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Romney "On The Cross" Over Video Comments

Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2012, at 11:49 AM

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Sometimes---The Truth Hurts!
So, have you seen the latest video of Romney where he said the following to wealthy donors?

..."47%" of the country "who are dependent on government" and "who believe they are victims... will vote for Obama no matter what."

Why are people so up in arms over a truthful and factual statement?


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Did "it' hit the streets yet? It was pretty quiet on E 15 North.

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Go ahead and support him......sing his praises and kiss his butt......cut the throats of your grandkids...........I will not argue with ANY of you anymore out here.

I am hereby OFF THIS BLOG-NET, (which should charm several of you).

As a AMERICAN.........I have nothing more to say, until it hits the streets.

And I apologize for NOTHING!!

-- Posted by bazookaman on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 8:01 PM

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 10:15 PM

President Obama is projected to win re-election.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 9:32 PM

Thanks for calling me out on that. You're right JYD and I apologize to all who read it. Words are just that, and I should have never let what anyone said get to me that much. Everyone is entitled to post an idiotic opinion just as much as I post my own idiotic opinions. If I keep getting all worked up over some of these commentors, I'm gonna have a heart attack before I'm 40 :)

Have a good day and again, sorry to all who read it.

-- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 4:28 PM

KT,

Just curious...what "line" did Observer cross that compelled you to try and coax him out from behind his pseudonym and risk a face to face encounter with you?

The more I read, and stay out of these arguments, the more value I place in staying under cover...you guys are getting too hot and bothered to be taken seriously; except when it comes to threatening language. Then you need to be taken seriously, but not for the reasons you wish to display. Be careful out there.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 2:48 PM

Zook,

I do support a flat tax. It would put a ton of people out of business but that is life. The H&R Blocks of the world would no longer be needed. Accountants would see a huge hit to their business. However, that is the way of the world. Things change and evolve over time.

The primary challenge that we face in getting a flat tax implemented is that no one would be able to agree on the exact percent. That is a weak excuse but that is just how it is. Steve Forbes has tried to push this idea in the past during his short presidential campaigns.

I could bore you all with the economic theory that backs it up but I will keep it one simple idea. A flat tax would help everyone by taking the uncertainty out of what they pay in tax.

-- Posted by twilcox1978 on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 8:38 PM

NO.....ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL,fOR ME IT'S EVERY CITZENS RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY TAXES.Now with that said the taxe we are talking about is income tax.Everybody pays the other taxes such as payroll etc.Of that 47% only 17% pay no income taxe for various reasons,That should include the millionaires who derive income in some other ways and those able to shelter and have taxe write off's,and off shore bank accounts.This whole argument sounds like people are saying somebody is getting something I am not,and that's both sides.I resent people who take advantage of the system no matter who they are.It bothers me that some of these issue take on a different tone when they affect different people.I dont want to see and elitist dominated society,i want to see veryone have at least a chance to advance to the head of the table.NO one and I mean No one complained when others were being stifled,now the fear of it happening to them drives a maniacal panic.This is not fun to watch as a matter of fact it's sad.

-- Posted by lamont on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 8:12 PM

Bucksh_t61,

Glad that I entertain you.

On to other things,

The best thing that Romney can do is to just keep plugging along. Campaigns are marathons. There will be more of these and so why waste a ton of effort and resources now.

My main issue with taxes is how complex it can be. A simplified tax code would be have benefits that go beyond what can be written down.

-- Posted by twilcox1978 on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 1:37 PM

KH,

I was trying to limit the topic to just poor people. I think i have railed on enough about how politicians are mostly worthless and need not go any further.

On to other things,

Romney's statements are going to be forgotten by next week. We are going to move on to the next outrage. Something next week is going to be the thing that sinks their respective campaigns. The media's coverage (FOX News included) of any big political race is not that different from National Enquirer or Access Hollywood.

As for the military, I respect them and let them be. I do not stop them and make a big scene of it. I treat them like I would myself. Yes, they are current and former military that are not good people. However, I have no way of judging that on the surface and so make no assumptions.

-- Posted by twilcox1978 on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 8:20 PM

2265471,

You used the term " until it hits the streets', which would mean "it" has not occurred yet. Now you are claiming "It's BEEN "on the streets" since '93-'94.." Soooooo which statement is true and which statement is a lie.

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 1:27 PM

The biggest welfare recipients today are the elected officals who fail to do their jobs. And lets include those who party on our dime too while collecting a paycheck.

finding waste is pretty easy when you start with the obvious litter and move on the the stuff that is hiding in the bushes or under park benches.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 10:02 AM

Poverty and what we should do about it is always going to be a contentious topic. The central divide really boils down to whether you believe the person is responsible for the predicament or that the system failed them. I have no hard evidence to definitively prove either side.

Let's pretend that the first option is true. If your decisions are the reason that you are poor then only you need to be involved in the decision to not be poor.

If we say that the system failed you then that involves a larger number of people. If the system failed you then why put forth any effort because your efforts are meaningless. Why take pride in yourself and try to make the best out of it. The liberal argument that the system failed the people robs them of motivation. The system fails them so their predicament is going to be there regardless of their motivation. What a way to squash a potential dream, in my opinion.

Leaving it up to the person to better their situation is empowering. Saying that the system failed them is the opposite.

If this does not make sense, let me know. I was trying not to ramble on.

-- Posted by twilcox1978 on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 8:26 AM

Hey observer, my wife says I'm not allowed to post my address on here anymore when I get mad but, if you scroll through the past blog you can find it. Please show up there and I will show my papers. You have crossed the line, and it's pretty much time to put up or shut up. Your choice. Talk smack and be an internet Superman or actually back up your words. But one thing you will not do is disgrace guys who have been in hell, walked out, and are having to deal with the reprocussions of it today. Only so your sorry "!" can act like a big boy behind a computer screen. I would love to show you those "papers", friend.

-- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 1:25 AM

OBSERVER......I am not a right winger but I am a vet......so this is were it's at.WE paid for our retirment in ways you cant even imagine and or would consider.I may not like some of what zooks says but he spilt blood so that it can be said by all.We both spent time in the bush in the namm.HERO?? WE DONT SEE OURSELVES THAT WAY BUT we will not be denergrated to suit your feelings.You are entitled to speak of anything you want however I would suggest that our retirement checks are not part of that equation.....HIS 22yr and my 28 equal more time than most are old here.I dont countenance with ANYONE who questions our service or our sacrifice.They certainly didnt pay us enough then or now.........find another subject.........No HE'S NOT GOING TO SHOWW HIS DD 214 AND NEITHER AM I.You dont know to much about vietnamm vets we are our own breed.Take that anyway you want.

-- Posted by lamont on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 8:24 PM

Everyone needs to go see the movie

"OBAMA'S AMERICA:2016"

It outlines Obama's plans for the United

States from the beginning. Some if it

has already happened and some is still in

progress. It is not a pretty sight.

-- Posted by yniashi on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 5:37 PM

I dont like either one of the two people up for president, and I agree that Obama needs to go. But at least Rommney is not running from the truth

-- Posted by shockwave on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 4:23 PM

Did I miss something?

Did "it' hit the streets yet?

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Go ahead and support him......sing his praises and kiss his butt......cut the throats of your grandkids...........I will not argue with ANY of you anymore out here.

I am hereby OFF THIS BLOG-NET, (which should charm several of you).

As a AMERICAN.........I have nothing more to say, until it hits the streets.

And I apologize for NOTHING!!

-- Posted by bazookaman on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 8:01 PM

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:)

-- Posted by Pale Ale on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 1:52 PM

SW,

I hate to show favoritism toward either candidate. Usually I am busy trashing both of them, if you have not noticed. In the case of society being self-sufficient, that hits home with me.

I empathize with poor people. I have been in their shoes. However, I do get tired of the constant excuses. Yes, there are obstacles but will power can help someone overcome just about anything.

-- Posted by twilcox1978 on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 1:30 PM

Dave, good link to that Washington Post article and one I totally agree with.

-- Posted by Second Wind on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 12:56 PM

Why do you hate to agree with Romney? If what you're saying about self-sufficiency is what you really believe, why are you against Romney, and, I presume, Republicans, who have been preaching self-sufficiency and not leaching off other taxpayers? Not wishing to start an argument, just curious.

-- Posted by Second Wind on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 12:47 PM

http://m.washingtonpost.com/opinions/geo...

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 10:56 AM

So what I should have said is that I should not expect everyone to do exactly what I did. I expect them to come to the same end result which is self-sufficiency but not to take the same route to get there. I made it a bit more difficult than it needed to be. Being 21, decision-making was not strong suit. That experience taught me a few things. One, not everybody wants off the street. Two, private charities are more than adequate.

-- Posted by twilcox1978 on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 9:39 AM

I hate to say it but Romney does have a small point. I do not know about the 47% but I have met plenty of people who feel that the government owes them a life and all that comes with that. They may not come just right out with it but it does not take Dr. Phil to sift through the justifications that they use. It truly is quite sad in most of these situations. They could be so much better. When I was homeless, I could have maneuvered my way into receiving assistance. However, I took the long way and am better for it. I should not expect everyone to do what I did or others have but it amazes me that they do not take more pride in themselves. Anyways, have a great day everyone.

-- Posted by twilcox1978 on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 8:36 AM

twilcox and yob have good points. The media presents the electorate with a false dichotomy.

But I'm not going for it.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 8:35 AM

Hey Amigo Zook---welcome back my friend. Hope you and Donna are well. We need to do some range time soon my friend.

Better to be a "Brainiac amigo" than a "stooge." It is 5:00 somewhere!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 8:15 AM

It appears that is what some are depending on.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 6:30 AM

."47%" of the country "who are dependent on government" and "who believe they are victims... will vote for Obama no matter what."

Are we suggesting these categories are mutually exclusive/collectively exhaustive?

-- Posted by yoB on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 4:30 AM

Why are they so up in arms?

Well, to begin they should not be. The comments are have been said by many not just him. If anyone else said them, few would care.

In our modern political scene, politicians are supposed to only say things that are neutral in tone. While they say the same thing as others who are more blunt, they have to effectively mute themselves. They do this in order to appeal the widest base of voters. Stepping outside of this is risky. It is only risky because liberals, the media, and the bored are just waiting for the slightest misstep. Each misstep is supposedly an earth-shaking event. Even if they these overblown events happen every week. They are in the business of faux outrage and hyperbole.

In the end, this is not going to be that big of a deal. Most people have made up their mind. This latest fake controversy is more entertaining than substantive.

-- Posted by twilcox1978 on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 11:23 PM

Did you know some of those 47% are Republicans. Some are retired military, kids with student loans oh and deductions that bring taxes down if you file the long form. Guess who put some of those deductions in place?? Reagan and Bush in his first term!

Where are Romneys taxes? Maybe he skipped on filing for a few years or he cheated on his taxes??

Why won't he show more??

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 9:10 PM

Obama will never be accountable for ANYTHING that he does/does not do. It is the "blame game" as MsM would say.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 6:12 PM

I would say the Dems. and their lapdog media accomplished a slick diversion technique with that tape on Romney at a fundraiser that they magically pulled out of thin air. Obama threw the Ambassador to Egypt and three other people under the bus when he did nothing to prevent their deaths on 9-11. Only now after they're dead is he reading the riot act to that Egyptian Muslim President.He should have forewarned all those governments that nothing better happen to any of our embassies on 9-11 or the US will cut off foreign aid to their countries. He should have had Marines guarding the Embassies with guns that actually had bullets. Their deaths are the result of his lack of leadership. In order to divert the public's attention from that Embassy disaster, they pull out a tape of Romney at a fundraiser that they were saving for a crisis. Now, instead of people talking about Obama's feeble international leadership, people are talking about Romney's 47% remark. Mission accomplished.

-- Posted by Second Wind on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 4:46 PM

http://m.theatlantic.com/politics/archiv...

Here's an interesting perspective.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 2:52 PM

You can Google "Who are Romney's 47%" and it spells it out for you "Brainiac."

How elementary my dear Watson. LOL KT.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 1:00 PM

There "ain't" no one else to vote for? Scratch your name off that "brainiac" list also.

"I wouldn't be surprised if Romney is one of those 47%.." I read the same article, MsM.... and that sentence doesn't even make sense. How could Romney be one of the 47% he was refering to? He pays taxes, he isn't dependant on the government, he doesn't consider himself a victim, and he will not vote for Obama no matter what.

Rather than make yourself look foolish, stop reading articles and start thinking for yourself.

BTW, how are you able to hold a bottle of rum while you have pom poms in each hand?

-- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 12:35 PM

There ain't no one else to vote for! I wouldn't be surprised if Romney is one of those 47%..

KT I guess by your answer you don't know. I'll cross you off my list of brainiacs.......

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 12:25 PM

You are one of them, MsM. ""There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what ... "

-- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 12:15 PM

Can any of you Brainiacs tell me who the 47% people are?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 11:37 AM

ABG: Would you explain why you will vote for Obama.

-- Posted by skeeter on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 5:40 AM

I wonder if our favorite friend has found his way back from the trail of breadcrumbs?

-- Posted by KH Gal on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:54 PM

If this pathetic blogger is an example of "a better generation", than there's no hope for America's future. He or she is part of that 47% Romney was talking about that would vote for Obama "no matter what" because they want all those freebies they think they're entitled to. To Abettergeneration (and I hope you're reading this) YOU ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS COUNTRY IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN. There's too many of you bottom-feeders (yes, that's exactly what you are). I suggest you take an Economics class in college. Maybe you could then understand that if there's more people on government assistance than workers to pay for them (which is where this country is at)than that scenario is unsustainable.

-- Posted by Second Wind on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:48 PM

Yes, and to state that:

"Personally I believe its sickening that the people on this website are more concerned about the U.S going overseas and interfering with another country's business than the issues going on in this country."

The healthcare bill and money sent to these places that burn out flag, kill our soldiers, etc. ARE LOCAL ISSUES related to what is going on here! The fact that you fail to see that shows me that college is not serving you all that well. Aid to other places is tax dollars---money that should be poured into improving things HERE.

Obamacare---another sham that will be funded by the middle class---AND IS ANOTHER TAX. Again, a local issue/concern.

Yep, we have no concern for what is going on here. For the record, this is a military community. Many of us on here have loved ones and friends in these places that you seem to think are "unimportant." I find the fact that you seem to fail to see that disgusting considering they fight to keep you safe and free and have your say on this very web page. Just a little nonsense for you to ponder.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 8:55 PM

You should watch the full video........

Some are now calling George W. a genius compared to Romney.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 7:44 PM

Hey! I like that "Abettergeneration"!

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 7:25 PM

Personally I believe its sickening that the people on this website are more concerned about the U.S going overseas and interfering with another country's business than the issues going on in this country. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, these comments are down right disgusting, and they're made by a candidate that wants to become the President. I know people who have been working their butts off trying to support their families only to succumb to the pressure of a bad economy (Which was the result of a Republican ya'll voted twice) and apply for government AID, not because they wanted too; but because they had too and there's no other options.

Mitt Romney wants to pander to his billionare and millionare friends more than he wants to help this economy recover (which was inherited and passed down to Obama who attempted to fix the economy, but the problems from the Bush Administration became too much of a problem for one man to handle). What I also think is sickening is that he thinks that people who earn less than him are stupid, we're not stupid, we work harder than he does trying to buy businesses and shut them down.

You'll might get your sources and information from backward Republicans, but I like to do my independent research and get these facts myself and I've came to the conclusion that Mitt Romney doesn't want to help me, he doesn't want to help me succeed, he wants to throw me down into the tank full of sharks known as Big Business and ruin everything I've worked for.

I'm a college student, I work hard, I have two jobs and I beg to differ when somebody tells me that I'm nothing more than a bottom feeder, I pay as much taxes as the next guy when he sits in his CEO chair, paying 13-14% taxes and earns money from abusing tax loops while I pay 30% tax. Ya'll should be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this backwards, mule. I'm not supporting either of them but Mitt Romney panders to the rich while the others are just trying to get by with what they have. Even the Republicans agree that Mitt Romney tanked his own compaign with his stupid, ignorant remarks!

-- Posted by Abettergeneration on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 6:36 PM

Why should anyone be suprized that the media is making a big flak over Romney's comments? The lamestream media is just an arm of the democratic party and they are going all out to smear Romney and get their guy back in office. It doesn't matter what Romney says or does, they will go ballistic in attacking it. Romney also made a true statement about the embassy killing and those "journalists" were all over him like a dog with a bone.

If Romney gets elected, he's going to have to deal with this biased, liberal media just like Bush did. Bush's solution was to not defend himself when the media attack dogs circled around him. We see where that got him. I hope Romney does not make the same mistake.

ROMNEY SPEAKS THE TRUTH AND IS THE ONLY ONE DOING SO. Forget about those jerk-offs in the media. Their nobodies.

-- Posted by Second Wind on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 4:47 PM

Welp, I better get off of here and head to work. I was trying to save up for a new 73" 3-D flatscreen TV but, I've got Obamacare to pay for. Have a good day everyone :)

-- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 1:13 PM

Dave, I believe that he was just calling it as he sees it. I'm sure that if he looked at some of these blog comments, he would include that "no matter what" in his address again. He knows, just like you and I, that there are a lot of people that will vote for Obama "no matter what." Why people are so upset about facts is beyond me. We all know what he meant but, the same people who defended Obama's "you didn't build that" comment will be the same hypocrites calling for Romney's head over this.

-- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 1:08 PM

If he had left out the "...no matter what.", he wouldn't be taking as much flak.

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:55 PM

Agree KT and I do not take your posts as ranting. Post away.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:52 PM

Sorry to keep ranting on your blog Tracy but..... Biden can tell the black community that if they vote for whitey, "they're gonna put yall back in chains." But God forbid that Romney lay out some facts for people.

-- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:46 PM

Yes-sir-e to all comments so far!

KH: yet the money to these flag burning locations still flows. And why would Obama worry about what is going on---he thinks all is well (and tells us so over and over and over again)? Jobs are on the increase...blah-blah-blah.

I thought what Romney said was dead on. Obama needs a dose of that (truth). Come on November!

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:39 PM

I think, if anything, this backs up what the Romney campaign said they stand for. They said they are going to lay out the facts, no matter how hard they are to swallow, and tell it like it is.

I'm tired of the Obama administration sugar coating everything and blowing smoking up our butts!

-- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:19 PM

Sorry, I spelled Romney wrong.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:03 PM

Did you know that the person who taped the video is a grandchild of Jimmy Carter? And that Jimmy encouraged him to submit it to Mother Jones?

That wouldn't have been so bad, but he then went on to brag how partisan he was and that he wanted to get back at Rommney for his comments about his grandpa. he was voting the Democratic Ticket all the way.

We can't be indignant when our President goes to Vegas for a fundraiser when the Mideast is running amok and burning our flags. We can't be indignant when we are supporting almost half the population with our tax dollars.

But by golly, Rommney had better toe the line on the victims statement. After all, you never know when a partisan is lurking for a gotcha moment.

In the meantime, Flags are being burned, the President is not sure if Egypt is an ally or not. They still have not walked back the statement that the attack was planned in spite of the clear evidence that it was.

And to top it off, we are dissing our true allies.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:03 PM

Isn't that the truth, Tracy! Apparently, some Americans don't like to hear the truth or try to live in there only little dreamland.

Here is a link from a Liberal media outlet that says exactly what Romney said..... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05...

-- Posted by KentuckyTransplant on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:02 PM


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