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What You Get For Your Money--Mountain Home StylePosted Monday, September 6, 2010, at 2:51 PM
Yeah, like the tea bag says...
Mountain Home School District Administration Building Mcmurtrey, Timothy W. Superintendent Annual $100,147.00 3/12/2010 Mountain Home School District Administration Building Mcmurtrey, Cheryl K. Technology Assistance-sec Annual $67,016.00 3/12/2010 Mountain Home School District Mountain Home Junior High Sch Mccarrel, Jr., William H. Principal-secondary Annual $86,184.00 3/12/2010 (You know---the guy who "quit" after 2 months of paid leave) Mountain Home School District Mtn Home Afb Primary School ..... Principal-elementary Annual $88,438.00 3/12/2010 Mountain Home School District Administration Building ...... Building/grounds Maintenance Personnel Hourly $29.69 3/12/2010 This one is REALLY rich...the district money man... Mountain Home School District Administration Building Ogborn, Clifford A. Business Manager/district Clerk Hourly $45.30 3/12/2010 Do the math on that one. $45.30 X 40 X 52. ALL PUBLIC RECORD directly from here: Not bad money for 8 months work. What YOU get for YOUR money Mountain Home School District style. Boy am I glad that levy passed so the fat cats at the top do not starve to death. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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I want a job there.
I got the wrong job.
Here's a few more
Junior High Library Media Specialist $68,474.00
Senior High Fitness/Conditioning $66,018.00
Technology Assistance-sec $67,016.00
I'd work in Mountain Home for that instead of commuting to Boise.
LMAO at this group.
DO you even know what a college education is worth? Have you compared these saleries to other people who have a College BA, BS or higher?
FYI...it is not 8 months of work. Admin work 12 months/ year. Teachers, well, way to live in your own world, as usual. Do you really think teachers work 8 months out of the year? I bet you think they work only 7 hours a day too...
I would be curious to what YOU think they should be paid. THAT would be interesting.
You want to be paid more? Get a college education. Quit complaining about others lives, careers, pay...you've chosen your path, now walk it.
Based on other salaries in the Idaho public school system, I don't think the IT jobs are out of line. I don't know that we need the number of 65k positions we have based on enrollment. But dollar wise they seem about right.
mhgirl,
How positions on OMs' list are teachers? How many of the building maintenance people have a BA, BS or higher?
A point on the grounds maintenance- they don't work 8 hour days. And they don't work every day.
mhgirl
Let's see, what are some of those other salaries of those w/a BA, BS or higher, as I work for one of those positions and don't make HALF of what Mr. McMurtrey makes.
My brother, who has his BA and is working on his masters, who works for the state government in Canyon County, doesn't make half that salary either. And guess what. We work all year round. We have had to take decreases in pay, demotions due to budget cuts and mandatory furloughs between the two of us due to the economy.
How 'bout some of our local government whose MQ's need a degree. Elmore Prosecutors office - about $40,000 - to $70,000ish for the ATTORNEY positions. Pretty sure they work all year 'round too. The Elmore Director of Juvenile Probation, a position that also needs a degree, makes less than $45,000. Take a look at that building they have to work in and they work with a lot of the kids the schools can't deal with and always complain about. And the juvenile probation officers, (degree needed) make even less than that.
Well, I could go on and on, because there are a lot of state and county jobs that require a degree. Just because you have a degree doesn't ensure you will or SHOULD make a particular salary. I chose my job because I think it is important,challenging and I knew at the time approximately what my salary would be. If I moved to Oregan or Washington, I would be making a lot more for the same job. But I like it here and I chose to be here, so that's how it is.
Whether it's foreign policy or schools, the government's answer to a problem is collect more taxes and throw money at it. This doesn't work and it needs to stop. We pay enough in taxes. How much has State tax increased in the last 25 years or so? Doubled, I think. In another 25 years, do you want to be paying 12% state taxes. DOUBLED in 25 years. That is INSANE. How may years in Idaho's history did it take to get to a 3% tax. We can't continue at this rate.
Check out MyGovernmentSpending.com
"The US spends more money per student than any country except Switzerland for its feeble results. It shells out nearly $9,700 per student annually for a 489 score on the PISA test in science. Germany, New Zealand, Australia, and South Korea all pay between $5,500 and $6,5003 per student and get scores in the 525 range. In this instance, American public education is only 52% to 62% as cost-effective as its competitors.
MHGirl:
I am a college grad---2 times. I never said a college education was not a good thing or that people should not go to college. Way to go twisting the words. I am an advocate of education but against mis-use of taxpayer dollars. ONCE AGAIN---I AM NOT ANTI EDUCATION. And FYI, I worked my way through college (FT) and got student loans. So, I know how hard it is to get an education. I do "walk the path." Did teachers go into their line of work to get "rich?" Now, they complain about their pay when it is nearly double (for some anyway) than the average salary in this town. Yep, walk that path.
mhgirl,
I know the value of a college education, my father had one. I also know that teacher's "work" more than the eight months in the school year because he was a teacher. I am not complaining about what anyone makes or what they do with their lives.
I simply said,"I want a job there". You seem to see some extra words in that little sentence that did not come from me. What grade are you in?
Ms. L didn't list "maitenance man." She listed the Admin. of Maitenance: He oversees ALL the Maitenance and Maitenance employees in Dist. 193. He works every day, all day. His salary is justified.
If you propose that these saleries should be cut because you don't want to pay them with your taxes, then we need to start cutting military, police, fire dept, federal gov. jobs, and all jobs that are paid through "your taxes". Otherwise, it would be just socialistic to target one group.
@ CouriousParents - what in my post made you think this was only/or directly to you? It was a broad statement toward all posts and Ms. Lauric 's post. Nice dig by the way..."what grade are you in?" That is some good debating right there... -end of direct message to CP.
Why should the teachers be paid less because the get more than what most people in this town make? They are not strictly paid from this towns taxes, but STATE taxes (under normal certs.). Saleries should be based more or less what the teachers in Idaho are paid, not what "the locals get". Now, the levy will help keep them at that level (although still pretty low)...so they don't have to leave Mtn. Home and go teach somewhere else.
By the way...
Did you know that our Sherrif is the lowest paid sherrif in the state of Idaho, by $20,000?!? Do you really think that is ok because, "well, everyone else in Mtn. Home is making that little."? He should be paid based off what other county sherrifs are making in the state of Idaho.
I'm not dictating how you spend "your money." You've paid your taxes, so it is not your money anymore...it is the governemnt's. :)
I understand those extra $$ will be diffictult for a lot of people to give up...but, they'll have to make due for this year; if you all get off your computer and go to the meetings of the Board and School Dist., perhaps the second year of the levy can be prevented...I won't be trying to prevent it myself. You should try, but it won't work unless you voice your oppinion off-line.
mhgirl,
Never said it was directed at me. Was simply making myself clear as you were making a statement to the "group". And, the grade thing was no dig. I was simply curious as to what grade level you were in. I was thinking that perhaps you are in debate as several of the debate students do post here.
End of direct message to mhgirl.
mhgirl:
Government jobs and the military have been cut and continue to be cut in MANY areas (this of course does not include the White House or Obama's selective job creation plan). The military will have to cut TENS OF THOUSANDS of active duty positions---still---due to the legislation for downsizing the armed services.
I think the question about what grade you are in or how old you are is valid after this post:
"I'm not dictating how you spend "your money." You've paid your taxes, so it is not your money anymore...it is the governemnt's. :)"
What are they "teaching" young people in school these days? Tax dollars are OUR dollars. We SHOULD have a say in how they are spent, etc. Wow, your ignorance is really something. This is why this country is in the shape it is in.
Funny, our military folks, who are shot at and walk across mines and get body parts blown off are paid, in part, by the area (what it costs to live there). Is that right? Our enlisted folks are some of the most UNDER PAID people on the face of this earth. Should they make less than Tim McMurtrey or the MHSD money guy who has done SO WELL with the budget/spending? Really MHgirl? How old are you? That is an important detail.
Ask the sheriff how many county vehicles he has damaged since he has been in office. I bet more than any other sheriff in the area. He is paid what he is worth.
"I understand those extra $$ will be diffictult for a lot of people to give up...but, they'll have to make due for this year; if you all get off your computer and go to the meetings of the Board and School Dist., perhaps the second year of the levy can be prevented...I won't be trying to prevent it myself. You should try, but it won't work unless you voice your oppinion off-line."
-- Posted by mhgirl on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 9:12 AM
You sound like Brian Orban from this paper.
mhgirl, it appears for whatever reason you don't want to answer the question of what grade you are in, if your even in school or an adult out in the world. If your still in school you must be failing in English your spelling is not all that great. For your info Maitenance, correct spelling is Maintenance which I could care less about cause I make my share of mistakes. My whole point in there are to many kids in school or dropouts think they know what the whole world is all about like they have lived it and still wet behind the ears. All the so called debates that have gone on by school kids shows they don't have a clue about the real world out there or what money or taxes is all about let alone trying to do a better job at their education. Instead of so many smoking, doing drugs, having babies should try to get an education and then get out in the real world and see what it cost when you start paying all the taxes, home, groceries etc. This bull of teenagers having kids and then the tax payers having to support them is bull, same goes for adults that don't work and using the system.
In some cases, $29.00 per hour is laughable...like when you are having a family reunion, and it's Christmas Eve, and your toilets back up. Try getting a plumber at that price.
You made my point mhgirl. The State and it's employees were given some pretty good pay cuts with mandatory leave without pay and positions being eliminated. And the Dept of Ed was included in these cuts. We did NOT have the money, so cuts HAD to be made.
Then the levy - now takes money from basically a poorer, low income county, for the Mountain Home School District, who already make generally more than most here. Yeah, we can't have them tighten their belts like the rest of State and Elmore county. How bout all those folks here that lost jobs, pay, income, this last year or two and now get taxed more on top of it. Well, I guess according to you, THEY can make due, but the school district shouldn't have to.
Mr. McMurtry's salary rivals the governor's. In fact the governor and his administration have arranged to take a 4% salary decrease. McMurtrey makes more than Tom Luna, the Sup't of Public Instruction, more than the State Treasurer, the Attorney General and the Secretary of State.
And your comment ""I'm not dictating how you spend "your money." You've paid your taxes, so it is not your money anymore...it is the governemnt's. :)"
Disgusting. An idiotic comment if I ever saw one. This is your level of comprehention of government responsiblity? Right...let them eat cake. Your position on this blog makes perfect sense now.
Perhaps, instead of you in your ignorance, telling folks "to get a college education," when you have virtually no idea on ANYONE's education level in this blog, you ought to work on your own.
"I wish we'd known we were going to get this money this spring. We could have kept some of the things we had to cut," McMurtrey said...
Now this is forward thinking.
I think it is unfortunate that (at least it would seem anyway) that our education system is doing such a poor job of educating our young people with respect to Government. If this is our future and we rely on what they are being taught (such as tax dollars paid out by us is not our money once it reaches the hands of our "Government"...just one example) then we are in pretty sad shape as a nation.
Another example would be the grammar of these young people---and I am not even talking about words that are not spelled correctly in these posts. These are all examples of how our education system is working (or not working).
I find it sad. It proves to me that a good portion of MY tax dollars are not well spent. Review of test scores is another indication. The facts are the facts. When HS students from 20 years ago are put up against students of today...the students of 20 years ago are more advanced (as far as reading skills, writing skills, math skills, understanding and knowing history, etc.) I am sure and they were educated with far less funding, lower paid teachers and far less fancy buildings, etc. That should tell us something.
Kids are being home schooled because parents do not feel the education system we have (public schools) do the job. They also do not like the "system." They can teach their children at home, in many cases, and get them graduated and on to college in less time at home. Many also test higher. If I had kids, I would home school. At least they would have books to use and nobody would have to pay me 45K to do it. Accountability. That is what it is all about.
This is good:
III. CONSIDERATION OF BILLS -- Cliff Ogborn. Mr. Ogborn presented the district bills for approval. Trustee
Murray asked why we are paying $291.50 for West Elementary for their Muffins for Moms. Mr. Ogborn replied
the muffins didn't cost that, it's just that this report picks one line of information to print on the check register.
This was a bill with multiple items on the invoice, but the system only picks one line to print and it printed
Muffins for Moms. Mr. Ogborn said he would have to look at the invoice of the bill to see what other items
were included with that payment, but the muffins probably only cost less than $30. Mr. Gilbert said this has
been a program used for years to get parents into the school. Once a parent comes to the school once, they
usually come back on their own. Trustee Murray said it is a bad perception for the public to see a bill for
Muffins of $291.50. Mr. Ogborn said we would have to consider the name given the purchase instead of the
reason for the purchase. Trustee Murray asked is there was a policy or procedure allowing schools to spend a
certain amount of money. Mr. McMurtrey replied he wonders why West didn't use their building funds instead
of General Funds. Trustee Murray suggested the Parent Groups (PTT) could pay for muffins. Mr. McMurtrey
stated we would do things differently, no more muffins or donuts for parents. Trustee Rodney moved to
authorize payment of the district's bills as presented, with a second from Trustee Reynolds. Motion carried. (A
full and complete listing of the District's bills may be reviewed at the District Office, Accounts Payable.)
The above was directly from the last MHSD Board Meeting Minutes. Priceless!
I think you make some good points Bman. I've known a few kids that were home schooled and all I can say is WOW. Quite a differance, but it is a limited perception, as I don't know many. But if a home can produce students like I have seen, I wonder why the school has difficulty just keeping kids even interested in school (according to the SD and their plea for more $$) and they have all the advantage of labs and media rooms, etc.
Parents are part of the problem. IMO, kids have to have everything now. They have wo have the newest cell phones, video games, school equipment, etc. They have to be entertained, rather than taught? And the restrictions for the kids - take a pocket knife to school and you get suspended. I feel sorry for the kids. They aren't being taught how to take care of themselves or think for themselves. They are making the world devoid of anything dangerous that could potentially harm them. And if they do come to harm, then it is 'somebodies' fault and then litigation. Look at the Meridian SD, I think it was, and the complaints that their kids have to walk 1.5 miles to school and the dangers they poor kids face. It's no wonder the kids look to the gov't to spend their money for them.
Get pregnant in school now, no biggy. We will pay for your abortion w/out parental consent if you'd like. If not, we will provide you with low-income housing, food stamps, WIC, energy assitance, and medicaid...and in the future health care too. Because you know, it's your RIGHT to have children, and we will pick up the tab on the RESPONSIBLITY to provide for them
Really, the whole mindset is becoming 'what can the gov't do for me'. It's truely sad - our independent, free, and sometimes dangerous and volitile America, becoming so bland, pampered, scared and regulated. We are becoming a country of mindless milksops. And TAXES pays for most of this. Well, either we will start voting to change this, or it will bust at some point and we will not longer have quite the same place/function in this world. Though, that may be the point, I think.
OM - LOL...bait for parents to try and get them to school. Sad, I must say. My line of thinking, if they have to raise my taxes, NO muffin money is to be dished out of tax money, I don't care what fund it is. Sounds like the Parent Groups are not tax funded and they can appropriately pay for muffins. My question is, was this 'meeting' before or after they got the bond. It better have been before, or it appears they did not go over the books real well before they started digging deeper into our pockets.
This meeting was in June and this was all from the last minutes posted on the MHSD web page. There are other interesting things as well, I just picked my top 2.
OM- What children are you referring to about grammar? Because I'm not 100 percent sure that MHgirl is a HS student, so unless you've been secretly reading the English essays the high school assigns, you are judging it on my grammar, Becca's grammar, and sunshinechristy's grammar, and I assure you, it is not poor, especially when compared to the grammar of some adults on this website.
The Library Media Specialist at the JH is now a classified person and not making that much an hour. The other librarian retired and so to save money they made it classified not certified.
Thank you for the info snafu. Here are some others:
Mountain Home School District North Elementary School- Elementary-all Subjects 1-3 Annual $58,916.00 3/12/2010
Mountain Home School District East Elementary School- Physical Ed 1-5 Annual $55,061.00 3/12/2010
Mountain Home School District West Elementary School- Mentor-elem Annual $58,916.00 3/12/2010
Mountain Home School District Mountain Home Sr High School- Chorus 7-8 Annual $68,479.00 3/12/2010
Mountain Home School District Mountain Home Sr High School- Fitness/conditioning Annual $58,916.00 3/12/2010
Mountain Home School District Mountain Home Sr High School- Fitness/conditioning Annual $66,018.00 3/12/2010
Mountain Home School District Administration Building- Director-other Annual $98,579.00 3/12/2010
Does any body know any thing about these jobs?
Junior High Library Media Specialist $68,474.00
What does the Media Specialist do?
Senior High Fitness/Conditioning $66,018.00
What is High Fitness/conditioning?
Technology Assistance-sec $67,016.00
What does the technology assistant do that the Technology person doesn't have time to do?
The library media specialist is the librarian of the library. It is now a non certified position. She also takes care of checking out electronic equipment that students or staff can check from the library. It is all on the school website. Tech assist is someone that fixes all the computers in the sd.
Thank you snafu for the info..... I was just wondering what the jobs consisted of...:)
So now the Librarian has a new title or is she still called the Librarian too? Years ago I volunteered over at west and I don't remember the Librarian being called the media specialist
"The Tech assist fixes all the computers in the SD "
what does the Tech do, if this is what the assist does?
at elementary levels the media lab person is a fancy name for the computer teacher. they are not a certified position so they dont have to pay lots of money.
OM would you care to answer my question?
No lilmiss, I would not. What is the point? What some write speaks for itself. As far as some of the adults on here that you refer to---not all of them are HS graduates. They do the best that they can. Someone on here was nice enough to point out that those were different times. So, with all due respect---for those who are afforded an education and do not know the difference between their and there or too, to and two---that tells me how well our local schools are doing. When you are in HS and read at a 6th grade level---that is another good indication how well things are "working." Would you like me to focus on math or have I made the point on this subject? Did that work for ya?
Ms. Lauric I simply wanted to know which HS students you were referring to, because the writing does NOT speak for itself, unless you are referring to HS students I didn't know existed on MHN.
Do not generalize, especially because the active students on this website have fabulous reading skills. I was reading at a senior level when I was in fourth grade, thank you very much. I wanted specifics, because I don't know who could possibly be writing so poorly you feel the need to comment.
So no, that did not work for me.
Oh well.