Local legislators battle over daycare bill

Sunday, April 12, 2009

BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- If a bill to toughen Idaho's daycare licensing laws dies this session, the Mountain Home lawmaker who has repeatedly sponsored such efforts says he is not likely to try again next year.

The measure sponsored by Sen. Tim Corder, R-Mountain Home, is the fifth attempt to change how the state licenses daycare since 2000.

Corder told The Associated Press on Friday that after several attempts to tighten daycare requirements, he may drop the issue.

Corder said it may take a serious incident at a daycare center before legislators are ready to change the laws, which were written in 1987.

"Maybe we need some more tragedy, some more vocal tragedies,'' Corder said. "Maybe something needs to wake them up.''

Ironically, one of the opposition leaders to Corder's proposal came from fellow Mountain Home state representative Pete Nielsen.

The bill passed the Senate 30-5 earlier in the session but has been hung up in the House Health and Welfare Committee, of which Nielsen is one of the ranking members.

"It mystifies me to think we need to have the same standards in different parts of Idaho,'' said Rep. Pete Nielsen, R-Mountain Home. `"I'm struggling with the fact that this could be a local government issue and we're making it big government.''

Currently the state requires licenses only for daycare facilities with 13 or more children.

Corder's bill calls for licensing all providers paid to care for four or more children. It would also require criminal history background checks and safety and fire inspections. The bill would restrict firearms, alcohol and tobacco use as well.

House committee members made their decision to delay a vote on the measure after listening to more than three hours of testimony from parents, daycare providers and state inspectors. Ultimately, the committee members said the bill's requirements went too far.

"It is imposing what I feel is too much regulation from the state down,'' said Rep. Lynn Luker, R-Boise.

Committee members said it would be an imposition to require homeowners to follow certain fire codes and that it is not necessary to set the entire state to one standard when some cities and counties impose their own license requirements.

Idaho's daycare laws have been ranked one of the worst in the country by the National Association of Child Care Resource and Referral Agencies since 2007. Many problems outlined in the 2009 report as Idaho weaknesses would be addressed in Corder's proposal.

Last Thursday the house committee voted to hold the bill after three hours of occasionally emotional testimony. Once a bill is held in committee, it is not usually considered again.

Corder told the AP that his bill "still has a heartbeat,'' but time is growing short.

The legislative session has begun to wind down and Corder said there may not be enough time this year to change the bill in the House and then review it in the Senate.

Committee Chairwoman Rep. Sharon Block, R-Twin Falls, said the bill can still be addressed but she did not offer a timeline.

She said some lawmakers are concerned that the bill would set one standard for all daycare providers. Block said rural providers face different issues from those in urban areas.

"It's possible to have one set of regulations if those regulations are worked out in a way that can address the small groups and big groups,'' Block said.

When previous daycare licensing changes died in the House, lawmakers argued that parents should be responsible for ensuring that their children are in a safe environment.

A licensing overhaul in 2007 was killed by conservative lawmakers who feared it would encourage more mothers to put their children into daycare so the women could work, rather than staying home and caring for the youngsters.

Jasper LiCalzi, College of Idaho political economics department chairman, said often laws change only as a result of public outcry.

"There has to be some push where the public really calls for it. It might have to wait until then,'' he said.

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    I can hardly believe that this is an issue! In my mind, a child care provider (no matter how many children) is doing childcare because they LOVE children. If that is the case, wouldn't they WANT to prove their own self imposed highest standards? It should not be considered an imposition to be willing to show the utmost responsibility and safety standards for the children in your care.

    Good for the cities and counties that impose their own licensing. But what would be wrong with standardization? Are we proud that "Idaho's daycare laws have been ranked one of the worst in the country by the National Association of Child Care Resource and Referral Agencies since 2007"? I'm not. What in the world is more important than our children? Sure, maybe the government gets into things that can seem annoying, but many of those laws/bills are passed, and we think they are senseless. This is NOT a senseless bill. It is for the safety of our future leaders, teachers, doctors, lawyers and yes, daycare providers.

    Yes, it is a parent's responsibility to ensure the safety of their children. So, yes, maybe we as parents should only use the daycares that willingly show their history and post a license on their walls. I'd want to know the folks responsible for my child/grandchild could pass criminal history background checks, safety and fire inspections, wouldn't have firearms openly available to young children, and were willing to restrict alcohol and tobacco use. In a job outside the home you can't smoke or drink anyway, this is no different. None of this should be a hardship for a responsible childcare provider.

    As Tim Corder says, maybe a tragedy would wake people up and open their eyes. But I know he doesn't want that, nor do I. Nor does anyone, so, let's step up to the plate and protect the future of .... Well, everyone's future! How would it feel to have a tragedy occur and then say "We didn't think it was important to plan ahead and require ......" Do you want to tell your child it didn't seem important?

    Jessie Miller/Parent of 3/Grandparent of 4

    Expecting the Bill to require accountability for daycare providers.

    -- Posted by jessiemiller on Wed, Apr 8, 2009, at 11:52 AM
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    I agree with you Jessie-you would think that anything to do with the safety of our precious loved ones would be a "no-brainer". BUT, I agree with Committee Chairwoman Rep. Sharon Block in that rural providers will have different issues than urban providers especially with the amount of children a provider is caring for, location of the daycare in reference to a medical facility or even fire station. Some of those issues will have to be looked at on a case by case basis and would be difficult to standardize across the board without some compromise.

    Also, I feel that some of the restrictions on alcohol, firearms and tobacco are stepping over a boundary that is very touchy to say the least, especially for a in-home daycare provider, (different story for a daycare facility, I think) Restrictions on storage and use of said ATF materials during daycare hours, I can see and would agree with. If a person has been convicted of a felony, then I feel I would be safe in saying said conviction would cover the alcohol and firearm issue in one fell swoop. Usually, a person who has been convicted of a felony cannot be in possession of a firearm or drink alcohol while on probation. But to restrict ATF from a law abiding citizen (no convictions) who is running a business is out of the question.

    I agree that the the criminal history background checks, safety and fire inspections, should be standardized at the very least, for the entire state.

    -- Posted by LongTimeListener on Sun, Apr 12, 2009, at 2:24 AM
  • Unfortunately, I have seen people who do daycare in their home for the money, and not for the children, so there should be some measure of safety put into place. I believe the background checks to be the most important! There are loving, caring parents out there that do not have a choice but to place their kids in daycare. Although a caring parent will look around to find the best they can - there are situations when they may not be able to afford what they'd wish for. And those people certainly wouldn't be able to afford their own background check. It would be nice to see something in place. And as for the ATF restrictions - for the law-abiding citizen, the only "restriction" should be to ensure those weapons are secured.

    Military bases oversee home daycare on their installations. Some people are annoyed by the intrusion (whenever the gov't steps in, etc), but it helps keep the honest people honest. The ones that couldn't uphold the standards just really didn't even try to do daycare, or were stopped when they weren't complying. Nothing out there is more important than the kids. You'd think a licensing law could be written to incorporate all scenarios. Broad sweeping legislation drives me crazy! Our chosen leaders don't appear to know the challenges of the everyday people in their districts.

    -- Posted by retiredAF on Sun, Apr 12, 2009, at 10:52 AM
  • hmmmmm...Pete Nielsen opposed to this. Shocked? Not really. Good job Mr. Corder. This needs to be passed FOR the children. In Idaho, child molesters can run a daycare and nobody would know. God forbid there should be safe guards for the kids. This really is a no brainer, IMO only of course. Mr. Corder, if this fails, you need to keep presenting it for the children. They need a voice!

    -- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Apr 12, 2009, at 10:59 AM
  • I can't believe this is actually seen as an issue.

    While some of the standards, I'll agree, are a little too far, those can be fixed.

    The ATF restrictions?

    You shouldn't be using alcohol or tobacco while taking care of a child. Maybe those who are running the daycare from home should have it locked up or in an area the children are restricted in, as well as the firearms?

    Jessie Miller has an excellent point in that. Do other jobs let you have a gun around or drink during work? No. and most jobs require smoking to be done outside any way.

    Keep the children of Idaho safe!

    -- Posted by lilmissmelmo on Mon, Apr 13, 2009, at 1:21 PM
  • I just have to say how disappointed I am in Mountain Home's daycare system. I have a 3 year old little girl and we've gone to interview some of these daycares. It's amazing what they are getting away with! Some of the places are dirty and the people working for them don't look in any better condition then the buildings look.

    I agree it's the parents responsibility to make sure our children are safe but no daycare provider will act the same way infront of you as they do infront of the children. Things are promised and never fulfilled. What a shame to let our children get behind before it's time for them to attend school.

    I'm disappointed in Idaho and am moving away from here for multiple reasons but the school system here is very high up on the list.

    -- Posted by Usedtoberice on Mon, Apr 13, 2009, at 5:33 PM
  • Jessie,

    The sad fact is that a lot of providers do this job for only the money. They don't always do it because of the kids. Some not all daycare centers pay minimum wage meaning they are going to get minimum wage workers, ones who may have a criminal past or they just need a job. The ones who truly are doing this job for the kids will do anything needed to prove themselves. I think this should be passed as quickly as possible.

    -- Posted by small town on Tue, Apr 14, 2009, at 2:29 PM
  • I am seeing that everyone is talking about it might take something bad for the Idaho laws to be changed. How about the incident in Mtn. Home back in 2004 when a little girl was left in a van after being taken to a field trip in the middle of July that her mother told the daycare not to take her too. The little girl was left in the van about 1 1/2 hours. Luckily the little girl was okay.

    -- Posted by kbrown on Tue, Apr 14, 2009, at 10:04 PM
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    small town, I know that there are some that only do it for the money. I suppose they see it as 'easy money' though children, if taken care of properly, are not 'easy' to protect. It is those people that need to have the regulations "imposed" upon them. The others, such as you, do it because it's the right thing to do, because of love for children. Not just anyone should have the responsibility on their shoulders to help raise a young child. There is so much to do, other than 'simply keeping them safe with locked doors and 3 squares a day'. A Daycare provider should bestow love on each child and make them feel valued and truly cared for. It is sometimes a sad truth that a daycare provider is the person that young people are with most of their day, and a very key element in what type of person they grow into. Personally I think not just the legal regulations are enough. I think their should be some type of training for day care providers....even young parents. I realize this opens up a whole nother line of thought.

    Kbrown, I hadn't heard about that little girl being left in a van. I suppose they thought that constituted her not being 'in the field trip'? In July? I hope those parents raised all kinds of hell.

    Jessie Miller

    -- Posted by jessiemiller on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 9:18 AM
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