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Gun Control Obama Style Via "Executive Order"---If Ya Can't Beat Em Then By All Means Back Door Em!Posted Tuesday, January 15, 2013, at 4:59 AM
Addressing a question about recent spikes in gun sales, Obama blamed pro-gun groups for "ginning up fear" among firearm owners. "Those of us who look at this problem have repeatedly said that responsible gun owners -- people who have a gun for protection, for hunting, for sportsmanship - they don't have anything to worry about," he said. "The issue here is not whether or not we believe in the Second Amendment. The issue is are there some sensible steps that we can take to make sure that somebody like the individual in Newtown can't walk into a school and gun down a bunch of children in a shockingly rapid fashion." -----And what you are unable to get done through the Senate and Congress, just "fix" by Executive Order! Because we ALL know that guns killed all of those people in Newtown. Never mind that people knew "there was something wrong" with the shooter but CHOSE to do nothing. Never mind that an unstable person should not have been able to get their hands on firearms that were LEGALLY obtained. Never mind that these parents knew something was not right with their son but CHOSE to deal with the problem by not dealing with the problem. Never mind that this young man went into this school INTENT on killing as many people as he could with MANY guns and a bunch of ammo. Never mind that it was not even an assault weapon that killed all of these people. The weapon of choice for killing is a 9mm! If you are the only person with a gun in a room full of people and enter that room intent on killing---that is what you will do regardless of laws. People need to be held accountable! People are killed by stupidity each and every day in this country. Make that illegal (stupidity) and it will all fall into place. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Some of the states with the toughest "gun control" have the highest death rates by people with guns. You would think that would be a hint/clue that "gun control" will not work because the criminals will ALWAYS have/find guns.
Yes, let us worry about the "things that matter" (in the words of another poster) like jobs, the economy and how we plan to pay off the debt created by none other than Obama himself. With all of this "gun control" we lose a key ingredient to population control. Just another way of looking at the situation. Night y'all!
What can we do to hold the Lanza's accountable?
Yes, mental health checks for everyone running our country too. They seem to be suffering from a type of narcissic syndrome.
We the People have become we the uneducated, unreasonable people in their eyes.
There seems to be a magic show going on and several of the performers are very sucessful in keeping people's attention away from the real issues, like their spending. The attendants are the media who purposely post stories to keep the illusions going.
We had a our chance to let those who work for us know that we aren't taking it anymore, but blew it.
This hasn't been about guns, debt or poor legislation. Instead, what we have seen is a slow moving mud-slide destroying everything that we hold dear in its path.
I've read this a couple of times and I'm not sure what the author favors.
It seems to advocate a hands off approach.
Do nothing?
Well, lets see. How do we make parents of mentally ill or mentally impaired children or young adults accountable? How about the same mandate as what people who have young children in a house have? Trigger locks? Lock boxes? Gun safe?
Perhaps had those guns been locked up where this person could not get at them, this event would have never taken place. Perhaps if his mental illness had been dealt with, this event would have never taken place. Guess we will never know. Maybe if people were forced to pay for their stupidity (damages to all of these people), they would take more care in how they decide to deal/not deal with their children. I hold those parents 100% accountable for those shootings.
I do know one thing...the fact that Mr. Lanza did what he did was certainly not my fault but now we will all pay the price in the name of "gun control."
What a bunch of CRAP. KH, I agree with you 100%. We are going to gut this country before it is all said and done. Then everyone can stand around and say "who knew?" Or, "how did that happen...I did not even know that was going on."
Ignorance is bliss or so the saying goes.
Mandate? What mandate?
"How do we make... "
Make?
How shall we be made to comply? How shall compliance be assured? Shall we be expected to let the Fed in the door at any time to allow for compliance inspection? If we're not in compliance shall that be justification for seizure or forfeiture?
Would any of us be willing to consent to a mental health evaluation of all minor members of our households? Is there a better way to assess a person in order to determine whether there is a likelihood that they may become irrationally violent at any moment? Clearly, family members cannot objectively evaluate their loved ones.
And if we don't consent shall we forfeit our 2nd amendment rights?
Trevor,
Stop making so much sense. We can't have this reasoning garbage going on here. Next thing you know, you will be telling us that we can't be taxed into prosperity.
At a minimum, we owe it to ourselves, the victims and their families to base any dialog on factual data. And there is very little of that available.
The last official statement from the Connecticut State Police (the lead investigative agency) is dated January 4, 2013 and simply notes that there is no additional information "available".
For Patrick_A :
http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?A=4...
Stand before the crowds of people who have lost a loved one to mass murderer's and say "we aren't going to do a thing about violence in America, we will pray it will end soon".
Keys to gun lockers can be found, there is no such thing as a safe gun locker.
Schizophrenics hear voices from within their brain and there is no cure for schizophrenia. They hallucinate and become delusional. Medication keeps them calm
This is a very good article about Schizophrenia, its easy to read
http://www.sharonlbegley.com/the-schizop...
Trevor, wh67,
I agree.
Good reference MsMarylin. Thanks.
I heard that Members of the House read The Constitution aloud today.
I always thought it would be best if they began with the original, unamended version, and then after some pause for reflection, returned to read the amendments.
Maybe they'd see that there were some compromises made in the past.
MSM,
I agree that mental health is a major part in this issue. The questions is how would it relate to preventing mass violence with a gun or otherwise? Do we require every person who wants to purchase a firearm, drive a car, or buy fertilizer to see a psychiatrist? And who will we hold accountable the next time this happens and the perpetrator wasnt' identified as mentally ill? I think that addressing mental health is should be a top priority but it's only one part of the solution.
The President has stated that if there is one thing that can be done that would save one life we should do it (not sure of the exact wording, might has said consider it). But the one suggestion that has been offered that would have immediate effect he seems to have dismissed. Wayne LaPierre suggested that we have security guards in every school. Don't get me wrong I am not a big fan of the NRA (even though I am a gun owner)nor any other lobbiest. But I do believe that a security person lilely would have saved at least one life and possibly many more at Sandy Hook.
And just a couple of hours ago, the President's press secretary stated that Obama would present "concrete" proposals at a White House "event" while surrounded by children and their parents who had written him about guns and school safety in the days following Sandy Hook.
Is there nothing that this administration WILL NOT DO in order to leverage a crisis?
Not all "gun lockers" have keys---some require combos, keys or both. If you have/had a mentally ill child in your home why would you:
1. Have a gun/guns in the house that is/are unsecured?
2. Have a gun/guns in the house and ammo in the house unsecured?
If I had anyone in my house that heard voices...the last thing I would have available to that person is a gun. There is always an excuse.
Deal with the economy, debt or lack of jobs in this country (re: wh67's question at 1:01 p.m.).
Why deal with that when you can create your own media circus and put laws in place that will do NOTHING to help people. Lip service. If I did not know any better I would think he was up for a third term!
I wiped out my comment by mistake. Mentally ill people will manufacture their own weapons if they want to do harm to themselves or others.
I know this to be true with my own experience.
Next: What needs to be controlled are the people who have unlimited access to our living rooms every night. Media, Celebrities and their self-righteous blather. All the while hiring body guards, enjoying security measures in the buildings that they work in.
Treatment services for those who are mentally ill need to be changed. Too many times, the system lets these people down by some type of red-tape. Medicating and release does not work. Nor does the fact that most doctors aren't interested in sucessfully treating an illness because the pay-out for medicare and other low income programs is a pittance.
Families of the mentally ill need to be heard from in treatment care. They are the ones who see all the dangers first hand.
I wonder what would happen if we started our own media network called We The People, where common sense prevails and stupid gets stopped at the door.
I guess OM that's why they are trying to control guns better, people are sick of excuses in this country.
TundraRat theres no certain answer and no quick fixes concerning gun violence in our country. Usually when a Schizophrenic has their first episode, there is no warning signs and that first time he or she could be violent.
I think there should be trained security at every school door in America. Are children are not safe in this country.
I have been diagnosed with PTSD from events that occured during my years of serving in the military. When this rolls out, I will probably never be able to buy a gun again. I am not crazy, I will never be a mass murderer and I am certainly a responsible gun owner. There are hundreds of thousands of veterans, both on active duty and seperated, just like me who will be put in the same situation.
MSM,
Not to be argumentative here but based on your comment about the first episode coming on without warning. What can be done to prevent this from happening?
Hey,
KH count me in too! How do we get this network started?
TundraRat
I don't have an answer Here are some warning signs however they weren't there when my son had his first episode.
Isolation and withdrawal
Loss of interest in friends
Declining self-care/hygiene
Lack of motivation
As you can see the warning signs could fit anyone under stress or depression without being a schizophrenic
Which by the way he is also bipolar and his wife is a schizophrenic and they don't have similar episodes of schizophrenia
Patrick A
I was listing examples of hypocrisy. Take it for what is is. My blather doesn't get to make public service announcements, movies or video games.
Nor am I a guest on a talk show or a news anchor who puts their opinion ahead of reporting the news or facts with objectivity.
KHGal
Wouldnt you just love to be a tv personality, then you could go to the inauguration?
I haven't seen hide nor hair of zook on the blogs lately and to think about it nor have I seen any posts from Hope4 America for a couple days either, do you suppose this is where they ran off to?
http://www.inquisitr.com/480605/the-cita...
Here's the web site's application. I think the fee is $208. to submit the application.
http://www.iiicitadel.com/apply.html
The text of the NY Gun Control legislation signed into law earlier this afternoon:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/...
I skimmed it briefly and it is pretty extensive, but it does contain provisions that allow for the confiscation and destruction of personal weapons as well as requiring mental health professionals to report personal information to the state in certain cases.
I can see the ACLU challenging the mental health reporting requirements as invasions of privacy. I am certain the gun owners will mount challenges as well.
Sorry Patrick_A, background checks do not root out left or right leanings, much less extremes.
Speaking of extremes, this Oregon news story might be considered extreme I suppose:
http://albany.kval.com/news/politics/261...
Interesting episode of Frontline tonight.
Just to add a bit to the mental health discussion, I am going to tell a bit about a young lady I know. She does not suffer from mental illness, but impairment. She is an adult living with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. To help you understand her capacity, she told me a few weeks ago that she had a fever because her temperature was 70 degrees.
Anyway, she has a baby. Never should have happened, but it did. She does not have custody, however she is fighting for it. She has lawyers for this. Fine. She also works with a group here in town (can't recall the name) and those folks help her with things like rent and finance management. (she does receive benefits due to her condition and works a very part time job) So she has these people who help her. However, probably because of our hands-off PC society, nobody helps her with decisions regarding right and wrong. She is old enough (chronologically) to go to bars and she often makes questionable decisions about where to spend the night. She sees nothing wrong with this, and does not understand when others try to tell her that, even if we do not talk about it being right or wrong, it is still not a healthy and proper way to take care of yourself.
The point is that we cannot address any type of mental health issue without addressing right and wrong with it. We have become a society afraid to talk about that because we are "supposed" to be tolerant of everything different from our own individual view.
That's my rant.
Patrick, Frontline is on PBS, this episode covers President Obama's first term.
Patrick A:
I am not a hard leaning right wing person nor do I lean left.
I am not whining about who has what opportunities and who doesn't only the hypocrisy of those who could take their funds and TV time to provide a public service worth having. The massive amount of money spent to convince a voter that a candidate is the "One" could have been used to pay a substanial amount of debt, or provided other services that otherwise may have been cut from charities due to the turn in the economy.
There is a thing called stewardship and it is sadly lacking on all levels of society today. Stewardship doesn't just exist for monetary reasons, but moral ones too.
Accountability is another missing element from our society. If you can spin it or brazen it out long enough, people forget that you were ever in trouble. They praise those who "conquer" drugs, alcohol and other issues, but fail to congratulate those who really try to make a difference in the world.
Have a nice day. I won't be posting any more comments for this blog. Nor will I attend an inaugaration. I wouldn't want to regardless of who was elected president.
RE: NY Gun Law
The main problem I have with the law is the extent that the measure defines and restricts the gun related portions while leaving the mental health side undefined and without consequence.
For example, a gun owner is mandated to report the loss or theft of ammunition within 24 hours after discovery while the mental health professional is allowed to report at his/her convenience. The penalty on the gun owner is a misdemeanor charge (at minimum) and there is no penalty at all for the medico.
Given that the majority of recent cases involve mentally unstable offenders, I would think that prompt reporting would be extremely desirable. And since the mental health profession has it's own licensing and practice standards, a misdemeanor penalty would provide an added incentive to comply and bring the two sides of the problem into a more balanced status.
RE: Oregon Sheriff's letter
I don't find it particularly extreme. It clearly states his position to uphold the Constitution (as his oath of office requires)for the immediate future. Should his constituents disagree, he will pay that price in the next election cycle.
Yep!
Where's the part that says they're going to swoop in and take our guns?
The only thing I see regarding seizure relates to the fifth item on the list, "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."
I have noted that this addresses R E T U R N I N G a seized gun.
Why would a group so bent on seizure of our guns waste our time developing new rules to help law enforcement return a seized weapon.
Since when is it appropriate for law enforcement to render decisions on the Constitutionality of the laws they uphold? Any questions regarding Constitutionality are answered by a different group of professionals.
What I DON'T see anywhere on the list are provisions to provide "we the people" with access to the data that currently exists, that is to be shared and has previously been collected but is inherently comparmentalized in the multitude of federal datbases.
How are stakeholders on either side going to enter into a meaningful dialog without that?
I will express this concern to my elected representatives and encourage all to do the same.
Good point wh67.
Patrick_A,
My interest is purely with the data itself. I have no interest in my neighbor's gun ownership (or lack thereof for that matter).
However, I have made a number (perhaps 20 or so) of "over the counter" gun purchases in the past 45 years. Since 1968, each of those purchases required the completion of a FFL 4473 or its equivalent. Of those purchases, I still own four, one was stolen, one was given to a friend's son on his 12th birthday, and the rest were sold privately.
Unfortunately, that renders the ONLY known record of those 20 or so weapons invalid.
As the saying goes, garbage in garbage out.
Trevor,
While there may be no fire, there is plenty of smoke and a lot of folks blowing on the ember. And there are a lot of folks that are failing to see the bevy of mirrors.
"Keys to gun lockers can be found, there is no such thing as a safe gun locker." From MSM
My gun safes and a lot of other safes/lockers or whatever YOU choose to call them do not use keys.
"Others will go ahead and break the law so the problem isn't eliminated..."
I couldn't have said it better.
Have a good one.
Operator error. to continue:
"but because (Warren) didn't break the law the problem was reduced."
The "problem" has existed for all of recorded history and has little to do with the rule of law.
But risk mitigation can be part of a solution.
Codified electrical standards reduce bring associated risks to an acceptable level, but don't completely eliminate the risk. But we still make an effort to minimize the risk.
I believe we can use the same approach here.
Patrick_A,
I couldn't agree more with your last statement. On the other hand, the existence of evil in humans is well documented.
Dave,
Do you have any power strips or extension cords in your home of office? Did you know that those items are the leading cause of some 26,000 serious home fires annually in the US? Would you say an incident rate of 26,000 (out of a hundred million or more) is an "acceptable" risk level that does not require banning the sale of extension cords?
If so, could it be that the 300 or so deaths linked to assualt rifles with high capacity magazines rerpesents and equal (though more emotional) threshold?
to all, I am firmly in favor of a dialog on gun control, but I staunchly believe that there are two facts that are unavoidable.
First, evil exists.
Second, perfection is not attainable.
wh67, I agree there. My point was we'll all benefit if we're always looking for ways to improve, and then we must act on what we find.
There have been/are perfectly evil people out there. That's one of the reasons I'm packing heat.
Due process? Supreme Court? Nah!
We'll just wing it.
Let the guys on the street decide what's enforceable.
The new things obama signed yesterday are meaningless. Before research or any of these things can be done they have to be funded. Who is going to pay for these things? Everyone forgets that Congress would have to approve any money to fund these ideas the "great leader" has made with his mighty pen. I also find it a bit humorous that he specificly states that the "AG" has to do anything when it comes to gun control after the "fast and furious" events that happened under this AG's watch.
United States v. Miller?
"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/...
Or,
Http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
The President made some recommendations and called on Congress to act. The fruits of their labor (if they choose to act) will be subject to Constitutional review just like the Miller and Harris cases.
Right?
That'd be Heller not Harris.
Just noticed the link to Heller was no good. Here it is again.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07p...
And Wayne is at it again. At least have the brass ones to admit who you are. These imaginary conversations between 2 people who are the same person are growing old.
Were these guys law abiding gun owners before they robbed the bank?
At what point in the commission of the described crime did they become unlawful gun owners?
This story is from 1997. I don't see any connection with the subject...other than it was a crime committed with a gun.
Post it on an open forum and I'll ask a question or make a comment.
I don't mind if you don't respond.
STOP IT!!
How about them Bears!
Washington state's legalization of marijuana may find itself in conflict with Federal supremacy.
Just gonna have to wait to see how that pans out.
Another recent event comes to light:
http://www.utahsheriffs.org/USA-Home_fil...
Copied and pasted
The legal basis for nullification is the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution which provides that the powers not delegated to the federal government generally belong to the states or to the citizens. But the Tenth Amendment does not answer one very important question: who gets to decide whether a particular power was or was not delegated to the federal government?
I understand Patrick
Here's where I got my info from
http://legallad.quickanddirtytips.com/ca...
Patrick_A, I can assure you that I am equally frustrated with people that jump to conclusions and make outlandish and unwarranted statements.
For example, there are 29 counties in Utah and 28 of the 29 county sheriffs' names are indeed on the letter I referenced.
Further, the letter makes no mention of taking guns, (nor did I) but simply and strongly states that these men do not support taking away rights granted by the 2nd Amendment.
Further, the letter was dated January 17, 2013.
I'd say that is RECENT!!
If you want to make statements about the shortcomings or short-sightedness of conservatives who post opinions here, you might want to take a close look at your own mirror.
The image I'm seeing isn't all that shiny.
If marijuana pharmacists are convicted in violation of federal drug laws, in spite of the fact that the state they are operating in has given the thumbs up to the legalization of marijuana, would those pharmacists surrender their Second Amendment rights?
If an individual in this state were convicted of violating federal marijuana laws, would that individual surrender their Second Amendment rights?
A third conviction for possession would result in forfeiture of second amendment rights, as it carries a minimum sentence of more than two years.
Conviction for sale or cultivation would result in forfeiture on the first offense.
At least that's how I understand it.
First bullet on the list of reasons for denial of a firearm purchase from:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/ge...
"A person who has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year or any state offense classified by the state as a misdemeanor and is punishable by a term of imprisonment of more than two years."
I'm not all that sure myself. It looks to me like it depends on who makes the arrest as to exactly which sentence would apply. And I suspect the plea bargaining/final outcome could apply.
Not to muddy the waters, at one time, muzzle loaders and other primative weapons (cross bows, compound bows, etc.) were legal, even for felons I think? And I know firearms made before a certain date don't fall under federal firearms laws because they're considered antiques. But I've seen references that say anything that "shoots a projectile" is fair game in some jurisdictions.
I got an e-mail this afternoon that made a good argument.
Not having a gun when you need it is a lot like not having a parachute when you need it. There's a good chance you won't ever need one again.
"Never mind that people knew "there was something wrong" with the shooter but CHOSE to do nothing. Never mind that an unstable person should not have been able to get their hands on firearms that were LEGALLY obtained. Never mind that these parents knew something was not right with their son but CHOSE to deal with the problem by not dealing with the problem."
OM: 1) Could you please clarify what you know about how the Lanza's 'dealt' with their child's mental health condition, if that is in fact what you were referring to in your blog? If so, what 'problem' do you suggest they ignored? His mental health? Or the risk of keeping firearms in the home with an unstable resident? ...or if I am missing the problem entirely?
2) Do you suggest the Lanza family ought not be afforded the right to bear arms because of their son's condition, whatever it may be?
3) Would you be a proponent for an increase in mental health resources/education for parents/families of young at risk people? People like Liza Long's son of Boise whose blog post received a lot of attention after Newtown. That blog post in-case you have not seen it: http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanza...
Yes yoB, I had seen and read this shortly after it was posted. Thank you. The difference with this mom vs. Ms. Lanza is that she is DEALING with her son's mental illness. She is not attempting to hide behind being the "perfect" family. You are attempting to compare apples to oranges here.
Wayne, the answer to your question is YES! A very loud YES! I "lack empathy" remember. Funny from the mouth of a total sociopath and degenerate.
The problem with society today is that few are accountable. It is always the fault of another---or some "system" that has failed. Sure, we can blame it on crappy healthcare in the area of mental health. Sure we can blame it on a lack of insurance coverage for extended stays in a facility. Lack of money for meds, etc. There are all kinds of reasons---true or not.
People these days have little respect. We live in a society where most everything is EXPECTED. People are "ENTITLED." We are "owed" this and that. What a bunch of pooh-pooh! Trevor, nice try you psycho regarding the guns/ammo in my house when I was a child. These things were not "lying around the house" as you stated. These things were in my parents master bedroom---where kids were not free to just help themselves to what was there. Back then, we had respect for rules and our parents. I would have NEVER gone into my parents bedroom to play with any gun because that would have been followed up with one heck of a butt beating with a leather belt. It was just better to follow the rules and skip the wrath/disappointment.
"Fascinating." Really and truly "fascinating." You need to get bucked right off your "high horse" and get back to reality. You are one sick individual. Conversations with yourself on a daily basis. How sad. Does it make you feel better than the rest of us? Since many of us on here are so stupid and misguided---why waste your time with us? Why not just move on or do your own blog?
And here it goes. The profanity is about to come out soon. He can't help himself. Sick, degenerate, psycho, sociopath. Handsome chap...lol. What a hoot. You can stop sending me emails, I do not open them. I simply hit delete.
You got anything you can do to get to the bottom of this Manti Te'o thing? I'm tired of hearing about it.
I just started posting opposing and sometimes concurring points of view.
Four years ago.
I'm as likely to leave here as I am likely to give up my guns in the unlikely event the feds come to confiscate my guns.
H4A, of the 8 or so posts you've made on this thread, your concern about Wayne is referenced in five of them. None of those five posts addresses the subject of the blog.
Why does everyone who disagrees (or even agrees with you, i.e. twilcox1978) turn in to Wayne?
"Why does every girl that I go out with become my mother in the end?"
I'm sure a grown man (or woman) needs no encouragement from me before posting on an obscure blog. No more than you're encouraged by boohoozookaman or OM.
If we all stop reading each others posts, how will we know if we agree or not?
Nah. No ambulance chasing for me.
It's tax season.
Yours are in order?
PATRICK A...... loved that piece from bernard shaw.....IT doesnt require thought to be self contained. ......have a good one
Hey lamont! Hope you're doing well!
I heard that Manti Te'o once had a broken fan belt..... and Holder KNEW about it. But the "anointed one" sealed the information with another EXECUTIVE ORDER.
MsM:
I thought my words:
..."The problem with society today is that few are accountable."...
were pretty clear. I left it general---SOCIETY (as a whole) and did not single out a specific group. Why pick a fight where there is no fight?
LAMONT: I heard recently that you are not well. I sure hope that they are taking good care of you and that you will be well soon. While we may not agree on things, I certainly would not wish you to be ill with what I have heard you have. Take care of yourself and try to stay away from the flu. Get well soon. Glad to see that you are feeling well enough to check in here and there.
I miss Buckshot, CJW, Scoutin, etc. They were always the bright spot in my day...and "Hope for America." Proof that there is still some common sense out there and true Americans.
Thank you Hope. Yet another bright spot in the day:).
WOW ! H4A/? You sure are someone special! You need to take an anger management class along with your other 2 selfs.....
OM I don't know how you figured I was trying to start a fight when I ask you a question. I was asking because I wanted to understand what you were saying before I comment on your statement.
Are you saying society is making excuses for mentally insane criminals? Excuses like you listed below.....
It is always the fault of another---or some "system" that has failed. Sure, we can blame it on crappy healthcare in the area of mental health. Sure we can blame it on a lack of insurance coverage for extended stays in a facility. Lack of money for meds, etc. There are all kinds of reasons---true or not.
H4A/? Democrats aren't angry.............They won the ELECTION!
Thank God we still have Congress! As worthless as they are at least is not under the control of the dumborats. May have "won" the election...but not the war.
OM Since you didn't answer my last comment. I will take that to mean you think society makes excuses for the mentally ill, be it inadequate Mental Health Care, or Insurance Coverage or even meds . They are not excuses they are facts. I'm not saying an insane person should go unpunished, I am saying cuts in Mental Health Programs have put insane people out on the street. This is true not an excuse its a fact. Most Insurance Companys don't even give you enough money for a 3 stay in a mental hospital. When the insurance runs out they release them from the hospital still insane. Read the 2012 legislation issues
http://www.nami.org/MSTemplate.cfm?Secti...
H4A Try as you may your insults slide right off my back, I know what your up to... Try it on someone else.
Oh that is rich! The person who has conversations with himself speaks of others "splitting" and the "crazies." ROTFLMAO!
Hey Psycho:
In order to post on here...you can say you are anyone you want and you can say you live anywhere you want. So that PROVES nada. The only people they check out (as far as who people are and confirm that) is to write a blog on/for the MHN. So you could be Charles Manson and say you were Hillary Clinton. Brenda does not check such things out. But then you know all that because you are the 7 faces of Eve/Wayne/Trevor, etc.
And the fact that you read such "drivel" and continue to come back for more and more and more and more proves just how much you really ADORE and APPRECIATE the "drivel." Being so involved on here probably keeps you from creating mayhem on the streets of wherever you claim to be from today. You fool nobody. Have a great day. I am off for some much needed target practice. Good day.
Maybe not such a bad start to the day afterall there Hope! I am doing target set up now. Maybe Zook and Crew will even be out today. Sun is up. Going to be a good one! Take care Hope! Zook, where are ya?!?!
Full text of Sen. Feinstein's proposal:
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/i...
Great post wh67, thank you. I myself am now on a mission to find at least 2 of the "weapons of mass destruction" on that list. Because this is just the start of the master plan. While it is legal to buy em---I plan to do so. Thanks for the info! Very nice.
looks like the storm has passed
Yes WinterStorm, it would appear so.
Trev/Bronco Tommy---whatever, here is your proper send off. Good tune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMElCWks1...
Plays up to my total lack of "empathy" in your eyes. Trust me when I say that Hope is not likely to miss you. Buh bye now.
Now the storm has passed the vicious dogs still have patrick to attack....... Bite Bite Bite such entertainment on MHN Pulitzer Prize?
I read the bill it was packed full
wonder how long it took them to get it done
Seriously ~hope4america~ no way
"Jackbooted government thugs have formed a secret society that plans to ban private property and turn it over to the collective. They don't want it to be We the People anymore. They want it to be We the Pot-Smoking Granny-Euthanizing Marxist Nazi Weasels. -- Glenn Beck
OUR PITFILL LIVES,.....I WOULD suggest that the truth be heard and told in all 3 of your cited examples of unamercanism,assault wepons,f-16'S.THE conservatives thought the elections would be one way in eygpt and it didnt turn out that way now like our elections you are mad and want to pass blame and find fault with every diplomatic moved that has been made.The republicans cut the funds for embassy security and insisted that it be subcontracted to private firms.....when it doesnt work out they say we didnt do anything .Stop it....... mistakes are made.I PERSONALLY GET A LITTLE TIRED OF THE INUENDO'S OF MY PITFULL LIFE ETC.I would think that that kinda name calling has been worn out.Solves nothing and creates and atmosphere of anomosity.The right nor the left has a monoply on solutions.calling me names certainly wont help the discourse...............How many times do we have to say the same thing??????????
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracy...
http://loc.gov/law/help/second-amendment...
It's interesting food for thought.
Adam Lanza with a Stinger.
LOL Zook. Too funny. Good one. Lost on this crew however.
We have one rifle on that list however its the kind that you have to dismantle before reloading. We have nothing to worry about having that rifle in our home.
MsMarylin,
Please elaborate on that gun that is on the list but has to be taken apart to load. Make and model would suffice.
As a gun enthusiast, I cannot offhand think of any comparable weapon.
Thanks.
Patrick, is Captain America correct? Are you predicting that a gun ban will pass the House?
I've looked back on this thread and all I saw was an affirmation of your belief that no one is coming to take our guns. I agree.
For a group of people who go on about how inefficient the government is, they sure have alot of confidence that their much feared government run gun confiscation program will be run with uncharacteristic efficiency.
Here is a video, dated from 1/28/13 that makes some pretty impressive points from the standpoint of someone that moved here and stayed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...
Amen Hope! Can you hear the big flush?
H4A: If you have time,I like the site.
http://weaselzippers.us/
The sheeples are out in force today.
_A...I can always say the same of you, thank you. My comment while not "meaningful" to you will be close to the hearts of others out there in Whoville.
The Constitution addresses abortion here:
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
We must work to persuade people to understand that they benefit from our retained Second Amendment rights.
We must work to change peoples outlook toward abortion too. Denying them a right is denying them a right.
The exercise of personal responsibility is a component of each argument.
Lincoln recognized that in his Second Inaugural Address as he prodded the national conscience:
"Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh."
WE defend a womans RIGHT to have and abortion if she so choses as well as your right to OWN a firearm........or should it be you can own and do as you wish with the firearm,but a woman has no rights as to her persons.Both are protectyed by the constitution.......or is that document to be used only to justify the rights ideaology as you interprete it???? ........NOBODY WANTS YOUR GUNS,BUT I do see where the NRA feels they should be able to overide law enforcement(THEY KNOW BETTER) tell me how that works I would like to know please.
I don't know how one can be sworn to uphold the Constitution, and yet justify "over-riding" law enforcement as the "right thing to do".
There are Constitutional means to challenge the constitutionality of laws.
I don't think there's a provision that allows law enforcement to declare a law unconstitutional.
Do the Oath Keepers have any sort of organizational regulations or anything similar to the UCMJ?
Or are they just winging it? Just a free for all where everyone interprets what they want the way they want?
I was just trying to get some clarification here.
It appears the only reason that is provided for endorsing unconstitutional remedies is because of perceived slights by the "other side" .
Senators have challenged President Obama's recess appointments. In court. Now the President may choose appeal to the Supreme Court. That's the way the framework is laid out.
Why isn't that same framework (The Constitution) good enough for you to use?
If there's one thing that disappoints me about Idaho sportsmen, it's going out to walk or shoot and coming across a spot where someone had been out shooting and left a bunch of empty cold packs, shotgun shells, broken bottles, etc. lying all over the ground.
This area has a unique beauty and I hate to see it spoiled by someone who has no appreciation of that.
I extend a sincere Thank You for abiding by the "Pack it in, pack it out" rule bazookaman.
I've never seen any sign of a broadhead being shot through a sign along a road either.
I wonder what vandal archers shoot up. :)