What were they thinking?Posted Monday, March 28, 2011, at 11:10 AM
Couldn't our legislators find a better bill to sponsor then some thing so stupid as Bill HB 222, wasting our tax dollars to even debate something like this.... The housed passed it but the Senate didn't....... It FAILED and I am happy about that....... Rep Erik Simpson from Idaho Falls sponsored this Bill. Thank Goodness the Majority ruled and some Legislators had sense enough to vote NO on it. If this Bill would of passed it would allow people to obtain concealed gun permits so they could carry a gun on all of Idaho's college campuses.... We already have a gun problem across America, innocent young people getting killed at public schools and colleges because of some lunatic with a gun. Rock concerts and sporting events and GUNS will not work or will it ever work for me!! Did they really think this would attract Entertainers. I don't think so, I think they would be in fear of their safety I can see it now at one of the Bronco vs. Vandals football games. Umpire makes a call, fans start getting upset and yell profanity's at the umpire. The crowd gets angrier and angrier and someone in the crowd who is carrying a concealed weapon pops off a couple rounds at the umpire and get's him plus a couple of the players. I could go on an on with other scenario's, but you get the picture don't ya ? Utah is the only State that allows concealed Guns on college Campuses and lets keep it that way. We don't need to follow Utah Next year our legislators are going to try again to pass this Idiotic Bill ! I hope it fails again !! Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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There was (and still IS) a "no guns on campus" policy at Virginia Tech.
There are also no Law-Enforced metal detectors at the doors like there is at courthouses. That "nut" KNEW the only gun on that campus was HIS, and NO COPS anywhere close.
The count was THIRTY TWO by the time it was over.
A trained student with a CCW, would have stopped that guy in his tracks. He might have gotten one or two, but never THIRTY-TWO!
Where were the "police?"
Remember the afternoon we ran into each other in Wally World, when you were up there shopping with Pat? You don't know it, but that was most likely the SAFEST 15 minutes you had all day.
If Donna and I go out to dinner somewhere here, Boise or elsewhere, and some clown waltzes in and starts throwing lead around, he'll never live to empty the magazine unless he gets me first.
A gun in the hand is a whole lot better than a dispatcher on the phone.
Anyone who believes there are not guns on the campuses of Idaho is na*ve. The bad guys are bringing weapons anywhere they want to, whenever they want. This bill would have only affected law abiding citizens.
Ms Marilyn,
You have only given half truths in this blog. currently, 26 states, including Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and Wyoming, prohibit legally permitted individuals from carrying concealed weapons on campus. Another 15 states allow their colleges and universities to make rules regarding concealed carry, including Idaho, Colorado, and Montana. Eight states let local police decide on a case-by-case or "may issue" basis. Utah is the only state to allow concealed carry at all public colleges and universities, prohibiting those schools from making their own regulations.
Of the 26 colleges nationwide that allow guns on campus, all but two are in Colorado and Utah. Several other states have pending legilation similar to HB 222 up for consideration this year.
Please consider the number of these tragic school school shootings were committed by individuals with concealed carry permits.
jtrotter
So your saying 26 states allow guns and they don't need the CWP? I didn't know that, I was only writing about what our legislators were doing with the guns on campus issue.
In my eyes there is no place for Guns at any school.
This shouldn't even be debated by our legislators.
I liked what Zook had to say about the metal detectors.... If they had those in place at events, then maybe the criminals won't be packing.
No, 26 states do not allow anyone to legally bring guns to school. In your eyes, there is no place for "legal" guns at school. Mountain Home High School can not afford text books for their students. You expect them to buy metal detectors for the entrances to the football stadium, the basketball court the track and all of the academic areas? How we supposed to scan all of the participants and spectators of the High School Golf Team? Then there is the maintenance and upkeep for the equipment, lots of money. Who do we get to monitor these metal detectors? An unarmed security guard that makes $8.50 an hour? That would be effective. I think if you read the Idaho law you would be suprised at what it says. It is currently up to the school to determine who may or may not carry concealed weapons on campus. HB 222 would have taken that responsibility from the school and given it to the state.
The only college campuses this would have affected were publicly owned colleges. Private colleges could still do whatever they want. So if Ricks/BYU Idaho wanted to make it illegal they could. Only the universities paid for with my tax dollars would have to follow the law of the rest of the state.
This bill is done this year but next year it will be back, and I believe it will pass.
I think they should install metal detectors and check everyone for guns and if they don't have one, give them one.
On his inaugeration day, the president was protected by 11,500 soldiers and 4,000 police officers...........with body armor and automatic weapons.
Nobody was assigned to protect MY family.
I will continue to carry.
The liberal dream of a Utopian world is a wonderful concept, but is impossible unless everyone on the planet is on the same sheet of paper. THAT is never going to happen.
"No guns allowed" in a restaurant, mall or anywhere ELSE where many people might gather, is an open invitation to the sickos. They KNOW that most people are law-abiding and are going to comply, and WON'T be armed.
These nuts are self-destructive and always want to take a bunch of people WITH them before they "off" themselves. What better place to do it, than a large capacity area where they won't be "opposed" by anyone? Virginia tech will forever stand as a monument to "what NOT to do."
Restricting good people will never protect them from the bad ones. If anything, it'll make good folks even MORE vulnerable!
Although I've owned guns for over 40 years, I've never carried concealed until about 10 years ago, as the courts continued to let the sickos off on technicalities and loopholes.
These bums have more rights than their VICTIMS have! And they always manage to get "put away" in some "mental rehabilitation facility", after they SLAUGHTER somebody's family.
The cops can't be everywhere at once........and I'm not the president, so I don't RATE any "Secret Service."....so I will protect MYSELF and those around me.
When the cops finally DO get there, they won't have to ask if anybody "RECOGNIZED the shooter", 'cause he'll be laying right there on the floor.
Bazooka,
You make me smile Sir and give me hope for the future of this great nation. Just remember keep squeezing til you hear the "click" deceased bad guys do not sue nor do they take up tax dollars sitting in a comfy prison cel.
Even if your carrying a concealed weapon there is always the element of surprise, off guard.
Then there's how quick are you on the trigger, and your location, will you have a good clear shot so you don't shoot everyone but your target?
My husband has a CWP and we have plenty of guns at our house. I don't feel any more secure then if we didn't have them.
My brothers little boy was accidentally shot and my sister in law was murdered by a gun...
MsMarylin,
I know your opinion will never be changed on this subject but you have to stop thinking that your sister in law was murdered by a gun. She was murdered by someone that used a gun, the gun did not kill her. That is my entire argument, no matter what the laws are, guns will be used by PEOPLE to commit crimes.
Thank You jtrotter for respecting my opinion. It's a pleasure to debate with you without the insults. I won't change my mind on guns. When tragedy happens in your family it changes your thoughts about many different things.
Take the Arizona shooting, Jared Loughner within 16 seconds shot the Senator in the head first and then turned on the crowd of people gathered there. Shooting 18-19 people killing 6. How could this have been prevented? Who there knew he had a gun and was about to use it. No One!! No One knew until it was to late.......
How was he stopped ? Wasn't it a lady who clobbered him with her purse?
Thank you MsMarylin, I do respect your opinions and your right to express them, I find no value in mudslinging. Luckily for the rest of the crowd, that lady had a permit to carry her purse and she was trained to use it. ;) There can not always be someone there, including a police officer, when they are needed. One person knew he was there with a gun and could have prevented this crime, unfortunatly he was mentally ill, he would not seek help, and those who loved him would not admit that he was dangerous. There is no cure all for this. Taking away rights and freedoms is not the answer.
The person that killed my Sister in Law was also very disturbed. After he shot her several times she was able to crawl to her phone and call 911. She died laying on the living room floor with her hand on the phone.
After the killer left he stole her car and down the road somewhere on his crime spree, he took a lady and her 2 small children hostage. They had helicopters flying over head and they were able to capture him by knocking him down with the police car. He was placed in Pelican Bay but I think they moved him to another location. He didn't look odd, he was quite handsome, some say he looked like Patrick Swayze. Her death happened in California, she was 35 years old, left behind her husband and 2 young children.
I am sorry to hear about her. I still do not believe that more gun laws would have prevent her tragic death. People like this will find a gun to use or they will use a knife, ax or some other weapon.
What ABOUT that creep who is now in Pelican Bay, kicked back & living on our tax dollars?
If they'd start executing these scumbags instead of "trying to under-STAND them," a LOT of these tradgedies would cease to exist.
We have the crime that we do today, because the criminal element no longer has any fear of the law, and this goes hand-in-hand with what I just wrote about on Kelly's blog about terrorist countries no longer fearing US because we've become so soft and "PC"
But the act of murder has never been a matter of weapon, but of WILL. They never caught Jack the Ripper OR his knife.
Albert DeSalvo (the Boston Strangler), strangled 13 women, many of them with PANTYHOSE.
Those women were just as dead as if they'd been shot.
A guy up in Boise, beat his girlfriend to death with a hammer a few years back, (and I'll bet that hammer wasn't even REGISTERED either!
What was it.....LAST year or the year before.......that guy in Austin, Texas deliberately flew his Cessna into the side of an IRS building.
Then there was the utcase down in Hammett who purposely ran that car of the road, killing his wife/girlfriend, (whatever she was).........
What do we do?........ban pantyhose, hammers, private airplanes and cars?
If some creep wants to kill you........not having a gun isn't going to stop him.
Guns have ALWAYS been the "scapegoat" of the left-------------but it's the HUMAN MIND and ATTITUDE that kills, and they'll use whatever tool is at hand to get the job done.
And they do it today with CONFIDENCE, because they know there are good shifty lawyers out there who cut deals, plea-bargain, and get sentences REDUCED.
This guy they just extradited back up here from Mexico. They have ALREADY agreed NOT to seek the death penalty if he is convicted. And with every "deal" that gets made in this country, it only strengthens the criminal element that much MORE out there!
But it's the honest gun owners who end up taking the heat...........yeah, let's strip THEM if we can, while we cut the deals and give the breaks to the ones who ARE committing the crimes.
He has "rights" you know............
Over a third of the prison population in the southwest is made up of illegal aliens, but if the leftwing anti-gunners in D.C. had THEIR way, all private citizens in this country would be UNARMED-------------even as Eric Holder sues Arizona and stands up for the BAD GUYS!
Basically, disarm NORTH of the border and open the gates SOUTH of the border.
They just about have more rights than WE do.
The barrel's still gonna be hot when they "pry" mine from me.
There is no simple answer and I know it's not just guns that kill.... It doesn't mean that because we have dangerous people living among us that I have to like guns !
I will never like guns period ! ! And like you guys I used to shoot guns but not any more...... They are made to Kill, what else does a gun do? If you don't shoot them then what do you do with them?
I have items I use every day and they could be used to kill someone but I use them for what they were made for.... Not to use to kill someone.
Guns don't give me any peace of mind.
Zook if you have a mental break down, I would be afraid of you !
Ha-ha..........not to worry, MsMarylin!
I guess maybe it comes down to "perspective."
Yes, technically, guns ARE designed to kill. I carry MINE to keep from BEING killed.
I think our life's are planned out. We don't know when or how we will end!
I try not to live in fear..........
I could of died a long time ago but I figure it wasn't my time :)
I don't live in fear either. I know what's holstered under my jacket. The other guy DOESN'T.
I think there's a difference between "living in fear", and "being prepared, and ready if necessary."
I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GUNS FOR PROTECTION IN THE HOME.My problem is the people who use weapons to intimadate and to commit crimes.The accident are the thing that really gets to me .brother shots his brother MHAFB 1974-5,the streets of mtn home that 16 yr old could have been crippled for life. How do you stop that kind of thing from happening????????? thats my problem..I PERSONALLY DONT LIKE ASSAULT WEAPONS IN THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS.......they are definetly for one purpose only.
AND THEN WE GET THE PERSON WHO ASUMMES SOMEONE IS GOING TO HURT THEM AND THEY KILL THEM ....FLORIDA.... 2 KIDS SHOT TO DEATH TRICK OR TREATING......DOOR TO DOOR...PARENTS THERE IF I REMEBER CORRECTLY....so as there are cases for there are cases against.I MAINTAIN IT IS A PERSONAL CHOICE......i dont want them in the hands of crazy people.and i dont know how we do that.
67 million gun totin' Americans did not shoot anybody yesterday. It's behavior, not gun ownership that results in the tragedy of firearm misuse.
Anyone who abdicates their self defense to the police shouldn't complain when help shows up 5 minutes after it was needed. We live in a relatively crime free area more likely because the bad guys know that rural Americans are usually prepared to defend themselves with vigor rather than rely on Citizens On Patrol calling in a disturbance.
To paraphrase Zook, I carry a gun because a cop is just too darned heavy.
i WILL ADMIT I SETTLED HERE BECAUSE EVERYONE HAD A GUN AND CRIME WAS LESS.........THAT doesnt mean that gun violence is anyless adhorrent to me.I hate hearing about weapon accidents,behavior yes......so how do yoy stop the crazy"s and INTIMADATA??????????? thats what i want to know how????????????? yes i saw the pickups with gun racks that did not bother me for Some reason i guess i felt they were going or comming from hunting......whatever but that was ok.....I guess getting right down to it i dont like the concealed part.....I think i would rather have everyone with a pistol belt with six shooter out in the open....I PROBALLY COULD GO FOR THE OPENESS AND HONESTY OF IT ALL. WELL JUST A THOUGHT
I too have a problem with irresponsible people. Two of MY pet peeves with irresponsible gun owners, is pulling up to a stop sign somewhere on the outskirts and seeing that sign "riddled" with holes. A LOT of "NON-gun owners" are quick to paint us ALL with that same "broad brush"
.........."SEE...........they're ALL like that...........people don't need to have them.........
The OTHER one........is when you go out the "plink" somewhere, and find television sets, refrigerators, couches, water heaters and all kinds of other crap that people bring out, shoot holes through and just LEAVE there! They bring out old pop cans and beer cans to shoot at.........which is fine...........but they DON'T toss 'em back in their truck when they're done, and throw 'em in their own garbage can when they get home.
So they LEAVE that crap out there, but are the FIRST ones to gripe when these areas get CLOSED off and they can't go out there and "plink" anymore.
Do these slobs think that GOD goes around picking up after them?
Makes it hard on the rest of us. Most of us are conscienceous enough to remove any "targets" we bring out there, and because empty brass is expensive and reloadable, (except for 22's), we don't leave THAT lying around either (I don't anyway). I taught both of my boys, and now my grand daughter, everytime I take HER out there, to respect the land.
I have a problem with that term "assault weapon" because it is often taken way out of context. To many legislators.....if it LOOKS like an "assault weapon" it IS." Classic case is the little 10/22 Ruger.....a little 22 semi-automatic that has been around for years. Marlin, Savage and a host of others make them too. You might have even HAD one yourself as a kid.
The ;itt;e Ruger 10/22 I just mentioned, can now be fitted with aftermarket black synthetic stocks, fold-up shoulder pieces, special side rails and "gee-whiz"-looking scopes.
It can be made-up to LOOK like something you'd see in a RAMBO movie.
It is STILL a 10/22 Ruger, but Feinstein and friends went NUTS out in California when they saw it.
Also, ANY gun could be labeled as an "Assault Weapon." Could you "assault" someone with your grandpa's old 12-gauge? You sure as heck COULD. This is why when Bill Clinton got his "assault weapons ban" pushed through, he lost enough people in the '94 elections to lose his Congress, and he even ADMITTED that (in his "State of the Union address in '95).
While most of us (including myself) have no need or desire for an AR-15, we have ALL watched the anti-gun factions in Congress for YEARS now.........today your AR-15-----tomorrow your 22.
You do NOT let these bureaucrats get their "foot in the door."
"Well..........we just need to ban "THIS GUN" or "THAT GUN"............uh-huh..........who do you guys think you're blowing smoke at?
"Nobody needs an AK-47 to hunt with."
True statement. I bought one right after 9/11 went down, because NOBODY knew if some ground invasion was going to follow, and have never hunted a day with it. I keep it and put a few rounds through it occasionally just to "keep in tune" with it, and because you never know what might BE "coming down the road" in this country. I keep it cleaned, oiled and locked-up with the rest of 'em where neither my grandkids nor anyone else can get the hands on it.
And it's NOT a "full-auto", folks. You can't legally OWN a full-auto weapon without a Class III license, a mountain of red tape, and basically opening your home to the Feds anytime they want to come in and look around. It ain't worth it.
I not only shoot my "AK" on occasion, but enjoy shooting ome of my World War II rifles, old German Mauser, Japanese Arisaka, even an American M-1 Garand..........which would surely make the NEXT list of "assault rifles."
Shoot 'em-----clean 'em------lock 'em back up----in a big steel safe where I'm the only one who knows the combination.
NOW..........at the same time
Some punk across town sticks a knife to a cashier's throat and robs a convenience store.
Which one of us is the actual "threat to society?" The guy with the guns, or the guy with the ATTITUDE?
I know where you're coming from Lamont, on the "open carry." Open carry IS legal, and I myself do so on occasion, especially when the weather's warm and I don't want to wear a jacket.
Open carry is legal for ANYONE eligible to own a gun. To carry concealed of course, you need a permit and MUST have that permit on your person when you're "packing." There ARE restrictions (airports, courthouses, schools and on Federal property, but for the most part you can carry where you please. (within your home state, and whatever other states honor YOUR STATE'S permit.)
I frequently carry openly into places and areas where people know me, and I'm in there a lot. But I almost ALWAYS carry "concealed" in places like Wally-World, and most restaurants, here, Boise and elsewhere.........and for two reasons.......
1. There are people in this world who are scared of guns. In their minds, guns are "inherently evil" and will jump out of their holsters and hurt people on their own!" Being around guns makes them NERVOUS................well, I respect that, and while I DON'T HAVE TO........I keep whatever pistol I'm carrying that day, OUT OF SIGHT, so as not to "PANIC" anybody........that way your wife, aunt or grandma can shop in "comfort" and not be afraid that some modern-day "John Dillinger" is running around loose in the store with a hand-cannon!
2. If one of those "Virginia Tech types" DID come into Wally-World, K-Mart, the Mall or some restaurant where he might have just gotten FIRED from and now has some vendetta against the whole world.....the first thing he's gonna do is a QUICK SCAN.
He's gonna look around the building for COPS, or anyone who might be carrying the means to stop him...........and THAT person will be his first victim, so he can continue to shoot other people without being interferred with. If I am ever in a store, restaurant, etc when something like this happens, that clown isn't going to be tipped-off ahead of time. He won't know I'm "packing any heat" until it's too late.
..............that's why I don't carry openly in most places.
Out of respect to many folk's "sensitivity" to guns.............and to NOT be the first target of some fruitcake.
OK ZOOK here is the devils advocate...in the last few months there have been several police officers killed in the line of duty by other officers.....lets call it mistaken identity.the officers killed were in civilian clothes,are we at a point were weapons paronoia has become critical to the point we shoot first and ask questions latter??? And if we have, what impact will that have on our society,and what role has the media played in this,especially TV.
I am surprised to hear your thought on 9/11. I saw it for what it was.like must other people i did not expect the towers to collaps they didnt either.(ben laden)The country should still be mad .that was a collosal intell failure,they knew it was comming and they dumbed it down....for me it was like another PEARL HARBOR we did the same thing.ILL TELL YOU one that is NEXT....we cannot and have not really tried to defend our sea ports of entry,a bomb in a horbor with narrow entry will make 9/11 look like a kids party,ny,bremerton,virigina,sf to name a few.I dont fear a land invasion I fear chemical weapons that is the one that should scare everyone.YOU DONT NEED A TRAIN,PLANE ,BOAT YOU NEED A FEW PEOPLE THATS ALL.
OUR domestic terrorist for the most part want there 15 minutes of fame and the media (both sides play right into it)...so i see the disenfrachised,left and right wing zealots ,and the thrill freaks doing it.usually with a gun for a weapon.THAT is not a put down just a fact.somday ill give you my take on sky marshalls and how they could be deverted to better use and still have acft marshalls.........
Guns give you courage you otherwise don't have, including the criminals
Did you guys ever here about the shoot out at the past time bar several years ago ?
MRS M you will tell your age in a minute(smile) several yrs ago.........dare i say over 20....but yes....and the argument was about GEN CUSTER.....one said hero and the other said fool,and then there is alcohol.i dont remeber wether someone went to get a gun or one was pulled from under the bar have to ask a friend she was there.time sure does fly........see ya
No argument there, Lamont........our seaports are no different than locking the front and back doors of your house, but leaving the kitchen window open.
Courage? No MsMarylin. You either have guts or you don't. A gun gives you the MEANS to overcome the bad guys if they're breaking IN some evening, or to keep YOU from becoming a VICTIM of some nut who is searching for his "15 minutes of fame."
"Courage" is having the WILL to use it. There ARE unfortunately those who have purchased guns.....never learned to use them, FROZE in the face of danger, and in some cases were killed with their own weapons.
A thousand-dollar Smith & Wesson has no more value than a paperweight, if you aren't willing to use it when you HAVE to.............and you don't spend the time with it to get proficient.
Guts comes from within.......always has.
My friend Ruth was there. The story goes Paul (owner) was having an argument with a guy, You are correct lamont it was over Custer's last Stand. The guy had his pick up parked right at the door and the door was open because it was a nice summer day. He went out to his pick up got his gun and stood in the doorway shooting. Paul was standing to the left of the bar, as your looking in the door. The guys gun was aimed right at paul who didn't have a chance. It took Ruth a very long time to get over the shooting.....
Zook I guess this guy had those Guts that come within. I used to know who it was but can't remember any longer......to long ago. The old memory kind of fades away with age.... lol !
Actually, Lamont.....you shouldn't be surprised at my reaction to 9/11.
One of the first things that happened after Pearl Harbor, was the immediate focus on the California/Oregon/Washington ooast line, people out there quickly set up both civilian and military shifts to watch the horizon, and there is reason to believe-----------that had our three aircraft carriers been caught and destroyed at Pearl, there may well HAVE been a coastal invasion by the Japanese.
You hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. With the Twin Towers still smoldering, nobody, including the White House or what was left of the Pentagon, knew for SURE what was next....if there WAS something "NEXT" to follow.
Nobody knew.
You know my old Pro-gun chant------"Better to have one and NOT need it, than to NEED one and not HAVE it!"
I rolled out of Phoneix as the sun was coming up the next day, and 2 hours later I was in Prescott where I knew I could buy an AK-47. I really wanted an M-14 like I carried in 'Nam but could not afford one at the time. (I HAVE one now).
You COULD still buy an "AK" for under $300.00 at the time. Ammunition for one is both inexpensive and PLENTIFUL. I also knew that if I "procrastinated" while the media tried to sort things out--------the rifle racks in the stores might be empty. And I wanted something more than one of my deer rifles.
I was back in Phoenix by lunchtime with my new Kalashnikov and 500 rounds for it. I had chosen the AK-47, not only because I could AFFORD it, but because I knew first-hand from Vietnam, of the gun's great ruggedness and reliability. To this day, I don't think you can get one dirty enough to quit on you-----------a REAL PLUS if we ever got into a situation where we might actually HAVE to "head for the hills" and not be able to keep a weapon "clinically clean" as you do with an M-16 or it's popular civilian counterpart, the AR-15.
Did an invasion follow 9/11? Nope.
Did I waste time, money and gas for the "AK?" Nope.
It's right here if I ever need it.
You know.....you don't carry a spare tire in your car out of fear of having a blowout. You carry one IN CASE of having a blowout.
I don't carry a sidearm everyday because I "fear" or "expect" something might happen.
I expect to survive, if something DOES.
I expect to survive with out a gun :) I've made it this far in life without carrying a weapon except for maybe my purse..... lol !
Considering the weight alone, from what you gals pack in those things, that might be enough!
Wow, this was a great banter to read. I have been gone for a week or so, and just taking the time to catch up a bit.
I'm kind of with ya Zook, same as a spare tire, better to not need it and have it than need it and............. I don't carry either gun or purse, but most of the time I have a knife ... I doubt it'll be much help ... but comes in handy.
Zook Here's a question for you..............Wouldn't it be better if those who want to carry a gun, carry it out in the open without a CWP.......A permit to carry openly ?
I get his point. If he carries it openly, and is sitting in a restaurant with his wife, and a shooter comes in. Shooter takes a quick look around and spots Mike's gun, obviously Mike becomes the immediate target to take care of, since he is a threat. A concealed weapon keeps Mike looking like just another possible victim. This leaves Mike with the "surprise advantage" and makes it possible for him to possibly protect himself and who knows how many others.
I don't know a whole lot about guns since I don't like them lol !...... I asked my husband about carrying openly, and said you can do that with a gun in a holster but a lot of places probably would make you leave if they seen you had a gun. Also said there's a lot of places you can't carry a concealed weapon, like the post office, bank, school.
This gun stuff is pretty interesting.
Thanks Jessie for your input and your right it would make sense to catch the shooter by surprise.
You dont need a permit to carry openly. But as I said EARLIER, and Jessie just noted, I carry concealed to AVOID being the first target, and so as not to "panic' the timid in large stores.....just as a courtesy.
On an earlier question, if I HAD to get involved in dispatching some nut in a restauraunt, supermarket or mall, I wouldn't just jump up and start spraying lead! I wouldn't squeeze one off unless I had a clear, unobstructed shot.
I can shoot.
I won't hit anyone else by mistake. I practice as often as I can, so as not to lose the "edge," and and I seldom ever carry anything below a 357 Magnum, it is VITAL to be able to hit what you wish to hit on DEMAND, so nothing "strays off."
Just so there's no confusion, MsMarylin, you don't have to like guns, nor do I expect you or anyone ELSE to like guns. This is a personal choice, and there ARE people in this world who aren't responsible enough to have one anyway.
Doesn't bother me in the least...........unless they're out there protesting to try to ban MINE.
The only good thing you posted was the picture of the Glock. I own one myself, great weapon.
Oh--and your the lunatic.