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And They Say Romney Has No Plan!Posted Wednesday, November 7, 2012, at 10:56 AM
NOT ANOTHER FOUR YEARS---PLEASE!!
Those of us with common sense know that Obama has played with these numbers to make it seem like he has done something to create jobs. In reality, not so much. So, now we enter the holiday season of "job creation." Full time jobs that pay minimum wage but are temporary or part time jobs that pay minimum wage but are still temporary. Not "job creation" at all as this happens every year with retailers. However, he will CERTAINLY take the credit. How do you support a family on 40/20 hours per week at minimum wage? I would like to see Obama and Biden do it! "The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits leapt to the highest level in four months in the latest week, erasing the large drop reported last week and then some." ... "The Labor Department reported Thursday that initial claims, a notoriously volatile data point that is subject to large swings due to technical factors, rose a seasonally-adjusted 46,000 to 388,000. The four-week moving average, which smooths out wrinkles in the data, rose 750 to 365,500. Both data points remain below 400,000, suggesting that the labor market is healing, although at a snail's pace."
... "Improvement in the labor market will continue to be fitful and slow," said Joseph Trevisani, a market strategist at Worldwide Markets in Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey." Seems like Obama is the one with the failing grade and a wasted four years. And they say Romney is the one with no plan. Obama's plan is to scew the data so he looks good. Change we can believe in---yet again! Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Last week, California reported a large drop in applications, pushing down the overall figure to the lowest since February 2008. This week, it reported a significant increase as it processed applications delayed from the previous week.
A department spokesman says the seasonally adjusted numbers "are being distorted ... by an issue of timing."
The government adjusts its readings for claims to take into account regular seasonal swings. Claims usually increase at the beginning of a quarter, but one state appears to be following a different pattern than normal in reporting its claims, which led to the wild fluctuations over the last couple of weeks, a department official said.
Don't go by just the numbers, look around you and see the people who don't have jobs or have simply quit looking.
Evidence of a loss of income for the working famiy is irrefutable. We have two vendors that have been in business for over 60 years and will be closing their doors in Jan. Other companies have taken hits too.
Imagine a 30-38% surcharge on shipping costs. I happen to know that this is true because I do freight quotes every day at my work.
Those costs get passed back on us with incremental price increases for our raw materials too.
That is why you see a huge rise in prices at the grocery store and other places. Gas at the Pump isn't the only place that we get gouged.
Health Insurance may be available to those with pre-existing conditions but at huge premiums of $800-$1200 per month.
I know this because I can't afford insurance on myself unless I want to work just for the priviledge of paying a premium and nothing else.
Other employers will hire but just under the mark of 30 hours or less per week so that they will not be required to offer benefits.
So when the media tries to tell you that things are getting better, look at your wallet and figure out where all of your cash is going. It most certainly isn't going to a savings account or to a retirement fund.
For those of us who work for a manufacturer in this country, we know that you have to be pretty courageous to compete the the shoddy stuff made in China.
Yes, and let us not forget those he can no longer get unemployment---because they have been unemployed for so long. So, they are no longer included in the data.
And yes---all of the part time jobs the pay minimum wage.
And yes---the seasonal jobs.
It used to be that if you really and truly wanted to work, there would be a job. May not be what you wanted to do but there were jobs. Now, there are not even those opitions available. It is a sign of the times.
Keep sending it all to China. Continue to allow illegals to remain here.
Great points KH as always.
http://www.mittromney.com/jobsplan
Here's "The Full Plan"
This is not a "plan". It is nothing more than a critique.
Based on the "Jobs Plan Introduction", he's offering nothing more than I could come up with.
The Romney Program for Economic Recovery,Growth, and Jobs
R. Glenn Hubbard (Columbia University), N. Gregory Mankiw (Harvard University),John B. Taylor (Stanford University), and Kevin A. Hassett (AEI)
The U.S. economy has the talent, ideas, energy, and capital for the robust economic growth thathas characterized much of America's postwar experience. Our living standards going forward,and the nation's standing as a world power, depend on restoring that growth and broadly shared prosperity.We are presently in the most anemic economic recovery in the memory of most Americans, withsignificant joblessness and long-term unemployment, as well as lost income and savings. We arestuck in a low-growth trap following the 2007-2009 recession and financial crisis. The anemic job growth and tragically high unemployment are a consequence of that low-growth trap. Therecent second quarter 2012 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth estimate of 1.5 percent,following 2 percent growth in the first quarter, makes a stark fact clear:
The economy is not getting stronger, it's getting weaker.
The Obama administration says that the economy's awful performance reflects the reality of theaftermath of a financial crisis and that the administration's policies generated what little recoverywe have seen from the severe 2007-2009 recession -- Americans should stay the course.But the historical record is clear: Our economy usually recovers quickly from recessions, and themore severe the recession, the faster the subsequent catch-up growth. For example, recentresearch by Michael Bordo of Rutgers University and Joseph Haubrich of the Federal ReserveBank of Cleveland makes clear from historical data that a slow growth recovery is not inevitable.In fact, each year, the administration has forecast just such robust growth for the year ahead, andeach time these hopes have been dashed. These repeated forecasts contradict the administration'sexcuse that slow growth is the inevitable result of the recession and financial crisis. If a slowrecovery were the predictable aftermath of a financial crisis, why has the administrationcontinued to forecast a robust recovery?America took a wrong turn in economic policy in the past three years. The United Statesunderperformed the historical norm shown in the administration's own forecasts, and its policiesare to blame. To see why, we will explore the administration's economic errors and poor choices.Understanding why the administration's policies have stuck the economy in a slow-growth trap,we can explain how different economic ideas and choices can move us forward. The Romneyeconomic program will change the direction of policy to focus on economic growth. Its pro-growth effects will work in two basic ways: It will speed up the recovery in the
short run, and it will create stronger sustainable growth in the long run.
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From President Obama: Misdiagnosis and Mistakes in Economic Policy
The 2007-2009 financial crisis produced a severe recession. GDP fell 4.6 percent from its peak during the recession to the trough in June 2009. But GDP growth has been anemic since then,averaging just 2.2 percent per year since the trough. This pattern is unusual. The past tenrecessions have been followed by faster recoveries, and GDP has fairly swiftly recovered to the previous trendline.Declines in business investment and employment were particularly sharp in this recession. Far from being a lightning bolt hitting a smoothly running economy, the crisis was exacerbated bystructural biases against business investment (from the tax code and regulation), financialimbalances (particularly fueled by biases against private saving and by the need to borrowabroad to finance our government deficits), and regulatory choices (excessive promotion of housing investment and inadequate attention to existing financial regulations and the rise of andconsequences of shadow banking). No single party or administration is responsible for structuralheadwinds to growth, but the Obama administration's errors and choices exacerbated theeconomy's structural problems and weakened the recovery.Rather than focusing on the structural problems revealed by the financial crisis and the ensuingrecession, the Obama administration focused on short-term fiscal 'stimulus.' To put the economy back on track, they borrowed deliberately and spent recklessly, ignoring weaknesses in housing, business investment, and employment. These short-term stimulus packages were ineffective,leaving the nation with higher debt, which acts as a drag on long-term growth becausehouseholds and businesses understand that the administration must raise taxes significantly to pay off that debt.The negative effect of the administration's 'stimulus' policies has been documented in a number of empirical studies. Research by Atif Mian of the University of California, Berkeley, and Amir Sufi of the University of Chicago showed that the cash-for-clunkers program merely moved newcar purchases ahead a few months with no lasting effect. John Cogan and John Taylor of Stanford University examined the 2009 stimulus act and found that the temporary payments andcredits sent to people failed to jumpstart consumption, just as predicted by basic economic theory.Moreover, federal grants sent to the states for infrastructure investment were either stashed awayin state or local coffers or had the perverse effect of reducing government purchases of goodsand services due to various strings attached to the grants. A core error in the administration'sapproach was to assume that short-term stimulus, many times if needed, would put the economy back on a sustainable long-term growth path. Rather, attention to long-term structural problemsin taxation, spending, and regulation would have offered a better tonic for growth in the short run.Indeed this is the conclusion of a number of economists with policy and empirical experience asdocumented in a recent book edited by Lee Ohanian, John Taylor, and Ian Wright.In short, the Obama administration chose to emphasize short-term fixes -- ineffective stimulus,cash for clunkers, myriad housing programs that went nowhere, and a rush to invest in 'green'companies irrespective of cost -- rather than restoring long-term growth and productive private-sector job creation.
3As a consequence of short-termism, uncertainty over policy -- particularly over tax andregulatory policy -- limited both the recovery and job creation. One recent study by Scott Baker and Nicholas Bloom of Stanford University and Steven Davis of the University of Chicago foundthat this uncertainty reduced GDP by 1.4 percent in 2011 alone, and that restoring pre-crisislevels of uncertainty would add 2.3 million jobs in 18 months. These attempted short-term fixes,even with unprecedented monetary accommodation, produced average real GDP growth of just2.2 percent over the past three years, and the consensus outlook looks no better in the year ahead.The accompanying sustained increases in debt raise the specter of large future tax increases,further chilling business investment and job creation today.In addition to these policy errors, the Obama administration has made choices to bypass reforms that would jumpstart long-term growth and job creation. Such reforms would address our anti-competitive tax code and unsustainable trajectory of federal debt -- but the president ignored hisown deficit commission and submitted no plan for entitlement reform. Treasury SecretaryGeithner famously told the Congress that the administration was putting forth no plan, but "whatwe do know is that we don't like yours."Such reforms would also emphasize opening global markets for American goods and services,and improving access to goods and services for American consumers. Yet the president has madeno contribution to the global trade agenda, and was only recently dragged into supportingindividual trade agreements.The president's choices cannot be ascribed to a political tug of war with Republicans in Congress.President Obama and Democratic congressional majorities had two years to tackle any prioritythey chose. Their priority was not growth and jobs but rather a regulatory expansion. The PatientProtection and Affordable Care Act raised taxes, unleashed significant new spending, and raisedhiring costs for workers. The Dodd-Frank Act missed the mark on housing and "too-big-to-fail"financial institutions, but raised financing costs for households and small and mid-sized businesses.President Obama's budget initiatives have stymied growth. The administration has thrown upimpediments to domestic energy production and energy security. His plan to raise marginal taxrates on upper-income Americans and on saving and investment (through higher tax rates ondividends and capital gains) fly in the face of tax reform needed to increase American investmentand competitiveness. A recent study by Ernst & Young concludes that the president's policieswould reduce GDP by 1.3 percent (or $200 billion per year), destroy 710,000 jobs, depressinvestment by 2.4 percent, and reduce wages and living standards by 1.8 percent. According tothe Congressional Budget Office, the large deficits codified in the president's budget wouldreduce GDP during 2018-2022 by between 0.5 and 2.2 percent compared to what would occur under current law. And America's weakened fiscal position puts our international economicleadership in jeopardy, which in turn negatively affects economic growth.These economic errors and policy choices have consequences: high unemployment, high long-term unemployment, and ranks of discouraged workers. And most startling: At the present rateof job creation, the nation will never return to full employment.
Amen!
Elect nobody, Zook? I say with the way Romney has conducted himself in the debates, on the stump, who he selected as VP, his business background etc., his morals, his character, he has earned people's vote. I'm more than willing to give this man a chance to turn this country around. According to newest polls, looks like a lot of other people are feeling the same way. Romney certainly couldn't do worse running the country than the last four years of Obama. I'm so ready to throw this guy out and hand the White House keys over to Romney.
From Thomas Sowell's web page a couple of days ago:
Economist Edward Lazear has cut through all of Barack Obama's claims about "creating jobs" with one plain and inescapable fact -- "there hasn't been one day during the entire Obama presidency when as many Americans were working as on the day President Bush left office."
Not my diatribe. That's Governor Romney's full plan right off his campaigns website.
Obama 2012.
Governor Romney's campaign staff may be disappointed to learn that their supporters consider their candidates "Full Plan" to be "drivel".
http://www.mittromney.com/JobsPlan
The link to the "drivel" is on the left of the page, at the second menu tab and is titled "Full Plan".
"Full Plan" is between "Introduction" and "One Pager".
Even if Romney had no plan it would still be better than Obama, he has had almost 4 years to come up with anything and has failed...... Now he needs another 4 years to come up with a plan and keep on telling the American public he can fix it all. That being said I have some swamp land in Alaska for sale.............
So I will add a tune just for the pleasure of listing to it and all my swamp land on top of all that Gold.............LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSt0NEESr...
HOW many WARS do we plan on engaging in with some one elses children??? The economy needs to be fixed YES but it is not the only thing we should be concerned about.YOU can denergrate liberals from now till the cows come home but until you have done something positive to change the entire picture without sacrificing people you dont like,all you have done is to complain...The ruling classe in this country will have the middle class on it's knees,there is some false idea that money will solve it all,no it wont and that fundamental mind set is what has set us on a path of self destruction,WE cant buy friends,influence,or freedom and creating a country where 1% has more wealth than the entire rest of the country is a recipe for desaster. We justify that by saying everyone should strive to be part of the 1% ,it is the golden apple, it is one that has taken away the sense of duty, honor, country.Elite aroggance is leading us nowhere it certainly has not put forth solutions for us all. Everyone is a vehicle to put money in someones pocket other than the citizens of this country.tell ME SOMETHING THAT IS TO MY BENIFITE WITHOUT STRINGS ATTACHED TO IT.vOUCHERS SURELY IS NOT. AS AND EXAMPLE. WELL ENOUGH OF THIS GOT TO GO..........I am sure that there will be a rant about how conservatives have all the answers and is going to save the world........my question is before or after it is destroyed through economic enslavement and greed.????? I believe in god not the almighty dollar....but that's me
Wow! I am overwhelmed at the amount of ignorance in this community that would support Romney who gives you no specifics about what is plans are and you just go along like he is the pied piper and follow him! Obama's policies are making a difference and the economy is turning around. It was the same policies that the Bush administration put in place that got us into this situation and the same one that Romney wants to enact! The President takes over during the worst economic events ever to happen since the Great Depression, makes policy changes that are starting to work, and now you want have a do over with Romney? Really?
Housing starts up!
Auto sales up!
Jobless rates down below 8%! Romney was crying about how the President promised to get the rate below 8% then he did and now he says it's not enough!
Job growth up since he has been in office!
Health care for all!
What has Romney done for you? His policies gets him, and the wealthy, richer while you get nothing!
Romney does nothing for women's rights!
Tell me what Romney has done for you and what you "think" you'll get if he is elected?
cant justwatch - maybe you should learn how to spell government then maybe you can make an informed decision! And BTW...if you read the plan, thus to make an informed decision, you would see that they are going after the insurance companies that charge you more than they need to, medicaid and medicare fraud from dishonest doctors and service providers, and providing benefits to people who need them. Have you ever thought about people who do not have insurance go the hospital and those fees get passed on to you because you are insured.
Bazookaman - Where do you think the budget was when Bush left office? How do you expect to stop the economy which was in freefall from stopping without spending money? Let em guess, you would have let the auto industry go bankrupt right? How about all of those jobs? No budget? What are you trying to say? If you follow Obama's plan to increase taxes on the wealthy and have a comprehensive tax plan that takes rates back to when Clinton was in office and oh, by the way, that is the last time we had a surplus! I guess the republicans can't figure that out yet!!
Ugggg...I hope not Buckshot and CJW. I can do without Mr. Wells Fargo myself. Let us hope it does not happen.
Nearly 1/4 of this country is unemployed! Funny how they can play with those numbers and blow smoke up our butts at every turn---and the Obama Zombies believe it.
Obama's record speaks for itself. Romney could not do any worse. Come on November!
I posted a generic statment pointing fingers at no one in particular.But it would appear that I get personally attacked for that statement,why is that / is it because some here just cant help seeking to denergrate or insult some people at all cost.??????
SO I am not going back through what I have or have not done. I will say this I dont need suggestions from BUCKSHOT about a job or anything else for that matter concerning my personal financial life.I know this I AM NOT A TAKER BUT A DOER. FUNNY HOW SOME CANT SEEM TO RESPECT THAT,for the last time I have employed and still employe people.Why dont you take a hike to FRANCE or somwhere your disrespect and insults are old, but more than that the fact that you feel you are entitled to do that is even more telling.........But some here think it's cool I cant say I know why but to each his own.
ZOOK ......THAT WILL BE AT marc anthony's 8-11 and it's on a saturday.....I will remind you later glad to see your feeling better later.
YOU dodnt have to use a name buckshot all you have to do is read and it is readly apparent you directed that whole post at me........do you really think people are stupid or does it suit your ego to pretend so that you have a pretext to treat them that way.I dont have a problem with anyone elses posted answers just your insulting ones telling me to get a job,leave the country etc why dont you take your own advice.I bought and paid for in blood for my spot here and I am still paying in blood,like every vet here.YOU dont get to tell any of us where to go period.Just say thankyou and take your insults else where............
WAYNE.......ck the my space page .....dont know how long your people are here for but we will be at jo's sunshine next sat night and then pengilleys the following sat. Thought I would mention it in case you were taking them some where,The best eat and music is chandlers ck the paper go when john is playing Ill give you a call...........later
WELL buckshot.....friend is not in my post so there you go makeing things up and trying to start s....Wayne is more than a friend but that is none of your business.You of all people should not be trying to tell people who to befriend.Your judgement based on your denergration of anyone who doesnt please you speaks for itself,maybe if you werent so insulting some wouldnt come after you the way that they do.AS for the company I keep they are a darn sight more honest and respectfull than some on this blog and they dont become otherwise unless someone does something to them,they dont degrade people for sport.I dont judge people that's GOD'S job and I dont think you are on OJT.... YOU DO.
Your last post was strictly for Affect NOT ONE THING WAS RELEVENT TO ANYTHING SAID IN ANY POST.if I DONT LIKE ....YOU SURE MAKE A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS,based on what?? I guess you know what and how I think.....based on what??You need to stick to your crystall ball reading with those who admire your thoughts and comments I am sure they appreciate you a whole lot more than some of us.TRUTHFULLY SPEAKING I dont get the impression you are some one I would want to know other than in passing.YOU COME OFF JUST LIKE ROMNEY,YOUR DISTAIN FOR ANYONE NOT LIKE YOU IS JUST BELOW THE SURFACE BUT IT COMES OUT ALL THE TIME.The only people you have fooled here ARE THOSE WHO WANT YOU UP FRONT SAY THEY DONT HAVE TO BE,YOU EVEN TURN ON THEM WHEN THEY DONT TOE YOUR LINE.....ME I m about getting along with my fellow man no matter who,makes for a better world.Having traveled the world I know.
SO COME ON SEND SOME MORE GARBAGE THIS WAY I WILL BE EXSPECTING IT.AS THE OLD FOLKS SAY YOU HAVE TO BE ONE TO KNOW ONE THATS REFERRING TO VERMIN THAT IS.......HA !!!!!!
ZOOK........the date on that is 17 nov..i get a chanc to do cocktail music yeah.......later
OH YES BUCKSHOT I FORGOT........THE people I am most friendly with here on the blog are the most controversal ones and they are from both sides of the room,so what does that say about the company I keep??? or do you have a put down for them too?????.........this ought to be intresting
And remember Romney has the secret to becoming rich, but he wont tell you unless he is president.
Hi Wayne I see you have been called upon once again by a couple of our bully bloggers. It's like they waved a magic wand and poof your here! LOL!
Hope all is well with you and Betsy and the boys!
I heard on the news a Pennsylvania judge postponed the enforcement of the state's new strict voter ID requirement until after the November presidential election.
The Pennsylvania legislature is one of several that, after Republicans took control in 2010, passed legislation to make it harder, rather than easier, to vote.
The Republicans continue to put false information out. Confusing to say the least!!
At the same time, the judge specifically ruled to allow the state to continue its education and advertising campaign, which currently tells voters that IDs are required.
Witold J. Walczak, an attorney with the ACLU said that if the state doesn't change that message, "we may be back in court."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02...
Also heard in another state, I didn't catch the state, however fliers were mailed out saying you could vote over the phone. Call the number and you can vote. More false information, no such thing and you know what happens to your vote if your foolish enough to fall for that scam!!
Why would anyone vote for Romney is beyond my comprehension. He has flip flopped so much on what he stands for how can anyone keep up with his flips or should I say flops? One day he is for repeal repeal Obamacare, and the next day he flips, saying he will keep in a few issues. On and on day by day he is slipping and a sliding, flipping and flopping.
He's not carrying Massachusetts the state he was Governor. I seen yesterday "The Salt Lake Tribune" endorsed Obama, the city where Romney ran the Olympics
The Republican Party has him confused. They molded him to be a conservative, but now that we are getting close to the election, they want him to be a moderate and that's got him in a state of confusion....
Obama is for ALL the People not just 53%
Vote OBAMA 2012!
Hey Wayne and Lamont how much you want to bet, the insults will start flying now??
Hey Zook The Salt Lake Paper might not be a big mainstream Newspaper, but you would think they would of endorsed Romney after all he was the one who went to their rescue and saved the 2002 Salt Lake winter Olympics.
WOW BUCKSHOTT.....YOU ARE CALLING A LOT OF PEOPLE VERMIN ARNT YOU????????right about now I could go where WAYNE went but I AM GOING TO SAY THIS YOU JUST ATTACKED FRIENDS AND FOES ALIKE.I hope that tells some people here something about you.Please continue and maybe they will get it.YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ME ARE REALLY IGNORANT BUT IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD.YOU PRIDE YOURSELF AS WHAT?????Please tell us, all of us.your language is no better than WAYNES YOUR JUST TRYING TO DRESS IT UP AND HE'S NOT.YOUR SAYING THE SAME THINGS BECAUSE THE INTENT IS THE SAME,YOU THINK YOUR SO SLICK HA!!!!!!! YOU WOULDNT SURVIVE A WEEK IN THE REAL WORLD MTN HOME IS WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.PROBLEM IS WE COULD DO WITHOUT YOU.SO WHY DONT YOU MOVE TO FRANCE????
BUCKSHOTT......HERE LONG BEFORE YOU......NO PROBLEMS TILL YOU CAME........have you got any other names you would care to call me....one thing through this entire garbage I am not calling you names .So what is it about name calling that you like so well.???........IF the truth about my life bothers you so much that you would call it a lie I wonder if that is because you are part of the society that plays the race card,from equal oppertunity to wether I should be here at all.For somone who says I dont know you you sure dont respect the fact that you dont know me.But you placed a lot of judgements in your post but that is not anything NEW you feel entitled to do that.To bad your not.but you did let us all know just how bigoted you are.I would also suggest you speak for yourself or do you need a cheering squad to justify what your saying????? And to think this is the 21st century and the David Dukes are alive and well.I REALLY DONT HAVE TIME TO PLAY WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU BUCKSHOTT.....YOUR JUST A REMINDER THAT THE BATTLE STILL RAGES.......THANKYOU !!!!!!!!!!
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/opi...
Buckshot61,
You've told those that support Wayne that "You are known by the company you keep."
Does that mean anyone who supports you is a liar, as you?
Indeed Buckshot but I did not edit---Brenda has that ability. Thanks Brenda. The "hide" option is a wonderful thing! I do not understand how people can condone that crap. It is vile! You are what you surround yourself with.
I certainly don't condone that type of language. I have many many types of friends from all kinds of back grounds. I sometimes don't like what my friends do or say, however as long as they treat me and my family the way we want to be treated I don't judge what they do. That's their business not mine...
CJW
Your reading in a little to much to my comment. I don't have friends like that.....For your information years ago a friends daughter was being molested and she came to me and told me. I then went to her mother and told her and also gave her 1 day to report it or I would....
Years ago I was also a witness in a murder trial here in Mtn Home. There was a family that lived down the street from me, one day the little 2 year old girl mysteriously died.... Who do you think reported something was wrong? Who do you think got involved?
CJW
What ever you want to think. Your an Idiot! Who loves to insult and pick apart my comments using a phony screen name. Coward!
Funny....when Roy took down one of his blogs it was called censorship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpeqX2lgU...
I took down this blog because of the profanity and disturbing text/comments. I did not edit ANY portion of my blog or delete any comments. The MHN has the ONLY power to delete. I only "hid" my blog because of the language---there are young people that read this and I did not feel it was appropriate content. I will not say that I am sorry for that.
If you think I am wrong for that then that is your problem, not mine.
I find the comments of a certain poster to be disturbing and I would question its ability to parent. Vile, vile, vile!
Zook, thanks for the call my friend. I appreciated it. Good friends are few and far between.
Buckshot, perhaps I am wrong on the Roy thing but did he not take a blog down, delete the comments he did not like and re-post in a new blog? I am not sure how that equates to what I did. Is my memory failing? And I do not recall those comments being sexual in nature or profane (on Roy's blog). He just did not agree with the comments, hid the original blog and re-posted it without the comments he did not agree with. Correct?
I am so glad that the libs play and judge on such a level playing field. Yes Buckshot, apple to outhouse but when you have no class...let us just leave it at that.
"I'm not shy about heated debate or passionate discourse, but when people get crazy or rude, that's a buzz kill. There's got to be a better code of conduct, some basic etiquette."
Mos Def
Buckshot, I consider the source. I would take it down again. I thought that was the situation with Roy but it was a while ago and the old memory fades. No, it does not surprise me who supports/condones---same ones that voted for Obama and brag they will do it again. Just makes a reasonable person walk away shaking their head.
Hope you have a good night Buckshot. We have snow in the foothills. Going to be a good winter I think. Maybe it will freeze the crazy folks into their dens till spring. Is that asking too much?
M-E-O-W!!!!
Aren't you all so special. Rant about CAPS lock and attack one's intelligence; yet you rave for an illiterate individual.
BTW OB, you seem to have forgotten your roots on here regarding "content". Twits and tools...what a fine menagerie.
Another win for Obama tonight!
Obama 2012! Governor Romney has sure come around to President Obama's way of thinking over the last three debates.
Yeah. Really.
http://www.atlantadailyworld.com/index.p...
The article doesn't mention the CBS focus group, but it does mention "The CBS poll gave Obama 53% to Romney's 23% for the clear win."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-5753...
What? CBS is part of that "lamestream" media only when it suits your whim?
Intresting exchange......it would seem that GOV romney just about endorsed everything the president is doing in forgien policy.Now this man is sopposed to have something different to say but he didnt,I must note not any real policy's of his own.
I said it once I WILL SAY IT AGAIN IF THE ONLY THING WE A VOTING ABOUT IS THE ECONOMY THE GOV IS YOUR MAN IF WE ARE LOOKING AT A BIGGER PICTURE THERE IS MORE THAN A REASONABLE DOUGHT.
WE backed open election in egypt,we didnt get what we thought we were going to get but we had already made a commitment.Next time we will wait and see before we open our mouths.If there was a caveat we should have said so in the beginning.
ROMNEY might give business a free hand I WONDER HOW MANY LIVES THAT WILL COST US,between pollution,depressed wages,non insurance,labor laws and a host of other issues.I do know if you dont see yourself being impacted by these things you really could care less.Problem is if it is happening to somone somwhere it will probally happen to you sooner than later......example mining safety leaves a lot to be desired now specically compliance so what do you think will happen in the future with a free hand.FOR us we need look no farther than the gold mine a atlanta.......still leaching arsenic into the river.....so when does it stop???? but SEE WE DONT SEE THE IMPACT.........YET.....and no I am not a treehugger......I just dont likr being poisened.......hello!!!!!!!
NOW I hear corporations saying That OBAMA HAS GIVEN THEM MORE REGULATION.....FUNNY I havnt heard one get specific with any that impacts them all,if there was they would have brought them to the fore front.The bottom line is they want to increas profits and if the hurt or kill some of the slaves who cares,that's the cost of doing business. That is also why they are against classe action law suits,and the government is no exception..
NOBODY HAS BLINDERS ON....BUT HOW ONE SEE'S WHAT YOU SEE ,IS IMPACTED BY WHAT IMPACTS YOU AND WHAT DOESNT.I SEE BOTH PEOPLE NOT SERVING IN THE MILITARY AS A MINUS....I DONT CARE WHAT THEY DID IT'S A MINUS FOR ME.I dont like chicken hawks talking war trash,that's me I own that period.I do not ask anyone to go along with it,dont talk war if YOU YOURSELF are not willing to put the uniform on.
ANY HOW I THOUGHT IT WAS AND INTRESTING EXCHANGE........LATER
BUCKSHOTT......DID I CALL YOUR NAME??? about anything???........NO I did not so therefore your jumping down my throat amounts to provocation for no reason other than your own feelings.I would think you know by now if I was directing something at you it would be very direct.SO therefore how about you just stowing YOUR garbage for a day that you need it.BESIDES I thought the conversation was between me and zook, and CHICKEN HAWK stands. You seem to think you can reference people as you see fit,are you the only one that should be able to do that hmmmmmmmmmmmm besides my reference was towards the PRESIDENT AND THE CANDIDATE.If YOU WERENT LOOKING TO START SOMETHING YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT.SO BOTTOM LINE YOUR ONLY LOOKING FOR SOMETHIMG TO ARGUE ABOUT.......GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND BEND OVER WHILE YOUR DOING IT........THERE is no pease with you.YOUR, I best listen up.......NO buckshot you dont scare me and you dont threaten me,you dont do any of that crap to me.Take your own advice and cool your jets with the threats I dont best do anything suggested by you, try to remember that,I know it's hard but try.I best listen up.....ha !!!!!!!!!!! your a joke a bad one.
BUCKSHOTT YOUR A PISS ANT SCHOOL YARD BULLY.....IN THAT POST THERE WAS NO REFERENCE TO YOU OR ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.yOU simply wanted a fight to bad, my reference to the candidate and the president stand if you want to include yourself in there company that is your business.YOU have relatives serving right now and my hats off to THEM.I never said YOU cant talk about the military if you havnt served i am saying for me I feel as though you should not be president unless you have ,that has always been my stand you dont like it tough,I know I am not alone.
AS FAR AS MY NAME CALLING IS CONCERNED I PRETTY MUCH RESERVE THAT FOR YOU SEEING HOW YOUR THE ONLY ONE WHO CALLS ME NAMES.IM NOT THE FOOL HERE YOU ARE AND AGAIN YOUR PROJECTION IS OUT OF SIGHT.....I BEST LISTEN..... EXSCUSE ME !!!!!!!!! FROM SOME IDIOT WHO THINKS HE IS BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.FUNNY THING ZOOK HAS MADE THE SAME STATEMENT YOU DIDNT SAY A WORD........WHY IS THAT????? and he agreed with me.
I disgust you .....good I would not want to be known as to having anything to do with you.GOD knows I dont need your approval for anything.YOUR not a veteran so dont lecture me about what I should know.Bring that when you have walked in my shoes until then shutup.ARE you calling for your cheering squad??? THEY HAVNT ANSWERED YET WONDER WHY????? your wrong and know it but that's ok I am not going where WAYNE went nice try.....but no cigar.YOU dont like it here go away we were all here before you.and were fine without you.....I am sure you can find a totaly rightwing blog were everybody insults everyone else all the time....dont you think you would be more comfortable there ?????? YOU MIGHT EVEN LEARN SOME NEW NAMES TO CALL PEOPLE......THE JOKE IS ON YOU........HA!!!!!!!!!
Obama 2012.
NOW OBSERVER.....YOU CANT DO THAT .....YOUR A SPOIL SPORT.... just teasing !!!!!!!! ROMNEY LIE DAILY....DOES THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING?? SO MUCH SO HE CANT KEEP TRACK OF WHAT LIE HE TOLD ON WHAT DAY TO WHO.I AM SURE ALL COMMUNICATION TO THE WHITE HOUSE GOES STRAIGHT TO THE PRESIDENT....HA!! thats a joke,he sees what someone else considers important for him.I was a 1stsgt my commander sure didnt see every piece of paper that came across the desk if he did he would never have got anything done.
I would not dought the white house was sent a telegram,and then we had a meeting of ...........and then we asked intell etc IT'S called a beaurocrecy to big and disfunctional.if OBAMA AND HIS STAFF DONT KNOW HOW TO MANAGE THERE PART THEY NEED TO STEP DOWN,OR GET A CHIEF OF STAFF WHO DOES. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
PART of the problem at all embassies now is the civilian contractors who are part of the protection details....The marines did not need there help and yes I AM AGAINST CIVILIAN CONTRACTORS IN THOSE POSITIONS FOR VARIOUS REASONS.BUT WE THINK WE CAN OUTSOURCE EVERYTHING.
BUCKSHOTT IT'S EASY stop calling me names every time you disagree and I wont call you any.If YOU THINK YOUR GOING TO INSULT ,NAME CALL AND DENERGRATE WITHOUT RETRIBUTION YOU MUST BE HULLUCINATING.you have done it ever since you found out I was a left leaner,black,and didnt need anything from anyone..In SHORT I dont fit your stereotype.I DONT WORK FOR ANYONE...NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL,I AM ONE OF THOSE JOB CREATORS DONT YOU JUST HATE THAT,AND I LEAN LEFT OH WELL GET OVER IT.STOP NAME CALLING ME AND LOOKING FOR ARGUMENTS.I WONT BE BULLIED BY YOU.
Boy!
And I thought I was living a miserable life. it isn't about the economy, the color of one's skin or religion.
This is about being an American and securing our children's future and our grandchildrens too.
Politicians lie, they "bend" the truth, they avoid direct questions. We all know that.
What is most disturbing is that for weeks, White House officials and our President claimed that the Benghazi affair was not a Terrorist attack. Repeatedly! The President of Libya from the get go let the world know that it was a Terrorist Attack.
4 people died on their watch and they can't even admit that they screwed up. It was far more important to get some rest and ignore a 3:00 AM phone call or attend a fundraiser in Las Vegas.
It was far more important to make the talk show circuit instead of staying home and being the President.
He failed, He lied. I don't want to hear about what Bush did and did not do. Memories are very short on how they managed to keep our country safe from attacks after 9/11. For the Past 4 years, Afghanistan has been Obama's responsibility. How many soldiers died on his watch? And how many more by those who are supposed to be our allies?
I would have voted for Cain myself. I hope that he gets a cabinet post. The same for Ron Paul.
Do you think that when Romney gets elected that he will blame Obama for his own failures in the White House? I don't think so.
We went the route of Hope and Change. Obama's words in 2007-2009 are in direct contrast to his rheotoric today.
I do not need any news agency, political pundit or celebrity to tell me what I have witnessed over the past 4 years. If we put to the scales of manure that has been produced by every politician, talk show host (both parties) and celibrities, guess where the scale would tip?
We don't blink an eye when Joy Behar calls a respected woman a filthy name on camera, but we are outraged if a conservative makes a gaffe.
David Letterman and Bill Maher have made more comments about women that were derogatory and downright filthy. They haven't lost their jobs yet.
It is time to put the toys away and grow up. This is no longer a contest or an election but a choice of how we want our future generations to live. A government that provides leadership and some additional support. Allows the states to hande their own business and most importantly, we want a government that lives within it's means and budgets our tax dollars wisely.
And yet through their collective silence, the "Circle" condoned the following statement:
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Remember...........it's only "rape" if you struggle."
-- Posted by bazookaman on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 10:08 PM
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.Very telling..........
Forgive me, I didn't spell celebrities correctly.
KH GAL....YOU ARE RIGHT ON ALL POINTS NO ARGUMENT THERE......I am not a fan of the name calling TV pundits just so you know.I dont beat either of these mens drums because neither has in there power to deliver what they are saying.UNless that congress of ours gets removed and replaced it will all remain the same.IF you ck and see that wages have not risen in this country in over 30yrs and then realize how much everything else has it's a wonder you and I HAVE ANYTHING.I dont happen to believe that the only thing we should do is eat sleep and work till we die.I give my grands anything they ask for help the kids etc but it is a struggle and one were if you make decent money should not be happening to you.corporations are making major profits and we are struggling what happened to trickle down ???
The congress can ensure change and fairness but there to busy stashing money in the caymans and every were else they can.I DONT BEGRUDGE THEM THAT BUT IT CERTAINLY NOT WHAT WE SENT THEM THERE TO DO.IT has always been about the future nothing changed there I just wish people would realize this didnt start here and it wont end here.The lies the cronieism,the theft the back door deals they all cost US yes you and I.THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED TO PUT PARTY ASIDE AND LOOK AT THE NATION ,ALL OF THEM.BETTER YET WHY DONT WE JUST REPLACE THEM........WITH CITIZENS WHO ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL POLOTICIANS MAYBE SOMETHING WILL GET DONE......YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY
BUCKSHOTT.......AGAIN your projection is right up front. I did not ask you to comment on a blog that had nothing to do with you.I disgust you so much why dont you stop posting???? YOU CANT BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD BE WRONG GOD FORBID.....AND YOU SIR ARE A SELF MADE MAN.......LEE MARVIN COINED THE PHRASE IT CERTAINLY FITS YOU HA !!!!!!!!!!I dont name call till called ,when you speak of hypocrisy you must be bent over looking in the mirror.YOU always start acussing someone of doing what you do when your not right and have run out of garbage.JUST STOP....TRY IT.
Cantjustwatch- Tell me honestly why you think Romney is a good choice. He does not support women's rights. Just this week he airs an ad support Indian Senator Murdoch who comes out the next day and say that in the case of pregnancy that is out rape that "is what God intended to happen." Why would you support that. He has no foreign policy position and has changed his position numerous time throughout the campaign. Romney also took a hard stance against the auto industry and said he would let it go bankrupt and that if the auto industry took the bailout, they would be ruined. Obama saved the auto industry and made a profit from it. And, by the way, saved jobs as well! Romney also has shut down many US companies and shipped their jobs to China. Read this: http://bainport.com/ Romney has not maintain the same position at all. He changes it based on the wind and he has no real foundation at all. If you are voting for him simply because he is not Obama, then you are making an uninformed and uneducated vote. I am not attacking your right to vote for the candidate of your choice, but at least make an informed and educated decision.
Buckshot61- Why should the President do this just because Trump asks him to? He did this once with the whole birth certificate issue. In case you didn't know it, there are certain requirements one must meet to become a US senator, here they are:
http://education-portal.com/articles/Qua...
Pay attention to this part:
Citizenship
An applicant into the U.S. senate must be a U.S. citizen for nine years prior to applying for the senate. The 9-year rule helps ensure that foreign-born senators show more loyalty to the United States than to their countries of birth. This helps promote fairness when senators have to deal with treaties and make other foreign policy decisions.
Do you not recall that Obama was a US senator from Illinois before he ran for President?
Trump's proposition would be like me saying, "I will give $100 to the local food bank if you can prove that you make educated decisions!" Really??
Stephen Colbert offered Trump an appropriate alternative challenge last night.
George Will is right. Trump is a "bloviating ignoramus."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...
Speaking of George Will...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/g...
KH Gal - Assuming that you are a woman, why would you support Romney who does not agree that you should have a choice about your body and Romney does not think you should get the same pay as men get?
A point that was brought up last night on the issue of rape and who gets to decide if it is rape or not, if a woman is raped and gets pregnant, who gets to decide if it was rape, the policeman, the court, Romney? What if the rapist claims that it was not rape, "she wanted it!" Does that delay the claim and the woman is forced to give birth to a child who is the product of rape? I love children and I love life, but I believe that women should have the right to choice what is best for them and not be force to have the government make that decision for them.
On the issue of Benghazi, this was confirmed during the second debate. Not only did the moderator correct Romney, it was proven in the news clip of Obama's speech in the Rose Garden the day after. He clearly stated that it was an act of terror.
You want to mention about how many soldiers died on Obama's watch, why were we in Iraq and Afghanistan during his presidency? Because of Bush! I am not denying that we had a need to go into Afghanistan because of 9/11 but there was no need to go to Iraq based on false allegations of WMDs that the Bush administration falsified to get congressional approval.
I also will not deny the fact that the nation has been kept safe after 9/11 in part to Bush, but you seem to forget who it was that kept after Osama Bin Laden and eventually killed him. Bush did not do that!
How do you expect Romney, who was a one term governor, and a lousy businessman, closing American businesses and shipping jobs to China ( http://bainport.com/ ), to grow the economy at a rate of 250,000 jobs per month for four years? If he does not do it, would you suggest he gets voted out or would you say, "Let's give him four more years to complete what he started?"
Really??
THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO REASON THE PRESIDENT needs to take Trump up on anything.The vetting done on a president is unreal if there was something that needed to be out there it would be.IF you look at the HATE for this man you must consider that there are people out there digging right now.They have already found sopposedly relatives this man didnt even know he had,and then we tried to hold him resposible for there station in life say what......!!!!!!!WE have done things to this man we have NEVER done to any president you have to ask whY ????? WE KNOW THE ANSWER BUT WE DONT WANT TO FACE IT.SOME might not remember but we took a theises of HILLARY'S from college and tried to use that against her remember???? I am trying to picture the hate mongers going through EVERY paper of OBAMA's from college forward,,ALL SUJECT TO PERSONAL INTERETATION......PICTURE THAT IF YOU CAN..Everyone's world view is different what I see you dont and visa versa that doesnt make it wrong just different.We had and issue right here about a ring I asked a question does me wearing a BUDDA make me a BUDHIST??? nOBODY REALLY WANTED TO COMMENT....BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY SAID HE'S A MUSLIM AND THE RING PROVES IT......HELLO!!!!IF there is one person on this planet that I know we have literally looked up there name and address it's this president.HE'S HAWAIN,BLACK ACCORDING TO SOCIETY AND HE IS PRESIDENT GET OVER IT. THERE ARE VERY FEW PURE BREED PEOPLE LEFT IN THIS COUNTRY,SOME STAND OUT AND SOME DONT.ENOUGH ALREADY.LOOK AROUND YOU FOR GOD SAKE.STOP TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE OR WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO BE.FOR ME......if you are not the first person in your family born in this country you are and American by RACE.....AND IF YOU CANT BELIEVE THAT JUST CK OUT ANCESTRY .COM YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED........HAVE A GREAT DAY ALL
Justcantwatch - Why should GM have been forced to fail? Yes, tax dollars were used but the money was paid back with interest and the US and GM made a profit. Good business sense. Tell me what private firm was interested in putting up money when the economy was experiencing the worst financial hardships since the Great Depression? You speak of the lies that Obama has said yet you do not acknowledge the lies Romney tells. Why do you not see them? You speak of racial tension but you do not give specifics and Obama himself had a casual meeting between a white man and black man caught up in a racial tense moment and worked it out. You point makes no sense at all, how has racial tensions worsened?
You mention fiscal sense and ethics, Clinton was the only President in recent history to actually balance the budget and create a surplus. What one does does not bother me as much as what one accomplishes. I am not saying I support Clinton's ethics, but he was a great President that did a lot for this country and still does.
Bazookaman- You say you are not a Mormon but you are willing to be a racist because of someones religious preference which, by the way, Obama is not a Muslim. Post the reference you make about "Obama's own comments".
You talk about Romney not disrespecting our flag yet he closes American businesses and sends American jobs to China. Would you feel the same way about Romney if it were you that lost your job?
WOW ! Now were back to Obama being a Muslim !
Courtesy of Bazookaman! Sounds a lot like Trump, but that's just my opinion!
Really??
You may want to fact check yourself before you post something.
Here are the numbers on the bailout....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101...
Doesn't sound like that "Good business sense" you mentioned, does it?
And where did you hear that the money was paid back, with interest? Please post a link.
No false judgments, it is simply asking you to provide proof! You say you remember who the congress was and who do you think the congress was that prevented Obama from doing more? The Republicans and the Tea Party Republicans that were voted in because of far right individuals.
I have already placed my vote and I know who will win this election! If you vote then your choice is made one way or the other, but at least you voted.
Try not to make things personal and make accusations about making false judgments, I do not make judgments, I simply try to provide factual information so that those that read these blogs can make an informed decisions and not one based on misleading information.
Famous quotes from CJW...
"He (Romney) CANNOT do any worse with our economy than Obama has done."
"So if your FRIEND were a child molester or mass murderer, that is just "OK WITH YOU" as long as they do it to someone else, someone else's kids or family huh?"
"If NOT then please do NOT try to place your labels and false judgements on me."
http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.as...
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"Try not to make things personal and make accusations about making false judgments, I do not make judgments, I simply try to provide factual information so that those that read these blogs can make an informed decisions and not one based on misleading information."
-- Posted by Really?? on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 10:39 AM
Previous comment: "Yes, tax dollars were used but the money was paid back with interest and the US and GM made a profit. Good business sense."
BTW, I just checked GM's stock. It is at $23.98. Which means WE are still owed about $15 BILIION from them.
How is that "factual information" working out for you, REALLY??
This one's pretty good too.
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2012/04/gm-b...
Cantjustwatch - You kill me with the "no emotional responses please!" Vote the way you want. You avoid the issues with your twisted babble as does Romney, so I guess it is just the company you, Romney, and his supporters keep.
All I will say is to just vote. I can assure that Romney will not be elected.
Here's something the Republicans don't want you to know about Romney and the GM Bailout
http://www.accuracy.org/release/how-romn...
I would like a few of those commenters to tell me where the 11,000 people went at the GM Dealerships went after they closed several hundred dealerships down after the bail-out.
They may claim that they saved the auto industry, but in fact, you can't sell cars when no one is buying because of the economy.
Ford managed just fine to bail themselves out.
Millions of dollars have been wasted in the TARP fiasco. We threw good money after bad in green jobs that don't exist. The buzz words changed from shovel ready jobs to investing in our infra-structure. Obamacare has already cost thousands of people to lose their insurance. Why? because the bigger companies got out of the health insurance business.
Smaller employers who have less than 25 employees to sign up for coverage are no longer grand-fathered in on the larger pool. I know, because I lost my insurance and the myth that we can now all be covered does not mention how how your premiums will be because of pre-existing conditions.
Just imagine paying $1,000 to 1500.00 per month for the luxury of health insurance. And then tell me that I am better off than paying $40.00 per week.
All this aside. How does it make you feel when you get gas and have to pay nearly $100.00 to fill your tank? Or see food prices rise sharply in the stores because of the fuel costs that are passed on?
CJW, You have to take it from there. I'm not going to hold your hand.
I suppose you can continue to rely on those nonlabeling, non judgmental sources you rely on to develop your label free, judgment free assessments. Although I know that wherever you get your info from, that info has been cherry picked from a bigger set of facts.
Without a knowledge of the absolute facts on any issue the President acts on, how can you be so certain of your sources of information?
Whaddaya mean?! I told you no answers! Find them on your own!
And the yammering never stops!
"Doesn't bother to mention that SHE is a demoRat "politician" in her letter does she?"
-- Posted by cant justwatch on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 12:47 PM
"If NOT then please do NOT try to place your labels and false judgements on me."
-- Posted by cant justwatch on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 10:29 AM
Obama got an endorsement today from Republican Colin Powell! Very Telling!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/w...
Whats so great or Telling about Powell endorsement of Obama. He endorsed Obama the first go around. He also made it clear he is a Republican, that doesn't say much for him. He was the Joint Chiefs of Staff once also. He also served under Bush as Secretary of State and quit. What else did he do in his career besides come up thru the ranks that made him stand out, NOTHING.
"JUST KEEP POSTING "MANURE" AND "GIBBERISH" TO:
PUSH THE **REAL FACTS AND INFO DOWN AND OUT OF SIGHT**"
-- Posted by cant justwatch on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 2:15 PM
Without a knowledge of the absolute facts on any issue the President (or any other elected official) acts on, how can you be so certain you're getting unbiased reports through your sources of information?
I don't care if you answer or not, I'm done on this. I'm sure others understand my point.
I'd think it would be very telling if maobama didn't get the backing of Powell.
And to those who think the UN should be in on monitoring our voting, you let them monitor you. I'm not down with it.
And I notice Mike posted our foes supporting barry. Who is our strongest ally backing?
CJW....I AM NOT TRYING TO RUSH TO JUDGEMENT. HOW ABOUT SEEING IT AS ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT THE SAME THING.I dont have a personal in it and I have said what I needed to say about the race issue with OBAMA WETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.SOME of our more conservative radio and tv host have said the same thing so I am ok with what I SAID. SOME of us will see it as racial on some actions and some wont.Thats OK,but it's kinda hard to dismiss IT from the equation so if mentioning it or implying it bothers you that is up to you.Funny you dont have a problem when I AM BEING DOG WHISTLED HOW COME???
NONE of this really matters to view it the way you want is comfortable and reinforces a belief system and all of us want to be comfortable.
EAGLE EYE a 35 yr career, was there sopposed to be time for something else??CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS IS A BIG DEAL,SO IS SEC OF STATE.YOU would have quite to if you got lied to and then presented that lie to the world to make the case to go to war.ANY OTHER PERSON WOULD WE HAVE SAID IT WAS THE HONORABLE THING TO DO???? I WONDER.???
My whole take on going to war in Iraq may or not been the right thing over WMD. My take on that most if anybody would believe what I think about it so I am not even going to post it. Like some of the rest of you my military days taught me to pay attention and I did and came to my own opinion which I can't prove so I will just let it lay. I had alot of time on my hands at the time and watched it all very close.
some people laugh some dont.......it's about 50-50 oh well just proves the point.
SKEETER.....WHO ARE THE BRITS BACKING????
EAGLE EYE...dont think your out in left field there are a lot of reasons nobody wants to talk about us going to war........You MIGHT HAVE NOTICED PRESS Obama would not even entertain charges against PRES BUSH.or any of his innercircle administration.I have a theory also and when I think about it I get real MAD TO SAY THE LEAST.YOUR not alone.IF your not down with the monitoring you need to let the state know they are the ones who say yes or no.THEY ALSO ARE THE ONES WHO DID THE INITIAL INVITING....later
Brian Williams will be interviewing President Obama tonight on NBC's Rock Center.
http://m.cnbc.com//id/49539562/
Lamont, we are not on the same page, the reason we went and what I feel put us there over the WMD is what I said I can't prove any of it so I said I would let it lay which I will. None of us will have any of the answers now. Obama may have pulled us out of there but where did he put 30,000 troops just in case, they are not back in the States.
EAGLE EYE .......IF I AM not mistaken they were part of returning force levels to before the suge.levels......so i WOULD THINK THOSE THAT WERE ACTIVE WERE DISCHARGED.....I DO KNOW THAT GUARD AND RESERVE UDL's were increased I do not know by how much.That would be inline with the goals of more force intergration and that goes across the board all branches of the services.
What ever got us there got us there,I just feel it was 5,400 lives lost plus 37,000 wounded for nothing......and we are still waiting for our payments from there oil to cover the cost of the war,We seem to have forgotten about that part of it all,sure would help the deficet.......you have a good day.
We'll know in about 50 years. I hope it doesn't take that long, but I understand the schedule used to declassify Presidential documents is complicated.
Documents and tapes from the Kennedy and Johnson administrations were released relatively recently.
DAVE.....I know and sometimes I am not sure that is in the national intrest,but that's me.........later
In response to bazookaman's 0800 post, here's the link to the transcript of the Sept 7, 2008 airing of "Meet the Press".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26590488/ns/...
And the netcast
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/meet-the-pres...
Draw your own conclusions.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/sta...
Fool.
As I've said before..............."Videotape SUCKS don't it?"
-- Posted by bazookaman on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 8:30 PM
Mr. Thompson:
I clicked on your references and it was about Joe Biden and Tom Brokaw for Meet the Press. I guess I am a little slow this week. Or I missed something. I was looking for the transcript about Mr. Obama.
That's my point KH Gal.
Senator Obama was never interviewed Sunday, September 7, 2008 by General Ginn on Meet the Press.
bazookaman would like us to believe the lie he's referring to though.
Funny the Way It Is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwi4KpI_M...
Standing on a bridge, watch the water passing under me
It must've been much harder when there was no bridge just water
Now the world is small, remember how it used to be
With mountains and oceans and winters and rivers and stars
Where did you see this interview?
I'm skeptical because I used the reference you provided. Why isn't the Meet the Press transcript and video good enough now? You cited it.
Where did you see the interview?
I found that the petty and the nit pickey seems to serve the purpose for the right,The president makes a factual comment....I will have more latitude after the elctions......and that becomes a sellout I havnt quite figured out how yet but that is what it is played as.MICHELLE says more than what half the country feels as to dead and wounded and it too becomes turned into a thing larger than life.America is not perfect and we have not always done the right thing why do we have such a problem looking that in the eye.I would think that to face that head on would make us a better nation and peoples.but that's me.
The sarcasim at the end of the post really leaves a bitter taste the right voted GEORGE BUSH a second term although they knew he lied on iraq what does that say about you guys.....did party come first I think so.Party doesnt always come first for either side ,I said it before for me it is a matter of trust you cant say one thing today tomorrow another and the next day something else and on the fourth deny it all and on the fifth not remember any of it.
If you are ready to place the country in the hands of someone like that ,that is up to you but I think if someone in your family acted that way you would not tolerate it.To each his own.IF the only thing he is good at is making money at all cost we have a problem,that is my opinion.
bazookaman, you've passed on a lie you got from an email.
There is no interview. If it had been on Fox, they'd have transcripts of it. There are none.
And through your insistence that you have seen an interview by General Ginn with Senator Obama, is perpetuating that lie.
buckshot61, you got anything to say about the nonexistent interview of Senator Obama by General Ginn?
Come on now. Focus that laser. Convince me I'm wrong on this.
Take a chance and demonstrate some shred of credibility.
I expect you'll fail.
False
No, General Ginn has not had any interviews with Senator Obama. General Ginn was born in 1928 and has not appeared in public for several years.
This was part of a viral email that was circulating in the 2008 campaign rhetoric. It was totally false, according to both people with President Obama and General Ginn. See more about this fabricated story in the related links below.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Barack_Oba...
Obama wasn't on "Meet the Press" Sept 7th 2008
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/sta...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26590488/#.U...
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/o...
Governor Romney was elected governor of Massachusetts in 2002.
Back in 2005, my family and I were on a cruise and one afternoon at lunch we were seated with a retired couple from Massachusetts; except they referred to the state as "Taxachusetts".
Governor Romney had been at the helm 3 years by then.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...
Massachusetts is telling us something.
MsMarilyn,
Another thing that steams me regarding that nonexistent General Ginn/Senator Obama interview is that General Ginn passed away on June 1, 2010.
Someone somewhere started this hoax a few years back, and although no such interview ever took place, the lie has been perpetuated (by veterans as well) while using the name of a now deceased veteran.
That's pitiful.
Not my smoke and mirrors. The Ginn interview was brought up by bazookaman.
I just pointed out he has perpetuated a lie.
Focused? Let's see, one post with six issues. No, it's not focused.
However, To be clear, not all households living below the poverty line receive $61,194 worth of assistance per year. After all, many above the poverty line also receive benefits from social welfare programs (e.g. pell grants).
re: Romney in Massachusetts
You're saying the tax rate in Massachusetts did not rest solely with Mitt Romney.
He'd been in office 3 years of a four year term.
Did Governor Romney deserve a "bye term" to give him an adequate period of time in order to get taxes under control to satisfy the citizens of his state?
I see that your data comes from new data compiled by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee.
What data sets did they compile their report from?
Regardless, I understand President Obama's overall vision and believe he is committed to reducing the number of welfare recipients through a number of policies.
In President Obama's second term, I expect all my elected representatives to work with the President toward common goals.
I know there are commonalities. Governor Romney acknowledged several of them in the last debate, and agreed with the President's actions on many issues.
The President and Congress must work together. But when one side or the other refuses to work with the other, each side is bound by duty and empowered by the Constitution to take certain actions without the other. To include recess appointments by the President.
Republicans and Democrats back in D.C. know how the game is played. If one party uses intransigience as a tactic on an issue, the other parties involved must continue to carry out their duty as permitted in the Constitution. Each Representative and Senator sent to D.C. is sent there to represent their state.
I've always expected my elected representatives to work with each other to advance the interests all Americans share.
I have never called anyone on here a Nazi or racist.
The Attorney General was nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate 75-21. So he's our Attorney General.
Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, former Governor of Arizona, was nominated by the President and unanimously confirmed by the Senate. So she's our Secretary of Homeland Security.
Blaming the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi on Democrats is as foolish as blaming the 9/11 attacks on Republicans. For a man who has clearly demonstrated that he doesn't verify the accuracy of everything you pass on in your posts, you're speaking with alot of confidence in that statement.
Without a knowledge of the absolute facts on any issue the President (or any other elected official) acts on, how can you be so certain you're getting unbiased reports through your sources of information?
"Protecting the Force Lessons from Fort Hood" is a report of the DoD Independent Review of the attack at Fort Hood. It is necessarily broad in scope and addresses workplace violence and terror attacks.
http://www.defense.gov/pubs/pdfs/DOD-Pro...
The United States are the world's leading democracy. I believe one of the reasons we have our elections monitored is to demonstrate to the world that our election system is run fairly and without corruption. The United States shouldn't give any other nation the impression we have anything to hide when it comes to our elections. If we do, we'll lose credibility.
Buckshot61, I believe twilcox had explained a view several weeks ago that a Chief Executive takes too much credit, or blame, as the case may be. I've always believed the same.
The considerations that you outlined for Governor Romney may be extended to President Obama as well.
One could interchange Mitt Romney with President Obama.
Interesting to note that you got that from politifact.com
Good on ya!
You posted it.
"Governors and presidents generally get way too much credit and blame for job creation or losses," Miron said.
I would venture to say request turned down because nobody knew where to get the people from.GET this who protects those people over therE???? the marines,cia.or contractors.As soon as that is sorted out we might GET the protection figured out.....2 of the people killed were armed contractors ,that seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle.who did they work for and doing what????
I think the name calling period was un called for but let us remember that both sides are guilty.......when you look at the racist insults thrown at the president,first lady and the children you have to wonder what are we all about.???? tHESE WERE OFFICALS THAT DID THE NAME CALLING.
I thought Dave explained that panther thing very well nothing to add there or is the law sopposed to change because they were panthers.???
George Wills column is worth the read today.there also is a cited study done on racial attitudes in AMERICA IN THE STATESMAN.......HAVE A GOOD ONE
Hey lamont hope you're doing well.
THANKS DAVE...IV GOT SOME THINGS GOING ON.....HOPE YOUR DOING OK......IV been reading almost like running into the same wall day after day.They want you to listen but they wont it never ceases to amaze me.The 2 things I mentioned are worth the read you take care and thanks for asking
Every politician is guilty of cherry picking the statistics. Usually, there is a wide array of information and they simply cherry pick the ones that fit their agenda. To tell the whole story would be counterproductive to their cause. The whole story is usually one of a little good, a little bad, and mostly ordinary results. The numbers do not jump off the page usually. However, today's political realm is all about sensationalism and salesmenship. And yet the public eats up.
People attach too much importance to national politics. The election of a new president is not going to be the ray of sunshine coming up over the horizon. We still have to make good decisions in daily life. We still have to care about our localities and how those are managed. All of our problems are not going to be solved. It is sad that a lot of Americans believe that their problems will all be solved if the right one is elected. The President does not factor into every decision that a person makes. The connection is actually quite minimal in most cases.
BS61,
I am not saying this to knitpick or point out the obvious but tell me how the president directly affected your every purchase. Not just gas nor healthcare but everything. Right down to the bag of chips.
Second, if a person makes bad decisions and runs themselves into the ground, do you blame them or the President? They still have to take care of their own affairs. A person's life is mostly as good as they themselves make it to be. the election of a President does not exonerate oneself of having to make good decisions.
Yes, Obama has failed. He is just yet another smooth talking politician. There are many others like him on both sides. He is betting on people being gullible to think that he can be the savior. Obama and romney want us all to believe that the only important decision in our lives is the getting the election right. The rest will simply fall in place and all we have to do is continue existing. I am a firm believer in the idea that you make your life what it is. So, needless to say, I do not buy into their propaganda. It is a shame that so many do.
To pretend that getting the Presidential election right is the only important decision is to engage in hero worship. Hero worship blinds those who do the worshipping. They are only part of the picture. Focusing ones eyes solely on the two main figures means that you have to neglect the other 179 degrees of the spectrum.
BS61,
You really do your best to pick a fight. Oh well, I say.
On to other things,
Here in Reno, the campaign is at a fever pitch. It is one of the last truly undecided areas. The state is split roughly 50-50. With North Reno being the area that will swing the pendulum one way or the other. As a result, the amount of ads on TV and radio as well as in the mail and on the phone is at an epic level. It is truly sad that they spend the amounts of money they do to win these elections. What a waste, I say.
I agree re: hero worship.
Steve Jobs & Steve Appleton will be remembered as visionaries in their own right, but without a sizeable workforce of some of the smartest people in the world, neither would have been able to take their companies to the levels they had.
It wasn't all about them.
They certainly didn't build it themselves.
And speaking of salesmanship: http://www.npr.org/2012/10/30/163929221/...
re: building it themselves
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=n...
Straight question: Can you imagine Obama being able to fix your washing machine?
Just a thought. According to Romney's brother, he learned to fix just about everything around the house.
Some people are more mechanically inclined than others. And even more important, some are more apt to have leadership skills than others.
You've reduced the duties of the President down to appliance repair.
But, yes, I can imagine President Obama fixing a washing machine.
This election is not about "fixing your washing machine." It's about fixing the economy, fixing the rights of women, fixing the equality for all Americans and not just the ones that suits Romney, fixing the end of wars brought about by the last republican in office, fixing health care for all regardless of pre-existing conditions, allowing children to remain on their parent's insurance while trying to get on their feet. This is what the election is about.
I am not attacking you or your comments. I am willing to respectfully engage in a debate about positions not just "he is new" and that's all that matters. When you boil it down, you cannot deny that the President has made progress in all aspects of the economy and rights for all. You may dislike his views and his policies, but you can't deny he hasn't made a difference. Romney has not proven him self as a worthy candidate. I am not trashing other than to say that as a one term governor and a business, he does not have the qualifications to run the country.
Make informed and educated decisions, keep those in the storm on the east coast in your thoughts, and vote!
Whatever Stone's got to say to make his money is what he'll say. No different than any other salesman.
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-15/enter...
TWILL,DAVE,REALLY.......NICE TRY,no matter how you present it for further thought they will not consider it or listen,What means one thing to us means something different to them,They do however want you to listen to them,which I think we do maybe we shouldn't.....HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD DAY
You know Buckshot, you are the typical uneducated, misinformed, and habitual republican voter that has kept this great state red for too many years! It is truly sad that someone like you is allowed to vote!
"Obama's "got his problems, and I think he made certain promises he hasn't kept," Stone says. "Obama has carried on the Bush war on terror and has not addressed all the things he promised he would do to curtail the hype and fear that pervade this country."
Still, he adds, "Obama's doing his best."
"There's one GOP candidate who definitely won't be getting Stone's vote: former Massachusetts governor -- and presumptive Republican Party nominee -- Mitt Romney, about whom Stone doesn't mince words.
"I'm not going to vote for that idiot," he says."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ol...
The President has acknowledged that he hasn't carried through on promises from the 2008 campaign, but he said it hasn't been for lack of trying.
I don't agree with Stone's view that Governor Romney is an idiot.
In one election cycle Stone was promoting a movie. In another election cycle, he's promoting a book.
The fake Romney is out on the campaign trail today under the guise of support for the people who have been devastated by the storm "Sandy"
Shaking hands and pretending to help out with the donations...
Nice try Mittens but we can see through your phony facade
I don't beleive he's faking it MsMarylin. I believe he's genuinely concerned.
This disaster struck with such bad timing for either candidate, and it appears Governor Romney felt he had to do whatever he could to convey that he's a guy who cares. He really didn't need to do that to convince me, because I'm sure he's earnest, but a voter on the fence may topple his way.
Maybe you know something I don't know...... I watched him talk in Ohio today and seen him standing at a table shaking hands.....
SORRY DAVE cant buy the caring by GOV ROMNEY....I JUST GET A GUY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE MOMENT TO SCORE POLITICALLY.I feel he has said to many things that say he doesnt care.BUT that's me.HE might pick up some votes.
Here's what that caring guy said about FEMA last year.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/1...
Point taken MsMarylin & lamont.
I think the article MsMarylin refers to is an example where a candidate is right or left of center on a particular issue like FEMA's importance. That candidates stance on the issue will move toward center the closer we get to election day and Hurricane Sandy accelerated Governor Romney's shift toward center.
Governor Romney may see that FEMA and the private sector each have their own capabilities and efficiencies and should work together to provide relief and speed recovery.
Okay, I made it too simple. Is Mr. Obama willing to get his hands dirty? And I don't mean political posturing or smear tatics.
You know like those millions of "shovel ready jobs" that he promised.
Fixing a washing machine is a dirty frustrating business. If you are not up to the job, then you call in a repair person who is. Not someone who helped to fill your campaign coffers during the previous election.
As for Oliver Stone, he must be finally feeling a little pinch in his pocketbook.
I have always heard most Politicians have dirty hands
And since our government is more complicated and frustrating, the President has appointed, and the Senate has approved many of the people that have helped.
You are correct Mr. Thompson. The entire system has been corrupted by greed, glad-handing and other useless endeavors.
You Might as well campaign with an open money bag these days.
They have forgotten that they were voted in by the people and for the people instead of re-election bids, lobbyists and other special interest groups.
KH Gal
I wish you had a like button I could click on underneath your comment.....
YEAH...KH gal.......love it !!!!!!!!!to bad they dont hear you......
Tonight's Frontline will be interesting.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...
Yes, he had to call out "Uncle Bill" to help save the campaign.
Kind of like a soap opera where the villian becomes the good guy or dies but "comes back" like it was a bad dream
It becomes ever more difficult to be objective about politics. The sheer amount of propaganda and salesmenship makes truth a very elusive item. Add in the army of pundits and mouthpieces who really are just venting and no wonder Americans are so weary of politics.
The two candidates do nothing to dispel that thought. Both engage in pandering and mud-slinging.
It really should be all that complex. I see it all the time at work. Instead of making it short, sweet, and substantive we get the full out infomercial every time there is going to be something done. In a perfect world, they would state their beliefs and stick to them. They would also give explicit detail about what they plan to do. No vaguery, no advertising, no mention of the other candidate. Simply break it down like you would see in a Chilton guide. Finally, there would be no mention of how Dems do this or Reps do this. Just focus on what they are going to do or not do. Sounds simple but Americans apparently like the long-winded speech that rarely ever actually says anything.
I agree with you there, Twilcox1978.
What credentials do you have Buckshot to claim this administration is "floating" out there?
Tell me where you "word is surfacing" coming from?
Let me guess, you agree with Romney that Jeep is moving production of their vehicles to China right?
You cannot accept the fact that the economy is recovering and your only response is to say they are cooking numbers to favor them. Do you not understand that there are federal agencies that are still in place regardless of who is the President?
Another thing, how do you feel about Romney going out and buying goods for "donations" for his storm relief that he bought and then handed out to people just for a photo opt?
At least Governor Christie had the leadership and courage to praise the President for his leadership in getting resources to states that were affected by hurricane Sandy. What did Romney do? Romney wants to privatize FEMA.
Not for the faint of heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odc7WC9nO...
"I'm sure as soon as the election is over, your country will improve immediately."
And the late George Carlin with Tavis Smiley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICwyV5pp...
Food for thought.
Good points posted by Really??
Thank you Dave! Your posts are refreshing to read!
Please read Buckshot!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/the...
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentar...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/31...
This is Gov. Christies response to Romney!
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/30/ch...
You keep mentioning Benghazi like it is the only thing you have to hold onto...much like Romney!
Did you pull that response from McCain?
C'mon Buckshot! Stop smelling the roses and admit that the economy is doing better. What have you lost because of Obama?
Stop pulling attacks from others and tell me yourself what has happened to you that is so bad that you would rather vote for Romney. What leadership qualities do you see in Romney other than he is not Obama?
Please read Bazookaman! Sorry for the double post!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/the...
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentar...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/31...
This is Gov. Christies response to Romney!
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/30/ch...
You keep mentioning Benghazi like it is the only thing you have to hold onto...much like Romney!
Did you pull that response from McCain?
C'mon Buckshot! Stop smelling the roses and admit that the economy is doing better. What have you lost because of Obama?
Stop pulling attacks from others and tell me yourself what has happened to you that is so bad that you would rather vote for Romney. What leadership qualities do you see in Romney other than he is not Obama?
Re: appealing Obamacare
I posted this back on the 30th, but I'll put it here again for the convenience of all.
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/30/163929221/...
More food for thought.
Please answer my questions bazookaman. Tell me how the deficit affects you directly and how Romney is going to improve it?
Romney himself has shutdown US companies and shipped jobs to China and benefited financially. How do you think he is going to put America first?
He used his one term as a governor as a stepping stone to run for the presidency. Do you not recall him running four years ago against McCain? What do you think he did so much better now that makes him a good candidate?
Ask yourself honest questions and see where your answers lead you. I am not attacking you as a person for your beliefs or anything else. I simply want to have an educated and informed banter back and forth about the issues and leadership. Something Romney lacks. He has not help the same position twice and he does not have the courage to admit he made a mistake or that he changed his position because of extenuating circumstances. A true leader holds these characteristics.
Again, please tell what Romney means to you.
Really:
because we are never going to convince you that Mr. Obama is failing to do the job that he was elected to do, we won't.
It is very easy to get on camera and promise tax dollars to the affected areas. No one begrudges that. What is not easy, is taking the time to put forth a physical effort to allieviate someone's suffering. Looking Presidential is not hard work at all. We just haven't seen it much over the past 4 years. Including the Libya fiasco.
I believe that the only thing that will convince you is when you take out your wallet and spend your last dime and the government has gone broke and cannot sustain their debt. Even then, I am sure that there is a Conservative out there to blame.
What Romney means to me?
1. Not a socialist.
2. An American.
3. A businessman.
4. The ONLY hope available, considering the "choices" we currently have.
5. An end to the "change" some of us should have NEVER believed in.
6. Romney can't do any worse than Obama and I want a change in the blame game.
Bazookaman:
Romney knows how to shutdown plants and send jobs to China. Just ask these people who lost there jobs.
http://bainport.com/
That point is invalid!
Obama is a diplomat who respects all and is ending two wars brought about by the same leadership that led us to war in the first place! Did you really think we had WMDs in Iraq?
Invalid!
Romney isn't "ashamed" to be an American because he doesn't act like one! Do you have a bank account in the Cayman Islands and don't pay taxes like all the other Americas?
Invalid!
Obama has a job and had created over 5.5 millions jobs since the economy turned down. Again, because of the policies by Bush! How many jobs has Romney created?
Invalid!
Again, with the deficit, you do not give specifics on how that directly affects you. A large part of that deficit was to get the economy back on track and create jobs! Did you lose you job because of Obama?
Invalid!
OM:
This is what Socialism is:
Definition of SOCIALISM
1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
That is not Obama. Maybe you feel asleep during government class, but there were only a few socialist in our history and the most notable one was Karl Marx. But maybe you do not recall him.
Invalid point!
Obama was born in America and maybe I need to refer you to the qualification one must have in order to be a senator because obviously you do not know!
A businessman has never been a president and that is the worst quality you can have. Running a business does not qualify you to run a nation. Remember Ross Perot?
The "ONLY" hope available? Why not give the president time to continue what he is improving on? At least he has a record that is showing success, Romney just keeps saying whatever who is in front of him to appease them. Do you think Jeep is going to China too?
Maybe instead of placing blame, you can do more to support the one person making a difference in America instead of hoping that if we let someone else do it, maybe things will get better. Changing the economy is hard and just letting someone do it then snap a finger and say he didn't do it quick enough, let someone else try is asinine. What if your bank said you are not paying your mortgage off quick enough, get out of your house because someone else can do it better?
Doesn't make sense does it?
KH Gal, once again you hold on to Libya just like Romney and McCain has. Did you not believe the video tape that proved he called it an act of terror?
And we are a little more focused know on the millions of people affected by Hurricane Sandy. Can you come up with another argument?
How about what Romney is doing? Sending Jeeps to China?
Obama's plan to return to the tax policies of the Clinton era will make things a bit more fair and equal and, BTW, the Clinton era taxes created the only surplus in history!
Correction, his tax policies did not create the only surplus in history but the first one since 1969.
http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-def...
Government does not create jobs.
re: businesses/regulations/taxes/government intrusions posted by bazookaman @ 0827
http://www.whiotv.com/news/business/hond...
When you cannot answer my questions Buckshot it is not that my attempts are "weak" and "pathetic", it is your candidate who is doing it himself.
Tell me the facts that affect you and engage in thoughtful and founded arguments and maybe I can see your point of view. Your arguments are nothing more than what the pundits put out and nothing from you.
Quite trying to avoid the point and answer my questions. Or, are like Romney when you are asked a question, you just smile and avoid because you have nothing to stand on?
Don't make this personal. I have not said you are weak and pathetic, I have simply refuted what you have said with facts which you can not give a reasonable answer to. The election is just five days away and I am confident that my candidate will win and we will have a great four more years. You, on the other hand, will continue to be bitter.
Have a great day Buckshot!
Before you pick a right wing news like Washington Post, read other places!
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-5754...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57...
http://www.loop21.com/politics/chrysler-...
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/...
C'mon Buckshot...Really??
Fiat SpA, Chrysler's parent company, is considering building some Jeeps in China, though the production would be new, not shifted from elsewhere.
http://www.toledoblade.com/Automotive/20...
BS61,
I was not only talking about the Presidential election but the entire political spectrum.
Both sides of the spectrum are guilty of propagandizing. A read an independent study a while ago that said that if every drop of oil in ANWR was extracted that the price paid at the pump in the lower 48 states would only decrease by between 2 to 5 cents per gallon. That flies in the face of what supposedly objective, rational Republican mouthpieces would have you believe. Drilling in ANWR would produce virtually instantaneous drops in price in the range of 10 to 20%. The truth in any matter is usually not represented in the extremes. It is usually somewhere in the middle. That is boring and unremarkable to most especially the media and pundits. They would be off the air if they simply stated reality and did not dress it up.
My primary complaint was (and you know this) that the candidates focus too much on trashing the opponent and party interests and not enough on the issues. It is not all that complex. Just state what they believe, what they are going to do, exactly how they plan to implement it, and why they chose that path over other alternatives. No mention of what party they are in or the other opponent. Could you handle the decision being this cut and dry?
No one has to discredit Romney.......He does that all by himself.
Thank you for that link Dave! I was looking for it!
I am going to hang on to Libya until we get some answers as to why we were lied to. It is my right to do so. This should have been front and center like all the coverage of the videotape was.
Instead, they want us to believe that it didn't happen when 4 people are dead. We can't prevent storms like Sandy, but we can prevent our state officials from lying to us when other people were left behind. And his stuttering account on the View, and the David Letterman does not count.
If one of your loved ones was overseas working for the Gov't and they were considered expedendable by this administration, I think that your tune would be different.
And The Mainstream Media is complicit in this farce.
I had the impression you were going to hold on to the Libya until "we get some answers as to why we were lied to."
First, I don't know whether we were lied to or not. There are ongoing investigations.
My tune would be this: I fully understand the importance of applying the highest classification to the intelligence that had been gathered regarding the incident. I would want those responsible for the attack to be captured or killed, and I wouldn't want to let them know what we know until we sent a couple of Hellfires raining down on their sorry asses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/us/dro...
As far as being lied to, we may not know the answer to that for another half century, depending on the declassifiection schedule assigned to all the pertinent material.
Mr. Thompson:
For several weeks they blamed it on a video. And on camera to the American people.
And this is all when they knew from the very beginning what had really happened. E-mails, and other communications, testimonies prove that.
Hilary went as far to tell Mr. Woods personally that they would arrest the man who produced the video.
Just like your child when they are caught in a lie they deny it. they try to give you another story.
They try to tell you that you really didn't understand what had been said. The only thing is, we do understand. And we can replay it over and over again. It is their words that have bit them in the butt.
No conspiracy theories or other speculation.
I don't know about Really??, but if I was struck with some prophetic insight and the results of next weeks election were revealed to me, my vote would remain the same, whether or not the candidate I support prevailed.
I'm not basing my vote on any speculation that I'll have alot of people agreeing with me.
Voting is not solely about picking a winner.
Bazookaman...I am glad that something the President has done benefited you and your family! That is a good thing. It makes no sense though that you praise him for something that, again, benefits you yet you want to get rid of him. What would you do if your candidate gets in office and then your mortgage goes back up?
KHGal...You hold on to the Libya issue like McCain and Romney and you focus on the four deaths like that was the only thing in the world. What about the thousands of deaths that came about because of the Bush policies? Do you remember Abu Ghraib? The torture policies of the Bush era that enraged the Muslims fueled the hated that caused Libya.
In case you did not know, everyday those who serve our government understand the risks of serving. That includes service men and women and the civilians that serve as ambassadors. It would have taken a battalion of Marines and heavy weaponry to protect the individuals in Libya and even then, they still may not have survived. What about the other ambassadors abroad? They still have the same risk. What about the soldiers that died this week, or last week, this year? Do you want answers for that to suit you?
I served my country under Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr. I have done my part and knew the risks involved when I signed up. Fortunately I made it back and there are many that did not. We do not seek answer but proudly served our country. The same the four in Libya did.
Buckshot....I am not fighting with emotion, I am simply fighting against a candidate that does not have enough intestinal fortitude to admit he is wrong on several issues and cannot admit he makes mistakes. Again, I ask you to simply answer the questions I put before you, but much like Romney, you are avoiding them. I ask you to refer to the definition I provided for socialism and ask yourself if you are treated that way or are you over simplifying it and those in the world that truly live in a socialist state are really happy.
The US will never be taken over by the UN and if you believe that then you are seriously misguided. Again, I will say congrats on the home loan! I will champion anyone who benefits from policies that help them individually! Good Friday to you sir!
Good points Really?? Have a good weekend. Early voting results from my home 3 - 0 for Obama 2012.
Do you not watch the news Bazookaman? FEMA was there right away and much quicker than what happened during Katrina; under the Bush administration. The National Guard has been in many cities helping citizens, but maybe with your socialist views you don't recognize the uniforms.
As I watch the polls this weekend, Romney is falling further behind.
The marathon has been canceled and focus is on helping others. You still do not answer the questions I have asked and you continue to speak of emotion in what I say. For the record, I don't base my decisions on emotion. I make informed and educated choices based on facts that I can confirm and agree with. I do not take twisted perspectives without independently checking sources. Let me ask you again, do you really believe Romney on his claim about Jeep going to China?
In about 100 hours or so, the votes will be tallied and the choice of the American people will be made. How you can support someone like Romney is a mystery to me but I will respect you choice. Debating is based on facts that be proven not claims based on feelings or skewed perspectives. Have a great weekend!
What would Americans do if we could not exaggerate and use hyperbole? Supposedly, this Presidential election is either going to be (strike the grand music) a sunshine filled revival or the end of the world. Let's be realistic, neither scenario is realistic. Regardless of who wins, life is not going to be all that different either way. Most presidential candidates are fairly close to the center and so the differences are not as great as most would think.
on another note, early results say that Romney has the narrowest of leads in Nevada. I would not read anything into that yet though.
BS61,
The same has been said about every election. I heard the same rhetoric from the left when Bush was taking on Kerry. What makes your brand of impassioned hyperbole any different from theirs?
BTW, US oil production is up over the last ten years. The only area of contention, ANWR, was an issue as far as the first Bush. Since then, three terms have been served by two Republicans and has it been resolved? No. The moral to the story is that all modern day politicians are not about results but rather good salesmenship.
BS61,
If every drop of oil was extracted from ANWR, our supply still would not meet our demand. The only hope of that ever becoming a reality is if the proposed Green River Shale reserve in Utah/Wyoming/Colorado is tapped. However, there are technical and practical difficulties beyond regulation that have kept this shelved for the last 30 years.
If extraction began on ANWR, the effect once disseminated amongst all 309 million Americans would not be all that substantial. That is not a bad thing. Life itself is made up of many small things. Small things that if viewed in a vacuum are meaningless but when combined with others can be quite meaningful.
Actually, oil production is up because most of it is on private land. The debate here and mostly everywhere else is about having this kind of operation on federal land. The majority of the recent boom in Eastern Montana and North Dakota is the result of the land being owned by the right person. The population growth in that region did not precede the oil boom. I have been there. It is quite unremarkable.
The President and other politicians take credit for this but their decisions had nothing to do with it. It just happened to have come to fruition during their time. It will continue and the next President is going to take credit for it as well. When again, their presence at the White House affects it not in the least.
BS61,
"The president has NOTHING to do with the private oil industry going on in North Dakota right now, twilcox. He has zero say on PRIVATE LAND. Had he, I've no doubt he'd stop them from drilling, too."
Thanks for re-stating my third and fourth paragraphs.
Zook,
It is not all that difficult to model what would have happened. The amount of oil reserves in ANWR is well known and the amount of oil currently on the market is well known. Simply plug it in and out comes the answer.
It all comes back to this illusion that the President simply twists some knobs and pushes button and out comes the price paid at the pump. There are many factors that come into play. It is a global marketplace.
The following are links to articles that echo my sentiments that Americans are overhyping this upcoming election. Seemingly every election is the most important ever. It kind of reminds me of sports where every year there is a game that is the biggest and best of all time. However, if you view it objectively you discover it is not all that different from the others.
http://theamericanscholar.org/the-most-i...
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2011...
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/spincontr...
Zook,
I have on numerous occasion tore Obama apart. Your convenient amnesia is not my problem. I prefer the logical, balanced approach over believing everything I read or hear from opinionated, rhetoric-spewing mouthpieces.
On to other things.
There is a political ad about how Bain capital shut down this factory in the Midwest. The hidden truth behind this is that the factory would have closed in time. It was unsustainable. The times had changed and it was a relic of the past. Whether Bain capital or Romney would have been involved or not, its demise was inevitable.
This is the definition of being short sighted but yet Americans buy into it completely. Never thinking to look beyond it. That would take effort and that can't be tolerated. The political ads exaggerate and we lick it up. So what does that say about us? If we are not prone to overblown statements then why do so many buy into it?
Twil:
I drive by that midwestern plant every day. It is now a salvage place for auto parts.
I used to bank at the credit union when they cashed their paychecks each week. Most of them took out a minimum of $200-500 per week cash and deposited the rest for paying bills.
You're just going to continue on with that conspiracy theory aren't you Zook? If you were an employee at the Jeep plant in Toledo, would you still vote for Romney?
I voted as early and as often as they would let me. I canceled out most of bazookaman's votes since I voted mostly for incumbents. And I too voted for an AMERICAN.
A clergyman was walking along a country road when he saw a young farmer struggling to load a huge pile of hay back onto a cart after it had fallen off.
"It's at least 100 degrees out here today and baking hot,' said the cleargyman, 'and the sweats pouring off of you. Why don't you stop and rest for a few minutes?'
'No, I can't stop now,' said the young farmer. 'my father would not like it at all.'
And he continued re-loading the hay with determination. 'but surely,' continued the clergyman, 'everyone is entitled to short break once in a while. Here, have a drink of water.'
I'd better not,' said the young farmer, 'my father would be really mad if I stopped now.' And he continued reloading the hay.'
'Your father must be a real slave driver,' said the clergyman. 'tell me where he is and I'll give him a good piece of my mind!'
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Zook...I will close my post on this topic like this, you are a disservice to the men and woman, like myself, that have served this nation to protect and defend all people, not just the ones we pick and choose when we feel like it. Your job as a serviceman was to follow the orders of the commander-in-chief. If you do not like that, then you failed as a member of the military. I assume, that you don't mind getting that retirement check each month do you? You had a chance to vote, and obviously you did, for a candidate that could not be trusted, could not be honest, and could not win the hearts of those who he claimed to want to lead. Your candidate did not win! So now you have a choice to support the President the nation voted into office or to move someplace else. Put aside the partisan stance and do your part to help this nation get better. Otherwise, just be quiet!!
I need boots...big, tall, heavy boots. The doodie on here is so deep we will soon all be eating it!
I will NOT support this db President and I do not feel that makes me any less American than the next guy. Respect is earned not a right due to position.
It is disappointing to see fellow veterans callously push aside the results of a Constitutional process they swore to protect and defend.
One of my favorite quotes from George Carlin:
"If crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight?"
One word Mr. Thompson. Tyranny.
George Carlin has never impressed me much. He made a living with a limited vocabulary. Fred Made Fudge. and other delightful observations.
No, KHGal that'd by "tyranny fighters".
I understand why George Carlin never impressed you much.
And I understand how you are incapable of understanding Carlin.
Before you start judging people's service I suggest you check yourself! I have fought in combat and have bled for my country and again I realize the oath I took to protect all enemies foreign and domestic. You are a prime example of a domestic enemy because you cannot accept the fact that the nation has elected a commander-in-chief. Your candidate spent more money than any other republican candidate in the history of elections and still could not pull off a win especially from the ones he claimed to want to represent. No longer are the angry white men, the evangelicals, and the right wing able to dominate the ever changing nation we have become. A serviceman, if you claim to be one, is obligated to protect those who can't protect themselves and those who are different. If you cannot, will not, or just refuse to, then move someplace else with other like minded people because regardless of what you say, this nation is moving forward with or without your support.
Justcantwatch...your ignorance is why your candidate did not win. Because I am educated, I can assure you that I will see you in a breadline before I see myself there.
Rather than continuing a argument with idiots, I will just step away from this forum and just say again, OBAMA 4 MORE YEARS!!
Obviously the Republican Party needs to take a look at their selves with out those rose colored glasses.
They need to regroup, and get off their Conservative Right-Wing approach....... It didn't work. The American people don't buy it. At least stand in the middle of the road, where all American People will once again have 2 partys
MsM, would you have told the blacks back in the 50's that they need to regroup and get off their approach because the American people don't buy it?
Just because you don't believe in a certain philosophy doesn't mean it's not the right way to go.
This country is moving forward? Kind of depends on which direction your head is pointed, doesn't it? And you obviously have your head up your ---, Really??, so you could actually say this country is moving sideways.
Big difference a Republican party stance cannot be compared to the blacks back in the 50's who were asking to be treated like every one else and have those same freedoms.
Respectfully Mr. Thompson:
Mr. Thomas Jefferson: I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of men.
Freedom Fighter: a person engaged in resistance movement against what they believe to be an oppressive and illegitmate government.
Mr. Carlin wanted a laugh line. Mr. Jefferson did not. He wanted freedom for all of his fellow countrymen.
MSM:
if you look at the history of the Democratic Party since the Civil War, you will notice that their stance against the Negro was oppression and suppression. Terror and intimidation including voting priviledges. This continued on even through LBJ's presidency.
What every American has been given since the Civil rights movement is choice. You can work your way out of poverty, get an education, make a difference to a nation, serve your country.
Or you can choose, crime, despair, or victim hood.
Here are the opportunities today. Education, Politics, Military Service and Distinction, Medical Service, College funding.
Again, I will say, this is not about a particular party, but a mindset. No one owes you anything. We have choices, all of us. If something doesn't pan out, there are other ways to achieve success. NO ONE is holding you back but yourself.
Women have the right to choose, but they do not have the right to decide what to do about another human being's life. The choice begins with a decision prior to conception. While people may not agree with that, Women still have choices.
Is life fair? No! If we happen to be successful, should we share? Yes. Should we be forced to share because our elected officials cannot seem to balance a budget and continue to live as though the golden goose will never die? No!
I don't call people names, I respect your opinions even when I disagree. It distresses me when anyone labels someone else. But that is just me.
What most people do not understand is that the real control and outcome is not determined by an honest transparent election process any longer. Instead, they have added wheels within wheels where none were ever needed. Everyone wants a chance to grease a wheel or to add another cog to the process.
Everyone just sit on your fingers for a day or so until you can type something pleasant or friendly.
Thats the spin fox news and rush are putting on it..
Money can't buy the White House (cnn's) spin
TO MUCH TO ASK OF SOME KH GAL....I WAS HOPING ALSO..........HAVE A GREAT DAY
"It is OFFENSIVE to see other veterans BACK POLITICIANS with communist agendas to sell this country out, and put it under the U.N. flag.
Did y'all FORGET the OATH?? Or did you just enlist to try to get an education and eventually a pension? I dedicated MY service to OUR country and OUR way of life. And I put OUR country ahead of all others---both IN and OUT of uniform. You guys should have joined the Peace Corps or something."
-- Posted by bazookaman on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 10:33 PM
"It is OFFENSIVE to see other veterans BACK POLITICIANS with communist agendas to sell this country out, and put it under the U.N. flag."
---It is offensive to see "other" veterans, hold themselves above fellow veterans with whom they disagree.
"Did y'all FORGET the OATH?? Or did you just enlist to try to get an education and eventually a pension?"
---I dont think anyone forgets their oath. Why someone enlisted is none of your psychotic business. ( but it begs question: do you enjoy YOUR pension?)
" I dedicated MY service to OUR country and OUR way of life. And I put OUR country ahead of all others---both IN and OUT of uniform."
---There in lies your dilemna--You still live IN your uniform. I also dedicated my service to my country (I don't remember anything about "way of life" in MY oath). But when I retired, I retired. I left trust in the military to continue to protect and defend us. And you know what, they've done a pretty darn good job thus far. They didn't need me to "carry on" with them. You think that you are needed for things to "carry on". You retired from the military, yet, you constantly portray yourself in a John Wayne manner. There is no "in" or "out" of uniform with you: You are Mr. Marine Mike! And with that mindset, you act as if yours is the only opinion that counts. You are ALWAYS touting your prior service--it's like you feel like you are owed reverence for your service. Other veterans still hold their belief and creed, but they don't feel the need to cry "I SERVED" to punctuate what they believe.
" You guys should have joined the Peace Corps or something."
---Not that I'm one of "those" guys, but, no thanks. I'm content with what I joined.
Ummm, you still got a little zook dook showing. Might want to clean the nose a little better next time. P.S. I think he can speak for himself.