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Zook, it was also great to see you as well. I did not know that that location was one of your "gigs." I always like listening to you play. It was great to see you as always.
As for the sign, it could have been a fed up Dem who did it just as easy as it could have been a Rep. I would like to think it was a group that voted for him and felt duped. I guess we may never know. At any rate, I did find it kind of clever. You need security clearance to get into those areas (or own a plane, etc.) so we know it was not just joe blow that did it.
I am so sick of all of this election garbage I could vomit. They are all bad. The only question now for America to answer is who is worse. Come on November!!
Has anyone that subscribes to this college "indoctrination" myth ever thought it is affirmation rather than brainwashing. The more liberal students were already liberal before they even considered college. Their beliefs simply are reaffirmed rather than changed. Boise State, as an example, has far more registered Republicans than Democrats. As so does Nevada. What is your explanation for that?
Second, most topics explored in college are not subjective and therefore opinion carries little weight. Most college students do not major in the liberal arts; English, sociology, the arts, theatre, and music. Areas such as accounting, medicine, engineering, math, economics, computers, and finance have little to no grey area. Those are the most popular majors in the universities located in Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, and Utah. Hmmmm...
Even those colleges that are primarily focused in areas other than liberal arts still have a core curriculum that usually involves a minimum number of courses in the Humanities and Social Sciences. I went to an engineering university, but still had a good number of these liberal arts requirements. As best I could I avoided the courses that would involve the more "liberal" side of things,though the majority of the professors that taught them held the beliefs favoring the left. One such course though was inescapable, it was a mandatory requirement for every student called "Great Ideas in Western Culture". In it we read works such as Plato's "The Republic", Machiavelli's "The Prince", Dante's "The Inferno", and even sections of The Bible. At every turn the professor skewed his interpretations of the works towards a far left, even socialist, agenda (granted, some of the "selected" works didn't take much skewing). Some of my most frustrating times were when he blatantly "misinterpreted" The Bible to support his agenda. Needless to say, we wound up arguing a lot in class. I even had to rewrite my final paper, he refused to accept it because it blatantly tore down most of his basic arguments (in his words, "I just didn't understand"). I think it was one of the few courses I took a B in, pretty much because I wouldn't regurgitate his tripe. Other students chose their grade over any type of beliefs. Of course some students may have been left-leaning to start with, others were just young and impressionable. From there they just went their way to their engineering, or math, or accounting, or computer courses, with no conservative viewpoint ever offered to balance things out. It's in this way that even universities specializing in professions versus liberal arts still tend to indoctrinate to the left. Try to find a college course where they study "Atlas Shrugged" or "Starship Troopers" (the book is an excellent treatise on society and values, not to be confused with the movie of the same name). As I recall a group offered a grant to universities to teach a class on "Atlas Shrugged" and the left was up in arms since that this would be the rich or businesses "controlling" curriculum. Or maybe it was just impinging on their agenda.
Northside,
Solid post.
Maybe I am just biased. I took 4 upper division history courses from a very conservative and christian man. History is one of those topics that is contentious. Either side always claiming that the other is distorting student's view of the past. However, we had students of races, religions, political backgrounds, etc. in these courses. His classes would fill up in days.
The subject matter was mostly Rome, Greece, Early Christianity, and the Middle Ages. He could have easily pushed a right-wing, Christian agenda. Did he? No. Every thing he said could be backed up.
Finally, I attended meetings of the College Republicans and college Democrats. The college Republican meeting had an estimated 200 while the Democrat meeting had somewhere in the range of 50-75. So apparently the professors are doing a very poor job in their liberal indoctrination. Either that or the kids were thinking for themselves all along.
Anyways, back to the topic.
Obama is going to have to concede Iowa. The Midwest may not have been hit by the recession as bad as Nevada and California but the recession is going to have a longer, more sustained impact there. Besides Illinois and Michigan, he is going to have a very hard time winning any of the other Midwestern states.
People are being discriminated against at the DNC. they are asking for their photo ID to gain admission.
No irony there. It is all about votes on both sides of the fence.
I could only get your first link to work, all the rest said page not found.
This propaganda was send via emails and it has been researched and found to be false.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of...
A lie is a lie doesn't matter what side tells it or who said it.
I'm still trying to figure out what you were implying about me? You said I might have said it on one of your old blogs, well which one do you think I said it on? I have a copy of all your old blogs.
Buckshot:
Did you turn the TV off before Michelle Obama joined the nation together?
Buckshot
You have a sense of humor, your getting better as the days go by.
Amen Buckshot!
Some people are just too proud to do their jobs. It isn't about party, but country.
It isn't about government, but people.
If the middle class and wealthy had more disposable incomes, they would gladly contribute to helping the poor. It should be voluntary anyway.
It is called being "Voluntold" (very popular in the armed services).
And another great evening of tv entertainment planned as the DNC will have Bill Clinton ramble on about how the Republicans created a "mess" that Obama has inherited and he just needs another measly ol four years and another 5 trillion to finish fixing it. I'm sure that will about sum it up, so why waste an evening watching it. I wonder how much money the DNC had to pony up to get Clinton to speak, and how many busloads of people they had to truck in from other states to fill the auditorium. Smart of them to cancel having Obama give his speech at that football stadium. It would be beyond embarrassing for them to see all those empty seats.
Sounds like your a little disturbed tonight Buckshot. That had to have been Clinton's best speech he has ever made
A win for AZ tonight---Court upholds the "Show Me Your Papers Law" that Obama attempted to have thrown out. The tides they are a changing!
Buckshot "disturbed?" I think he is just a realist. Disturbed? Nawwww.
I do not read anything into the DNC having so many empty seats. The Democratic nominee has been known for the last four years. No suspense there. Also, Charlotte is a bit of a strange location for a DNC. North Carolina does vote Dem most of the time but it is surrounded by Red states. The attendance ,or lack thereof, for the DNC is not going to affect the end result. It is just another thing for the bored to talk about.
I would be satisfied if only 10% of the items listed above were done. That would be vastly more progress than has been done in the last thirty years. Maybe if a few of them were put through, it would show the skeptics that it can be done and without catastrophic consequences. An addict justifies their addiction by saying that if they had to quit cold turkey, the ensuing result would devastating. It rarely is but they can sure come up with some convincing stuff.
MsM: Only problem with Clinton's speech is we still have BHO as president.
What little I watched made me sick. The people that they showed on the camera were holding up ID cards or insurance cards.
Making it look as though everyone gets insurance, when the reality is that our premiums go up. If you happen to have a pre-existing condition, you are automatically placed in the high risk pool. Medicare and Medicaid is being bypassed by many doctors who don't want to go to the trouble of the paperwork.
How would you like to pay $1,000 or more a month for insurance?
It was like getting your dad to come out and defend you from all the bullies by having Clinton speak. Michele didn't look all that impressed either, she kept watching the clock.
As for the language of the platform, it was far more disturbing that they booed when they passed it anyway after three attempts for a majority.
Jesse Jackson kept mumbling nonsense whenever Hannity asked him a straight question. He never made eye contact either.
It seemed to me that instead of painting the town red with hope and renewal. They were using a particularly smelly shade of green and trying to pass it off as a non-toxic version of reality for our next four years.
When you buy a car that is a lemon, do you drive it for four more years or do you trade it off for a more dependable model?
Not only is Clinton a sex abuser (yeah, Dems really respect women, don't they?), his administration helped create the policies that caused the financial meltdown years later. Remember a few years ago when everyone was making obscene amounts of money buy and selling houses? That happened because his administration forced all the banks to make shaky loans to any warm body who wanted a house, regardless of whether they had a job, good credit etc.
KH gal, if Michele Obama looked bored, it was probably because some old white guy was up there on stage rambling on and on and taking the spotlight off her husband. I heard Clinton's speech was almost an hour long! Whew. Talk about holding the American people hostage! Maybe if the liberal idiots re-elect Obama, it will be the second time in her life that Mrs. Obama will be proud of her country.
Buckshot I realized you didn't watch the DNC and I never said you did........I thought you were disturbed because of the posts you left, now I think your confused.
All I said about Clinton is I thought that was the best speech he ever gave.
SW He had an affair with a consenting adult, cheating on his wife and lying not only to her but to the people of our Country, makes him a cheater and a liar but not a sex abuser.
People are so fickle,he embarrassed our Country, lied on National TV about his affair with Monica, and now years later they are tooting him as a great President.
Day 1 of the DNC it had more television viewers then day one of the RNC. SMILE
I thought it was a sign of great desparation to allow Clinton any where near a podium. If he could, he would run again himself.
MsM some light reading for you:
Amazon.com: Their Lives: The Women Targeted by the Clinton ...
www.amazon.com/Their-Lives-Targeted-Clin...... www.amazon.com/Their-Lives-Targeted-Clin......
That Bill Clinton raped, abused and sexually harrassed women on its own is bad enough. There's no need to turn it into some Republican polemic. Read more ...
Buckshot you still are confused, just because I said its the best speech he has ever made doesn't mean that I approve of him Get it??
Who's the illegal alien speaking at the DNC? I haven't heard about this
I was going to ask what you thought of the Nun speaking at the convention but then I realized you didn't watch it. I thought she was a very good speaker.
Skeeter I didn't know Clinton raped anyone and I couldn't get your link to work
I spelled desperation wrong. Sorry. Try googling the book title MSM.
I think the DNC has really upset the Republicans. Notice when the RNC was held there weren't to many posts from the Democrats on the blogs..
I'm seeing a difference
LOL---great posts today from most.
CJW, Buckshot, KH, MH Resident, Skeeter---very nice.
Makes my heart smile.
Obama:
Never has someone thought they did so much but in reality done so little.
There is an opinion piece titled:
Clinton, A Good Lawyer defending a Guilty Client.
Or the Democrats have finally found God.
You have to smile. Both things are very apt.
Ms. Marilyn, no one wants to hear your pathetic posts defending a loser of a President when the country is on the verge of going down the drain in a sea of red ink that Obama created. Your pal Roy of Caldwell had the good sense to call it quits. Why don't you follow his lead? We don't need to be reminded that there's still people out there who are entranced by this idiot President who is selling us out so he can remain in power. Enough already! And yes, Clinton is a sex abuser. You most definitely need a reality check.
Obama 2012
Same Bill Clinton that had his finger on the trigger for bin Laden and failed to pull it?! Twice, I think...
Didn't want to offend the muslim world with the collateral damage it would have caused...
Social Security and Medicare are socialist constructs by nature. They are redistribution. What you pay in almost never equals what you receive. It amazes me that most Conservatives do not point this out. They are so against socialism but give these two programs a free pass. The problem with them is that they are flawed. SS was not designed for people that retire at 65 and live til 90. Medicare/Medicaid is so terribly complex. Just because it seems simple from the end user perspective means nothing. There are so many ins and outs. It is no wonder that it will go bankrupt if no changes are made by 2024 or so.
SW You could use a reality check what makes you think being your pathetic self that I would even think you have anything important to say??
Buckshot you forgot to give the person credit for your copy and paste job.
JCW I wouldn't call it stirring the pot, I call it stirring the Crap
"President [Barack] Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people," Eastwood told the paper. "[Mitt] Romney and [Paul] Ryan would do a much better job running the country, and that's what everybody needs to know. I may have irritated a lot of the lefties, but I was aiming for people in the middle."
This is now the "Make My Day" banter. I just love Clint Eastwood. I thought the empty chair part of his show was GREAT---White House has been empty for nearly 4 years now!
I too liked the empty chair Joke. The sad part of his act is seeing how he has aged and some time in the near future he will be gone, like all the other great performers His showing on the RNC will live on with all of his movies. Something we can all look back on! He's got a new movie coming out, I hope I am lucky enough to see it.
BS61,
It is established fact that SS is not simply a savings account. You pay in for the right to draw from the pool later on in life. There is not a fund designated for each and every person. Yes, your benefits are based on what you contributed throughout your years. However, because what you pay in does not equal what you get it is therefore income redistribution. Some pay more in than they receive and likewise. Those who paid more in than they received are not given a refund. Their previously paid in moneys are redistributed.
Yes, Congress has been abusing it. On a systemic level it is flawed. People live longer than they did in the 1930's. They draw more benefits. We now have those who draw from the fund in the form of disability. Some are legit and some are not. The original framework was designed with the expectation that society would live on average 3 more years after retiring. That is not reality of today. Simply stated, they need to raise the age.
Privatizing it would take the redistribution aspect out of it. The concerns over privatizing something that so many are dependent on are legit. It is a pretty massive entity. However, I am sure that given the autonomy that would come with privatization, it would be more efficient and less prone to abuse.
Talk about a reality check Mr Golf Pro your season is ending soon in more ways then one...
Oh Golf Pro I can't sue you it wasn't my piece you copied... If you get caught for copyright infringement Oh well at least I tried to warn you...
I remember when Bush was in office he tried to privatize social security but got no where with it. The guy did have a few good ideas but got nowhere because of the Democratic controlled senate.
BS61,
Modern socialism can be defined by two words: income redistribution. You have wrote those two words on many an occasion and criticized it. Or it could be possible that your evil twin wrote those posts in the past and you should really keep him in check.
Paying more than you receive and then having that surplus given to someone without one's own express approval is what then? Do employees have the choice to pay FICA or not? Now, I know someone is going to try to convolute this talk about illegals but that is not the topic and they know it.
The best example of socialism is France. France did a lot of what we are gravitating towards today. They had a similar standard of living. Has it worked out? No. Has it been the armageddon spoke of by extremists? No. It is a bit more insidious. How do we judge this to not be a success? France's GDP growth rate has declined at a steady rate since the 1980's with a couple of moderate exceptions.
BS61,
Lets not go there. I, unlike you and others on here, have read most of Das Kapital by Karl Marx. That is where it started and there is no argument there.
Also, all socialist governments have income redistribution embedded in them. If they do not then prove it. No opinion, no rhetoric, no biased/ideological sources.
Not all socialist or socialist-leaning govts. have ownership of the factors of production. That is what we call communism.
Zook,
Those activities that you describe are not examples of socialism or communism. They could be called corruption or totalitarian.
Socialism is simply taking income/resources from one and giving it to another with the hope of ending income inequalities. Because this would never work on a voluntary basis, governments are usually the vehicles of this. Socialism does not concern the ethics of the executive.
BS61,
I am not sure how you have come to believe that I think that the U.S. is a socialist nation. Yes, we have creeped closer and closer to that but we are not quite there. I am not a fan of socialism and have stated it numerous times.
The reason that France is a good example is that they followed a gradual path towards socialism as well. They had a high standard of living prior to this. Through taxes, income redistribution, and heavy govt. involvement in the private sector they have experienced a gradual lack of productivity (GDP growth rate declining). They are a fine example of what we will become if we do not right the ship.
My quip about France was meant to give an example of what socialism does to a nation. Especially when socialism comes not in small increments over time.
What I say is not that different from what you write. I simply try to come at it from an unbiased, objective viewpoint.
"Obama's AIM is to turn this country SOCIALIST......CONTINUED TAKING from the INDUSTRIOUS.....the ACHIEVERS if you will.....coupled with the increasing handouts to the welfare pro's and the illegals.........if you don't see that as SOCIALISM, you wasted a lot of class time and tuition."
That is socialism. However, your previous examples have nothing to do with it. Being an ethical leader and not sidestepping Congress has nothing to do with the allocation of resources. They do not fall under one inclusive umbrella.
Zook,
I am going to let this one go. I am not an Obama fan nor do i care for socialism. We have had this conversation many times and so I am going to stop this retread short.
Back to the topic,
If you listen to Glenn Beck, Micheal Savage, or rush Limbaugh they would have you believe that the world is ending. They would have you believe that anybody that does not agree with 100% is a knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, not even housebroken, neanderthal. Exaggeration and hyperbole are their friends. Take the deficit for example. The consequences of this travesty are not going to cause the world to end if Obama is re-elected.
Liken it to a disease. Most diseases do not kill one in one hour. It is usually a slow, steady process. In this case, it is a slow, steady eroding of the dollar and the financial system. Usually issues that have many causes are ones that took time to develop. To undo the culture of borrowing at free will with no respect for the future, the American people are going to have to start the change. They will then demand the same responsible ways be practiced in govt.
It HAS been a slow, steady process, beginning decades ago with Roosevelt and his New Deal. I think it was Krusheuve (butchered the spelling of that name) that said America would be taken from within, or something like that.
The American people can change all they want and make demands from the government to change. But since when have socialist governments like we have now ever listened to its citizens? No, they think that they are the commanders who tell the masses what to do.
I guess we have new, fancy names now for socialism now---which must make it sound better or okay. That must be what college is teaching the young people these days.
Attempting to make that silk purse out of a sow's ear. Still nothing more that a piggy ear!
Yeah, OM, socialists like to call themselves "progressives" now. I guess that sounds more enlightened, even though there's nothing new or "progressive" about their politics.
You know, I think what we on the right are ignoring, or not willing to admit, is that there's a lot of people in this country that want the U.S. to become a socialist/communist country. You can make the case that Obama hoodwinked or snowed a lot people to get elected, but if he gets re-elected, to me that means that his brand of governing is what people want. Even despite the liberal media, there's been enough anti-Obama information that has managed to seep through. Several movies have been circulating showing the truth about Obama, as well as two anti-Obama books are on the N.Y. Times bestseller list. And now he's got a dismal 4 year record that people are aware of. People know him now and how he has run the country. Sadly, I have to conclude that, if Obama gets re-elected, it won't be a "snow job" this time around, but what people want. As I mentioned, I saw the movie "2016" with my daughter and son-in-law. I asked for their reaction after the movie was over. They said, "Well, we guess Obama is probably a Socialist". But then they kind of shrugged, like "so what". I think that body language spoke volumes.
SW, you are correct. Kind of like the local WECRD election the last time around. There were 2 really good people that ran---people who were involved with what the WECRD was doing (and opposed it) and knew the history like the back of their hands. Yet, "the people" voted in the same old, same old. So it must be what "the people" wanted. Kind of a bitter pill. To know that the morons vote these folks in and the masses pay for those mistakes. Sad but true.
Buckshot, you are so right with your last post. There really should be some sort of a test before people are allowed to vote.
Well, OM, I would say that there's not even a whisper of a chance that any of the current WECRD Directors will get re-elected in the next election (I think 2014, but not sure) if they haven't broken ground on a Rec Center before then. Then I guess the Rec District would either be dissolved or maybe the other two people you mentioned might have a go at it again, and will probably win by a landslide. I think what they were offering was to build something more like an Event Center than a Rec Center. But what the heck, at this point I think people would just be glad if ANYTHING was built, don't you?
Socialism is simply income redistribution. No more and no less. The other unsavory aspects of Obama and the other politicians are extraneous (at least when it comes to their being socialistic or not). The fact that we have adopted programs that are socialist in nature does not mean a whole lot. It would just be refreshing if they would admit it and move on. There is plenty of room left to adopt free market policies.
BS61,
You are jumping to conclusions. Assumptions are rarely, if ever, correct. I could assume a ton of things about you. Do I follow them? No. There has to be a reason.
The rampant comparisons between Obama and Hitler are little more than creative rationalizations. I could connect the price of cottage cheese in 1952 with production of barbed wire in 1990 if I tried hard enough. It does not mean that one affects the other or that the two are in any way similar. Feel free to blow your own horn and pretend to be superior. It's all good.
SW,
It boils down to whether you believe the government is at the whim of the people or vice versa. I am one that believes that the people are the true decision makers. You may disagree and that is fine if you do.
Zook,
The economic gains that Hitler achieved were done solely by force. Most people will work harder and faster if there was a gun to their head. The citizens had little choice but to work hard. Pol Pot tried the same thing later on and we all know how that worked out.
BS61,
Simmer down there. You cross the line quite often. If you were being perfectly civil, you would leave out the labels that you regularly use such as cheerleaders, idiots, and so on. Again, it's all good.
Left wing pundits, eh? Who exactly would these be? You are aware that I do not watch network TV nor do I listen to talk radio. Hmmm... so again who are these people that I supposedly parrot. I have a long history on this blog and many others of thinking for myself. Do my posts usually resemble anybody else's on here? No.
I base my conclusions on real life experience and factual evidence that does not come from biased political websites, pundits, magazines, etc. My evidence comes from sources such as the BLS, BEA, Census, and so on. they are imperfect but then I do not have to worry about the numbers being biased to fit one agenda or another.
As for real life experience, I feel I have a relatively unique viewpoint. Grew up in the trailer park, the son of a carpenter and a maid. There is only one college grad on either side of the family ever other than me. A long line of blue collar, salt of the earth folk. I admire them for the most part. I have acquired their work ethic and it has helped me in life. Combine that with the fact that I have done the jobs that no one likes to do. Janitor, Fruit picker, dishwasher, concrete laborer, and garbage man. Not bad professions but I feel that my skills are better used analyzing things and picking them apart. To each, their own.
Oh well, I have this Hitler debate dozens of times and do not feel like having yet another re-run. If you really want to delve into the history of Hitler, let me know.
Now you've run afoul of "The One", twilcox.
There are a greater number of dissimilarities between Hitler and our President . The " Hitler " argument is purely for panic , and has been used by left and right at their convenience.
If national socialism is his agenda, why wouldn't he have been aggressively pursuing that agenda from day 1? Has he been relying on the uncertainty of a reelection before greasing the skids of democracy?
We'll all view events differently for sure. Anyone who had to sit through "What You Are Is Where You Were When " knows that.
Dave,
Yeah, he has been trying to tear me down since my first post. It happens.
The Hitler comparison is just for shock value,I agree. I have two relatives that are native Germans. No, they were not alive during the reign of Hitler. They were both born during his time. Long story made short, I trust their perspective on this more than some biased American reading biased literature.
Back to the topic,
Romney/Ryan have shown that they are just as weak as Obama and all of the others. They have both bowed to special interests. That is really the number one thing that I want to see. I want a candidate that can say no to them. A candidate that has the courage to make the necessary cuts. A candidate that can just tell us how it is. No slick speeches. However, that candidate is a fantasy. I need to adjust my expectations.
NO TWILL........YOU DONT NEED TO ADJUST EXPECTATIONS WE NEED TO FIND A WAY NOT TO HAVE WHO THEY WANT SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS.I dont have a problem with what needs to be done I have a problem with how they propose to do it.They cant do it as long as special interest is running the show.None of this is hard to fix and could be started today.SOME COMMON SENSE, BASIC CONCEPTS OF INTEGRITY AND LEADERSHIP WOULD GO A LONG WAY,WITH THE BACKBONE TO HOLD PEOPLES FEET TO THE FIRE.
Twill I ADMIRE YOUR PATIENCE.THEY will get there wish soon enough and they can reenforce each other because that's all that will be here.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a passing thought. Nazi Germany took great care to keep meticulous records of everything. There are still warehouses full of said records.
Hitler offered the war-torn Germans a way out financially from their economic nightmare after WWI. He robbed the rich to give everyone their fair share. Guess who the rich were in this particular book?
We are doomed to repeat history unless we learn our lessons. you do not borrow from Peter to pay Paul. Money is simply getting shifted around and not in a good way. No one is living within their means. Some of us do a better job than others. Budget cuts do not have to start with sacred political cows, but intead with the tremendous amount of waste and a 20% across the board salary cuts by elected officials.
No Politician will have clear-cut answers about the economy. But one thing is for certain, Obama has made a bad thing worse and is still not offering solutions--only blame.
Hitler was endearing to the German people because he offered everyone a free ride and then after he was elected, sprung the big holocaust surprise.
I wonder what our prize will be at the bottom of the cracker jacks box?
Although I support this President, I have no interest in a handout.
I do support the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but
I'm not willing to herd any of my fellow citizens ( or non-citizens for that matter) off a cliff.
The citizens of this country have been relied upon to deliver us from evil, provide the technical expertise that is the backbone of a successful space program, and countless other advancements and we continue to move forward because we are blessed with a drive to do what is right. I believe we can make it work.
Yes, because the last 4 years are so filled with "promise" (broken) and "change" (same old-same old). History indicates future. Here is your sign!
God help us if Obama "wins" in November. He will certainly go down as the worst POTUS this country has ever seen. Move over Jimmy---there is a new King in town!
Zook,
For the umpteenth time, I am not an Obama supporter. I would be more than happy to see Ron Paul get elected. I tear apart all politicians though. I view them all as being equally worthless. It really amazes me how people tear down Obama and then pretend that Romney/McCain are really all that different. The two parties operate much the same way. They are all spineless panderers that change their tune at the drop of a hat.
This has been around for quite a while but it is somewhat humorous to read. This is from an Amazon discussion forum.
FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.
PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all of the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.
BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and put them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs as the regulations say you need.
FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.
PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.
RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.
CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. The government takes both of them and shoots you.
DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.
PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.
REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.
BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.
PURE ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.
LIBERTARIAN/ANARCHO-CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.
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This has been circulating around since the 80s, at least. This version was found at http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/politi...
Edit:
American Representative Democracy: You have two cows. The commercial mega dairy next door doesn't want to compete with anyone, so it has the feds raid you for selling unadulterated milk.
This may relate to the Edit.
http://m.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinio...
OK........
THE DEPT IS UP......TRUE
TAXES ARE UP........NOT TRUE
UNEMPLOYMENT IS UP..TRU...1% OVER WHEN TOOK OFFICE
GASE AND DEISEL UP..TRUE...THE OIL CO's blame hurricane season
FOOD IS UP....... DROUGHT AND FUEL COST
FORECLOSURES ARE UP....TRUE....IN SOME AREAS,FALLING IN OTHERS
FORGIEN AID IS UP.....TRUE
SUPPORT FOR ILLEGALS UP.....?????
CRIME IS UP......NOT TRUE
PRODUCTIVITY IS DOWN......???
CREDIT RATING DOWN.....TRUE.....LOOK AT CONGRESS
WORLD RESPECT IS DOWN......NOT TRUE
HOME VALUES DOWN.......TRUE....THAT'S THE BANKS.
BORDER SECURITY DOWN......NOT TRUE
NATIONAL DEFENSE GOING DOWN.......NOT TRUE
I would think that we could look at things a little more rational.This is not a defense but and excercise in being fair and speaking what is real.IT is fine to hate this president,it is not fine to miss represent what he has and has not done.IT is also wrong to miscatergorize intent,I had a problem with that happening to BUSH after katrina it was wrong then and it's wrong now.I am well aware of the faults of this administration and have said so,and when need be have castigated it.Just because people will not denergrate this man to suit others stereotypical needs does not mean that they support.I would suggest to you that the more and the harsher the tone the more defense he gets.
I would also suggest that rep BAHOENER,CANTER AND SENATOR MC CONNAL DESREVE SOME OF YOUR HATE AND DISCONTENT,could you direct some of the rehtoric there way??????
ALL this doomsday rehtoric needs to cease and desist it serves no usefull purpose........got to go have business to take care off..........later
The one area given above where Obama has failed markedly is the credit rating. It is going to take a very long time to fix that mistake.
Right on.
There has been increased domestic production of oil in the last three years and yet prices have not dropped. There are many explanation for that. Of which, I am going to leave to the rest of you. The following link tells the story for me.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display...
One small tidbit. Most of this increased production is not due to any decision made by Obama or Bush. It is being done on private land and so the government is outside of the process. If drilling in ANWR and the Green River Basin was to occur, then I am sure that prices would fall. How much? No one can know for sure.
See, this is what having a discerning eye can do. Propaganda by the Left would have you think the increase in domestic production is proof that Obama has done something good. When in fact, if you look closer, you can see that it is just... propaganda.
Idiots and those who follow the lead without question have existed since humanity began. The modern era is just a continuation of that.
Twilcox, That's an interesting link. Confirms what I've suspected for quite some time.
ZOOK......Present force levels were calculated based on the need for the surge.There is no need for those forces at present so you reduce the size of the force back to pre surge levels,what is the problem??? wE NEED TO CLOSE OVERSEAS INSTALLATIONS AND PLACE THOSE FORCES IN COUNTRY.That would save millions.And they would still be able to respond. Why do we need more than what we had at the beginning of this fiasco,what does that satisfy and how does it affect national security??iT DOESNT, WE JUST THINK WE SHOULD HAVE MORE WEAPONS THAN ANYONE ELSE.We will be weakened if you cannot train and equip what you have and that should be the priority,rearm,retrain,replace that is what makes us a force to be reckoned with.EXAMPLE......TOP GUN,RED FLAG,GREEN FLAG ETC JOINT SERVICE EXCERCISES WHICH NEED TO BE PERFECTED.We dont win based on numbers,we win because nobody can afford to train like we do.That is the game breaker.
The Jewish prime minister was shown displeasure at some of his rehtoric.He doesnt get to say anything he wants directed at the president.Now he has turned around and said the OBAMA administration has aided Israel more than any other administration.Now how come you dont mention that??? ALSO we cannot let Israel lead us to war because they want to go there.ISNT 11 yrs of war enough or should we have one going at all times???.WE will not abandon Israel,that is a national policy issue but we should not be dictated to by them on when we use deadly force and it will be deadly.
I know you have your pet peeves ZOOK but please look at the whole picture,especially when it comes to the use of the military........
played the botanical gardens last week was a great one to play makes you feel appreciated.............later
I guess Israel is the fruit of the one UN backed action that we ought to go to war to protect?
On the topic of gas prices and domestic oil production, it matters not whether this would create one job or one million. Some lefties try to talk smack (I know there is a better way to say that but you get the point) and point out that it would not create all that many jobs. It might be true but I do not care nor really should most Americans. All that matters is that the jobs would be sustainable. No matter how few, they would be sustainable for many years. That is what we need more than anything. More jobs is fine but they are a bit hollow if they will not last or pay so low as to not stimulate the economy past simple retail.
Oh please "Most Hindsightful One" please let us know what assumptions we should be making?
Twilcox, I agree with your last post. I believe that one of the reasons why this recovery is so sluggish is of the uncertainty in the world economy. Industrial production reportedly rose last July (not sure of the date) but without a world market, and other countries monetary policies (along with all sorts of other variables) contributing to the tangle, it seems to me any manufacturer is going to need to be highly selective to the product they provide a market. Unemployment rates in Spain and Greece are amazingly high and I think that has significance as well. A new economy will emerge from this and it is unnerving. I hope it isn't going to emerge in a bubble.
Why Thank You Bucky!
Lamont:
The Prime Minister of Israel has denied making any such statement.
I think that everyone can agree that huge mistakes been made all around. If we can quit beating the dead horse and say it is time to start over, maybe we can get something accomplished for once.
The nation building for Japan and Germany was with a very different type of people. We probably wouldn't have had the 2nd World War, if we had tried that the first time after 1919.
What very few people realize is that Iraq and Afghanistan have been enslaved in poverty and dictatorships for so long, that they do not realize how to liberate themselves for a sustained period of time.
We keep expecting a different type of behavior from a group of people who do not value life as we do.
There can be no nation building when the very foundation is compromised by greed, and fanatical behavior.
The entire world has gone mad and no, we cannot stem the tide of mob-like mentality that we witness every day. No group of people is more entitled than another group.
When we all feel as though we can each do our own thing, chaos reigns instead of the greater good.
I don't believe the President is not outraged. But what sort of "decisive action" do you propose? Who do we take action against?
BS61,
My last post post was a bit random. I was on another blog and someone was going on about how the Keystone pipeline and ANWR would not produce all that many jobs. The thought being that Americans would still complain because those two projects did not alleviate everybody's problem. That 500 jobs was not even a drop in the bucket.
At first, I read it and thought that the person had a point. It got me to thinking(dangerous and all) and then it brings me back to Nevada. Nevada is starting to create jobs but they are all low skill. They are either based on gambling/tourism or the warehouse. Warehouse because of Nevada's very favorable tax structure. However, these low end jobs have not stimulated the economy much.
If we started drilling today in ANWR or began work on the Keystone pipeline, those jobs would stimulate the economy in both the locales near where the work is being done but regionally as well. It would take a while for the benefits to spread but that is life. My contention is that they would be sustainable. Sustainable being defined as being steady and long term. The compensation would be enough to spur economic activity beyond just retail.
So, besides energy independence another reason to get this ball rolling is that it would help the economy. It may not bring prices down enough to keep everyone happy but they would be good jobs.
Wow. Is that an example of the benevolence you were referring to back on Sunday Sept. 02 @ 0803 (this thread)? Or were you feeling benevolent that Sunday?
CJW...the presidents tax returns are out there to be seen......most of his money is derived from his book sales .You probally wont believe that but look it up for yourself and those sales took of after he got elected.SO THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BEFORE AND AFTER.....IT'S ALL IN THE RETURNS.
I see that Buckshot61 responded to my questions re: what sort of "decisive action" and what the targets should be. Anyone else notice he just deflects questions and berates? Maybe he'll have an answer when all the talking heads decide what the line will be.
DAVE.........IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME......BUT PROJECTION IS THE NAME OF THE GAME........SO YOU KNOW YOU ARE GUILTY OF DEFLECTION AND BERATING.GIVE IT A MINUTE !!!!!!!!!
Naw.....I betting on a lengthy un attributed cut & paste job. Or.......his/her posse..... will show up to....... muddy the water.
Bush wasn't that great in my book but I think he did have it right when 11 years ago he said, "The search is under way for those who are behind these evil acts. I have directed the full resources of our intelligence and law-enforcement communities to find those responsible and to bring them to justice." "We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them." Pakistan took notice and it made Musharraf pucker up.
Not only did the present administration apologize to the Muslims but the President went on to say today, "while the US rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others we must all unequivocally oppose .. senseless violence." Is he serious, that's your response. This President is in way over his head and is making us all look like a big joke.
SORRY KT that was not a response that statment was made before other acts took place.His response was within what should have been said as soon as he was notified of what had happened.......and he did state they would pursue and hopefully get the right people.I dont have much dought that will happen.SO ck the time line on the incident.Even the right said romney was wrong......and there not trying to clean it up very much.
Buckshot61, You found the time to write a lengthy deflection. You could have used that time to answer the questions I asked yesterday.
The people of Egypt elected their gov't. The Libyans threw out a dictator so that they may have elections as well. Those governments will have their own agendas. We may not always like the results of their elections, but it was their election after all.
CJW.....I dont really expect anyone who is on the right to read his book however you cannot denergrate him for doing it. The book was on the best seller list for quite some time.DO YOU DENERGRATE CARL ROVE or George Bush ,Bill clinton for writting books.Romney is not being demonized for making money he is being demonized for lying about how he does it.The big difference is being elected president and you know that.DID any of your friends read Collin Powells book??POINT being if you or your friends are not intrested in the subject or the author you are not going to buy or read the book.Also for your info the FIRST lady didnt get paid chump change at her job.BY the way what is actual work??BECAUSE ROMNEY DIDNT WORK ANY MORE, OR LESS THAN THE PRESIDENT.They both shuffled papers.
Hey Guys Here you go........ Obama's money theres 2 pages to read.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-barack...
Makes me think of underage smoking which I think should of been left up to parents for punishment not the police.
CJW......SO I DONT GET IN AND ARGUMENT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REAL......THE insults thrown at BIDEN PALE IN COMPARISON TO WHAT IS THROWN AT THE president.I have read some of the same books you have but GEN powells book held a special place for me he is a NEW YORKER,HE HAS THE SAME HERITAGE I DO (west INDIAN).BEING IN THE SAME AGE GROUP WE WENT THE SAME PLACES AND DID A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS.tHINGS IN IS FAMILY MIRRORED MINE AND HE WENT TO THE SAME SCHOOL MY 1 ST WIFE ATTENDED.I ACTUALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME LAUGHING FOR ME IT WAS A GREAT READ.I got to reminise about days gone by.
A good book is a good book and given the acclaim given the presidents book about his upbringing etc I thought your comments insulting and at the least dismissive. What I dont understand is why there has to be and insult prior to any comment concerning this man......like that moron said this.......or baloney fluff book.The best seller list says it was more than that.
For your info CJW I have even read books by white supremist.I like to know why people think the way that they do.MILITARY history is history and the people who wrote those books have a unique insight into things that others do not posses,and I dont care what branch of service they served in......well I hope that clarify's got to go have a gig to play.....STOP trying to pigeon hole me......I really dont care about the color of your skin I do care if you are a fair person......that is all.
Dave Thompson, before you criticize Buckshot for not answering the questions you posed the other day, which I think he did in full, why don't you try answering the question Bazooka asked you several days ago???? To refresh your memory, he asked what you thought Obama has done the last 3 years to earn another four years. Try answering that one if you can. We'll all be waiting with baited breath. LOL.
All right.
First off, I agree with the common view that we are in the mess we're in now because the people we've continued to send to D.C. have been wearing out the toes of their shoes kicking our problems down the road one election cycle at a time.
That being said, Presidents pass down to one another, and what a President walks into is what a President walks into. It's the way the job is.
To be fair, President Obama came into office at the beginning of a steep decline in our economy. It wasn't President Bush's fault, it wasn't President Clinton's fault, it wasn't Henry Paulsen's fault, it wasn't Tim Geithner's fault.I feel most betrayed by the sector of the economy where the majority of the wealth lay at the time of the meltdown. Men took my investment money and made irrational investments based on a model that assumes irrational people, consumers and other investors alike, will somehow behave rationally when making financial decisions.
The downgrading of the nation's credit rating was unfortunate, but I took it with a grain of salt. The credit rating agency that the US fell from grace with was the same credit rating agency that had given rubber stamped AAA ratings to highly risky complicated investment products that were really nothing more than junk.
To complicate matters, the world wide economy has faltered as well. It's a big, competetive world and The United States must remain connected to all of the essential parts in order to maintain a relevant role in the world's economy. And I believe it has.
I believe in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for reasons that come from some sad events through my life. I have posted my thoughts on this on another post, but I'll add them here.
I retired after serving our country too. And if one of the purposes of my service was to diminish the worldwide influences our country's enemies have so that our country might take a percentage of the money that is spent to keep us safe and use it to keep us all healthier, my service time has been well spent. To me the priority of healthcare comes second to national defense and is certainly no less a important. Because of the continuing sacrifices of our men and women in uniform, the chances of being killed by a terrorist are much, much lower; they're far lower than dying from a preventable or curable disease, such as tuberculosis, diabetes and the complications that arise, or just dying because you can't afford to live.
Literally your money or your life.
We should take care of one another because none of us asked to be on this earth, and by the Grace of whomever or whatever we praise, we are fortunate enough to live in a country as blessed as the United States.
Corpsman? Where'd you get corpsman?
No. I didn't.
You got your blog posts mixed up didn't you?
Get a little mixed up on which rant you were on?
How embarrassing for you
And you want me to believe your facts.
You have no facts.
None.
You are a shill.
I read the following in the Reno newspaper today. It is quite profound, in my opinion.
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After watching both conventions, my immediate impression is of a new generation gap -- not the one I grew up with, which defined an era of discontent, but a fearsome new gap between adolescence and adulthood. Let me explain.
When disaster strikes, adolescents point fingers and assign blame. Adults look for causes, seeking to improve the process. Adolescents distort reality, distracting focus from the facts of the disaster, minimizing their share in the "blame" and relentlessly pursue goals of instant gratification. Adults seek lasting long-term solutions, knowing if a problem is not appropriately analyzed and corrected, it will recur. Most of all, adolescents do their best to control and manipulate others' lives, believing they have the only truth. Adults know that as humans we are all imperfect, and that only by acting together with mutual trust and respect, can we win the day.
None of this has to do with age, only with growth. Please, let us become a nation of adults.
Amen.
THANKS DAVE.AND TWILL......sure could have done without a contrite response,but that seems all that is ever offered.HOW a job works....hello !!!!SO BUSY ....trying to put us in our places they cant keep track of there garbage.What happened to being perfect???????? HA !!!!!!!
BS61,
There are plenty of Conservatives that are less than brilliant or mature. Identifying oneself as a Conservative or Republican does not automatically mean that one is mature, rational, or smart. It is just an arbitrary choice based on emotions just look that of religious affiliation.
Thanks for the reply, Dave. Once again, I have to agree with Buckshot. Just because you were born here doesn't mean you're owed anything, like "free" healthcare which, in reality, is never free. I also suggest you move to Canada if socialized medicine is so important to you. The reality is that the majority of Americans didn't wan't Obamacare because most of us know that our country can't afford it. I don't understand why you liberals don't "get" that our country can't continue on with all the debt we borrow. We are going bankrupt as a nation. The Republicans are the only ones that seem to understand this and are trying to something about it.
Inept foreign policy is only one of his failures. We are looking at a failed presidency. Immigration, jobs, energy policy, debt and a lot more. Maybe someone should make a tee time if they want to talk to him about Iran. BHO would probably think he was a caddy.
SW Yeah health care isn't important. Let's let them poor folks die, we can't afford medical treatment for them. I know lets give the Wealthy a tax break instead! Oh and lets continue to let the big corporations do business in another country. Lets give Our Presidential Candidate a wink and a smile each time he adds more money to his bank account over in the Cayman Islands, but lets not give health care to our poor! What a Plan!!
Buckshot I think Rasmussen is the only polling site that is giving that to him. Obama is still ahead even after that DNC bounce, and he's ahead in just about everything they take polls about.
You got that wrong. Obamacare doesn't let people suffer financial ruin when they have a disease like cancer. The insurance company's aren't allowed to stop paying for their care once they reach a high amount like a million dollars. They have to keep paying their share for their clients treatments.
Oh and back in 08 I never looked at the polls, I didn't need to ............... I knew Obama would win! I have woman's intuition or as some call it "Gut Feeling"
CJW I hope when Obama is re-elected you will take a hike, America doesn't need a cry baby like you. America needs men who are men not little boys who like to see on a blog site and insult senior citizens......... You could learn alot from the elderly. Your to big for your britches !!
Oh and for those that critique spelling I met to say America needs men who are men not little boys who like to SIT on a blog site and insult senior citizens, and I might add my boys were taught much better then that.
Hhahahaha! CJW I might be elderly but I ain't poor! Geeeeeeez I hate to see a grown man cry!
ps. I leave lovely comments for the brave, not the weak............... bye bye see you later stop by for coffee!
Back to the topic,
I tend not to rail on about foreign policy decisions because I have not walked in those shoes and know that there is far more to the story than what we hear in the media. A lot of details and back story go into those decisions. I do not care for what Obama has done but find it hard to tear it down completely.
As for Obamacare, think about this one. In the business world, we have a concept called moral hazard. It is the tendency of a person to engage in risky behavior because they know that they will not have to bear the full costs of their actions if their risks do not work out. This risky behavior could come in the form of smoking, drinking excessively, poor diet, engaging in extreme sports, or even just being lazy. Either way, the person is going to be less careful. This is going to lead to increased health care costs. It may not show up immediately but given time the costs will rack up. Simply stated, everyone should be responsible for themselves. Not the government, not the employer, and not society as a whole.
Two years ago, I broke my right arm during a mountain bike crash. I could have applied for assistance. I had insurance but a considerable chunk was not covered. Did I seek assistance? No. Was I flush with cash? No. I simply found a way to pay off the bill and move on. Can everybody do that? Probably not. However, they should go into situations like this feeling that they should take full responsibility. If they know that there is an easy way out then why try to pay for it all?
Well I guess he got that all figured out now along with the Supreme Court.
Buckshot, like you said, "no fool like an old fool." Would serve her right if she did get a disease, and Obama's healthcare government panel said she's too old to spend money on.
MsM:
If you think that Obamacare is going to pay endless doctor bills for people with cancer---you are sadly mistaken. The picking and choosing of who gets what will begin. If you are old and have cancer it is likely that you will not get much care---far less than someone 24. If you have other health issues it is likely that those conditions will also play into just what they CHOOSE to do for you (and it will be all about choice). See, this will be a business of sorts. Insure the masses but spend the least amount "we" can.
Unless someone reins in healthcare costs and RX costs, etc. the system will REMAIN BROKEN.
This is not going to "fix" things. An "he double hockey stick" load of money will be spent on this and it will not work. The poor have medicaid and the charity offered through the hospitals as well as various county programs.
So now, the middle class will not only pay to support another healthcare program but we will also pay for higher premiums as well.
At what point will the morons see that OUR Govenment is going to bring us to our knees and enjoy watching the show as it happens? It started with people losing their homes and moves on through this.
Then we turn our back on Israel! The smart ones know how this story ends.
SW No need to fret. Don't worry about me getting a disease I already have had 2 of them for over 20 years and they will never go away.....
I have a saying "when I'm dead I'm dead"
I would also like to throw out here, that you and Buckshot amuse me, that's why I keep coming back for more of your drivel.........
Buckshot it was predicted back on May 21 1994 the world would come to an end. What Obama said was when he was a senator and neither one of those statements came true.
I'm awake.... and I know who I am voting for and why I am voting for Obama
Twilcox, we took the same approach with college education. Three degrees paid for in cash. We didn't want the loan debt and there's more money in the pool for someone who may need it more. I take the same approach to the VA medical care I'm entitled to due to my disability rating. I do not use VA healthcare because the men and women coming back from the conflicts of the past decade should get help before I do
I know they've had a significantly more challenging duty than I did.
MsMarilyn, Some Humans Ain't Human - John Prine
Hang in there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB2E6RX7W...
NOBODY TURNED THERE BACK ON ISRAEL..........NETENYAHU STATED ...THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HAD DONE MORE FOR ISRAEL THAN ANY OTHER.......WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT??? SO he didnt meet with him when he wanted the meeting happens all the time,Would it be such a big deal if the tables had been reversed because I am sure it has happened the other way also.WE have pledged to defend Israel,we are talking American blood again not being spent on Americans.WE will live up to the pledge it's a matter of national policy and morality.We dont have to do that on ISRAELS TERMS.I am by no means anti ISRAEL QUITE THE CONTRARY.
I am with you Dave I paid for all my childrens educations for the same reasons and the same for the V.A.AMERICA has never been every man for himself so why and how did this become and issue??DO we long for the soup lines in the streets again it makes you wonder.SO how much is a life worth??aND FOR ME PERSONALLY TERMINAL CANCER AT 80 i WILL SAY THANKYOU FOR THE TIME I have been here and it is now time to go.I will not devestate my family but that's me. To each his own. WELL GOTTA GO .......LATER
Yes, maybe it has gone the other way but I bet the other side was not off to VEGAS!!!
Hey man, not every post I make has something to do with you. Chill.
All the best to you lamont.
So MsM and Lamont will let the government decide when it's time for them to go. Good for them. I for one want to make my own decision about that. If I'm 80 yrs old with cancer and not ready to go, it should be my decision if I want to continue treatment, not the governments. Liberals want to hand over the reigns of controlling their lives to the government. Republicans and conservatives have always been more independent type people who think they know better about running their own lives then some faceless government bureaucracy.
WELL SECOND WIND I DONT KNOW WERE YOU GOT THAT IDEA.As it stands right now unless you are super heavily insured you will break your family financially with treatment for some cancers.WHAT i am saying is I will not have that happen to my family and it doesnt have anything to do with the govt.DONT try and say what you think I would and deal with what I said.Nowhere did I say the govt would make that decision for me,I already know what It will be.
YOU showed your bias when you made it a liberal conservative thing rather than a human thing.Liberal or conservative cost is cost,speaking of which dont you conservatives get tired of trying to put words in peoples mouths while blowing your own horn.I DONT KNOW TO MANY PEOPLE WHO WANT GOVT RUNNING THERE LIVES,INCLUDING ME.I just dont want some bigot doing it either........have a good day.
Amen lamont!
BUCKSHOT.......NO MORE OR LESS THAN YOU CAN RESIST THE INSULTS.......SO DONT TRY THAT HOLIER THAN THOU ON ME.YOU insult people EVERY post so give it a break.THE BIGOTRY I AM TALKING ABOUT COULD BE,SEXUAL,RACIAL,RELIGIOUS,AGE ANY NUMBER OF THINGS SO YOUR ASSUMPTION IS JUST THAT AND ASSUMPTION.IF I wanted to be specific I am capable of doing that, again trying to put words in peoples mouths.
Oh please! Calling someone a bigot isn't the same as calling that person a racist. Give the racial deflection a rest. It's clear your bigoted so don't make it worse and become a whining bigot.
Government health care by the same government that has shown that about any adventure they get into is either bankrupted, inflates the costs to consumers, or is a never ending reason to raise taxes and make hard-working Americans come under their control.
Is Obama care going to be run in the manner of all their other programs? Prices for health care and insurance will go up and service will go down if we look at the history of government run programs.
I wonder how the law suits will be handled?
SKEETER I AM not sure but from what I understand here the govt controls or at least administers the insurance part of it.The laws make it impossible to do some exslusionary things,like drop you because of cost etc,pre exisiting conditions etc.Now at some point there could be a situation where the govt is making health care decision on and individual basis but that is not what is there right now.I would think the law suites situation would be the same as always as long as the govt is not making individual health care decisions.This program to me is like the difference when we were transitioning between fuel injected cars and the hollow body carb.....if that makes any sense.IF this program does not grow a tail of it's own it might be good the govt tends to grow itself and then the cost go up etc.we dont need monitors to monitor the monitors etc.......you know the drill.So lets see what happens before we dismiss things out of hand.MY OPINION......
Buckshot, you are in good company. Zook and I are "bigots" too according to some on here. It is all good. I would rather be a bigot than a head in the sand moron.
Yes, Obama will save as all---when pigs (kosher of course) have wings and fly.
Government can't even run Government. I am sure this will be a huge mess as well. Monkeys belong in a zoo---not on the Hill.
Yes, what a joke indeed but few will be laughing.
BUCKSHOT YOU MUST HAVE A GUILTY CONSIENCE.....MY COMMENT WAS THAT I DIDNT WANT SOME BIGOT MAKING DECISION FOR ME AND YOU TAKE IT THAT SOMEONE CALLED YOU A BIGOT.....How did you get that out of what I SAID?? Again saying what you want said not what was said.YOUR propaganda concerning death panels is intresting also.I find nothing wrong with end of life counciling but that is me.If your smart at some time you will have that conversation directly or indirectly with your doctor and your lawyer.FUNNY NOBODY I know said they wanted the govt to take over health care.Now that could be a matter of symantics but I dont want the govt in the doctors office,I do want the govt to get the insurance company's out of THE BUSINESS OF ripping us off.TO THAT END IS WHAT I WANT THE GOVT TO DO.SO if you consider that taking over health care so be it,but it's not.THE height of stupidty is when you close your mind to ideas other than your own.I can tell you this if I operated that way in namm I would be dead.....
I DONT DISMISS THINGS OUT OF HAND.I know what we are taxed on some are reasonable and some are not however just because those other taxes are in place is not a reason to dismiss something.MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE OTHER TAXES OR BETTER YET HOW ABOUT CUTTING ALL THE GIVE AWAYS IN FORGIEN AID AND LOWER OUR TAXES ACROSS THE BOARD.I AM WELL AWARE OF GOV WASTE BUT I WILL NOT BE AGAINST SOMETHING THAT HELPS 46 MIL PEOPLE AND MORE OVER THE LONG TERM OUR PEOPLE.yOU CAN FEEL ANY WAY YOU WANTI am not denergrating you for that I suggest you do the same.I stated very clearly I dont want them in doctors offices.Nothing ever makes sense to you unless we echo your position.You are not the last word.Nothing is lost I am just not anti government everything and that goes against the grain with you.You dont want to pay any taxes, you want every man for himself,you just want a free for all as long as it doesnt affect you.That is your perogative it doesnt mean we all have to agree and it doesnt mean we have to be insulted because that is the way YOU FEEL.YOU want to change the government then you should enter politics and get something done.....later
Hey Buckshot you need to research some more.
First off if you have an existing health insurance policy and you get the diagnosis of Pancreatic Cancer, and your insurance has a cap of 1 million dollars for your treatments, your done!! .........However with Obamacare your insurance company cannot deny you more treatments. Therefore your still covered until your treatments are complete.
Also if you have a pre-existing condition you cannot be deny health insurance from a private health insurance provider.
MY IGNORANT OPINION........YOU CANT HELP YOURSELF CAN YOU IT IS EITHER THAT OR YOU SAY THOSE THINGS ESPECIALLY TO ME ON PURPOSE.There is always a gotcha or some snide remark either before or after your statments buckshot, NOT JUST SOMETIME EVERY TIME......What makes you think it's ok or do you think it's ok because your doing it to me specifically.IT would seem no matter how cordial and attempt is to stay out of that garbage you insist that it's ok to do it to me.All you do by doing that is showing what you are all about.Now some here might find what you do to be ok, for the same reasons, he's doing it to him ,but reality is you have two ways of talking to people one way for whites and another for minority's and the proof is right here on these blogs.I am the one you always have something insulting to say to.DAVE called you what you are. The thing is why dont you own up to it and be proud ,you let us all know in so many different ways.
Being called ignorant by you is almost a compliment you eptomize the word.YOUR cheering section may think your cool but really your not,your just a bully using the blogs to attempt to satisfy your need to push people around,we push back here too......you should remember that.
BS If Romney gets elected he said he is going to keep some things in Obamacare. He's back pedaling!! Every speech he made in the last year he has said he will repeal Obamacare, now because he is trailing behind Obama in the polls, he says he's keeping in some things. Here's a question, what does he want to keep in?
Trailing Obama in what polls, oh, you mean the lamestream democrat-biased MSNBC polls, etc. Try looking at the much more respected Rasmussen poll and see what their numbers say.
Lamont - yawn! Can't you ever think of anything else to say besides someone on here is bigoted! You're one big broken record. Serves me right for actually reading your post instead of skipping it. I'll know better next time.
A person walks outside and notices that the sky is blue. He says the obvious, "The sky is blue". Leaving it at that. No examining, no further study. Just state the obvious and have no judgments to offer.
That is fine but what if the sky was supposed to be blue but was not. Sometimes, we need to examine why the sky was blue in the past and why it is not now. What factors led to the sky being blue and what factors are making it not be blue now. In an ideal situation, the person would be completely objective. They would state what is not what should be or what they want it to be. Not letting bias, opinion, or ingrained predisposed ideas cloud the final analysis. The above situation does not happen in politics. It is truly sad because if we simply studied why things are the way they are and left blame, partisan-squabbling, and stereotypes out we could come to some consensus. In the meantime, all we do is bicker like middle school kids. Filled with assumptions, posturing, and cleverly worded attempts at telling the other that you are better than them.
SW I see you had time to critique my comment but didn't have the time to answer my question. I ask again what parts of Obamacare does Romney want to leave in?
I usually check more then one poll and I have never looked at a MSNBC poll. I look at the Rasmussen poll every day and done a research on it as to how accurate it is and found it leans Republican while the Gallop Poll leans Democrat.
IT'S simple buckshot stop putting insults in your statements before and after.I DONT GET INTO MOST BUT YOU JUST DID THE SAME GARBAGE TO TWILL.IT never stops except to the people who echo your sentiments.I dont care what second wind does at least he is not insulting whats your exscuse????HE'S president what are you???? I could answer that but you already have.
BS61,
Since you do not understand what I post, just quit reading them and keep scrolling down. I will do the same to yours. Have a nice life.
BS61,
Just could not take the high road. Typical.
On to other things,
CJW,
Most poor people do not consciously "wish to live off OTHER PEOPLE'S success". You are giving them a bit too much credit. It boils down to laziness. They are taking the path of least resistance.
For those who have physical disabilities, you have my condolences. Having been poor, I know it can be a battle to get out of that situation. We live in an instant gratification society and so when the results do not come within days or weeks, these people declare their efforts futile and go back to being mooches. That does not condone it, of course, but that is part of why they stay on the dole as long as they do.
My solution would be to slowly phase most people out. Those with physical disabilities and those dealing with their house burning down (or something like that) are the exceptions.
BS61,
I am curious about why you feel the need to respond. Also, what does what I wrote have to with Republicans taking the high road? Anyways, lets just declare a truce and move on. Our conversing is a waste of time.
Twilcox, I'm for a phase out, but the devil's in the details. Unless they come up with some alternative to sequestration, the phase down will begin and nobody's going to be satisfied 100% with the results.
Redistribution of wealth is always great in theory. But its like sharing a bed with too many occupants. A few get all of the covers and a few only feel a draft.
But, when you allow people to give freely and they will when they have a surplus, Everyone gets their own bed complete with covers. People are far more generous when they aren't being told what to do with their money.
The only people of wealth that I resent are those who are managing my tax dollar contributions. They don't seem to get the concept of paying bills first and distributing the surplus out for the "extras".
Dave,
It is a given that there will be less than 100% agreement. The new American way is to be contrarian and be outraged even if it is not that big of a deal.
My problem with redistribution is that it does not work. As most on here know, i grew up poor.
I would observe how some in my neighborhood regularly received food stamps, assistance with rent, SSI disability (some legit and some not), and other forms of government assistance. I would always think to myself that if my parents were to receive the free money that these others were getting that we would we leading a pretty good life.
In the view of liberals, these people are using this assistance to better themselves. Society should help those at the bottom with the expectation that they use what funds they receive optimally. These people would use every dime they get to the best use. They do not like being poor and so will do all that they can do to fix that. They can't simply be milking it.
Growing up, I witnessed it firsthand. People would receive the money and show little to no motivation of ever moving above that station. So, in short the funds are not going to change these people. Whether the government gives them $1 or $100K, they are going to be no more motivated after than they were before. My belief is that people are innately motivated or not. They either want to better themselves or not. We should not throw money at someone who is content being poor.
TWILL I AGREE.....but there is a caveat,expectations,we give the money with no expectation and in my opinion that is were we loose.I have seen people lift themselves from that station but invariably there was someone there pushing saying I expect this to do this.Now I realize that cant always be so and the government certainly cannot and should not have to cope with that.Yes some will move up and some will not.The cycle is the easy way out,the path of least resistance. Another dynamic is to ostracise those who attempt to get out.IN new york one of the greatest things to happen was the block associations.The groups INSISTED on a certain level of cleanliness and decor in the block this kept blocks from deteriorating,it also instilled pride in that.The difference between a block with and association and one without was stark.I do not believ in innately,because that would allow the classification of people based on some dubious rational,I cant go with that and my education says no.The need is there to hold peoples feet to the fire and that should be done there should be ascession points .....that's my opinion.......later
twilcox-lamont :Can't argue with either of you there.
Redistribution of wealth came up earlier. That's a loaded term that is very difficult for me to accept.
On the subject of healthcare I don't see it as a redistribution of wealth, but more like a plan to distribute risk.
Another small issue that I have with income redistribution is the low income types are well aware of the requirements for aid and will exploit them. Let's say that the requirement for aid is making less than 10K per year. Now, lets say that some random individual is making 10,750 and leading a pretty meager existence. I predict that some of them will deliberately make less in order to better their situations. Sounds counterintuitive to me. $750 less per year but they will receive far more than that in food and other assistance so it is a win-win for them. We should have people doing the best that they can and not giving them an easy way out.
TWILL........WE have the same kind of garbage going on with taxes.Those who are able manipulate the system so that they dont pay taxes when they should.There is no monoply when it comes to greed in all it's forms.Yes people should be doing the best that they can.Take the incentives away for staying on welfare.That can be done in many ways,but it also requires enforcement and the people who administer the programes to do there jobs.I expect the guys who play in my band to Be on time,be ready to play,dressed to play,and temper there drinking you violate that you are history a few simple rules and I think that principle can be applied to welfare.You want it you earn it and that includes community service as long as it doesnt take a job from someone who applied for it.YOU dont want to work, refuse just once you are off assistance for say 90 days whatever.I dont consider that unreasonable. Anyhow you get the idea........later.......right on DAVE.REDISTRIBUTION OF RISK........YEAH!!!!
Yes, "redistribution of risk"---the middle class will get to pay for it because that policy that now costs you $1,100 per month will cost you (with "redistribution of risk") $1,900 a month. Someone HAS TO pay for it and the insurance industry has been clear who that "who" will be.
Now, we have "redistribution of 'wealth'" as well. The problem is this: the "middle class" has no 'wealth.' Wages are down and costs (fuel, insurance, food, ec.) are up. The cost of living is increasing while wages are not (if you even have a job). The Government deciding what I can "afford" is a scary thing. Yep, another TAX!
Great plan. And the "sheeples" still have their blinders on. That too is scary.
Speaking of taxes, I made some rough calculations based on the population of the United States in 2011 and the FY11 (yeah that's right I used FY) DoD (yeah that's right I used DoD) budget. I came up with a cost of $2205.00 per citizen per year. Now I don't imagine I'll get any serious arguments that would pose that there are any citizens not worthy of the common defense. Taking Governor Romney's assertion that only 40 some odd percent of us pay taxes, that would increase the cost of the common defense and the costs would be proportionately less common to all of us. Anybody got a problem with that?
Dave, what would be the that cost if you figured in the non-citizens too? You know, the ones that are getting paid under the table and the ones Obama is allowing to stay here. The ones that you can't ask for their papers or you are "profiling." If you add those illegals in your calculations, who should be paying their fair share, I'm sure it would change your numbers.
I'll use an estimate of 12 million non-citizens. If those non-citizens are included, it adds about .53¢a day to the taxes that we pay for the common defense. That sound about right?
For the sake of discussion, could we agree that if all was fair, we each would've paid approximately $2205.00 for our share of the DoD (yeah that's right I used DoD) budget for one fiscal year. With an average household size of around 2.6 persons that makes a households fair obligation around $5700. That amount is a little less than half the federal tax my family paid last year.
Just thought I'd throw this out there as another view. I'd never figured it out like this.
I'll stand corrected.
I see he said that 47% of Americans do not pay taxes and that "my job is not to worry about those people. "
"He said they did not pay income taxes and were people "who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them."
Quoting Governor Romney from a story by John Whitesides at http://mobile.reuters.com/
Like I said, I stand corrected.
Thank You for the opportunity to correct myself.
Would you count yourselves among those of us who paid our share of the DoD ( yeah that's right I used DoD) budget for FY (that's right I used FY) 2011?
Well.
I'll not break down the demographics of those who don't pay income taxes. Some of the people that the Governor referred to, the 47%, don't pay taxes because they have no tax obligation at all because of limited income or simply because they are able to legally apply a number of deductions to their tax situation each year.
Frank James of NPR has an article appearing at
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/feature...
So did your tax payments cover your fair share of the DoD (yeah that's right I used DoD) budget for FY (yeah that's right I used FY) 2011 budget or is the government using my money to protect your bigoted butt?
Hit a nerve? It would've been just as precise to call you out as a hypocrite .
For instance, you have no problem calling anyone who supports the President a few names. And that name calling extends to the names you call the President.
You're a hypocritical bigot.
You'll reply. You're a "last word" kind of guy.
I paid >13K in taxes last year and I'll keep paying for a portion of your share of the cost it takes to keep you under the umbrella of common defense.
You want me on that wall; you need me on that wall.
Proof that America's love of politics is more about partisan squabbling than actually knowing the issues and making the best decision is this. On other blogs when i trash both candidates, I get voted down pretty decisively. On this forum, more times than not the result is not that different. It should matter not which party gets the best of the other. What should matter is which decision benefits the nation as a whole.
You're absolutely right there twilcox. Now watch, buckshot61 will sneak a "twitcox" in here somewhere.
Dave,
And if he does then he does...
To actually analyze the issue objectively is supposedly proof that someone is a liberal. The issues of the modern day can be quite complex. Trying to simplify them just leaves the door open for misunderstanding and the runaway bias and subjectivity of pundits. The underlying truth behind an issue is what is important. Not what side that a person lies on.
On another topic, there are ads here in Nevada that try to blame the state's poor record on Obama. Strangely enough, just four years ago the same people were trying to blame it on Bush. So what that says is that they did not bother to actually understand the issue. They simply look for the most convenient target.
Again, I agree.
The individuals on the extreme left or right of any issue are the most vocal and seldom offer solutions that are beyond the bounds of what they know, and they tend to be very obstinate.
That's been my experience anyway.
Dave,
Good points. The individuals that post on forums are usually the most outspoken. Only those who care the most are going to take the time to post on blogs and endure the inevitable criticism. Offering pointed solutions opens one to ostracism. Complaining is universal. Everyone does it.
What do you think of the latest move at the FED?
Are you referring to the QE3 I've heard about?
Dave,
Yes, that is what I am referring to. I myself do not have an opinion yet. I have been a bit too busy to read and analyze what appears to be quite complex.
Same here. I'm not up to speed on it.