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Victory Mosque or Cultural Ctr?

Posted Wednesday, August 18, 2010, at 12:32 PM

I'm sure that the proposed site to build a mosque/cultural center near the site of the 9/11 tragedy is on many minds these days. The Koran apparently promotes the building of a mosque at the site of a Muslim victory over an "infidel" enemy. There are over a hundred mosques already in use by 800,000 Muslims in New York city alone. Is the proposed mosque/cultural center what the Muslim Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf cites as the purpose of being an avenue to bridge the gap relationally between Muslims and non-Muslims, or is it a symbol of a victory over America?

Personally, I have no problem with it, considering it's two blocks away from "Ground Zero". In addition, the "mosque" is a smaller version than normal as the cultural center is considered the main objective of the building. Also, as I've already stated, there are a hundred mosques already built and in use in New York City, so one could assume that another one is a meaningless symbol at worst of the devastation of 9/11.

As far as the surviving family members of 9/11, there are both those against and those for the proposed mosque/cultural center. If those who support the construction of the building don't see it as any kind of commemorative symbol or even a reminder concerning 9/11, and do see it as the basic Constitutional right of "freedom of religion", why should we oppose it. Do we understand the impact regarding the Constitution if Muslims were not permitted to construct this religious building? Any comments regarding this issue are welcome.


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Hey Frank..............you used to be a pastor.........

If somebody decided to publicly burn a BIBLE, do you think Obama would be so quick to speak out against it?......and would the media be putting the same degree of attention on it as they are with the Koran?

I think NOT. What say you?

-- Posted by bazookaman on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 6:44 AM

You're a musician too? I play lead guitar, what do you play?...........or sing?

We have a LOT in common. I ALSO say "Both sides of the aisle"............which is why I heavily advocate ridding Congress of ALL the incumbents, regardless of party.

What we have NOW............clearly isn't working. If you had a store and some of the employees were stealing from you, you'd FIRE 'em, right?

Well...........every 2nd, 4th and 6th November that rolls around, we get to do just that!

But if we let thieves continue to work for us, when we COULD toss 'em out...............that's clearly a "SHAME ON US" and we'll get exactly what we deserve.

-- Posted by bazookaman on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 6:22 PM

AH....MUSIC......OUR SAVIOR.....SMILE......i think the congress thought thats what we wanted. i think we should have targeted who we needed to and went after them no matter where they were located........poletics played with our kids lives really pissed me off........and that goes for both sides of the aisle.....i think bush did what he thought we wanted......and we wanted revenge........quickly......i think if we had stopped and thought about it we would have done it different.....you know how i know, a lot of generals and admirals got fired for voicing that scenerio....yes our kids and grans will pay.....but to attempt to act as though only one side of the poletics is at fault is a bold face lie.....they all need to take responsibilty......they need to come to some compromises and put some fixes in place.....we dont pay them to fight......i can see that on tv.

have a good jam........i played last night....music is my sanity also.....see we have a lot in common.......see ya

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 12:55 PM

Bush was inept, but for all his faults...........we DID get HIT on his watch, Obama did not.

Wars cost. Why did the Dems in Congress agree to keep funding it when it was not being handled correctly? Congress DOES control the pursestrings.

The president.........ANY president, can't do it by himself. It isn't just US paying the price either.............what's being generated NOW is going to be dropped on our kids and grandkids.

Gotta get to a jam session...............and right now I can USE a few hours of music.

Talk to ya on the flipside, Bro. Have a good one!

-- Posted by bazookaman on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 5:36 PM

sarah palin is not the president......and i dont hear anyone attacking her minor children.....if they are enlighten me .......because if they are they are wrong.......what im saying about the hold ups is this........when the right presents a bill and then when it comes to the floor they vote against there own bill what do you call that?.......the filerbuster was a tool not the law.......the right uses it all the time.......60 votes has become the standard and because of it you slows the process greatly.....all im saying is.....you cant lock step the votes and not call it obstruction.......everything suggested is not bad.......we the people are the ones paying the price for this........when you can side with big oil against your countryman there is something wrong........when you call your countrymen lazy .....and then continue to advocate outsourcing of jobs through tax breaks......thats criminal.......i like making money, we all do, but at some point national allegiance comes into play,or should......thats what this illegal immergration is all about.......and attempt to depress wages through cheap labor. it has been going on for years.........when you get people on both sides of this debate that have advocated one stance and then flipped as it has become politically expedient.......that should tell us a lot....... last but not least......the president took over when the policies of the previous administration was comming to fruition......those policies to include tax cuts etc created a very toxic financial climate,im not sure the president did the right things.....some good, some im sure bad.......i do know that if he had done nothing......that it would have been worst,lets remember that GW turned a surplus into a double deficiet and counting.......the budget doesnt run for one year like yours and mine it is projected across 5,10,20 yrs.....short term gains are usually at they espense of long term stability.....short term GREED put us in this hole we need to remember giants like enron etc.......have a great day

-- Posted by lamont on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 10:32 AM

Nobody in their right mind is going to call for impeachment. Not with Biden and Pelosi next-in-line to take over. And anyway, they don't have the votes at the moment. But no matter how the numbers shake out in November, nobody wants Biden, or anyone else in that circle back there.

Anyway..........impeachment means nothing today. They "Impeached" Bill Clinton, but he was never removed from office, so what did that accomplish?"

Nobody should be attacking wives and children, although that has never stopped the left from going after Sarah Palin & HER family..........even TODAY, a year & a half AFTER the election ended.

The Birmingham bombings were clearly the work of the KKK, who warrant no more respect than these Islamic terrorists.

If you go by what the president said......even the KKK would have that same "legal right" to build a headquarters next to that same church that was bombed............but it would be wrong, and the ensuing anger from the citizens would be just as justified as it is with the intended mosque.

It's not up to US to see to it that the president succeeds. He is currently on his ELEVENTH vacation THIS YEAR........this time at Martha's Vinyard. He spends more time, shooting hoops, playing golf, campaigning for his party members, and vacationing, when he SHOULD start spending some serious time at the desk. Congress is in recess everytime we turn around...........makes me wonder if ANYTHING is getting done, besides sending money to Mexico and suing Arizona.

Actually, a lot of us WOULD prefer to see him succeed, because things are continuing to slide downhill, and we would ALL like to have a little prosperity back. But it needs to be done honestly, openly and correctly.

Do you realize that the Democrats have COMPLETE control in every house, and STILL fight within themselves? The Republicans don't have enough votes to stop ANYTHING, yet they STILL get the blame for "holding things up!"

How do the Republicans pose "some kind of OBSTACLE" when they can't control ANY vote back there? Obama took over with a trillion dollar debt. It is now THIRTEEN and the Dems have done this on their own. They've had TOTAL CONTROL since the inauguration...........so if Obama doesn't "succeed", there is NO WAY our side is behind it............they've had NO SAY.

The problem they're having with the mid-terms, is that they have to explain things to an angry citizenry, with NOBODY to point any fingers at this time, because they've called EVERY SHOT.

True Bro.......there probably ARE some out here who would rather see kids starve than see Obama succeed, but they have no control over that.

The Dems have control, so if Obama doesn't succeed............it ain't OUR fault. We're all just a bunch of little "nobodys" at the moment.

-- Posted by bazookaman on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 9:01 PM

Personally, if I was a New Yorker, I would demand to know where the funding of this mosque is coming from, who the leaders of the group who are doing the organizing are, and why they are so adamant about having the mosque so close to the crater where so many died.

But I am not a New Yorker. Something this sensitive needs to go to a vote, not the fiat of a city planning commission, nor should the opinion of anyone living 3000 miles away, barely touched by the attack have any impact in the final decision.

-- Posted by eccentric orbit on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 7:43 PM

i will say thIS......if this president had done anything against the constituion the right would have already called for impeachment.......and believe me a lot of us know that........me personally i think that there are a lot of cowards out there who hid in plain sight......when you attack wifes and children........and disrepect the office you are saying a lot.......so dont ask for my repect people like that have none comming they are the same type of people who bombed a church in bermingham AND killed 4 children......and then said they were provoked.......but i know that doesnt count because the people it happened to still dont fully count..........right.........presidents do not govern in a vacum........help from the right was needed to right the country.......that help could possibly have gone a long way......the right would rather you and i stavre,lose our home,and anything else we own than to see this president succed.....i dont call that national allegiance........what do you call it......//?????

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 7:37 PM

Just for you, MsMarylin:

Noted Islamic Attacks:

13 March 1993---Bombay India, 250 dead, 700+ injured

24 Dec 1994---Air france Flight 8969, 7 killed including 4 hi-jackers

25 June 1996---Khohar Towers bombing, 20 dead,372 injured

17 Nov 1997---Luxor attack, 68 killed

14 Feb 1998---Tamil Nadu, India---46 dead, 200+ injured

7 Aug 1998---U.S. embassies in Tanzania & Kenya, 224 dead, 4,000+ injured

12 Oct 2000---USS COLE

11 Sep 2001--- (I think we ALL remember THIS one, 3,000 dead

13 Dec 2001---New Delhi suicide bombing, 7 dead, 12 injured

27 Mar 2002---Netanya, Israel, suicide bomber, 30 dead, 133 injured

30 Mar 2002---Hindu Raghuneth Temple, India, 25 killed

7 May 2002---Al-Arbaa, Algeria bombing, 49 dead, 117 injured

24 Sep 2002---machinegun attack on Hindu Temple, Ahmedabad, India, 31 dead, 86 injured

.............PARTIAL list............want the rest of it? We'll be here all night.

All devoted followers of the Koran. Now, what was that about Tim McVeigh?

-- Posted by bazookaman on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 6:02 PM

No.........and it wasn't entirely Tim McVeigh either.

And no.........it was bad enough trying to get around in D.C., without fighting traffic in New York.

Let me get back to you here in a little while............

-- Posted by bazookaman on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 5:06 PM

bazookaman

Since you were so close to NYC on your road trip I presume that you went up there to see Ground Zero and check out where this Mosque is suppose to be built. Get a birds eye view of the area and maybe even get to meet a couple Muslims and report back to us your experience there. So how was it?

Was it a Muslim who bombed the Alfred P Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City? Refresh my memory please

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 10:07 AM

Lamont.

Think a minute at what you just said.

Since WHEN............did THIS president become concerned with a Constitution that he and his cohorts in Congress have essentially TRASHED since DAY ONE......................and only USE it when it might be CONVENIENT to DO so.

And Franco...........it's WRONG to build a Muslim Mosque right next door to the very site of the Twin Towers.

Dude, it wasn''t a group of IRISHMEN who flew those airplanes into those buildings, and a lot of New Yorkers in particular find it offensive.

Oops........I forgot.......AMERICANS aren't ALLOWED to be offended................only foreigners and illegals can be "offended."

That's ok though. November's coming and this is VERY fresh in the minds of the voters, who already have issues with INCUMBENTS. It'll play out ok.

-- Posted by bazookaman on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 8:50 AM

99.9 percent of Muslims are not terrorists but 99.9 percent of terrorists are Muslim. To ignore the current, year after year attack on US citizens by people who are from different countrys, are of different races but are bound by a religion is just plain stupid.

Most Muslims aren't terrorists but vertually all terrorists ARE Muslims. Having said that I completely agree that they have the right to build there. I question their motives in their desire to build there. Especially given the push back they have encountered. My brother citizens motives are questionable and divisive.

-- Posted by AtomicDog on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 8:22 AM

thanks frank......the religion did not attack the trade centers people did.....the president swore and oath and he is living up to it his statement supports the 1 st ammendment thats what he has to do.....and boozkamans implication of national traitors in itself is sedition.......they have the legal right......now with that said......has anyone given any thought how tryany starts,,,,when you start denying rights to any one group in a society based on any one given thing,the question then becomes who is next? based on what?that leaves everyone in the society funerable....and the society without order....what i hear being advocated is the same crape we used in ww2,and the nazi used inww2 and the japenesse in ww2....didnt we learn anything?....you cannot make the constituion for some americans and not for all.....are we trying to turn america into what south africa was??? i for one wore a uniform for all americans not some, all.....i would say some people need to remember that.......and i lost 2 friends in the trade center,i am a native born new yorker,but more than that i am and american.....and seeing how it is not at ground zero as it has been made out to be, again the facts are twisted to suit....get off the muslim thing and get on the terrorist thing,and i wouldnt care what religion they are. a terrorist is a terrorist we dont need to single out there religion,its funny zealots always seem to have some religious context to ther madness from the crusades to modern days to include segragation in america.....for you see the klu klux clan fits the definition of terrorists i dont see anyone getting to exited about them?? i wonder why?????? what say you zook........

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 5:42 AM

I already had my say on this subject at:

http://bondyweb.com/uncategoized-news-ar...

-- Posted by bondyweb on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 11:26 PM

How could a President, who took an oath to uphold the Constitution, come out against the construction of the mosque/cultural center? That would be in direct opposition of the First Amendment. In addition, the building two blocks away from the 9/11 site. These people were not those who perpetrated the attack on the World Trade Center. Do we not understand the possible consequences of bypassing the First Amendment because of a religious preference?

As already stated, there are already over a hundred mosques in New York City servicing 800,000 Muslims. Will one more affect the situation considering that it's not on the site of 9/11.

-- Posted by Franco8274 on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 9:19 AM

It's more a matter of common decency than anything else.

Allowing this Mosque to be built at Ground Zero would be akin to allowing Japanese citizens to build a temple honoring Kamikaze pilots at Pearl Harbor.

Common decency.

Question..........WHO are the surviving family members of 9/11, who are FOR this? I can't imagine ANYONE losing a family member or friend at 9/11, would go along with this degredation.

One GOOD thing has come out of this, though...........Obama's SUPPORT for it! 68 days before the mid-terms and the Dems already in trouble as it is.

Even the idiot Reid had sense enough to pull away from Obama on this one-------not out of any sense of decency, but because he KNOWS how an already-enraged voting public is going to react to national traitors.

-- Posted by bazookaman on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 8:37 PM


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