Obamacare Facts not Talking Points

Great web site, Marilyn and great idea for a blog!

We're pretty sure the obamacarefacts.com website is wrong. Nowhere does it insist saying if you are for Obamacare, buying Obamacare Insurance or not a member of the Tea Party will instamagically convert you into a socialist.

So we'll just head back to the real True Patriot website called infowars.com where they insist Obama will Push Nations Into World War 3.

I got this today in an email

Right-wing groups have launched a multi-million-dollar campaign to torpedo Obamacare before it even gets started.

Their plan: Mislead young people about how the law works so they get scared and don't enroll. The problem is that it really could work because if younger, healthier people don't participate, then costs will skyrocket and Obamacare will fail. Period.

It's disgusting--people could actually die because they don't get the health insurance they need, and our entire health care system would be thrown into chaos. But these groups are so blinded by hate for Barack Obama that they'll do anything to make his signature program go up in smoke.

WOW! That sounds so magical! It talks about tax breaks, refunds, reductions in cost, cost assistance, free services, and insures millions more are covered. Where is all this magical pixie dust money coming from?

My favorite part was this....."Those who chose to not purchase insurance will pay an income "penalty" tax to help cover the rest of us."

So, I choose not to purchase insurance for myself but, I still have to pay for yours?

And it gets better.... "In other words, it's a tax, not a mandate; no one is actually forcing you to have health insurance."

Let me get this straight. They're not forcing me to purchase this but, are forcing me to pay for something I'm not purchasing? Hahaha how the heck does that even make sense?

I apologize and can admit when I'm wrong. I should have been a liberal from the get go. I can't wait to quit my job, and have my wife start popping out babies. Food stamps, welfare, free housing, and free insurance here we come!!

What about pride, can we get that from the government too? Or do we still have to work hard and supply for ourselves to feel that? [sarcasm]

How about instead of forcing ME to pay for others, they force others for once! Force people who can work, to find a job. Force parents to teach their kids right from wrong. Force them to stop popping out kids they can't afford. Heck, just force people to TRY!

If I choose not to purchase this insurance, it may seem to you that it's my choice and just one "tax" that I have to pay. But have you looked at a paycheck lately? Have you seen how many taxes are listed on there? At what point can I be fed up as those "taxes" are approaching my take home pay? As the take home of the free loaders is steadily rising.

Kentucky Transplant, we've seen our paychecks alright. Not enough to cover health insurance in my family. And I've been told by the Tea Party members they want to get rid of those pesky regulation on minimum wage so my boss can pay me even less. (Sorry boss, but you know it's true.) We aren't talking about magic stuff here. We are talking about heath care for all the people in the greatest nation in the world. The same nation where we see $1 billion bombers flying over the heads of folks who cannot get heath insurance for preexisting conditions.

What is your idea for fixing the law of the land, Kentucky? Are you the vote for a 41st time to repeal or maybe something a little more moderate like fixing the parts of ObamaCare you don't like?

Most people have their insurance paid by their employers and I'm sure that is the case for KentuckyTransplant and his wife, yet he is crying over the people who decide to not purchase insurance and instead pay a tax penalty because taxes are part of living in a society.

He isn't crying over the many who have not been able to afford insurance or who have been denied insurance due to pre-existing medical conditions. He isn't crying over their children who have died because they couldn't afford the medical treatments they needed. These are some of the things that Obamacare fixes.

He offers no solutions, only complaints. Go ahead and cry and complain KentuckyTransplant.

KT I've been taxed for the past going on 14 years for a swimming pool that still doesn't exist. At least someone will benefit from you not buying health insurance.

I would say something but sara and sam have already said it.I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THE DISPARITY BETWEN HOSPITALS FOR THE SAME PROCEDURES TELLS THE WHOLE TALE.The article in the statesman showed that very vividly right here in boise with st als....and st lukes.Think about this a person goes to Europe for a hip replacement .....cost $13,000 VERS $ 87,000 here in the states......something is wrong.That's what this is about.Preventative health care pays at the other end.

I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT YOU FIND OUT HOW PEOPLE QUALIFY FOR WELFARE,BECAUSE YOUR BLANKET STATEMENTS ARE WITHOUT FACTS AS THEY FIT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF WELFARE RECIPIENTS.DON'T PAINT THE MAJORITY WITH YOUR WIDE BRUSH.We can always find the worst case scenario and make that the face of a problem,which in turn garners support.That is dishonest but it works,lets look past that to the real problems.

I agree Lamont. I do think the problem is with the cost of procedures. Hospitals should have been mandated, not the people. I also agree that I did use a blanket statement and apologize. It was mainly addressed at the freeloaders and those who believe that they deserve something just because I have it. And also those who complain about not being able to afford healthcare but, can afford internet access to post on a blog. I wonder how much their cell phone bill is?

The main reason my wife and I don't have kids together is, we can't afford it right now. We're not going to spit out a kid just because we can and expect someone else to take care of the cost because it's our "right" to have a child. But that's the mentality a lot of people have today.

I don't remember healthcare being a right, just like happiness isn't. You can pursue it all day long, and I'm sorry if you never find it. But people shouldn't be ticked at me and expect me to take care of that problem just because I have it.

I honestly woke up with blisters on my feet this morning from working so hard at my job last night. Guess how much extra is going to be on my paycheck? Nothing. But I know that I put everything I have into my job and could not have worked any harder, just like every night. I also know that come time for a promotion, I will get it. But you can also bet that there will be others who apply for the same promotion. Not because they worked just as hard, sweated as much, or came home with blisters on their feet, but because they "feel" like they deserve it.

That's the whole problem I have with society today, the sense of entitlement. And let's not forget the complete lack of accepting personal responsibility. Instead of the government addressing that as a source of the problem, they find it easier to appease society and reward the lazy.

Like I've said in the past, I'm all for helping my fellow man. But when is my breaking point? When is the burden on me so great that I have to pick up a second job rather than the parents who brought a child they can't afford into this world? If that's called crying and complaining, so be it.

KentuckyTransplant, what's wrong with the world is negative blanket statements about groups of people in order to rationalize why a country as rich as the United States should not help the uninsured to be able to be insured.

You are making guesses about people and their motivations and are no doubt way off on your psychic abilities to think and talk for other people. Oh and good luck on those blisters, poor guy!

I apologize Sam. I forgot that blanket statements are only allowed and true when they are directed at conservatives and the Tea Party. I'll be sure to keep that in mind.

Sure wish the internet had a font for sarcasm.

On the subject and content of this blog, KT, I'm not seeing any blanket statements about conservatives or the Tea Party.

A couple of specific web sites were mentioned as was a comment by Moral majority mentioned where he had said that being in favor of Obamacare made you a socialist but no blanket statements, other than yours, seem to have been made.

Doesn't the fact that the creators of this health care plan have exempt themselves from it raise any flags that this might not be the fix y'all think it is?

Congress (the creators) has not exempted itself from Obamacare Tinman65. See factcheck.org for a complete discussion of this.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/congress-and-an-exemption-from-obamacare/

Kentucky, you want to know how much a mobile plan and cable connection is each month that allows me to post on the internet and talk on a phone? The answer is a $100 a month for me and my significant other who also works.

You didn't ask any questions about health insurance costs. I gets quotes on that internet and phone plan each month. For the basic plan I'm willing to pay for runs around $525 a month or $6000 a year. Just a little out of our reach at the moment.

And you and the rest of the ultra-conservatives are correct in that health care isn't a right in the USA. The greatest nation in the world became even greater the moment the ObamaCare became law. Why, the moderates of this country thought it was an important part of becoming an even more prosperous nations. I know it must make you very proud that we have the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney and the right to own 5000 guns but not affordable health care.

The Youth Ranch in town has a small selection of used gloves Kentucky. You should pick up a pair to protect those tender, blistered hand of yours.

"Our military has no money left," Sen. Jim Inhofe Republican on the Armed Services Committee.

The Republicans make us laugh out loud.

I can tell you whats not fiction, I work for the base as a NAF employee, we have had no raises for the last three years, and come January my health insurance rate will raise yet again.

What's funny about this blog is, and I'm guilty of it myself sometimes, a statement doesn't even have to be made to be a blanket statement. (Does that make any sense?)

One word can be a blanket statement. Most on the left use words on here and we all know what they mean. To the left, Republican = rich white guy who lies and steps on babies for fun. Conservative = old white guy who lies, steps on babies for fun, hates gays, and shoots 12 of his 40 guns off at noon every day. Tea Party = shoots babies and gays, pretty sure is a Nazi, skins puppies during his free time, and hates everyone but his fellow Tea Party member (but is not above shooting them too if it will benefit his cause).

Like I said, I do it too and did it on this very blog when I described a liberal. Only thing is, it's usually only the left who gets upset, or atleast is allowed to get upset. When I tied liberals and freeloaders together, you guys kind of got upset. But it's OK to throw me in there with rich white guys who skin puppies? This whole country is getting way too sensitive and it's showing even with the little cry babies we elected to speak for us. :)

I have to run to work. Hope you guys have a good weekend.

KT

My husband & I were Republicans and sure not rich but we became independents when the Republicans took their heart out of Governing this great nation of ours.

Many Republicans have jumped ship in the last 10 years or maybe longer and more are still jumping into new waters, because the party became to conservative. They didn't see themselves as what the party wanted them to become.

Look at Chris Christie the Gov of NJ. He doesn't go along with what the party expects of him, so I am sure the party won't even give him a nod when it comes to the Presidential Election again. I think Chris Christie is for the people, and in my book most people want their politicians sitting over there in D.C. for them not for congressmen's own agenda's

You seem upset KT and now even assigning names and characteristics to the groups that you seem to like.

Moral majority you should review your previous comments on the Banter page.

I thought that we were supposed to talk about the topic of the blog which in this case seems to be Obamacare facts.

I think if you read the facts and then don't consider today but do consider the long term you will get the intent of the law.There are some good points to it and some bad points to it and that is true of almost all things.As in anything as all encompassing as this law there are clichés that need to be worked out or eliminated,nothing happens right away.Why should this be any different???

EVERYTHING CANNOT BE ABOUT MONEY BEING MADE BY THE ELITE FEW......that money comes out of your pocket and mine,they ought to look at it as if I am healthy I CAN MAKE THEM A LOT MORE THAN IF I AM SICK.........but that's to much like right......you can have all the personal responsibility in the world if you don't have the means it means nothing.........have a great day

I think that not all, but a lot of critics of Obamacare, that object on the grounds that they shouldn't have to be helping others to have insurance may be in truth thinking that if they can keep some of the population down: without insurance, without jobs, without citizenship, and without education then they are safe, they won't be on the bottom rung of society. They will always have those that they can feel they are superior too.

My experience has been that those that are more confident and successful in life are more willing to help those that are less fortunate. Those that are living paycheck to paycheck, maybe aren't willing to compete with the downtrodden.

It's kinda hard to cut and paste what you said moral major, since most of what you "say" is cut and pasted from another source.

Silly boy, you.

SAM........YOU ARE RIGHT it is part of my argument.IT'S like they have to ensure a permanent underclass.THEY talk competition but at what level???The other thing is our representatives are so out of touch with us they havn't got any idea what we really need.They hold town halls and talk but don't listen to a darn thing.They don't do real investigations,they listen to the news paper.When last did they just pick someone off the street and bring them to Washington and ask them some questions in front of a committee.......they are scared to..........I BETTER STOP I am on a soap box.........later

Thank you sam for the website, and you believe this website why? is it because the word fact is in its name! Or maybe its because you think our Government would never mislead the people.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/08/08/congress-gets-obamacare-waiver.. And I would guess that because this website says fox news in it they would be misleading the public right. We can throw websites at each other all night long and all that will prove is nobody really has a clue how this health care plan is going to affect this country. For all we know it will fail in the next five years and we will be no better of than we are now.

Sam 1776, it's not surprising ultra-conservatives do not use facts, search for the truth or even believe in commonly held mathematic and scientific principles. It was found during a recent poll only 6% of all scientists in the US call themselves part of the GOP.

Trying to prove affordable health care for all the people of this country is a great thing shouldn't be harder than disproving the FEMA Reeducation Camps conspiracy. Fox News will remain supreme in the eyes of the ultra-conservative and American moderates will continue to slide away from the GOP.

I agree Sara. Tinman, if you had taken the time to examine the website factcheck.org you would find that it has no affiliation to a political party, it's answers are based on facts, and do not support any political ideaology.

Fox News on the other hand is a conservative cheer leader, just the same as MS NBC is a liberal cheer leader.

I think it is pretty clear that you don't want facts, just a cheer leader to support your way of thinking.

Sam, I did read the information your website provided, all the way to the bottom. Were I also went out and read the websites they used to draw their conclusion. And two of them I use quit often when I want to find out what a liberal point of view is on a particular topic.( The Hill, Roll call) So all you did was share one more site that say the are politically neutral but don't quit mean it. My biggest problems with Obamacare is it is a demand not an option. It was developed by a government that could not find common ground on any aspect of this plan. So in order for it to pass each side had to bribe the other and in my experience that is not a good way to do business. There are so many wavers in this care plan that nobody has any idea how it will impact the individual. Just because I don't feel obamacare is the ultimate fix doesn't mean I am a ultraconservative. All it mean is I have taken the time to read both sides and draw my own conclusion. Instead of blindly following a government party weather they are right or wrong. So you keep letting the government lookout out for you and telling you how to live your life.. No really good luck with that...lol.

Go Fox News! Tell me more what to do. Rah, Rah, Rah. ..... So says Tinman. Keep spreadimg the lies Tinman.

Makes you wonder if and when Social Security, medicare, medicaid were enacted if all the nay sayers felt doom and gloom?

Speaking of earlier times, and past progress, here is a good quote from FDR.

"There are many ways of going forward, but only one way of standing still."

¯ Franklin D. Roosevelt

How about this one

"There are many ways to move forward, but don't do it blindfolded because there might be a cliff in front of you..."

I couldn't find the source of your quote, and therefore the context Tinman although doing a search on it brought up a lot of right wing web sites. It sounds like a Tinman quote, borrowed from parts of other tea party like quotes.

All of Tinman65's posts will be gone on Tuesday we suspect. No reason to respond to his fact turned opinion as soon as he searched for the truth.

IMHO anyone that thinks Fox News provides accurate information can't be too intelligent and may be untruthfall about what else he reads.

You three are quit comical in you attacks to maintain you one sided opinions. Not one time have you provided anything to back up your allegations towards me. Yes sam you did throw one website out there that used liberal website to prove liberal ideas. What lies have I spread, why don't y'all quit the name calling and discuss the questions.

1) this health plan is not an option, this is true right, if you don't have some type of insurance you will be fined right? and if you can't afford it some type of coverage will be provided right? (how exactly will that happen) Please point out the lies here.

2) I have read a lot of articles on waivers that have been give to certain religions and businesses. Now I understand why congress and them were conceded because they didn't want their coverage to change. And I believe that was resolved.

3) Yes the two parties did bribe each other. Or better known as politics as usual. (you give us this and we will give you that.). And because the two parties were so opposed to one another The politics as usual went wild.

So there they are the questions and dislikes I have posted. Were are the lies!

Oh and geordey just because a website like fox news post an article it is no more misleading that the liberal websites you read.

Oh and sara I do have one question for you. Were are my posts going to go?..LOL

Where are the lies? Clean up your grammar Tinman and review the website that is on this bog. I don't know how many times that you have to be told that Congress and employees of Congress have to have insurance.

I think that Sara may mean that instead of "Tinman" you will appear again as "American to Hope for" or "Thinker Free" or maybe "buckshot 666"

Sam, Did you even read the question. I did read your website and you are correct factscheck did say that congress being wavered was incorrect. And if you scroll down and read the websites they are using you will notice they are liberal in there opinion. But thats ok because it really only cleared the democrats, it says very little about the republican side of the fence, That my friend should make you very happy to know. And if you would have read question number 2, I stated that. ( I should have been more clear, it was late)

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/12/health-care-law-waivers/

If you go to this website (look its yours so it got to be true) it talks about 222 waivers that have been approved

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/153421-list-of...

Now this website is "the hill" and factcheck uses them, so the info must be true. What do these waivers do (1168) and how many years in a row can they be applied for. The Government may or may not be applying for waves it all depends on who you talk to. But the fact is waivers are being approved and that creates loop holes in the plan, and those loop holes bothers me!!

Those are some good names but I think the "think free" would be more suited for you.....lol

Tinman, the word that begins with s and ends with t in your 10pm post on August 31st will usually get your posts or all your posts deleted.

You should read the links that you post Tinman. I looked at the first one which says the following.

"Q: Has the Obama administration allowed corporations to "opt out" of the new health care law?

A: No. The government has granted more than 200 waivers, but these merely give companies a temporary delay before being required to improve the coverage of cheap, bare-bones plans they currently offer."

I'm not going to bother with the rest of your comments. You have been taking up too much of my time.

RICHARD TRUMKA, PRESIDENT AFL-CIO: The Affordable Care Act does need some modifications to it.

Only a Tea Party member would post a link to defend an ultra-conservative policy of voting to repeal a law that only needs modifications. And voting to repeal 40 times?

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

If some businesses are reducing employee hours to get around the law of the land, then there needs to be a law or a modification to the current laws to prevent that.

CoolBreeze are you suggesting that we repeal every law that some try to get around? In that case, let's repeal having a military force, let's get rid of the big fence between Mexico and the United States, and by all means let's repeal taxes because it's documented that people are always cheating on their taxes.

In the 1960's the average Employer made 20 times more then the Employee. Today the Employer makes 273 times more then the Employee.

UPS has made about 725 million in profit this year and is expected to hit a billion before the year is over. This company is kicking Employee's Spouses off their insurance plans because of Obamacare. Could it be because of Greed?

Yes, I believe that is because of greed and not a business struggling to survive.

The company that I work for has increased our insurance and benefits in order to keep and hire employees. That's a sign of the improved economic situation in the company. A few years ago, pay raises stopped, bonuses were few and far apart. Now it seems the company is using benefits (insurance, bonuses, conferences) as a way to keep us employees happy.

If any company in better economic times reduces benefits they will find it harder to hire people.

Here's something I found earlier today

Premiums for insurance plans offered in the Affordable Care Act exchanges will be lower than expected, according to a new Kaiser Family Foundation study of the 17 states and the District of Columbia that have published their rates. A typical 25-year-old earning $25,000 or less can expect to pay under $100 a month in premiums once the tax credits allotted to those earning 400 percent of the poverty level are factored in. South Dakota reported the highest after-subsidy monthly premium for a 25-year-old at $126; Vermont was the lowest at $0 a month.

There's more if you click on the link below

http://www.nationalmemo.com/obamacare-premiums-better-than-expected-but-gop-sabo...

That's good positive information MsMarylin.

It's been quite a productive month for the ultra-conservatives in the USA.

1/ 20 Tea Party groups sign a letter indicating they will accept no more compromising from their federal candidate.

2/ Congresspeoples Bachmann, Gohmert, and Steve King all expressed their admiration and thanks to the Egyptian Army. And only a few months ago there was a call to cut off all aid and military assistance from this now "quite amazing and democracy loving military".

3/ Now the ultra-conservatives have made an offer to the President. That offer is, the ultra-conservatives will sign off on war with Syria if and only if the President withdraws all money from a program that will provide health care to millions of Americans. That program is called ObamaCare or the ACA.

Are ultra-conservatives and the Tea Party really calling for a new government program called bombs for no health care? Sounds like something the Tea Party would do.

That's funny. In point 1 the Tea Party says no compromising and in point 3 is offering a compromise in order to bring about death in Americans (through no health care) and Syrians (through bombs) alike.

This blog might be dead, nobody has posted in a while, but I wanted to share a couple of things I learned at a staff meeting this week.

Employees who work more than 30 hours a week will not be eligible for the assistance subsidy to purchase health insurance on the state exchange. It may turn out that employers cutting hours actually does employees a favor, depending on how many hours the employee averaged pre ACA. Yeah, seems *** backwards to me too, but if 1 or 2 hours a week, even at a respectable $15.00 an hour, means the difference between a subsidy of $100 or none, people will actually choose to work less in order to get the subsidy. It already happens all the time with food stamps.

Additionally, employees will not be eligible for the subsidy to buy insurance on a state exchange if the employer offers a plan that already meets minimum requirements. So if I want a bronze plan, and what my employer is offering is gold or above, I will be have to choose between paying a higher premium for a plan that I may not use all the benefits of or losing the assistance I would otherwise qualify for.

That is interesting DANSHL. I haven't looked into that aspect of it because I prefer my employer's plan and actually add to it through my own payments.

I suppose there is going to be fall out and things tweaked to improve on universal health care. I still think that overall it has a lot more good things than problems.

I know a family that lost their young son because he needed a transplant and died before they could raise the money for it. they couldn't afford insurance. That was about 20 years ago but it was shocking to me.