Some Peoples Kids

Queers, Communists and Nazis still being used today? The 20th century called and they want their words back.

People equate natural feelings to some very nasty things these days.

Patrick, that letter made me cry. That's the definition of unconditional love.

Thanks Patrick for posting the letter. I hope more people read it.

"Gays have always been among us . God is our maker and he not only made straight he also made gay."

There are also pedophiles, did God make them too? If so, does it make it "OK"? And I'm pretty sure the Bible spoke out about homosexuality....

God didn't make gays. He made man and gave man free will to pervert as he pleases.

It's funny how some are all for others having an opinion and expressing themselves as they please... As long as it's an opinion that they agree with.

If a homosexual disagrees with my beliefs, that's alright with everyone. But if I disagree with a homosexuals beliefs, I'm an outdated bigot.

Nice way to sum it up KT.

Personally I don't care who is doing what and with who in the privacy of their home. But don't flaunt your homosexuality and then expect me to agree that it's an acceptable practice.

Not everyone who believes in God shares the same beliefs about homosexuality.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_God_make_homosexuals

I agree with you TundraRat.

I don't care to see some homosexuals flaunting their sexuality out in public. I also don't care the way some females dress showing off their sexuality in public.

I feel you should judge someone by their heart and nothing else. A good heart comes in all forms. I don't believe God ever intended for us put others down for such things. Nothin is perfect, and God and his creations are no exception.

So glad I am Athiest

Very true KTLM, so true

I think a better question would be to define exactly what it is that "the rest" of us have that they don't already have. A piece of paper doesn't guarantee a happy marriage. There are a lot of couples out there that have enjoyed happy, long lasting, committed relationships without a marriage license.

Ultimately what I'm hearing is that we're talking about benefits (entitlements). If this is the root of the problem, them maybe the federal government should look a redefining who get those entitlements. Since the federal government doesn't issue marriage licenses but individual states do, then it should be left up to each state to determine who is and isn't issued a marriage license.

Leagal issues can be handled with a Power of Attorney, Living Will, etc. And as far as a marriage license being symbolic of a lifetime commitment... According to statistics 50% of marriages end in divorce, that's hardly a lifetime commitment.

As I understand it the term Marriage has been around since the earliest recorded history. It was developed as a religious ceremony to legitimize a physical relationship between a man and a woman and yes it was supposed to symbolize a lifetime commitment. Modern governments has adopted the marriage license as a way to determine eligibility for certain rights and benefits.

Since some of our elected officials are trying so hard to remove any inference of religion form our government, maybe they should find another way to determine eligibility.

As far as being born gay is concerned, there are lots of studies out there with theories on both sides of the arguement. Until science can definitively one way or the other I'll just have to believe what I believe and you are welcome to believe what you believe.

I don't know if it's a conscious choice an unconscious choice, or if it's genetic, or chemical. I've read studies that have indicated each as a possibility. Until science can prove definitively one way or the other I have to believe that on some level it is a choice.

"Why would anybody choose to be gay?" It almost sounds like you think being gay is a bad thing. I'm not gay so I don't know why someone would choose to be gay.

It really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. As I stated earlier I don't care who is doing what with who, it's their business. Sexuality should be private not public and that goes for gay and straight.

As a completely heterosexual person, I value marriage because of the value society has placed on it for me.

My future father in law pretty much refuses to see me as a part of the family, though I have been part of his son's life since he was 15.

Sure, there are ways to signify your commitment to a person, but marriage is the ultimate, even if many don't value that.

It doesn't guarantee a lasting, happy marriage, but it validates feelings. Most humans wish to be validated and to have their feelings validated.

As far as being gay as a choice, I don't believe it. I didn't pick being straight. I just realized that I liked boys. And when someone says "I would never choose to be gay", they aren't insinuating that being gay is bad. People treat homosexuals poorly. I wouldn't choose to be harassed or have rights taken from me or my love downplayed or go to hell. Would you?

Strip it down to the basics here. Forget what the bible "told" you. Forget what grosses you out. Open your mind and start fresh.

If someone is happy, and they aren't hurting someone else to be that way, what does it matter?

I would be just as unhappy to have a straight couple make out infront of me as a gay couple. Sexuality is something to be kept private, behind closed doors.

A persons sexual preference does not make up who they are. Just as their hair color, skin color, religion, etc does not make up who they are. Who a person is on the inside is all that matters. Their tolerance to others, their compassion for others. If a gay guy took a bullet for you and saved your life, would you be so quick to judge him? Or how about if he saved your child? If someone saved the life of one of my children, I would hold them in the highest of regard... and all this other stuff would seem so petty.

If being gay isn't a choice, how is it that people who have been happily married for 10, 20, or even 30 years in some cases suddenly decide to divorce their mate and live a gay lifestyle? Or people who have been gay decide they are no longer gay and start living a straight lifestyle. We all have choices in life and each choice has a consequence. Some consequences are positive and some are not so positive. When you choose, you choose the consequences that come with that decision.

As I have said before, I don't care what you do with your personal life, it's your choice. Keep your personal life personal.

But I still have a problem with the federal government inerfering with what is a state matter. Again, the federal government doesn't issue marriage licenses, the individual states do. Each state should be allowed to establish their requirements for that license.

But ultimately it's up to the supreme court now. My guess is that they will take some middle ground. Either way my life will continue. My happiness and commitment to my spouse in not dependent on what they decide. Commitment within my relationship is not dependent on some piece of paper issued by the federal or state.

For all of those folks who are ready to change anything and everything. Keep in mind that it's much easier to make a change than to unchange it if it doesn't work out the way you thought it would.

Here's a very good article on Homosexuality. Sexuality is decided before birth

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/homosexuality--choice-born-science_n_20...

I think you should re-read that article with a more open mind. It infers the possibility of a genetic link or the possibility of a chemical influence causing a change while in the womb. But it does not definitively state or prove a genetic link. Only the possibility. It also states that environment has an impact.

As I said before it may be genetic, chemical or a choice.

I copied and pasted this from the article

"We know from studying rats that exposure to sex hormones in the womb during a critical period in brain development affects future sexual orientation. By manipulating hormone levels during this time, scientists can make rats engage in homosexual behavior later on.

So your brain was influencing your sexual preference even before you were born.

This can explain why many gay people feel that they have always been gay.

Brain development does not stop at birth, though.

A large amount of brain development takes place during childhood, when you are learning many new things -- including how your family and the adults around you believe you should feel about things and what they believe is acceptable behavior.

The education you receive as a child strongly affects how your brain will develop as you grow. For example, children who are given musical training experience changes to areas of the brain associated with hearing and motor control.

With the right experiences, your brain can change even after you have reached adulthood."

My thought

We have advanced in research on homosexuality and its on going. Hopefully in years to come researchers will learn more about the brain

Well, I guess I've been corrected by the grammar police. Thanks!

"Here's a very good article on Homosexuality. Sexuality is decided before birth"

The article linked to the above comment does not provide conclusive evidence that sexuality is determined exclusively before birth. It does state that certain hormones introduced at at critical time caused rats to exhibit homosexual tendancies.

It also states that:

"A large amount of brain development takes place during childhood, when you are learning many new things -- including how your family and the adults around you believe you should feel about things and what they believe is acceptable behavior.

The education you receive as a child strongly affects how your brain will develop as you grow. For example, children who are given musical training experience changes to areas of the brain associated with hearing and motor control."

Finally it also says:

"With the right experiences, your brain can change even after you have reached adulthood."

So as I stated before, sexuality may be determined by genetics, caused bychemicals (hormones), or simply a personal choice. But as human beings we all have to ability to change things about our life that we are unhappy with.

Just so that I'm perfectly clear. I'm of the opinion that most if not all gay people choose that lifestyle (my opinion). But with said if being gay makes someone happy...good on you. Just don't try to force me to accept your way of life as the norm. Sexuality belongs in the privacy of your relationship not on display for the world.

Have a good folks.

Tundra Rat Do you know any gays or lesbians?

Trevorknows I tried your link but its choppy using my computer so I didn't see the whole thing.

MsM,

As a matter of fact I do have friends who are gay.

Everybody seems to have an opinion on the issue. Just remember that opinions are just like another part of our anatomy...they all stink.

At this point none of our opinions matter, the Supreme Court will render their verdict soon and either way they go at least half of us won't be staisfied. Maybe none of us will be(I think this is the most likely outcome).

The one thing I know for sure, is that the sun will rise and life will still be good!

We just had a couple lady's from a church come knocking on our door. Then they went across the street to the gay couples house and knocked on their door.

They didn't stay there as long as they did at our house.

Do you suppose the one who answered the door told them their situation and they left abruptly because

1. They weren't interested in church ?

2.The church people learning they're at a gay couples house left because they didn't want them to belong to their church?

Well Trevor not the case They had just left our house and we were on our way out when they came to our door. We stood outside talking to them and then we seen them walk to the house across the street. As we were pulling out of our drive way they were walking away from the house across the street.

So there you have it. lol!

Zook I will one of these days

Trevor and Patrick are you for Beastiality and Pedophilia also?

If not are you not discriminating?

Where is the line drawn?

Patrick,

Who is to say an animal or another person is getting hurt? These are just options just like is being gay natural or un-natural.

I remember a story of a guy that wanted to marry his truck; would you be ok with that? As the truck can't be hurt but it could be made all legal.

How about someone that wants to marry more than one person, they have a lot of love to give. I'm sure your all for multiple wives/husbands.

Can we make LEGAL marriage between any object, person, creature and/or multiples of the above?

I'm just asking because it is a slippery slop to total anarcy which I do believe we are well on the road too anyway. But of course like anything else it is just an option just like everyone else has.

Please explain how marrying more than one person hurts people?

I'm sure if I had more than one wife they would get together and bury my body some place, but I'm curious why having more than one spouse hurts people but having a spouse of the same sex doesn't?

you do realize the truck would have all the same rights as any spouse. If they guy is drunk driving or has pot in the truck none of the evidence taken can be used against they guy as the truck can't be forced to incriminate him in court. This would open a new can of worms, I'm glad this is all thought out.

What it comes down to .............. It's ok with our Courts for a gay couple to adopt kids but God Forbid they Marry.

I guess we found something we agree on...

I also think the goverment should get out of the marriage buisness. There should be no tax breaks, no laws, no benefits or penalties from marriage. It should be a religious thing only. If you are not of the faith then doesn't matter. The only time the courts get involved is for a break up and everything gets split 50/50.

Same goes for children, no tax deductions, no earned income...scam, if you want to have children then you better be able to afford them..

If a man lies with another man he should be stoned to death.

If a woman isn't a virgin upon her wedding day, she is to be taken to her fathers house and stoned to death.

WOW! Imagine if we did that today! Should we pass a law saying non virgin's cannot marry?

There was so much stoning to death back in that time.