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Keith Ryan

Putting the election first

Posted Wednesday, October 3, 2012, at 1:45 PM
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  • Most can't justify that. But when the country elects a mediocre agitator it's what we end up with.

    -- Posted by skeeter on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 2:08 PM
  • Nothing on USA Today or any of the main news websites about the continuing questions surrounding the terrorist attack in Libya.

    Nor did I see a great deal mentioned about the complete speech that he made in 2007.

    The sad thing is that most of those reporters were there and selectively reported what they wanted to say and very litte of the tone and manner that Obama displayed in his "ad-lib" moments.

    We should be outraged over these issues which has nothing to do with what he "inherited". But what he has chosen to ignore or incite and the deafening, selective silence from the major news sources.

    People have died on his watch. How can you justify that? And don't give me the hooey about Bush and the wars. Troops in Afghanistan are dying every day at the hands of the people that they are trying to help. 2,000 soldiers.

    Stand up for something or step down.

    -- Posted by KH Gal on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 3:23 PM
  • -- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 3:58 PM
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    re: the "King" statement.

    If the Chief Executive may legally take action on matters of importance to the United States, without the consent of a recalcitrant Congress, it is his duty to do so.

    If Congress doesn't like it, they can take their cases to court. Or, they'll take the easy way out and take it to the jury in the Court of Public Opinion, with the hope they'll gain the White House on Election Day.

    Now, did anyone find anything refuting the link I provided earlier? That memorandum did come out in July.

    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121001/DEFREG02/310010010/Lockheed-No-Seque...

    -- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 4:40 PM
  • WELL SAID.......NOPE AND I LOOKED......HAVE A GOOD ONE

    -- Posted by lamont on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 6:28 PM
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    Congress should have kept that in mind when they came up with the Budget Control Act.

    -- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:41 PM
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    Dave, maybe I'm just tired but, I'm not sure of your question.

    The part that bothers me is this... "The guidance issued Friday told contractors that if the automatic cuts happen and contractors lay off employees the government will cover certain liability and litigation costs in the event the contractor is later sued because it hadn't provided adequate legal warning to its employees, but only if the contractor abides by the administration's notice and refrains from warning employees now."

    So now, we the taxpayers, are going to have to foot the bill for liability and litigation because they wanted to keep this hush hush and are worried that Obama might lose the state if these mass notices go out.

    Can it get anymore crooked than that?

    -- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:13 PM
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    I just watched the debate, Mike. Holy smokes!!! Obama looked like a child that had been scorned. Do not think for a second that leaders from other countries didn't watch this debate. If they didn't before, they now know that Obama can be pushed around and made to look like a fool. Not at all what we need to see from a LEADER of the greatest country on Earth (as if the last 3 1/2 years wasn't a dead giveaway).

    -- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 1:04 AM
  • I'm sure by today the left-leaning media will be able to come up with some spin on why Obama was so bad. Wait and see.

    -- Posted by skeeter on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 6:57 AM
  • they have. You should have seen the little red-headed girl last night. Her eyes were bright and her smile fixed firmly in place. I am sure that the happy pills helped. She looked like a Moonie trying to convince us that we didn't see what we saw and didn't hear what we heard.

    Believe it or not, Bill Maher was terribly disappointed in Obama's performance. He tweeted that maybe they should have given him a teleprompter. Ed Schultz was disappointed too.

    However, I think that this is just like a poker hand. Obama wanted to look bad so that he could win the next two debates.

    -- Posted by KH Gal on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 7:29 AM
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    KT, Paragraph 5 of the doleta.gov pdf linked above outlines the applicability of the WARN act.

    Here's some guidance that was put out by the Office of Management and Budget. It addresses the litigation issue.

    www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/.../2012/m-12-19.pdf

    -- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 8:47 AM
  • THERE IS NO ATTEMPT TO DISENFRACHISE THE MILITARY VOTE BY THIS ADMINISTRATION.fOR INFO PURPOSES THEY WENT TO BAT IN I think it was ohio to make sure that couldnt happen.lets TELL THE TRUTH OK.We seem to be adding things as we go along,bad mouth all you want but at least be truthfull about it and not exagerate it or lie.

    -- Posted by lamont on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 12:27 PM
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    Looks like this was settled over a month ago.

    Hey lamont. Hope you're doing well.

    "A federal judge sided with the Obama campaign and ruled Friday to order Ohio to restore three days of early voting before Election Day, a decision that could affect the outcome of the 2012 election in a key battleground state.

    Judge Peter C. Economus of the Southern District Court of Ohio granted an injunction in favor of Obama For America, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party, which sued Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted to restore in-person voting in the last weekend before the election.

    "On balance, the right of Ohio voters to vote in person during the last three days prior to Election Day -- a right previously conferred to all voters by the State -- outweighs the State's interest in setting the 6 p.m. Friday deadline," ruled the court. "The burden on Ohio voters' right to participate in the national and statewide election is great, as evidenced by the statistical analysis offered by Plaintiffs and not disputed by Defendants. Moreover, the State fails to articulate a precise, compelling interest in establishing the 6 p.m. Friday deadline as applied to non-UOCAVA [Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act] voters and has failed to evidence any commitment to the 'exception' it rhetorically extended to UOCAVA voters."

    The dispute over military voting spilled into the presidential campaign earlier this month, when the Mitt Romney campaign falsely accused the

    Obama campaign of trying to curtail rights for military voters, characterizing the lawsuit as an "outrage" and an effort to deprive military voters of extra days to vote.

    The Obama campaign lawsuit seeks to expand the voting period for all voters, not to deprive military voters of that opportunity."

    http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/OFA-Opinion.pdf

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/31/ohio-obama-early-voting-lawsuit_n_18218...

    -- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 3:27 PM
  • BUCKSHOT.....MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE SUIT WAS TO ENSURE THAT ALL VOTING WAS REALIGN TO THE WAY IT WAS.......SO IF I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT IS MY FAULT........, BUT DONT TRY TO ACT LIKE SOMEONE TRIED TO DECIEVE JUST TO DECIEVE.That is not the case at all.........Thanks DAVE you got what my understanding was.ZOOK......right on..... they an us hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.I dont think anyone is trying to change voter integrity,but there is definite disenfranchismnent in entire congressional districts ,and that should not be.Are we back into the 1960's?? How anyone can be comfortable with that makes me wonder.

    -- Posted by lamont on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 5:18 PM
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    Buckshot61, It is clear that the RedState piece of work is written with the intent to deceive the reader.

    Others will read, side by side, the Red State article and those resources that I provided the links for. They will compare and contrast the three. And they will come to the conclusion that you cannot comprehend the difference; you have passed on a lie.

    You are now a lying, parroting shill.

    Don't say things that are easily proven wrong. That gets you into trouble on here more often than not.

    -- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 6:47 PM
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    No, you're wrong.

    The Obama campaign lawsuit resulted in the expansion of the voting period for all voters, and did not deprive military voters of any opportunity.

    Anyone can read the proof at:

    http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/lit...

    or, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/31...

    -- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 7:53 PM
  • Why does disagreement require name calling????TO BACK UP TO ACORN is certainly a stretch and you and I can stand anywhere we want with or without a weapon as long as we dont threaten anyone.It never ceases to amaze me how some are so offend when one group does something and when the majority group continues to do the same thing they are not offended.Jerry mandered congressional districts,and voter suppression were sopposed to be stopped in the 60's the fact that it's still being practiced doesnt bother some it would appear.

    The republican party hired someone they knew had had previous problems with voter registration paid them and by doing so sanctioned what they did no one seems to be outraged about that.......why not????In any court of law that would show willfull intent.For them it showed good business sense ....I guess.

    Why does peoples professions become free game for insults here?? aRE WE NOW TO ASSUME THAT IF YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL IN SOME FIELD NOT CONSIDERED SANCTIONED BY THE HOLY CONSERVATIVE THAT YOU ARE LESS THAN???SO I guess we now have to ask permission to comment on certain subjects if you are a....??? and the beat goes on.

    DAVE.....KEEP ON KEEPING ON.........HAVE A GREAT DAY

    -- Posted by lamont on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 10:43 AM
  • Reminder: In Idaho you can vote without a photo ID. They say you have to have a photo ID, but at the polls if you don't have one AND

    If a voter is not able to show an acceptable ID, the voter will be given the option to sign the Personal Identification Affidavit.

    -- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 11:08 AM
  • Lamont:

    I think that they fired the person responsible for that recent incident. Before the election no less, not after like some of the Acorn investigations that went on in 2008-09.

    Again, I will say, voter fraud starts with an individual regardless of party. No one is breaking their arm to go and vote when they know that they are not eligible.

    If you were not born here and have not achieved citizenship status, no one has any business registering you to vote.

    With all of the states having different guidlines and rules, it makes it difficult to monitor everything that goes on. I still believe that a photo ID is the best way to keep error free or fraud free.

    My point is that it is never right to do something dishonest regardless of opportunity or persuasion. It is a sad reflection on how we as a nation have fallen short of the integrity values.

    -- Posted by KH Gal on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 11:18 AM
  • KH GAL.....YOU ARE CORRECT THEY DID,however considering this person had already been investigated for voter fraud why would you hire them to do what the were accused of,THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING THAT'S ALL.I AM NOT AGAINST A NATIONAL ID OR A PHOTO ID FOR VOTING,the issue is the timing if it was so out of whack then this process should have started taking place at least 2 yrs ago. I dont think anyone would have had a problem if it had been started in a more timely manner.THE leadership of ACORN WAS NOT HELD TO TASK FOR WHAT TRANSPIRED BECAUSE IT was proven individuals took upoun themselves based on how they were paid.THE PERSON THE REPUBLICANS HAVE UP FRONT IS THE ceo OF THE COPERATION i THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE,BUT THAT'S ME.

    zOOK.....RIGHT ON..... EVERYTHING HAS BECOME SO ADVERSAREALY THAT HONESTY MEANS NOTHING THE WIN AT ALL COST HAS BECOME COSTLY.We have lost sight of what is important in the whole scheme of things.To even think as we are right this moment is to be considered foolish.I always say you have to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning me personally I like to know it is me looking back.To me we have become so hung up making money we have forgotten how to live.When we look at life based on money we have lost.IT matters how and believe me I have that conversation with my grands all the time im sure you do too........so where brown shoe.....it could be worst........smile........later

    -- Posted by lamont on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 3:34 PM
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    Come on now... all this Obama bashing is not warranted since he was suffering from hypoxia due the mile high altitude that he could not prepare for. It has to be true since Al Gore said so. Guess the military that are deployed to high altitudes can use the lack of being used to it as a reason when they are charged with defending themselves from attacks.

    -- Posted by B Mullen on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 10:08 PM
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    Old guy, I read that too. On the very internet that Al Gore invented. To think he was almost our President hahahahaha.

    I hope everyone has a good weekend :)

    -- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 11:06 PM
  • BUCKSHOT....ARE YOU ARGUING WITH YOURSELF I DIDNT STATE ANYTHING ABOUT THE DESOLUTION OF ACORN,SO i would suggest that you make your accusations to yourself,again twisting a word or sentence to attempt to change what was said.AS far as organizations changing names and continueing to exist nothing new there happens all the time does it not??? Or are we making and exception in the case of acorn.??????So the jest of it is my comment was not erroneous and the fact of acorns exsistense is another subject within itself.you would do better to stop trying to discredit what people have to say and deal with what's said you are not the only person here with a brain.

    -- Posted by lamont on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 12:01 PM
  • Buckshot...your out of context.....just admit it and move on .I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT WETHER THEY EXISTED, YOU WANTED TO BRING THAT IN.no COMEBACK WAS NEEDED SO WHY WOULD IT HAPPEN YOU WANTED A COMEBACK again looking for and argument with someone you consider a liberal it really gets old.My point was the person hired had already been under the gun for voter fraud, why would you hire that person to do that job if your intentions were not suspect.That is the point period.Doesnt require a comeback unless you want to justify there hiring.I'm sure we would all like to hear that.

    I could say you have called enough of us here's intellegince and integrity into question but you would deny that.I would suggest to you that what you may conbsider a lie may be someone elses truth wether you like it or not.YOU consider what you have to say the only things worthy. You have shown us all that you think your better than everyone here so press on.I would say most of us are ignoring your garbage in the name of civilty I know I AM.

    ZOOK......GOT SOME GREAT NEWS SATURDAY.........NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD LIVE LONG ENOUGH.......GREAT YES I SAID GREATGRANPA....I AM TRULY BLESSED HAVE A GREAT SUNDAY......LATER

    -- Posted by lamont on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 8:51 AM
  • NOPE.......made me feel gratefull and honored......I worked real hard at not being here at this age ,just goes to show who knows best.....smile.TIME fly's RACHAEL 22 HECK THIS SON,HER DAD IS 50.NO dont ask........later

    -- Posted by lamont on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 10:10 AM
  • BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT BUCKSHOT IT'S YOUR DIME.I will defend who I wish if you see exsplanations as apology's that's your business after all were not all perfect as you are, living the perfect life,without a mistake who can sit in judgement of others.it's funny you dont ever remember my critercism of the president but that's ok after all your so smart you know what I am thinking before I do,I should only be as smart as you.....ha !!!!!!!!!!THERE YOU GO DOG WHISTLING AGAIN..........DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD????? HOPE SO

    -- Posted by lamont on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 9:15 PM
  • I thought you were "ignoring" me, lamont. Please try to do a better job at that. Thanks.

    -- Posted by Buckshot61 on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 9:45 AM

    Pot calling the kettle black at its best! Thanks for the chuckle, bucky.

    -- Posted by MrMister on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 3:56 PM
  • Oh, you tool you. I was simply referring to your incessant "claim" of ignoring other bloggers, only to come back with a vengeance. Ya know bucky, you're comical in a sense. You just can't figure out which side of the fence to sit on, can ya?

    Do I respond, or do I hold true to my "claim"?

    What a dilemna. Either way, you're still a tool...We both know it.

    -- Posted by MrMister on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 7:41 PM
  • THANKYOU BUCKSHOTT......I WOULD EXPECT NOTHING LESS.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    -- Posted by lamont on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 11:20 AM
  • Probably large bills.

    -- Posted by skeeter on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 6:28 PM
  • Thanks for the essay from Mychal Massie, Buckshot. He wrote succinctly what a lot of Americans are thinking but are too afraid to say.

    -- Posted by Second Wind on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 7:46 PM
  • MY IGNORE IS FOR WHEN YOU START YOUR NAME CALLING.if you had taken what was said in context you would have gotten that.Other than that press on.

    -- Posted by lamont on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 3:40 AM
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    Anyone else notice that MsM has been awfully quiet since the debate and since the numbers have shifted in the polls? Like a little kid pouting because her chewing gum lost it's flavor.

    -- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 11:10 AM
  • Baiting are you KT? Not pouting just been having a lot of sadness lately. Had to put down 2 cats in less then a week which brings the number up to around 10 or more dead cats, some died on their own........ One of them was our cat, that was an indoor cat. Getting ready to say goodbye to my doggie who has had a Brain Tumor since February.

    A friend of ours for over 30 years had a stroke and can't walk or talk... Other things on my mind besides talking politics.

    It's been to sad around here for me to come on here so I can be insulted and called names, just so the insulters can feel good about them selfs.....

    Also been busy giving vaccines to feral cats (the ones we can catch)

    -- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 11:34 AM
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    Well, don't I feel like a butthead, MsM.

    Hope everything starts getting better for you. Even though I joke on ya sometimes, you're still a person and I hate to see anyone in pain.

    Best wishes to ya and hurry up and get things back to normal so we can start going at each other again :)

    -- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 12:22 PM
  • I got a few blogs to write and I will soon be back with the program......... Hope to squeeze the time in between Jury Duty and orders for dog sweaters.

    -- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 6:02 PM
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    Ain't that the truth, Mike. Is it me or does it seem like it's one thing after another with this administration? And still no one does or says anything on the left. Surely they see the same thing we do.

    -- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 10:50 PM
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    Thats easy Mike keep blaming Bush,,,,,Obama just ran into to many bumps in the road as he says....He created alot of pot holes to go along with the bumps so it just made the job bigger and cost more to fix...........Then when the Democratcan'ts loss control of the House then Obama added Congress to the problem as they wouldn't act to pass all his nonsense bills. People keep harping that the Republicancan'ts work with Obama to fix the pot holes then smooth out the bumps..........Obama can't inherit anything cause he hasn't done anything to inherit and take credit for. Being President is NOT a first term ON THE JOB training, who's going to sign off on the training, now we know the American public and none of the training is getting done. Playing golf, vacations, and speeches to the colleges is more important. Like when he started, he said if he couldn't fix things in one term he would be a one term President, so much for that telling the Public he was so good he could fix it and here we set with him running for the second term with still no ideas on fixing this countries mess that he did his share of helping putting so much further in the hole with the debt. But what the heck its only money.

    -- Posted by Eagle_eye on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 10:27 AM
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