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Are Idaho's legislators kidding?

Posted Wednesday, February 2, 2011, at 12:20 PM

There are times you have to wonder if some of the members of the Idaho Legislature have a clue what they're doing -- or for that matter if any of them actually passed a basic high school government class.

There are members who don't believe the laws that apply to the rest of us apply to them (like paying their state taxes). Some want to return to the gold standard to pay debts (imagine everyone having to have measuring devices for gold and up-to-the minute prices on what gold is worth).

But the latest idiocy comes from those who want to invoke the principle of "nullification."

Nullification is an arcane concept that's gotten new life recently from 10th Amendment extremists. Essentially, it says each state has the right to individually "nullify" any federal law its legislatures don't consider to be constitutional. Forget that the 10th Amendment essentially died on the battlefields of the Civil War. Forget for a moment that the people pushing this concept usually call themselves "constitutionalists," meaning they claim to understand the Constitution better than the Supreme Court, the legal ultimate arbitrator of what the Constitution means.

Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the Constitution says that "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof... shall be the supreme Law of the Land...." Therefore, if state laws and federal law conflict, the federal law must be followed by the citizens and the courts.

Nullification has NEVER been upheld by any court with the power to rule on the Constitution. If states can pick and choose from the smorgasbord of federal law then we no longer have a republic, we would have a confederacy. It took our founding fathers less than eight years to realize that a confederation just wouldn't work and to adopt the current Constitution creating a federal republic. Apparently, some of our legislators haven't passed U.S. history classes, either.

The federal courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court of the United States, determine if a law is constitutional or not. If the legislature doesn't like a federal law, it can direct the state's attorney general to sue in federal court to challenge the constitutionality of that federal law. That is the proper procedure. Idaho, for example, is one of several states that sued over key provisions of the new health care law and so far the states seem to be winning in the federal courts.

Sure, there are times the federal government seems a little heavy handed, but remember that no law was passed unless a majority of the elected representatives of the people agreed to do so. That's the basic principal of our government. If you don't like a federal law, either change those representatives or sue in federal court.

But trying to invoke nullification is a worthless waste of time. Haven't these clowns got better things to do?


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Yes, under an earlier START protocol, Russia got notice of the TRANSFER of nukes to places like Britain. But what they DID NOT get was unique identifiers such as serial numbers that they NOW will get under this new START program. These serial numbers will quantify and specify EXACTLY what we give Britain and anyone else.

Now tell me, is it a good idea to be MORE transparent with Russia than you are with the people of America? Yet another bad move by Obama is what this amounts to.

Here's a very informative link that explains everything on this matter: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/05/di...

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Mon, Feb 7, 2011, at 6:34 AM

SO....WITH APPROVAL AND CONSENT OF THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT,TRANSFER OF TRIDENT MISSLES TO INCLUDE THE NUMBER OF MISSLES WILL BE REPORTED TO THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AND THAT IS ALSO A PART OF THE IST START TREATY.SO NOTHING HAS CHANGED,THE TWO GOVERNMENTS HAVE LONG BEEN DOING THIS.............

When the first treaty was done i know that the RUSSIANS did not count just OUR missles,it was a very rigid point of negotiations,I would figure that to decrease the size of the nuk arsenals,and agreement was struck that would satify the RUSSIAN contention that ALL NATO allies missiles be counted. SO THERE HAS NOT BEEN A CHANGE AND THATS ACCORDING TO THE UK PAPER AND BOTH GOVERNMENTS OFFICIALY AGREE............SO WHATS THE PROBLEM??????????? there is the twist we talk about.a twist for political gain,IF THIS PRESIDENT HAD DONE WHAT THE ACCUSATION WAS THE MEDIA CIRCUS WOULD HAVE WENT CRAZY BOTH RIGHT AND LEFT.............ME PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE SAID AND IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE........THANKS EAGLE,AND MRS M..............WHAT SAY YOU ZOOK????

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Feb 6, 2011, at 2:34 PM

I'm not sure if this is what your looking for??

This is a U.K. Online paper and if you type U.K. Newspaper into your browser it will bring up more Newspapers

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Feb 6, 2011, at 1:55 PM

-WELL SO FAR I HAVE GOT THIRD PARTY......A POLITICAL FORUM WHO USED SOPPOSED WKILEAKS INFO.............NOT GOOD ENOUGH.......I WANT TO HEAR THE BRITSH GOVERNMENT SAY IT......THATS ME.............I DO KNOW LAUNCH CODES ARE SET BY THE COUNTRY WHO OWNS THE WEAPONS,NOT US,NOT THE FACTORY ETC,THAT IS A PROCESS OF ITS OWN........I SAT NUC ALERT FOR YEARS........ THAT ACCESABILTY IS NOT A JOKE.........WHAT THE PUBLIC SEE'S ON TV IS JUST A GLIMPSE....WELL STILL SEARCHING.....GOING BACK AT IT ......LATTER

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Feb 6, 2011, at 1:04 PM

Right from the Left wing media.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/...

-- Posted by Eagle_eye on Sun, Feb 6, 2011, at 1:04 PM

HOLD ON ZOOK......WHAT IS THE SOURCE FOR THIS??????I HAVE BEEN UP SINCE 6 AM THIS MORNING WATCHING TV ESPECIALLY FOX I HAVE YET TO HEAR ANYTHING,,,,,,,,,,SO WHATS THE SOURCE????????????I went to fax because of ACORN.........FOX USED DOCTERED VIDEO IN THAT CASE,DAMAGED AND DESTROYED A GROUP THAT HELPED THE POOR AND WHEN IT CAME OUT THEY SIMPLY WALKED AWAY......THE PEOPLE ARE BEING PROSECUTED.............I ALSO WENT TO THEM BECAUSE.of there hatred of this PRESIDENT,SO FOR THEM IF TRUE THIS WOULD BE A COUP.They have said nothing so far.sO YES I AM SKEPTICAL.......BUT I AM LOOKING.

Royalty i was talking about state functions. I was talking about salutations.Salutations are meant to be greetings to open doors for friendship. To greet in your national way and to be greeted in there national way is a time honored custom to make it mutual is the goal.I will never understand a problem with that,America does not Rule the world we are not in this world alone and respecting others culture and traditions is not a sign of weakness,if anything it is a sign of strength.It says I RESPECT YOU I DO NOT FEAR YOU.........remember the saying UGLY AMERICAN.........i hate that saying but i do know how it came about.ARROGANT BEHAVIOR GETS YOU NOTHING IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT MAKE FRIENDS......MY OPINION,WHICH DOESNT COUNT.........ANTHOW i am going to spend some time on the net looking for this source and or something to say this happened.

HOMER HOMER HOMER......YOU AMAZE ME.. YOU JUST DONT GET IT..... NAME CALLING HOMER................,YOU KNOW WHAT IT SAY S ABOUT YOU HOMER .......A WEAK MIND TRYING TO EXPRESS ITSELF FORCEFULLY........NAME CALLING HOMER..........GET IT.........................

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Feb 6, 2011, at 12:02 PM

For those of you that would sooner be informed rather than just opinionated, here's a link to Obama's latest blunder: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/1...

Shameful that this one man is turning our allies away at a record pace!

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Sun, Feb 6, 2011, at 7:57 AM

Bazookaman,

This is as shameful a move as I've ever seen from any sitting president. I actually consider it an impeachable offense. Proof positive that Obama is a short range thinker, if that.

As to the other moron, no commment will be made. Back in the day when the Sioux Indians roamed this land, they referred to themselves as "the Human Beings". The biggest insult they could ever do to another Sioux was to tell them, "You are not worth talking to". This is EXACTLY how I feel about the moronic idiot that can't resist jotting his stuidity down for all of us to see on every blog on this site. Pity, yes, but I'm done responding to it. It's obvious his ignorance is never going to be broken through. His problem, not mine.

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Sun, Feb 6, 2011, at 7:03 AM

I HAVE HAD THE GRANKIDS ALL DAY DIDNT GET THE NEWS ILL CHECK IT OUT THOUGH i believe you zook thats not a problem ,and i will consider the source, here of late a lot of things are said and when they are proven false you dont hear about that so i will look for that...........THE LAST TREATY WE HAD WITH THE RUSSIANS COUNTED WAR HEADS ALSO ,SO NOTHING NEW THERE AS FAR AS OUR ARSENAL IS CONCERNED.....We have enough to destroy the planet and so do they so MADD IS STILL INTACT.....

iF THAT IS TRUE I WILL HAVE SERIOUS RESERVATIONS ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON.SO IM WITH YOU ON THAT......I understand diplomatic respect to royalty,i understand the lawsuit and the reason foR IT. the ILLEGALS AND THE PARKS ARE MISS STATED. THE DRUG CARTELS ARE ON NATIONAL PARK LAND HAVING WARS AND PROTECTING POT GROWS THEY DONT WANT YOU AND i caught in that,how ever they should attempt to do something about it.Bring our people home and we would have the manpower..........MISSILE DEFENSE IS A JOKE. MONEY DOWN A SINK HOLE.CHECK OUT THE TECHNOLOGY......NOT THERE.......MAYBE IN 5-10 YRS. WE NEED LASER WEAPONS TO BE EFFECTIVE THAT WAS A FALSE SECURITY.WHAT MAKES IT UN WORKABLE IS MIRVED ARMED WEAPONS......BASICLY YOU SATURATE THE SYSTEM,,,,CK AVIATION WEEKLY,AIRFORCE MAG THE MAG FROM THE WAR COLLEG THEY TALKED ABOUT IT EXSTNSIVELY SOME YEARS BACK.............PUT UP DEATH TOLLS EVERYDAY.......YOU BET......I WOULDNT CARE WHO THE PRESIDENT IS THAT IS ONE THING WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW. BECAUSE BELIEVE ME DURING VIETNAMM THEY LIED ABOUT IT.IF THE TRUTH HAD BEEN TOLD WE WOULD HAVE COME HOME VERY QUICKLY.

I SEE THAT HOMER IS BEING HIS SAME DISRESPECTFULL SELF.YOU JUST HAVNT LEARNED HAVE YOU??????????? ITS CHARACTER homer you DONT have any......+CONSIDER HOW INEPT THAT MAKES YOU........YOU HAVE TO RESPECT YOURSELF BEFORE YOU CAN ANYONE ELSE......SO YOU HAVE TOLD US WERE YOUR AT WHEN YOU KEEP TRYING TO BE KING OF THE YARD,THROUGH BULLING AND NAME CALLING...........SOME DAY MAYBE..................

DUTY..... HONOR....... COUNTRY..... AND YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE............YOULL NOTICE I DIDNT IMPLY HOW YOU WERE RAISED OR WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAUGHT,DIDNT EVEN MENTION WERE YOU SHOULD PLAY AT .YOU ALREADY GAVE US THAT INFORMATION.....WONT TO TRY AGAIN????????????????

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Feb 6, 2011, at 12:37 AM

Bush wasn't attacked everyday? LMAO! WOW! Some people's memories are shot. Bush was hammered every day by the left. The left also put up death tolls every day as well. Funny how you don't see that broadcast everywhere with Obama in office.

Bush also NEVER sued any state for wanting to protect its borders with federal laws already on the books, either. Now I hear that Obama will share information with Russia on how many nuclear Trident missiles the UK has. The hits just keep on coming with this inept empty suit.

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Sat, Feb 5, 2011, at 10:31 AM

ZOOK.....I DIDNT HAMMER ANYONE IM WITH YOU the point being that it is easy to point fingers.I am tired of the poison towards this PRESIDENT it is none stop and its OLD.IM SORRY BUT i dont remember BUSH BEING ATTACKED DAILEY.Now I WILL Admit i didnt pay as much attention.

GOV BREWER IS NOT SOLVING THE PEOBLEM AND NEITHER IS THE SHERRIFF. problems arnt solved over night The fed has spent more money ever for more border patrol personell and eqiuipment than at any time in the last 50yrs.DEPORTATIONS ARE UP 60% PEOPLE CROSSING ARE DOWN 50% WHAT MORE CAN YOU ASK AFTER ONLY 2 YRS IF THAT.

I THINK people percieve we put people down there on the border and it will all just stop you know it wont and so do I. heck the NVA got right to the wire at 891 zook and we thought we had it sealed.Walls, wire etc will not stop it and there comming from all parts of SOUTH AMERICA .Its about money and a better life as they percieve it.I dont fault the people I fault there governments,Thats another blob. I AM SAYING THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO DO THINGS AND BOTH SIDES NEED TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND SIT DOWN AND DO SOME SOUL SEARCHING.

Now the drug thing has been with us to long and we created it.wHEN PEOPLE WERE SCREAMING ABOUT IT WE WERE IGNORED.IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PERCIEVED AS BEING A GHETTO THING.WHEN WE FINALLY REALIZED IT WAS EVERYWHERE WE HALF...WENT AFTER IT BECAUSE OF THE MONEY.WELL THE MONEY IS DRIVING WHAT HAPPENS ALL ALONG THE BORDER WITH DRUGS.THE MONEY OUTWEIGHS ALL THINGS.THINK OF THIS IF ITS A LOT OF MONEY TO US,IMAGINE WHAT ITS LIKE TO THEM.......I DONT THINK THAT REQUIRE EXPLANATION.\

The money is driving the crimanalization of pot,

so how long can we afford to load up the jails with pot smokers?.but you see our jails are privatized .....so pay as you go....its the money..on both sides.

LET me say this...i am in arizona i get stopped i show drivers license ,insurance,registration.and i dont have proof of citezenship.THEREFORE ARRESTED. I WILL SUE THE STATE OF ARIZONA.UNLESS THERE IS A UNIFORM LAW FOR PROOF OF CITEZENSHIP AND IDENTIFICATION TO GO WITH IT THATS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME AND THE RIGHT CASE.......IT WILL HAPPEN............WELL GOT SOME THINGS TO DO SEE YOU LATTER

-- Posted by lamont on Sat, Feb 5, 2011, at 10:25 AM

I DONT KNOW ANYONE THERE,BUT IM SURE THEIR CHARACTER IS BETTER THAN YOURS.......

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 7:23 PM

lamont, bugger off! I'm tired of your gibberish, tired of your ignorance, and mostly just tired of you. Now, out of sheer mercy, this is the LAST post you get from me....ever. I don't suffer fools like you one minute longer than I have to. So you can take your ignorance and turn it on someone else. Every single blog on here is ruined when you come to post your nonsense. EVERY ONE! There isn't ONE TIME you've EVER posted anything clearly, and in a thought provoking manner. Now go play in the street, you're boring as hell.

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 7:05 PM

BOY.BOY.......MY MOTHER.... NOW YOU ARE IN AND AREA THAT SHOWS JUST HOW LITTLE CHARACTER YOU HAVE,IF YOU EVER HAD ANY........THIS BOY MADE IT SO YOU COULD USE THAT TERM FREELY HOWEVER HE WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS,AND WHEN IT COMES TO TALKING ABOUT MY MOTHER OR ANYONES YOU SHOULD BE CAREFULL ,IM NOT A COWARD, BUT I AM A SON AND SONS DEFEND.............COWARD

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 6:10 PM

It's at about this point where I would have paid my tab and asked the barkeep for directions to the back door.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 6:10 PM

Sticks and stones, little boy. Mama should have taught you that.

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 5:29 PM

MORONIC,EMEOTIONAL,SPEWAGE......................... SO YOU HAVNT FORGOTTEN YOUR NAME CALLING.............GREAT............NOW LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND REPEAT ......AFTER YOURSELF

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 5:20 PM

Just as I thought....not a word about the nullification topic. Only more moronic, emotional, spewage.

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 5:11 PM

LETS SEE INTERLLECTUAL BIGOTRY BECAME PERSONAL .TOUGH IF THATS THE WAY YOU INTERPRET IT.IT IS WHAT IT IS.......I DIDNT SPEND MY TIME IN COLLEGE AT A TYPE WRITTER,THATS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.

IF you had payed attention you would have seen that i answered ZOOKS comment but you wanted to jump so bad you didnt pay attention.

you went to grade school????????? WHERE YOU THE BULLY WITH BRAINS THAT BEAT SENSE INTO EVERYONE???????????JUST ASKING........AND if there was something wrong with what i said why didnt you say what it was ???????? There you go telling me what i know......assumption why????????? did i give you the impression that i cant read???????????? or do you make that assumption about anyone you dont agree with or doesnt agree with you??????????and you have a problem with the comment intelellectual bigotry, EVERY other word out of your mouth is and attempt at a put down,......look in the mirror and convince yourself that YOU know everything.aND THEN US MORTALS WILL DECIDE IF THE WORLDS A BETTER PLACE....................

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 4:52 PM

Now you've called me a bigot as well as a coward. All well and good lamont....if we were in grade school, but we aren't. At least, I'm not. The way you write actually proves something about YOU, not me. The topic was nullification, I doubt seriously you know what that even means.

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 4:24 PM

OH i see only you our intellectual scholar is allowed to call names when he wishes all previous name calling should be set aside mtill you do it.....WRONG. YOUR PRECONCIEVED IDEAS ABOUT PEOPLE PRECEED YOU.YOUR SELF RIGHTOUS INTELLECTUAL BIGOTRY DOESNT ALLOW YOU TO VIEW ANY CONTENT THAT YOU DONT AGREE ON.......THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG WHO ARE FAR MORE INTELLECTUAL ADEPT THAN YOU WILL EVER BE,BECAUSE THEY LISTEN....AND THEY DEAL WITH CONTENT AND IN SOME CASES THE ABSTRACT OF THAT CONTENT......TRY IT SOMETIME YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING......AND WETHER YOU CONSIDER HOW I WRITE LITERATE OR NOT DOESNT COUNT......SO i HOPE YOU HAVE AND IDEA WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT...YOU CALLED ME NAMES ,MS M NAMES, AND QUITE BA FEW OTHERS JUST WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE???????????? AND THEN WHEN IT HAPPENS TO YOU YOU CRY.........TO BAD..........AND IM BEING NICE.......AND FOR THE RECORD.....I WOULNT BE CONSIDERED A LIBERAL.....BUT YOU WOULDNT SEE THAT

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 4:07 PM

lamont,

At no point did I call you a name. You, however, just called me a coward. In case you weren't clear on it, THAT IS A NAME! Rock on, lamont! Why do liberals always accuse others of what they, themselves, are guilty of?

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 3:11 PM

YOU did exactly what i thought you would.......you sir are a COWARD who hids behind the name calling and the attempts to put people in there quote.....place......you dont have conversations you want indoctrination,and for someone to admite that they hold all liberals ,and democrates in CONTEMPT WHY ARE YOU EVEN COMMENTING ON ANYTHING,,,,,,,,you would probally have the best conversation with YOURSELF,and guess what?????? youll ALWAYS AGREE

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 3:02 PM

lamont,

Apparently you'd LOVE me to comment on your drivel, but I have learned it's best not to. You, lamont, will never give credence to anyone else's opinion but your own, therefore nothing I point out to you, no facts I use to refute your gobbledy goo, will matter any more than a fart in a windstorm. Rock on with your bad self, lamont! I'll save my comments for literate and introspective postings.

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 2:46 PM

GO to the web and type anything that says GEORGE BUSH BROKE THE LAW and start READING .......EVERYTHING IS NOT TRUE THAT WE ALL KNOW, SO WEED OUT WHAT FITS AND WHAT DOESNT.........OH...AND INCLUDE THE PATRIOT ACT AS IT WAS FIRST WRITTEN BEFORE IT GOT STRUCK DOWN AND MODIFIED......AND HOMER YOU CAN COMMENT ALL YOU WANT..........BUT i suggest you keep your name calling to yourself.I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO FINDS IT BORING, INSULTING,AND AT MY AGE DISRESPECTFULL.......OOPS I THOUGHT THAT RESPECT WAS A RIGHT WING TRADEMARK,ONLY LIBERALS WERE DISRESPECTFULL...........MESSED UP AGAIN....DARN''''''

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 1:51 PM

lamont, that was painful to even read, much less comment on.......so I'm not going to.

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 12:16 PM

THIS ADMINISTRATION.......does not think it can make rules as it goes along.THIS ADMINISTRATION TOOK THE STAND NOT TO INVESIGATE THE PREVIOUSE ONE FOR.........BROKEN LAWS,AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.

THE CONGRESS HOWEVER DID ON SOME ISSUES INVESTIGATE...........REP CONYERS(D) COMMITTEE ISSUED A REPORT CITING THE LAWS BROKEN..THE PRESIDENT SAID AND INSURED THAT THAT REPORT DIED.

I dont mind finger pointing but they need to be pointed in both directions......KING GEORGE is probally a good analogy and then you have to ask who are you refering to?

IT is funny to me when the courts go the rights way its great but if it goes any other way the judge is activist,stop it.The thing that bothers me is i have no faith in the supreme court as it sits right now. MORE THAN ANYTHING IT GAVE AMERICA TO SPECIAL INTREST AND THE CORPORATIONS,GEORGE BUSHES ELECTION?????? AND CAMPAIGN FINANCE.i dont think anyone can stick there head in the sand on those two issues.

I THINK GOV BREWER is a person who is stuck in the 50'S AS SHE SEES THINGS AND SO IS THE LEGISLATURE.THATS OK, DOES NOTHING FOR THE PROBLEM

IF YOU TAKE THE TIME AND DO SOME READING YOU WILL FIND SOME SURPRISING SATISTICS ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN ARIZONA IN THE LAST 2 YRS,THAT is why HANNITY,RUSH and co are not talking about it.RATHER than tear down this PREIDENT how about giving CREDIT when due without a caveout'''''''I STILL want to know why the level of hate and discontent.....2 wars,5,000 dead,40,000 wounded for a lie and its OK??? YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING

AND we have people calling for bombing IRAN because of EGYPT.....do we need to keep practicing WAR till we get it righ????? OR is that how we cover giving the carpetbaggers money??? WE NEED TO REMEMBER THERE KIDS DONT WEAR UNIFORMS,OURS DIE IN PIECES TO BE BROUGHT HOME IN BAGS........THERES DIE OF EXCESS TO BE EULOGIZED IN THE MAGAZINES.....GOTTA GO TEMPER

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 11:06 AM

Observer,

I clearly was NOT asserting that states don't have to go along with CONSTITUTIONAL law. I was merely stating that nullification is a practice that is still used today, and often is the catalyst that makes our politicians think twice before they enact laws that dont pass the constitutional sniff test. I have zero problem with nullification, and see it for what it is, an important defense mechanism for a free people.

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 10:22 AM

Maybe there will a people "nullification" in Nov 12.

-- Posted by arsenal on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 9:06 AM

Observer:

Actually, the last "guy" that attempted nullification was the state of Montana in an effort to stop the Obama administration from getting their hooks into guns and ammo made in that state. The Firearms Freedom Act, first introduced in Montana, seeks to disregard regulations imposed by the ATF. The claim is that if the weapon is manufactured and kept within the state then it is beyond regulation of the federal government.

As Jefferson warned, if the federal government is allowed to hold a monopoly on determining the extent of its own powers, we have no right to be surprised when it keeps discovering new ones. If the federal government has the exclusive right to judge the extent of its own powers, it will continue to grow -- regardless of elections, the separation of powers, and other much-touted limits on government power.

Two dozen American states nullified the REAL ID Act of 2005. More than a dozen states have successfully defied the federal government over medical marijuana. Nullification initiatives of all kinds, involving the recent health care legislation, cap and trade, and the Second Amendment are popping up everywhere.

Nullification is an important defense mechanism for a free people, with deep roots in American history -- albeit American history no one is taught in school. So you see, Kelly, this aint a joke and no one is "kidding".

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Thu, Feb 3, 2011, at 5:28 PM

"Sometimes the government is a little heavy handed" Like Ruby Ridge, Waco, or the little Cuban Boy?

-- Posted by skeeter on Thu, Feb 3, 2011, at 4:21 PM

Shouldn't federal gov't also follow the RULES of putting together and passing a bill? Because that's NOT what happened with Obamacare.

-- Posted by Mtn.Homer on Thu, Feb 3, 2011, at 9:42 AM

Keep going junk. You're right on point.

-- Posted by AtomicDog on Thu, Feb 3, 2011, at 7:58 AM

The Declaration of Independence was a petition of greivance...in essence, an "up yours" letter sent to the Crown.

Between that declaration and the ratification of the U.S. Constitution, there occurred a few years of warfare and political negotiations before our Republic received it's stamp of approval.

What are you saying, Zook? Change the rules?...start over because you disapprove of the oppressive government's imposition of daylight savings time on the masses?...overide the rule of law because you think the liberals have too many votes?

We swore to support and defend the Constitution, not the politicians. If you prefer the expediency of firepower to settle legal argument over votes, you are more unAmerican than you think.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Wed, Feb 2, 2011, at 8:08 PM

That you consider the Supremacy Clause to refute nullification essentially says you are not entitled to an opinion. This is an error unworthy of a second grader. Seriously. You think Jefferson was unaware of the Supremacy Clause?

-- Posted by TWoods on Wed, Feb 2, 2011, at 7:41 PM

Can you at least take the time to understand a topic before weighing in? This was Thomas Jefferson's idea, after all; am I to consider you a greater thinker than he?

As for the civil rights movement discrediting nullification, would you say the internment of the Japanese discredits the federal government? If not, why not? Why the double standard?

Abolitionists used nullification to fight against the fugitive-slave laws. Would you have told them to take a hike, too?

Every one of these arguments is addressed here:

http://www.tomwoods.com/nullification-an...

The Zombie video was meant as a parody of how the media would treat nullification, not a model to live by!

http://www.InterviewWithAZombie.com

-- Posted by TWoods on Wed, Feb 2, 2011, at 7:40 PM

bazookaman I can find no words to say it any better than you have. I AM BEHIND YOU 100%

-- Posted by working stiff on Wed, Feb 2, 2011, at 6:28 PM

i wanted to say something about this, but i knew i really couldnt think of the way to put it, I like the way Zookman put it.

-- Posted by shockwave on Wed, Feb 2, 2011, at 3:49 PM


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