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Posted Thursday, February 17, 2011, at 8:11 AM

Last Friday, Sen. Tim Corder met with local teachers to discuss Supt. of Education Tom Luna's plans for the future of education in Idaho.

Needless to say, the teachers left upset, concerned, frustrated and with little hope, because it looks like the plan will probably pass the legislature with only some minor tinkering.

That would be an absolute disaster to public education and the students in Idaho. The only true option left in the limited time available to the legislature is to pass last year's woefully underfunded education bill, which is still much, much better than Luna's proposal this year.

Luna often talks in public about how teachers are the state's most valuable resource. But in private, he badmouths them. That two-faced hypocrisy, and his overall lack of support for public schools in Idaho, is clearly shown in his proposals.

Flying in the face of every study ever done on student performance, Luna wants to raise class sizes (cutting 779 teachers statewide). It's well documented that smaller class sizes, where teachers can spend more time working with students one on one, significantly improves classroom performance.

We've already got classes in the high school now with more than 30 students in them (some as many as 36), and adding 4-6 more students per class won't help (if there is actually room to fit them all in one class).

Like other schools across Idaho last year, the Mountain Home School District had to make cuts in some of its programs. It kept as much as possible, but this latest budget is even worse than the last one Luna sent through the legislature.

Again, there is no money for textbooks and the schools will be so strapped for funds and teachers that some of the key elective programs may have to be cut.

All of this will happen so students can study on-line rather than being taught by a trained instructor. Studies have repeatedly shown that on-line classes do little more than teach to a tests -- that students usually do not retain the knowledge they're taught by computers much beyond the class itself. All across the state, we're seeing stories of students who've taken on-line classes and prefer a teacher, instead.

Furthermore, many colleges and universities won't accept on-line class credits, which, at a time when the state is actively encouraging students to extend their education beyond high school, would severely hamper their ability to do so.

Next week, there will be a town hall meeting at 6:30 p.m. on Wednesday (Feb. 23) in the high school gym for the public to hear more details about Luna's plan and be able to ask their own questions. We strongly urge you to attend. Your questions and comments will be vital to our elected leaders deciding what they want to do with the plan.

It's time to get involved in your child's education -- and the future of their education.


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Please note that Boise State University, University of Idaho, and Idaho State University all accept online credits, with some students earning more than half of their HS credits online. I realize that not all universities do, but many do.

-- Posted by CuriousParents on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 8:29 AM

No one seems to come up with any other plans. Someone has to try to do something, rather than nothing. His idea may be right, may be wrong, but we won't know until it is tried. We already know that under todays conditions, the way education does things now is wrong, it doesn't work. We have to try do to do things differently.

Tell me of one other viable plan that has been written and introduced to education leaders and the governor. Do any of our elected representives know of any other plan that has been submitted for review? If so, why aren't they speaking up?

There are other students in small towns and some in larger cities who seem to do fine online, so why not all kids? There are kids taking online college courses also, and are doing very well. Online courses are becoming a norm. This is one way to teach kids to learn how to take online courses. Online courses open up a lot of options for both kids and adults. We talk about teaching our kids to learn how to function in a technical world, maybe this is one good way to do it.

Every industry has been hit with 'technical' ways to do things. Less factory workers are needed, less secretaries, less sales people, less square footage in stores because of many online sales. The teaching profession has to change with the times. Technology is going to change the need for the number of teachers we currently have. I think it is just a sign of the times.

-- Posted by midea on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 8:57 AM

This editorial is ridiculous. So you have an opinion. Everyone does. I'll leave it at that.

"All of this will happen so students can study on-line rather than being taught by a trained instructor."

Who would facilitate the online classes Kelly? Did you decide for the school district that qualified teachers would not deliver these classes?

"Studies have repeatedly shown that on-line classes do little more than teach to a tests -- that students usually do not retain the knowledge they're taught by computers much beyond the class itself."

"...teach to a tests"!?! Did you take your English classes online or from a traditional classroom setting?

"...students usually do not retain the knowledge they're taught by computers much beyond the class itself." You realize that the computers aren't actually teaching the classes right? While the delivery method is different (let's call it modern), teachers provide the instruction.

"Furthermore, many colleges and universities won't accept on-line class credits, which, at a time when the state is actively encouraging students to extend their education beyond high school, would severely hamper their ability to do so."

For any class to be accredited, it must meet specific criteria. This is no different for an online class versus a class taught in traditional classrooms.

-- Posted by VicVega on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 10:10 AM

Another hard hitting piece by the crack investigating reporters at the Mountain Home news. What a joke.

-- Posted by AtomicDog on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 10:55 AM

Kelly,

Have you ever taken an online class? I don't know where you are getting your information, but I have taken several online classes at the college level. Your representation of these classes is wrong. If a student is motivated to learn, they will. Students who are lazy and unwilling to work will not learn anything.

Do you socialize with Mr. Luna or are you passing on more secondhand information? You must have personal knowledge of what he says in private or your journalistic pride would not allow you to write such gossip.

This type of article is designed to incite people who believe that you only report facts. This is not responsible journalism.

-- Posted by jtrotter on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 10:58 AM

When my Grandson was in his senior year, he changed High Schools and got behind. He ended up taking online classes to get his diploma and he is now taking an online college coarse. He was No A Student either

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 11:10 AM

Yes, they have extemely strict standards as far as behavior, on-time, dress code, and zero tolerance for inappropriate behavior toward teachers and other students. The parents of these kids "must" be involved and agree to the standards that the school sets. I commend private/charter schools as they set ground rules, have high expectations and they stick to these.

-- Posted by midea on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 12:31 PM

Unions have a place i would say some abuse on that i agree.Schoolos in my opinion function when

1- teacher expectations are high

2- when parents are involved

3- class size is 20 or below

4- kids are held accountable

5- home work is and intricate part of the process

My son and daughter attended public schools how ever i will admit those schools were like charters are today.The result was a fifferent kind of student.The high school i attended was also that way,you took and entrance exam ERASMUS HALL BKLYN N.Y. CHARTER SCHOOLS FUNCTION BETTER BECAUSE OF INVOLVEMENT AT ALL LEVELS.I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT OUR SCHOOLS HAVE GOTTEN TO BE A PLACE TO WHAREHOUSE KIDS FOR THE DAY.

WE HAD ADJUNCT INSTUCTORS ON SUBJECTS. FIELD TRIPS TO MUSEUMS ETC The teachers stimulated your mind and then taught you how to learn.I say we need to return to a systen were everyone is held accountable,then and only then in my opinion will the schools function.My brother taught 30+ YRS in N.Y. STOPED BECAUSE HE SAID THEY WOULD NOT LET HIM TEACH....PARENTS,THE SYSTEM,AND THE UNION.

-- Posted by lamont on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 12:43 PM

Is there a single person reading this who can authoritatively cite a single example of an Idaho Education Association member causing harm or mischief towards Idaho's public education system predicated by union advice?

What is it that makes some folks think that being a teacher's union member also makes that person part of Idaho's budget problems?

If you can understand why a medical doctor belongs to a professional association and pays for malpractice insurance, then maybe you could understand why teachers pay to belong to a professional association that provides similar protection.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 6:52 PM

I dont think that is what is being said.I think there is a political motive right now to beat up on the teachers union.Also this is a right to work state I think they want ALL UNIONS GONE.

I said unions have a place,and that place should be respected,the state should negotiate in good faith not in a my way or the hiway,neither should the union.LETS MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.

When certain things happens you have to wonder who is NEXT.

-- Posted by lamont on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 7:07 PM

The public sector unions actually aren't the problem. The problem is the politicians that give more than we can sustain. The politicians that were too lazy to figure this out prior to there having to be this big blowup. This is hard heavy lifting and the more liberal politicians don't have the stomach for telling anyone that they cant continue to give and give and give and give. The public teat is dry and there aint no more for public employees to suck out of the public. There is no doubt that the teachers are going to get hit hard. It's going to happen this year but if by a miracle it didn't then it would happen next. The overspending cannot continue. Things have constricted for the private sector and now its time for the government to constrict to that point. No more taxes. Cut it to the bone.

-- Posted by AtomicDog on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 10:08 PM

MY youngest grandaughter was failing in school we took her out and we home school she has responded like you wouldnt believe.THE side affect being that my daughter is going back to school and everyone is involved,We dont know wether it was class size or just that she neede more one on one. I DO KNOW ZOOK SHE IS A DIFFERENT

CHILD and for us thats what counts.

The daughter did some rsearch and said she felt that was the way to go.I CAN BELIEVE THAT and i also know that kids need the basics so that they can addvance kinda like building a house .strong foundation

-- Posted by lamont on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 10:30 PM

I feel for alot of the teachers. I know of a quite a few that work their butt off on a daily basis. Most of the teachers are not the problem, but they will take the brunt of this reckoning. It is the system that needs changing and it sucks that we will lose good people along the way, but the sytem has to change.

-- Posted by Conservative on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 6:45 AM

This paper is not about truth...have we not learned that yet? It is about agendas and personal relationships. This is not a paper that you read to keep you informed as they will only tell you half the story 9 times out of 10. This town needs a real paper that is willing to do real reporting. Worry less about your friends and their feelings and do what is best for the people of this community.

The MHSD is not willing to cut a thing. Just wait for the next levy as I am sure they are already gearing up for it. Hey, as long as we still have SPORTS!!!

Not a darn thing in this paper about the people who are excavating the old dump and pulling all of the metal out of it----ILLEGALLY! Nothing like asbestos and God knows what blowing through town from the old dump. How about that for news.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 6:47 AM

I think OM has hit the head on the nail on the very question that I have been asking myself since this all started. Will the MHSD ask for yet another levy to offset this new proposal?

-- Posted by CuriousParents on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 8:43 AM

Yeah, I thought I said that wrong, haha, but the question remains the same.

-- Posted by CuriousParents on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 9:25 AM

I'm down with OM on this. There will never be enough money for our schools, ever. There will always be a greater need. We've had two hit pieces on this proposal of Lunas. Is number three being written as this is being written?

-- Posted by arsenal on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 9:30 AM

Levy eh?

I attended the School board meeting last year when the budget was proposed. Funny, everyone that spoke said "levy us", they were more than willing to yet again raise our taxes.

The main concern of those people attending, Sports...............

Sports at this point in time should be Pay to Play.

Kelly Everitt, what a dishonest person (reporter would be stretching it) you are, there are more Colleges and Universities accepting Online classes, oh and OFFERING them, than not.

-- Posted by mrjimbo on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 10:14 AM

As for the levy - this was brought up the last round. Not if the school district was going to ask for a new levy, but when.

Before we head down that road again, do some research for yourself. One place you can go to is www.ouridaho.com and select the following search criteria: Search: Employee Salary Data and Filter: Mountain Home School District, and then click the Search button. Then click the Pay Rate heading. This will give you a little insight as to where some of the money is going. You can click the Department heading to sort the table by where they work, in ascending or descending order.

We know the student population has been on a steady decline for years. Perhaps some cuts have been made. But at least from the outside, there seems like some personnel cuts could be made to better reflect the support requirements of the declining student body.

The school district does not want to make cuts. They do not want to change with the times. They will however drag "poor innocent children, that no one cares about" in front of the community and ask, "How can you let this happen?"

Question everything -- don't take it at face value, especially from an editorial like this.

Personally I'd question the need for an Assistant Superintendent when we have six Principals (three of them have Assistant Principals) in the district. Maybe the Assistant Superintendent role could be filled by Principals -- it could be a career broadening assignment as well as a cost savings measure. Everybody has to do more with less. The school district shouldn't be any different. Two IT over ? Why not one at that rate and an assistant at $20-25 per hour? There are plenty of areas the school district could address in-house before they put their hand out again.

The school district should take a close look at the way they operate, justify everything (they do work for the taxpayers), make hard decisions, and reassess before even considering floating another levy proposal. Run the organization like a family or business would in a changing environment, and adapt to those changes.

If the school district makes significant cuts and then comes out and says "this is what we've done to cut costs", and "here's what we're still short" they will be in a better position to ask for and possibly receive another taxpayer bailout. They should prepare themselves as though they were presenting a business proposal to a bank and asking for a loan. No due diligence -- no money.

-- Posted by VicVega on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 10:17 AM

You hit it right on the screws Vic

-- Posted by CountryDweller on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 12:59 PM

Wow what venom! Blaming Kelly Everitt, teachers, the union, the local school board, etc. may make you feel better -- but placing blame solves NOTHING!

Let's refocus on the budget problems & this proposed "reform plan". I have prepared & managed million dollar budgets and this proposal is a disaster on many levels. Get our representatives to slow down this process so all the flaws can be worked out. Why are they pushing this thru SO fast? I have studied a lot of available details & believe this plan would be catastrophic on several levels -- with very little opportunity to undue or mitigate the damages. What are they afraid of that they insist on pushing this through without the full impact being investigated?

I'm not a teacher & have no connection to the Union. My comments are not about who is "entitled" or who is right.

Take a very close at this plan -- because "The Emperor Has NO Clothes"!

-- Posted by Larry S. on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 1:41 PM

Nothing is this plan will be catastrophic except the catastrophic blow that will be dealt to "do nothing" politics. All the whiners and complainers have provided no alternative. You too Mr Million dollar budget hot shot. Nice specifics. You cannot Chicken Little the argument and expect people to bow down to your wisdom. Catastrophic? Do you even know what the word means. We the people are tired of nothing happening and are behind Luna's plan.

-- Posted by AtomicDog on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 2:00 PM

Larry -- I'm not blaming Kelly. His editorial is lame for the reasons I pointed out previously. But that caliber of writing is his "style" for lack of a better term.

Union's (like any other organization) are only as good as their leadership.

Teaching has historically been an underappreciated profession. But in my opinion, the mass sick-outs and antics like that going on in other parts of the country paint a different picture than the education professional dedicated to bettering the lives of children.

Luna's plan has good and bad. But one thing for sure is it's divergent from the way the education system is currently run. That's a big problem for a lot of administrators and teachers. Everyone, Luna included, should take an honest look of how things are now, where they should be, and come to a general consensus of the best way to get there. No, that's not standard in politics, and don't confuse this plan with any other agenda pointed toward education -- it's all politics. But to me it seems like a logical approach.

If any "blame" is to be assigned for the current state of the education system in SD 193, (in my opinion) it's the school district and the people empowering them. Bottom line is the education system needs reform.

-- Posted by VicVega on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 2:15 PM

FOCUS people! This is very important! We don't have time to waste -- blaming the school board, unions, Kelly's writing style, Liberals & ObamaCare. I'm not a "hotshot" & I'm not trying to protect teachers & their union.

Evaluating the known details of the Luna Plan from a purely business perspective considering a bit of cost-benefit analysis and long term impacts -- this plan is DEEPLY flawed.

Usually when complicated legislation is rushed through, there is something to hide -- as in this case. Why are you against the light of day being shown on this proposal so that long term damages can be mitigated?

Rather than sharing details here with such open minded folks as yourselves, I will submit them to our elected representatives.

You don't have to believe me. Investigate for yourselves -- with an open mind. None of us should be afraid of more information before such an important decision is finalized!

-- Posted by Larry S. on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 3:33 PM

"Rather than sharing details here with such open minded folks as yourselves, I will submit them to our elected representatives."

Good idea getting the info to the pols Larry. Do you have any details though? With the indepth analysis you've done, you probably already have a point-by-point breakdown with alternative suggestions. Why not share?

-- Posted by VicVega on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 6:32 PM

CJW,

I teach...and I'm darned good at it. I also pay union dues, believe in collective bargaining, and protect myself from arbitrary feelings and accusations by signing a contract ( a legally binding agreement with my boss) every year. There is absolutely nothing in my contract that prohibits my boss from firing me for cause; be it unethical behavior or incompetence. Tenure is for college professors, not K-12 public school teachers. My politics are just a little to the right of Attila the Hun and Ronald Reagan (both Republican icons and former union presidents).

First and foremost, I am a capitalist...if you don't want to pay me what I'm worth, I'll go work for someone who will. Additionally, I'll work for the highest bidder...nothing personal, just business.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 7:38 PM

Unions have out lived their functionality and usefulness to society. They were great to do away with sweat shops but today just serve to extort more and more money out of taxpayers. Teachers care way more about their livelihood than they do the children. Pay should be based on performance and the lower third of teachers should not get to collectively bargain on the shirttails of the upper two thirds. Man should be able to rule himself but also to stand on his own merits.

-- Posted by AtomicDog on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 8:01 PM

Tenure, permanence of position, often granted an employee after a specified numbers of years, serves both the boss and the worker. It's a particularly important matter in jobs where the boss needs highly skilled workers, and the workers must invest considerable time and expense towards becoming/staying proficient in said skill.

MtnHomer, you are right in correcting me about my college/K-12 comment. Albeit I don't believe the word "tenure" is even mentioned in the local school district master contract, the hiring preference it refers to is defined therein. After three years of continued, troublefree performance, a local teacher is offered the job again each year as long as the position needs to be filled. This provides security for both the worker and the boss who depends on the worker to show up next year. You can't just drive down to Home Depot and pick up a Chemistry teacher when you need one.

By any definition, "tenure" does not protect an incompetent or ineffective teacher here. It's sister, "due process" doesn't either. Incompetence, like criminal behavior, can be seen and proven. All due process does is ensure that claims against a worker are proven factual, and not just the arbitrary expression by a member of the wrong church, wrong lodge, wrong party, wrong family, etc...you know, kind of like being guilty until proven innocent.

Your employer may not respect these things, but, why would you have issues with others for reaching such a bargain?

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Sat, Feb 19, 2011, at 3:07 PM

CJW,

I don't quite get the sharpness of your tongue, maybe it's just me, but I'll try a respectable response to your last bit of keyboarding.

I am not a PollyAnna. I know the world is filled with parasites, malcontents, criminals and conmen looking for ways to get money for nothing. However, I can't make your connection between drug dealing, sexual predators masquerading as teachers, and their union defenders, with our local community. My sense is that such people would find no support here among my peers...union members or otherwise. Now, sometimes my crystal ball clouds up and I lose touch with the future, but I'll concede that anything is possible...maybe DEQ will find Martian mouse turds in our water supply...one can never know.

If my sole purpose in education was to make money, I'd have become an administrator. Had I insisted on teaching, then Saudi Arabia or Japan offers a much better pay scale than any U.S. district. So why Mtn Home? Simply put, I moved here because I liked the community. The job came later...if the job disappears, or the pay decreases to an undignified level, I'll find another to make a few bucks. If things go too far south I'll sell out and find another place to practice being a good citizen.

You're right... it is my choice, and don't worry about my tail being slapped by the screen door; it's never come close.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Sat, Feb 19, 2011, at 3:37 PM

Ooooooh. Here is a good one. How about the MHSD teacher who had inappropriate contact with a female student and was allowed to keep his job until his retirement (he is now retired). The MHSD teacher's union forught for him to be allowed to stay in the classroom and the MHSD supported this as well. All public record folks.

How about that for news not reported in the paper?

Idaho Code on education for Idaho. Read it and educate yourselves before you assume what is "required" by us as taxpayers to pay for.

http://law.justia.com/idaho/codes/2010/t...

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 8:45 AM

WAS THERE A CLAUSE IN A CONTRACT THAT STATED THAT NON CRIMINAL DISIPLINE COULD NOT BE MADE PUBLIC ???????????? THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION.

AND WE DONT KNOW IF THAT ACCUSATION WAS TRUE OR WETHER COULD COULD BE PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW.I AM ALL FOR DOING WHATS RIGHT ,I AM NOT FOR RUINING PEOPLES LIVES BASED ON ACCUSATION.

I understand right to work however those laws should be revised.Right to work was intended to keep people from having to join a union to get a job(BASIC) it has become something else.Yes the union is part of the problem but not the whole problem.

I SUPPORTED THE SCHOOL LEVY LAST YEAR.If I HAD KNOWN WHAT THERE INTENTION WAS FOR THAT MONEY I Would HAVE WORKED JUST AS HARD AGAINST IT.I FEEL THE DISTRICT PUT ONE OVER ON US,IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN.

Teaching is a hard job, and we expect a level of professional competence way beyond what they get compensated for,there job is not accomplished 9-5 we know its a hard job because we dont want to do it.When is the last time you asked a teacher what you could do for them??????????

Now i am sure if we searched we could find more stories of misconduct,how about a female teacher inappropriatly touching etc ,statistics say there is one so lets look for that also.I would rather look for ways to make our schools better and maybe more involvment on our part would help......see you at the next concert that starts at 6 and ends at 8 on the teachers dime to make us happy

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 10:24 AM

Lamont,

This school system has "put one over on us" for years. People still get duped into voting for the levies and bonds. There is one thing for sure, I feel that most people vote on emotion and not information.

Now that being said, I also feel that the overall problems in this school system are not the teachers, but in the administration that makes the money pit decisions.

Granted, there are some teachers here who should be put out the door and told to never come back. But, overall I believe most teachers enjoy their jobs and the students.

Luna's plan is better than no plan. Something has to change. What we currently have does not work. There doesn't seem to have been any other plan out there that was drafted to present. So, use what has been presented to us and make change.

-- Posted by midea on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 11:40 AM

Lamont: As midea said this school district has duped the public for so long they don't even see the tree's for the forest. Examples: First bond attempt to upgarde the Junior High to the High School=Failed. Second attempt went from 34 million to 37 million and no real reason given for the increase=Failed. But in the last bond attempt money to replace the gym roof at the high school was in the bond but they didn't tell anyone they had let the contract to do the work the prior Feb. Strange to say the least to let a contract if you don't have the money. Also prior to that bond election at the meeting if the bond passed which they just knew it would, they were looking at building another Elem School cause the amount of students was on the rise, but come to find out it was declineing. They have known about the roof on the High School for a long time time but instead of getting books and fixing the roof prioity went to installing a whole new phone system in the schools, I can remember the cost of that but it was well over a hundred thousand dollars like the school really needs a phone in ever room, sure would want anyone to miss a call now would we. Election on the last levy for 5.6 million was to just get by, hummmmmm no teachers lose their jobs as stated. The system get to get a budget and live by it and educate not see how much money they can spend on the nice to have stuff. This Luna bill with all the computers involved is a real bit waste of money in my opinion. Every kid in high school doesn't need a laptop to do as they please with it. When the District had alot of money coming in never saved much for a raining day just spend, spend, for whatever they wanted. Fix the roof when you get the money from the taxpayers. In times of money shortfalls the belts need to be tightned same as with the general public. Before anyone votes Yes on a levy or bond they need to get all the facts as to what the District is really going to do with the money. Budget, Budget people work within the means, I can see more cuts coming and what are they going to do say not enough money so close the schools. Yea right just like moving the 9th grade into the High School when the bond failed and just look at it OK people no money from you to upgrade the Junior High to High School go ahead and put the 9th grade in the High School and cause one school to be over crowed, nice move guess that was telling us going to be there way and thats the bottom line. Number of students keeps going down but the District still wants more money, and what for sure would like to see some answers that are not full of holes or half truth. Education is important and just important the people running the District have a hard look taken at them and the choices they are making. I don't blame the teachers for what is going on I put the blame on the top people and the school board to correct a number of their problems. I guess enough said by me, I want some real answers not lip service.

-- Posted by Eagle_eye on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 12:21 PM

I HAVE TO ADMIT i should have known better.When the building that is the jr high was proposed i was at a lot of those meetings and the childrens best welfare was not there issue.PHILL GRIDLEY AND I were called to a meeting that was planned but not notified about at 7 am .We had to fight tooth and nail for the right thing all they wanted to do was spend money on lies,base population ,Projected gains,no home work was done and these people ran the school board.They did not care about our taxes they wanted to add enough to choke a horse with no consideration for seniors,disabled ,low income it was just amazing it was like everyone had a 50+THOUSAND dallor a year job and if you didnt to bad pay anyhow. sorry im on a rant.

I dont have school age kids but i do care about my grans and yours.My understanding of the lottery money is it should have paid for the roof.

YES LUNA MADE A PROPOSAL THAT HAS SOME GOOD AND SOME NOT SO GOOD.THE legislature got input ,the point being are they going to listen,take the plan go over it independently before the end of session.and talk about it again thats whats needed.DONT make the UNIONS,TEACHERS,PUPILS SCAPEGOATS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE,AND PLANNING ERRORS.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST NOTHINGS PERFECT BUT I CANT AFFORD TO PAY FOR THERE MISMANGMENT,TIME FOR SOME REAL PEOPLE TO SIT ON THESE BOARDS AND TO DO THIS WE NEED TO STOP PEEKING IN PEOPLES CLOSETS,I DONT KNOW ANY PERFECT PEOPLE AND DONT WANT TO ,.......THERE BORING

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM

Lamont you weren't the only one the District got to, to get the Levy passed. They dragged the school kids into to help them and the only thing on the public mind was the kids needed an Eduacation and the District needed lots more money due to the States cut back on the budget. Been alot of people that Won't vote for another one with the tactics they use. Hide and watch what they pull next, the writing is on the wall.

People need to have straight answers to get the Public to cough up more money. What is done is done and so to speak water under the bridge and the stream is going to dry up and that will leave a real mess to try and fix. I didn't vote YES for the bond or levy and won't the way things are being run now, No changes, No more money. More people need to start looking at the pay that is being handed out. Its been posted before but here it is again. www.ouridaho.com which shows pay is top heavy on alot of them.

-- Posted by Eagle_eye on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 3:05 PM

A couple thoughts:

How many times have the people on here complaining, been to a school board meeting, PTA meeting, or ran for a spot on the school board?

A legislator that wants to defeat Luna's plan but hasn't put forth his own has no standing with me.

Here is an alternate plan to Lunas plan; Decrease funding for Education by whatever percentage it takes to make up the shortfall. Theres one alternative.

All we have is kick the can politicians that don't want to make any suggestions for fear of not being reelected. They have led us deep into the desert but don want to help us find some shade.

What if the economy doesn't get better or get better anytime soon? This will only be the beginning of the cuts. What am I thinking? All the pundits and politicians say its getting better so it must be true.

A 4% pay cut? That sucks but I know people that have taken a 100% pay cut, lost their house, and had to move. 800 teachers state wide is nothing compared to the number of construction workers or real estate agents that have lost their jobs.

-- Posted by CountryDweller on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 3:49 PM

Thanks OM,

You just made my point.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 6:06 PM

I DONT HAVE SCHOOL AGE KIDS BUT I GO.....I was not real kind to pete nielson at the gymn. he needed to rethink his prioritys .......been there to long, time for him to go.

Well i have made this suggestion and i know it fell on deaf ears

The budget should .....you cant spend anymore in 2013 than you take in in 2011.....that way you know what you got......and that should be for the state......now thats not hard is it????????? but see that is to simple,and it comes from a common person ,we cant have that..............

now i went back and ckd some things ,,,,,,,,,,,and I know why DUMB DOES WHAT SHE DOES....THE ATTACKS ON HER WERE PRETTY VICIOUS ESPECIALLY FROM SOME PEOPLE.and they did get personall so there is some sharing of fault there.......I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WILL NEVER CHANGE THERE MINDS ON SOME ISSUES,TRUTHFULLY I EXPECT THAT BUT LIKE HER SOME ATTACKS THAT ARE MADE ESPECIALLY ON THE PRESIDENT AND HIS WIFE DO GET TO BE A BIT MUCH.LIKE SHE WORE A RED DRESS BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO SHOW CHINA SHE WAS A COMMUNIST TOO.........Tha was laughable but it shows a visciuosness that is over the top.and I TOO QUESTION WHY ??????????? THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE STATED THINGS LIKE THAT ARE WRONG......AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO APPLAUD THAT KIND OFF ATTACK.....WE ARE ENTITLED TO THINK WHAT WE WANT ANYHOW....... DUMB IF YOU ARE OUT THER GO TO THIS WEB SITE AND READ THE BIO THEN SEND ME AND E MAIL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BIO IS THE ADDRESS theb3side@hotmail.com

The cuts and there burdens will be placed on our backs the people responsible will eat just fine..........and they wont even have back yard gardens,i guess thats why they call us the salt of the earth.ME i am not in a hurry to season anything that time will come.......

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 7:27 PM

JYD:

He was not found to be without "guilt." So I do not see how I made your point. It was all covered up by the MHSD and the teacher was allowed to retire, years later, with full retirement.

There is a BIG difference between innocent and not. This person was far from innocent but in small town USA...it made it right under the rug.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Mon, Feb 21, 2011, at 12:37 PM

YEARS LATTER......WELL WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN???????

ARE WE SEEKING RETROBUTION NOW??????????????? I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION WAS VALID.COULD THIS HAVE BEEN PROVEN IN COURT AND IF SO WHY DIDNT IT GET THERE????????????aRE you blaming the union for these actions,or the school district????????

Why didnt the parents file a crimnal complaint?? There are a lot of un answered questions here.

And what are we saying about today????????

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Feb 21, 2011, at 1:05 PM

There were "charges." A settlement was reached. The teacher paid pursuant to the terms of the "deal." It made the police blotter in this very paper. And the Teacher's union rallied to help this person.

I blame nobody. It is yet another example of just how messed up things really are and how things are not as they appear.

And for the record, the MHSD Board also supported this person. LEAD BY EXAMPLE!!!!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Mon, Feb 21, 2011, at 1:50 PM

SO SHOULD WE ASSUME THAT THE PARENTS WERE SATISFIED WITH THIS DEAL????? IF SO what are we saying???? that the deal should not have been made? THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD SHOULD HAVE INSURED THE FIRING . THAT THE UNION SHOULD HAVE INSURED FIRING ????????? IT would seem a lot of people got satisfied.At first you said not reported in paper and then you said reported in police blotter.ARE you saying there was not a major story?????? major storys without criminal conviction ruine lives settlements mean there was questions on criminalty otherwise the victom doesnt get to say do not charge,and neither does the school board or anyone else,that becomes the prosecutores thing.

You are right things are not as they appear and i to would like to know just what happened, but i cannot apply wrong doing simply because it didnt hit the papers front page.A lot of unknowns.

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Feb 21, 2011, at 4:08 PM


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