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Has a war begun in America???

Posted Saturday, January 28, 2012, at 4:52 AM

A natural born American citizen has been disqualified by a local judge from running for elected office because that person didn't read or speak English well enough to suit the judge. This is NOT fiction!

Does this scare you you? It does me, because it opens the door to other local judges to disqualify other citizens based on what ever law that can be passed.


This link defends the decision. While I admit it has it's points, it glosses over others.


Read and speak English. Sounds very logical doesn't it? Not if your deaf it doesn't, because you need an interpreter. And if your blind, and the documents aren't in brail, you need someone to read them to you. An interpreter if you will. And who decides if the brail and the written documents are exactly the same?

If the state is allowed to micromanage to this extent, how long before this kind of micromanaging becomes national?

What if some other requirement is added that could be used to disqualify YOU from holding office?

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-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Jan 30, 2012, at 1:31 PM

When I lived in Northern Spain for 3 years, I had No choice but to learn Spanish. Not one person spoke English in the little village I lived in. Most of my learning came from my Neighbor, we did a lot of pantomiming when speaking to each other.

The very first word I learned was "FIRE" when my house was on fire. I was saying "FUMAR" I grabbed a spanish man by the arm and took him to my house and he said "NO" Fumar .........."Fugeo"

The European Spanish is different then what they speak in Mexico . They also have different dialects in Spain. My neighbor who taught me Spanish came from the south of Spain. So when I spoke to a Spaniard I was asked where down south I came from. HA!

In Mexico a taco is food right? In Spain it's a Molly Screw.... That was my second lesson is Spanish lol!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Jan 30, 2012, at 9:56 AM

Try learning Russian and a whole new alphabet. Still kicking myself over giving up on that one. I had a mentor when I was in H.S. that could have helped with the whole CIA thing.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Mon, Jan 30, 2012, at 5:34 AM

I tried to take a class on Spanish once years ago. It was being given from a very nice lady from Mexico to a small group of us.

However, no Told me that the class was two days a week and I was only attending one. I was seriously behind on so many levels.

Some of the words have a male and female meaning and pronunciation.

I would be very lost if I had to speak Spanish.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Sun, Jan 29, 2012, at 10:23 PM

Excellent point ROY....english is the hardest to learn.....of the countries I was stationed in the language I found easiest to learn was Japanese the problem arose when I went to Thailand a lot of the words sounded the same but had totally different meanings. One thing that was great there were no curse words, to curse was your tone of voice.( both lanmguages )I MUST ADMIT I didnt put any effort into German I didnt want to be there( poletics) so I kinda didnt care so I didnt learn anymore than I felt I needed.I DID SPEAK THAI AND JAPANESE FLUENTLY....THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO .TOOK French in high school.GOOD BASIC FOR THE ROMANCE LANGUAGES........ Never stayed incountry long enough in Namm.......I AM A FIRM BELIEVER THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY YOUR IN, LEARN TO SPEAK THE LANGUAGE FLUENTLY......LATTER

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Jan 29, 2012, at 6:41 PM

One last comment, observation if you will. In my younger days, I had a rather diverse upbringing. I had many friends of other cultures. Mostly out of curiosity I studied German, French, Spanish and Russian. One thing I learned from my friends that were 1st generation, was that on the whole, English is one of the harder languages to learn. Consider these words. There and their. Sounds exactly the same, but are spelled differently and mean completely different things, I can understand how some of the older legal immigrants didn't learn that much English. Of the four languages I did study, the one I should have stuck with was Russian. I could have ended up with an interesting career with the CIA. My point is that it truly easier for the younger immigrants and 1st generation kids to learn our language.

A question to those of you that spent long tours in other countries, what was your learning experience like when it came to learning the local language?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Jan 29, 2012, at 5:16 PM

And that is where she is going. New story today. She did point out that everyone in that small town speaks Spanish. She is still going to appeal the law, but she is going to English classes.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Jan 29, 2012, at 3:49 PM

BASED ON THE JUDGES EXPLANATION I FEEL HE RULED CORRECTLY......I TO HAVE a problem with what happens when and if we start adding things for qualification.I do think we can broach that as it arises.If this was not a government issue that could affect lives in and emergency situation i would disagree.I admire her need to get involved but to be effective she must be able to communicate EFFECTIVELY to everyone to include those beyond her constituency.....so back to school....That is the way it is.

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Jan 29, 2012, at 2:37 PM

Better yet how about your Doctor not understanding your medical complaint so he chooses to remove your kidney. The basic requirment to make decisions for the people should at a leased be able to comunicate and understand the people she/he is representing.

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Sat, Jan 28, 2012, at 6:55 PM

I try and buy things that don't have overseas call centers. Dell lost me for that reason. If I have a major purchase, I search for the support line and call. Overseas, no sale. Laptops, and software, I deal with it.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Jan 28, 2012, at 12:13 PM

Usually computer support people are in another country. I can remember years ago when I had a compaq Presario and I would call support and get someone over in India. For awhile I would call every day because I had a problem they couldn't even figure out. I never got the same person twice, finally I gave up and quit calling and when I did they called me. lol!

I couldn't make it clear to them that everything they mentioned I had already tried. I know they were in india because I always ask where they are at. I still will do that even if I am calling my cell phone company..

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Jan 28, 2012, at 11:28 AM

Fair enough.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Jan 28, 2012, at 11:15 AM

See, I CAN be nice.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Jan 28, 2012, at 10:42 AM

Buckshot, first, welcome back. I agree that there are issues when it comes to assimilation. The article didn't say if she was 1st generation American or what. When I was growing up, in families where the kids were 1st generation, the parents often spoke very little English and the kids translated. I still see that today.

I guess the point I was trying to make though, shouldn't the voters of that small border town be the ones to decide if they want to elect her? If they don't, then they wont vote for her.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Jan 28, 2012, at 10:40 AM

If folks like US would leave it to the folks in Arizona, the lawsuit would be a LOCAL issue and would get resolved PERIOD.

Once again the basic premise of the Constitution and Bill of Rights....

-- Posted by wh67 on Sat, Jan 28, 2012, at 10:12 AM

Question. Why not leave it in the hands of the PEOPLE? You know, the ones that VOTE. I'm more inclined to support what a different Judge said when it came to a different case.

"This Court is not Congress, not an administrative agency. We are not the first branch of government. We are not the second branch. We're here to consider grievances,"

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Jan 28, 2012, at 9:22 AM

Put me down as FOR the judge as well.

There was a judge in MH for decades that made similar rulings, Roy.

HER name was Jessie........

-- Posted by wh67 on Sat, Jan 28, 2012, at 9:03 AM

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