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Who appointed anyone to judge another?

Posted Tuesday, December 13, 2011, at 5:35 AM

This blog deals  politically, morally and legally with the subject of same sex unions. First a few points to ponder. Anytime the governments permission is required to enter into any type of union, or dissolve it, it becomes a civil contract. I believe this to be a factual statement. I also believe that the only requirement government is allowed to enforce when it comes to civil contracts between 2 people is that they both be of legal age to enter into a civil contract and that there is no coercion involved. In other words, consenting adults. This is a very important point to remember, consenting adults. When one of the parties is deemed to young or have the mental capacity to enter a civil contract, it is forbidden by the state. I hope everyone recognizes the extensive use of the them civil as opposed to religious. Marriage falls into the category of a civil contract, as it requires the consent of a civil court to dissolve said union, it can not be dissolved solely by a member of any clergy. The whole term Marriage belongs in a place of worship and not in civil law. If I've ruffled feathers so far, there's more. Discriminating who can enter a civil contract based on their sex is a bigoted as racial discrimination. I dare anyone to present any factual studies to support such discrimination. So to all of you, I propose this as a solution, those who wish to be joined in a union can go to a judge, county clerk or other recognized lay person and have your contract ratified. Those who wish to have a traditional "Marriage" may go to your local clergy person and have your contract ratified, as long as the contracts are equal in rights. This blog I hope will cause people to think with their mind, rather than emotion.


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SPECIFIC ARTICLE....WITH SPECIFIC COMMENTS SO GET IT STRAIGHT.......AND STATED FOR A REASON ....LIKE I SAID DONT LIKE IT DONT READ IT

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Dec 20, 2011, at 12:31 PM

BUCKSHOT....SO LETS GET IT STRAIGHT IF AND I SAY IF YOU ARE NOT HOMMER ......THEN YOU WOULD NOT KNOW ABOUT THE PREVIOUS CUT AND PASTE AND THE INSULTS THAT WERE THROWN BY THAT PERSON WITH IT.THE POST SEEMS TO BE AND EXACT REPLICA OF THAT ONE. NOW IS THAT COINCIDENCE??????? IF IT IS THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES WHY NOT A DIFFERENCE IN FORMAT ETC.SOMETHING ELSE YOU SEEM TO BE USING THE EXACT TYPE OF INSULTS AND SNIDE REMARKS THAT WERE MADE BEFORE IS THAT COINCIDENCE ????????? the problem then becomes to much coincidence.Was the attack on ROYS picture called for or was that and after thought meant to do what.??????? IT bothers me that you or anyone can ridicule without any for thought or any remorse for no reason what so ever.IS THIS WHAT WE HAVE BECOME AS A SOCIETY OR IS THAT JUST THE WAY IT IS.SOMETIMES ZOOK TALKS ABOUT BACK WHEN AND I GET ON HIM BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES I HAVE TO AGREE DISRESPECT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT???????? I wasnt raised that way and at my age I sure dont like it.

NO BODY'S WEAK IN THERE CONVICTIONS WE JUST GET TIRED OF BEING INSULTED FOR HAVING THEM.wHAT IT SAYS ABOUT ME IS I CAN MAKE A MISTAKE AND I DIDNT ATTACK YOU IF THE SHOE DIDNT FIT DONT WEAR IT.

NOBODY DEBATED THE ARTICLE WITH YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE.SOME OF US HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE ON ALCOHOLISM AND WE DIDNT CARE FOR THE LAST DISCOURSE AND PROBALLY DIDNT FEEL TALKING TO YOU ABOUT IT WAS WORTH OPENING OLD WOUNDS.AS A PERSON WHO WORKED IN THE FIELD FOR 13+ yrs I found the article offensive and counter productive.The implications were that everyone was gaming the system.I for one would be the first to go after people who do that.IT also had political overtones as it seems that those on the right make all human things as being self inflicted.I dont see that as being true in every case concerning humans but that is me.So I hope that clarify's some things.

I DONT THINK I IMPLIED I KNEW YOU THAT WAS AIMED AT CJW I BELIEF BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Dec 19, 2011, at 3:30 PM

CJW ..... I see you think you can insult and demean as you see fit.Now I might not write for a newspaper but the next time you feel like emulating what you would consider a particular vernacular liken yourself to one 0f our more articulate bigots he resides more on forgien lands now but I am sure you keep track.Tag team NO.....WHAT gives you or your buddy the right to attack ROY or anyone on that personal level but you got real insulted when you were attacked at that level.....I am not going were MY FRIEND went but I could without a second thought.I said it once I will say it again you guys want a right wing blog start one and then you can degrade,demean ,insult,make bigoted remarks,use the n word dont be politically correct as you call it, all the things that you want to do without any comment from anyone.YOU dont like what I say or the way I say it dont read it.I dont particully care for some of your garbage but I dont demean,degrade,insulate or attempt to attack you personally, also i dont use a word prosceeor and the paste in. If it is mispelled, mistype I really dont care however if you take that as and indication of my education you would be sorely mistaken.BUT SEE IT ANY WAY YOU WANT BECAUSE YOUR JUDGEMENTS DONT COUNT YOU JUST THINK THEY DO.PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEMSELFES TOGETHER DONT MAKE THOSE KIND OF JUDGEMENTS ABOUT OTHERS THEY DONT KNOW.I DONT NEED A CAVEATE TO ACCEPT PEOPLE.AND I REALLY DONT CARE IF YOUR RIGHT OR LEFT AND THAT MATTERS TO YOU DOESNT IT?????????? DOES YOUR CIVILITY BEGIN AND END THERE???????? I AM JUST NOT A HARD RIGHT WINGER AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM. IF WE ALL SANG THE PARTY LINE YOU WOULD BE FINE.....HOW GOD LIKE YOU SEEM TO BE PROBLEM IS WHO'S GOD??????

FUNNY thing if I agree with ROY, WE ARE TAG TEAMING ,IF YOU AGREE WITH BUCKSHOT ,OR ZOOK,kh gal and some others YOU ARE OK ...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!GO FIGURE...I know it's RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU DONT KNOW ME I SUGGEST YOU SAVE YOUR INSULTS FOR YOUR FRIENDS THEY WILL PROBALLY BE MORE RECEPTIVE.

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Dec 19, 2011, at 12:37 AM

I might not know who everyone is that leaves comments on here, but I know who you are cjw... Merry Christmas to you and your family....

ps we have the same friends :)

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Dec 18, 2011, at 7:38 PM

A simple check of his posting IP vs Homers posting IP will reveal the truth unless he moved or changed service providers. My gut tells me it is Homer. His long copy and paste on minimum wage was the same as Homer's also. Almost seems like he wanted to be discovered.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sat, Dec 17, 2011, at 11:42 AM

THAT CUT AND PASTE is and exact copt of MTN HOMER.....WITH THE SAME ORATORY......it was obvious then as it is now the person knows nothing about alcoholism period.We are back at the premise if you are one it's because you want to be..........That is not even worth gracing with and argument and then to attack ROY ON A VERY PERSONAL LEVEL.....WHO THE HECK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ?????????? HOMMER here we go again..you have been exposing yourself a little at a time for awhile now.but this was the icing on the cake..........so I know you will attack me so go for it.SEE IF YOU CAN CHANGE ANY WORDS SO WE CANT TELL IT'S YOU ....WE ALREADY KNOW YOU GAVE YOURSELF AWAY IN SOME OTHER POSTS YOU JUST CANT HELP YOURSELF,AND YOUR INTENT IS TO INSULT AND OFFEND.......IF WE ARE SO INTELLECTUAL INFERIOR GO PLAY SOME WHERE ELSE.WE DONT NEED YOU TO TEACH US ANYTHING,MATTER OF FACT YOU NEED TO TEACH YOURSELF.

-- Posted by lamont on Sat, Dec 17, 2011, at 10:38 AM

Bonnie, I don't know which is the scariest. When Christian loses control it can become very violent, and the remorse afterwards is heartbreaking. I have held him while he cried and kept saying how sorry he is. The meds help alot, but they don't always do the trick. I wish you the best of luck and prayers go out to both of you.

An update on Christian, he is doing ok in California, but he misses it here. His Mother took him to a Doctor who wanted to change his meds, most likely due to cost. I told her that if I had to I would go to California and deal with things if that's what it would take. The meds have worked very well for the last year, why change them.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 10:29 PM

MrMister, I know exactly who did that copy and paste! I may even let Brenda know of my suspicions. In fact I think I'll do just that! I have been waiting for him to expose himself!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 10:14 PM

No she isn't and I have had first hand experience with Schizophrenia. It can be a scary and painful thing for both the person with the disease and their families.

I didn't say anything about praying things away. I did mention accountability for the choices that you make in life.

My daughter has two types of mental illness; bi-polar and borderline personality disorder.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 9:44 PM

Buckshot61

A complex mixture of genetic and environmental factors influences the risk of the development of alcoholism. Genes that influence the metabolism of alcohol also influence the risk of alcoholism, and may be indicated by a family history of alcoholism.

Bonnie If your daughter is schizophrenic good luck praying that away....

MrMister I know what you mean and I have been thinking the same thing only I can put a finger on the alias

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 9:18 PM

Hmmm, that long copy and paste reminds me of someone, I..just..can't..put..my..finger..on..his..alias.

-- Posted by MrMister on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 8:35 PM

Two thoughts:

We are fearfully and wonderfully made.

The sins of the fathers will be passed down to the 2nd and 3rd Generations. Iniquity is a generational thing. But you can turn things around if you choose to do so.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 8:35 PM

Thank You Roy..... I understand what you are going through........you are not alone, I know many who are challenged every day with your issue. They are or were very caring, loving people.

I am thankful that God gave me my boys because I know it wouldn't of gone over to well with others.

My son didn't grow up to be suicidal, bullied and have to worry about hate crimes, he wanted to be GAY ? Give me a break who would want that??.. He was born that way (just like the Lady GAGA Song) I know I borne him........

For you Bonnie my son didn't choose to be gay anymore then your daughter chose to be mentally ill. You see I have both and I know more about the gays then anyone so far who has chose to leave comments on this subject.

I worry for both of my sons on a daily basis, when I don't hear from them I call, because there is always that fear in me.........

God made us all, and he made my sons !!

Bonnie I'm sorry your daughter chose to be mentally ill :)

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 7:54 PM

To all being born gay is just as factual as being born an alcoholic, a subject I am well acquainted with. This my rant I have saved for people who feel being an alcoholic is a choice. It applies to being an addict or a gay person or a person with any mental illness. Enjoy.

I don't freaking believe it!! Oh well, here goes again.

1) It has been proven WE are wired that way when we are born.

2) If this were a choice, then WE should be put away forever as a danger to society.

My journey into active alcoholism started at age 13.

I finally started my recovery at 59. A choice to live like that? Are you insane?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 7:03 PM

Buckshot, you really should read up on the rules of the Senate.

cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 6:05 PM

Whatever decision that you make as an adult, will be judged on some level either by your peers or by God in the end.

Those choices that you make have an effect on not just yourself, but countless others during your lifetime.

We cannot make it fair for everyone simply because they have lifestyle choices that are different than what has been considered a law both legally and spiritually. The examples have been set into place for centuries.

What we can do and should do is love anyone as God would love them. We love our children, but don't always approve of the choices that they make. The judging will get sorted out in the end. And I imagine everyone will know the truth eventually as their time on this earth ends.

I will be honest and say that I can't wrap my mind around having a child who chooses to be gay, but I would never stop loving them, ever! I have one child who is mentally ill and it is a challenge some days on all levels for her and us.

God doesn't stop loving us, but we grieve Him when we do wrong. He knows what the outcome will be and the unhappiness that follows those wrong choices. He would like to prevent that heartache as much as possible. Thus setting an example and life instructions for our use.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 3:11 PM

Buckshot says the majority rules. Can't have it both ways folks.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 1:09 PM

CJW Your not upsetting me at all. I have been dealing with this issue since he was a little boy.

I don't know all gay boys, however I know my son didn't choose to be gay!

I need to get off here, and get back to making Christmas Gifts. Most of my Gifts are hand made.

I got 2 earflap hats to make today...

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 10:49 AM

Buckshot61 I am undecided about marriage between 2 gays or lesbians because our Government has made this issue confusing. Surprising huh? coming from me a mom who has a gay son!

We now have gay couples who are allowed to adopt children so I'm not sure if they should marry because of the children and if they can't there should be some type of union for the sake of the kids, but I have no idea how it should be done.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 10:40 AM

CJW Of coarse I realize that other people kill themselves. I was talking about young Gay boys not all suicides in general. I have lost many friends because of suicide and I know I don't stand alone.

I'm not saying anymore because you will never understand someone who doesn't think or act like you... you can't see past your own little bubble you live in.

I just know more about the subject then you do, but you want to be right about what you say.......so go ahead and be right while I will know your wrong.

There is many things I could tell you about my son, but its not right for me to do it here on a public forum. I'm thinking your probably around the same age as my son and if you grew up here you most likely went to school with him and if you did then you would know...

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 10:35 AM

And a minority in the Senate block and impede the will of the majority, but that's different I guess.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 10:26 AM

You know you really need to do some research before forming your opinion......Of coarse I wasn't with him every second of the day, nor was I with my other sons every second of the day....

If you knew him you would of seen the difference when he was a little kid....

I suppose those boys that killed themselves really didn't have to go that far, when all they had to do is stop being gay......

Oh and my mentally ill son should of been able to figure it out and become normal

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 9:34 AM

So now your saying even thought I had hands on raising him from the moment he was born that I should believe that he one day decided to be GAY !! Give me a break. I raised 5 boys and I couldn't see any difference between them?

Your comparison is way off!

You have no clue what he went through going to school in Mountain Home...

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 9:10 AM

What about those children who were born gay, grew up gay and when in school were bullied and some committed suicide because of being gay? They were discriminated against to the degree of taking their own life. Gee they had a whole life to look forward to more discrimination, and they chose to become gay......LOL!

Guess what guys I bore a gay son, he came from my womb and he didn't just one day decide to be gay.

You don't think I can see through your ignorant statements?

God must of thought I could handle a lot more then others because he also gave me a Schizophrenic son

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 8:52 AM

You right, going in circles because you have failed to take a clear stance on the discrimination issue.

No right to file joint tax returns.

No right to spousal benefits.

Up here in my end of the valley, denied family membership rates at a taxpayer supported entity.

Difficult if not impossible to adopt.

In some states parental rights terminated because of being gay. That means they took someones child away because the parent is gay.

So one last time, do you support this discrimination Buckshot?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 6:19 AM

Is it a reason to discriminate against them?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 8:52 PM

I already have said that what may or may not have happened between Mr. Cain and other women and may or may not have been done behind his wife's back concerns me not!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 7:09 PM

My answer Buckshot is simple. What goes on between 2 CONSENTING ADULTS is none of our freaking business! Not mine, not yours, nobodies. Is that clear enough?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 6:23 PM

Yeah if Gingrich is the face off guy.I will vote for him! After all he's better then Obama!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 6:08 PM

It's possible that someone can transmit aids without knowning themselves, that they have it. And possibly got it the same way you are describing, Mike. I "get" what you're saying, but Aids is so widespread now, there's no telling how a person got it, or didn't get it.

Be gentle, Sir. We're all God's creations

-- Posted by jessiemiller on Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 9:52 AM

Zook your speaking very ignorant! Any one can get aids....... The disease isn't exclusive to Homosexuals......

You need to read up on the subject before you make ignorant statements.....

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 9:00 AM

My apologies for the title. When I used the term judge, it was in conjunction with using that judgement to justify discrimination. Like I have said before, people are entitled to their opinions on this subject, but their opinions are hardly justification for legalized discrimination. Outside of the title, I believe I stated my case rather concisely.

Last statement, sexual acts between consenting adults is no ones business! Those that choose to bring children and or animals into those acts had best watch out! Have I left any grey areas?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 6:06 AM

Those that feel that way about homosexuality are only ignorant!

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 10:34 PM

I never said people couldn't judge gays. I did say that discriminating against them because they are gay is WRONG!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 9:27 PM

Mike's comments sure does appear to demean same sex couples, or am I wrong in that also?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 8:30 PM

Mike, you seemed to have missed the other possibility I was thinking of.

Buckshot, If I misread your comments and you do in fact full legal rights for same sex couples, I apologize for my statement.

This whole blog was an advocacy for the legal rights of same sex couples. There will always be those same sex couples who will go on and on about wanting to use the word marriage. Let them beat their collective heads against the wall. I will not support them in any way shape or form. Marriage, like I said is a religious ceremony.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 8:28 PM

Funny thing about Adam and Eve. They had 2 sons, one of whom killed the other. No other mention of others being created. I'm no rocket scientist, but it seems to leave only one possibility.

To Mike and Buckshot, sorry, there is no polite way to put this, but just WHO APPOINTED YOU TO JUDGE OTHER HUMAN BEINGS???????

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 7:02 PM

When in doubt make something up !

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 5:58 PM

Roy, I have posted my first one. You tell me what you think.

-- Posted by wh67 on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 3:24 PM

Thanks Warren. Any progress on the blog?

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 5:06 AM

The "real" BettyBowers is a fictional character in a number of satirical videos spoofs written by a man. The link "she" posted starts with a "disclaimer" that is at least an honest assessment of what follows.

-- Posted by wh67 on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 10:00 PM

I don't care what it's called either as long as same sex couples enjoy ALL the same legal privileges and rights as opposite sex couples. And I do mean ALL!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 7:33 PM

BettyBowers, One should be VERY careful when saying marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. That leaves the door open to brother sister, father daughter, mother son. You get my drift.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 6:19 PM

Agrees with fubar

-- Posted by jessiemiller on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 1:50 PM

If a same sex union makes 2 people happy...is it really up to anyone to judge? We all have to live with the choices we make...good or bad...right or wrong. Live and let live. We have much larger problems than same sex marriage.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 10:21 AM

Years ago the dairymen and those making margarine battled that margarine should not look like butter, which ruins the dairymen's income.

Marriage is a word in our vocabulary. It has already been well defined as a union between a man and a woman. I don't care what the same sex people call their union; however the word marriage has already been used. Just like the butter/margarine controversy, they may look alike but they are different.

-- Posted by oldcoot on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 10:02 AM

A marriage in the eyes of the government is a civil contract. If two people love each other no matter what their sex want to get married that can be done without the governments involvment. A committed relationship is a committed relationship. I know a few same sex couples that are married under a commitment cermony. Having the government legalize same sex marriage is so that both parties can enjoy the benifits of any other married couple like benifits from the work place and such. I can fully understand this and also support this. Who are we to judge whether this is right or wrong.

-- Posted by gfhorses on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 8:27 AM

This video shows what it means for traditional marriage to be based off of Biblical principles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszX...

-- Posted by BettyBowers on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 7:23 AM


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I'm an almost 61 year old transplant from California 6 1/2 years ago. I work in road construction, those dastardly flaggers. My family roots go back to New England farms, not the big city. The last town I lived in when in California grew from 16K to 40K in 10 years, and that was enough to drive me out. I don't engage in or tolerate name calling. Name calling reduces an adult discussion to grade school play yard level. I have never served in the military, but have family members who have, dating back to WW1. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I am neither extremely Liberal or Conservative. I am raising my 16 year old grandson, not what I expected at this age, and dealing with those issues as well as my health and near retirement which are 2 things I intend to talk about. I decided to try my hand at this thanks to the warm welcome I have received on Mike's blog. When I take a position, I will defend it until I am shown that I am mistaken, and when that happens, I apologize. There are other things about me that will come out over time I'm sure.