Negotiations means Bribery

I'd like to hear what our local libs have to say about this...........how THEY feel about picking up the tax tab for not only OUR state, but for ANOTHER state as well...........just so Obama/Reid could get their socialist 60th vote.

How do you guys out there feel about being sold out? But even MORE...........now that a precident has been set.........what ELSE might these traitors sneak through on us?

YOUR traitors...............I didn't vote for any of them. Obama is NOT MY president! My only political concern now, is how much more crap they're going to try to rush through before the mid-terms next year, where they stand a strong chance of losing the Congress. People are fed up, and if elections are allowed next year, Congress is going to see first hand HOW fed up.

Howsoever........I actually look for this administration to "engineer" something, after which they can institute "Marshal Law" and completely shutdown any form of democracy as we know it.

I put nothing past these jackals, based upon what we've seen already.

Some rays of sunshine though. A couple conservative senators are attacking the validity of the health care bill based on constitutional grounds. One for sure has some legs since it questions the part of the bill that makes it impossible for any future administration from making any changes. Constitutional law makes it illegal to encumber future legislators with something they can't change. Just look at how the democrats manipulated the laws in Mass. to keep a democrat in the senate up on the inevitable death of Ted Kennedy. And there still is the questions how some senators were bought off for their vote. Nice to know that we as a conservative state will now be saddled with the tax burden of a liberal state. I see now that the Obama administration wants us all to share the wealth but there is no expectation for the liberals to help shoulder the debt.

VOTE THE BUMMS OUT IN 2010!!!!!!!!!!

I have been way too busy to investigate the inner workings of this latest health care bill. I need to read up on it and hopefully find a source that can just say what it is and not give a bunch of worthless propaganda.

Some of the major issues facing the U.S. are adverse selection and moral hazard. Adverse selection is where healthy, cost saving individuals forego health insurance. This, in turn, leads to only the sickest, weakest, and least responsible will take advantage of the service. There are assumptions left out but thats the cliff notes version. Moral hazard is where those without health insurance are the most careful and so do their best to avoid using the service knowing that the consequences can be severe. Those who are sick already will take advantage of the service and be reckless. This reckless behavior will result in more visits and more severe injuries.

The point is that for the current system to be repaired (if it is actually needed), the incentives for being healthy have to be greater. Everybody paying exorbitant costs in the form of premiums, taxes, or other fees just tells someone that no matter what they do they will still pay dearly so why give a darn. Proposals that I have read about do not address these issues. I have left out plenty but that is my take on it.

We need to get "very very" active between now and the mid-terms............extending that into 2012.

The bums need to GO...............whatever it takes.

I'm sure it did...............but the government wasn't trying to take everything over before now, and no administration I know of ever SHUT the Democrats OUT of legislative sessions.

This is communism, folks. And I'm not gonna call it anything "nicer" or more "politically correct"

It's COMMUNISM.

And TERRORISM is TERRORISM.....not "man made disasters"

If "Merry Christmas offends anybody out there...........they're free to leave.

If anyone out there fancies socialism/communism, move your butt to Russia where you belong.

No MsMarilyn............a selected state getting off the tax hook just to get a 60th socialist vote for Reid is totally unacceptable...........(just like Obama's presidency is).

Ramming this crap down our throats when every poll shows the bulk of the people don't want it.

Banning the other party from any bill knowledge or discussions.

Taking over car companies and banks.

Threatening fines if you don't comply.

You tell ME what this is! It sure as hell ain't a republic or even a democracy anymore!

The really stupid part of all this is that the insurance industry is what really needs to be fixed but nobody is going to go up against them (the insurance industry) because they give the folks on the Hill a lot of money. So, we get Obama's healthcare reform but it still does not fix the problem because the problem is still the insurance industry itself. All this is going to do is tax the middle class to death---not solve the problem.

It is really funny how Obama states that Medicare will remain the same. Funny, 2-3 weeks ago he said there would be cuts to fund his plan. Obama also states this will save trillions of dollars. I do not see how. It is just another form of Governmental Aid funded by YOU and I aka the taxpayers of this "democratic" nation. Democratic my dupa/keister! All of the crooks need to go and have needed to go for a very long time. The fact that this has gone on does not make it okay. Passing legislation that does not allow changes---what is that? This guy is bad news. I am glad I did not vote for him.

Haven't you heard, Missy............we're gonna SPEND our way out of this debt!

Here's a few questions for you.... I am sure I will get a big response. lol !

1. What do you think Obama should of done to save the economy?

2.What could he have done differently for the banks?

3. How do you think we should pay for all this debt we now have?

The first thing you do is STOP the friggin' PORK and government giveaways to other countries. As we speak, Obama has promised millions to OTHER countries to help them meet THEIR pollution goals.

All these "Czars" don't work for free.

The perks are MASSIVE and unnecessary................you cannot SPEND your way out of debt..neither as a family or a country.

TAXING the RICH.............CUTS jobs, doesn't CREATE them.

He should have let the failing banks FAIL. Any fool should know that you don't subsidize incompetence. All this government did, was put more money into the same hands who couldn't manage it in the first place.

As for paying the debt WE owe...........all government waste has to be stopped. Government needs to be DOWNSIZED.

MsMaryilyn...........without fail, everytime the Decocrats have come into power, the size of government has grown substantially........more offices, bureaus and committees created.

Hell, before scurrying off for Christmas break, they raised the debt ceiling AGAIN, to 12.4 trillion. If you were way out of control with your personal credit cards, do you think the banks would raise YOUR limit some more? If they WOULD, then THEY are the very banks who NEED to fail.

They need to set some kind of example. When Michelle runs off to Paris to shop, let stop off in London for fish & chips while YOU drive your kids to MacDonald's, there's something wrong.

Nancy Pelosi has an entire 757 for her personal use. I've driving an old Beetle.

Al Gore lies to everyone about global warming, while HE flies all over the place, runs around in a big SUV and lives in at least ONE mansion.

The healthcare that's good enough for YOU and YOUR family, isn't good enough for THEIRS.

The government has never run ANYTHING at a profit. Years ago they took over the famous Mustang Ranch----brothel & bar. Wasn't long and it was out of business----------------

-------------if you can't run a cathouse and sell booze sucessfully, I don't want you messing with my next MRI..................

It will NEVER get any better under this administration. They want to keep raising taxes-------------but they don't want to STOP BLOWING it when they get it!

It's like all the gays screaming for more money for aids research--------------but they don't want to STOP doing what they're doing to prevent the spread in the first place.

It's like buying your kid a car for graduation............he goes out and totals it, so you turn around and buy him ANOTHER one! He's learned NOTHING.

This government has learned NOTHING..............except that the American people seem to approve of their behavior.

No matter HOW much they BLOW our tax dollars on foreign aid and other worthless s--t, we keep sending those dollars, and WE are the only ones who ever seem to have to "make ends meet."

We GRIPE about these buttholes, but like dutiful little pre-programmed robots, we continue to re-elect them!

I don't blame Obama for ANYTHING. I don't like him (nothing prejucice-----I don't like the white half of him either), but HE, the Reids, Pelosis and Schumers of this world could NOT screw this country................if WE THE KNUCKLEHEADS wouldn't keep returning them to office.

When you don't FIRE the worthless.............the worthless assume they're doing a good job, and continue to fill their pockets.

As I've said before, we can't yell at little Johnny for breaking our window, when it was WE who gave him the rocks in the first place!

2010's comin', Marylin..........followed by 2012.

Ya want the answers to your questions?........go look in the mirror, then.....Democrats or Republican,,,,,,,,,,,go to the polls and get RID of them!

Hey Bouncer...........if Eric Holder has anything to say about it, the guy who jumped on that TERRORIST will probably get SUED for assault!

Then we'll apologize to whoever, or whatever country, the TERRORIST is working for.

The TERRORIST himself will probably be set up in a lavish apartment someplace, be invited to encounter groups to vent out his hostilities toward us, at taxpayer expense............then given a new wardrobe, a million bucks and a free 1st class plane ride back to wherever he came from.

The rest of us "infidels" will be taxed everytime we use a public convenience to further the goals of our new Politboro.

All part of that "change."

Hey Bazooka,

Didn't want to offend him my mispelling his name. So henceforth he will be known as "Little Sheet Head" At least if God willing he won't be able to reproduce after his unfortunate accident.

As for the current messiah, I will not refer to him as a black man anymore. He's half white so I think I'll take that tack and see if it stirs the pot any. I like how liberals tend to embrace that part of them they think will give them the most votes. Kerry did it by trying to be a war hero, now Obama tries it with being black. Although in part both arguments are true, neither were truly what they were claiming to be. Remember Obama saying his administration was going ot be transparent. Well I guess it's partly coming true now that a majority of the people out there are starting to see through him and finding his hidden agenda. Not that those of us who have a finely tuned BS meter needed to be told this guy is all flash and speeches and couldn't hold his own against some of our finest legislators when it comes to running a nation. This man has never truly been in charge of ANYTHING in his life. He knows NOTHING about what kind of intestinal fortitude (GUTS for you neanderthal lefties out there)to send young men and women into combat to WIN. He no sooner wants to win in Afghanistan than I want to turn my hair pink. He bends and sways in the political wind. He promises one thing and delivers another. You can't beleive a word coming from his lips.

I was just informed by my beuatiful bride that the PC term for the President is "Bi-racial" my bad.

Sleep Well for tomorrow you may be flying with a terrorist.

For one, why dont we find out what the core objective of being in Afghanistan is and then move upon that swiftly and get out. I know that simple, objective minds like that are rare but existence of idiots does not that they are right or correct.

About the economy, citizens and Govt. would be best served by lowering their expectations and standards. This sounds short-sighted but really when one gets to the core of most issues in today's economy it comes down to everybody wanting too much. They are not satisfied with making ends meet and living ordinary lives. Govts. want to be everybody's hero or insider connection to getting their special interests appeased. Cutting back on credit and making it harder for special interests/lobbyists to get what they want would be a big step forward.

Even if this did happen, no one would have the smarts or rationality to accept. Economic policies take a minimum of one year to take effect. No one can handle that it is not instant rewards. The problem did not occur overnight so why should the solution have to be that way as well. Changes to credit policy would take months if not years to filter down from the federal reserve/SEC to the banks/lenders and finally to the consumer. The adjustment process would not be instantaneous and so ordinary individuals would seek reform. These reforms that they request are granted by opportunistic politicians like Obama. People need to learn some rationality and patience. Had they not demanded reforms at Fannie Mae in the mid-90's (in fear of impending recession) this current dilemma may never have occurred.

Twil:

So your response to the problems of today are that we should lower OUR standards? We expect too much in your eyes from our Government, etc. If we expect less and get less then we will not be upset right? How about if our Government and elected officials do their jobs and represent the people...you know...like they say they do? How about if we have accountability in Government and STANDARDS? Most of America has lowered their standards to all time lows----LAST ELECTION PROVED THAT! Can our standards really get much lower?

I for one expect more and will not lower my standards to that of those in DC who declare that they "represent" me. Few in DC represent us regular American folks anymore. To hell with lowering my standards! It is time for accountability and some honesty. I find it pretty sad that a young man, college educated, such as yourself would even say such a thing. You are our future! What kind of future does this country have if this crap gets worse and we continue to lower our standards? If you have grandparents who are still alive---talk to them.

I've never been a business major, but I cannot see the wisdom of writing blank checks to the SAME IDIOTS who couldn't manage the money in the FIRST PLACE!

Nobody's asking for higher standards within the government..................we just expect them to DO THEIR FRIGGIN' JOBS that we sent them to do!

These "closed-door", "under the table" Louisiana and Nebraska fiascos are what you'd expect to see in one of the "Godfather" movies........."You do this-a for me, and I'm-a-gonna take care of-a you."

This is by far, the most crooked regime in our history, supported by the dumbest "sheeples" who ever breathed air.

How can ANYONE out there have a brainwave and a pulse................and NOT see what is happening?..............incredible...........Beam me UP Scotty!!

......................no by God there AIN'T!!!

You shouldn't stand for a party at all. You should stand for the country. I'm a registered Republican who had NEVER supported Bush........either one of them.

I often vote for an Independent. At state and city levels, I've even voted for Democrats on occasion..................but I don't vote for ANYBODY whose voting record doesn't jive with our Constitution.

The Dems love to marvel on the acalades of the economy under Clinton, but conveniently forget that SIX of his 8 years were with a GOP-controlled congress...............you know........CONGRESS........... where legislation is made and bills are passed. All "#1" has to do is SIGN it.

We should have let the banks involved FAIL. We'd then know which ones to BANK with. These people shouldn't be "priviledged characters".............hell Marilyn, if you got yourself into serious debt, do you think the government is going to bail YOU out?

As for the economy..........you cannot fix it by GROWING THE GOVERNMENT some more, something the DEMS have NEVER comprehended. Reagan was the only one honest enough to call it like it is, about "government not being the solution to the problem, government IS the problem."

Ross Perot is a financial genious, and could have turned the economy around at the EARLY stages of this crap.

Ron Paul wants the Federal Reserve AUDITED. He and Huckabee BOTH want the IRS out of business and go back to a flat tax.

But the Perots and Pauls of this world tend to rock the bureaucratic world. They stand as threats to the great gravy trains in D.C. Perot was shut out by the media, and Ron Paul was PURPOSELY denied access to several primary debates. They DIDN'T WANT the voters to hear what he had to say.

MsMarylin.............I'm not going to tell you we should have elected a Republican, because except for Palin, there wasn't a Republican on either ticket. Obama vs McCain was virtually ONE Democrat running against the OTHER.

The president is not as important as everybody thinks ANYWAY..............it's the CONGRESS that does the good....or does the damage, to this country. THESE are the clowns that need to be flushed out of there.

I'd personally like to see the Congress full of INDEPENDENTS. The Independent candidate was a farmer yesterday......or a rancher yesterday.......or a small business owner yesterday...........he/she is as sick of this crap as WE are, and that's why they have decided to run for office.

Also............anytime an Independent DOES win an election, he/she goes into that office NOT owing any favors to the left or right.

Sadly, Independents don't often fare very well in elections because the majority of voters are too stupid to think for themselves, so they rely solely on their family roots' voting history, although NEITHER of the 2 major parties even remotely resemble what they were when your mom & dad used to support them.

MsMarylin.......I know people and SO DO YOU.....who would vote for Charles Manson, as long as he had a (D) or an (R) after his name on the ballot.

Therein..............good lady............lies the chief cause for nearly every problem we've got in this country!

I don't know if I am doing the right thing but sometimes I don't vote because there is no one I want to give my vote to........

To be quite honest I did not vote in this last election

Well to let the cat out of the bag (hiding my face :( ............... I voted for Clinton because I thought he had lots of energy (which he had for Monica HA !) he seemed to be uplifting and refreshing in bringing a change...Big mistake voting for him.

I voted for George Bush Sr however didn't vote for W.

I know if you don't vote then you cannot complain and I also know that every vote counts. When I don't vote it means I don't want to give my vote to anyone.... Right or Wrong that's just me !

According to Twil we just need to lower our standards which I guess means we need to not have any and accept these crooks for what they are. If this is what they are teaching our young people in college...we are screwed as a country and as human beings. And to think that people think all of this garbage is true...

WOW! We really are up the creek in our boat made in China.

Amen to that brother!!

Very good point.

Incidently Kim, have you heard about the administration's new public restaurant policy? Order whatever you want and the guy behind you has to pay for it!

Ha-Ha...................I guess I probably shouldn't say that too loud........these goofballs come up with enough crap on their own!

Its been awhile but lowering one's standards does not mean that one should translate that to govt. personnel. What I mean by lowering one's standards is that Americans all want to be upper Middle-class with an SUV, season tickets to the local sports team, 52-inch big screen, a sizeable nest egg, and kids that can attend Stanford, Yale, or MIT. Economic policy is designed to be an across the board type of thing where it assists a broad spectrum of individuals. If those individuals want more and more, these economic policies have to procure increasing amounts of funds.

As we all know, there is only so much money in the nation. Money and/or resources are not infinite. Instead of being prudent and only spending what they have to maintain stability, the present administration (and most others in the modern era) tries to appease everybody's financial shortcomings. There are some that are true victims but most dug their own grave. They may not have been able to predict the future but most consumers knew that there was risk involved in relying on credit and interest-only mortgages. Now that they have failed, it is not everybody's responsibility to ensure that they maintain their once-Middle Class lifestyle. So what, they have fallen on hard times. I was homeless for a month once and I did cry out to the world for help.

Being somewhat more frugal would exceedingly unpopular with special interest groups and most citizens regardless of their political affiliation. Yet, politics and govt. should be about making the best decision not winning a popularity contest. They would look bad and their approval ratings would bottom out but in the years to come the rewards would substantial.

It comes down to patience and rationality on the part of the individual. Instead of demanding instant fixes by way of govt., why not simply make the best of what one has and move on. Not everyone can live the high life. I am biased of course. I grew up poor and dont find that repulsive. Life was rough sometimes but it helps me to appreciate what I have now. Overall, just some frugality on the part of Americans and their leaders would help the economy.

And of course.............leading the way, Princess Pelosi will get RID of her big 757 and go back to a learjet.................Al Gore will drive a Honda Civic instead of his SUV..................Michelle Obama will buy her dresses at Penny's instead of PARIS and eat at Burger King, instead of going to London for fish & chips.

John Edwards will get ten dollar haircuts like the rest of us. Congressmen will no longer get FULL RETIREMENT benefits after just ONE term in office.........

........................oh yes.............and EVERY ONE of them on Capitol Hill will get the EXACT SAME healthcare they want US to have.

We ALL "lower our standards", right?

Not just the little guy.............but ALL of us.

Right Twil?

Doesn't "frugal" come into line with "not being wasteful?"....if so.............all foreign aid STOPS, and NOTHING for illegals. They'll SURELY do THAT, won't they?

If we're gonna play this game, we all play it together or not at all. It ain't a smorgasboard, where you can just pick and choose what you want out of it...............like our politicians do with the Constitution.............yeah-yeah "Only the parts that WE agree with apply."

The Democratic Party is the biggest bunch of hypocrites in the history of the entire world:

They tell US to conserve while THEY continue to waste.

The IRS slams your nextdoor neighbor but Geithner gets to run the Treasury and Rangel keeps his properties.

Reid makes racial remarks that would HANG any REPUBLICAN who said it............but he gets a free pass.

The Secret Service that protects THEIR asses can have guns, but they want to take away OURS.

They takeover businesses, banks, pay each other off under the table, intend to FORCE us to buy things or pay fines, totally disregard the laws WE are supposed to follow....................and they have the gall to call US the "NAZI's" when march in protest to these abuses...

Yeah-----yeah...........WE'RE the "bad guys."

Do your homework and remember what you need to remember to be able to pass your exams and get your degree, Twil.

But don't let the "agenda" lead you into the real world, buddy.

I'm not blaming the politicians ALONE for wasteful practices, but I'm tired of reading periodicals, news articles and even a few of these blogs that seem to only target YOU and I.

I'm tired of hearing politicians THEMSELVES, "lecturing" us on what "YOU & I" have to do..............what "YOU & I" have to accept..........the belt-tightening that "YOU & I have to do."

I personally don't drive anywhere I don't have to. If I have to go to Boise, I make it a MULTIPLE-STOP trip, to "kill as many birds as I can with one stone", as they say.

If a light isn't needed in our home, it's OFF. I drive 60----------not 80-85, to conserve fuel. During nice weather, we water our lawn in the EVENING, so as not to "burn any of it off."

Twil............I understand the need for ALL of us to conserve. I really do, and we ALL need to do that. But I want to see these "fat cats" in D.C, doing the same thing. They aren't one milligram better than any of us.

It would be like one of your professors lecturing you guys NOT to smoke, because it's unhealthy for you................then, after school, you see him climb into his BMW and light one up.

No Twil...............this "double standard" crap has gone far enough, as far as I'm concerned.

My Volkswagen gets me where I want to go...........I don't need a Lincoln. Agreed?

Nancy Pelosi doesn't need an ENTIRE 757 just for HER personal transportation when a learjet would get her there just as well.

I'm just using that as one example..............there are HUNDREDS of other "perks" back there that they DON'T need, yet our taxes pay for them.

Twil, if you've ever wondered why I raise so much hell from time to time...............it ISN'T because they don't agree with me. If we all agreed with each other, it'd be a pretty dull world.

This government...........including some REPUBLICANS as well, is beginning to DICTATE to us now. "You're gonna do THIS, or WE'RE going to come down on you." And it INCREASES a little with each piece of legislature they pass behind the doors. More "deals", fines, penalties and levies.

Who in the hell works for WHO?

Those of us who dare to STAND, march, speak UP for our freedoms, are labelled as "paranoid", right-wing wackos and NAZI's.

240 years ago, we'd have been PATRIOTS. But the "Koolaid Crowd" of today, is so friggin' brainwashed, they've completely accepted this socialist propaganda as being the "norm."

People who follow and defend those who would FLEECE and FLUSH our country down the toilet, just to line their own pockets, RILE me beyond description.

And I take it very personally, when these left-wing role models like Al Gore, rant and rave about "global warming and pollution", when I'm driving a BUG and he's living in a mansion and running all over everywhere in a private JET and his SUV.

Where is MY bailout money, Twil? Did you get YOURS yet? Why are our tax dollars being used to reward INCOMPETENCE?

You might gather I'm getting heated-up right now, even as I write this.

Twil......I look at Washington D.C. and I say................."Don't TELL us how to conserve........SHOW us!"

These a--holes are sent to D.C. to REPRESENT us, NOT to cut deals and suck more money out of us, for NO RETURN.

The ignorance of the "worshippers" in the crowd.....to continue to stand behind the Washington pukes no metter HOW much they screw us.........as long as they're "one of US" (D)........all is forgiven and will somehow magically turn out ok.........right Tim?, Harry?, Nancy?, Nelson?...........it's all GOOD!

"Can I have another glass, please?..........is that cherry or strawberry?"

Right on target!

Govt. does have resources and authority to enact broad policy and change over the economy that the private sector can only dream of. It comes down to instant rewards. People like to hear that a quick fix is on its way rather than gradual improvement. I am not the most patient person either. Yet, in 31 years I have found that careful planning is better than knee jerk reactions.

Some will claim that we have lower rates of taxation than other countries. That may be true but I care not. Just because we can persist and survive at 20% means nothing. We could continue to exist, however miserably, if that was to be increased to 50%. The point is that taxation should be to fund basic govt. activities and only that. I have lectured on consumers being wasteful so no need to beat that horse again. Stripping the federal, state, and county govts. down to simply what is necessary would be a step in the right direction. Not every matter in life needs govt. oversight and administration behind it.

Some will say that govt. intervention helps when one needs general or broad impact. Such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or emergency funding for AIDS research in the mid-80's. Those raise no red flags with me but the last 10 years have been one of seemingly perpetual govt. intervention at all levels. Overall, when the public sector is involved there are vastly more fingers in the pie than if not. Hiring staff, paying them benefits, writing up legislation, holding meetings, and the inevitable process of adjustment all cost money. Kind of a domino effect. If we allow intrusion on one issue then why not all other issues. Fundamentally, people are going to have to be more accountable and be willing to let things not be perfect. Govt. is not the fix-all for all undesirable situations.

Twil:

Many of us do conserve and do not overspend (yadda-yadda-yadda). However, those that do conserve still have to pay for the ones who do not. Those who work pay for the food stamps, Section 8, welfare pay and all of that. So, where does this get those of us with any sense? Not a damn thing! They just tell us to work harder and more for less money with more travel/expenses. Do you see those in DC doing the cut back thing? Hell no!

So, we are not on the "poor me" bandwagon. We are tired of working hard with not a damn thing to show for it. That is the bottom line.

Perfect example. I have taken 2 pay cuts in the last 12 months IN HOPE that it will keep me employed for a little longer. Did the price of gas go down? No? Is food any cheaper? No. Why work so hard? You still end up with the big screw in the end come tax time because the taxing structure was redone. In other words...MAKE LESS AND PAY MORE.

Good point, Twil............you certainly CAN'T keep borrowing and get out of debt. You can't spend your way out of debt either. Now if the GOVERNMENT could just get a grasp on that as WELL as US....................

These bailouts...........putting BILLIONS back into the hands of the same idiots who couldn't manage it the FIRST time, doesn't "register" with me either!

If you gave 20 grand to a stock broker and he lost it for you, you certainly wouldn't give him ANOTHER 20 grand, would you?.............CONGRESS would..............of course, it isn't THEIR personal funds they're playing with, is it?

As far as angering the voters by letting the economy flounder..............the voters are ALREADY mad as hell, and that's going to become pretty clear at the mid-terms.

A lot of politicians ALREADY stand zero chance of re-election by selling the public out....... by not reading bills, and ignoring the people on this Obamacare plan. They're already gonna pay.

Harry Reid was WAY behind in Nevada even BEFORE his racial remarks..........which would have FINISHED any REPUBLICAN............ask Trent Lott.

Absolutely correct.........Americans need to NOT depend on government taking care of them. That WAS, however, part of the criteria that bedazzled so many to VOTE for this "change."...........ie: "spreading the wealth", taking from the industrious and giving to the non-achievers. (You'll find this sympton incidently, in any Webster's under "communism.")

There was an old frontier adage about NOT hassling the cook who's making your breakfast.

When you tax-tax-tax the people who provide the jobs...........they stop PROVIDING the jobs, because they can't afford to anymore.

The only good-paying jobs Obama has created are more and more government agencies, cabinet post members, and "Czars" that do not have to pass scrutiny, nor ANSWER to anyone. They also wrongly count temporary jobs that only last a week or two, among these numbers they are taking credit for. It's not a tangible job, if you're getting laid off right after the project is completed.

When he gets amnesty granted for all these illegals, he'll put ANOTHER 13 million on the "great sponge"------------while he adds to his vote count.............(ask Nebraska's Ben Nelson about TRADE-OFFS).

How many taxpayer dollars do you suppose are being spent for this civilian court spectacle for the terrorists?

As per the norm, we're responding to Haiti. I wonder if anyone ELSE is?

Do you remember anyone coming to OUR aid during 9/11, Katrina or any other disaster that hit US?

Yes, Twil..........we all need to be fiscally more responsible, but all this unnecessary government spending has GOT to stop.

I'm tired of Uncle Sam TAKING from me........blowing it on everything they BLOW it on.......then turning right around and taxing me for MORE.

I'm not alone on that out here...........as the tea parties indicated........and as I said, the mid-terms ARE coming.............and the one thing even the thieves in D.C. CANNOT do..........

.............they can't stop the clock!

The left might control Capitol Hill at the moment, but they can't control the calendar, and they're gonna find that you cannot put the voters on "DISREGARD".........do your own agenda........and expect to be re-elected, one and all.

Too many folks in this country have had enough.

Americans would be BETTER SERVED to elect those who take their oath of office VERBATIM!

Twil:

I am sorry but I fail to see where "consumers" have obtained this "get out of jail free card" that you speak of.

The Big 3 and all of these banks seem to be holding the cards and bonus checks too!

Consumers, with better than average credit are being screwed! When you take out a credit card with a fixed rate of 5.9%...you expect it to remain that way unless you DO NOT pay. Period. So please, remind me again how and when we got this "get out of jail free" card.

I am sad to see what they teach in US colleges these days and it makes me fear for our future. Perhaps you will get the point when you get out in the "real world" and have to find work. Or your pay is cut so that you can remain employed for maybe another 6 months. Or you go into the office and the doors are locked and there is a nice little sign which indicates they (where you are employed) has closed and they failed to leave you your last check. Or...

Why bother? Your answer is to lower our standards and accept what is. BS Twil! Complete BS. It is thinking just like that that has put us where we are today and put the people who are in charge in charge and KEPT them in charge. Grow a set already kid. This world is going to eat you up and spit you out.

Twil.............

There IS "no need" for the Federal Reserve and "most government agencies" as you put it.

We need more government agencies like the Titanic needed more water.

Ron Paul wants the Federal Reserve AUDITED, then abolished................so do a LOT of us.

I don't recall the "recipients DEMANDING" a stimulous, any bank bailouts or corporate takeovers.

None of what Obama and friends have done was asked for or warranted. The only "demands" that have been made, are from millions of marching Americans DEMANDING that they STOP spending and taxing us into oblivion and get the hell out of our lives.

This government does NOT respond to the people who elect them, except to come up with more ways to TAX us, and invent more ways to SPEND it.

You STIMULATE an economy by CUTTING taxes..........this accomplished two major things:

People buy more goods and invest more WHEN THEY HAVE A FEW MORE DOLLARS IN THEIR POCKETS.

And TWO.............when you don't hammer and fine the "rich".................the "rich" hire more people and create more jobs..............ie: like in......EMPLOYMENT!

But those in power listen to no one but each other. They are shoving this Obamacare fiasco down everyone's throat (but their own)............when every poll in this country shows the majority clearly don't want it.

Well, all I can say is that they'd better enjoy the robbery while they can, because there's gonna be ANOTHER "poll" taken later this year.

Ain't that RIGHT Mr. Reid!

I will make it short but i dont feel that govt. intervention is solely because of power-hungry autocrats deciding to meddle where they dont belong. Whether or not the need exists, society demands it and expects it. If they did not, then why as soon as the economic crisis came into their consciousness did they demand it. There are plenty of blog entries, interviews, newspaper columns, radio segments, etc. where citizens voiced this need for a parachute. I had conversations with people of varying levels of education who foresaw govt. intervention and wanted it. They were both Dems and Reps. so no political element.

I am alongside of you in this. I dont think that these stimulus plans are absolutely necessary. If I could be assured that they would only be used for those things that they are prudent and necessary. That is a pipe dream but that can be elaborated upon at a later date.

Ron Paul is OK but his idea of the Federal Reserve is laughable. Not that I know everything but I could eat him alive if we were ever to debate the topic of the Federal Reserve. Oh well, its just opinions in the end.

Taxation is an issue of riding the fine line. Too much or too little. Yes, there is too little. Now as Americans that concept cant exist but I dont play that ignorance card. I dont support current measures but I know that taxation does not solely to screw over the citizens and make the few rich.

PS to all................think as you will and laugh if you must, folks..........

But thirty years later, "Archie" was right! About a LOT of things!

..............should be a small "o" on the end of that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcL4fyLUo

Here is one for you Bazooka.

I talked to my friend in FL today. She said that 2,000 people from Haiti will be "evacuated" into FL...many are already in Miami. They will get full benefits, assitance with a place to live and money and oh yes...help with EMPLOYMENT. They have so many of the people from Haiti in Miami that they have now had to "evacuate" them to Orlando. They get free hotel stays at the Omni Rosen until they can find them a place to go! How do you like that? They get treated better than most Americans and get better care. You do not hear about this on CNN or any of the others. Interesting huh? I thought so.

I am heartless but oh well. Haiti, shmaiti.... Will our aid make that country come out of its self-imposed dungeon. No, it will still be North America's version of Chad or Bangladesh. Sending over aid to simply keep them liveable seems like a waste to me.

To be fair, we DO have Obama to thank for this long overdue awakening.

Let it never be said that he didn't accomplish ANYTHING!

Isn't it ALSO interesting that the FIRST American Revolution grew IT'S roots in Massachusetts as well!

Wasn't there a "tea party" involved there too?

Just funnin' with ya! I like being called a "radical" myself............there are a LOT of us out here, and we're in pretty good company, when you study our nation's beginning!

Hey, did you hear what Scott Brown just said? He said that we need to spend money on weapons against terrorists, NOT money on lawyers who DEFEND them!

On the other side of the coin, Princess Pelosi says it doesn't matter that Brown got elected, 'cause they're gonna push this healthcare bill through anyway.

I hope these idiots CONTINUE to disregard the voters. It'll mean a re-run of 1994, and a ONE term stint for Obama.

As I said earlier, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that when you un-seat a Democrat from the "sacred, hallowed, Camelot" in the Kennedy family "private domain", those nitwits on the Hill had best take notice!

This was more than just a state. THIS was a state "perpetually reserved" for Dems only. This makes 4 straight losses for Obama, 2 governor's races BACK EAST, the loss of the Olympics, and now the "Holy Grail" state of the party..........Massachusetts, where NO Republicans traditionally dare to tread.

Consider this also............Republicans make up only 12% of the voters in that state. Seems to be a LOT of folks wide awake and mad as hell around this country.

Yeah Missy......enough IS enough! Like I told somebody earlier............they better enjoy and make the most of it while they've got it.

Even some of the DEMS are seeing the WRONGDOING, in:

Mandating fines for non-insurance compliance.

Cutting special deals for certain states in exchange for votes.

Closed-door legislation where "transparency" was promised.

Civilian trials with full Miranda Rights for war criminals.

Continued bailouts and raising of debt ceilings.

Villainization of non-violent protesters and sending union goons in to try to break up freedom marches.

Blaming Republicans for not showing THEIR plan, when they aren't even ALLOWED into the chambers for DISCUSSION. (pretty hard to lay your healthcare plans on a table you don't even HAVE).

And the BIGGEST ONE-----------claiming to be the "party of the people" but Pelosi herself comes out on national TV and tells the world even BEFORE the recent election that they will shove this bill through no matter HOW it turned out.....(translation----) We're gonna do what WE want, despite the will of the majority.

You people out there don't count!

WE run this country!

Thanks fine, Nancy...............it all started in Boston LAST TIME too!

The Ditz!..................one of San Francisco's "finest!"

PS..................and let's not forget the appointments of communist czars and a "Head of Homeland Security" who doesn't know her butt from a hole in the ground...............and an Attorney General who's harder on the CIA than he is on terrorists. We aren't even AS SAFE as we were after 9/11...........

Even Dems know it. It wasn't just Republicans and Independents who voted for Brown.

And I don't know of too many Dems who want to pay the tax load in their OWN state PLUS pick up the tab for someone ELSE'S. They understand TAX MONEY, if nothing else. And a lot of them don't like being cheated anymore than OUR side does.

It's gonna get REAL interesting before this year is over!

But Bouncer....don't you know that making them do it the RIGHT way would Hamper the president?

The more of them who sneak in, the more of them he can LEGALIZE when his congress pushes AMNESTY down our throats as well.

To show their "gratitude" to this kindly administration that will give them even MORE at OUR expense.............they'll be good little registered Democrats, and learn enough English to fill in the (D) wherever they see one.

If any of them have trouble getting registered, ACORN will find a way around THAT...............but the important thing is that they be here PHYSICALLY first!

In spirit, Bouncer, your mother-in-law appears to be MORE of an American than at least HALF of our own Congress!

I get the whole thing about amnesty. I dont agree with it. That is not because I am an old conservative type either. American was founded upon immigrants. They did not all enter the "right" way. My objection to granting amnesty is on a more fundamental level.

Most middle class white Americans consider themselves too good for manual labor. With an influx of immigrants who no longer have the obstacles of having a green card or other administrative/legal issues, the market is going to shrink even further. They are willing to work for less. This is not because they are trying to screw us. It comes down to expectations. They are ok living a very simple, poor existence. Making $8.00 per hour is an insult to a typical white male but they are more than happy to work for that. The point is that the influx of immigrants will simply make Americans more lazy than they are. It will give them less incentive to take these menial jobs than before.

Most white bread, working class Americans only work for minimum wage if they are forced to. They consider it insulting and below them. MHB, you do have a point. Currently, employers can pay them under the table and have them be anonymous as you know and acknowledge.

I may be wrong but it would seem that in the face of rising payroll costs (i.e paying workmens comp. and other payroll items versus not), the business owner would do the logical thing and pay as little as they can without sacrificing quality. As we know, Latino immigrants are willing to work for less so it would logical that Americans would get squeezed out. If Americans are not as arrogant as I have observed, then this idea may not materialize.

Its a bit of fallacy to think that everybody can have a high paying job. I find it strange that society tells kids that if they dont go to a 4-year school and endure academia that they have failed. What is so wrong with working a trade? I think that is a small part of why most Americans view menial jobs as below them.

I disagree with you Twil. Having just filled a part time position in my store that pays barely above minimum wage, I know how many "white bread" are suffering under this president and are willing to work for whatever they can get to have a job. One job, part time and I had over 75 applicants. All were adults, as the job requires, and most of them were 30+. This may fall under "forced to" but things being what they are, there isn't much choice.

I was born into what most people call, "white trash". Lived in a mobile home park, two very staunch blue-collar parents who cared little for politics, both parents are former alcoholics, heavy smokers, and represent the old way of being. I come from a long line of men who serve in the military and then go on to working drywall, stucco, framing, or carpentry. The women are tough, no nonsense types who work in nursing homes, hotels, or home health providers. No fancy degrees. No one has left the Valley for any length of time. Simply stated, the family is one of modest living, hard work, and keeping to themselves.

The point is that among my many family members are the types that I speak of. My brothers and cousins are the types that only work janitorial, fast-food, or restaurants when there is no other option. They come home and then cry the blues about their job being so degrading and beneath them. At the first available moment, they will drop this low-wage, demeaning job and move back into something that pays worth a lick. They also feel that the employer could pay them more and just wants to screw them over. They feel like it is indentured servitude. The employer could pay them more and do fine but it is greedy and wants to keep it all to themselves. Well, MHB you are the employer so what would you say to these types? I am not so ignorant to think that every employer pays low wages simply out of greed. There is more to the story.

Another example, I worked for Apple for three years. I came to know a lot of young people quite intimately. They came to Apple solely because they felt that working manual labor was beneath them. They felt that they were too smart to be working in restaurants, construction, or heaven forbid agriculture. The pay was OK but they craved the prestige of telling their friends that they worked for a high-tech giant. This is supposed to mean that they aspired to heights greater than any construction job could ever yield.

It has been my experience that white bread Americans feel that the low paying jobs are beneath them. The current economic crisis is misleading. They are only doing it because there is no other suitable option. Given a chance, they would gladly take their "rightful" spot at a higher paying job. They feel entitled to these higher paying jobs. Again, from your viewpoint MHB you may see things differently. To each their own.

On another note, I would think that the govt. should promote vocational education more. They should not dedicate funds to it but let Americans know that going into carpentry, auto mechanics, etc. can be rewarding and adequate. These jobs that every one wants like banker, real estate exec., Computer programmer are not as great as people think. They are high pressure and prone to major turnover. These three mentioned are the first to go when the economy is not in boom mode. I like a little bit more stability than that but I guess I am just weird.

I applaude you OM for being one of what seems like the few that believe ANY job is better than NO job.

Twil, construction trades, auto mechanics? These too are some of the occupations that go away when the economy goes bad. I have a good friend that does HVAC and builds houses...out of work. I have mechanic shops that do business with me that are scrambling to make ends meet. my business does well because people fix their own stuff instead of buying new or taking it to a shop at $80 an hour. But my business also takes a bit of a hit...I have to sell to EVERY customer that comes in to make my sales. Most of my customers are now buying the cheaper products that I have instead of the better ones. Everyone seems to be doing what they have to do to keep their head obove water.

Over a year ago my sister and I got into an argument about Obama. I told her about what I saw coming once he took over. My sister, though I love her, is a leftwing liberal from Connecticut. She ripped me up one side and down the other, telling me how much better our lives would be now that he was in office. I challenged her to come to me in a year and we would compare philosophies and see who would be right and who would have to admit that they were wrong. Well, to date, my sis can't come up with a single thing in her life that is better although she does complain about having to work two jobs, 7 days a week to make ends meet. Not one to gloat but an I told ya so is headed her way soon.

Twil, if I put in 4 years of school in a specialized field and decided to make that my life's work then , yes, I would feel entitled to a decent paying job in that career field. I wouldn't want to work for minimum wage because I sepnt THOUSANDS for schooling. I would find it hard to pay back that money on minimum wage AND feed my family. But you make an assumption about some of the jobs you spoke of. Construction? I have a family member that went to college for four years in business. Why you ask...so he could keep track of and pay the employees he would have. To be able to do the math that is required. A friend has a business degree so he can run the family farm. Can anyone pick up a hammer and call himself a carpenter?..Sure...will he do well at it...probably not. Can anyone plant aq seed and be called a farmer...absolutely...will they feed the masses?...maybe but only if their lucky. ANd belive me..I've done both and there is nothing easy about these jobs. No such thing as casual friday when it's 10 degrees out and you have to get this house framed to feed your family this week.

Watch this. Bazooka was kind enough to send this to me. See how much DC feels our pain! This will really chap your butts and Pelosi's response is a GEM as well. What a buch of crap!

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf...

Enjoy.

Currently I wash dishes at a nursing home while going to school. I dont mind the job at all. It is not above or below me. This is not to say that I am better than anyone else. I have been homeless. I have led a very poor existence at times and so dont have the lofty expectations that others do. I cant count how many people that I have spoke to that feel that its society's fault that they are not living the upper-Middle class life. Their own decisions had nothing to do with their having to downsize from 3 cars to 2, having to cancel their NFL sunday ticket subscription, etc. I just tire of excuses and whining.

The govt. is not to blame for everything nor should it take all the credit. It is just one element in life. Some people are always going to have little man syndrome. Always needing to blame somone for their misfortunes. The govt. being the easiest target for their frustration. Govt. has ultimate authority. It is easy to cry the blues about because it is simply nameless individuals in some office following orders. Easy to blame and it keeps them from looking inward. People's own failings are not the whole story of course. In today's culture, i find that personal responsibility gets pushed to the bottom of the priority totem pole.

Gotta go with you on THAT one, Ol' buddy!

Instead of "shooting" the politicans, we NEED to "shoot" the knuckleheads in this country who keep re-electing them.

Obama just awarded a 15 million dollar Federal contract (UN-bidded upon), to a corporation that donated to his campaign. All the backdoor deals, the takeovers, etc............those who voted for THIS administration, are responsible for what's happened!

I guess that's true Twil.............when ya hire the fox to guard the henhouse, you really CAN'T blame HIM for stealing your chickens.

You KNEW he was a thief when you hired him.................or with a little pre-election homework, you SHOULD have known.

Oh....Twil......remember you and I discussing fiscal responsibility a while back? How WE are supposed to be more frugal?

Well, the Copenhagen Treaty didn't just involve Obama. Michelle & Oprah flew on a SECOND presidential jet to attend. Nancy Pelosi gathered up 3 MORE jets, and took 24 congressmen, and their friends and their families over there as well. She put 'em all up in a 5-star Marriott and had limosines flown-in for their use.

Food was catered to the whole entourage, and you can BET nobody had to order from McDonald's "Dollar Menu" either!

And the cost of this trip? $408,000 for airfare alone! Came out to $2,200 PER night PER legislator............and that's BEFORE we start talking about the limos, Hotel & food.

And WHO do you suppose PAID for all of it? (give ya 3 guesses, and the first 2 don't count!)

Obama and his immediate staff are the only ones who had any need to BE at that conference. Princess Pelosi turned it into a winter vacation for those she selected.

This country is hurting, WE are told to cut back and spend "wisely."

Nebraska is allowing in-state tuition to illegals (who SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE).

Obama gave two BILLION to Brazil to help them drill for oil that will go to both Brazil and China.

These are but a few "entree's" from a HUGE "menu".

And these are the same bums who echo and reverberate on a daily basis.........about "all this debt" they "inherited" from Bush!

But I won't blame government or even the administration on this particular post. No I won't, and you're right, let's put it where it belongs................

We need to not only get rid of the illegals, but the goofballs who continue to support and worship these a--holes back there.

OUT!................All of 'em!

You're right......the blame SHOULD rest with the people.............the goofballs who let the media think for them because thay either CAN'T or REFUSE to think for themselves.

The "braindead" out there who will support ANYTHING that is trendy, styish or different.

The mentally and emotionally BLIND out there who cling to Mao and Marx, even though the Soviet Union, China and other kindred nations have kept their "subjects" in-check, enslaved and in many cases, without basic human rights.............they now think WE should be like that!

Yeah..............WE need to be socialists too!.............everybody equal......spread the wealth.

Well......everybody in San Quentin is "equal" too.

In the meantime though..............the blame is still on BUSH................always WILL be!

"The "braindead" out there who will support ANYTHING that is trendy, styish or different."

There are quite a few who embody that statement. Well said. The idea of govt. borrowing to prop up the lives of average Americans got its start with FDR which is long before Bush. The difference being that FDR and his staff had a plan to pay it back before they ever did the borrowing. This plan may not have worked perfectly but at least they did not take this for granted. Today's politicians have no clue how to pay it back nor do they care. Or at least that is the impression that i get.

There are quite a few out there (mostly the younger generation) who simply jumped on the Obama bandwagon without thinking through all of it. Politicians are universally full of hot air. They are simply legal used car salesmen. For every speech, there is always a degree of exaggeration. They always simplify things too much. Economies are complex. Military decisions cant be made in two seconds. Ok, time to go to class. The 55-minute joke without a punchline.

It was typical political speak. I guess I can say that he is charismatic but really when one strips away the PC talk, he is just a slick salesman. I wont condemn him but his platform seems to be built not on original ideas but doing what the masses want. I know that sounds strange but he seems to react to his constituency and then follow from there. He appears passionate but I get the impression that he is simply following what the polls say will be the most popular move. I wont go on but I detect some flaws in that style.

the polls overwhelmingly stated that health care and iraq/iran were the two issues that people wanted addressed come election time. I did some checking on him and prior to declaring his intention to run for the presidency he cared very little about these issues. That seems to tell me that he only cares because we care. That sounds legit. That tends to result in someone who simply goes through the motions or someone that does not understand the issue altogether. I lean towards the latter. I wont blabber on but there is more to the equation than his party would like to admit.

Some of it is that they are have different agendas and different expectations. If being in Congress was not a source of prestige or financial stability, things would get done and for the right reasons. Kim's other post supports this idea.