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Reject the politics of hate

Posted Wednesday, August 18, 2010, at 12:57 PM

The politics of hate is getting increasing press these days, with most of the rhetoric coming from the radical Republican right wing.

Make no mistake about it, we do not believe many of the views of the radical right represent those of reasonable Republicans. But they are clearly tarring the Grand Old Party with a brush of bigotry and hate.

The most reviled man in this country right now, by their standards, would be a gay Hispanic muslim. If that poor man accidentally walked into a Tea Party convention he'd probably be stoned to death.

Proposition 8 in California has focused attention on the rights of people who have "alternate sexual orientations." Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, gay-bashers are convinced that homosexuals will destroy the fabric of society and are trying to drive them back into the closet, seeking to deny them basic and fundamental rights. Proposition 8 was a knee-jerk and visceral reaction to a change in society's attitudes, and the arguments being used remind us eerily of the 18th-century arguments to oppose marriages based on "love," not family arrangement.

The mosque in New York City has become a lightning rod for those who believe all muslims are evil. They would toss out the constitutional right to freedom of religion in favor of their hate for muslims. Granted, the people who proposed the mosque could (and should) have been a little more sensitive and found a site a little further away than ground zero of the 9/11 attacks.

But simply because some radical muslim clerics around the world have preached a message of hate doesn't mean all muslims embrace that message. We've had nationally-recognized Christian religious leaders in this country (many warmly embraced by the radical right) who also have preached messages of hate, violence and intolerance, but that doesn't make all Christians evil people. Hardly.

Finally, the significant problem of illegal immigrants in this country, most of them Hispanic, and the rising tide of narco-terrorism in Mexico that is starting to spill over into the United States, have resulted in a growing resentment -- egged on by the hate-mongers, many of them seeking personal political advantage we might note -- against anyone of Hispanic descent in the United States, citizen or not.

They've even turned to attacking children now, those born in the United States by parents who aren't American citizens. In that specific case, the 14th Amendment probably does need to be clarified. We'd just change it to grant citizenship to any child born anywhere in the world, who has at least one parent who is an American citizen (which would have cleared up the silly arguments involving President Reagan's birth).

We also clearly need to make a serious effort to stop illegal immigration and remove those in our country who are here illegally, but we need to do it through a set of constitutionally acceptable laws that don't simply target people with brown skin. We can do it by firming up laws to make sure people don't hire illegal immigrants and by allowing law enforcement agencies to check on citizenship status for anyone and everyone arrested for a crime.

And we need a greatly expanded border patrol (interesting that Arizona's governor didn't use her National Guard to improve border security, because she didn't want to pay for it, but demanded the national government federalize guardsmen to do the job, even though as federal troops -- unlike a state militia called out by a governor-- they have no law-enforcement power).

Opponents of these hate-mongers are standing on the firm foundation of the Constitution, which among other things was designed to stifle even a majority of opinion if it would lead to a tyranny. Sometimes, the Constitution is a slippery surface, but in the face of all adversity it is always wise to stand on its basic principals, even if some of us wish we could solve our problems by other, often more draconian, means.

The Constitution protects us all, including those we sometimes wish it wouldn't. That gay Hispanic muslim should have no fewer rights than any of the rest of us. The Constitution says so.

H.L. Mencken once noted, "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

Which is why the hate-mongers among us must be repudiated. For if they succeed, what might their next target be? Oppression tends to gain momentum, like an avalanche, until all are caught in its path and destroyed.

We need reasoned debate and reasonable solutions to our problems, not the pitchforks and torches of mob rule that the hate-mongers are trying to incite.

They are far more dangerous to our nation than any terrorist could ever dream of being.


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It is not hate, only showing sensitivity to the victims of 911. The Moslems have made it a practice to build Mosques over the religious or cultural areas they conquer. Where was their sensativity when the build the Dome of the Rock over the Jewish Temple site.

Gay marraige is an act that will destroy traditional marriage. It is not from hate that we fight it, it is to protect all society. History has shown over and over when you devalue and destroy the family, the nation falls.

Homosexuality is a preversion from the natural course of develeopment. We all go through a phase where we love those members of the same sex, but not in a sexual way. In the past, homosexuals never got married as they entered only highly promiscuious relationships (Like the bath house of San Francisco which are still in operation.) Now they are trying to force their lifestyle that is chosen, not geneitc, upon the rest of us. Give them equal rights, there is domestic partnerships which they have, but don't destroy marriage just so they can feel good about themselves. In the Bible it is clearly an abomination. God is unchageable. God loves all this children including the homosexuals, he just hates the sin.

-- Posted by moore219 on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 1:29 PM

Perhaps you could quit drinking and typing at the same time.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 5:52 PM

Amen Zook, amen.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 10:49 AM

The Islamic religion did not attack America. A small group of Muslims who oppose their religion decided to break off and attack America.

Islam is actually a peaceful religion. The majority of Muslims actually respect Christianity. I am not sure if building a ...Mosque near ground zero might be the right place, but in America we have the freedom of religion.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 11:14 AM

Ms Marylin,

You have an incurable disease...you think a rat can be a rabbit if you treat it like a bunny.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 5:37 PM

well i can see that kelley was talking to the wall......and to zook.....what you threw out there ....thats what people throw when other people dont go along with there radical ideas....what say you to the idea that you could be the communist you accuse other people of being.....or better still, other peoples opinions are drivel??......just who do you think you are????not only do you not respect others, you dont even show respect for yourself

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 5:06 AM

With all the violence that has been rained down on illegals and gays and Muslims its a wonder that there are any of them left. You talk about tolerence and resonable debate and then accuse the Tea Party of posessing the will to stone people. Tell me, reporter/research boy, can you tick off a couple of the horribly violent acts that the Tea Party has committed? There was a stoning of a couple a while days back by those peace loving Muslims.

If the klan wanted to put up a swaztika next to the MLK monument, or when you see someone sporting a swaztika tatoo, you question their motives. They have the right to build there and I would be opposed to any law that wouldn't allow them to. I just wonder why they want to. Just because you don't agree with the radical right doesn't mean they don't have the right to voice their opinion.

I haven't seen an "attack" on children or a Tea party stoning. I do see people coming into our country illegally and doing something like killing an American family of four while drunk driving down at Glenns Ferry. I do see people in other countrys that are of the peaceful Muslim religion stoning a couple to death. I do see peaceful Muslim fathers comit honor killings.

-- Posted by AtomicDog on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 8:55 AM

And our Government has just pledged billions to a self-admitted terrorist nation. Which side is our Government on? That is the billion dollar question.

We have people with kids in this country who live in tents and their vehicles. We have people in this country who cannot find jobs. We have people in this country who have lost their homes, have no jobs, etc. with no help in sight BUT...we have money to give to terrorists.

Priceless. It makes me really proud to be an American. Funny how people who hate us so much seem to have no problem taking our money----and our own Government has no problem sending it to them. Work harder and longer to support terrorists. Yep, this is a proud moment indeed.

AD and Bazooka, you are dead on.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 10:41 AM

Mabe we should build a monument at Camp Minidoka near Twin Falls

http://farrit.lili.org/node/94

Those that were as little as 1/16th Japanese could be placed in internment camps. There is evidence supporting the argument that the measures were racially motivated, rather than a military necessity. For example, orphaned infants with "one drop of Japanese blood" (as explained in a letter by one official) were included in the program.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 11:47 AM

I scrolled down to the bottom of the page Clinton made Minidoka a National Monument in 2001 :)

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 2:00 PM

i am not advocating that they build there i am saying that they have a legal right......and that is what the president said and that is what the constitution says.... and that was all i was saying so get it right.......side i should take a side .......i dont have to i am and american who will fight and die for my country if needed.....but i will not subvert it to be subverted........and i like a lot of other americans who have been and continue to be discriminated against......recognize the intent of people who insist that they can enforce the constituion when they want and ignore it as they see fit.......thats not america or is it.....and those people that got killed where hispanic how ironic is that??????? for me he should get life but im not the judge.....if he gets life or the max on either count he should serve it before they deport him..........what muslims do in a muslim country is there business,its there country

what they do here as guest is our busness and should be treated as such.....we should not blanket and entire group because of the actions of a few that is wrong period.........anybody can be a racist.......it is not a gift to any one group,,,,,,so dont get perionoid.......it is and equal oppertunity sickness........i am pretty moderate but i dont see the need to go to extemes all the time.........stop and consider whats being said........takeovers.......GM.......turning a profit payning us back with intrest and the takeover was a matter of national security.......and a lot of people stayed working......sounds like a winner to me......i understood it that doesnt mean i liked it.......zook do you have to label people????? dems with illegals and terrorist....pretty stong.....some of those same liberals where with you in nam,they died too,they bled too...does that count???????? stop it.........have a great day

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 7:12 PM

I have to know, Lamont, what is with your punctuation?

I have trouble picking a side in the mosque issue. Because I have been involved in many mock congress sessions, even at the national level, I want to stand by the constitution. Nothing in the constitution allows us to deny the construction of that mosque. A lot of those who don't mind the mosque, or that even want it do have valid points- first of all, it is not AT ground zero, which leads me to wonder how far is far enough for this mosque to be built where we can please both those who feel hurt by the actions of (RADICAL) muslims during 9/11, but still protect the constitution.

At the same time, my first reaction to the mosque was shock and anger. 9/11 is one of the first memories I can clearly remember, and I feel that, although the muslim people were not necessarily the ones behind the attack, the planners were acting very insensitively. Ground zero will (hopefully) always be hallowed ground to the American people, and to carry on with amidst the outrage shows a lot of indifference to the feelings of the citizens who allowed them to come live in our safe and free land. I have to agree with bazooka- When is it our turn to have our feelings tip toed around?

-- Posted by lilmissmelmo on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 10:40 PM

I wonder if the Tea Party, NRA, Boy Scouts of America, or a military recruitment center was to be build at gound zero, if so many libs would be so supportive or their legal right to do so?

-- Posted by skeeter on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 7:07 AM

well lets see....punctuation????? i dont deal with that only thoughts as they come......zook i was racially profiled in this town not even 6 months ago.....had to get a lawyer.....funny thing...everyone said thats what happened...thats what i call today.....that was state police and sheriffe what say you ???.and i have lived here almost 40 years.......but i guess you would call that liberal sensitivity...and it was not the first time......zook they may not come to your reunions but they were in the fox holes and you know it.....i know it.....that is not the issue the issue is labeling,preconcieved ideas about what people are or are not.......how about the fact the gw trashed your constituanl rights day after day,down to your library books....a lie for a war that gets my kids killed .....you think thats ok?????? we should have went after who perpertrated the act not who was available....that in itself should be a crime......im not against war... sometimes thats whats needed......but for gods sake get it right i dont think thats to much to ask......what you have on film that you are outraged about is and idiot with a club in his hand it does not show him saying you cant vote here or attacking anyone.....now voter intimadation as practiced in the south involves,threats,bodily,job,family etc and that is a proven fact... i dont hear you decrieng that.......why not?....now i am not condoning this idiot because i would have told him to get the hell out of my way,and he should have been removed by the police,and i dont understand why that call wasnt made.....murder by the cia is against the law in some cercumstances, that was inacted under gw.......the lawsuit in AZ entails the constitution and the soverienty theroff.......and the judge who made the ruling is a gw appointee not known for any liberal leanings......the parts of the law she struck were clearly profiling at its best or worst whatever you want to call it........it is funny to me how you can complain about not beining recognized and that your rights are being neglected etc...were where you when that was the way i was treated....in uniform and out......if your going to stand up... do it all the time for everyone.....i can tell you this i would no more let you be mistreated as i would anyone under any cercumstance.....like you or not you are a citizen of my country and thats all that matters..... and believe me thats how i live my life......and i dont advocate deporting conservatives,liberals,independents,tea partiers etc.....i just dont have to agree with them and that doesnt make them anyless my countrymen......have a good one

-- Posted by lamont on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 9:52 AM

Perhaps if you had punctuated that statement better, I could have understood what you are saying. Your thoughts are rather jumbled together, so I don't feel comfortable responding.

-- Posted by lilmissmelmo on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM

sorry about that......respond ill figure it out,amd if i get it wrong im sure through conversation we will get it right......this is about communication right.....smile .....love it.think of zooks comments and then it will come into context........

-- Posted by lamont on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 1:19 PM

From what I understand the Mosque to be built is 2 blocks away. They could be long blocks or short blocks. Best thing before forming opinion's is go to Ground Zero and check out the site for yourself and then make an opinion. Is it to close for comfort or is it at a reasonable distance away from Ground Zero?

There are Moslims that work and live in the area of Ground Zero, so should we evict them?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 1:55 PM

hey listen.......i am not saying everyone everywhere........the testing system was a salvation for minoritys in the military it evened the playing field some.....not all.....aprs were still a problem,awards and decorations were also....i did a lot of things in the military......one thing was i was at staff positions that gave the data so i know....now kids are taught bigotry your right and i say leave the kids alone period and stop passing it on.....i dont have a problem with a legitimate traffic stop i stated before i have a problem with stops because i feel like it or because i can......thats what profiling is about....thats someones agenda not the law......funny thing about language when people come here we say you should learn to speak english......when i was a 1 sgt in thailand i had people say " how come that dumb thai doesnt speak english' YOU SEE WE EXPECT SOMETHING WE ARE NOT WILLING TO GIVE ...WE WERE THE GUEST HOW COME WE DIDNT SPEAK THAI????? get my point.......i get yours about the button i hate it.....but that comes with outsourced jbs.... and thats no exscuse......now i dont think anyone wants people to bend over backwards or give them anything i dont,....i just dont like being short changed,when you find that people put up road blocks to make it harder for you than the next guy it wears thin.....dont fool yourself the military was not and exception......the rules just made it harder......fair pay in the military......smile...... my first afsc was 431......i know the line intimately......so i can say i loved and i hated it....we are the unsung heroes of the airforce.......i have always felt that way and will go to my grave with the feelings of pride for all of us out there.......still cant pass and airport without those memorys the moment i smell jet fuel......some day face to face we will have to talk cant say what you need to hear in a blog take care.......

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 10:42 AM

Oh yes, they are quite peaceful...as long as you cover your pretty skin and refrain from driving or being seen with a male that is not your relation. I also wouldn't recommend listening to any western style music or smoke a pipe, lest you may be whacked. Don't speak to them about what you know of religion, since the mention of Jesus could cost you your life (proselytizing they will say). Freedom of religion which is in our constitution, doesn't apply to them since the "only" religion is their's, and again don't mention yours. Take some of the so called moderate countries for example, Dubai, Bahrain, Qatar...Kissing in public can get you thirty days or more. I don't hate, I just choose not to like.

-- Posted by jdvann on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 8:06 PM

Kelly has obviously drunk the Kool-Aid on Proposition 8. It does not deprive anybody of "basic and fundamental rights". The fundamental right is for marriage not the recent invention of "same sex marriage". There is a huge difference between not allowing somebody to exercise a right and not allowing them to unilaterally the redefine that right.. In this case the right involves an institution defined in relevant state and federal law as well as a cultural and religious heritage that goes back thousands of years, as a union between a man and a woman. Likewise there is a difference between hating somebody and accepting their actions, especially when we view those actions as abnormal and immoral!

-- Posted by Charlemagne on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 11:00 AM

The best, and most amusing, part is when people mistake ranting for passion. Unfortunately, it is impossible to rationalize the irrational...and narrow-minded folk will never concede to their affliction. Hate-mongers only get defensive when their actions are labeled or questioned, all the while operating under the belief that "If it doesn't look, act or believe like you, it must assimilated or killed." Taking the time to think things through is too much of an inconvenience. We celebrate America's first welfare case each Thanksgiving. Our great state is famous for its white supremacist gatherings and "pointy" temples of worship...yet people still have the ignorant audacity to drone on about such nonsense. Ask yourself this....if a group of Germans want to build a church in a Jewish neighborhood, does it make them Nazis? Get it together people.

-- Posted by ConsiderThis on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 4:26 PM

There have been gay people since the beginning of time, so how can people say it's a perversion of nature? I think we should allow homosexual people to marry, what is the point of not allowing them to marry? The heterosexual divorce rate is at 51%, so it's obvious that heterosexuals do not have marriage down to a science, and we should give everybody the equal chance to fail at marriage.

I have a job where I deal with illegal aliens, and while I would never promote anybody moving to this country illegally, but I don't promote a law that allows racial profiling, and plus Arizona plans on keeping illegal immigrants that they catch in jail for 6 months... how is that fiscally responsible? I got into an argument at work, because I said that I have never met an unemployed illegal alien, and the other person's response was "illegal aliens contribute minimally to society, because they have low paying jobs..." but, do you know how many people I have seen at my job that get SSI for depression or bipolar disorder, are unemployed, and have multiple children - by multiple partners... how do they contribute to society, while I am sympathetic to people that have depression and bipolar disorder, I just don't think you should get SSI and stay unemployed if your arms and legs work... seriously people like that make me more mad than illegal aliens. Getting rid of all the illegal aliens will not SOLVE America's problems.

I believe the Mosque/Muslim Community Center should be built at the location where they rightfully purchased the land. This country was founded on religious freedom, and to say they can't build an Islamic center a few blocks from ground zero does show intolerance and racism. The group that wants to build this center already has a mosque 12 blocks away in Tribeca that has been there for I think 30+ years. Most Muslims are not terrorists, and according to what I have read it's the 2nd most predominant religion in the world behind Christianity, and they deserve to worship and gather in a country that was founded for the purpose of religious freedom, on ground that they have legally bought...

-- Posted by OBJSmith31 on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 7:59 PM

Aww Kelly, I remember chatting about the MHnews with Dad when Lloyd was running the show. He always talked about telling the story not coming down on one side or another. I am glad you did this as an editorial and not a news item. But wow. I cannot believe that with the news items of recent days you would talk about Tea Party stonings when there have been a few stonings recently and not during Tea Party Rallys. I could go on for a few paragraphs but I will end by saying.... I am ashamed you wrote that much crap in one editorial.

-- Posted by R&M on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 9:57 PM

Bazookaman, here's a question for you-

Why are we basing gay marriage laws on the viewpoints of Christians?

1. There is a little thing called the constitution. It's referred to as the law of the land. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." So if most of your argument against gay marriage is comprised of Leviticus 18:22, to disallow gay marriage would be against the constitution. Sorry, you're not exempt.

2. Atheists can marry. If marriage is a solely religious practice, why do we allow people not of that religion to marry?

Marriage is a symbol of love, not a symbol of religion. Allowing homosexuals to marry someone they love will not destroy the bond heterosexual spouses have with each other, and to think so is rather close minded, in my opinion.

-- Posted by lilmissmelmo on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 11:56 AM

Go back to skool, jarhead...the United States is not and never has been a "democracy." This nation is a Republic. The Bill of Rights prevents the tyranny of the majority from becoming your biggest nightmare. Democracy has to be more than just two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

Do you really think a "democratic" society will endure past the day when 51% of the people decide to live off of the other 49%?

When you use the majority poll to support your version of the world, make sure you reference "individual" rights before waving the flag. The United States of America protects individuals from the collective opinions of ignoramuses. This is the beacon that draws others to our land. If you don't see this, then we Americans would be best served if you would crawl back into your bunker and pull your concertina wire back down with you.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 5:46 PM

Homosexuality has never been "taught" or "advertised" at any any public school I have ever stepped my foot in, and I have stepped my feet into many public schools.

What does AIDS have to do with gay marriage? Heterosexual people have and transmit AIDS too. Should we deny black people the right to marry, since their chances of getting HIV and developing AIDS is higher?

I support the constitution, bazookaman, but keep in mind that our founding fathers did a very smart thing- they made it flexible, so we can adapt it to the way society changes. I do not warp the wording to make it fit the situation. That is why, although I feel the muslims are being incredibly insensitive, and it makes me upset, I cannot support barring them from building the mosque, I can only support asking them to move and expressing my disapproval.

-- Posted by lilmissmelmo on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 6:15 PM

Lilmissmelmo,

An overly flexible Constitution cannot guarantee the rights of the people it is meant to protect.When some activist judge, like San Francisco's Vaughn Walker, reads something into the 14th Amendment that is not there he is abridging the rights of the people to make their own policy decisions.

Marriage is defined by relevant state and federal law as well as by a cultural and religious heritage that extends back thousands of years as the union between a man and a woman. Marriage is a fundamental right and nothing in Proposition 8 prohibits homosexuals from marrying.What it does prohibit is the unilateral redefinition of marriage. Just because somebody has the right to play a game does not mean that they have the right to fundamentally change the rules to fit their fancy!

-- Posted by Charlemagne on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 7:35 AM

The majority elected the ignoramuses Bazook...imagine the horror if the Bill of Rights didn't stand between America and the Obamaniacs. It'd be like the second coming of James Earl Carter the Third.

We started out as a Republic and will survive as a Republic regardless of what the elected representatives say; as long as we protect and defend the Constitution, not the politics, of the USA.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 7:59 PM


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