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Tell Me Lies--Tell Me Sweet Little LiesPosted Sunday, September 19, 2010, at 9:55 AM
Do we really need a loan and higher taxes to create recreation?
On September 9, 2010, I attended my first and last CLDC Budget & Finance Meeting. Here is what was being proposed for the taxpayers of Mountain Home, Idaho. 1. A 1.7/1.6 million dollar bond to build a facility with no gym or pool. 2. This is projected to raise YOUR taxes by $145.00 (if you now pay around $80.00) and could take 25 years to pay off at 6.5% interest (annual payment would be $356,279.22) and this is ONLY taxes and does not include membership fees. 3. There are, according to Budget & Finance, 323 homes for sale---275 of which are in the city. This number does not include some foreclosures (if they are not for sale or on the MLS). 4. Budget & Finance did not want to consider the vacancy rate for homes in this area. They wanted to "assume" this number was included in the recent survey results (the same survey that based their info on 10 + year old data). 5. Budget & Finance did not want to charge people out of district more money. In other words, people out of district would pay the same as a taxpayer who has financed this goat rope for the last 10 years! Why? Because the survey determined that people will only drive around 15 minutes to use a facility. So, they feel that the number for people out of district will be very low. Again---"assume." This group NEVER considered a plan that worked with the money we have. We never looked at a plan that did not include a building. So, in short, we have paid the YMCA thousands and thousands of dollars to consult. It was determined as of 9/13/10 that a 1.6 million dollar bond (for a construction loan) was "feasible" for this community---which means a large tax increase. I am no longer on Budget & Finance for this project. It is my opinion that this "process" has been tainted in some way with survey results that failed to take into account the following: People may want pools but are they willing to pay for them (they run in the red and do not make money and require costly maintenance)? People may want pools but are they willing to pay higher taxes and huge membership fees to have them? We would also be looking forward to a 3% increase in taxes each and every year until the loan/bond was paid for. Were they aware of this? Would they pay for this? When the numbers of this survey are "off" (they based the numbers in the survey on 10 year old population data and showed MH had a population increase of 41% over the last ten years---the number is more like 4% growth rate) are people willing to pay that difference? If the income revenue projected is off, it needs to be made up in fees to run and maintain a facility. Are people willing to do that? In this economy why can we just not work with what we have? We have 2 million dollars saved. Improve the city pool. Improve programs already in place. Create ball fields, etc. on the land that was purchased. Improve upon the great programs we have. Prove to the public that you can run this and that it will at least break even or maybe make a small profit. Do this with what you HAVE---not what you can take. This economy is expected to get worse. It is the worst economy since the great depression. Record numbers of people are out of work and have lost (or will lose) their homes. More jobs will be lost. Are MORE taxes really a great thing for a community that is already under water and in trouble? Do we really need to build at a facility that could put local businesses out of business? If anyone would like to see the emails on this or the info, I have it. You are more than welcome to have all of it. This "open and honest" process has become like our current White House---anything but. 2 million dollars could go a long way towards recreation in this community (with a board willing to see that that is). People have obtained prices on buildings for under $17.00/SF (just the building). It would be a very multi-purpose building. This would allow for leftover money to fund RECREATION. Why go into hock for something that is really nothing more than an "assumption." Do we really want to take a chance? In all fairness, there is also an "Option 3." That is the facility that has it all---pools, gym, etc. In order to build "Option 3" there will need to be a loan obtained for 6.5 million dollars. The loan will be repaid over 25 years at 6.5% with a yearly payment of $725,277.63. It will raise YOUR yearly taxes by as much as $215.00 (based on if you are currently paying $80.00 per year). And both have been called "feasible" by the YMCA finance person. Does this sound "feasible" to you as a taxpayer? This facility is projected to serve under 15% of our community yet ALL will pay for it. Who defines "feasible" here? The time for recreation is now and it needs to be debt free. It has been 10 years. Now after 1 year of consulting with the YMCA we are in the same place that the WECRD had us...we want the Mercedes but we can only AFFORD a Toyota. There were some really good, smart, objective people on this project. It could have been a really good thing. Comments Showing most recent comments first [Show in chronological order instead] |
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So does this group Bazooka. For years they have donated OUR money for the concerts in the park. So, the WECRD does indeed have a band and they beat to their own drums too!
Bondy:
The event will be at the Senior Center. It is called Meet the Candidates. I do not know if a date has been set yet but they would be able to tell you. I am sure there will be other events as well.
Taxes are paid by anyone who owns property within the WECRD District---so, you would pay the higher taxes if that is the way that they go. Since ther are only 2 options, expensive or really expensive you can see where this train is going.
If the boat is taking on more water than the crew can bail out, what difference will it make to change the crew?
10 years ago, when the voting majority approved the WECRD, I think they didn't realize that they were voting for another tax authority...they were voting for some rec facilities.
My NO vote was nullified, so I'm going to have to suck it up in property tax. Nonetheless, if given the opportunity to vote again on this issue, I'll support the dissolution of something that is collecting money to pay for something that doesn't exist, and if granted by miracle, could not support itself without a dependable increase in funds from the public.
If there was a way to profit from a rec facility in our town, some entrepeneur would already be building it. Therefore, I believe supporting the wercd is philosophically equivalent to voluntarily contributing to the care and feeding of parasites. I don't care who's in charge, just dissolve the thing and contribute the money to charity.
Debate? Forum? When is this and where can I read more about these things.
Bazooka---100% correct. I hope all will attend the debate/forum at the Senior Center and ask questions. Change is what it is needed. It will take a community to make that happen. 10 years--speaks for itself.
Bondy:
It will take a vote to pass a bond or take on any debt. Homeowners and business owners within the district are ALL taxed. When this was voted in, all homeowners paid the same amount (that is what was voted for). Then, the WECRD got greedy and not only increased the tax but made it value based which increased their tax revenue by more than 50% per year. They now get nearly 500K in taxes per year out of us ($450,000). They are allowed, by law, to increase taxes, by 3% per year. According to the new Budget & Finance stats...they plan to do that every year to maintain and build this facility PLUS---charge around $900.00 (per family) to use it---which does not include special programs. Bondy, if you want the facts in print and the emails, I will get those to you. You will not even believe what has gone on and what may be on the horizon.
Mo:
A new board would help. The 2 people who have thrown their hats in have been very active in this and know the facts and the issues. Both are very smart, do not support MORE/INCREASED taxes and want recreation now---not 10 years from now. This is really the only hope that we have, in my opinion. Both of these people are in the book, call and talk to them. It cannot hurt.
How does this "proposed bond" thing work? Is there a vote or does someone just say "bond me" and we get to pay for it? I'd also like to know who pays these proposed higher taxes. Is it home owners or all wage earners in the WECRD District?
Why does it seem there are so few concerned about another tax levy for anything in this town? Are there really that many wealthy in town? How can this WECRD scam go through and be legal? And no, I don't really think the two New people running will change much of anything. I'm so ready to give up on this town and I've lived here for 25 yrs. Our City Leaders should be doing everything possible to help out their citizens, not run them all out of town, makes no sense to me. When we all bail out, all they will have left will be the base...
Had to change the photo...it had a copyright that I did not notice prior. You are right on Bazooka. They are going to try to pass this thing and say we can "afford" it. At least they will have their pools. Perhaps at night it can double as a homeless shelter when few can afford to keep their homes due to sky high taxes. It can double as one of those old school bath houses.
The WECRD board can't get their act together on anything. Look at the site they have changed the meeting time again for Sept to 3:30 PM instead of 4 and now there is a special meeting on the 29th at 3:30 PM, wonder what that one is all about. I guess all the time changes for meeting is to handle the boards own schedule instead of the public