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Remains of Soldiers---Treated Like Trash

Posted Tuesday, December 13, 2011, at 11:12 AM

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I guess we can all define "respect, dignity and appropriate" in different ways.
So, this is how our Government defines "Dignity and Respect" when it comes to our fallen soldiers. Fathers, brothers, sons, mothers, daughters, sisters, husbands, wives and beloved friends. Below are the links to the story for which I write today. This story sickens me.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nati...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/n...

I write this blog today with a heavy heart. Since the story broke, I have gone through the debate with myself on to write vs. not to write on this topic. This story makes me physically ill and so sad for the families involved. I cannot believe that the United States Air Force and our Congress/Elected Officials felt it would be "acceptable" to dispose of human remains of fallen heroes in a landfill over a period of many years. To throw away fallen heroes this way is so sad.

What is even sadder is that these families thought that the remains of their loved ones would be treated with dignity and respect. These families who only received portions of their loved ones remains back thought that any remaining portions of their bodies---if found---would be disposed of in a dignified and respectful manner. Wow, what a shock to find out what really happened and without their permission or authorization!

Below are statements from the first link:

"...Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta supports the Air Force's handling of the scandals, spokesmen from the Pentagon said. Panetta also agrees with the Air Force's decision not to notify relatives of the 274 fallen service members whose body fragments were incinerated and secretly dumped in the landfill, Navy Capt. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters..."

"...The secretary is comfortable with the way the Air Force has handled this," Kirby told reporters at a news conference. Kirby said there were "real constraints" that restrict the Air Force from notifying relatives of the dead troops. Air Force officials said each of the families signed forms stipulating that they did not wish to be notified if additional remains were subsequently recovered or identified..."

..."The forms authorized the military to dispose of those remains in an "appropriate manner." The families were not told that the remains would be cremated, incinerated and dumped in a landfill..."

Some may be offended by my next statement and no disrespect is intended on my part. I love my animals. When one of our smaller animals has died, we have them cremated (our choice as opposed to burial or the landfill). When you have your loved one (pet) cremated, the company asks if you want the ashes back or if you prefer you can donate the ashes to be spread in local parks (the remains are a very safe form of fertilizer). Either way, you sign a form with respect to intent. My point is this. We treat our fallen animals with more dignity and respect than the men and women who have given their lives to fight a war that was never our war to fight and a war that will never be won only to have their remains thrown away like common household trash! What the heck folks?

What should scare anyone who reads this even more is that our Government and policy makers within the United States Air Force found this act to be "appropriate." We can also be pretty sure that they have lied as far as how many remains went to this landfill and over what period of time and when/if that policy really has/was changed. Many families will never even know! How is this "appropriate?"

I do not know about the rest of you but this makes me want to vomit---it sickens me to think that this is what this country has come to and that this falls into a category of "appropriate" or "acceptable." It also sickens me that these families were not made aware of the situation and given the choice of what to do with their loved ones remains.

This is how we treat our Vets! This is how we treat the people who fight for our freedoms. We should all be ashamed and outraged. DISGUSTING!!!


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FUBAR.......WELCOME AND THANKYOU.....IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM IT'S ABOUT US.......

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 4:36 PM

FUBAR.......WELCOME AND THANKYOU.....IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM IT'S ABOUT US.......

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 4:28 PM

Zook,

Not to beat a dead horse; but, "I have no repect for a "SNEAK." could mean that you have no respect for snipers, intelligence gatherers, ambushers, or many of the myriad of designer tactics employed by our brethren.

Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting "dirty" for. The bad guys understand this and we had better acknowledge and respect their opinion, or pay the penalty of naivete.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 5:59 PM

ZOOK ... nobody said anything about HONORING as in ceremony....you respect your dead and theres.The battle is over for them they rest in pease.......example...Baron VON RICHTOFFER shot down, the highest ace there was and he was given a military funeral by his enemys....the british.I like you have every reason to dislike certain people but once it is over it is over.Your hero might be GEN GEORGE PATTON and he may have been the man for that time and place.But GEN PATTON WAS AND INSURBORDINATE SOLDIER WHO WAS PROTECTED BY FRIENDS WHO DID NOT WANT TO DISHONOR HIM.HE served a political purpose and came as close as you can get to being COURTS MARTIALED.AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN.Leadership is more than leading from the front.

I will not argue with you about this any more iT DISHONORS our SPEC OPS PEOPLE TO QUESTION WHAT THEY DID.....THOSE WARRIORS ARE WARRIORS AND THEY ACTED IN THE TRADITIONS OF THE WARRIOR CLASS ......GOD BLESS THEM AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....LET US CONTINUE TO ACT IN WAYS THAT INSTILL LEADERSHIP AND DIGNITY TO ALL,DEAD OR ALIVE.

-- Posted by lamont on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 8:35 PM

Mike, you know I like you and respect you, but this hate you have will eat you from within till there is nothing left.

A friend

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 6:52 PM

Zook,

Slow down and read what you have printed for us.

Warriors do not think about their enemies with such disdain and disrespect. If you do not understand this, then you were not a warrior; you just had the opportunity to associate with them.

Getting shot at doesn't make you an expert in warfare...it just makes you a target that wasn't hit.. Getting shot at and missed, albeit exciting, doesn't make you anything more than a missed target.

No disrespect intended, Zook; but, when the battleground is cleared, the people who killed your friends should be extended the same respect as your fallen. It's the Honorable thing to do.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 6:09 PM

I don't think all sailors feel the same as you do zook.... However that's your opinion ...`

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 5:56 PM

WHATEVER !!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by lamont on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 5:26 PM

YES WE KNOW ZOOK.....TO INCLUDE THE EMPATHET RAGHEAD.......SO LETS SEE DONT BRING THE BODY OUT FOR POSITIVE ID TO THE WORLD,AND LET IT GO AT THAT.........HAVE IT YOUR WAY BUT WHAT YOUR ADVOCATING IS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE THE PROBLEMS WE DO WITH RESPECT.THEY DID WHAT SOLDIERS DO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT ANY WAY YOU WANT......AGAIN YOU NEED TO HATE I DONT........THE NEXT TIME YOUR READING CHECK HOW MANY IRAQUE CIVILIANS WE HAVE ADMITED TO KILLING........OH I KNOW THAT DOES NOT COUNT....IT WAS FOR A GOOD CAUSE.....HOW ABOUT IT WAS FOR A LIE.....HOW ABOUT 4,500 DEAD KIDS HOW ABOUT 40,000 WOUNDED WHO HAVE BEEN LIED TO ABOUT THERE CARE........SO MUCH MORE TO SCREAM ABOUT THAN WHO GOT BURIED AT SEA DURING THE COURSE OF AND OPERATION.IS THE ONLY WAY ZOOKS WAY???????

even your revered marine corp commandant said it was done the right way, what is it you want?????

I KNOW ......NUKE EM

-- Posted by lamont on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 9:41 AM

I'm glad you responded lamont, as having never served, it wasn't my place to make the statement you did.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 6:00 AM

BUCKSHOT........I LIKE ALL OF US HAVE FRIENDS ON THE WALL AND SOME HAVE NEVER BEEN RECOVERED......BUT WE DONT STOP LOOKING.

ZOOK ARE YOU LOOKING TO BLAME OBAMA FOR THIS TOO??What did you want those seals to do with the body????????......THEY were soldiers they did what HONORABLE SOLDIERS DO.....why as a soldier is that hard to understand???????EVERY HONORABLE SOLDIER SINCE MELLINEUM HAS HONERED ENEMY DEAD.WHAT happened was not unusual let it go !!!!

IT IS A SOLDIERS WAY..........

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 10:18 PM

Tracy, thank you for broaching this subject.

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 6:38 PM

lamont, you HAVE found the solution! Having been to more than one military funeral, I can say without a doubt, you folks do know how to take care of your own with DIGNITY!!!!!

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 6:37 PM

AS A VETERAN AND A PERSON WHO SERVED AS A 1SGT IN A WAR ZONE, COMBAT UNIT.I CAN UNDERSTAND THE SURVIVORS FEELINGS TO INCLUDE US IN THE UNIT LEFT BEHIND.

The mere fact that we attempt to bring all the fallen home is commendable,the fact that the people at Dover do everything they can with what they have is commendable,I am not sure that a wound needs to remain open or reopened when pieces of remains come to light days ,weeks months after bodies have been cleared and intered.I dont want to get into the religious aspects of this but I have to say AS A MOSTLY CHRISTIAN PEOPLES THERE ARE ASSUMPTIONS WE MAKE ABOUT DEATH.

I think the policy should have always been to cremate and inter or burial at sea that would be the military way and should have been adhered to.IT WAS NOT.....OUR GOAL SHOULD BE(in my opinion) TO INSURE THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS GOING FORWARD.

WE SHOULD ALSO REALIZE SOMETHING.....we have let so many things go to civilian contractors who do not feel what those of us who serve and have served feel.MAYBE the solution is let us take care of our own.

MY BROTHERS ARE WITH A HIGHER POWER AND WITHIN THAT REALEM THEY ARE WHOLE.......GOD BLESS

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 6:23 PM


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