Flag ban lifted in OregonPosted Monday, October 19, 2009, at 11:49 PM
Big update! That Albany apartment manager decided that it was okay to have the flags. Especially since the media and public were screaming mad about it. Yes, you go Oregonians!
As early as 1998, banning the American flags started to become politically correct. Case in point- the New York Times reported: "Some military veterans in this Jersey Shore resort were left feeling defeated last week, after the City Council refused to overrule an order by the Police Chief banning American flag patches worn by about half the department's 29 officers." There was no concrete reason given to these police officers as to why they had to remove the flag patches except that the powers-that-be wanted the uniforms to just be uniforms. How could wearing one little flag patch be harmful? Banning Flag Clothing from schools: The San Benito High School restriction on flags in 2005 was due to tension between students of different nationalities. "As a senior at SBHS, I find that banning any and all flags protects against the threat of physical violence and verbal confrontation during lunch, break and class. If a student decides to wear a flag in support of their nationality, it creates tension with other students that cannot be ignored."(Hollister Freelance.com) Several CA and Colorado schools followed suit and banned any patriotic clothing or flags because they believe it is being used to taunt others. And here is an interesting history lesson. Following the most horrible terrorist attacks in our history, 9-11, many people were encouraged by their congressmen to fly their American Flags in their yards to show their patriotism, unfortunatley what many Senators and Representative's office got were millions of emails from their citizens stating that they are banned from flying the flag by their homeowners association. This is a widespread issue across the nation. While I firmly believe that communities and neighborhoods should be able to set their own policies, banning the nation's flag just doesn't seem very good for any community. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Anyone who would object to our flag being displayed or flown should be deported or shot. Their choice.
And again the Albany ordeal was not flag specific it was all flags even football league flags. Why? Because people had been using them to justify ugly behavior.
So here's what you leave out:
Cause and effect: When people use patriotism to justify hate and ignorance you will see a backlash of emotion. Which was happening at the school of which you write. "Red-blooded" American kids being hateful towards immigrant kids. I don't want my flag to be used as a symbol of hate.
And in the case of Home Owner Associations, why don't those people remove the HOAs and do what they want on their property? Where's the logic?
And the cops have always had flags on their uniforms. Don't have time to look that story up right now but will when I get home to my property.
When people act like infants they should get things taken away. It's just good parenting,...
Censored, Police have NOT always had flags on their uniforms. The first department I worked for had the department patch on both shoulders. The flag I wore was carried by the guardian angel I wore on my pocket. The sheriff's office I worked for was the same way until 9/11. We then added a flag just above the pocket. When I took over the small town police force there was no question on whether we wore flags on our uniforms. It was on the shoulder and worn with respect and duty. Today the same guardian angle holds the flag on the leather vest I wear when I ride with the Patriot Guard Riders. On the same vest are crossed flags, one a POW/MIA and the other is an American Flag. There are also American flag and POW/MIA patches on that vest. An American flag flies in front of my house 24/7/365. Only taken down in inclement weather. I even went to Wally World and bought solar lights that shine on it at night. When it becomes faded and worn it will be given respect and destroyed as per proper flag etiquette. I personally wouldn't live in a subdivision where they told me I couldn't fly my flag.
I've seen in our schools way too many shirts that promote certain heritages and nationalities. But if your child went to school with a shirt promoting his white race or his AMERICAN heritage, he's expelled. Even though I come from Irish and German stock I am an AMERICAN...no hyphen needed. The problem in this country if you object to the hyphen then you are a racist. As I've been watching the news for the past year I have come to arealization. A large part of the black population in this country are as bigotted and racists as anyhone in this country. They use their color to further their cause. Now they use the fact that the president is black to denounce people of other color. They play the race card at every given turn to get their way. Call me a racist because of this comment but just LOOK at the news. I dont' care what channel you turn on. Who did they show at the tea parties and the march on DC? White people. Who did they claim brought weapons to the tea parties? White people....even though the once the camera panned upwards it was a conservative BLACK man with the weapons. WHo is classified as RWE's? Whites who served in the military and beleive in teh constitution.
Are their still racists out there? Sure, a Justice of the Peace down south just proved that. But racists come in all colors.
They sure do. Did you see that clip of that black guy Byington (or something like like), engaged in a debate with FOX's Juan Williams the other night?............He told Juan to get "back on the porch!" If a white guy had said that, it would be on every channel!
And did you see the film clip of Hillary's visit to Russia?
Not only did she NOT get any Soviet cooperation with Iran (surprise-surprise), but the Russians are test firing mach 6 missiles for European use..............and didn't Obama just APPEASE Moscow by cutting OFF missile defense for Poland and Czechoslavakia?.............or was that just on FOX news, and Obama really didn't do that?
The Russians know Obama is as weak as Carter on National defense, and they're gonna milk it for every drop they can.
Bouncer: Excuse me for not being as old as you in regards to flag patches. But every place I have lived the police had the flag, so it goes.
So onto your "shirts": give me an example of the shirts that you've seen these kids wearing. Who was on it, what was on it, etc, etc,... no fibbing either, you were a cop at one time.
And onto your theory of "black" people using their color and the presidents "to further their cause". (What is the cause they are further-ing?)
Just curious,....
And I don't know about you, but I haven't been denounced by the "black" community lately or ever. And I can guarantee you that a "large" percentage of the "black" population "are NOT racist". But believe what you want, it'll only separate you further from other patriotic Americans that ain't you or think like you.
"Get back on the Porch"?? that has nothing to do with race, that has to do with emasculating a dude. Like calling Bazooka, Mary. You two might be a little out of touch with the linguistic / slang. Nothing wrong with that, but it would help to know that sort of thing when chatting with folks. Could get silly if you take offense to something that isn't very offensive. Unless of course a person has issues because of a lack of manliness. Not pointing fingers, just saying.
Why do we need to defend Poland or Czechoslovakia? Are they being picked on by someone? Huh?
Huh? Huh?
Bouncer:
Huh? Now that I've thought about it for a bit I hadn't mentioned any certain race earlier, in regards to flags and kids.
Talk about someone pulling the "race card".
Anyone who would object to our flag being displayed or flown should be deported or shot. Their choice.
-- Posted by bazookaman on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 6:04 AM
Shot. Wow.
Extermination of those not sufficiently patriotic. North Korea, right? Also several examples of that in fairly recent history.
Line 'em up, 'Zook. Line 'em up.
Wow.
So tell me censored you wise ol' sage. Why was it brought up to remove the confederate flag from the flags of several states? Why is it considered racists to wear the confederate flag on a shirt or have a decal on your car? Is the confederate flag a symbol of racism? Was the Civil War fought strictly because of slavery? Or was a large part of it because the states fed up with the federal government limiting states rights and handing down rules telling people how they should love and work? Yes slavery was bad but it was one item on a list of things the southern states objected to. So now certain groups have made the confederate flag a symbol of oppression and racism while people in those southern states feel it's a symbol of their right to be free from federal government control. I persoanlly feel white hoods and burning crosses or a raised fist in a black glove denote racism much more than a flag.
Censored for far to long where I lived in South Central Idaho where kids in the schools were allowed to wear shirts that proclaimed "Brown Pride" but a kid wearing anything with the confederate flag proclaiming his pride at being from the south got him a new shirt or suspended for a day.
I guess it's bad to be white and proud of that fact in this country. Actually from what Obama has been saying it's bad to feel good about being AMERICAN in this country....big ol' bad guys that we are.
Wise sage huh? Why thank you,....?
Confederate flags, every time I've met someone flying one they have been racist. And in general it's these people that fly that flag, are the norm, in recent times. There's too much water under the bridge, as they say, for that flag to mean anything other then racism. They should come up with another flag and move on. The old south is dead and good thing.
Brown pride t-shirts in school? There ain't no kids running around these schools with that. They too, would be sent home just like the other kids. Maybe you've seen these shirts on the news about rallies or protests but not in the schools. Granted things like that happen from time to time but like all other offensive clothing the kid is told to go change the shirt, turn it inside out or cover it up. Your pushing for some drama, that is not common at all in these schools.
"Focus on the negative and that's all you'll see."
Censored 2009'
Learn to read, FNG....I didn't say that anyone who wasn't patriotic should be shot or deported......I SAID anyone who OBJECTED to our flag being displayed or flown should be shot or deported.
You have the right to NOT be patriotic, but you DON'T have the right to try to impair the REST of us who ARE.
You don't want to carry a gun, that's YOUR business, but don't be trying to deny me of MY rights to carry if i so choose.
I HATE cigarette smoke. But people have a right to smoke if they want, and I always have the option to AVOID being in places where people ARE smoking.
America has traditionally been the most giving country in the world. Many have come here to escape the dictatorships of other nations. In many nations, you couldn't get ON a public blog, or stand on a street corner to vent your thoughts................without being stood up against a wall.
Look all around you. Every liberty you enjoy has come at an extremely high price. That's why you can drink or smoke if you desire, and I can fly a flag and own a gun.
I've been a part of that, and if our flag "offends" someone, that same ingrate offends ME.
Like I told somebody a few months back, our nation began as a nation under God and was not founded on socialism. If that's YOUR cup of tea, then get the hell out of here, and go live in Canada or Europe, or someplace that IS the "example" you think we should follow.
But if our flag "offends" you, I wouldn't be too vocal about it around this town...........outside of the anonymous nature of this blogsite.
Shooting people because they offend you is immoral.
Flags don't offend me. Shooting people for objecting to a flag display is EXACTLY THE SAME as muslims' murder and violence over the cartoons of their 'prophet'- Unjustifiable, ever. Except in Iran, and what is turning into Glennbeckistan.
Speaking of being offended when someone objects to the exercise of your constitutional rights- here is an article that illustrates exactly that point:
http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/free-to...
(not approved in Glennbeckistan)
That's good!
The Un-United States of Beckistan.
And instead of stars on the field of blue there could a silhouette of Becks head with the Nike swoosh for his smile. He needs a sponsor to pay the bills don't ya know.
And just to be fair and competitive, other corporate sponsors could add their symbols along the stripes.
And there would be no more taxes on us citizens because the corporations would willingly fund Beckistan.
(warning this could be satire. this entity is not responsible for any side effects of these words)
Never even bothered to read Statesman. I woke up in too good of a mood this morning to do anything else but go out out shoot------------weather permitting.
I'm not even gonna watch the news today!
Interesting article 99% b.s. but still interesting. I really loved this quote from the article
""Me: OK, maybe nothing. But seeing as how the biggest share of the 16,000 yearly gun homicides are committed by family members, most people are about a zillion* times more likely to be shot by a drunked-up, pissed-off spouse than by some home invader. Especially if there's a handy gun in the house because they're so worried about home invaders. Following me? ""
I wonder where in the HE "double toothpicks" he got that line of bull? Want some REAL information to check statistics on? want to know the TRUTH?
I will post the link in here to the Texas Department of Crminal Justice web site where you can read for yourself the last words of those put to death in Texas in recent years, and hey if you want to deal with a reality check most of them have pretty good information on the sex and race of the convicted killers and their victims.
I won't say anything more I will let those that are truly interested in knowing what is happening around them and truly interested in the TRUTH read and learn for themselves.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/execute...
Hey FNG, freedom of speech is one thing, violation of state law is quite another. Just for general info it's been upheld in state supreme court that profanity is not protected speech.
TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 64
RIOT, ROUT, UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY, PRIZE FIGHTING, DISTURBING PEACE
18-6409.Disturbing the peace. (1) Every person who maliciously and willfully disturbs the peace or quiet of any neighborhood, family or person, by loud or unusual noise, or by tumultuous or offensive conduct, or by threatening, traducing, quarreling, challenging to fight or fighting, or fires any gun or pistol, or uses any vulgar, profane or indecent language within the presence or hearing of children, in a loud and boisterous manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(2) Every person who maliciously and willfully disturbs the dignity or reverential nature of any funeral, memorial service, funeral procession, burial ceremony or viewing of a deceased person is guilty of a misdemeanor.
Your right to freedom of speech STOPS where it infringes on others rights to a peacful neighborhood.
Bouncy- Agreed- rights stop where they infringe on another's. Imposing a reasonable limitation, or attempting to, is not cause for someone to be shot. Or for Glenn Beck to start whimpering and crying about the demise of god, flag, and country.
As an aside, it was the US Supremes who upheld written "profanity"-in 1971- and the Idaho stat. you quote has an interesting qualification at the end of 6409(1): "...in a loud or boisterous manner..." 6409(2) is specifically designed to stop Fred Phelps' anti-gay zoo from disrupting servicemembers' funerals.
We should run a test: print one of George's seven favorite words on here. See how long it takes to get deleted. Then, see how long it is before 'Zookers, Kim, or the Glennatollah storm the Mtn Home News, outraged over the "infringement" of a constitutional right.
Obama's preacher man from Chicago is a racist and he is of color. Jackson is a racist and he is of color. Sharpton is a racist and he is of color. In the 80's Jackson made a pretty interesting "slip" and made racist comments regarding white people and Jews. All in the SAME day. All of the above people demand equality for people of color while they make racist comments about people of other colors. AND...let us not forget Mrs. Obama! All perfect examples that racism is alive and well in the USA...and it lives in the White House (no pun intended). IMHO, people of color spend a lot of time telling me how bad I am because I owned slaves. First, I am 38 years old and have NEVER owned a person in my life. Second, neither did my parents, grandparents or great grandparents. I have never made money or a profit from taking something from a person of color either.
Holding the slave issue against me is like me holding the holocaust against the current German population and any country that did not help the people sooner who were being killed and put in camps (not like it was a secret and the genocide did not go on for some time).
Let us be honest here. If I walked into a store in MH with a white shirt on that said "White Pride" it would not be "okay" nor would I probably be greeted at the WalMart entrance with a smile or a "thank you." However...go into that same store with an Obama shirt on that says "about time" (and I have seen them) it is okay. Explain that one to me! These "color issues" are created by their own (all groups) who preach racial equality out of one side of their mouth and racial slurs from the other.
NAACP. Do the "whites" have such a group (and please do not say the ACLU)?
This is interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow/PUS...
And so is this:
http://www.naacp.org/home/index.htm
Or this:
http://www.africanaonline.com/orga_naacp...
Wanting borders closed does not make you a racist. Why should people who have NEVER worked a legal day in the US get SS, health insurance, low income housing, etc.? If you do not pay in...you should not get it. If things keep going the way they are, there will be nothing left (and with the debt what it is---there really is nothing left). How pissed off will YOU be after 45 years of working and SS tells you "sorry, we are out of money and have nothing left to pay you with." I suspect it will not be very funny for many when they sit down and do the math and figure out what they have paid in but will not be paid out. Wanting to preserve what little we may have left (Obamanomics v. reality) is far from racism, IMHO.
As far as the flag issue goes, we live in the US and it would stand to reason that we would fly the "American Flag." Some also fly the "state" flag, POW flags, etc. If people object to the display of the "American Flag" in America/the USA, it is those people (who object) that have the problem. They have NO right to complain. If you go to Mexico you do not expect to see an "American Flag" (unless maybe you are at a US Govt. Bldg. there maybe). If you want to fly a British flag in your yard---have at it. If you want to fly a mexican flag in your yard---have at it. If you want to fly an Irish flag in your yard---have at it (or any other flag for that matter)! But to ban an "American Flag" in the US should be a crime. If you do not like it here, leave. Pretty simple.
Thanks for the research FNG but you missed the point. I was showing you that the person being interviewed in your link was WRONG about being able to drop the F bomb as a freedom of speech anywhere he liked.
Wrong, Bouncy- he CAN drop the F-bomb anywhere he likes, even in front of children, according to the state law you posted:"or uses any vulgar, profane or indecent language within the presence or hearing of children, in a loud and boisterous manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor. So, as long as it is NOT "in a loud or boisterous manner", F bombs away.
The point of the previous article being, of course, that while we may have a right to F bombs at our leisure, reasonable people accept reasonable limitations on dropping those F-bombs. Thus, there are times when the "open carry" folks do a disservice to their cause by overreacting when people object in a reasonable fashion. Same kind of thing- tell someone they cant drop the F bomb in a church- that's reasonable. Tell someone they can't bring a dangerous weapon into your store, and Glenn has a meltdown and cries.
Cantjustwatch:
Texas? Really? You use that state as a proof? Why?
That state is nothing like ours and it doesn't represent the whole USA, statistically. Good try though,...?
Opinionmissy:
So three examples, plus the Obamas, to prove what? Are you another one of those people that believes the whole black community is racist? And I really, seriously, doubt that 'people of color' sit around accusing you of being a slave owner and calling you a bad person. That's friggin ridiculous,...You would seriously have to be throwing turds at people to get them to accuse you of being a slave owner. Your winging it, ain't ya? And please explain to me how the shirt you described is racist? And make your explanation so there is no doubt in my mind that it's racism.
You'll have to excuse me here but you> Opinionmissy and Bouncer are full of it.
So if I was never a slave owner, and I haven't been called one by the black community, then why do I have to pay reparations to them because one of their ancestors farther back than they ever knew was one?
FNG..when have you ever heard someone in public drop an F bomb that wasn't loud and/or boisterous. And honestly..if someone hears it and is offended then the person dropping them is probably gonna get a ticket. Start dropping them in front of my kids like the indiot in the article was doing and there is DEFINATELY gonna be some diturbance of someones peace. THere ys go cnesored....MORE VIOLENCE!
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!
VIVA GLENBECKISTAN!!
Which shirt censored? The rebel flag? the US flag? Or the Brown Pride T-shirt?
Bouncer are you opinionmissy or just self-absorbed? And do you have dollar amounts for these reparations your paying? Do these payments go toward furthering the invisible cause?
I was talking about opinionmissy's shirt.
Viva Beckistan! Immunda Sus!
It's twilight zone time,....
Reparations...............does that mean we get to send England, France, China and the rest of the world a BILL for saving their butts from the Nazis and Japs?
There's a WHOLE BUNCH of countries that owe US..........not to mention the cost (if you can put a price on it) in American lives.
I'm with Bouncer on this reparations crap. If my grandfather bought a '36 Hudson from a guy, didn't pay him the last 50 bucks on it, and THAT guy's grandson tracks ME down 70 years LATER and says "Hey Mike....your family owes MY family 50 dollars.".........know what I'm gonna tell hem?
Speaking of Sharpton (and somebody did), I want to know what church HE and Jesse Jackson preach in, and where do they get their money?
Closing borders doesn't make any of us "racists", with so many factions out there wanting to kill Americans these days, it makes sense! (We won't of course).
If you lived in a bad neighborhood, would you leave your house unlocked?
You guys have got me so paranoid now-days that I even lock the doors I don't own.
censored,
I put the link on here just to provide information to let people see what is happening in our society these days. Since you have chosen to be the self proclaimed expert please tell me where you get your facts
"That state is nothing like ours and it doesn't represent the whole USA, statistically. Good try though,...?"
Texas is nothing like Idaho? Texas doesn't represent the whole USA, statistically? well tell me then expert and all knowing censored tell me anything beyond your OPINION... because so far all I have read over and over again from you on here is your spouting insults and opinions.
I can tell you for a FACT I have traveled all over this United States, and for a FACT I have traveled all over the WORLD. I have visited more countries than I can remember, and for several of them have the passport stamps to prove it.
My opinions and observations come from REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE, not some BS I picked up watching MTV while mommy and daddy paid for it. So until you can tell me anything concrete and factual besides what you "THINK" is going on you might want to consider getting off the couch and learning a thing or two about what is happening in the world around you. Not just spew some crap fed to you via MTV, BET, and Oprah...
In your own words "Good try though"
Really? MTV? BET? Oprah? Give me a break,...that's pop culture. I don't play with pop-culture. Like your opinion that Texas is representative of all crime statistics in America, I don't play that neither. You can't prove that one group of people is more likely to be criminal then another group by one state alone. There are different factors that contribute to criminal behavior then just race. Each region you visit will have one group or another with larger numbers of incarceration. For example, Idaho has a majority of white folks in prison. Why is that? Because Idaho has more more white folks living here. Does that mean that white folks are more inclined to commit crime in America? Nope. Do Idaho statistics mean that all white people are criminals? Nope.
It all follows,...
And mommy and daddy aren't available anymore.
censored,
Directly cut and pasted from the USDOJ web site:
At midyear 2008, there were 4,777 black male inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents being held in state or federal prison and local jails, compared to 1,760 Hispanic male inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents and 727 white male inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents.
In your opinion then, why the HUGE difference amongst the races when it comes to incarceration?
Is it racism? Is it a propensity for certain ethnic groups? is it possibly a combination of those?
according to Wikipedia in 2006 the breakdown by race for the United States was as follows
White 221.3 million
Hispanic or latino 44.3 million
Black or African American 40.9 million
why is it such a small segment of the population represents such a large percentage of incarcerated citizens?
Statistics are used often to determine eligibility for insurance, insurance rates for automobiles, sales, automotive safety, highway expansion, etc. etc. etc.
In your own words again "it all follows...."
Cantjustwatch:
You've flipped some numbers there. Here's the link directly to the arrests page of the DOJ, with all race groups named at the top of the page.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/tab...
It all follows,....
How does ya explain that?
censored,
READ my friend READ
"incarcerated" is NOT the same thing as arrested is it?
That said even the information from the site YOU referenced shows that a race that makes up less than 25% of the populace in the United States has been ARRESTED and charged with 51% of the murders, 56.7% of the robberies, 34.2% of the aggravated assaults... etc. etc.
and again IT ALL FOLLOWS.....
But thank you for playing and providing another reference...
and THAT is how I explain that
In the future you might want to actually READ the references you provide to make whatever point it is you are making BEFORE just cuttin and pasting them.
cantjustwatch:
You have no clue and just can't admit when you wrong.
And I didn't cut and past, that was your trick to skew your facts. I think it's called cherry picking. I posted a link so people could look at the numbers themselves.
And the majority of the arrested are white, so with your logic all us white people are potentially criminal.
Or is it just that white people are arrested more but charged less then the other nationalities? Hum,... that would be something think about.
Otherwise your argument is void where it began.
And you might consider that you may be the very racist your looking for? Just an opinion.
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Here's some real cut and paste for ya from the same page just so people can see the white side of your numbers:
¡In 2008, 69.2 percent of all persons arrested nationwide were white, 28.3 percent were black, and 2.5 percent were other races.
¡Of all juveniles (persons under the age of 18) arrested in 2008, 66.4 percent were white, 30.9 percent were black, and 2.7 percent were other races.
¡Nearly 70 percent (69.7) of all adults (persons aged 18 and over) arrested were white, 27.8 percent were black, and 2.4 percent were other races.
¡White persons were more often arrested for violent crimes than were black persons, accounting for 58.3 percent of those arrests.
¡The number of adults arrested for murder and nonnegligent manslaughter was almost equally divided between black arrestees (49.1 percent) and white arrestees (48.8 percent).
¡Black juveniles accounted for 51.6 percent of juveniles arrested for violent crimes.
¡White juveniles accounted for 64.7 percent of juveniles arrested for property crimes
censored,
Not even going to attempt to explain it to you again, read it over and over til you figure it out for yourself
You can't explain it because you are perpetuating myths all around. Despite the status of arrest/incarceration. The numbers will still show that white citizens are in the majority as prisoners.
Just because you leave out other numbers so your argument will seem true, doesn't make it so.