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Torture isn't our style

Posted Wednesday, April 22, 2009, at 11:43 AM

Some former Bush administration officials, from VP Dick Cheney on down, are screaming bloody murder over President Obama's decisions to not only ban torture as a means of interrogation, but to release details of the memos and techniques they were using during the Bush years.

They claim it threatens national security and not a one is apologetic about using torture.

They're wrong on both counts.

First, the use of torture has, at best, limited rewards. In most cases, the victim will tell interrogators whatever they want to hear in order to stop it. That doesn't mean what they're saying is accurate. And all the information they allegedly got hasn't turned into convictions in the special tribunals they set up, which allowed information obtained in torture to be used. So its value can't be anywhere near what they're claiming.

And a good interrogator doesn't need it in the first place.

But most importantly, and this is the point these guys just don't seem to ever get, is that this country is supposed to stand for something. It is supposed to stand for our efforts to seek the highest levels of the ideals of man. We are supposed to set the standard and serve as the example to all other nations.

Unfortunately, those former officials dragged us down to the level of the Saddam Husseins and Kim Jong-Ils of the world. But the ends rarely justify he means. Instead, the means usually exemplify the ends.

We are better than that, both as a people and as a nation.

Obama seems to understand that, and is attempting to restore our position as the standard-bearer for the world, and remove the black eye the previous administration gave us.

-- Kelly Everitt

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As barbarian as it sounds, it may be of use in some situations. However those situations would seem to be few. It seems like a way to vent frustrations and be justified in one's savagery. Overall, it is hard to define when it would be necessary and when it is pointless. Such is the quandary of most things it seems.

-- Posted by twilcox1978 on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 4:58 PM

Aw bazook you know we have to play by all the rules even in war, we have to set the example but other counties and cut of heads, shot people and thats ok, I never did understand why we have to play by rules and nobody else does

Just look at WW2, Koren and Vietnam I am so sure they played by all the rules, what a worthless joke

-- Posted by Eagle_eye on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 11:11 PM


Sarah Palin is taking all but 1/3 of the stimulus money and according to the Anchorage Daily times which is copy and pasted below looks like she may change her mind if she gets her way.

Palin has balked at taking one-third of it, including money for schools, energy assistance and social services.

Palin now says she'll accept the federal money if the Legislature agrees to use some of it to replace state spending. For example, she wants to cut 93 million state dollars that would go to schools -- and then award the schools that same amount in federal stimulus money to make up the difference.

-- Posted by small town on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 6:40 PM

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