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When asked occasionally why I quote the "ramblings of a bunch of old farts from the 18th century who don't have to live in 2009", I always reply:

Because those "old farts" were smart enough to be sure they didn't HAVE to live in a "2009", and after kicking THEIR "masters" out, they drafted up our Constitution for us to follow, so that WE didn't have to endure a "2009" either...................they were assuming of course that future generations would be as intelligent, as vigilant and have the same amount of spine as THEY had. (Boy, THAT'S a real "knee-slapper", ain't it?).

Our founders spilled a lot of blood so we could have our SUV's, plasma screen televisions and microwave ovens, and be able to grumble and gripe if we so desire.

And to just allow it all to be taken away from us, step by step, without a shot fired, thinking the government is going to wrap its loving arms around us like "Linus' Security Blanket"..................

That "old fart" Ben Franklin knew what he was talking about. He knew it way back THEN.

WE........today............remind me of old Sergeant Schultz from "Hogan's Heroes"..........................."I see nut-ting, I hear nut-ting, I KNOW NUT-TING!!"

Even as the "Gestapo" is driving into our camp.................and Pelosi says we need to pay the fines or go to jail........

Yes..........."Those who trade freedom for security deserve neither."

Exactly, Twil. Poverty and desperation are perfect situations that lead people to ignore things, accept things they normally wouldn't and do things that they never thought they would. Desperate people will follow the charm of the piper.

Not to be a know-it-all but Hitler's regime owes its life to the crushing poverty brought on Kaiser Wilhelms poor decision-making and Germany not getting off the gold standard. If not for the poverty and desperation, the propaganda would have ended up as firewood or used in the bathroom.

No surprise at all. These days, when you tell the truth, you ARE "controversial."

Dobbs never had any business working for that flakey network. They ought to hire him at FOX and fire that nutjob Geraldo.

In that case, he CAN'T last much longer at the Communist News Network

Google your own " " Dave and you can find a fair amount of info. When I did, the story you are looking for is 1 that came up. Good luck. I am sure you will see the light.

Naw...........that's the one I got sent to me through an email. I had to hit it a few times, but it DID go through for me.

Wasn't any big deal for me, though............it ain't like I didn't already know it. I've been preparing for a long time now.

We'll see what happens in Copenhagen next month.

If Dobbs was raised here in Idaho, he'll definitely get canned. Most people raised around HERE rely on common sense, which doesn't fit in New York. Besides, at CNN, you're only allowed to say whatever benifits the left.

Oh well......Geraldo has HIS own show on FOX., but at least Hannity and O'Reilly STEADILY have liberals on their panels to spark some lively debates. As soon as Geraldo starts losing an argument, he conveniently "runs out of time."

Kind of puts me in mind of Miss California. The gay guy stands up and asks her a question. She gives an honest answer and got HAMMERED for it. Cost her the crown, but she never flinched on her beliefs.

Yeah Beau, two-sided stories and CNN don't mix. Dobbs is probably done.

......There is also a VERY interesting piece of news from CNN of all people...............

http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182/161...

Might take you 4 or 5 stabs at it, but it's well worth it..............and THIS ain't from FOX!

and once again............final post stopped at "161"......so continue FROM 161 and type 0997888/name/ftc-v126.wmv

Kim:

I am right there with you! I do not need power or a big house with all of the "creature comforts" at this stage of the game. Let me know when you find that place...all of the "paranoids" and "nuts" can live together. "Community" farms can feed people and what a person "needs" can be traded for. I am all for a simple life with no taxes and reformed healthcare run by a Government who has no clue. Today just disgusts me. Obama and his Dems are a disgrace.

Know how thet're gonna get healthcare for illegals passed in this bill? They're gonna grant them AMNESTY and make 'em CITIZENS, so their "messiah" won't appear to have been lying when he said they WOULDN'T be included.

Watch that happen.

And why not? It ain't money out of THEIR pockets...........and it'll be another 12 million "guarenteed" voters.

Yep Missy, I wrote about these places to house people awhile back but I was called paranoid and crazy. I think that naysayers will be our undoing. I hope not and hope is a wonderful thing that we still have. Although once hope is gone, I'm liguidating and moving to some more isolated place. Not sure where but it is there in the back of my mind. I never thought I would consider it but then again, I never thought I would see what I'm seeing today.

Hey Dave............you're a guy who "lives with the links"

Ingest THIS one.............then we'll discuss rughtwing extremist paranoia if you or anyone else so chooses.

I've forwarded this by Email to every American I know

www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idU...

Too bad they didn't monitor that nut at Fort hood a little closer, eh?

Missy...........didn't work out today. Calm when I left the house but gusting when I got there. Might try again this afternoon if it backs off.

Saw and talked to Bouncer this morning, though. Always good to talk with fellow Americans, so the morning wasn't a total loss!

Good grief Dave! Get a clue. Like I said...my time for "stupid" for this day is over. I cannot be any more clear for you. Perhaps Mike or Kim will draw you the picture that you so very much need.

Kim:

I have never met you (I have met your husband) and I hope that one day I will have that chance. Keep up your good works gal as many of us love what you write and your "passion" for YOUR America. You make us think, research, digest and think some more (some of us anyway).

Mike:

Right on track my friend. Take care today and watch your back.

Dave:

Let me try again in a MORE simple way for you so that you might get it (probably not but here it goes). In life, people make choices. Some of those choices are good and some of those choices are bad. We are only human and human beings make mistakes. With that said, the events of WWII/the holocaust DID NOT happen over night. That puzzle, if you will, had been laid out over a period of years. People could see the changes being made and spoke out! The "problem" was that the Government had the upper hand (so to speak) and the people speaking out...were out numbered and over powered. It was a very well laid out plan that was very well thought out WELL in advance. Nothing came on over night---changes were NOT instant (FAR FROM IT).

So to say that these people had "no opportunity to alter their fate" is not factual.

Then you say (which is once again, in part, less than factual):

"In Germany, they were the victims of systemic discrimination, lacking legal recourse and were not allowed to own property or businesses."

Many of the people sent to those camps were very wealthy. They owned property and businesses. They had vast art collections and were some of the best jewelers in the country/Europe. Many were also very well educated---doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc.

What ALL of these people lacked dearest Dave was a GOVERNMENT WITH A BACKBONE! The GOVERNMENT and PEOPLE NOT (I REPEAT NOT) in those camps could have done something. Many a country stood by and WATCHED as MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people were put to death with gas, starved, beaten or shot to death. PEOPLE and NATIONS ALLOWED it to happen. There were pictures. It was NOT a secret. It went on for YEARS before a country with any power came in and said ENOUGH.

So...had people stood up for their rights and not bought into all of the BS ("a better life/for your own good"), things would have been very different. So please, once again, spare me the "lashing" over how dare I compare what is going on now to the holocaust. I have been told I was wrong by far better than you I am sure.

So, more simple terms for you Dave. Their are "prison camps" being constructed on US soil---to house AMERICANS!!!! It is in print and our own Government admits this. Some are even OPERATIONAL with staff! ADMITS IT DAVE!!! They/OUR Government are 1 by 1 taking away our rights...right under our noses. They/OUR Government are taxing us to death IN THE NAME OF A "BETTER LIFE." So once again Dave---how is this---the acts of today---ANY different than those in history? We are ALLOWING our corrupt, criminal Government to errode our rights away 1 by 1. ALLOWING IT!! Why? Because "IT" will NEVER HAPPEN TO US! Well Dave, it is HAPPENING to us because of millions of people just like YOU. The "it will never happen to us" clan.

And Dave, before you or anybody else attempts to say something like I (OM) blame the people who "went" with the Nazis to their death camps let me just say that was NOT what I said. I BLAME the people who ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN AND DID NOTHING!!! I BLAME their Government who said it was all for a "better life" and that those people would be safe and taken care of. I BLAME ALL of the people who said "it will never happen to us." Now, here we are LESS than 100 years later---AND WE ARE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN but this time on US soil and WE, the tax payers have PAID FOR IT. What a proud day.

I am Jewish. I was born Jewish. I will die Jewish and MY Government will NEVER take me to a camp because my views do not match theirs or my views/opinions are not PC. I will not go quietly and I will not ALLOW my Government to take my rights away without a fight. Over my cold, gun holding/owning, dead body. I know from my aunt and uncle's memory how this is going to play out if we continue down the road we are on. Healthcare reform to make my life better! Please! I already pay for all of the other Government programs that do not work in the name of a "better life."

Wake up Dave. Our own Government is "paving that road to hell with their good intentions" right under your nose and YOU still REFUSE to see what is going on. Good luck with that. I only hope a majority of the world is smarter than you because if not...we are in some real trouble.

Off to my "rocket" in the name of a "better life." My time spent on "stupid" is up for today and their is a loss of IQ points for any "debate" with Dave who has never had an original thought yet. To everyone else, enjoy your day and stay dry.

OM: I love your passion. I love the fact that even though it would be so much easier to laugh and say that it just couldn't happen here, you choose to look at everything and pay attention. What keeps coming to my mind is the old saying, The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I certainly think this applies to the healthcare and other policies being thrust upon us in the name of "helping" others. Thanks so much for reading what I write and taking the time to comment. God bless us, everyone!

Gee Dave, I thought that was just what I had done. As far as any of your "factual errors" are concerned---how do your opinions become "fact?"

As far as the acts of the Nazi party...they did not happen over night! Things were going on prior. Hitler did not just walk in and take over 1 day. He had a plan, filled with promises, etc. and took over. He was a good speaker. Told the people what they wanted or needed to hear at the time in order to do what HE WANTED TO DO. What "they" tell us and what "they" do are normally 2 different things.

As far as your opinions being "factual," I will differ with you on YOUR opinion for the following reasons, which are factaul and based on actual history, as opposed to my opinion.

First. People were in jails (before camps were constructed) under Nazi control as early as 1939 for being PI and not of the "perfect" race (hair color was wrong, too young, eye color wrong, "looked Jewish," etc.) or speaking out against their government or what was going on. There were Mormons, Catholics, Jews, etc. in these jails. Then the camps were constructed because they (the camps) could house more PI/less than "perfect" people than any jail. People were held there for years if they were able to survive. And how about those gas chambers or long lines of people shot to death just because of who they were or what they said or how they looked! All of this went on as bordering lands watched. These people had their rights erroded over time---not in 1 day. I am sure many expected their government to stand up for them and do what was right. Did it happen? Heck no! So, people were taken to these camps with the promise of a "better life." In these camps they were starved, beaten, raped, molested, etc. IN THE NAME OF A "BETTER LIFE."

Are you really too stupid to see how we live, much the same way? Are you really that stupid Dave? Our "rights" are being erroded daily in the name of "A BETTER LIFE." Who is it better for I demand to know?!?!

Do you really think these camps are being built/maintained to house illegals? Really?!?! Or to house people displaced due to natural disasters? Really? People who lived through Katrina really need to be kept behind 15 foot fences with razor wire on top and armed guards. Are these Americans now animals or a dnager because they have no home? NO! Common sense Dave at some point must prevail with you. As for my "twisted" (your word) take on things and the fact that I dare to compare the events of WWII to today...I thank my lucky stars that there are not more people on this planet who think like you. Do you also think that your children should not be taught about the holocaust because it was too ugly? I went to a school like that (in a Chicago suburb), which is why I ask.

How was that for you Dave? Not good enough I am sure. Opinions are NOT facts Dave and history does AND WILL repeat itself because a memory fades over time and the people who lived it die. Keep those rose colored glasses on. The "wackadoos" and "twisted" will protect you when the time comes. Oh wait! You will be with them. Sorry, my error. Once again, our founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves. Change is a given but not like this. I know, I know---it is all for a "better life" but for who?

For Dave! Please tell me how this is ANY different than what the Nazis did? All of those people who were rounded up thought it would NEVER happen and that their Government and military would protect them. Please tell me how the situations of TODAY are ANY DIFFERENT than the crimes which we now refer to as "history." Camps for people displaced by disaster! Please. These camps are in place for 1 reason and 1 reason only---to house Americans who REFUSE to "get with the program" as dictated by the crooks in DC. Many Americans will find themselves "relocated" when they refuse to give up their guns. Others will find themselves in these camps when they do not join on for healthcare. Funny how Obama finds these "camps" so disgusting for his people but for the AMERICANS---IT IS A-OKAY!!!!! Talk about disgusting. Wise up already Dave.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext...

Not like Mike has not posted this before. This lays out the plan for these "emergency" camps. The fine print is what tells the tale because they can/will be used for anything the Government sees fit to use them for. Funny how these FEMA Camps have not been used for the most recent FEMA disasters.

http://images.google.com/images?q=US+con...

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=US...

OM, time for you to put up some facts or shut up.

Provide us with a review of the factual errors in the comment I provided on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, at 9:13 PM.

How do you think it STARTED, Dave?

The idea here is to NOT let it turn INTO something. Like a cancer, you GET it BEFORE it spreads.

No by golly...........you're absolutely correct......we AREN'T being rounded up into concentration camps at the moment. (They ARE being planned though................see HR645, sponsored by a (dare I say it.......}

But we ARE seeing government TAKEOVERS, aren't we!

We ARE seeing government movements to SQUELCH FREE SPEECH, aren't we!......(Lloyd & Pelosi)

We ARE seeing VOTER FRAUD, aren't we! (ACORN)

Scanning through the House Bills, we ARE seeing plans to disarm the populace, aren't we! (pick one)

We ARE on tap to be FORCED into buying things whether we want to or not, under threats of fines and other penalties, aren't we! (HCB)

We're seeing the early stages of our CHILDREN being indoctrinated, AREN'T WE! (mmmmm-mmmmm-mmmmm)

"Promises and propaganda" Dave............promises and propaganda.

That's where it ALL GOT STARTED.

If you pour through enough of those links, you might even find some actual history of how that Third Reich came to be.

When you do............if you can STILL look at your government (notice I didn't say "our")......and tell ME you DON'T SEE any patterns here...........at LEAST tell me what you're drinking. I need to order a CASE of it.

OM, do you have any idea how much that stings?!

Further up the list of comments on this post, back on Saturday, there was a comment posted by bazookaman that states, "There is little INCENTIVE for ANYBODY to bust their butt "developing skills that benefit industry", when you're just gonna get penalized for it anyway.

Based on that comment, my question asked for examples of "achievers who brought a halt to their achieving ways."

To simplify, I'd like to read of someone who, of their own volition, has taken advantage of the blessings of liberty and passed up a job promotion simply because they'd pay more taxes. Or, someone who completely gave up, quit, pursuit of their life's successful and promising work based solely on their estimation of the amount their tax would be if they continued to prosper.

The people the Nazi's shipped like cattle in boxcars to camps where they were imprisoned, enslaved and murdered had no opportunity to alter their fate. In Germany, they were the victims of systemic discrimination, lacking legal recourse and were not allowed to own property or businesses.

The victims of the Nazi's most certainly did not willingly give up their lifes work.

We all know mass murder has been committed by men who were Nazi's, and by socialists and communists, etc. You and others on this blog have demonstrated a tedious propensity to invoke emotional memories of these horrors, making sophomoric attempts to draw superficial parallels between the issues we face today with the issues faced by the victims of mass murderers.

We are not, by any stretch of the imagination, faced with the situation as those murdered by the Nazi's.

Those of you who rely on such assinine comparisons to further your "arguments" disrespect the memory of every victim of the camps.

Face it, your comparison is twisted.

Now, get back to work on that rocket!

DT, you are a jackass. Nice response if that was the best you could do to make the situation "okay." It is well documented in history but I am sure you and many others shall continue with the "new" history lesson to fit your needs. Whatever makes you feel better Dave!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpE6ljPjS...

bazookaman, can you provide us with any verifiable examples of achievers who brought a halt to their achieving ways because they had their wealth taken from them and given to bums?

-- Posted by Dave Thompson on Sat, Oct 31, 2009, at 9:20 AM

YES---the Nazis. They took art, money, jewels, gold teeth (fillings) and THEIR (all of the people who went to the camps/were killed that is) wealth and it was given to "bums" and killers. How was that for an example "Mr. Thompson?" Let us see how you twist that to fit your needs.

At some level it is a contradiction for anyone who determines a career path based on their estimation of the amount of taxes they'll have to pay the government, rather than basing their decision on what they truly want to do in their life's work.

bazookaman, can you provide us with any verifiable examples of achievers who brought a halt to their achieving ways because they had their wealth taken from them and given to bums?

OM, why did you borrow money from or deposit money with your bank? Why do you feel the federal government need to get involved in your business now? The state government is there to render aid if you feel you've been defrauded. Just call the Idaho Attorney General and make your case clear. It works. Really. As far as jobs go, we have to ask ourselves the basic question, What marketable skills do I have to offer an employer? Have I attempted to continue devoloping skills that would benefit a competetive employer in order to secure and maintain a position in today's dynamic work environment? We can't expect to kick back and remain securely employed in a stagnant industry that has no competitors. I understand there may be opportunities in the nuclear power and alternative energy industries in the local area. These may not be palatable options, but considering the other industry that the area has been able to lure in over, say, the last quarter century (where can a guy get a hamburger or a pizza or a sub, or buy some cheap Chinese made goods for a buck in this town?) we may have to leave our oasis.

Mr. Dave Thompson with your links! I have never read anything like that, comparing the Oz to politics. I just happen to love the story and when I was writing the previous blog about who is the power behind Obama, it just came to me. I could see the OZ huge face and the curtain. That story is a wonderful tale. Once I thought about it more, it just seemed to fit. How we are dazzled by illusions. How we don't realize how wonderful something is until it is gone. I think everyone can relate to the story so I thought it would get people thinking about home and what that means. I wanted to inspire us all to appreciate and see that we are the great and powerful in our own lives. That we can find our way back home. I didn't know that others made it a intellectual thing-politics and OZ. Actually, I should feel complimented that you would think I was so smart. Really, it just grew as I wrote it and I didn't even post the whole thing, for space sake. Did you not like the story? Or were you so caught up in trying to figure out what I was saying that you missed what the story was saying to you? Relax, dude. Just enjoy the tale and allow yourself to dream about home.

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cf...

They must have included in that number the record number of people (jobs created) to "support" Obama (which Kim has done a story or 2 on) and all of the people hired to "support" the Mrs. That is not job creation, it is fraud against those of us that pay taxes. Makes me want to throw up frankly.

I want a better President. Just a regular guy who knows what it is like to really work for a living. Someone who has had their pay cut but hours increased. Someone who does the right thing and will stand up for the things he/she believes in no matter the cost. Some integrity would be nice as well (a lot of backbone if you will). A person who knows what a budget is----a real budget that is. If you only have a million dollars to spend...than that is ALL you spend. Just because you can print money does not mean you should or that is a way to pay the bills.

We need to get back to the basics! No healthcare plan until the budget is balanced. No more "government" (taxpayer) programs until our (the debt of Congress/the President(s)) debt is paid off. No more credit for Congress and hair brained ideas/wants when we cannot pay for it. That is how it works for those of us REAL people out there and our Government should be NO different.

I want the spending to stop. I want the banks to lower my interest rates back down to what they were when I signed on. I want the jobs that were promised that have yet to be (and I am sure never will be). I want our current Congress replaced with honest, hard working, "regular" Joe and Jane. I want the banks who took money from ME to live up to their agreements. I want the bailouts to stop because nobody is helping US and they are screwing all of us. I want the huge checks/pay/bonus bucks to stop to CEO's who have done a really crappy job (which is why they need bailouts). I want honesty in Government and some integrity with a lot of accountability to the people. No more travel to other countries on OUR dime. OUR country is in crisis----IF YOU CANNOT FIX US...HOW IN THE HECK CAN YOU "FIX" ANYBODY ELSE. Charity begins at home. Spend more time in the office here working on our problems and to HECK with the UN and the rest of that CRAP!

I hope these shoes Kim speaks of work! Because so far, I am in the same place as 10 minutes ago. Maybe Nancy could use some new red shoes to wear on that jet we bought her and pay for her to use. Obama said Chrysler and GM should give up their jets...SO SHOULD HE AND NANCY. Enough is enough. This is bull. All of it.