and send them to school with my child. Check out the HS Band they haven't had new uniforms for over 10 years and are making due. Should they get new uniforms absolutely, but they are smart enough to know that they would rather have instruments and sheet music. You have to be an idiot to keep giving your money to corrupt and crocked officials especially in these economic times when almost every family is having a hard time making ends meet.

No more taxes...as a retired worker, I cannot afford to pay any more taxes to send kids to school. Everybody needs to take a hard look at their property taxes. Special interests (Bonds and fees) are already more than the county taxes! We need to replace some people and put business men or women in charge of the money. I agree that we should use WECRD funds to supplement the schools.

Idaho already has a wonderful system in place for online education for college students at Independent Study of Idaho, www.uiweb.uidaho.edu/isi. College courses are available through ISU, UoI, BSU, LCSC. Why not expand this system with online high school courses that will provide our students something productive to do with their computers AND cut the overhead for operating our high schools dramatically.

Online education has proved to be a great option for those wanting an education but unable, for what ever reason, to physically attend classes. Why can't the state of Idaho use the system in place to encompass high school education as well. Of course there will still be a need for elementary and middle school and special needs for some high school children, but this would fit the vast majority of our high school students. Those students who are not interested in an education would possibly not succeed with this system - who cares!! We are long past hand holding and sending out an attendance officer to wrangle in those who really don't want to go to school. Personal initiative allows students to move as quickly or slowly as necessary just as it does for college students. Bottom line, there are other options.....

If the WECRD is dissolved the $$ goes to the County and has to be used for Recreation.

This is not an Idaho problem, it is happening nationwide. There are a lot of creative cost cutting measures being adopted everywhere. I, like most of the posters, will not support a levy. I would consider the levy an option if Mr. McMurtrey and the rest of the school district administration would cut their own pay. I am not including teachers, just the administrators.

jtrotter, I like your thinking, if this money is so needed, then the admin can take a cut as we give our money. So we know the money is going where its needed, not for a paid vacation for a dismissed principal. I know these administrators are making way more than I am, and Im sure are doing much less. If this is going to be a give, there needs to be a take, you would get more support with an idea like that. Which means it more than likely wouldnt be approved.

The MHSD still owns land, that could be sold...but they have elected not to do so. They had Billy boy on 2 months PAID leave. During that time, Billy boy asked for extra time to prepare...so he could turn around and quit. If the MHSD has money for these things...they get too much from taxpayers. The more WE give, the more they will spend. They need to learn to live within their means and on a BUDGET.

I am not against education. We need educated kids. However, when 50% of the school budget is spent on pay and benefits, there is a problem. So, in short, more taxes are not going to buy books and computers. Do the research and look at the facts. You can see all that you need to form an informed opinion right from your computer. The state has a telling site.

Look at the MHSD history. They lied on the last bond and got nailed. Spending has been out of line for years! Now it all catches up.

People only make so much. More taxes that people are unable to pay are not the answer. People on a fixed income can only pay so much. People need to get their expectations more in line with reality. I know the facts based on data right from the MHSD and the state. Do not let puff the magic dragon blow smoke up your butt.

Both the administrators AND the teachers are getting pay cuts for next year. It is a fact that they are going to be AT LEAST four percent for teachers and six and a half percent for administrators... plus, the pay cuts could go as high ten to eighteen percent.

When you talk about rejecting the levy so you are able to pay your bills, think about taking a ten percent pay cut and then trying to keep paying your bills.

I have to agree with OM, we would like to see the fat trimmed first before you ask for another pound of flesh. If theres land to be sold and adjustments to be made, make them first. Pay doesnt have to be cut from the teachers, I want to see it trimmed from the administrators, Im sure theres a large pool of money there. And I have my budget set to live if I or my wife take a pay cut, or God forbid lose our jobs. Its called planning for the worst, if I can do it, Im sure the county and city can too.

OM- I wonder if you have anything positive to say about any city or county organization. I have been researching the issue and comparing our school district with other districts. It appears that everyone is in the same boat. Anyway - 85% of school district budgets in Idaho are spent on employee pay and benefits. The legislature has left this shortfall to the school districts to sort out. Our district and children need the community to step up and help.

Mountain Home Native,

Everything you said is 100% true... thank you! :)

Why would you want to say anything nice about public servents who do not want to be truthful when they request more money. If they were more transparent and receptive to our requests, which I dont see as over the top, maybe we would be less, oh I dont know, agitated at them wanting more money from a dern near dry well.

I hope this helps answer some of the comments posted. Most of these topics were recently covered at the MHSD School Board meetings.

FEATHERVILLE AND ATLANTA PROPERTY

April 14th Special Board Meeting

http://mountainhome.id.schoolwebpages.com/education/sctemp/727afd112f004d0b6c52f...

The school board asked to get the properties appraised

PRINCIPAL PLACED ON PAID LEAVE.

The principals of MHSD signed a State of Idaho Standard Administrator contract for the 2009-2010 school year. On the third page of the contract it states.

"in accordance with Idaho Code 33-515, the teacher on a renewable contract shall have the right to automatic renewal of the contract by giving notice in writing, of acceptance]of renewal"

IC 33-515 references IC 33-1001 which defines a teacher as "any person employed in a teaching, instructional, supervisory, educational administrative or educational and scientific capacity in any school district." So therefore IC 33-515 states that "If the board of trustees takes action to immediately discharge or discharge upon termination of the contract a certificated person whose contract would otherwise be automatically renewed or to renew the contract of any such person at a reduced salary, the action of the board shall be consistent with the procedures specified in section 33-513(5).

http://law.justia.com/idaho/codes/33ftoc/330050013.html

If a principal is still under contract, by law the school board must honor the conditions of the contract, to include their salary and benefits, until a due process hearing can take place.

ADMINSTRATOR PAY CUTS

http://mountainhome.id.schoolwebpages.com/education/sctemp/43a3f34a46f15ce257911...

The Administrators will be required to reduce their salaries by 6.5% even if the levy passes.

If you would like to make a public comment on the current situation, we have a meeting schedule for the 27th of April at 7:30 pm. The meeting will take place at the school district office.

If anyone has any questions or concerns, I would be happy to address them. I can be contacted at:

wtmurray_1998@yahoo.com

William Murray

Mountain Home School Board Trustee Zone 4

I am responding to Opinion Missy's comments on the levi. Wow! Not against education? Well then why don't you teach? Can you afford to? You may find that it costs more to earn qualifications to teach than what a teacher gets paid to do that job. 50 percent on benefits? Actually, the last time I checked it was more than that, but if you speak to a highly qualified teacher, ask them about the debt they have incurred to be highly qualified just to take a pay cut in order to prove to our community that they are more than willing to continue to make sacrifices for our children. Children they did not bring into the world but would do anything for: to include giving up income so that the kids can feel valued while the community continues to deny them tools to improve the quality of their education. Have you asked a student what their opinion is? Have you asked a student from the HS what it feels like to be denied improvements in that building? They are likely to respond with questions that sound a lot like "why do they not want us to have a good building to learn in?" I wish this town would let the students tell you their needs and then you can stop pretending to understand what the needs of our schools are. The kids are the ones who pay. I would suggest that you visit the classrooms. See what happens in the rooms. Sit in the desks, then decide. If you want your students educated by people who do not continue to seek education, then continue to complain about the gobs of money that teachers in MH make. Allow them to continue to sacrifice and cut their already unsubstantial income just to prove to you that your kids are worth it. But be sure to notice that a lot of our educators probably qualify for a lot of the programs that our president is enacting to aid people in the lowest income brackets. It may seem as though a lot gets paid to teachers and benefits, but consider the amount of education these people have and how much that costs to get. I bet you would be shocked to know that a McDonald's manager makes a better living. Look that up and then comment on your findings. You want good teachers for your kids? I would suggest that you pay them so that they can continue to meet the high costs of getting the education in order to educate others. I am not sure why it is you believe that people who work in the school live such a lavish life-style. I know of teachers who dip regularly into their own pockets to provide supplies for their classrooms.

MsMarylin,

You said:

"You have to be a property owner to get taxed. Some older people who don't have children going to school will get taxed while some who have children in school won't have to pay taxes because they aren't property owners. There should be a better way to handle the situation and all children need a good education."

So you are saying that we should not take and interest in educating children if you are retired and no longer have children in school? So what happens when you need critical care in a nursing home and you have no qualified people to manage that care because you decided it was not your responsibility to educate kids that were not yours-- after yours got an education and left the city or state for more prolific jobs?

Scoutin,

"Why would you want to say anything nice about public servents who do not want to be truthful when they request more money."

Why say anything nice about schools at all? It is always easy to blame our system of education for all of life's problems rather than to look at what we have failed to do to contribute to change other than simply preach it. Paid vaction? Hmmm... Why is it that we want to jump to conclusions even when we have limited information? Why is is so easy to say, "Sorry you hit a rough patch, guess we'll just forget the years you have invested in this company and deny you all rights to any kind of protection that would allow for your survival and dump you in the street. There are laws the are in place that prevent these things from happening in almost any job that requires one to have an education or any kind of specialized training. So vacation, whatever you want to think, but there are rules to play by and I do not see that as a abuse of funds, but a adherence to the game rules that are often laid out in employment. Look at the Boise district. They have delt with paid administrative leave due to issues they had. It is due process.

Here is the correct link for the ADMINSTRATOR PAY CUTS

http://mountainhome.id.schoolwebpages.com/education/sctemp/727afd112f004d0b6c52f...

My apologies if I caused any confusion

William Murray

Mountain Home School Board Trustee Zone 4

Love bug, I know how hard it is to be a teacher, and your right I do blame our system right now. Why, because at this moment they are more concerned about educating to "test standards" rather than to knowledge needed. The worst thing that could have happened was base school funding on tests, now our children work harder, but learn less than we did when I was in school, that seems backwards. So, how do I help, well, I ensure I supplement my childrens education to make dern sure they get the whole picture and have a better chance out in the world. And as for being paid less, well Im in the military, so dont preach to me about making less. I "chose" to be in the military and make less, so Im guessing those teachers "chose" to teach and make less. And as for the principle, well, theres a little birdy that told me his problem envolved harrasment of a bad nature. So, like you say, there are laws and rules in place, if he broke them, then he should have to pay back his "paid vacation", but instead he took the money and ran. Because, Im sure if the truth came out of what he did, he would most deffinately have to pay it back. Like the wise sage once said... you can have a 100 good apples, but it only takes one bad apple to make them all sour...

IDCOUG:

This is directed toward you (these questions). Why did the MHSD attempt to sell a bond to the community based on false information? The MHSD OPENLY stated that enrollment was up. When a person went and checked, and the MHSD has now stated, numbers were DOWN---pretty much across the board. Then, the MHSD stated that the big fancy gym proposed was MANDATED by the state. When we checked, that was not true. The MHSD stated that dropout numbers were high between HS and JHS due to the fact that the classes were split (kids who should be at the HS were not due to space). When we looked at the numbers, that was NOT true either. These are just a few of the FACTUAL untruths that the MHSD attempted to pull off. I have saved the best for last. Then, the public offered to work (FOR FREE) with the MHSD to come up with a bond plan/building design that would work----that WE, the people were willing to pay for. Mr. McMurtrey could not be bothered. Pretty sad.

lovebug, I have worked in the local schools. I was in ESL and special ed classrooms when I worked for the local district. I have been in the buildings and sat at the desks. I have interacted with students and still interact with students in this local area. Now, on to education. I have a college degree. I came out of school with over 70K in loan debt. I am now down to my last 7K and I am 38 years old. I work in the legal field. I make pretty good money. I have had 3 pay cuts this year in an effort to remain employed. Sometimes, we do not make what we feel we are worth. In this economy, I am just happy to have found a job where I get paid for time worked and my pay checks clear the bank. The economy is tough and WILL get worse.

With that said, it is time for all taxing groups to cut back not spend/tax more. For many years, this country has lived far above their means. Well, it has all come home now. Higher taxes have NOTHING to do with not wanting to contribute to education. It all boils down to an INABILITY to pay more. If a person is on a fixed income, they only have the ability to pay so much. I do not feel I should have to work 3 jobs to pay more taxes for MY money to be misused/wasted.

Teachers seem to feel they are exempt from the economy. Well, they are not. If these teachers are so unhappy with the way things are they should not have become teachers. It is well documented that teachers do not make what doctors or lawyers may. If you took a job in education to get rich, you made the wrong choice. YOU made the choice.

When I was in school, the "Administration" were teachers---they were in classrooms, TEACHING daily. They pulled double duty. And, there was no assistant to the "Administration." There was no 100K + pay for the head cheese. The schools job is to EDUCATE. Maybe get back to the basics until things turn around. Maybe get back to reading, english, math and science. When I was in school, we had really bad budget years. I grew up in a rural community much like this one. If you were in sports, your parents paid to float the program. Choir? Parents paid to float that as well. Our education system was designed to educate NOT make sports stars when times are tough. We had 40-45 kids in a classroom with ONE teacher and no aides (other than volunteer parents).

School is what you make of it. You do not need a fancy building to learn. Would it be nice, yes. Is it required to learn, no. Kids make do with far less than what we have here. Many on here want all of this neat, fancy stuff. Who is going to pay for that? Who will pay to maintain all of this? It all goes back to what this community HAS THE ABILITY to pay for which is FAR different than what we WANT (or are willing) to pay for.

The WECRD could have cut the tax for this year to 0. They chose not to. There must be some give and take in this economy as opposed to take-take-take. You only make so much. You can only pay so much. 2+2 still equals 4. Some in this community have been bled dry. What about them?

I am not anti education or kids. I am against the bull spending that goes on. The MHSD would like us all to think they are victims in all of this. They are not. However, the taxpayers ARE.

Just my 12 cents on this Saturday morning.

IDCOUG, do not take us all for idiots. Mr. McMurtrey felt he had the last bond in the bag and would not postpone the vote. You see where that got him/the MHSD. He was so sure. We have more educated voters now and people who research the facts. Try truth in your next proposal and MAYBE you will get the results you need/want. Truth is always the best policy which is something the MHSD seems to have a problem with.

Directly from the MHSD Board Minutes as posted:

A thorough and complete discussion continued regarding the budget and possibly running a

supplemental levy. The discussion included how much should teachers be expected to sacrifice for their career; parents will have more daycare expenses with the furlough days; the possibility of staff leaving Mountain Home altogether therefore not only affecting the school district, but all the businesses in town, which would result in a reduction of taxes collected by the city and county, and so on and so

forth -- the trickle down affect. Mr. Ogborn reviewed the cuts already made such as the elimination of administrative professional training, maintenance reductions including allowing the grasses and fields

to brown, etc. The district has already notified principals that all field trips for next year have been

eliminated. Mr. Ogborn stated that with all the cuts and reductions, the district would still have a $2.7

million dollar deficit.

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The discussion led to suggestions of running a supplemental levy. Mr. Ogborn asked if the Board

thought the public would be willing to pass a $2.5 million dollar levy. He felt if we asked for a $2.5

million dollar levy then those with a $200,000 house, could expect about their property tax to increase

another $20 per month.

Chairman Alexander asked if it would be financially beneficial for the district to sell Atlanta and Pine

properties. The Board discussed the pros and cons of selling property during this economy. They all

concurred if the district could not sell the properties for what they are worth during a regular economy;

it wasn't worth taking a loss on the properties. Trustee Murray asked what it would do to our tax base.

It wouldn't affect us because the community is still in a school district. Chairman Alexander asked Mr.

Ogborn to have the properties appraised and research what the properties were worth for the last six

years.

So, the tax payers can take it in the shorts on their home sales, etc. but the MHSD is above that? If you have things that can be sold---SELL THEM before you ask the voters to fund a levy. How much do we pay to maintain this land that does the school no good? These Minutes are offensive to me as a tax payer.

Mrs. Lauric,

I am sorry but I can not answer your question. You are asking me to assume what 5 members of the school board were thinking 2 years ago. If I were to answer your question, it would be based strictly on my opinion and not fact.

What I would recommend, is for you to come to the next school board meeting and ask the members of the board yourself. All members of the public are welcomed to attend the meetings and everyone is afforded an opportunity to speak if they sign in prior to the meeting.

William Murray

Mountain Home School Board Trustee Zone 4

Mr. Murray:

I have attended school board meetings. They listen about as well as the ECC's. Do your research and know the facts. Do not assume that I do not have my facts together. Many who comment on here were involved with the research on the school bond. So we know the facts. Get back to me when you have yours.

Observer, you are a waste.

OM,

Please don't assume that you know what teachers think. You are not a teacher, and according to the short history you provided, you were an assistant... you have never been a teacher.

Things are bad all over. I don't expect to be treated differently just because I am a teacher. I am just trying to do my job. Things have been cut everywhere, and everyone is taking a hit. I don't expect to be exempt from that. As a teacher, my interests lie in making sure I have enough paper for my classes (which has been a problem in the past), being able to get dry erase markers when I need them, etc. My focus is making sure the students are impacted as little as possible, even though I am given less and less every year to ensure that.

I chose to be a teacher. I never assumed I would get rich in this career. Please don't make assumptions that you have no business making. Also, please don't assume that others don't have the "facts" and are not as "educated" as you are. Everyone is entitled to have their say, and they are trying to do just that. Your name calling and put-downs on these message boards are getting very old.

A couple of issues that I think need to be addressed on this issue:

1) what kind of town do we want to be known for? What are our priorities? I can tell you right now, it's not our youth. I for one, would like to be able to beat my chest and say that Mountain Home is an excellent community that puts it's children first, but I cannot. So I ask you then, why is that and what can we do about it, especially in today's unstable economy?

Would you agree that even (or maybe especially) in a declining economy that it is benefecial to maintain essential services (fire, police)). I don't think too many people would argue with that. Education, however is not considered essential becuase it only applies to certain families that have children actively attending school...but it is. That's what people fundamentally fail to understand until it's too late..

A few people have posted that it is innapropriate to be taxed for education purposes when they are not directly connected to the education system. Perhaps they are correct, but what then do you propose? Let me help and give you a few options:

- We could 'A', privatize the whole system. Right now it's somewhere around 6500 a student, so in a pure capitalist system, only the fortunate could afford to send their children to school. (I do consider myself a capitalist, so don't form your stereotype just yet). Perhaps, this is the answer. You decide. Probably not when you tie in the loss of state and federal funding though too. Also, we now directly limit lower income families from attaining the American dream...I'm pretty sure something that might sound like "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Maybe that's too egalitarian for everyone here.

- Option B: we allow our system to fail. Wait, that's we are already doing. The future of Mountain Home is in jeoparday...who knows what we produce, but stick around, we're soon to find out.

- Option C: we pass a temporary measure to sustain, let me reiterate SUSTAIN baseline education in this community.

Do I hate taxes, yes...who doesn't. Is there a significant need to maintain a certain standard of education in this community? Well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out... What then do you do about it? Let it go down the toilet? I don't think so. I want the absolute BEST education for my children & oh by the way children's children. Heck, give the teachers a raise, not a cut. Are you kidding me! Where is everyone's priorities???!!!

My next issue (#2):

That of teacher pay...

It sounds like some people do realize that teacher's get paid next to nothing, but there are a few in this posting that have NO idea...

Here's the difference (scoutin) on a teacher's salary vs. that of a military member. Let's give an accurate representation here:

A teacher has at least a four year degree, perhaps more if he/she had to attain a certification post degree completion, and (for our sake) hopefully has a Master's (but Mountain Home only pays teachers 1k a year extra for that-obviously not important to us). Pricetag 35 to 55k at a public college.

Here in Mountain Home, that same newly distinguished graduate gets to start at a whopping 30K and some change a year (less than a high school educatedSrA with four years of service living off base and drawing BAH/BAS). So to recap, a teacher in mountain home starts out with a 30K year salary with a boat load of debt. Sounds awesome doesn't it?

So let's then compare apples with apples. A 2LT (22 year old, 4 year degree) in the AF here in Mountain Home makes about 65K a year (twice as much as a teacher, with some of that money tax free). That's his/her STARTING salary.

Bottom line, yes a military member could make a lot more as a civilian doing what we do (if one could get a job in today's economy), but there is not a single job in the U.S. that requires a college degree that pays as poorly as a teacher's salary...AND TEAHCERS ARE EDUCATING THE FUTURE OF AMERICA!

There had better not be another single post deningrating the pay of teacher's on this site...because I can tell you, you do not have a leg to stand on (not even if you're in the military, and this coming from a proud military member).

Last issues (#3), that of taxation:

Who pays the taxes here in mountain home?

If you're in the military and live on base, you don't own a home, so you don't pay taxes right?

If you rent a house here in mountain home you don't pay taxes either right?

If you live outside of the city limit, but your kids go to school here in MH, you don't pay taxes right?

Wrong, wrong, and WRONG. Did anyone in here every take high school level economics? Ever heard of the mulitplier effect?

Would you rather the AF base just pack in leave. Think of what that would do to the tax base? Really think about it.

An education:

- So I'm in the AF, live on base, but my kids go to school in the school district. Am I helping to pay for it? YES. Every dollar you spend in this community eventually makes it's way to property tax in some fashion.

- So I rent a home here in beautiful MH, my kid goes to the HS, do I pay taxes. YES! Possibly as directly as the homeowner. Your rent likely corvers the homeowner's mortgate, taxes and insurance, and then some.

- So I live outside the district but my kid goes to the elementary school. Do I pay taxes? YES! in nearly the same fashion as the AF member.

Economics 101 complete. Ms. retired person, more than just the homeowner pay taxes in this community. By the way, shouldn't you care more about the legacy you leave behind for the future of MH than your last few years on this planet. We're all going to die eventually, it's the legacy you leave behind that matters.

luv2fly:

This has little to do with what people are WILLING to pay and everything to do with what they are ABLE to pay. A person only makes so much no matter how you want to try to slice the pie.

I'm a senior citizen and yes I pay taxes on my house. I am all for our children getting a good education from K- 12. I don't like to hear that some of our schools are falling apart and they are in need of repair and our children have to deal with this issue Monday - Friday

I also know some Seniors who barely can afford to buy food and their Medications. Some times they have to make a choice there and if they are a home owner still have to pay their taxes

I wish there was a easy answer, not everyone has the same income, some have more then others. Our Children are our future we must look into our hearts and find away

OM:

I think there are more "able" people out there than you think. Let's make this community BETTER, not worse...and that really is what it comes down too.

Back to my original post: if it came down to it...our kids get educated to meet standards, or you turn your sprinklers off every other day, what sacrifice do you make?

luv2fly, as I have said, each of us "chose" what we wanted to do, no force put upon us. Your right a 2LT does make more (on paper), but he/she has huge expenses to pay for the first few ranks and years in the military. They have to pay for everything they do, not like enlisted and they have to pay for their degrees to be officers. I have several officer associates who are just making it by as young officers. And if you had read my post clearly, you would have seen I did not talk of lowering a teachers pay, but the administrators who are in charge of how the funding is spent. The teachers are in the trenches being asked to do more with less by the same administrators who let a fellow administrator walk without owing anything back and collect a two week vacation. There are other avenues to get the money that the SD does not want to pursue, because as usual, they feel its easier to get a levy/tax from the people. And I dont see how I attacked the reputation or character of the teachers pay in my comments. If you felt I have I apologize, but your threat at the end of your comment was very rude. This is an open forum, not a place to make threats.

Scoutin,

Though your attack on the administrators may/may not be valid...it's the many teachers that are facing the 4% cut that in my opinion is the issue at hand. They are the ones, like you said, are in the trenches and will have the largest effect on our youth. So are we to cut teacher pay just because you don't like how the issue was dealt with a single isolated incident?

And how do we deal with an accused in this society? If you and I in the military are accused of sexual harassment, are we immediately kicked out on our feet with a dis-honorable discharge? NO. We are afforded the rights of due process under the UCMJ. Shoot, it would probably take 6-9 months before our case ever went to trial, all the while getting a paycheck.

As for my "rude" comment, you're right, but I stand by it. The inaccurate statements on this post and others needed to be corrected. If you have something to say about a teachers salary, get the facts first.

As for officer's paying for school only a small segment of officer's pay for their entire education. About 1000 officers are commissioned via the AF academy every year. Cost = 0. ROTC: full to partial scholarships too. At 65k starting a year, one is in a much better position to pay off any remaining balance too. My college was paid off within a year if finishing and, I still have a GI Bill untouched. Master's is nearly paid for too.

Teacher's have scholarship opportunities within education too, but there really is no comparison when it comes down to it.

Luv2fly.....nice rant. Your comparison of apples to apples was intriguing but unless you worked a columbine I don't recall a lot of teaches getting shot at or have to worry about IED's as part of there job; more like apples to oranges. I do agree that teachers don't get paid enough and after spending a career in the military I went into teaching. Trust me it wasn't for the money, as a matter of fact without my retirement from the military I couldn't make ends meet. I actually teach because I enjoy it. But the issue isn't the teachers pay it is the irresponsibility of the education board and administrators. They created an environment of mistrust and suspicion from their previous acts. And a temporary levy seems to become permanent around here, with agencies like WECRD and the junior high debacles a few years ago it is not hard to understand the no vote. After this paid vacation for sexual harassment and the previous reasons are the reason I will vote no and champion that cause. If you keep putting water into a bucket with holes it will never fill up. We need to fix the holes first before I will support dumping more money into it.

I think we need some changes within the School Board. Jim Alexander has led us backwards instead of forwards with passing of things that they have decided. We need someone that is concerned about morals and values that are concerns now not stuck in we dont do things that way and get back on track to taking care of our kids. Teachers dont get paid enough to deal with all the problems that kids and their parents bring to school. Admin and the SB are the ones that need to take deeper cuts.

Actually the scary part of all this is that if the levy does not go through, we have been informed that we as teachers could see a possible 20% reduction in salary and benefits, I would most likely lose my house if that amount were cut.

They are also talking at the state level about another 5% holdback next year.

The 4% is IF the levy passes.

pooh and Retirmentcanbefun, I for one agree with you. It is interesting to me that there are inconsistencies in how the administartors deal with similar issues such as the principal and I will leave it at that.

I do however support the levy provided there is more scrutiny in managing the budget and expenses. At certain levels it seem as though there is no management in how the money is spent. I don't believe that the teachers and students should have to suffer for mistakes others have made.

desertsurfer49, did the SD or administrators state how much they would be cutting from their pay?? So it seems we are all in agreence here, the SD and administrators are not performing to task. So, the question is, what do we do about it and how much are we all willing to get involved. I am willing to get on board with a levy, but the SD and aministrators need to provide a line item memo on what exactly they are going to spend this money on. If any one of these items is "their" pay, then NO, notice I didnt say the teachers. I will support the supplies and such for the school, and keeping the teachers pay the same, but I will not support the SD or administrators pay staying the same. They have proven time and time again they can not and will not be wise and until they can be voted out they need to be held to standard. And it looks as though pay can be the standard.

I do not support the levy and none of my associates support it either.

I have to agree with Pooh on that it is time for a change in the make up of the school board members. The board needs to think outside the box to solve the current funding short fall. Look at the Bruneau/Grand View school district for an example. The superintendent is taking over principal duties as a means of cost savings. Is Superintendent McMurtrey ready to assume that responsibility? I don't know if that is the answer for the Mountain Home School district or not, but maybe have one individual be the principal over the junior high and high school and one individual over the elementary schools. Lay off junior teachers and those displayed principals can assume duties as a teacher. Just thinking.

Also giving the school district more money in the past has not shown to improve the schools outputs, so why would the school board think it will do anything this time. When the teachers start doing a better job with the students, then, and only then, can I support an increase in my taxes. Throwing more money at a problem does not solve the problem. It only makes it more costly to solve in the long run. I have to live on a budget, so the school district can begin doing that as well.

Which brings me to another issue I have, that being only property owners will pay any increase in taxes that comes along. However, many of those who will have the opportunity to vote will be individuals who rent and do not own property, and thus will not have to deal with the burden of paying additional taxes during a difficult economic time that we most likely will not see much improvement in for years to come.

Best wishes,

Luv2fly, your forgetting one thing when comparing the USMJ to the principle situation. After your court marshal they usually fine you along with other penalties. Unfortunately they won't or can't fine the principle oh I don't know let's say 6-8 weeks pay. I agree teachers don't get paid enough and sorry to hear desertsurfur might lose her/his house if they get a cutback, I agree teachers should not take a pay cut. Unfortunately I wonder how many retired homeowners barley making it on a fixed income will lose their homes if they have a tax increase of even $20.00 per month for this levy. Maybe they can give up food or electricity.

Great ideas Cool Running, these are things we need to bring up at the next SD meeting. There are better solutions to this than just taking more money from the public, who, as we all have stated are budgeting our lives right now. I truly hope they are reading this and taking these issues to task and not just waiting for a vote. Im sure the vote would be as disasterous to them as the last vote was.

Pooh,

I was alerted to the personal attack you launched against me. I find that interesting since not one person (including yourself) on these blogs has ever called me for an explanation of any of the matters you claim to know so much about, and feel character assassination is the appropriate avenue for resolution. I am also surprised by the folks who chimed in making accusations that they don't/can't substantiate.

Therefore, I expect to hear from you, since I am the only one on these blogs with the guts to use his real name.

I am the easiest person in Mountain Home to find:

Jim Alexander

Sav-Mor Drug

490 North 2 East

Mountain Home, Id 83647

587-3346

By the way, if anyone wishes to call me, please do!! I just might know something to help answer your questions. But remember, you have to use your real name!!

Okay, not to get to off subject in this discussion, but the point I was making about the paid leave for B.M. has been missed. An accused still has many rights afforded to him/her. You can't always just immediately dismiss someone without pay, especially one in public service who is retirement eligible. Retirementcanbefun, in some, yes some circumstances, when one is convicted in the military, they may be fined a portion of their income. Rarely are they ever fined their entire income. In my 15 years in the military, I might have seen one or two harrasment cases, but I can't honestly remember one in which the CONVICTED military member had to give back his entire paycheck, or even a nominal portion of it. One could face fines in a civilian court too. I'm not by any means an expert on law, but I do read the news.

As for the previous cliché, I'll gladly pile on...

Yes, there may be holes in the bucket that you eluded too, but the fact remains that the fire still persists, and the house will burn down if we don't do something. That fire is the lower quality of education our children are up against RIGHT NOW.

I'm glad to see this post moving in what I feel is a positive direction in that regard. I think most of us can agree that the teachers, but more importantly our youth, should not be punished.

I can't speak to whether or not the administrators are negligent or incapable of doing their job, many of you may or may not be able to either. The good thing is that may be an easy fix. Leaders can be replaced. Let's not cause permanent damage to our youth by placing more constraints on their already meager education.

In a macro sense, normally the worst thing you can do to an economy is burden it with tax. The flaw with that line if thinking with MH's economy, is that her two largest employers are from federal/public entities (1st: the AF and 2nd: the school district). By limiting the SD salary we will directly impact this community's economy negatively. Reduced pay, by as much as 20% will kill this economy. It's going to start a train wreck that will not be fixed with a simple levy next time. People in here are worried about 20.0 a month, but trust me, you'll lose a lot more, when teachers and the like leave this community in droves, when home prices, plummet, etc. and we just continue in a downward spiral.

Finally, I don't buy, that $20 a month will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Maybe for a few, very few isolated incidents, but in that case, those individuals probably aren't in the 200,000 valued homes and likely aren't facing a 20.0 a month increase.

I'm not one to advocate for increased taxes, and I'd certainly be open to creative thinking, but something needs to be done NOW. I want our kids to have the best possible education we can give them.

The next school board meeting is April 27th at 7:30pm.

William Murray

Mountain Home School Board Trustee Zone 4

Observer , Tiger 87. nice try but your comments will go way over her head. It is time for a new regime to take over the MHSD. It says something about this group when the coin toss for the seat on the board was made so 'the right person could be seated' right then you all should have been paying attention. Everything that is done by this group should be questionable. Folks out there are angry, and you should be ,if you can't go to the meetings, get a copy of the minutes and read what was said by all parties it's not hard to do. What this SD is doing will trickle down to everyone in this town. Accountibility is the word.

Being born and raised in Mountain Home and being a proud citizen of this town I am both annoyed and sadened by what I have read on this blog. The finger pointing and ridicule is astonishing and a bit surprising. I have children in the school district and I for one want what is best for them and if paying 10 or 20 more dollars a month will make that happen sign me up. Me like alot of people have been hit by the resession and hit hard but It is such a small amount to pay for the children of our community and your future law makers. People are complaining about decisions made in the past or are being made now but at least the people that are making those decisions have stepped up to try and solve the problem or do what they thought is or was best. The complainers seem to be the ones that cast the first stone but never have a solution. A REAL solution not complaints with no solutions. Have you thought about what will happen if the levy doesn't pass? Here let me give you an insight. There will be NO sports or activities for the kids. NONE-NOTHING. There may be a 4 day school day as well with even MORE cuts for our teachers. Remember they are the ones we trust with our most prized posessions (our children)and our future. So, now we have parents trying to find daycare on Fridays along with parents who won't be able to afford it so their children will be unattended. We will have no after school attivities to help keep our kids on the straight and narrow or help with scholorships or even self esteem. More kids are already in the class rooms and we have already had to let go of some conselor positions along with numerious other positions. By law some positions can never be eleminated so we are almost down to the bottom of the barrel already. Even if the levy passes there will still be cuts and our teachers will still take a cut and some sports will still be eliminated but it won't be as devestating. This is an emergency but no one wants to help they only want to complain. There is nothing else to scrape from but no one will listen and they don't realize that. I have read about people complaining about the youth now of days but take all of their attivities away and let them run around with out supervision and that will open an entire different can of worms. Children need guidence and support and from what I read and hear that is not what people are focusing on. 10 or 20 dollars a month is not a lot to ask for your childrens, grandchildren or great grandchildrens future. I spend that when I run to the store to get milk and come out with some snacks or things that I REALLY DO NOT NEED. We need this levy or this town will see so much devestation in our communtiy. I love my town and I need to support the decissions that are made and also I support our SD. There is so much more to the equation then everyone is aware of. The info is out there but some people refuse to research it or sit with there blinders on ready to veto or vote it down. Think of the kids and who will be the ones that will be suffering. I can guarentee the drop out rate will increase and the Tiger pride that we are known for will be no longer. Stop being selfish and think of the kids. Drive by our schools or maybe walk through them. Look at the inside ceilings in the hall way of the High School and look at the leaks and the damage. Drive behind the High School and see were our 9th graders class rooms are. Our SD has made due and found solutions and our maintence has patched and done everything they can and will continue to do. They are asking you to help with the emeregeny Levy. EMERGENCY is the key word here. There are wants and there are needs and we are past the want era. We have entered the need era. They are asking for help for the children and the community. Vote Yes for the levy.

Proudmomof3, I feel and understand your emotion, as most of us on this blog do. I too have children in school here, Junior and Senior High, and I know the state of the buildings and classrooms. I have walked through the halls and talked with the teachers, as Im sure most parents on here have. We understand the dire nature of the issue, as we have for a few years. The point we are trying to make is the SD needs to check all its options, the land that could be sold, but wont be, theres money there. The pay cuts at the adminnistrator level that could be made, since they have shown to let money go with a fellow administrator. The SD cast the first stone, if you think about it, when they chose to ignore the majority when we spoke and said "NO" to the last tax hike, due to the SD playing the slight of hand game. Its hard to believe they want whats best for our children now, and believe me "we" all want whats best for the children, not whats best for the SD. I think thats where you misread this blog, we all want whats best for the children and ensure the money is well spent and not just spent. Like I have said before, I supplement my childrens education, knowing they arent getting the full compliment I did when I was in school. And as for after school, well, Im the one responsible for my children, so I make sure I know what they are doing and how they are acting and mentor accordingly. I dont need the SD for that, its my job as a parent. And I dont think we are asking for much, a line item memo of what this money is needed for would be a great start. Maybe a renewed review of the land sale, I know if I had land and needed money, I would take the loss just to ensure there was money. Its empty land, so I dont see the reason to clinge to it like a jewel in the rough. We are all in this together, children in school or not, so there needs to be a smart decision made, not in haste but with due review and understanding. Just because you hear and see the word "Emergency" doesnt mean you need to panic, this is the time to think clearly and smartly.

Prowdmom, nice well thought out but there is a problem they keep taking and taking. They have been proven to lie and waste our money. $20.00 a month to you might mean snacks but to others it might mean heat, electricity, or even food other than snacks. As for nobody giving solutions you might want to re-read the posts.

1. Sell the unused land.

2. Make the principle pay back his paid administrative leave.

3. Have the parents of the kids in sports, band, cheerleading pay more. YES I'M ONE OF THOSE AND DON"T MIND PAYING MORE FOR MY CHILD.

4. Use the WECRD money to build a youth center/community center for afterschool activities supported and staffed by parents. PEOPLE FORGET ANOTHER TAX WE ARE PAYING FOR WITHOUT RESULTS.

5. Be a responsible parent and spend time with your kids instead of pawning them of on afterschool programs. PEOPLE ALSO FORGET THE SCHOOLS MAIN FUNCTION IS READING, WRITING, MATH, AND SCIENCE. NOT CHEERLEADING, SPORTS, OR BAND.

Parents need to step up and be parents, not keep throwing money into a pit of endless waste and fraud. It has been going on for years and years. Ask yourself when was the last time everyone had dinner together at home and talked? Do children still have to do chores at home? Kids expect thing to be given to them and some parents can't seem to be bothered. My vote is still NO until they sell the land and get the money back from the principle that quit rather than be fired.

Proud Mom, thank you for your post. I understand your passion for education. I have that same passion. As you know, every school district in Idaho is going through a difficult time right now. Every School Board member, every teacher, every classified employee and every administrator in Idaho is struggling to keep quality education at the forefront. I am very proud of our staff--pulling together for the betterment of all. In fact, what has defined the United States as a country has been the ability of our citizens to unite--E.Pluribus Unum (out of many, we are one). Can you imagine what would happen if some of these bloggers had their way back then? We not only wouldn't have public education, but we would probably not be able to muster an army.

I think it is also important to note your comment about complaints without solutions. "Riding into Dodge with six guns a-blazin'" might sound good, but we are a nation of laws. If we don't adhere to the rule of law, we will pay an even higher price (as in the case of the administrator). So, Retirement, if you think we can make him repay us as you describe, please give me the statute in Idaho Law that allows for that. I am happy to oblige--the Board, too, disliked the scenario, but usually take the advice of our attourneys. Also, Retirement, the land you refer to is going on the market as soon as it is appraised--maybe you already knew that.

Proudmom, this is an issue that is too important to let fail. Even though I no longer have children or grandchildren in our school district, my wife and I have always supported children. It saddens me that some people feel they have no responsibility to do so. When I grew up in this community, I had the luxury of knowing that someone was helping pay for my education--not just my parents. I wish that sentiment was more prevalent today. Maybe it is a matter of relying on the kinder angels of our nature (Abraham Lincoln).

Last, folks need to understand that in a democracy, society gets exactly what the voters want their community to be (Thomas Jefferson). If people want to recall the Board, or Board Members, that is their choice. However, someone is going to have to make these decisions based on fact, law, affordability, etc. Dealing with a national/state financial crisis isn't something that will just go away if we "throw the bums out". If the discontented folks on this blog have the answers, I am more than willing to step aside and let them take over. But take over they must! They won't be able to hide behind a fantasy name--they will have to make their decisions in the light of day for all the world to see (or blog about).

So, Bloggers, there is a Board meeting tonight at 7:30pm. Bring your questions and facts--I hope to see you there.

Thank you Mr Alexander for letting us know the land would be on the market after the apprasial. When do you think this would be? Also, will the board be willing to provide a line item memo showing what the moneies are needed for? This, I think, is very important to the people right now, so they know what the money is exactly going to support. My children are also in extracurricular activities and I would be willing to pay a little more for their activities, since by nature they are extras. I know there has to be some other cost saving ideas out there and I hope they are brought to the meeting. This isnt time to tear apart but come together as a community and find a solution.

Thank you for all the responses to my post and I would like to take a min. more to make a few comments. I am a very dedicated mother of 3 and I do take responsibilty for my children before and after and even during school. I have coached and been the head in fundraisers. I have worked food stands and been to meetings and feild trips. I have helped teachers in the class rooms as well as been a chaperone for dances. I have and will continue to do. I am trying to find a solution without punishing the children for decisions and things that are not in their control. As adults and leaders and parents isn't all of our responsebility to mold our future and if that means volunteering more then I am more then willing. I have brought up the "pay to play" to some of the administration but in doing that doesn't it mean that in this economy "only" the fortunate ones who haven't been hit by the recession will be able to participate? To play a sport is more then 10 a month guaranteed. What is that teaching our children that the more you have the better life is and the more you will get. For all the hard work they put in they aren't allowed or able to have some time to show their creativity or talents or athleticism. They will miss out on scholorships because of this. For some that will determine if they even go to collage. Then the drop out rate increases because of the education is cut because of more preassure on teachers which means more kids in class rooms that equal some being left behind. Then on top of that you add no activities to help with scholarships besides if you are an over achiever and then they are left in the shadows as well. That is taking away collage for children who can't pay for sports, or pay for tutors because of lack of classroom help. They will be left behind and then what? Drop out rates increase because they feel abandoned and frustrated with the cards they were dealt. We are the ones holding those cards and I for one will give my straight or full house if that helps our youth. I can and will sacrifice, I will head fundraisers or volunteer in the class rooms as much as I can. Also, in saying that I also work 2 jobs. I understand that for some it means electricty or gas but for the majority of us it means doing with out a little. If everyone really really thinks about it can you honestly say that you can not sacrifice 10 -20 dollars? With that comment the key word is "majority". Education is first by all means but even then it will be receiving cuts also. It is not just the activities that are going to suffer but our childrens education as well. We may not agree with the government making cuts to our education but making our children in the Mountain Home school district 193 be punished is not a way to get revenge. Our children need us and our community needs us and why can't we just pull together and let the kids know that we support them. I do not come from a military family but I do support the military 100%. I understand that a big majority are and I love that about Mountain Home. I sulute you but being part of the communtiy is also supporting its needs and helping solve the problem so even being retired or only here for a few years we still need you. Our children still need you and I may not understand or no all the answers but I can guarantee I will ask the questions and help instead of complaining with no solution. I love the Mountain Home Tigers and I love our youth and I will stand tall and proud to help and defend our teachers and administration. I challenge everyone who has concerns or complaints or sulutions to be at that school board meeting and help find a solution and not add to the problem. We owe it to our community and our children.

The SD cast the first stone, if you think about it, when they chose to ignore the majority when we spoke and said "NO" to the last tax hike, due to the SD playing the slight of hand game. you need to panic, this is the time to think clearly and smartly.

-- Posted by scoutin on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 11:55 AM

Actually, the "majority" did vote "YES" in support of the last two school bonds. Both votes were illustrations of when the minority rules.

Just how long do you think this levy is going to last?

There is a meeting tonight at 7:30 and I am sure they can give you the details on were the money is needed and how long the levy will be. Everyone is welcome and so excercise your freedom of speech tonight were the questions can be answered.

Yikes!

I was standing in line at Albertson's and heard one lady tell another..."the levy isn't for just 2.8 million bucks, it's for 2.8 million bucks each year for two years." Does anyone know if this is right?

I was at the meeting and no it is not for 2.8 million per year. It is a one time levy and the problem is people that don't know the facts. Call a school board member or ask me and I am more then willing to relay the answer. Everyone buy a paper tomorrow for the entire article because it is sad. I listened to them read off the pay cuts that the administration has already signed and agreed to for if the levy passes. If the levy doesn't pass it will increase.. Teachers with the levy will get a 4.0 % cut and the administration will get a 6.5 % cut. Then if the levy doesn't pass they will get another 8.50% reduction on top of the 4.0% and the 6.5% and that is not including what will happen to there insurance if that gets raised. All sports and academic competition will be cut 100% along with bus routes and maintenace. If a heater breaks be prepared to send your children to school in their sky pants and hats and gloves because we all know how Idaho winters are. COOLD. They will bring in other heaters with out being able to get the others fixed. Kindergarten full days on alternative days which means T-F will be the days from 7:30 to possibley 4:30 or 5:00. We are asking our kids to go to school longer then what most parents work. I don't want my kids to have that kind of preassure. The key word is "Children" I am sure most of you can remember those days when you had time to play and be a child. Those days will be gone because there will be nothing for them to do. Another thing is our school administration signed a paper agreeing to a pay cut and sacrifice for OUR children. They are OUR children and Grandchildren so help me understand why we expect others to sacrifice for OUR children but we are not willing to. If you don't know the answers then ask someone that does. Hear say and gossip just misinforms the community and in these hard times we need communication. Get the right info out and not the gossip. Please.

Hang in there Shannon, you are bringing logical informed information to the general public.

??? Now my alias is blown. :) I have no problem standing behind my words and am more then happy to debate or inform any one that needs the info. This is a community problem and the right info needs to be heard.

Proudmomof3,

Please refer to the school districts web site and read the sample ballot. It is clearly stated that the levy is for 2.8 million a year for the next two years. This is why the people of this communtiy are gun shy, they have been burnt too often.

I understand that it is for 2 years. The info hasn't been hidden and is on their web site. People just need to research, go to the meetings, and ask administration and SB members. Nothing is being hidden or kept from the public .It's really Not that long to save our education.

Thank you for speaking up proudmom. I wish more of our class would speak up for what is right.

So proudmom3, you were either lied to or you lied on your post of Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 9:26 PM when you said "I was at the meeting and no it is not for 2.8 million per year. It is a one time levy and the problem is people that don't know the facts." I don't know or care which one it was, but you now have no credibility with me. This is what turns voters off to this type of issue, lies and half truths.

Always ready to cast stones aren't we. You don't even no me to call me a lier and That is why the world is like it is. Forgive me but I meant to say that it is a one time vote on a 2.8 levy. Sorry. And the facts weren't hidden and the facts were at the meeting so if you were going to rely on others for your info you deserve to be misinformed. You should have been at the meeting or a simple thing as logging onto the SD web page and open your eyes and it is right there posted as clear as day for the world to see. But, I seem to forget that mistakes or type O's or ways of wording are sometimes to others lies and Like I stated before that is why the world is like it is. WOW.

jtrotter and retirementisfun. I am still shocked by the personal attacks that happen on blogs. I have never been on here to read these until the 27th . I had heard what was being said and the blogs don't have the best reputation for being the kindest places. I have seen it first hand and I have had to defend myself and others more then I have had to defend my own children from bullies at school. Who are the adults here? I wonder because there are a few young adults and students on here that we should all take note from. I think I may be loosing brain cells from this experience and 3 days of my life I will never get back from taking the time to try andvoice my oppinion. So in saying that, I think I will put my time to better and more positive use other then reading or blogging with a few select people that refuse to show the human kindness and understanding. Sure would make this world a much better place. Good luck girls.

proudmom3,

You have come on here and asked readers to ask you questions so you could relay the answer. My point to you is; you are presenting less than factual information as fact. "I was at the meeting and no it is not for 2.8 million per year. It is a one time levy and the problem is people that don't know the facts." This statement can not be represented as a typo or a misworded statement.

I checked the facts and called you on your information, nothing more or less.

It is only personal if you take it to be.