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No Limits and an $81,000 Shakedown/Settlement All In The Name Of God!

Posted Sunday, September 4, 2011, at 4:41 PM

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Jesus said, "Father, forgive these people, because they don't know what they are doing." And the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice. Luke 23:34
So the story begins!

A City Attorney that did not know the law.

A City Council that did not know the law but should have been better informed by their attorney.

A "church" that saw an opportunity and ran with it.

A former mayor who has always been about what is good for him and "satisfaction" at any cost but all in the name of "community" (can you say oppurtunist?).

And last but not least---the $81,000 shakedown...by a "CHURCH"---but all in the name of God (so it is all good or is that God?).

I am Jewish. I am not exactly an "expert" on religion but I was always told the being "a good Christian" means that you embrace forgiveness, tolerance and the flaws of humanity. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR!!

What kind of "church" comes into a town and holds a community hostage over some obscure law? Way to engratiate your way into a community. Then add to the mix that the former Mayor of Mountain Home aided and abetted these folks! Has all the fixings of a great Sunday night CBS movie.

The really sad part in all of this is that this "church" plans to stay in this community after systematicaly and in a very calculating manner extorting $81,000 from this community. How very Christian of you pastor, sir.

What a fine example you shall be for the youth of this community. What a fine example you will be to the "broken" of this community who seek your gospel! What a fine lesson of tolerance for your fellow man pastor, sir. What a fine example of LOVE THY NEIGHBOR!

The fine people of Mountain Home were ripe for the picking and the God fearing pastor received a message from God I am sure that told him he needed to lead by example. What a fine example indeed. Well done pator, sir. Jesse Jackson could not have done it better!

I find this story a sad one but you have taught us all a very valuable lesson in this community pastor, sir. Never trust the smooth talking guy in the cheap suit who professes "trust me in the name of God I am here to help" and then speeds off in his Lincoln or Caddy to the farthest attorney office.

This is a fairly warm community but these acts will certainly set us back a bit. I pray that the community will remember your lesson pator, sir and welcome you into this community with the same warmth you have shown those of us who pay taxes.

I am attempting now to figure out where to place my strip club (aka gentleman's club) in an effort to welcome you to my community. Yet more souls for you to save! May God be with you pator, sir and all of your flock. Welcome to Mountain Home.

"Intelligence plus character--that is the goal of true education. The complete education gives one not only power of concentration, but worthy objectives upon which to concentrate... If we are not careful, our colleges will produce a group of close-minded, unscientific, illogical propagandists, consumed with immoral acts. Be careful, "brethren!" Be careful, teachers!

Martin Luther King, Jr.

"When machines and computers, profit, motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered."

Martin Luther King, Jr.

AMEN!!!


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I have a question If God is a forgiving God and he forgives everyone including Murderers and Rapist's when I die will I be sitting in heaven with these thugs?

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 5:35 PM

"For a man whose sexual lifestyle is considered a sin by Christianity, I'd think you'd be less inclined to defend them. Say hello to Marcus Bachmann next time you guys are praying".

Say what? Who am I defending ? What is your point?

I maybe a sinner, I may be wrong when it's all said and done...but you sir will always be an A**H*le. HAHAHAHAHAH. Your a legend in your own mind.

-- Posted by DRACO on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 10:32 AM

So you believe in God....congratulations...so does the Devil.

-- Posted by DRACO on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 4:10 PM

You're a sad little excuse for a man aren't you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

-- Posted by DRACO on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 4:06 PM

HewBet--

If you knew your scripture as well as you think you do--you would know that it say's to never call another man a fool. Typical.....

-- Posted by DRACO on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 10:11 AM

Right righr...Build a Mosque...freedom....they are probably just praying in their and speading peace....wake up idiots.

-- Posted by DRACO on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 11:43 AM

JYD, I think I do too, then something comes along and I get confused, or "get it even more". That's the thing, it's an ever evolving "get"!

What it is is NOT Rocket Science. At times, I believe, you either have it or not, and it just gets better and better. There have been times that I've wondered to myself "why....? oh God why?" Haven't we all? And then I've literally had to just grit my teeth and keep on going....haven't we all?

I believe that some folks feel they don't believe in God. They find comfort in whatever they find comfort in. Here's where God is good= HE is giving them whatever they can accept to find comfort in, til they can see that HE is there for them.

Bonnie, sooo well spoken, thank you!

Jessie

-- Posted by jessiemiller on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 8:39 AM

Jessie,

I think you get it.

-- Posted by junkyard dog on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 8:20 PM

Thank you, In case you haven't noticed, I have been needing to say this to myself as much as anyone else. I just hurt when someone does not understand what the true love of God is about.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 8:06 PM

HewBet:

I just want to thank you for pushing me back to where I belong in this world.

Our understanding of God should never be based upon someone else's opinion. And neither should our faith. And you are very correct that people who attend church are no better or worse than those who don't.

However, what makes the difference is that God knows all of his Children inside and out. And the great thing is that He waits for you to come to Him. What you would regard as rules and judgements is not on the same plane as what is in the heart of God.

As long as you can understand that and hold onto what is within your own reach, you will begin to see things very differently. it is the change of heart that we experience that gives us a better understanding of God.

It is like as a parent wanting the very best for your children. And giving them everything that they need, (not want). We grieve when they disobey, but we continue to love them. We cherish their new little lives and try to prepare them for being out in the real world. Multiply that love that you feel for your children a hundred fold and you will get a glimmer of what God wants for you.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 3:13 PM

ha! I'm right at your heels age wise, but fairly parelell as far as those old time feelings.

One point I meant to say in my comment also, was, part of going to a gathering on Sunday, wherever it is, IS the rapport you can build. There are friends to be had/made there. Support when you are feeling lost. And someone to support, who is feeling lost. Yes, that is what I wanted to say.

Best to you all (old codgers and sweet little old Grannies, all)

-- Posted by jessiemiller on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 11:33 AM

The e-mail I posted wasn't meant for anyone, I figured it just showed both sides of the fence and how other countries do with their Churchs the way they want but want it different when they come to this country. I do agree people have the right to practice their religion the way they want but don't try to change the way this country was founded.

BTW I am not 84 that was just the way the mail was written by someone LOL

Thanks for wishing me the best Lamont, I am 65 so you still older than me LOL.

-- Posted by Eagle_eye on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 11:27 AM

EAGLE EYE....OBVIOSLY YOU HAVE LIVED A FULL AND GREAT LIFE......I am very happy for you.Your concerns are the same we all have,we may not all express them the same but they are the same.I am younger than you but I do feel a lot the same....how we percieve what goes on around us is what makes us unique.I know you know that...I wish you good health and cintinued great life.....god bless

-- Posted by lamont on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 11:19 AM

I'm with you Bonnie, ouch ouch ouch. I hate to see these neighbors bickering with one another, but I can see the dissatisfaction with these events.

I'm a "Faithful" person, which I guess makes me Religious. I have had my times of going every Sunday to Church. I am a proud member of a church here in Mountain Home, and have been since my babies were babies.

One thing I hate is when people say "I hate this" "I hate that" And you know they have NO CLUE what they are talking about, since they've never 'done' "this or that" So, while my children were young, we went to Church. Sunday School was fun for them, and they did Vacation Bible School. They attended some church camps. And they enjoyed it. I did also. I can not tell you how I loved Reverand Stuart Olbrich. In my heart, I know he saved my life. (my story, and it's personal) I miss him so. My children knew him, and he was a great influence on all of our lives. I got alot out of those years of Raising my Children in the Church. Really more than I knew I was going to. One of the things I wanted, was that if my kids wanted to say later that they didn't like going to Church, they would have an actual experience to base that opinion on. That's really what I wanted. I never made going to Church a duty. I never made them miss something that they really wanted to do, if it was on a Sunday, so they never hated it. They were in plays, and parties, and I loved seeing them sit at Stu's feet while he gave a lesson in front of the church.

I loved those lessons, and somehow it always seemed he was talking to me. He visited some with me at my home when I needed him.

I met him while I was working in the Nursing Home when I was in High School. He came and went to each and every resident and held their hands and gave sermons. So, I began making sure I was "working" in the room where he was, and began attending his Church in those moments, though I didn't realize it then.

Stuart married my 1st husband and I. In the next years, he stood with me at my daughters grave and gave me words of encouragement, he baptized my children... and he was just 'there'

My point follows along with what several have said. I believe that Church is where your Heart and Faith is. I've been up in what is called "God's Country" and I have no question why it's referred to like that. When I ride a horse up on a mountain covered in fog, and get to the very top, ABOVE the fog and the sun and blue sky is so amazingly clear, I'm as close to God as ever.

But when I"m here at home, working with a Child that has a bad home life, and I'm tormented over stuff he or she tells me, ....I might get a call, or a visit from one who says I helped turn him around, I'm pretty dang close to God then too.

When one of my Grandchildren runs up to me out of nowhere and squeezes my neck just cuz, I thank God for all I have.

I've been camping with the Corders and had an actual bit of Church there too.

I can NOT quote you scriptures or versus...(not many anyway) If someone has a different opinion of God than mine, that's OK. I've learned that if you believe, it just IS. No defense is necessary. No matter the words, it is, and it will always be.

I've actually kind of lost my train of thought! But like others, I don't know why we need so many churches. There's praying places all over. But to each his own. I wish he had more businesses, we desperately need them.

I really don't like to hear all churches grouped into a stereotype of Cons and .....

without doubt, I believe there are those, but it's not the only way it is.

Let's not reduce ourselves to name calling and mudslinging. A good debate and discussion is always a good thing, but you lose me at the start of name calling and innuendos.

Hang in there!

Jessie

-- Posted by jessiemiller on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 11:18 AM

MSM:

Many who came to America did so because of the freedom to worship at they pleased.

I for one, am so thankful for that priviledge.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 11:17 AM

And lets not forget the synagogues and mosques

they also have a right to build and worship in their places of worship. As you said KH Gal

When this country was set up, it was for our own protection from the government set into place as to our choice of religion.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 11:05 AM

If you lived in any other country but America, you would not be afforded the choice of your place of worship.

People who attend church are not always the liars and greedy people that you think. Many of them give very generously and quietly.

I am with Zook on most of his points. the people who attend church are not perfect, but they are benefiting from the support of others who wish them well.

I don't know anything about this church that tried to open. It probably could have been resolved with an open discussion with the City and the church leaders. If it was a fly-by-night church, then you probably won't hear much about it after the money has exchanged hands. Many groups are opening store-front churches to keep costs down and to provide available support to the the community at large.

HewBet, I am talking to myself as much as anyone else here, But attending church is not just for your benefit, but others too. We miss so many opportunities to be a friend or mentor to those who are hurting.

Because I don't live in MH, I cannot comment on the churche's motives or what has transpired. But I do know that you cannot label churches as a business, although some of the mega-churches are run that way.

When this country was set up, it was for our own protection from the government set into place as to our choice of religion. Many people think it was for the churches not to gain power over the government, but that is only partially true.

Many countries would have put you into prison if you chose to worship at a place that was not state-sanctioned.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM

To me a church and church going people should strive to help the community around them and lead by example. I'm sorry to say in my opinion that also means that a higher standard of morals and ethics should be displayed by those who profess to be Christian. In my life I have seen many examples of people that profess to be Christian that will stab you in the back just to gain the next perceived step in life. The excuse, WE ARE HUMAN! We are subject to these mistakes (weakness), that's why we go to church,to be forgiven. To me a church is a business and should be subject to taxes with wright offs for true charity work.

If you believe and want to do so with others then by all means build a place and do it, just do not infringe upon others to pave the way for that to be done.

Sorry for the RANT!

Grumpy

-- Posted by IdahoGrumpy on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 8:38 PM

I am with you HEWBET.....my church is wherever i get on my knees.BUT THATS ME....I TRY NOT TO RUN DOWN RELIGION SOME NEED IT AND SOME DONT.That is personal.For me if you profess a religion then go by it's tenets.YOUR LAST SENTENCE SAYS IT ALL.......LATTER

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 6:22 PM

I was burning from the scorching words traded from everyone concerning this blog.

Most of us are law-abiding citizens with no agenda. We just live our lives by the example given to us.

There are those out there, with agendas and most of it not too good on both sides.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 1:05 PM

KH GAL,

You won't be the one burning, more than likley if there is anything resembling what they PREACH..(I'm using that term loisly) then the people involved with this lawsuit will be the ones burning in their own little H double tooth picks.

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 12:41 PM

This is so true.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 12:33 PM

Ouch! OUCH!

I am burning all the way from Missouri.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 11:22 AM

The way the churches act in this town makes any belief I had in religion decrease by the minute.

This so called church sue's the citizens of Mountain Home and the lawyers and city council plead STUPID....yes STUPID.

Who pays the vultures (this includes the church, lawyers, and city council)...the citizens of Mountain Home. I really hope people remember how much our city council and lawyers cost us around election time. I also find myself communicating with the church using sign laugage everytime I pass it. I don't see it as a real church anyway it is just a building full of CON-ARTISTS just like our city council.

-- Posted by Trouble2011 on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 8:39 AM

How many church's does mountain home need any way? Isn't there suppose to be only one "god" and one Jesus? Shouldn't there be only one church? Not a single person on here is ever Christ like. I have to agree with FREEDOM on this, but i believe that all religion is just a con, and a way to control the people. You dont need a book to tell you to be a good person, just be a good person.

-- Posted by shockwave on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 6:28 AM

OPINION MISSY......... I SAID NOTHING RACIAL HERE....YOU CAN FIND WHAT YOU WANT DISGUSTING MATTERS NOT....where were you some years back or yesterday. DONT WANT TO OWN UP TO WHAT YOU SEE AND HEAR AROUND YOU. TOUGH......I have lived here long enough to know what is said and who says it.To include the past and the present what some would like is that they can say things with impunity tough....not in this life and like I said I said NOTHING RACIAl......when I do you will know it. I dont beat around the bush with it.I think you read something in that is not there.

There is a legitemate debate.....why do we have so many churches????????? ISNT THAT A LEGITAMATE QUESTION I WOULD THINK IT IS.THE comment splintered HAD NOTHING to do with RACE ,it has everything to do with our community. HARSH WORDS...CON JOB COULD BE CONSIDERED THAT AMONG OTHERS AND I ADDREESSED IT RESPONSIBLY I MADE NO ACCUSATIONS, NONE.The same people who used the N word in 1972 still use it today.I know it and so do you.Stereotyping alienates I dont care who does it,and its not called for.

So next time you want to accuse me wait till I do it. I dont like being convicted without just cause....OR IS THAT TO MUCH TO ASK.I DONT CARE WETHER YOU LIKE ME OR NOT,the feeling could be mutual ...... and probally is.Until now you have done nothing to me so I could care less your entitled to your opinion.Try going back and reading again....it might help.

I agree with hommer in that it is a small town with a memory and news travels fast. This adventure had dubious benefites to the community as a whole.To bad it didnt need to happen and both party's share this one...my opinion

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 8:36 PM

Councilman Schroeder:

You would like to dance around the figures. Does it really matter how much it cost? The point is that you and the city council along with your attorney should have known the law. As I have heard you say before----ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Reluctantly, I had to respond to your political line of crap and double talk. You are a true politician Geoff. Congratulations, you have arrived!

Lamont:

I have lived my entire life with people just like you. I know you, I do not like you and you love to play the race card at every turn. In this day and age, I find that disgusting. Grow up Lamont and at least bring a legit debate to the table for a change.

-- Posted by OpinionMissy on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 6:38 PM

FREEDOM......AGREED....THAT IS A POINT THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERD BEFORE IT ISSUES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.for any none business entity in the down town core area

The harsh words comment was not directed at you personally,just a lot of harsh words out there......

The youth center is another issue I know they get tied together because of funding,there are ways to help the youth center,They could start with and open house,or at least once a year so people can see what they have to offer and what the dynamics are.Thats another conversation.

I THINK A GOOD FAITH DONATION TO THE YOUTH CENTER WOULDNT BE A BAD IDEA........

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 4:34 PM

So the church and attorneys profit from this. The city has to come up with the money to cover this. Is the city not insured?? Instead the city takes the funds away from the Youth Center to help cover their ignorance. The Youth Center being a thorn in Councilman Schroeders side now has a way and a great excuse of not funding the Youth Center next year. What a win win situation this has been for both the Church and Councilman Schroeder. Now good people of this new church, why not donate your non taxed dollars back to the youth center. What financial harm has come to the church??

-- Posted by Riverwoods on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 4:11 PM

Well I don't really think my words are harsh , its just my opinion, it would help to pay back the money or not except it in the first place and to be honest I think these churchs in the business area,, all of them,,,,, should Move out of the Business ares so the city can get back on the right track and collect taxes,, or the Churchs should pay tax

I pay taxes in the business areas for Roads, police and fire, sewer and trash, maintance for roads and parks and the lost of these business tax will degrade the business area and at some point Education and Housing Areas

Now Im not against Churchs, however these are business areas and why should my tax dollars go to support these churchs when they don't support the tax payer,,,by having these churchs in the business ares is an Additional Tax on Business and homeowner

AND THATS NOT RIGHT AT ALL

-- Posted by Freedom on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 3:41 PM

FREEDOM....I understand your feelings,my comment was in a general sense.I am glad you acknowledge not just this church.Our business core has been depleted for some years now,in my eyes we can blame k mart,wal-mart etc...one or the other was ok not both and it did exactly as I said it would.We also as a community have a tendency not to support local business.That is a shame....me personally I DONT DO A LOT OF SHOPPING IN BOISE I BUY HERE.

I THINK CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ENCOURAGING BUSINEESES TO LOCATE IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE.WE WILL HAVE A BLIGHT IF WE DONT.OTHER TOWNS HAVE AND HAVE INCENTIVES FOR STOREFRONTS AND ETC.

I dont think the churches intent was to cause the hardship you disscribe.I do agree it does.I ALSO AGREE THAT THE CASE SHOULD NOT HAVE WENT WERE IT WENT.IN our current financial atmosphere I would prefer that the schools benefite from my tax dollars.BUT all the harsh words are not going to change this.

I WILL SAY THIS......we as a community should question why we are so splintered as to need the number of religious organizations we have based on our population.I think that is a valid question that maybe we should do some soul searching on.......WE NEED TO GET PAST THIS

LAST....DOES THE TOWN HAVE INSURANCE AGAINST THESE KIND OF SUITES????????? AND IF WE DONT WE SHOULD HAVE

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 2:40 PM

I am Sorry if I do read as being OFFENSIVE , however that being said lets not forget this Law suit is NOT against the city,, its against local business and Homeowners who pay the taxes to support these kids who go to school and some are poor and who don't have even enough food to eat and school supplies for education and all the other stuff my tax dollars pay for

But if I was the Judge I would have thrown this suit Out of Court. why

first I'd ask does this church have a Legal Right to sue,, I would think NO, because they don't pay taxes and this was a business building.

Secound is there other options that this church could use to remendy this,, yes, they could take up a plate 500 dollars per member and they could go out and buy land and build a real Church building on, problem solved

but NO, they'd rather Sue me the homeowner and business person,,,

they knew when they moved into these business building that what those building where built for, and its just not that church, its all these churchs in town who have been doing this, why the city allows this , who know, but I know my taxes are getting higher every year and in part because business is down

if these churchs don't like the Rules in a business area,, Move, its that easy

you have the members take up a plate and buy land whats hard about that, but instead you take my money and people who should be getting my tax dollars are not

So Excuse Me if I call this a Big Con Game

-- Posted by Freedom on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 1:29 PM

My first blog entry spells it out. The documents I took the time to post answer most of your questions. If you want more commentary on what ought and ought not to have happened, you'll have to ask those questions in the comments there, and I'll respond there. The rules are in the first blog post.

-- Posted by Councilman Schroeder on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 10:52 AM

I DONT KNOW ABOUT ANYONE HERE BUT I DO CONSIDER SOME OF THE TERMS USED OFFENSIVE.

I CANT SAY THAT YOUR ANGER IS MISPLACED I CAN SAY I DONT KNOW AS THIS BEING A CON GAME.

After reading councilman schroeders blog I get the impression he felt that if the lawyers had been introduced earlier this whole thing would have been avoided.Maybe,I think the question should be, why did we get have to get into that at all?.I think both sides could have sat down and went through the laws and regulations and got to the same point.I do think a letter could have been sent to the city from the law firm ,citing applicable laws and citing solutions before the suit was filed.Then the question becomes would they have listened??????I dont know, councilman schroeder seems to think they would have.Good.I do think idaho council could have been found,HOwever I DO UNDERSTAND THE LACK OF TRUST IN LOCAL COUNCIL,and that speaks to community attitudes as percieved,past and present.

So now we are in a campaign mode to discredit ,credentials,people and the organization,I assume that is the christian thing to do.(eye for and eye).I dont know as two wrongs make a right but we shall see.I also pay taxes,on more than one property, I see a lot of churches and organizations that are tax exempt,each serves a purpose and just because I dont care for them my taxes still support them.I make no attempt to denergrate them in any way so why the slanderous attacks on these people?????????? And who is next??????It is done move on or do you have and axe to grind????????

Question for the coucilman......ARE YOU STILL BEING SUED??????? IF SO .....WHY????????? THANKYOU

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 10:41 AM

Reluctantly, I have to comment: The amount paid is $61,040.11. $81,000 is not correct. That seems to be repetition of an early estimate of what the city's additional legal expenses would be. They will not be anywhere near that high, although we don't have the actual total yet. It'd be best to stick with the factual total for now. I've posted a copy of the actual check and a little more analysis:

www.churchandstateidaho.blogspot.com

Comments there will be posted and answered as I have the time.

-- Posted by Councilman Schroeder on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 8:57 AM

Its one of the oldest con games going, dates far back in our American history.

Go in buy a business building become a church don't pay tax then claim they have a "Right to Sue" a city because they did not like a Rule or Law and then collect Money am I right

I pay my taxes for Schools, Roads and sidewalks or I used too, NOT to be handed out to lawyers and churchs for some grand misdeed of the city that is whats claimed ??

that church if thats what it is, should take my tax dollars and go buy a hugh lot of land and build your own church and get out of these business buildings Please, Us homeowners can't afford to lose tax dollars from Business and being sued by Churchs

"PASTOR AND HEAR THERE SIDE BEFORE YOU POST ANOTHER ACCUSITORY BLOG OF HALF TRUTHS AND ROUMORS"

Sorry No I don't need to hear his side, the church don.t pay tax, SoI don't Sorry,, Move your church please

Pay Taxes and I'll sit and hear everything he wants to say, 0therwise get out of my pocket

-- Posted by Freedom on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 8:47 AM

This not about race or faith....it is about a business.

-- Posted by NonnyMouse on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 8:36 AM

I would ask you ms louric go and have a sit down with the PASTOR AND HEAR THERE SIDE BEFORE YOU POST ANOTHER ACCUSITORY BLOG OF HALF TRUTHS AND ROUMORS.i DIDNT KNOW THAT ADVISING WAS AIDING AND ABETTING.Your first 2 sentences summed up the problem for the most part,Anyhow there are 2 sides to the story I say you need to get the other side.Inuendos such as cheap suit,mispelling intentionally pastor,gentelmans clup,lincoln caddilac etc all stereotypes that certainly do nothing to enchance the community climate.I wonder if someone used inuendos against jewish folks would you be inclined to talk to them or would you be onclined to ignore them ?????????

I think there were enough mistakes here to choke a horse and if you percieve certain people on our city councils attitude during this fray as being neutral you are wrong.Maybe if there attitude had not been so antagonistic we would not have got to this point.May be some lies were told maybe a lot of things.But consider this if the city could have won the case I am sure to save money they would have went to trial.Question if it had went another way would you be making the same comments ???????????? for your information they made cavalry jump through hoops also just not as bad.I feel like we need a new city council for sure, some have been there to long they dont own the town.IN A LOT OF CASES i WONDER IF THEY ARE ACTING IN OUR BEST INTEREST,AND IF NOT WHOSES INTEREST ARE THEY ACTING IN BEHALF OF???????? I dont belong to the church i do know people who do,I have in previous comments stated I felt this went to far and didnt need to go here.But i think a fair hearing of both sids should be out there and this posting is certainly not that.

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 12:58 AM

This is why I don't go to church, have not since I was a kid , did not like it then because I understood ,, its a big Con Game,

Only been to church twice since, once in basic and once with my wife,,, NEVER AGAIN because Church was and is still a big Con Game Run By Con Men

-- Posted by Freedom on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 8:45 PM

It is always about ego and money and that is why I will not set foot in any of them....they are not about God....only selfishness.

-- Posted by NonnyMouse on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 7:22 PM

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This was taken from their website. What are they? I thought they were a counseling service but they are holding worships services also. And, why were they not penalized for holding their services when they were told they had to have their permits first? Aren't they accountable for anything?

-- Posted by CuriousParents on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 6:19 PM

Well said Tracy. This is a perfect example of being Christian in name only. If they are in fact true Christians they could make partial amends by returning the money they received directly (the lawyers took a large share) to the community that they purport to serve. After all, unless they are self serving; is not the community the reason for their calling?

-- Posted by Common2Cents on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 6:08 PM

Well said! I like your style! :-)

-- Posted by royincaldwell on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 4:48 PM


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