Banning Our Country, Banning Our GodPosted Monday, October 19, 2009, at 8:05 AM
A Firefighter is ordered to remove his sticker of the US flag from the front of his locker because it violates policy and is suspended for it. (AP)
An Oregon apartment complex is banning its residents from flying American flags, not only from their dwellings but also their vehicles, KATU in Portland reported. The ban also applies to having one on your vehicle. (Fox News) A WalMart in Las Vegas banned it's employees from wearing a sticker of an American Flag on their uniform because it was provided to the employees by a Union. In Longmont, Colorado the principle of Skyline High School banned flags and t-shirts with flags. The actual reason for this was due to a protest demanding amnesty for illegal aliens. Thousands of kids, many of them illegal students benefitting from tax-payer-funded education, walked out of school and pulled any American flag displayed and replaced them with Mexican Flags. This started a big rush for the American-born students to show support for their native country by wearing flags on t-shirts and waving flags on school grounds. This was seen as "intimidation, harassment and blatant bigotry" by school officials so they banned the American flag! Similar bans were then enacted in other schools in Colorado and California. The outcry from the public was so intense in the Colorado legislation that the state threatened to cut off state funding to any school who upheld the ban. (Various articles from 2006-present) One more personal observation about patriotic expressions. While working at the Elmore County Fair office, I got to roam the vendors booths one day. A man had a booth that gave away free copies of the papers with the words of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. He sold many patriotic items while playing patriotic music. His booth was red, white and blue as well as his canopy flag. While I browsed, the man was telling another customer that he wasn't going to be allowed to set up at another city festival (I won't name it) because they felt that his booth wouldn't go along with their theme and feared that it was offensive to people. The flag, ol' Glory offends people? Patriotic music? What the... This practice of banning things is running amok through our legal system, slowly gaining victories that take away our freedoms. This is no longer a country of individual freedoms. No longer can you say, this is a free country so I can adorn myself, my car and my yard with anything that I want. Just this past week, I have heard of numerous cases of people being told to take down their Halloween decorations because someone was offended. Schools have to be very very careful about what decorations that they use. Christmas decorations are now banned from school classrooms. You will never see mangers, angels, the wise men, or a baby Jesus. Even Christmas trees are starting to be called religious expression. From there, it will move on to Christmas decorations being banned from your front lawn too. Speaking of banning things, banning Christmas decorations in businesses is more prevalent now as fear of offending others due to political correctness prompted many business to pass on any decorations. In America, of course, we got bombarded with "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" while most stores banned decorations that could be connected to religion in favor of winter-related decorations. Employees working for Target and Walmart as well as many other department stores were warned not to utter any greetings that could be construed as religious. Christmas is dying and political correctness is alive and growing stronger by the day. So this got me to thinking about how legal it is for employers to have that kind of power. So I did alittle searching on religious law. Since we are living in a "free" nation that was founded on freedom of religion, just how does that protect your right to view Christmas as a religious holiday and therefore your right to utter the words, "Merry Christmas"? According to the discrimination laws, an employer must honor the request of an employee who states that a policy goes against his beliefs. An employer is expected to make reasonal accommendations for that person, such as not making it mandatory to work on the day of worship, such as Sunday for Christians. I read about a case of a company who had a "no excuse" policy stating that all employee were required to work on a Sunday at least once a month. Well, many complained but when an employee told the company that this violated his religious freedom and made it known to the employee that he was a Christian and worshiped on Sunday, then by law it had be honored. That also goes for all religions. Jewish employees can't be forced to work on their Sabbath. The only way that a business is lawful not to accommodate the religion of an employee is if they can prove undue hardship. So how would this apply to the case of an employer's mandate to greet customers with "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"? I believe it collides with the law that states that an employer cannot discriminate against an employee based on their faith. And since many employees celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ, and the fact that Christmas is recognized as a local, state and federal holiday, it would be unlawful to prevent employees from greeting Merry Christmas the customers using the very word that the country uses to name the holiday. So any employee who believes that Christmas is a celebration of Christ and that employee has informed the employer of that belief, is protected from being forced to not say, Merry Christmas". Also, it is completely contradictory for stores to ban the greeting using the word Christmas, when those very stores sell numerous items that use the word and even use that word to have "after Christmas" sales and specials. Christmas is Christmas and announcing a sale for after that holiday yet forbidding that word to be used in a greeting is preposterous. While working at Walmart during the Christmas holidays, we were told not to greet customers with Merry Christmas which I laughed at while joyeously greeting eveyone with those cherished words. I was in lower management and even encouraged others to greet as they wanted to while I was on shift. I didn't have any problems nor did any managers threaten me. Now I come to the law HR 2679, The Public Expression of Religion of 2005. Though it never passed, the reason that I bring it up in connection to the banning of patriotic and religious expression is the fact that it helped me focus on a key issue pertaining to the "small victories" that the ACLU and other anti-anything people gain from frivolous lawsuits. Many people, even judges, have stated that these lawsuits are boring and meaningless; therefore why waste the courts time and taxpayer money? I thought that these little cases that turn into bigger cases, such as the Mojave Desert War Memorial Cross, were meaningful to the ACLU because it will set a precedent that is wide-reaching. Although I may not agree with the ACLU and most of their cases, at least, they were motivated by a mis-guided noble idea of protecting people from something so I could respect that. Instead, what it really boils down to is money. The ACLU takes on the "underdog" fanatic like a hero defining civil liberties when in fact all of these cases bring in a lot of money. Most people do not even know that we, taxpayers have given the ACLU millions of dollars in "attorney fee awards" annually in Establishment Clause lawsuits. These lawsuits are ones that ban religious symbols such as the Ten Commandments or crosses at veteran memorials, like the cross in the Mojave Desert. WE taxpayer's who don't support these cases are in fact funding thse who want to ban it or have it torn down. My money has paid the ACLU to cause a harmless white pipe cross to be boxed up. What happens is that the ACLU looks for cases that they can take to court which may be an argument of the separation of church and state. The judges will then give the ACLU "attorney fee awards" to compensate them. The bill HR 2678 would have stopped that practice. Unfortunately, HR 2679 never passed Senate and died. Today, it has been reborn as HR 1300 which was introduced Mar. 4, 2009. Congressman Forbes cosponsored H.R. 1300, the Public Expression of Religion Act (PERA).The bill would prohibit activist groups like the ACLU from recovering legal fees when they successfully sue localities for violation of the Establishment Clause. Currently, many cities and towns are being coerced into settling claims, which are oftentimes unconstitutional, out of fear of huge monetary losses. PERA would modify the law so each side pays its attorney fees. If this bill passes, then the ACLU will no longer receive millions for these "little" cases" of the Establishment clause and therefore, may think twice about even bringing it to court. Others will no longer just settle out of court for fear of having to pay the ACLU's fees. It equals the playing field. If the ACLU strongly thinks that someone has violated that separation of church and state, then they will enter the courtroom based on the principle of the matter and not for the money. 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The American Criminal Liberties Union was founded in 1920 by a pair of communists, Roger Baldwin and William Foster.
If ANYTHING in America needs to be "banned", it is THESE degenerates.
Just stand on your principles, Kim.
I make allowannces for NOBODY. You only have the fights you are willing to fight for.
I have an anti-Obama sticker on my car, and I have as much right to bash that thief, as the libs do to bash Palin.
We have Halloween decorations in front of our house, mainly for our grand daughters when they come over. Don't like it? Drive down some other street.
I don't fly flags in our front yard, but if I ever DID decide to fly an American flag, a "Don't Tread On Me" flag, a Marine Corps flag or a CONFEDERATE flag, I'll DO IT!.............if it "offends" someone, they're free to move, and the first A-hole from city hall who comes to the door complaining about it, will get tossed off the porch. I'm makin' the payments on this place.
There are a hell of a lot of things that "offend" ME. People who are here for the milk and honey, but won't bother to learn our language-------and big store chains who cater to them.
They can march in the big cities with Mexican flags, and even run one up a post office flagpole in California, but some old guy in the Georgia backwoods can't fly a lone Confederate flag in his own backyard. He's looked upon as some kind of "Klansman"......yet it's perfectly ok for an "American NAZI Party" or "communist party" to exist in this country. That's "different" somehow. Well..............that offends ME.
I saw a dude walking around Wally World the other day wearing a Barack Obama T-shirt. His priviledge. I said nothing and went about my business. When I'M up there wearing a Reagan T-shirt, I expect the same respect.
I have a Concealed Permit and "pack heat", sometimes I carry openly........because I CAN. That bother you? Move to Cuba.
I have as much right to be rude to a door-to-door salesman or telemarketer, as THEY have to bother me in the first place.
The Christmas cards we send out say "Merry Christmas"............not "season's greetings or happy holidays............if that "offends" you, let us know and we'll take you off our list and save some postage next year.
If you don't believe in God, that's YOUR business. I DO, and that's MINE. We'll do our best not to "offend" each other in that area.
If you assume that hunting is wrong, then I'll assume I won't see you having a steak somewhere.
I drive old cars because I LIKE them, and because I've never seen the logic in going into debt every 3 years for plastic and fiberglass. So don't lecture me about air pollution as you drag on your Marlboro.
Indoctrination "offends" me. If the government or anyone else wants to get up in my face and push try pushing their propanganda............go for it, baby.......go for it. My thumb will be on the hammer while I'm smiling back. But you keep your dirty filthy hands off my grandkids! They go to school to learn "A B C"......not "mmmm-mmmm-mmmm."
If you wanna smoke pot, do drugs, etc. That's your business. I'm very fair about things like that, and wouldn't report you to anybody if you lived right next door. But you will cease to exist if I ever catch you trying to "do business" around a schoolyard.
I said all that to say this: I am an American. I don't know what every reader out there is, but I am an American. I believe in God, our country (as our founders set it up), and our Constitution. I don't screw with people, and I won't tolerate anybody screwing with me or anybody in my family.
I'll meet anybody halfway. You wanna get along, fine. Wanna play "hardball"?......you came to the right place there too, pal.
Kim..............every concern you addressed is real. What needs to be MORE real, though, is that we no longer "accept" it as "just the way things are."
Instead of saying "that's unfair", we need to collectively say "Screw YOU bud.....I ain't doin' it!"
The bureaucrats are not accustomed to being rocked back on their heels. Like the old "block bullies" of the old days, those who "think" they have all this "power", only pick on those they think are easy marks. Until we start saying NO, they'll always think they have that eternal "green light" to press for more and more.
We DO OUTNUMBER these jerks...........and by a substantial margin. As soon as everybody figures out who OWNS this country, we'll take it away from the crooks.
PS..........It isn't CHINA that owns it, either. (some might THINK on financial terms). As far as I'm concerned, that "debt" is null and void. The politicians have been "selling" what has never belonged to them in the first place.
We all have our opinions on issues, you and I, Bouncer, Twil, Censored, Opinion Missy, Eagle Eye, Old Guy, McMarylin, etc; but even with ALL of our differences, I don't believe there's a blogger out here who would sell honest folks out, just to line their own pockets. I really don't.
Multiply that by the population of 50 states, and with a few exceptions, the American people want things put right.
WE own this country, and it's been long overdue to remind those criminals in D.C. who the BOSS is here, and WHO works for WHO.
In the meantime, does my bumper sticker "offend" anybody??????? TOUGH, ain't it!
Someone's been watching ol glenn beck whimper, cry and rant again... hopefully, he'll get back on his meds.
I think that this "epidemic" that is spoke of here is more isolated than it seems. I dont see millions of people calling the store manager at Wal-Mart to complain about a decoration. The truth is that most likely a few virulent, chronic complainers made a fuss. Those few do not represent the whole.
You're probably right about that Twil. I've only had personal run-ins with TWO people here in Mountain Home.
But it only took ONE lawyer passing through Boise, to raise enough hell to get that 10 Commandment removed.
Yeah, FNG0312.....Beck does get a little wound up, because he's passionate about not giving the country away to socialists! Imagine.....someone with the gall to defend our Constitution THESE days.
Problem for the liberals though, is that like him or not, he's been RIGHT so far, and they can't stand it.
A good portion of Obama's congress doesn't support him anymore, and more people are tuning in to FOX now, to get their news, and the libs can't stand that either.
The folks who NEED to "get back on their meds", are the ones who not only voted this regime into power, but CONTINUE to support it after all we've seen so far.
Sorry bazooka, but I need to disagree with your statement about beck being passionate. Martin Luther King was passionate, beck is more manic then anything else. Put a video of King next to a video of Beck and you'll see the difference.
One actually feels and believes what he says, and the other 'acts'. One of them believed in real social justice, the other is an entertainer.
Take it how you will, but Beck is just a salesman.
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"A Firefighter is ordered to remove his sticker of the US flag from the front of his locker because it violates policy and is suspended for it. (AP)
An Oregon apartment complex is banning its residents from flying American flags, not only from their dwellings but also their vehicles, KATU in Portland reported. The ban also applies to having one on your vehicle. (Fox News)
A WalMart in Las Vegas banned it's employees from wearing a sticker of an American Flag on their uniform because it was provided to the employees by a Union."
Kim: What else was going on in these stories that caused removal of flags? Was there other statements provided with these flags that offended someone because these 'statements' went against what the flag stands for or what some people think they stand for?
Just curious??
Censored, good questions and here are the answers: James Krapf, 31, an 11-year veteran of the department, disobeyed an order to clear decorations from the outside of his locker, a policy established in August in response to a cartoon that some found offensive. Krapf took down two other stickers from his locker Thursday but refused to remove a small American flag in the upper left corner. He was sent home.
In ALBANY, Ore. - At the Oaks Apartments in Albany, the management can fly their own flag advertising one and two bedroom apartments - but residents have been told they can't fly any flags at all. By Melica Johnson KATU News and KATU.com
One guy has a flag on his motorcycle honoring his son who just left to go back to Iraq. He was told to remove it or face eviction. Another apartment occupant has flown a flag on her car for 11 years and she was told to remove it. When she asked why the manager said, "someone might get offended."
The Walmart case was already explained. The employee wore the flag on their badges. The stickers were just the flag and nothing else, however the reason that Walmart banned it was the fact that a union representative handed it out.
In all three cases, there were no statements along with the flags.
never thought i live to see the loss of our freedoms,the last twenty five years or so.i,m old enough to rememberjust how precious freedom was back in the fifties and sixties but i know the freedoms that kim talks about in her article will not be the last that we lose unite america or bow your heads.!!!!!!!!
This shouldn't even be an issue. the fact that it IS. tells me it's time to hang a flag HERE, and put a sticker on each of my cars............and BAIT one of these pinkos!
Good to see you Tolkien. I think that what is happening in our country today is especially hard on those people who have lived in those glory days of the 50's. The 60's was the beginning of the unraveling but we never would have thought that we'd come this far. And Bazooka, always good to see you. Thanks for the great comments that you post. God bless America. Go watch Red skelton. Beau posted it on my flags blog. It was truly inspirational. Time: 6:30am)
Okay, but the fire-department was policy that all the firemen had to obey and it was not targeting American Flags. 'Nothing' was supposed to be on the outside of the lockers. The inside of the lockers could be full of stickers and other things.
Albany, Oregon: It was ALL flags that were banned on the property. (It was not flag specific) Not too mention the fact that it is (private property) and it is up to the owner what can and cannot be placed on the property. But this case was already resolved.
And Walmart: Lovely walmart, this happened right after 9/11 and like you say it was simply that walmart is anti-union/anti-worker that it happened.But makes you think about where their loyalties are?Again it was private property and the issue was resolved.
You leave info out of the story and you can make stolen barbie dolls into bank-robbers and terrorist.
And I went through privately run media/locally owned news for each of these. Not stations and papers affiliated with media corps or right/left alliances.
Censored, have you read beck's book "Common Sense?" It was titled correctly, because it definitely makes some. I don't quite agree with EVERYTHING he says, though. He is adamant about taking our country back through peaceful protest, but I think he's wrong on that.
I think it IS going to take a revolution. George Washington didn't use his "freedom of speech" to TALK the British into getting out of our lives.
Martin Luther King was a good man. He did a lot of things for a lot of people, and was sincere about his dream of everybody getting along. I'd like to think if he were alive today, he too would know that Obama is being looked at NOT by the "color of his skin, but by the content of his character."
As you may well summize, I mingle with a HEAVILY right wing crowd, but I'm proud to say that of all the people I'm any kind of close with, I only know ONE..............ONE, who doesn't like Obama because he's black. And there's always unfortunately going to be one in EVERY crowd. Like gravel nicks on new a new paint job, you "can't get away from it."
Glenn Beck's lttle tirades and mannerisms are personality traits. I never personally cared for George Carlin, but did you ever read some of the things he wrote before he died?.........in your face and right on the money.
The world has become "lawsuit-driven" these days. People will sue other people over ANYTHING, that looks like a quick easy way to get rich, and we're all getting pretty sensitive now.
If the info Beck has been giving America on national television was a lie, I would think there'd be "slander lawsuits" hitting him from every direction. Sharpton is suing Limbaugh......ACORN is suing those two film makers.
But nobody is coming BACK on Beck with anything. He even has a red phone set up, with a private phone number for the White House's exclusive use on the program daily...............hasn't rang yet.
NOBODY is going to be slandered on national television and sit back & do nothing about it..............unless it's TRUE and they CAN'T debate it!
Beyond his antics, Beck has hammered the "czars", this cabinet, several members of Capitol Hill on BOTH sides, and Obama himself, yet NOBODY is crawling out from under their desk to "call him to task on any of it."
Could it be that there's something TO this, and they're all just hoping viewers will think Beck's a nut and not listen to him?
If that's what they're thinking, the tea parties and townhalls seem to be proof that it isn't working! Beck himself is gathering big crowds and he's selling an awful lot of books.
So, he's either ONTO those crooks in D.C., or there's a whole lot of "crazy people" just like HIM, marching out there.
One or the other.
I know THIS though........if it was ME that was being lied about to the public......and it WAS a lie, I wouldn't just go hide someplace and hope he went away. I'd be jumping down his throat with both feet.
But none of them ARE. Why?
Just curious.
If it was LIES, they'd be SUEING his butt, and they'd have a RIGHT to!
Again, like George Carlin, Beck is an entertainer. And yes I believe that most of his followers are just as faulty in the head as he is. There's protest, then there is mania and that is Becks M.O., mania and hysterics.
But that is just my opinion and it's been my opinion since beck and limbaugh lurched onto the scene.
But hey, it's America, so if people want to be crazy and irrational more power to them.
"But hey, it's America, so if people want to be crazy and irrational more power to them."
I could not agree more. Those two that you mentioned are motivated by rational self-interest just like everyone else. They know that if they toned down their act, no one would listen to their shows nor buy their books.
Hey censored, Go buy Becks' new book, Arguing with idiots. You might be offended but the man knows his facts. It's amazing how much spin is out there on the left. Funny thing is he finds the spin and puts his finger on it and shows the TRUTH. You know..the thing that your parents always told you to tell. Show me ONE thing...just ONE that he has lied about. Show me where he has lied about the things Obama and his goons are doing? I rather enjoy his passion. If you had read ANY of his books you would find that his passion is deeper than your TV screen. He truly believes in what he is saying. As for Rush, how could the man be saying what he does just for entertainment? He has taken more hits than President Bush by the left wing media over his comments and stance..and has been proven to be right more often than he is wrong. Beck and Rush have invited left wingers over and over again to come on their shows. Like Mike said he has a phone set up just for the white house. Do they take the offer and come on to defend their policies and statements...hell no. Why? Because they KNOW they don't stand a chance against some one armed with the truth and FACTS. Just look at the damage control Obama has done over the health care plan. Look at how often he and his cronies BLAST Fox News. Why? Because when you are out of arguments to defend your lies then it's time to attack.
Too bad Obama can't take his attack philosophy and apply it to Afghanistan. Just heard he's gonna hold off on his decision to send more troops to Afghanistan until AFTER the November elections....wow..now our men and women dying in Iraq and Afghanistan are nothing more than pawns for political gain. Let's hope AMERICANS see it for what it is and start the avalanch of liberals getting tossed out on their.....
Obama has never seen combat (except maybe in the streets of Chicago), so the troops can get outnumbered and OVERRUN, as far as HE's concerned.
Obama is gonna do what's best for OBAMA.
To be fair though, we've GOT to put a lot of this on Bush. If he would have gone after Bin Laden to BEGIN with, instead of dilly-dallying in Iraq, and showed some TRUE REPUBLICAN GUTS (turn that desert into a glowing parking lot, instead of creating another Vietnam), Obama wouldn't be fumbling around with this, either......because we wouldn't BE there.
In fact, it was mostly the war, that cost our side the election last year.
On Obama's part, though,....he and Biden have had the opportunity to watch this fiasco over the past 8 years. They made a big issue of the war and they SHOULD have. Ok..........they've got the White House, the Senate and the House. Let's do SOMETHING! They've had YEARS to study, critique, and come up with "gameplans" while not being diverted to 20 other issues like Bush was.
If ya got time for "date nights" and "Denmark trips", you shouldn't have to be LEANED ON to pick up the phone and talk to your friggin' field commanders. Our troops apparently don't have the same priority his social programs do.
When Patton and MacArthur needed more men and equipment, FDR saw to it they GOT them. In Vietnam, even LBJ (not one of our better leaders) had a full scale model of the Khe Sanh area and DEMANDED to be briefed daily--------he talked frequently to Westmoreland and what we needed, was flown in to us.
We weren't put "on hold"-----------"we'll get back to you guys---------check's in the mail"...........
Johnson didn't do a lot of things right either, but he at least knew where his priorities were.
We lost Vietnam because the White House lacked the guts to do what was needed. We're losing this one for the same reason. We've learned NOTHING. Nothing.
Agreed wholeheartedly, Bouncer.............we need to get RID of the liberals.......AND there are some "would-be Republicans" that need to go out the same door as well. Our side isn't all that clean either anymore, I'm ashamed to say.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...
And another bit of Beck's b.s.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/cash-fo...
Thank you Twilcox at least I've written one thing that can be agreed with. I appreciate it. Is self-interest a cause of America's problems or the effect, I wonder?
Bouncer: Was that a veiled insult towards me? Ya know when you mentioned the name of Becks book? Just curious? And again Beck is not passionate, he lacks the internal conscience to be classified thus. As stated earlier by someone wiser than me, his motives are 'self-interest' not social awareness. And why should anyone respond to Becks discourse that's like responding to the school bully that goes around calling people names. If you respond he'll use it against you to sit himself higher on his fake thrown and fake strength.
Bazooka: War strategy is B.S. we just need to get out and let those people have their civil war so they can evolve. Pull the women and children to the side, feed and protect them. But let fighters carry out their war to it's end without our people getting shot. Screw the oil!
Oh yeah, thank you Dave for the new site, new to me. It's very well rounded, all sides taken to task.
Umm Censored, If I were to insult you there would be no veil. As for BS, who would protect and feed the women and children while this war raged? Where would this food come from while armies fought? Who would deliver and distribute this food? Would it be like Somalia?
We need to finish the job we told the Afghan people we would.
As for Beck, so you know him personally? Met Him? Had a beer with him? Have you read any of his books? Listened to him speak outside of what you hear on TV? Admit it censored. You don't like him because he's been RIGHT. He calls out your pathetic president and his gang of criminals and shines the light on the cockroaches. He has no problem standing up for what he beleives in. He finds facts to attack the lies told by your president and uses his forum to bring them to the public to decide. Van Jones, ACORN, when the "main" stream media REFUSED to run these stories, Beck probed them and found the truth. Look what has happened....ACORN is finished, Van Jones fired. Explain that to me censored. Explain to me why tens of thousands of people showed up on DC for a huge tea party. A tea party that Beck promoted on his radio and TV shows. Maybe it was because these people have seen the truth and believe that THEY actually can have a say. But wait...no...these people are RWE's and racists. These people are gun toting, bible reading hillbillies that have no clue that the government is here to help. Hmmm..you're right censored...Bazooka and I have been wrong.
We will all wake up tomorrow as subjects! NOT citizens!
Dave, Hate to tell you this but the links you used to support the fact that Beck is wrong are wrong themselves. They use the words Beck used against what was in the poll to back that fact. The fact that ANY doctor would even CONSIDER leaving his practice because of this new Obama Care should scare the hell out of you. THey then use ANOTHER pol to prove that 63% of doctors THEY polled would support health care reform. It's all rhetoric. Most doctors support health care reform that also has tort malpractice reform included.
I can make up a poll that would show that people like censored would vote for Mickey Mouse just by wording the questions to elicit the responses I wanted.
As for the second link. Beck was right..although he may have overstated it. If you logged onto that website and clicked the "I agree" button, your computer and all it's files would have been subject to inspection by the federal government. That's what the disclaimer actually said.
"Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."
This is something the Obama administration put in. The up side is the Supreme Court has ruled that private computers...even those of your local car dealer are just that...PRIVATE. They would actually need a warrant to search and sieze your computer and it's files. BUT we are only a couple of justices from possibly having THAT reversed.
In a debate, people like strong personalities regardless of how right or wrong they are. Being balanced, logical infers a level of doubt in one's position. People don't want to hear doubt or indecision. Beck, Savage, Rush, etc. know this. For their own best interests, they push the envelope. Its not that hard to understand.
All passions and personal opinions aside.........I still maintain that if it WASN'T true, there'd be lawsuits.
I agree with Censored as so far as to say we SHOULDN'T be in Afghanistan or Iraq. If we lacked the go-nads to slam those pukes and be DONE with it............we don't need to be wasting the lives of our troops for NOTHING, like we did in Vietnam.
Bush went after the wrong people, and Obama's afraid to go after ANYBODY..
But if we DO "stay the course" in Afghanistan, we need to win it. Win it quickly and SO CONVINCINGLY, no one else will THINK about screwing with us again. We've got the equipment and the technology to END this in a matter of hours.
We just don't have the testosterone in the White House, and HAVEN'T for about 21 years now.
We appease the Russians while THEY are testing new missiles like the North Koreans and the Iranians. Obama is weak. Our adversaries KNOW it. They've seen it before with the "peanut farmer."
They'll be shooting missiles at US next, and Obama will still be trying to get "economic sanctions" through our "good friends" in the U.N.
I'm still looking for just a GLIMPSE of all this "transparency" we were promised during the campaign.............as they CONTINUE to make deals behind closed doors.
Anybody seen it? Does anybody out there actually KNOW what is coming out of Congress? Most of THEM don't!
Yeah! What he said! Dec 22, 2009. The end of America.
And America would feed and protect them along with all the other nations of the world. Such happines.
It's tea time,....
November 4, 2008
Oh, right sorry bazooka.
Bouncer: Why don't you try reading some of this guys work. He's more sensible then the guy you profess tells the truth. And he has been an American citizen much longer then Beck. There be the wise sage.
"There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party...and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt--until recently... and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties." -Gore Vidal-
Gore Vidal? You came after me with Gore Vidal? Left wing, liberal, gay, cousin to Jimmy Carter, Gore Vidal? Yeah, THAT will make me admit my faults and turn over a new leaf.
Apparently you haven't read a damn thing I've written but I'm pretty sure I won't care for much this man has to say. And anyone who calls a democrat "cuter, prettier" wasn't around to see Hillary.
Sorry censored, I tend to put myself to sleep at night reading things that stimulate my mind and make me think about the world and what has to be done to fix the direction it's headed.
Bouncer:
And your answer will always be violence. Very stimulating indeed. I think that if God himself came down and slapped you in the face you wouldn't change. You'd call him an illegal alien terrorist and start shooting.
So how long did you read about Gore Vidal?
And whats wrong with being gay?
I thought you said sometime ago that you had a sister that was gay. And a relative killed by Canadian health-care. And family victimized by the 'Black Community" in their attempt to "further their cause". I'm beginning to doubt your families history.
And speaking of, you never did fill me in on exactly what 'the cause' is that they, the Black community, may or may not be furthering?
Give a guy a heads up here. I might want to turn paranoid and without the proper conspiracies I'll have a hard time getting fearful.
Dirty liberals trying to pull one over on censored. Those right-wing democrats have got some nerve.
And why hasn't anyone of you so called patriots spit venom at WalMart for Banning the flag when the employees began wearing them after 9/11?
Kinda got double standards on that right? You'll attack individuals but not big business.
Deflect the question and run to other topics,....
Didn't know about that one. MY beef with Wally World, is that they've pretty much opened an economic door to the Chinese. They SELL flags, poles and othe "patrioic stuff."
I really don't know, unless it's some kind of uniform code. i worked for the BLM after I retired from the military, and they wouldn't let me wear my Ross Perot pin on my BLM jacket during the '92 campaign, because it was a federal job, although any bumper stickers on my car would be fine.
In a "right-to-work" state, I guess you either go with the "boss' while on duty, or go out the door. PERSONALLY, if I desired to wear an AMERICAN FLAG pin on a work shirt, and somebody told me I couldn't, I'd tell him where he could stuff his job.
We didn't wear flags even on active duty, because we were in prescribed uniforms. WalMart is the same-----sort of--------all the employess have to wear blue shirts, tan pants, and the only pins they can wear are the "nerit pins' they earn through the company.
About 3 years ago, I spotted some khaki-colored hats up there (obviously made in China) that had red stars with a closely stitched gold border around them. Purely a communist symbol. I jumped on the manager about that AND called the main office in Bentonville Arkansas.
The hats disappeared.
About TWO years ago, One of their "goody-two-shoes" customer service managers spotted the tip of one of my holsters "peeking out" below my jacket. To most people, it looks like nothing more than a cell phone carrier. She asked me if it was a cell phone phone or a gun. I don't lie to people, so I told her, and she said I couldn't wear it in there.
I have a state-issued concealed, and can wear it anywhere but an airport, a courthouse, a bank or a school. After another call to Bentonville, we straightened that out too.------------we were talking about "offending people" earlier in one of the blogs------------Walmart understands money and profit, if nothing else, and they don't want to offend the buing public. Especially sportsmen in an IDAHO store.
I could LEGALLY carry it openly in the store, and I've see a couple of guys do that. I don't, though, out of consideration to all of town that shops up there. A lot of people are afraid of guns.......no need to spook anybody. To me, it's a self-induced "ok comprimise." My 2nd Amendment rights aren't being tampered with, and shoppers don't have to be startled at the sight of one of those "wicked, nasty, dirty old HANDGUNS, that are so inherently EVIL, they'll virtually jump up off a table and hust somebody by themselves."
It's a win-win, really. And for WallyWorld as well. If I was up there late one late and some clown stuck a knife in a cashier's face demanding money................or a woman was being assaulted out in that dark parking lot, kidnapped and raped............and that HAS happened...........
Back to the flag issue, I think if you work for an organiztion that requires uniforms of some kind, you have to either go along with that, or quit. They probably figure that it wouldn't stop with the flag.....pretty soon everybody would look like General Patton, and they'd be walking around looking like Christmas trees after awhile.
hell, Obama wouldn't even WEAR a lapel pin during the campaign or face the flag during ceremonies. That was all caught on film.
He does NOW............just like he talks to his GENERALS now............but it's taken prodding from those who want to stay in power by getting him re-elected if possible.
Not attacking big businesses? I boycott businesses that have communist ties, and give money to anti-Constitutional causes.............and I spread that same word to others.
That's why I will never belong to the AARP, have anything to do with Budweiser, and you'll never see my car parked in front of a Wendy's.
It's illegal to shoot the dirtbags, but you can certainly hit 'em in the wallet!
There's a difference I think, between working for a company with rules that have to be followed if you CHOOSE to work there..........and some bureaucrat coming up to your PERSONAL abode and complaining about your flag that "offends him"
In a business, it's THEIR turf. Follow the regs, leave or boycott if you like.
When it's YOUR house or YOUR bumper, you should be free to take that anyway you like, and respond accordingly.
Bazooka:
Do you still shop at wally world?
Just wondering, because a boat load of the products sold at wally world are made in China.(like you mentioned) And last I heard China was a Commie Country.
I'm glad your up late at night protecting the Wal-Mart employees. That's very nice of you. Your kinda like John Wayne but more huggable.
I agree, I agree,....
If it was LIES, they'd be SUEING his butt, and they'd have a RIGHT to!
-- Posted by bazookaman on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 7:16 AM
If I was a politician, I wouldn't waste my spirit, time, energy or finances suing radio and television hosts. Glenn Beck is likely very well advised by a legal department and he knows where the line is. He's about half a bubble off plumb, and he appears frightened; too frightened to be any sort of leader. Picturing Glenn Beck as a soldier under fire, in my mind's eye, I see him as undisciplined and fratricidal.
And speaking of China, this story falls in line with the use of DOT's network.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33439397
The governments computer networks are constantly being probed for weaknesses. Those government employees responsible for the security of their systems take their jobs seriously. Perhaps more seriously than a Wal-Mart employee takes the security of their store.
Whether you're a guest in someones home or a guest on a vulnerable computer network supported by the taxes you pay, you're rightly expected to behave your damned self. If you exhibit behavior that is a threat, either by threatening your host with your gun in your hosts own home, (or by taking advantage of your permitted use of a computer network in order to disrupt the computer network through an engineered attack), your host, (or in the case of the DOT website, the government) has the responsibility to protect their (our) interests.
Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both come out dirty, and the pig likes it.
Censored, there ya go again spinning everything all around. My sis is gay and NONE of your business. I love her, she's my family. Gore Vidal ISN'T. The things I listed are all reasons I wouldn't read him. Just the left wing liberal that he is would be enough.
Right now I'm reading Beck's new book and Darkly Dreaming Dexter. About a serial killer that only kills people like murderers amd child rapists. My kinda guy. After that I'll probably start on my Clancy collection again or WEB Griffin. Both WONDERFUL authors.
Hey Bazooka, keep following the law and carry your weapon anywhere you like.
As for Walmart, I spit venom EVERY DAY! Problem is until something better comes along it's pretty much all we have. I prefer to travel to Boise and shop. I worked for 7 years for KMart and never set foot in our local Walmart until the KMart was forced to close because of mis-management by the CEO and his co-horts, some of who were former walmart management.
Hey Dave, how about Pelosi? How far "off plumb" is she? Or Howard Dean? Bill Maher? Whoopi Goldberg? Hell most of the women on the View Period? Pot meet kettle.
OHHH Yeah..before I forget...my wife's grandmother wasn't killed by socialst medicine in Canada...her needs for proper medical treatment were ignored by the beraeucrats until she died. Big difference. One suggests that is might have been humane. The other suggests neglect.
Sure, Sure. Bouncer, your full of it.
How bout read some Cormac McCarther he wrote No Country for Old Men, The Road and some old west stuff. Change out the authors, spice up your reading, ya know. And I believe this guy is straight, so he's cool by your standards.
And gay, is gay, is family.
You should stop the hate,... it'll eat away your soul until there's nothing left but a bitter husk.
It kind of stinks that large stores show up and destroy local, home grown business. I miss the olden days.
Yeah, I shop at Wally when I don't want to fight "1A and 2C" traffic in Boise.
I buy ammo up there too, when it's available. You might have something there though, I'd better check that last box of Remingtons and make sure it didn't come out of Hong Kong.
Unfortunately, it's hard to find anything in ANY store that is still made HERE, with so much industry being shipped overseas to avoid the heavy taxes put forth by the feds.
My Oldsmobile and my wife's DeSoto are both American made------------but they were both built in 1956
Incidently, just so everybody out there knows.............the government never gave anybody ANYTHING it didn't take from someone else first..............just something to ponder. And a government big enough to give you anything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. (something else to ponder), before we get to thinking that it's ok to let them "run everything."
Hey.....I'm with you on that small town thing, Censored. I first came to Mountain Home in '72, and remember this town for the little "Mayberry" it actually was. It SUCKS today, by comparison. Thought about moving to Tollgate but somebody beat me to it!
I remember McNeal's "Joe-B-Q", 3G's out by the base, Safeway, R&R Hobby Shop, Gem State Sporting Goods, Western Auto Airway Service (the old Mobilgas station.........................and at Exit 74, there was a small cafe called "The Beacon", that had a little tower built on the roof, on the west side of the freeway. Somebody's turned it into a private residence now.
I know exactly where you're coming from, Censored. This USED to be a nice little town. I miss it too.
I remember some of those businesses, not all of them though. I am quite a bit younger mind you. My favorite joint was the old music store that was downtown, that you could find odd-ball music that wasn't standard issue radio junk. Like some Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Lead Belly and other delights. Now I gotta go to downtown Boise to get the good stuff. But there are a lot of pretty girls and strange people to talk to in Boise so it's cool.
That was a civil dialogue between us. Things are getting out of control.
Yeah......spooky, ain't it?
Are you talking about that little store on the corner, just across from what used to be the Hub?
I miss that too, because now I have to drive to Boise also, whenever I need strings.
Thats the one.
Palmer's Music store?
Yeah, Palmer's. You've got a good memory MsMarylin. I've got to go up to Guitar Center these days..............but at least it's right off the freeway.