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Communism: Started where faith ended.
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The myths of science lead a majority of men to become atheist. Men, Like Stalin, who were brought up in religious families had a profound life-altering experience during those years when Darwin's theory came to be widely blieved. It is a theory! A theory that couldn't be proven yet they believed that it was fact based on another ignorant "scientific" test. One of the widely circulated "proofs" that God didn't exist was a box filled with dirt. This Darwin-era science was ignorance but once accepted, hard to renounce as untrue. Here's the proof-a box is filled with dirt and kept warm. Eventually, worms and insects will appear living in the dirt. Therefore, God didn't create life. Life is spontaneous. Of course, in that time, science had not discovered the fact that eggs were laid in that dirt prior to putting it in the box. And of course, when it was de-bunked, nobody paid attention. Ignorance spawned a nation of atheism. No God, except you! Everyone knows what those atheist did to destroy their countries and it started with a theory and a box of dirt! After Lenin died, Stalin took on the task that Lenin wanted which was nationalizing all agricultural lands called, "collectivization". The purpose was clear. Take control of the people's property, steal their crops and use the profit to support the Communist industry and it's military. The propaganda was simple: The people were told that collectivization would increase crop yields and profits but instead it caused famine and death. All farmers had to produce their crops and give to the nation until the quota was filled and only then would the fanily be able to have some. It was treason against their country if anyone profited off their crops. While Stalin exported thousands of tons of grain, the people died in the millions from starvation, torture and murder. Those who resisted giving their crops were shot and killed along with their wives and children. As the people died of starvation, the gov't had buildings bursting with grain. Eighty percent of those tortured, killed or sent to work camps were middle-class. Collectivization always began in a village by closing the church and deporting the clergy. The gov't would demand an amount of crops which was always more than the people's fields could produce therefore they received nothing. If anyone was caught selling or profiting from their crops, they were given a death sentence or sent to a labor camp. People were starving with a field full of corn Soon, the people were eating worms, domestic pets, rats, ants and making soups from weeds. And those people were considered the lucky ones. Read what happened to the people sent to labor camps or uninhabited islands. That will really sicken you. Pretty evil stuff, huh? Could we end up where these people were? It is certainly possible. I would hope that we wouldn't. However, I believe that if you take God out of the picture and remove morality, evil will flourish. Justifying evil deeds will multiply. Soon after, there will be generations of people with no conscience for what is true, righteous, humble, charitable, or good. Therefore, there is no hope and without hope there is only death. And that is my not-so-humble opinion. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Religion was the sole reason behind the misery that was Europe from 500 to 1600. Hmmm... I think that a thousand years of ignorance would spawn a new way of thinking.
Your writing goes all over the place, from politics to god to evolution to economics, but to puncture a few of the more obvious misstatements about evloution, try this:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-coun...
"Evolution" might make interesting discussion material, but "Revolution" is the only thing that's going to save this country.
Yes........MILLIONS were tortured and killed duing Lenin & Stalin's time. Hitler's time too.
Gee, you'd think the people wouldn't have just stood by and done NOTHING!
Unfortunately, wooden clubs against German Mausers, is NOT an "even exchange."
Students with bricks don't fare too well against Russian AK-47's.
Something to think about if you support Obama, Schumer, Feinstein and all their closest friends. There are more "goodies" planned for us down the road.
Check the sites yourself, and see WHO sponsors WHAT.
Depending on what side of the power grid you are...........gun control DOES work!
twilcox1978...don't ever try to pass yourself off as a historian. Regardless of which side of the fence you lean on, religion was the unifying influence in Europe following the fall of the Pax Romana. Ignorance was the cause of misery..30,000 tribes and fiefdoms all looking out for their own self-interest kept destroying each other. Throw in a few Mongol hoards, generational bouts with plague, and the relentless pursuit of empire by a bunch of ragheaded, sword swinging heretics, and it's any wonder how Europeans survived long enough to wish they were us.
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/greys...
Umm Censored...Hitler was JEWISH...at least half...and the last time I checked..maybe Dave can find a link to prove it... but Jews don't beleive that Christ was the savior sent by God. But hey...what do I know..I could be wrong.
That IS true.
But all the rhetoric side, Hitler, Stalin, and others just LIKE them, are IN FACT responsible for the genocide of MILLIONS.
And THEIR regimes had absolute control of their countries.
Just like where THIS country is headed.
I don't mean to be "common sense simple".......but doesn't ANYBODY out there think we should put a STOP to this s--t before it DOES reach the point of no-return?
Do we go to school stupid and come out the same way?
Do we NOT learn from history?
Have we NOT seen this pattern before?
Are we actually as nieve and numbed as this government ASSUMES we are?
Reminds me of the story of the guy who falls off the roof of a 50-story building, and after he passes the 30th floor, someone hears him say......"So far, so good!"
I hope there's no wind today..............Lord have mercy, I hope there's no wind today. I can't take much more this morning.
Whether you want to believe that the loss of faith in God was the root of Marx & Stalin's evil is anyone's decision. I didn't just decide that based on nothing. I am not a bible-thumper. What I did was read the history and the men behind that history. It is not me who blamed the fall of man on the loss of faith, it was those very men and what they said. If someone poses as a Christian and spews it in order to get the trust of people, that is not only evil in its purest form but also genius because it works. Hitler used religion to get the support and then abolished it from his country. Stalin was straight-forward and stated openly that religion had to be abolished. And lastly, I reported that the Russian middle class were the main targets. In that time, the middle class were those who had the land and grew the crops. Again, not my words but history's words that stated that 80% of the target people were of that middle class and everyone else suffered due to the lack of food. Read it for yourself, I don't just make stuff up. How stupid would I be? (Time: 6:27am)
MBouncer:
Hitler was a Baptised Roman Catholic and practiced his faith throughout his life. Never renounced or was booted from the church by it's leaders. The leaders in fact, encouraged his antics at the time.
And just because a person has a great-great-grandmother who may have practiced, lets say voodoo, doesn't mean the grand-kids will follow the voodoo practices. Not downing on Voodoo, just using it as an example.
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Bazooka:
Those were different times, politically, economically and socially. Again just because you have one outcome in the past doesn't mean you will get the exact same outcome in the present. Take Britain for example, they have some pretty socialistic policies there but their citizens are not locked away in labor camps, concentration camps or forced to give up private property. They are still free individuals, with dare I say it, Free Speech.
Or like this whole swine-flu fiasco going on where you have some rightist media types saying that the government will be locking people away if they refuse vaccines or present with flu-like symptoms. That happened in the past with the Spanish-Flu in this country and others at the time. The police went out and actively arrested and jailed anyone who was sick, to quarantine them from the rest of society. And the government got in trouble for this practice. It hasn't happened since that time. But your mouthpieces are using the past practices of fed and local government to scare the pants off you people. Why would Rightist do this? Only their twisted little heads know.
And we still have our guns.
Kim:
Your history books or the sites you visit are deeply flawed. Sorry.
Or maybe it's some of that Beckistan history you've been learning?
Haven't listened to Beck in months. Don't have the time. Everyone must be on their own quest for truth and understanding. I have always told my kids and anyone else that their quest is their own. What they decide to believe as truth comes from learning as much about all religions and sciences. I encourage the use of the brain and the art of asking questions. I want to question the teachings of man & religion. From all of that knowledge, your quest for truth will be fruitful. And most importantly, what you believe is yours and not just something that you were told. (time: 7:05am)
Kim: not just something that you were told. (to believe)
Again, laughable.
We're going on a witch hunt, we're going on a witch hunt,....
Censored. I was stationed in England. they aren't as free as you think, and they're being taxed worse today, than they were when we ran their monarchy out of HERE!
We all read books, pepers, listen to different news sources, and we all get what we want to get out of them.
We you and I differ--------------and this can never be solved----------is our age difference.
I have LIVED in an America you sadly will never know. I have lived and breathed through times you have only read bout.
I KNOW what this country and this society have been capable of.................and thusly do NOT accept the bulls--t that's going on today.
You don't see the degeneration I have seen.
More and more of our young people are in trouble, on drugs or dead because of this new "progressive, ACCEPTING" society.
Patton has been replaced by Patreous, and we don't win battles anymore.
Reagan has NEVER been replaced, and the world kicks us around now.
We don't care what our kids are being shown on television................hell, we don't even know where they ARE half the time.
We cater to other countries, illegal aliens and terrorists, and forget our own.
We tamper with things that don't need to be tampered with, then fight with each other when it doesn't work.
We push God and our Constitution aside..........and America right along with it.
But by God we're POLITICALLY CORRECT!
I to have lived in England my friend. The only thing I disliked about the place was the fact that their beer was so pricey.
And the time in which you grew up still allowed for legalized racism. If you want to wax nostalgic about it be my guest. But it won't do you any good. Because things, strangely, have a way of changing. Whether you like it or not. But you and your ilk would rather a society of stagnation instead of progress. That's your trip and no one can take it from you. But the momentum of society can't be stopped. I'm sure the Romans would have liked to stop the momentum, but alas they couldn't and they fell to pieces.
And again, there will be no socialist America. You guys are becoming fatalist.
I hope you're right. I really am. But I'm not going to "beat my swords into plowshares".
Where were you in England?
Mainly Colchester(sp?), but rode the rails and buses all over the place.
Progress isn't always good, though. There's an old adage that still has a lot of credibilty today...............something along the lines of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
I have an EX-wife who made a point of "saving" 3 to 5 bucks on every shopping trip to Boise. But when you burn up a half tank of gas and an entire afternoon bouncing back and forth between stores.................
When I see the crime, corruption, national debt, loss of respect from our global neighbors, behind-closed-doors legislation, government takeovers, Constitution being scrapped, filth of public televison that our kids watch, parents being jailed for disciplining their kids, coddling of terrorists...............
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to see "progress"
That "things haven't happened yet"................
Well, there's an old theater proverb that says if you see the rifle hanging over the fireplace mantle in Act I and Act II................you can bet that it's GONNA GET USED in Act III.
Mine's already off the wall. I ain't waitin' for the "fat lady to sing."
Believe what you want but after the "fall of Rome", where did people live? Dont play stupid and make up stuff to fit your argument. Oh... they lived in feudal villages, castles, etc. that operated under the iron fist of what? Answer that and that is why religion was behind the suffering that was the Middle Ages. Greeks, Romans, and Persians of the first 500 years were well on their way to knowing science and mathematics quite intimately but what got in their way. Hmmm... pretty convincing stuff.
"You find as you look around the world that every single bit of progress in humane feeling, every improvement in the criminal law, every step toward the diminution of war, every step toward better treatment of the colored races, or every mitigation of slavery, every moral progress that there has been in the world, has been consistently opposed by the organized churches of the world. I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world."-Bertrand Russell, 1927
As true today as it was even then.
Well, if it's the CHURCHES to blame, they've done a miserable job!
Wars have gotten much longer without winning anything.
The criminal element lives better than a lot of US, and they caertainly have more rights.
There is a black president and affirmative action.
Morality has gone SOUTH.
This "progress" concept has unfortunately been allowed to flourish.
Is it not a coincidence that church attendance in Europe is at an all-time low and the standard of living is at an all-time high. Now that there are no theocracies in Europe, they have been relatively civil-war free. Yes, wars have happened but not nearly as often as they did prior to 1950.
Jinkies!
Nothing is so ardently believed as that which you know the least about. There is no way to tear down the wall of invincible ignorance that some of you continue to construct around yourselves, so I'll just let you rest. I don't want to ever be confused with being on the wrong side of an argument with fools.
Quoting Bertrand Russell gives as much credibility to your argument as quoting Bill Clinton in a thesis supporting integrity.
Jy-D:
Nice! Did you google that? I'll bet you did,...
censored,
junkyard dog must have "googled it" because no one but those that bow down and accept your word as law and gospel could possibly be intelligent in your eyes could they.
Similiar to your rants about statistics regarding crime rates and which ethnic groups are commiting more crimes in the U.S. you represent yourself as this well read "expert" yet when confronted with statistics and FACTUAL information including references..... POOF it's back pedal time and on to your next rant LOL
delusions of grandeur!!!!!!!!!!
Save ya the trouble and provide definitions for those BIG words LOL so YOU don't have to "google" them.
delusion: implies an inability to distinguish between what is real and what only seems to be real, often as the result of a disordered state of mind
grandeur: the quality or state of being grand
CJW:
Yup. Just like all of us American citizens, generalizing everything, instead of looking into the mess and false statements that persuade us to believe in one way or the other.
And it's still a fact that people of the white community commit more crime then all the other groups in this country. So it goes,...
And I'm not an expert, just well read. Might possibly be a Hijacker of blogs as well? But that's not a crime yet so I am in the minority of non-criminal whites.
Hmmmm. Censored, you have an interesting take on who is in jail and who is not.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/jails.htm
Or this:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jail...
Or this:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jail...
Opinion Missy:
Look at the blue line= white inmates.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jail...
This graph is labeled Jailed Inmates by Race and Ethnicity.
Notice how the blue line is higher then the others.
Dig it!
censored,
STATISTICS STATISTICS STATISTICS.....
If I were to tell you that 4777 apples out of each 100000 went bad
compared to 777 oranges out of every 100000 going bad you could assume that MORE APPLES WENT BAD THAN ORANGES, correct?
The very same concept is used to determine which age groups pay higher automobile insurance every day, it is called risk assessment.
Pretty simple math I am still very confused as to why you even argue the point, did they not teach math when you went to school?
As long as the argument continues to be along the lines of religious affiliation or racial make up the discussion will continue to be pointless. For the religious to try and take away a non-religious persons validity or morality because of their lack of religion is flawed thinking to say the least. For the non-religious to negate a religious persons point of view because they believe in a God is equally flawed. Criminals are criminals, and good people should condemn them regardless of race. When we start to concentrate on an individuals right to freedom and the principals that this country was founded on,(not the religion), that is when we will make progress. As long as the politicians from both sides can keep up bickering we will continue to live in a dictatorship of the powerful and rich over the not.
Cantjustwatch and opinionmissy:
Lady or man, it was opinionmissy that went back to statistics. So go rag on her. And you were the first one to post statistics originally so you could label the Black Community as all potential criminals and the reason that America is chitty now, by your reasoning. So rag on yourself for a while instead. And the only reason you keep acting pissy about this is because your racism backfired on you, as well as your numbers.
Because yet again there are more white people incarcerated at this time.
So go get your bed sheets on and burn a cross you silly individual.
And the link I posted was opinionmissys middle one.
I dont know about the whole prison topic so I will steer clear.
As for religion, I find non-believers to be vastly more tolerant and accepting of other views. I may be wrong but when the theory is tested over a wide populace and has similar results, it is not all that outlandish to presume that it is correct.
Back to the topic, Greeks in the 5th century were on their way to decoding calculus and some physics. In a hypothetical and more logical scenario, one has to wonder how things would have turned out if the church and its ties to the emperor and upper politics had not deemed it heresy. I would say that it has proven to be a better way of understanding the world around us than arbitrary, subjective, change-it-to-your-liking theories told by street theologians. This oppression lasted until the 1600's. 1100 years wasted.... now do we want to revert back to that.
censored,
I give up you win... enough insults and childish attacks did it for me. Congratulations you get the silver star for most arrogant and childish poster of the year.
Logic does not work with you, facts don't work with you, and anyone that disagrees with you becomes a racist or idiot ragging on others. I understand now. Thank you so much for educating me.
Cantjustwatch:
I was just about to say that to you. Blast! You win for the quick draw.
Should I not defend myself when you accuse me of lacking math skills and logic. Should I take the abuse graciously,...turn the other cheek style? No. That wouldn't be American. Arrogance and childish antics have been pressed upon me from this society. So I must persist like any patriotic American.
And it's not everyone who I disagree with that becomes the racist. Just you and others that blame societies ills on ethnic groups, instead of looking at themselves for the culprit.
If'n you don't like it go back to your motherland.
Dig it,...?
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Twilcox:
Sorry for the immaturity and interruption.
Your logic is sound.
Mine ain't.
Religion and a common sense belief in God are two different things. Organized religion has been corrupted for so long by ignorant people who just don't get it for far too long. Bickering and self-righteous holier-than-thou people have caused more evil to flourish. Religion is man-made. A basic belief in the existance of God without all the doctrine hanging from your shoulders is certainly closer to what God wants than all the constrains of organized religion. It is true that over the years of history, man have used their religion to cause wars and bloodshed. I am not a part of that. I believe in God. That simple. Those religious leaders of the past, in the time of Stalin and Hitler, were men who had distorted their religion due to human characteristics called greed and a hunger for power over the people. The simple people had a simple faith and desire to live a good life. When people who were brought up in the man-made religion of those powerful leaders and are then told that there is no God of creation, it had a profound effect on their souls. I'm sorry that everyone wants to focus on the religion and all it's faults instead of the facts. Anger played a large role in the formation of the oppression of Stalin and Hitler. They were angry men who wanted to take complete control. They hated so deeply that they used the minds of millions to help them kill off those that they hated. They knew that they could eraticate generations of them by taking away anything that gave them hope and strength. Hence the reason to remove the churches and leaders in order to leave the people weak and afraid. That is what this blog was about. Not a discussion about the validity of God's existence or to focus on the flawed religion of Man. (Time: 6:44am)
I'll say this.............We have EXCELLENT programs in our church for our youth. They go to camp, are involved in sports, school debate teams, marching band, bible studies and a myriad of things that promote purpose and unity.
Are they perfect? Of course not. I have never however, seen ANY of them throwing a fit up at WallyWorld, being disrespectful to mom & dad, nor have I ever heard of ANY of them being BUSTED by the cops for anything.
I'm not going to get into a religeous debate here, but kids who attend church regularly by and large turn into really fine citizens in SPITE of the peer pressure they have to deal with in public schools.
They ARE a few exceptions, as there will ALWAYS be, but for the most part, they'll grow up into better adults than anybody this "progressive world" of ours will ever produce.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext...
Not like Mike has not posted this before. This lays out the plan for these "emergency" camps. The fine print is what tells the tale.
http://images.google.com/images?q=US+con...
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=US...
WTF?! You people removed the section I wrote that showed Hitler as a Christian. You people are sad.
Here is a bit of Hitler the Christian Speaking:
April 12, 1922, Hitler said:
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice . . .
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.
When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."
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Hitler was a Christian, Hitler was a Christian,
and the Rightist act like him!
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That's free speech.
Take it down again ya Nazi's,,,,,,,
Censored: I don't know any way to remove someone's comments but regardless, I wouldn't if I knew. I strongly believe that everyone has a right to comment and have their own opinion. What you wrote was truth. Hitler did proclaim to be a Christian. He was like the false prophet! Deception to the Nth degree. I would be interested to know how your comment could have been removed. I'm sure the moderator from the paper could do it but if so you would think more comments that are offensive and cruel would have disappeared and not yours.
I certainly have to concur. I agree with VERY LITTLE that gets spewed on this blogsite, but I defend people's rights to voice their opinions
We have ENOUGH trouble with the Democrats in DC looking to squelch our 1st Amendment, without trying to practice it ourselves
As for Hitler being a Christian...............
He may have CLAIMED that, but then, he lied about a LOT of things, just like somebody ELSE does today.
A Christian is someone who tries his imperfect best to follow the teachings of Jesus, and I find it rather difficult to believe that Christ would have gassed six and a half million Jews.
SAYING you are something, doesn't make you one.
Hitler was no more of a christian than Nancy Pelosi is sane.
I know you couldn't do it personally from your computer. I was calling out whoever it was that complained to the moderator or editor or whoever has the magic purge button.
I could understand the action if there was personal attacks or cursing in that section. But there wasn't so it is a case of someone simply not liking what was written. In which case, everything should be purged from the screen not just one particular section of commentary.
Whoever complained is an anti-American chump!(that is a personal attack towards the culprit)
censored,
Have to say I disagree with you on here A LOT, but I DO agree to your right to free speech and freedom to express your viewpoints/opinions/facts you have researched. So continue to post please, even though you have frustrated me at times I HAVE learned from some of what you have posted.
Look, I am not anti-christian or anti-atheist. What I am is angry at overly sensitive people that can't grasp that maybe??, hitler held many of their same beliefs. And I'm angry at people who are one-sided about their censorship.
The fact is, no one can definitively prove that Hitler wasn't a christian, atheist, deist, theist or mud worshiper.
Everything he wrote in Mien Kampf points toward him being a Christian. Deal with it.
whoever complained is a Nazi (that is another personal attack)
And whoever is the culprit is a hypocritical square. (another personal attack)
But I didn't curse.
Anti-American chump?............gotta hand it to you, Censored, that's being a damned sight more cordial that I would have been!
The only thing I have to "deal with" today is the weather.
Not a breeze in the trees.
Awful overcast, though. Been wanting to put a few rounds through the old Mauser just to stay "familiar" with it,but I don't want to get drenched doing it.
I'm gonna go grab a cup and see what it looks like when the sun gets up there a little bit.
Have a good day, y'all
I have read a lot of books about Hitler and the Holocaust and I do remember somewhere reading where it said that Hitler was a Jew however he kept that a secret when he was rising to power. I don't think I will ever remember what book I read it in..
Could be! He was also a native born Austrian, not a German..............and the first country he "liberated" was Austria, if I'm not mistaken.
It was either his grandmother or great grandmother that was of Jewish decent. I Think? In the end it doesn't matter what his lineage was, he was still a syphilis carrying nut and a murderous speed junkie, with one testy.
He was definitely one twisted individual. Good salesman though........he had a lot of people following him.............for awhile anyway.
Yes, he told everyone what they wanted to hear. The lack of information on the part of citizens held them back from making a sound judgment on him or any of the surrounding events. We have better access to information and most people know past history to avoid the apocalyptic scenario that some on here try to profess.
Once there was a 4th grade class that decided to vote for a class president. There were two candidates, Jamie and Olivia.
Jamie stood up, made his speech and told what he would do to improve the class, from chalkboard erasers to extra points for good homework returns. Everyone applauded and he sat back down.
Olivia got up and promised everybody ice cream. All the kids cheered wildly and Olivia sat down. Olivia never told anyone how she intended to pay for the ice cream. Would her parents pay for it? Would she pass the hat around? Maybe try to get the money from the school or the teacher?
Didn't matter. She won by a landslide.
Every time Obama opened his mouth, he promised ice cream, and 52% of this country acted like nine year olds.
OMG...AT LAST...Censored and I agree on something...write this date down. Thanks censored
Bouncer.............off the subject, but important enough to be..............gunshow this weekend at the Boise Fairgrounds.
Going to church doesn't make you a Believer any more than visiting a garage makes you a car.
Hypocrisy is as common among us as people who say one thing, and do another.
Obama is proof of that!