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Of course they failed

Posted Wednesday, November 23, 2011, at 8:18 AM

They failed.

They didn't even come close.

The 12-man bipartisan "super commission" that was supposed to find a compromise and develop a plan to reduce the nation's $15 trillion debt by $1.2 trillion over the next ten years, fell victim to intransigent party ideologies and political gamesmanship.

Actually solving the nation's problems seemed low on the list of priorities. They'd need a dictionary to find out what the word "compromise" means. And even then, they probably wouldn't understand the concept. The word appears to have been relegated to the dustbin of political history.

Congress -- and the president -- are too focused on next year's election, where both sides expect to win big. That would allow the winner to, hopefully, steamroll over the opposition so a middle-ground compromise isn't needed. Any hope of the commission actually finding a solution was doomed from the start. And the members of this commission were, theoretically, some of the best and brightest their parties could put forward.

The debt and jobs are the campaign issues the parties have hung their hats on, so there is no reason for them to actually do anything between now and the election. They're leaving it up to the voters because they can't do the jobs they were elected to do. So count on the fact that nothing, on either issue, will get done until a new Congress is sworn in in January 2013. With any luck, very few of the existing members of Congress will be there then.

These guys simply do not understand the intense "throw all the bums out" frustration the American people have with the total and abject failure to do their jobs.

It's interesting to note that all the disastrous cuts this failure will automatically trigger won't go into effect until after next fall's election. Congress has made sure the voters won't feel any actual pain until after they've been re-elected. Sadly, most of them will be re-elected.

This whole mess was created when a standard procedure, raising the debt ceiling (something that was done 17 times during Reagan's administration alone), was turned into a dogfight by Tea Party Republicans who wanted to score points. By blocking the increase, they held the nation hostage, cost the government its top bond rating, threw the American and world economic markets into a tailspin, and forced the super commission compromise just to get everything working again and avoid economic armageddon. That deal said if the commission and Congress couldn't agree on debt reduction by this week, federal programs would be automatically slashed (in 2013). They deliberately chose programs that would truly hurt -- with the defense department taking almost half of the hits. That was the incentive to make it work.

Yet, strangely, last Friday the government needed to raise the debt ceiling again. Quietly, without any fanfare, they did so. Nobody wanted to go to the brink again, even as they knew the supercommission was on the brink of failure. And now, they're all talking about ways to rescind most of the cuts mandated by the original deal.

There is no question this issue must be addressed. It can only be solved by both finding ways to increase revenue, and the rich seem capable of paying far more than the struggling middle class, and by also making changes to entitlement programs that reduced standing costs. In addition, Congress needs to look at a massive rewrite of the tax code and a re-evaluation of the need for every government program.

That's a tall order, and it will take people willing to stand tall to make it work.

But where giants are needed, we appear to have dwarfs debating dogma.

Hopefully, we'll survive until 2013, and the (hopefully) new leaders of our nation will understand that compromise isn't a dirty word.


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Thanks for the apology Mike. I was starting to wonder if my name had changed today.

Now to my comment.

What we see here is the same old stuff. 6 D's and 6 R's. Seems fair, about the same as actual split in registered voters nationwide. Now the here's where it gets interesting. 6 say OK we are willing to make cuts in social programs, but you (the other side) need to make cuts in defense spending and close some serious loopholes. Well right from jump street the 6 R's say no way will we cut defense spending one penny, that is off the table, period!, and no we wont close any loopholes even if the overall tax rate is cut.

So what do we have today? NOTHING! NADA! ZILCH! unless you want to include the market turmoil today, which leaves us at even less.

NOBODY IS WORRIED ABOUT THE AUTOMATIC CUTS BECAUSE THEY WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

There will be some major housecleaning come 2012, but I think it will catch some off guard. The American public I think is FED-UP! I'm hoping there will be a whole new batch elected that understand that the party lines must be abolished and consensus must be achieved or the Republic is doomed.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 7:17 PM

THANKYOU ROY.....!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by lamont on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 7:57 PM

Your welcome brother.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 8:15 PM

Darn right Buckshot. Both sides have ownership on this one though. To tell you the truth, 1.2 trillion over 10 years isn't squat. Even 4 trillion isn't when your running in the red to the tune of over 1 trillion a year. Gee, we'll only add 6 trillion instead of 8 trillion to the debt. I defy anyone to come up with a guaranteed solution to eliminating over 1 trillion dollars a year in red ink without both spending cuts and revenue increases. I don't want another 6 trillion dollars worth debt run up over the next 10 years, do you?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 10:18 PM

SORRY ZOOK......THE HATE AND YES I SAID HATE FOR DEMOCRATES IS VERY APPARENT.I COULD TAKE ON YOUR STATMENTS BUT I AM NOT GOING TO.YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO THEM.I WOULD THINK AT SOMETIME THERE WOULD BE A STOP LOOK AT IT ALL BUT THE PARTY LINE NEVER STOPS EVER !!!!!!!!!!!! HAVE A GREAT DAY

-- Posted by lamont on Thu, Nov 24, 2011, at 2:43 PM

ZOOK if that man had said take the 2 billion and put it in the gulf coast ....I VENTURE YOU WOULD SAY HE IS ONLY DOING IT FOR POLETICS. HE IS BUYING VOTES.......IF A REPUBLICAN DID IT IT WOULD BE BECAUSE WE NEED TO.......gIVE ME A BREAK.

THE military is going to go back to the size it was before IRAQ,BACK WERE WE CAN AFFORD IT. WHAT DOES AL GORE HAVE TO DO WITH THAT????????.YOU need to check out were certain research and development started at and came to fruition,And who cut what,and what stays because of poletics rather than what we need and what works....example F-35 IT'S A TURKEY AND WE KEEP DUMPING MONEY IN IT.

IF CAINN HAD A BILLION BUCKS IN A PAC WOULD YOU BE QUESTIONING IT????? I GUESS HE PUT A GUN TO SOMEONES HEAD AND SAID GIMME YOUR MONEY.....BECAUSE HE'S A DEMOCRATE.......what I am saying is the REHTORIC AT EVERY TURN GETS OLD I DONT LIKE SOME OF YOUR PEOPLE BUT I DONT TAKE EVERY OPPERTUNITY TO FIND SOMETHING WRONG,AND SEARCH FOR WAYS TO DENERGRATE.

YOU know MR LIMBAUH was as out in left field as can be last week with his uppity comments .....not a word not one word from the right.......so it tells us that you condone and subscribe to those kind of things.Should I take the time to criticize BOHENNER or MC CONNOL at every turn. See I AM NOT GOING TO SPEW THE PARTY LINE AT YOU EVERY DAY,I AM NOT BRAINSWASHED INTO BELIEVING THAT IS SOMETHING I NEED TO DO BESIDES I DONT GO ALONG WITH EVERYTHING EITHER PARTY DOES.......I HAVE TO ASSUME YOU DO,YOU LEAVE NO ALTERNATIVE FROM WHAT YOU SAY.

Now dont get me wrong you can say what you want I am just telling you every post comes off as a right wing rant........But thats me.......YOU DONT KNOW IF SOMETHING IS WRONG UNLESS YOU OBJECTIVLY EVALUATE IT,MOST THINGS YOU SEEM TO REJECT OUT OF HAND BECAUSE OF THE SOURCE.....SORRY CANT DO THAT........LATTER

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Nov 25, 2011, at 9:52 AM

YOU MISSED THE POINT AND DID THE SAME THING......LETS GET STRAIGHT HERE I REALLY DONT CARE IF THAT IS WHAT YOU FEEL IS CALLED FOR .I wasnt here raping BUSH or anyone else.I AM NOT BUSY LOOKING FOR THINGS to be DISATISFIED ABOUT. I dont keep score on who I chastise but it was more than RANGEL I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THE RULE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS AT FAULT FOR EVERYTHING.HE MAYBE THE FALL GUY.

ONE LAST THING DONT SAY YOUR PEOPLE DONT ATTACK WOMEN THEY MOST CERTAINLY DO TO INCLUDE THE FIRST LADY AND HER CHILDREN,RUSH may be a BLOWHARD but he is still YOURS....AND HIS RACIST BIGOTED COMMENTS ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS IS SACTIONED by the fact that NOBODY IN YOUR CAMP SAYS NO TO HIM........GOT TO GO LATTER

YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ ROYS LATEST LINKS

-- Posted by lamont on Sat, Nov 26, 2011, at 11:19 AM

ZOOK.....I AM NOT GOING TO GO WHERE YOU ARE ,AND SIT HERE AND NAME THIS PERSON AND THAT PERSON,I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO YOU DID THAT AND SHE DID THIS.I dont see why it is needed but that is me.ON a dailey basis the right attacks the people the working people,and they are your neighbors etc they are the ones needing jobs,medical attention,loan modifications,educations,and a host of other things that are being denied and cutoff,I DONT SEE THEM VOLUNTARILY DENIENG THEMSELVES ANYTHING,AND THAT GOES FOR THE LEFT ALSO.If based on the numbers you want to point out a few and make big deal of it as far as occupy is concerned go right ahead,That seems to satisfy a need that the right has to say we are better than you and we know whats best.

Correct me if I am wrong,I get the impression you want a SHOOTING REVOLUTION AND PEOPLE DEAD IN THE STREETS is that what the right wants to satisfy there need to lead? I dont feel that the right wing militia will do anything except lynch and kill anyone who doesnt agree with them so give me a reason why I should want to see that in power?????????? AND before you say it if MR CAINN IS AND EXAMPLE AND REP WEST IS WE HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM neither has any crediabilty.

WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE RIGHT DOES NOT COME OFF AS INCLUSIVE BY ANY MEANS.I SEE THEM AS WILLING TO HAVE TWO CLASSES OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS AND THEY ARE PROTECTING AND ENSURING THAT THE HAVES HAVE MORE AND THE HAVE NOTS GET LESS OF EVERYTHING TO INCLUDE EDUCATIONS TO BECOME HAVES ......BAD SCENE. YOU JUST HAPPEN TO BE ON THE CUSP DONT FLINCH YOU COULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE CALLED HAVE NOTS..........SEE YA

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 11:42 AM

Don't like the consequences of failing to do your job? Just change the rules.

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...

-- Posted by Amuzeme on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 1:39 PM

AINT THAT THE TRUTH......THIS IS SO PLASTIC.....IF WE ARE NOT ENGAGED IN A WAR WHY SHOULD THE MILITARY BE MANNED AT A WARTIME LEVEL....MAKES NO SENSE....... I AM PRO MILITARY........THE RETURN TO PRE IRAQ LEVELS IS APPROPRIATE.....UNLESS WE A THINKING OF STARTIUNG ANOTHER WAR......HELLO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 2:56 PM

we were at a war time build up,our arragance did not let us believe the japanese were CAPABLE of doing what they did...and we were WARNED we IGNORED........the war college at the time was at west point,they had already played the scenario of war in the pacific and had noted that if war came it would probally START with and attack on the pacific fleet at PEARL.It is easier to alibi the mistake than it is to admit we made one that cost 2,500 lives.The history books are quite clear about the feelings of the japanese peoples intelligence.Now with that said are you implying that we should come to a war time footing????? BASED ON WHAT?????????? AND WHO'S THE TARGET ?????

I would think we should be tired of War hasnt enough of our kids gotten killed for nothing??? Is at the point of a gun the only way we know how to live ?????????.CLOSE THE OVERSEAS BASES AND BRING OUR PEOPLE HOME,ESPECIALLY FROM EUROPE THAT WOULD MORE THAN HELP US AT HOME AND OUR ECONOMY.

OUR hang up on manifest destiny is getting OLD we need to take care of ourselves before we try to tell others how to live we dont have that right.I dont like SPEAKER GINGRICH but he said something that touchd a nerve WE DONT WANT TO LET THE NUCLEUR GENIE OUT THAT BOTTLE IT IS NOT SOMETHING ANY OF US WANT TO LIVE WITH......the question was... would he attack IRAN with nukes..........being the only person with exsperience at that level it showed in his answer.

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 1:04 PM

POINT WE WERE PREPARED AT THE LEVELS WE WERE TO GO IN IRAQUE WE NEED TO RETURN TO THOSE LEVELS REARM WITH THE LATEST AND BE AS HIGHLY TRAINED AS POSSIBLE AND WE WILL BE FINE.I WOULD RATHER BE THE BEST EQUIPED AND TRAINED THAN HAVE A LOT OF WHATEVER THAT IS NOT EFFECTIVE,BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT.

A little history ....the japanese had no intention of attacking mainland America.......no matter what. They did not have the resources and they knew it. THERE FORAY INTO ALASKA WAS BECAUSE OF SOME KNUCKELHEAD GENERAL WHO WAS A GLORY SEEKER.That was properganda at it;s best.WE USED IT WELL.

I would have to ask...what did you expect???? They played both ends against the middle and got caught,There demostrations are about the air strike that killed there soldiers.I will have to see how that shakes out,We do know there border folks are complicite to say the least.WE SHOULD HAVE CUT THEM OFF YEARS AGO.cHECK THE MAGAZINE I GAVE YOU I think we just sold them a bunch of updated f-16's .we never learn,money,money ,money.

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 5:51 PM

To everyone, I've said it once and here it is again. There will never be another major boots on the ground war again. God help the survivors of the next REAL war.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 6:21 PM


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