Survey shows Mountain Home is a great place to retire

Thursday, May 22, 2008

Mountain Home is a great place to retire and enjoys good neighborhoods but isn't necessarily a great place to raise kids a city commissioned survey of city services shows.

Diane Kushlan, a consultant hired by the city council gave the official results of the community survey during the recent city council meeting.

In January 2008, the city of Mountain Home commissioned a city wide questionnaire to inquire on citizens' input with regard to key issues within the city.

Approximately 4,000 questionnaires were mailed in the city's utility bills, along with 300-400 distributed at City Hall, the library and the Parks and Recreation Department office.

The last survey conducted in 2004 had a 28 percent return rate. In 2008, a total of 1,185 surveys were returned at a rate of 27 percent.

The questionnaire asked for the citizens views on the following topics, satisfaction with community services, community and quality of all life factors, leisure activities, library services, police department services, priorities for the mayor and city council and goods and services needs.

A majority of returns, 97 percent were from Mountain Home residents. Over 62 percent of the residents who responded have lived in the city for over ten years. The number of employees at Mountain Home Air Force Base who responded to the survey totalled the same as in 2004 (21 percent), retired respondents totalled 28 percent (27 percent in 2004) and residents who indicated they lived in Mountain Home because of the airbase declined from 2004 from 48 percent to 46 percent.

The results indicated that Mountain Home consists of a majority of long-term residents and an increasing employment base.

As far as community services, the respondents felt very dissatisfied with the condition of the city streets, followed by an average vote toward stormwater systems, sidewalks and the building department.

In comparison to the 2004 surveys, the results of the community assessment were close if not equal. The most notable change was in the rating of Mountain Home as a place to a retire (5 percent in 2004 to 22 percent in 2008).

Also, as far as rating Mountain Home as an excellent place to raise a child, the result decreased from 28 percent in 2004 to 22 percent.

Overall, the community assessment results from the 2008 survey and the one in conducted in 2004 were highly similar except that in declaring their neighborhood as a good place to live the favorable response increased from 29 percent in 2004 to 55 percent in 2008.

The responders were asked to give their views on how Mountain Home ranks as far as quality of life. The highest ratings were for sense of community, tolerance and ease of travel, while shopping, business and job opportunities were rated the lowest.

In comparison to the 2004 survey, the ratings were also close, if not equal. The key change was in the fair rating for overall appearance (36 percent in 2004, 42 percent in 2008).

On what the respondents like to do during their leisure time, it was determined that the citizens of Mountain Home prefer to go outdoors over exercising, home activities and watching television.

As far as library services, Kushland said, "This received the fewest responses, but the highest level of satisfaction."

In total only 414 residents answered that portion of the survey. A total of 67 percent felt that the library meets their needs. The most favorable response came for electronic references and computers, earning an approval rate of 88 percent and 80 percent respectively.

The next category asked the respondents to indicate the priority of activity for police department services. They were asked to rate from high, medium and low.

At least 60 percent of the responders gave a high rating to the following services:general patrol, drunk driving enforcement, underage drinking and smoking enforcement, immediate response to calls, investigation and arrest of drug dealers, and burglary and vandalism investigations.

The responders gave a medium rating to activities, that included officers in school, strict enforcement of traffic laws and the reduction of accidents by strict enforcement of laws.

The one item that the respondents gave a low rating to was the citing of parking violators (42 percent).

Respondents were also asked to determine the priorities for the mayor and the city council.

The most important priority was funding for street maintenance (19 percent), followed by economic development (12 percent) and tied at 11 percent was downtown revitalization and storm water drainage system.

The respondents also were asked to give their opinions on Treasure Valley Transit. Even though 10 percent of those who answered use the bus, 57 percent of the respondents felt the city should subsidize the bus system.

The final category was determining the level of satisfaction in the goods and services currently available in the city and the needs for additional goods and services within the city.

According to the survey, 65 percent of the respondents do their primary shopping in Mountain Home. The services that the respondents like to see more of are restaurants (27 percent), followed by more retail (23 percent), food stores and home improvement facilities (13 percent).

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  • More restaurants? How about a higher quality of eating establisments. There are three Subways, (a forth under construction on base), two McDonalds, who knows how many pizza places, but no where to sit down to a nice, quiet meal with the family. Where have our priorities gone? There is no mention of activities for children to keep them off the street and out of trouble. No mention of neighborhood activities to help neighbors get to know each other. Are the days gone when neighbors helped each other? When we didn't rely on the city to clean up after storms? We used to be able to act as a community and take care of each other. Maybe this is a product of becoming a city instead of a town. I long for those days.

    -- Posted by jtrotter on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 8:25 AM
  • I can't imagine why they survey reported that people don't think this is a good place to raise children. Afterall, we do have that wonderfull Rec center to use. There isn't much of anything for kids to do here. At least there hasn't been for the 16 yrs I've been here.

    -- Posted by just1 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 9:52 AM
  • We do have the rec center, the pool and the skateboard park, but we seriously need more activities for the children. What about a nice indoor/outdoor skating rink, a water park, miniature golf? I love taking my grandson's out as a family to do things, but what is there to do? If we go to the movies, we can't talk and play while there. I want to do stuff "with" them. Laugh, create memories, etc. So, what do I do? I take my money and spend it in Boise, we go miniature golfing, go to boondocks, the zoo, etc. Money that could have been spent here in Mtn Home. As for restaurants, I would love for someone to come in and give AJ's a run for their money. And don't even get me started on the condition of the streets in this town. Most are rougher than the dirt back road in to Strike Dam. We need to get some trade and industry here. We need jobs.

    -- Posted by gamesgurl on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 10:18 AM
  • Will it still be a great place to retire when people decide not to raise their families here? I believe that the two go hand in hand. If schools and opportunities for employment don't improve very soon young families will move away and then all you will have is the base and people on "fixed" incomes. Then it won't be so nice to retire here anymore.

    -- Posted by IdahoBorn on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 10:22 AM
  • gamesgurl,

    All of those things sound nice, but can Mtn. Home support them? I don't know of any city our size that has those things.

    -- Posted by IdahoBorn on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 10:25 AM
  • Idahoborn,

    I don't know if there would be enough support or not. I know I wouldn't build them all at once, but a miniature golf place would be a nice start. We had one years ago called Kings Korner and anytime we took the family there was always a crowd there. My sister lives in a city with a 17,000 population and they have a wonderful waterpark, two skating rinks and 2 miniature golf sites. They do extremely well there. Isn't the population of Mtn Home with the base close to 17,000?

    -- Posted by gamesgurl on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 11:05 AM
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    Some nice, sit down restaurants would improve things greatly. However, it seems like anything that came close to that, just closes down. Remember the Rattlesnake Station (where Joe's steakhouse is now)? That was the closest thing to a decent restaurant that we had in town - closed. Then there was Scrubbys that closed and when they opened it up again (as steaks and suds) it closed soon afterwards. I don't know why they closed, but it could be from lack of support.

    I think that Mountain Home missed out on a GREAT opportunity when Cabelas came to Idaho. We had the old K-mart building there that they could have redone. Easy access to the free way, lots of parking, not the crowded conditions they have in Boise. Of course, its too late now.

    I surely agree with jtrotter, just how many Subways can this town support???? You've only got Walmart to shop at, unless you frequent the many Dollar stores in town.

    -- Posted by Willys on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 1:25 PM
  • Gosh, I didn't know it was a city's responsibility to provide fine dining establishments, water parks, and whatever. I always thought that is was individual risk takers with the entrepreneurial spirit that did thinks like that.

    -- Posted by Beau on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 2:34 PM
  • Do you suppose the City Officials will do anything with this information or will they just sweep it under the rug like they have in the past?

    I agree there needs to be more things for the kids to do around here. All we have is some REALLY nice parks, a pool, a nice movie theatre and a skating park. That isn't much for the kids to do. Unless you count that dirt patch that we are calling the Rec. District.

    It sure would be nice to have some sit down restaurants around here too. Where to you take out of town guests or your family for that special dinner - Pizza Hut??? And I HATE Walmart - I really miss Kmart. But what choices do we have?

    -- Posted by mtnhomemom1 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 4:43 PM
  • I was at MHAFB from 1988-1990. When did Scrubby's close? I enjoyed going there

    -- Posted by vark on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 4:43 PM
  • I certainly wouldn't complain if Mountain Home grew in size and we got choice restaurants and businesses that offer fun and entertainment. Heck, I love Meridian and if we had half what they do, I'd never leave here. That said, I go to Boise every weekend for shopping, dining and entertainment. I KNOW I'm not the only one. Wake up Mountain Home...we are taking our money else where to spend. And it is NOT the cities job to oversee miniature golf, waterparks, etc. It is whomever is venturous and builds it. But, would it get approved by the Committee of Fifty? Probably not.

    -- Posted by gamesgurl on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 5:58 PM
  • Meridian, Kuna, and Eagle. Lots of those types of places to choose from. Not too many like Mountain Home, so I really don't want to change it to another Boise suburb clone.

    And the idea of traveling to the closest big city for entertainment will ALWAYS happen, no matter where you live. And then, those in the big city have to travel to the country and little towns to go see what they don't have.

    I lived in Chicago. Moved to the suburbs to get away, but often went back to visit the museums, family, and to eat. And the suburb I moved to had even more stuff than Boise. I would rather travel a short half hour (and NO traffic besides!! what more can you ask for!!)than to live with all the traffic, crime, etc. The only thing I do wish we had is some sort of mass transit to Boise, like a train. I loved having that when I lived in Europe. But I don't think that will happen. But with the gas prices going up.....who knows.

    And as far as our population supporting some of those mini-golf, rinks, etc. I think one needs to take some other factors other than population into consideration. Yearly income, age, and also environment. A lot of people here (I think) tend to go camping, fishing, hiking - so I don't know how much of a population would support something like a Boondocks. Plus, there aren't any real surrounding suburbs to supplement. The closest place is really Boise, and they aren't going to come here for what they have there.

    We should capitolize on our ruralness, but that would probably start with making a nice 'quaint' downtown, which ours ain't. Maybe more wineries and we can become a Idaho Napa Valley?? With all our desert, how about a huge skateboard park, with huge half-pipes. Mountain bikes and motorcross. The airbase is our other strength, but I have no clue if/how we couldn't capitalize on that. Or we can just keep it like it is, a small, friendly, safe, clean - but could be cleaner - town. An endangered species that isn't on any list to keep it safe from developers.

    And this is a RUMOR so don't quote me on this, but I heard somebody bought Scrubby's and is fixing it into a country style restauraunt after a GOOD CLEANING. So wait & see I guess.

    -- Posted by froggy on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 8:01 PM
  • Froggy, I agree that no matter where you live if there is a bigger city close by people will go no matter what. But, I still think putting in more recreational type businesses for our youth would keep them off the streets and give them something to do and with rising gas prices, it would keep them in town. I was hoping that the old KMart building would have been turned into an indoor skating rink and arcade but that didn't happen. There isn't much for the kids to do after 6 pm in this town except go to the theater or roam the streets. Not everyone has the freedom to camp, fish and hike and doing that in the evenings after working all day isn't always feasible.

    If you are trying to keep Mountain Home as a retirement community, then I could see where building skating rinks and mini golf facilities wouldn't be the thing to do. I think Mountain Home is a wonderful place to live and raise a family, but I don't see young families or our youth staying here because there isn't anything to do. We have bars, fast food places and a theater. We don't need anymore of those.

    Yes, with growth comes crime. But staying small and boring isn't going to stop crime. I do agree that Mountain Home lacks cleanliness and pride. Just drive into the older residentual areas and look at the condition and eye sore at some of the houses and in the yards. It's not good. Drive down American Legion Blvd in the height of summer and look at the weeds growing up at the street corners and in the sidewalks. It's depressing.

    -- Posted by gamesgurl on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 10:01 PM
  • gamesgurl, i completely forgott that there really was a rec center last i checked it wasnt anywhere i ever would have wanted to hang out. i was refering to the dirt lot on 18th when i mentioned the wonderfull rec center. as for walmart i just wish it would implode.

    -- Posted by just1 on Thu, May 22, 2008, at 10:38 PM
  • In order to have these nice things, the powers that be need to allow them in. So far, they have said no. We had a chance at the outdoor mega-store but they (the powers that be) said no to that. If downtown was nice and the shops were "affordable" we would have the chance to become a bedroom community. We also need a nice place to eat (or more than 1 nice CLEAN place to dine). What we have now provides no selection. I would love to see downtown revitalized with nice mom and pop shops. We do have a pretty nice downtown---but it needs shops! Got shoes or dresses?

    -- Posted by OpinionMissy on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 12:07 AM
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    The City of Mountain Home actually has an office whose goal is "to strengthen and diversify the area economy.

    Business retention/expansion, private investment and job creation are the top priorities. The office provides citizens, as well as new /existing business prospects, with demographic data and financing information."

    When I studied Economics recently at college, we went over how government tries to entice new businesses into their area. That responsibility falls upon the Economic Development Department. I would be interested to see how they use this survey to meet the wishes of those that pay their salaries.

    While I decided to retire here due to my love for the small town feeling, I think there needs to be some more effort to entice new businesses into this area. More restaurants (not fast food) and a larger variety of shopping is needed to improve conditions in our town. An increase in this area will only increase the taxes raised, which can be used to improve the appearance of the entire town.

    As for more for the children to do, I say either build the long awaited Rec Center or use that money to provide more outdoor activities for them to do such as skate parks or even a city owned miniature golf course. Or here is an idea, poll the children to see what improvements they would like to see. In that manner, a facility is not built that sits underutilized and might actually generate more events for them to do.

    -- Posted by B Mullen on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 12:01 PM
  • I would like to dispel one myth that you have brought up - there is no committee of fifty in Mountain. No one is trying to keep businesses out!! If this committee of fifty were true you would be able to blame yourselves for having voted them into their respective positions. One of you mentioned that Mountain Home missed an opportunity with the old K-Mart building and not getting Cabela's. That was not our choice. Cabela's was made aware of the facility but chose to located else where for one reason only - Mountain Home and Elmore County did not meet the demographics needed to support one of their stores. Anyone with a business degree will understand that. Look at where Cabela's has located their stores, not one is located in a small rural area. They are all located in areas with significantly more population than Mountain Home and Elmore County. Also the way the old K-Mart building and the surrounding land was set up was crazy. Several great businesses walked away simply because they could have bought the building but would not have had access to the building because someone else owned the land around the building. Fortunately Mountain Home Auto Ranch/Dennis Dillon Auto group was able to work through that mess.

    As for restaurants, Mountain Home is continually looked at by the Sonics, Chilis and other popular restaurants of the world. Again the Mountain Home and Elmore County area does not meet the needed demographics which are needed to support new restaurants with national recognition. Also an interesting phenomenon takes place with restaurants. For the first 3 to 6 months of opening it appears that everyone is going to the new restaurant and that it is an immediate success. However, after the initial 3 to 6 month period the people begin drifting back to the old restaurants in the area and the new restaurant's business declines rather significantly. That is one reason why they look at the demographic of the area before building a new restaurant. They want to insure that the community and surrounding area can support another restaurant and their investment. Mountain Home simply can not support more restaurants as mentioned with two recent restaurant closures.

    Also why is it that people think it is the responsibility of the City to take care of the kids. It is the responsibility of the parents not the City nor is it the responsibility of the schools. If you have a problem with what the kids are doing, or are not doing, then you take care of them. I take care of my children and don't expect the City to provide a "Youth Center" for the enjoyment. I prefer my tax money go into taking care of the infrastructure of the community and trying to keep my taxes as low as possible.

    Best wishes,

    -- Posted by Albert Clement on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 12:17 PM
  • Gosh, I didn't know that it was a city's responsibility to provide fine dining establishments, water parks, and whatever.

    I always thought that is was individual risk takers with the entrepreneurial spirit that did thinks like that.

    -- Posted by Beau on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 11:52 PM
  • Test

    -- Posted by Beau on Sat, May 24, 2008, at 4:19 AM
  • It is not the responsibility of the city to provide these things, it is however, their job to attract the a more desireable type of business. They should also focus on keeping out the businesses that are less than desireable. Any business is not always good business, payday loans, head shops, etc. I feel they have done a pretty good job so far but I also believe the demographic of Elmore County will keep a lot of business away.

    -- Posted by jtrotter on Sat, May 24, 2008, at 9:41 AM
  • Actually, I believe that most Cabela's stores are in rural areas. Boise was at least the 3rd place that Cabela's was considering for their store. Mountain Home and Jerome were both considered first, if my memory serves me.

    The city isn't responsible for running businesses, but they are responsible for supporting the local economy and that requires jobs and Mountain Home doesn't have many. The city needs to get out and recruit employers, but with the school issues in this town that won't be easy.

    If you want shoes and dresses go to Maurice's, they have both.

    There is a new business opening up in the old building out by the base, but I can remember the name of it. They have been doing a lot of work on the building. Hopefully it will last.

    I don't know how fast you drive, but Boise is more than 30 minutes from Mountain Home.

    -- Posted by IdahoBorn on Sat, May 24, 2008, at 6:04 PM
  • "I don't know how fast you drive, but Boise is more than 30 minutes from Mountain Home.

    -- Posted by IdahoBorn on Sat, May 24, 2008, at 6:04 PM"

    I live by the golf course and from my place to the mall, is about 35 minutes. We usually go about 80-85mph, and we still get passed!

    -- Posted by acomment on Sun, May 25, 2008, at 7:33 PM
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    Mountain Home is a great place, I wish our home would get annexed...my daughter rented a house in the city of Mountain Home, two Elmore county police live near her, one right next door. My husband went over and worked on the dog kennel that was already there but needed some improvements. The next day she put the dogs out there for 10 minutes, within that 10 minutes, the next Elmore County cop came and threatened her for her dog, said he put up with the guy working working on kennel. What does this Elmore County cops yard look like,,, TRASH........his tree limbs are broke off all over her yard, his grass is high and you can't even imagine the back yard. Just imagine he has to put up with the guy fixing the kennel and I have to put up with a pig slaughter just a 1/2 mile from Mountain Home city limits...... oh that isn't all my other neighbor can't afford indoor plumbing. When I complained I was told she can't afford the to pay the fine so Russell would not fine her. I think my daughter is at least in a better neighborhood

    -- Posted by workingbee on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 10:55 PM
  • Ok in response to those thinking that there isn't a "comcittee of 50".. wake up. Mountain home is run by the gold old boys society. We may not officially have a voted in group of 50 that are running things, but they are certainly doing it behind the scenes.

    Example: Our local volunteer fire department. If you don't have a father or uncle on the force, you aint making it in without a favor. Multiple firefighters from base that are getting out of the service have applied and been rejected. No reasons giving, simply "we can't use you". And considering our departments history (take for example the ammonia leak) maybe it's about time we actually got some personel on the force with real expierience.

    And people are concerned that young familes will move away, making this a bad place to retire in. That has to be a young parent talking, nobody of retirement age is that stupid. Retirment communities are usually built around a lack of younger children/families. If they leave, the military will still be here, which is a huge portion of this town itself, so will all the fixed incomes, and this town will be fine.

    If everybody really wants this town to expand and improve. Get rid of the old-timers (I'm not saying committee members, I'm saying the entire town) who are against change, and maybe something will happen. You can't expect anyone to actually want to open a business here when the largest majority of money (the military members/retired) head for boise, not just for variety, but for people that are friendly.

    -- Posted by The Oracle on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 12:57 AM
  • My how times have changed. When I lived in Mountain Home in the 70's, the Red Steer (Dead Steer as we affectionately called it) was the only Burger joint in town, until something called the Hungry Onion opened up on American Legion. Wal-Mart? Wasn't even a dream back then! The best the town had to offer then was the Merc (remember that store?)

    Scrubbies had just opened about two years before I left. The 3G's was the closest quick stop to the base, and there were 2 Circle K's in town, one on Airbase Road and the other in town on American Legion.

    I did have 2 kids back then, and we didn't have a real problem with things to do. Although we did go to Boise quite a bit. Oh yes, and the only Mall back then was Karcher Mall between Nampa and Caldwell.

    I live in Sheridan Wyoming now, and you want to talk about a town with nothing to offer? At least Boise isn't 115 miles away from you. I have my choice of Billings (about 130 miles) or Gillette (about 100) and thats it.

    No, we didn't have a big problem finding things to do in the 70's. Seems to me you just need to use your imagination.

    -- Posted by rainproof on Sat, May 31, 2008, at 8:19 PM
  • Group of 50 ??

    I never heard of this group before. Can someone identify the members of this group?

    -- Posted by Beau on Sat, May 31, 2008, at 11:39 PM
  • I say Mtn Home could use a Taco Bell and one less mcDonalds :)yes.. A nice family resturant would be great... I moved to mtn Home in 1982.. Yes I remember The merc.. Safeway,Taco Time, The Winchester Saloon.. BoJacks Nightclub, The Red Steer that was adjacent to KFC.. I will always remember The River City Pool and arcade that Jim Jones Owned..and there has been many more changes... those were the days.. Mtn Home hasnt really grown much.. Just the names of people and the businesses have changed for the most part.

    -- Posted by Lamodar on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 8:14 AM
  • The Red Steer's Crinkle Steak meal was my favorite.

    -- Posted by Beau on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 6:46 PM
  • I remember going to the "Red Barn" on American Legion.

    Anyone else remember this place? The one side was a restaurant (for families), the other side a bar and pool tables. They had the best steak, real down home service, and an excellent price for the food. The restaurant was always busy.

    Yeah I remember the Merc and Kings.

    I remember when McDonalds opened up in town - we all thought we had all gone to heaven.

    One thing I would really like to have - is a choice between at least 2 family type sit down retaurants. My spouse and I were talking the other day - I bet that an IHOP would be great, and also do very well here.

    I know where I would go on eat out night. IHOP here we come!!!!

    Response by Joy Martinez:

    The Red Barn also had a lounge, where you could hear Curley Surles play. That was the life! That man could play anything you asked.

    My bad - I'm was thinking about John's Barn another favorite haunt from the past.

    -- Posted by midea on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 8:39 PM
    Response by Coleen Swenson:
    Not to be picky, but . . . the Red Barn was the old grocery store. John's Barn that burned to the ground is what you guys are thinking about. Was right next to the Red Barn. Good food and good times. Dad loved that place.
  • Coleen: You are so right. I must have had a major senior moment. Thanks for the correction. Yes - John's Barn was fabulous food and great times.

    -- Posted by midea on Sat, Jun 7, 2008, at 1:54 AM
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