Is He or Isn't He?Posted Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 10:36 AM
Is Barack Obama a U.S. Citizen or not? There have been a few photos on various websites of what is supposed to be his "birth certificate."
But only a few days ago, U. S. Ambassador Alan Keyes filed a lawsuit to prevent California from certifying their electors until this issue is resolved. Former Deputy Attorney General Phil Berg is handling the case and a couple of interesting things have emerged that the media, fearing a HUGE setback and potential nationwide riot is trying to cover. According to Berg, he has a statement from Obama's paternal grandmother that she was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born on August 4, 1961..............howsoever........ When the hospital was subpoena'd about this, Obama himself refused to signed ANY consent for that hospital to release any records. He THEN hired three law firms to defend himself with. Why? I guess my question would be....if he was never born there, what would it matter to HIM what "records were released? (I'm sure Ex-Intern will be able to straighten me out on this. I hope so, because I'm sure confused). I also read where he went to school in Indonesia in 1967 with both a change of name AND CITIZENSHIP as required, and later in life travelled in a couple of countries that no U.S. citizens were allowed to travel in, but he had the passports to do it with. Now...........I don't know what's true and what isn't. I wasn't there. Neither were any of you out there..........but I DO know that if Obama wasn't so elusive and defensive about this..........his "birth origin" would have been laid to rest a long time ago. Of particular interest to ME, is that refusal to sign that "consent of release"............You come home early from work, go to hang your coat in the closet, and before you can open it all the way, your "other half", let's say, slams the door shut again and tells you "NO, you can't go in there!!" Why not? The newsmedia naturally, has NEVER pressed this, because Obama's been "their candidate" from day one.....and if there IS something to this, and it ever gets OUT INTO THE OPEN.........can you imagine the embarrassment? The scandal.......the DIVISION and riots in America.....? But if there IS something to it....the American people have the right to know.............don't we? Or do we just bow gracefully to the "SS" because Hehr Goebbels says "Vee are to do vhat vee are tolt!" McCain never made an issue of it, because he himself was questioned about his own birth in the Panama Canal zone...............just as he couldn't portray Obama as an antigunner, when he HIMSELF tried to outlaw gunshows in Arizona....was almost recalled for it, and he had to figure Obama knew about that and would retaliate...........the gun issue never came up in the debates, as you might recall. But as that lawsuit was filed only FIVE days ago, by a man who has nothing to gain from it...........and a BLACK man at that......I have to believe he wouldn't risk his reputation and political career unless there was some degree of substance behind it. (One of the reasons I personnally supported Mr. Keyes in 2000, is what we're seeing right now............a strict adherance to our Constitution.) Alan Keyes should have been the first black President of the United States; NOT this clown we're being stuck with. And that's another thing...........I'm sick of all this hyphenated garbage......AFRO-American, Asian-American, Latin-American...............that's B.S.!! We're either AMERICANS or we're NOT. A Hyphen in a word use to divide........... All I'm trying to find out here, is if Obama is an AMERICAN. If he is, let him legally verify that, as any OTHER President-elect has to do. Then leave the guy alone about it. If he ISN'T..........he GOES! This campaign has been rigged from the start, and I want to know why..........WHY...........if there's nothing in that hospital in Kenya he'd be worried about..........why not just say "Go for it" and SIGN the release form? There's nothing there for anyone to find, right? And it would put the issue to rest. The Presidency is a VERY public office, no place for closet skeletons, and this is a BIGGIE! Why would you care what records are in a Kenyan hospital, and why THREE law firms to defend you? Against what? One would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to NOT find this just a teeny bit suspicious. Any thoughts?................Surely, Ex-Intern or Jacknife have something to say about it. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Hal Turner is a racist, but the guy is also a bloodhound when it comes to finding compelling political stories. While I cannot condone his racial bent, I check his site frequently for news that never gets reported on MSM.
The things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.
It has been stated that "we" did not vote for number 1 but really voted for number 2. It may come true yet. Interesting story this deal is. Guess the vett crew was not so good if this proves to be true. What a mess!! It will probably all be hushed or where the records are stored will burn to the ground. The truth on this will probably never see the light of day.
I think you're right, Missy. But I'd sure like to know one way or the other!
I did address this, back in a comment on Nov. 8, on your "One if by Land, Two if by Sea" post.
Should I repeat myself? He's provided copies of his birth certificate verified by independent groups and only doubted by people with questionable agendas and his birth announcement was in the Hawaiian newspapers.
Should I elaborate? Snopes.com among others maintains the birth certificate is authentic, his birth announcement was in August,1961 editions of the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin, and Philip Berg also doesn't believe al-Qaida was behind 9/11 and has tried to sue the government into "admitting" as much.
Or should I ask? If Berg didn't have standing to bring the birth certificate conspiracy theory suit to court in Pennsylvania - and it was ruled he didn't - how will Alan Keyes have standing in California under the Ninth Circuit? And to what extent SHOULD we have the legal right to allege someone's foreign-born and force them to legally prove otherwise? Do Keyes and Berg even care about the implications of setting this precedent? When have we required a candidate prove citizenship - as you charge we've done, and how is that statute being circumvented? And, where was John McCain born?
Or should I answer?. He won't - it's just grandstanding, we shouldn't, they don't, most likely never and hence there's no legal expectation for Obama to do differently, and Panama.
"Risk his reputation and career?" Huh? Alan Keyes? He's lost each of the five races he's been in. In two of them he only garnered 1 percent. Barack Obama kept him under 30 percent. He ran for the presidential nomination of a party that doesn't believe women should be guaranteed the right to vote and lost. He's best known to most voters as a character from "Borat." He's never held a job that requires ANY type of binding decision, not senator, congressman, governor, mayor, or military officer - he's been an ambassador to a committee of the UN the UN ignores.
Oh, I missed the part on an early read where you addressed McCain's birthplace. My mistake.
But on a similar note, in 2000 both Bush and Cheney legally resided in Texas. Under the Constitution, electors in the electoral college are prohibited from voting solely for presidential and vice-presidential candidates from their state. None of these supposed Constitutional sticklers raised a peep over how Cheney's wealth papered it over when Texas unconstitutionally cast 32 or so electoral votes for that ticket.
Enough people seem to be concerned about it. And I just want to go back to my basic question.........WHY the block at the Kenya hospital? Seems to me he'd want to clear this up, wouldn't he?
On a practical basis, it wouldn't really matter if it WAS true. Nobody would take his election away and start riots all over this country. Honesty and integrity don't mean "jack" anymore in this country, and even if he WAS disqualified, it changes nothing. We'd still be stuck with Biden and God only knows who HE'D pick for his "number two."
And if it IS proven true........who's gonna know? I mean really........the media would keep it from EVER going public. He's their boy and they've worked to hard to make this happen.
This country is screwed for the next four years at LEAST, and every right winger knows it (verified by the huge push in gun & ammo sales.
I think there is just a desire to at least know that our new "president" is an American born citizen, one of the two basic requirements for the job. (The other, being that he is at least 35 years old)............as per our Constitution (as if that meant anything anymore).
And in the name of honesty, (as if THAT meant anything anymore).
The electoral system is a fraud, Ex-Intern. In most states, especially California..........51% of the popular votes gets you ALL of the electorals. This is in NO WAY representive of the people's choice.
Dear Mike, you probably will choose not to believe this, but I just stumbled across it.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/....
Of course he won't believe factcheck.org, Senior Lady, he'd rather believe someone - Berg - who also wants to let bin Laden off the hook for 9/11.
Obama has released a copy of his birth certificate. He doesn't need to release any more records because he probably recognizes his critics on this matter will not be satisfied. He could release his medical records and let Berg and Keyes assault the right to privacy and they'd STILL swear the records had in some way been tampered with. Because their goal is NOT to verify Obama's country of birth, it's to find some way, any way, to invalidate the election and put in a candidate who wants to erode liberties like they do.
Because Alan Keyes is no friend to the Constitution. Where was he when two New York ministers were arrested in 2004 for freely exercising their religion, as protected under the First Amendment? He was and is on the wrong side of the Constitution on that one.
Actually, Senior Lady.........I can't believe ANYTHING I've seen this year. It's beyond all reason, logic and comprehesion.
Ex-Intern, nobody would ever accuse the Dems of "tampering" with anything, any more than they'd "tamper' with the voter registration.
And as far as putting someone in there who wants to "erode liberties?" We've already DONE that....about two and a half weeks ago.
All one needs to do is to check the VOTING RECORDS of this team of clowns that are taking over in January. Their records on our rights clearly speak for themselves.
But like I said earlier, don't worry yet. The media isn't going to let anything happen to your boy.
IN FACT...........I think from this point, I'm going to make a concentrated effort to not even mention Obama again, and I'll say so in my next blog.
PS to Ex-Intern............not that it would mean anything, but there was a guy once, who lost SEVERAL elections at MANY levels........................finally in 1860, Abraham Lincoln became the 16th President of the United States.
If he'd been around today, I guess he wouldn't have much credibility either, eh?
.............and if he HADN'T been elected, you lefties might not be gloating today about your fashion statement victory,,,,,,,,,,,,
I read this with much interest and am wondering if a birth certificate needs to be shown if the mother is a known US Citizen?
Probably not..........unless you're a native American, we ALL came from foreign ancestry. But I think we SHOULD adhere to our Constitution (heaven forbid we follow THAT in this day and age), and insure that anyone wanting to be the President HERE, should be BORN HERE!
I'd actually expound on that a bit further and say that anyone running for GOVERNOR of a state, should be born in that state as well............and yes, that would include Sarah Palin, who as many know, I admire a LOT. (I don't play any favorites, as some folks think i do).
HEY...........who ARE you. khesanhvet68? I was there MYSELF in '68 on Hill 861. There can't be TWO of us running around here, can there?......unless you aren't from Mountain Home.
Lincoln won six elections and lost four, if you include his name being entered on the Republican convention floor for a vice-presidential nomination and not getting speaker of the Illinois state assembly. Two losses if you're just looking at terms in the legislature. He spent ten years as a state or federal legislator.
And when I rattle off information like that, it's not because I "know everything" it's because I'm not afraid to look it up.
Keyes has no wins in five attempts, twice running for president and getting about one percent. No experience in a legislature or in an executive role - he's never been a governor or mayor either, or run a company. He was never in the military. I'm not saying a candidate needs to have all the above experiences, but to have none of them? Keyes was a diplomat serving on a minor committee at the UN for a few years and has been little more than a perpetual candidate ever since.
And I've outlined any number of times why I voted for Obama. It was not a "fashion statement." I hope he successfully withdraws the U.S. from Iraq while minimizing U.S. casualties, reduces the tax burden on the middle class by shifting it elsewhere - preferably onto unearned income, resists pressure to devalue American labor with unrestricted trade deals, and closes the regulatory loopholes that allowed banking and finance to reclassify transactions to escape oversight.
Even if he fails to do any of that I won't assume McCain would've done a better job. McCain didn't share any of those goals with me. Though I'll also note I don't believe Al Gore would've been better than Bush. I think Gore would've been as much as a disaster had he been in charge the past eight years.